Two Hot Takes - 31: Siblings.. You Can't Pick Em'

Episode Date: September 2, 2021

Two Hot Takes host, Morgan, is joined by guest co-host Matt (older brother) and Justin! Morgan had to take advantage of visiting family in Minnesota, and so this special episode was filmed with her ol...der brother Matt. They dive in on some odd stories relating to siblings... and they go a little off the deep end.  BONUS CONTENT: https://www.patreon.com/TwoHotTakes Full length Video episodes available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoHotTakes

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Starting point is 00:01:02 Are you ready? No, I'm not. I was born ready. No? You got this. We're not going to air all of our sibling drama on my podcast. Maybe a little. Not today? Not today.
Starting point is 00:01:15 I'm a little nervous. Don't judge me, people, after this episode. Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Hot Takes. I'm your host, Morgan. I'm Justin. I'm Matt. Today, we are joined by my brother, Matt. We've had an interesting sibling relationship, to say the least.
Starting point is 00:01:34 You hated me initially. I stole your thunder. Maybe. Maybe that could be true. I'm just speaking facts. We have quite the age gap. Matt's eight years older than me. So, Matt was a first born. I'm technically a middle, but a little first born-y.
Starting point is 00:01:53 So, we had some drama. No. No, it was a nightmare. Beyond drama. You only called me fat once. That's pretty good. I never said that. Yes, you did.
Starting point is 00:02:07 It haunts me. Here we go. It was at the duplex. I was standing right by the couch. And this is why I'm in the middle. Justin's got to break us up. That's right. We need someone to separate us.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Matt and I have always had a great relationship. From the moment we met, he was a bigger champion to me than you were. Facts. Not true. He just told me not to mess it up. Which I haven't so far. So, we're good. I didn't use those words.
Starting point is 00:02:32 I said, don't fuck it up. Yep. There we go. Our relationship is great today. Yeah. I mean, once you turned 18, the bars definitely helped. Alcohol, you know, just kind of... Smooth the rift.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Yeah. Mended those rifts. Yeah. So, today's episode, we're diving into sibling stories. And you guys might be wondering why Justin's here. But as an only child, he might be able to lend another perspective that we need. Let's get it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Let's dive in. Alright, let's go. So, I'm not sure how much I want to traumatize you right off the bat. Alright. A lot. Scale of 1 to 10, how bad do you want it? I can take it. 20.
Starting point is 00:03:35 20. Okay, well, here we go. Am I the asshole for walking out of my sister's birthday gathering after she announced her engagement? Me and my sister lost our mom since we were kids. And my dad married a single mom who had a son two years older than me. Our stepbrother was nasty, selfish and used to take my things and ruin them under the guise of borrowing.
Starting point is 00:04:02 He bullied me, especially because of how weak and thin I was. I was dealing with health problems. Still am. He even got to my school friends and turned them against me by spreading lies and rumors. We were kids at the time, but I resented him and still do. I cut contact with him after I moved away from college. But, kept in touch with my younger sister, 21, we maintained a great sisterly bond. And because of that, I'd visit regularly since she's still living with my dad.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Normally, my sister would tell me secrets, but no longer does. And I figured it's because of distance and me being busy with college. She used to tell me about her previous boyfriends, but not anymore. When I asked, she'd say she's on break. Two weeks ago, I returned home to attend her 21st birthday party that was held at my parents' house. I saw my stepbrother there, which made me feel uncomfortable. My sister was sitting next to him the entire time and was acting strange. Not like normal step-siblings, but I didn't put much attention to it.
Starting point is 00:05:08 After she opened her gifts, she said she wanted to tell us something. She seemed very irritable and nervous. She talked about mom's death, stepmom's presence in our life, and the situations we'd gone through. Then, she asked my stepbrother to join her, and he stood next to her and held her hand. As she lifted her other hand, saying she and my stepbrother had gotten engaged. Oh my god. They're banging, for sure. It's porn hub.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Oh my god. Help stepbro, I got stuck in the washer. Underneath the bed. Oh no. I was dumbfounded, absolutely shocked. All I could hear was my stepmom and aunt yelling at them, calling them names. My sister defended herself, saying they were never siblings, and they needed to stop yelling, but stepmom didn't care. I looked and saw my dad looking stunned.
Starting point is 00:06:07 I calmly got up, took my bag, and walked out, immediately leaving them yelling at each other. Two hours later, my sister called me crying, asking where I went and why I left when she needed my support and protection from that woman. She went on about how I should have defended her against the family, but I firmly told her it was none of my business, and she needed to figure out her mess on her own. She kept crying, saying it wasn't her true sister, and she would have done a lot more if it was me. I told her I'd never think of getting together with my sister's bully, who is her stepbrother much less. Announce our engagement. I hung up, and she didn't stop guilt texting me about how I'm making this about me and not considering what she really wants.
Starting point is 00:06:56 She said I was being judgmental, just like everyone else. I haven't talked to her since then. Am I the asshole? No. No. Come on. Let's get real, people. There's a lot of people on Reddit that marry their step siblings.
Starting point is 00:07:12 A lot. I want to know what age they were when this started to transpire, but I don't know. When you grew up with somebody, and you're in a family function, a unit, I cannot wrap my brain around it. I know it's a very hot topic on the hub. It's a fantasy, for sure. Right? It's all over the place. Right.
Starting point is 00:07:40 I just can't get there. Not in real life. This might be a good way to transition, but I have another story that's really going to go down to rabbit hole, but we'll stick to this one for now. Yeah, I mean, I had a step-brother and similar age gap. He was two or three years older than me, and it was never a question of my mind. I have a crush on him. Never in reality.
Starting point is 00:08:07 But why is it everywhere? TikTok even makes fun of it all the time. It's such a fantasy, I think, for so many. I don't know. I don't know. You know, if somebody's attraction is attraction, like, Morgan, you're a good-looking girl, but I'm not attracted to you, right? You can objectively say, yeah, you're not ugly. People are going to find that person attractive, right?
Starting point is 00:08:33 But if, I don't know, somewhere along the lines when you get screwed up, and you think that person's attractive, like, you're in that setting, right? And it's, well, gosh, we're not actually related. Like, what if? And then you start playing what if fantasies down your head. Like, what role are you going to go down in like? A sick one. But then it's like, if that does happen to you, you keep that shit a secret.
Starting point is 00:09:01 To raise your hand up at a family thing and be like, we're engaged. Well, on her birthday, like, she's only 21. How do you get the other person to be like, you're right. This is a good idea. We should do this. Well, she's 21. He's two years older than her. This is like a lot of math because OP never says their age.
Starting point is 00:09:22 So sister's 21. OP doesn't say their age, but she's the older sister. So at least 22, maybe 23. Step bro, two years older than that. So 24, 25, 26, we don't know. 21, 26, maybe five year age gap. When did this start? How old was she?
Starting point is 00:09:44 So he was grooming her. Potentially. There's the potential. But she did used to talk about her boyfriends and then stopped. So there were other dudes. True. And then she flipped. She flipped.
Starting point is 00:09:59 But okay, I see that happened. Maybe she got stuck in the washer. It's a real thing. So if I had seen that at some family thing and this happens, I would at first, I would think it was a joke, right? When we all think it's a joke. And then when you realize it's not, I would 100% leave. That's why she left.
Starting point is 00:10:22 I would 100. That's what I'm saying. I would be out, gone. Yeah. I think the step mom flipping out and I think that's very rational. But you guys, I've seen another Reddit story very, very similar. Step brother came in. They got, like one of the sisters got married and OP at that,
Starting point is 00:10:41 on that post was writing in and she's like, is this normal? And Reddit was like, you need to leave them alone. You need to let them love. Like they didn't grow up being raised as true siblings. They met later. And it's like, but, but, but like they kind of are siblings. Yeah. Like they only met because their parents got married.
Starting point is 00:11:03 This is not gossip girl where they did it first, but their parents had a, you know what I mean? Like, But does that change it? I don't know. I don't know. Like I feel like step sibling, step sibling. Unless it's like that one story where the couple were dating and then the parents
Starting point is 00:11:19 went behind their back and got married first. Oh my God. Yes. Yeah. All right. I'm going to play devil's advocate. Let's go. Like I think if you, as an adult, right?
Starting point is 00:11:31 Like if our mom, like let's say the only person that's going to go out, mom goes out and finds a guy, somebody and that person has kids. And let's say we were single and they're of our age group and we're all partying and they're attractive. Like you make out accidentally. You're at the, I don't know. You're just at the age where like you're no longer connecting the siblingness that the relationship there is, is different.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Yeah. You met because your parents met. Yeah. But at what, at some age, like that's got to change the dynamic a lot. I think if it's after 18. Yeah. But I think if you grow up under the same house, that's kind of goofy. It just feels so messy.
Starting point is 00:12:20 It feels like when your friend is dated someone and they're kind of off limits going forward. Yeah. No, I agree with that. Like that's not a family thing or whatever. This feels like it kind of has that same boundary where it's just like, yo, there's so many people. This story is, there's a family thing there. They were raised together. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:38 True. He's your bully. Okay. So he was making fun of you and calling you fat or whatever it may have been. Like it's a real thing at that point. Yeah. No, this is, this is crazy. And like there are some, you know, cultures and people that, you know, they marry their
Starting point is 00:12:58 first cousins and have arranged marriages and things like that. But like, obviously this does not like fit that category. Like they are just random siblings that came together and when wanted to get married. So neat. So a nice transition. These siblings are twins and not step siblings. Wonderful. Find the shit.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Read it baby. Me, 25 female and my brother, 25 male. He abandoned our family years ago and I just found out it's because of unnatural feelings for me. Heartbroken, disgusted, lost. That's better than the last one I guess. No, it's not. I mean, he like got himself out of the situation at least.
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Starting point is 00:14:19 Find more balance with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com today to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHELP.com. My twin brother and I have been best friends since birth. We've been inseparable and even went to the same school. Had a great time. We had very happy and healthy childhoods. Parents who adored us and our entire childhood was a big blanket of love and fun and comfort
Starting point is 00:14:44 and learning. I can't ask for anything more. As much as we are equals, he was protective, supportive, encouraging. In high school, there was a chance that I might have had a serious kidney problem. And the first thing he asked our parents in tears was if he could donate a kidney to me and if that would help. That day, I remember feeling that this dude would be there for me no matter what I went through in my life.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Right after college, instead of going to medical school two hours from our parents' house like he had planned, he dropped everything and moved overseas. He became successful there, met a girl, got married, and had a kid. We used to talk almost every day, but he left and basically just dropped our relationship. He kept saying he's busy and that the time zone is off, but everything was bullshit. Our parents cried missing him. Not because he was gone, but because he was emotionally unavailable to them. They got the occasional texts or call.
Starting point is 00:15:37 I barely get anything. Maybe some random texts every month or so. I've spent the last few years getting over the fact that my brother basically cut me out of his life by ignoring me. He wasn't mean or anything. It's almost like he ghosted me without ghosting me. I finally got so fed up this week that I texted him a long message absolutely chewing him out for being such an asshole.
Starting point is 00:16:01 I dug in, called him the worst brother in the world and the shittiest son and that there's no reason for him to abandon us emotionally. That if he wanted to move overseas and start a life and a family, I would have been truly happy for him and that I am happy for him. But what reason could there possibly be to create that kind of distance he did? He dodged my questions and basically said, there's no reason until I started saying he's a liar and everything he's saying is bullshit. He turned on his disappearing messages and goes, quote, look, you're my best friend
Starting point is 00:16:34 and you didn't do anything wrong and mom and dad did nothing wrong. You want the story? Here's the story. I realized in college that I was in love with you. I loved you in a way no brother should love his sister. I went to therapy. It did nothing. So I left.
Starting point is 00:16:49 I was never, ever going to get over you if I stayed there. If I shared this with you while I was there, it would have destroyed our relationship. So I left. I left and I started a family with a great girl and I'm happy and I hope every day that you're happy. Every few months I ask myself if I'm ready to see you again or come home and the answer is still no. I need to work on my shit and go to therapy.
Starting point is 00:17:12 I'm sick. This is me being sick in my brain and in my heart. It is not your responsibility to fix it. It's not anything you did. You are still my sister and I love our family, but I need to get better first before I come home. I know I will get there and I'm just so sorry. I don't want to talk about this anymore.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Now you know and I hope you understand that I left for me, for you, for mom and dad and to allow us to have normal lives. I have a problem and I will get better. Miss you guys more than you know. I'm trusting you not to share this. I'm absolutely disgusted, heartbroken, angry. I know I need to go to therapy myself and I don't know what to do or how to even start dealing with this.
Starting point is 00:17:53 He was such a central part of my life and my identity and so much of my happiness is based in my happy childhood and this fucks it up so much. I don't understand what to do. Wow. That's a heavy. I put a heavy one down. Yeah. That's a little bit to take in.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah. Just let it resonate a little bit. I mean, good on his part, like to move himself out of the situation. Upward his whole entire life. His whole life. Yeah. And there's, I guess there's no real way to prevent feelings in a situation, but yes, it's not right.
Starting point is 00:18:36 I guess it's not the conventional way to meet someone and he even says that he's sick. I mean, he went to therapy, did, I feel like he took all the steps he needed to. Yeah. And it's hard because I feel like any of us would leave and kind of ghost, but instead of facing the fact that you kind of have to tell them, but that's also going to wreck it at the same time. So what's like the lesser of two evils, which one is it? Right.
Starting point is 00:19:04 It's interesting to me because like you hear about twin bonds and like how twins just have this like unrivaled bond. Like they shared a womb, they come out feeding off each other and just like so bonded. And for me, I'm like, maybe that plays a part into it. I'm also like, I just like want to get more in his head because I'm like, what if what you're feeling like is, is not unnatural, but like you just are like filled with these intrusive thoughts. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:19:34 Where it's just like, maybe you're digging yourself in too deep and overthinking this a little bit, maybe because twins have more of a bond than typical siblings, maybe it's not so weird and like it could be. I was just going to say like maybe he is confusing that bond and those feelings with Yes. Like, okay, what am I supposed to be feeling like this is like beyond any friendship that I've ever had with any dude or any other person. Right?
Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah. Like, Oh, is this, is this love? Is this like I'm in love with you kind of deal? Like, so when you talk about twins having this like inseparable bond, like is he just confusing that and why? And then my question would be is, well, why is he confusing it? To what extent, again, what, what rabbit hole are you running your brain down? What are you thinking about?
Starting point is 00:20:28 What are you diving into? How many? Everyone has intrusive thoughts. I think, you know, we all have our varying degrees, but yeah, it's like what rabbit hole is he going with this? And also like, I guess too, where he's still now that he's married and has a child. He's still not ready though, is the thing where he has this wife who he should love if this is his partner.
Starting point is 00:20:53 But now he knows the love of loving a child like his child and he's still saying, I thought about it, but I'm not ready to see you because I still have these strong feelings. So it's like, is it that twin love or is he truly like in deep? I feel like it's more. I mean, he had the self-awareness to go to therapy and probably separate the two in his mind at least to go down like that thought experiment with a therapist, probably to say, here's probably what it's supposed to feel like. Here's what I feel like.
Starting point is 00:21:29 And then yes, to have a kid. And I'm also curious how similar the wife is to his sister. Oh my God, I want pictures of both. But it feels like he's very self-aware, he's very there with it in making these choices on really solid foundations. They're not just like, he didn't just go away. He didn't just think, oh, yep, this is, this is all the way, like he took the steps to see it was a last resort, like moving and like, I mean, he sacrificed his dreams of
Starting point is 00:22:04 going to med school nearby. Like he moved everything shifted gears completely to kind of like save them, save himself. So yeah, I mean, it wasn't a light decision. It definitely seems like it was last resort. I don't know. You can be in love with a lot of people and they don't have to reciprocate and that doesn't mean that you walk out across the blanket. But if it if it leads you to a place where it prevents you from ever loving anyone else
Starting point is 00:22:33 that kind of way, even in a wife and kid situation, you're always thinking like, I mean, that if that becomes just, I mean, be relentless almost. You're too tempting, too tempting, yeah, just like out of sight, out of mind. So this post is gone and I screenshotted it very early, but I do have a couple of the comments. I think your twin brother did the right decision to leave. It must have been hard for him. He was right about the fact that he needed to change and seek help.
Starting point is 00:23:02 I feel sorry for him, too. I hope that someday you two can reconnect like old times with no mixed feelings. I wish you both all the best. I'd like to, I don't think you necessarily need to scrap your whole childhood. Like these feelings, like just maybe ask him when they developed and then you can happily look back on it from that time. I wonder if he even can. It's so intermixed.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I just like, you just don't want to let it affect you. Why would, I guess why would it affect the childhood stages, right? I mean, unless you're thinking, well, why did he do that? But I mean, I don't know. I guess in my opinion, like those events and those things still happened at a young age, like it shouldn't detract from the type of person he is.
Starting point is 00:23:58 He obviously does care about it and he just has some fucked up feelings. It's a little intermixed there. Yeah. I don't think it has to like sell your whole childhood short. I think just appreciative for what it was like, I don't know. He came to a conclusion that his thoughts were not good, but enjoy it like for what it was at face value, I guess. Another comment, not much advice to give here.
Starting point is 00:24:25 It's just an unpleasant thing that is happening and life is suffering. There's really nothing to do but cry and see a therapist try to process. Your brother sounds like a very intelligent, self-aware person who has done everything in his power to do right by you. It's sad, but it's not something you can do anything about. I agree. Yeah, therapy. I know I feel bad for laughing at the beginning now, but it's okay.
Starting point is 00:24:49 We didn't know what we were getting into. Yeah. Okay, let's get away from the heavy. That's a good one. How are you hanging down there? We're good. Just getting warmed up. You've not traumatized me yet.
Starting point is 00:25:04 That was a softball. A softball? Yeah. Not a curveball? Okay, here we go. I'm uncomfortable with helping impregnate my 34 male sister, 34 female, and needed advice. It seems about right.
Starting point is 00:25:25 This is a little complicated, but I'll try to explain as best as possible. My 34 male twin sister, 34 female Lila has been in a wonderful relationship with her wife, 36 female Effie for about eight years. After they got married, they both very much wanted to start a family. After discussing their options, they came to a decision that a great way for them to conceive a child that's biologically both of theirs would be through IVF. Using my sperm and Effie's egg with Effie carrying the baby. I was completely okay with that and more than happy to help them out.
Starting point is 00:26:08 My own wife and I don't have or want kids personally, so there wasn't any subsidiary family drama to consider there. With Lila being my twin, it just made sense. They literally could not get any closer to a traditional pregnancy as a couple. It was a success and Lila and Effie now have a beautiful three-year-old daughter who unsurprisingly looks exactly like Lila, who's his twin. Everyone is thrilled about her. A few months ago, they decided they were ready to expand their family.
Starting point is 00:26:41 They'd wanted two kids from the beginning and they'd like the siblings to be fully biological. So Lila contacted me about donating sperm again and of course, I agreed, your face. I cannot handle your face. Oh my gosh. That is, until I found out that Effie can no longer safely carry a baby to term. Apparently, they've known about this encountering complications during the first pregnancy. So instead, my sister would be the one carrying the baby, a baby that's technically mine. I immediately told her no.
Starting point is 00:27:22 I am not comfortable with that. I understand that her DNA would not be mixing with mine in any way, but something about it still seems really off to me. I do not want to sit across from my pregnant sister at Christmas dinner knowing that I put the baby inside of her. I don't want awkward situations like their kids. Technically, a doctor would put it in, but ... Yeah, a turkey baster.
Starting point is 00:27:46 I don't want awkward situations like their kids screaming, my mommy gave birth to me, but my daddy is her brother. Anna is extremely upset saying that I'm being selfish and close-minded and juvenile, told me that I'm ruining what would be their perfect family and robbing their daughter of a full blood sibling. There's absolutely no way they can afford the compensation fees and other costs of a gestational carrier, plus they're now attached the idea of them each having carried one sibling. So the only other option would be using a different sperm donor.
Starting point is 00:28:20 In a way, I can absolutely see her side of things. I realize that I sort of am being juvenile. The only thing standing in the way of their dreams is that I just can't shake the ewy incest vibes. Even though I'm fully aware that in reality, there's nothing incestuous about this. Is it a selfish move that I can't just put my feelings aside and let them complete their family? For me, it's simply an uncomfortable thought, but for them, it's a decision that affects
Starting point is 00:28:48 their whole family and future. I need some advice, I guess. It's fucked up that he did it in the first place. He doesn't owe him anything. I don't think he owes them anything, but I look at myself in this situation and I was struggling with fertility issues. I would want my baby to be related. If my sister was willing to donate an egg, I see where they're coming from.
Starting point is 00:29:15 It is clever. I haven't heard of it before. It's very clever. The only thing that weirds me out about this is almost the eugenics type vibe I'm getting. We want siblings that are full blood related. There are other ways to have a child, sperm donor, adoption. I think they're all equally valuable, but I get she wants what she wants. I don't think he's being selfish because at this point, he already did it once.
Starting point is 00:29:53 He doesn't owe them to do it again. It's sure this is their ideal of a perfect family and whatever. That's not his problem. It's like for them then to put this over his head and just be like, I don't know, no. I agree with you that it's very weird. But does it make a difference that he agreed for the first time around? They were like hiding it from him, right? It's still, I mean, it's still her.
Starting point is 00:30:26 He was on board. Well, he was on board until he knew it was his sister. Oh, yeah. Because he didn't know right away. Only to carry it, right? Like do the bodily functions, but it's still Effie's egg, right? Yeah, it's still the sister's wife's egg because that wouldn't work otherwise. We would have a lot of genetic issues.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Yes. Twins having babies. I don't even want to know the DNA mutations. I don't know. You got to be, there's got to be a screw loose one to be like, you know what, Morgan? I'll help you and your partner out. I'm going to donate some sperm for y'all. Y'all can have my kid.
Starting point is 00:31:01 I just, it's a little out there. I don't, yeah, I mean, but like their twins, again, twin bond, you guys, it's, it's different. There's something about a twin bond listeners out there. Go to the YouTube on this one and let us know if you're a twin and about your bond because I think there is something a little different about a twin bond and like they shared a womb. They're siblings. She is a, you know, a lesbian in this relationship. So it's like, what's the closest way to have your own child with your lesbian lover?
Starting point is 00:31:35 You want your brother's sperm. Oh God. You can go out and find any dude's sperm. I'm sure there's, there's people that would donate it for you. So one of the top comments on this, I was just wondering, does your sister's wife not have any viable male family members that could be donors? Maybe this is not what they fully want, but maybe an option, which is true. Could be one of the sister's eggs and then maybe one of the wife's siblings.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Yeah. Full blooded. Technically, right? Yeah. A little different Punnett square, but still it's one way to go about it. Yeah. They could just find a really nice friend step, you know, I know you hear about all the interesting insemination tactics and like, I literally saw one story on Reddit where I was like,
Starting point is 00:32:25 my friends are a lesbian couple and they went out one night and agreed to have sex with two random strangers to try to get pregnant. Okay. It was, it was literally a story on Reddit. It was, it was like, there's something very irresponsible about that. Yeah. I think then if you're the kid, because the brother then is technically your dad without the father's responsibilities, right?
Starting point is 00:32:49 Yeah. And so you grow up, you're not going to, I mean, I don't think you're going to be shielded from the fact that that's your biological father. Yeah. Uncle or dad. And so then you're like, okay. So. Uncle dad.
Starting point is 00:33:05 I don't know. It just. It's my dunkel. That's my, that's my dunkel over there. It just seems very interesting. I get both, I get all of the sides, I get all of the points and the, the thinking behind it. But then as the kid, you're just kind of, very understanding wife.
Starting point is 00:33:29 I, for real, I'm impressed by the wife just being like, yeah, go for it. Check that semen out there. You come in that cup, baby. Ridiculous. Okay. Yes, stop. Okay. Someone replies to that comment I read and they go, this is a really good suggestion.
Starting point is 00:33:48 His sister's egg and one of Effie's relatives, sperm would make them full blood relatives. They'd be biological cousins, not siblings though. So as I said, full blood relatives. People are fighting in the comments on this one. Yeah. Yeah. One comment that I really like is from this individual and they go, your sister is not entitled to your sperm.
Starting point is 00:34:13 Thank you. It's his body. His choice. His body, his choice. That's how it should be. Everyone deserves bodily autonomy. Right. And yes, there's no legally should get whatever, but then they're going to now, she's going
Starting point is 00:34:30 to present this sad, oh, you didn't do it for us. You let us down thing and then that's going to go on forever. If he doesn't do it. So yes, he doesn't technically owe her that, but then it's just going to be like this thing going forward now too. So it sucks, but I still, I honestly, I think it's a weird, like it's weird in the beginning, but in my head, I'm like, dude, you've already done it once. You're okay with doing it once.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Your sister's not like, it's not like you're hooking up with your sister. Like it's getting implanted. Like for me, I'm honestly like, I'm kind of on board with this. I think it's weird, but they've already gone down the rabbit hole once. Like I'm okay with this. I don't know. I just have no way to possibly relate at all. So I don't even truly know how I feel, let's go, but he should be, it's his choice to do
Starting point is 00:35:32 what he wants. Obviously. It's obviously his choice. And in some part of his mind, he's perceiving that as his child, right? Like subconsciously. Yeah. I'm going to tell you right now, there's no way in hell that I would let somebody take my sperm and impregnate you.
Starting point is 00:35:56 This is fucking bananas. This is bananas. It is bananas. But he already did it once. But it was somebody, somebody else grew that human. But they can't afford a surrogate. Did whatever. No.
Starting point is 00:36:13 You know what? There's other ways. There's other ways to go about it. I'm sorry. I agree. I like you, Justin, but if you can't get the job done, I'm not stepping in. No, but that would be incest. Like a really good buddy.
Starting point is 00:36:25 There's no incest here. That would just, that, that would be incest. But this is not incest. It's not like, it has no genetic material with the sister. Morgan would be unable as well for this situation to be a thing. Isn't it a brother? And her wife's egg, but in the sister. So if you had a friend, no, I still wouldn't do it.
Starting point is 00:36:52 I get it. I get what you're saying. Like if a friend, if a friend had an egg, if I was a lesbian, no, I get it. Morgan still pushing out the kid that you are part of. Yeah. I'm a lesbian. My girlfriend's egg, your sperm, because you're my brother, because I want it to be genetically mine.
Starting point is 00:37:10 But then my wife cannot have the baby. So I carry technically our baby. Yeah. Yeah. I'm okay with this. I think he did it once. Suck it up. Your, your, your child is still technically, like it's not your child, but your sister's
Starting point is 00:37:26 kid is still genetically yours. So you did it once. Suck it up. Just don't see your sister for nine months. Solution. Problem solved. Nope. Next.
Starting point is 00:37:39 Next. Next. How does it feel over there on that island? I know. I typically like, I think people are going to resonate with me on this one. I think people are going to be like, yes, Morgan. He should suck it up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Yeah. Yeah. I, he did it once. Like he did it once. It was different. Not weird. Yeah. No.
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Starting point is 00:39:09 That's BetterHELP.com My 28 male wife, 28 female, sends pictures slash videos of our bedroom activities to her sister, 31 female. A throwaway account for obvious reasons. Me and my wife have been together for 11 years, married for four and have two children. We have the usual fight now and then, but overall, we try and maintain a healthy relationship. Her sister has been married for about 12 years with two children. She lives in a different town and we all get along fine. About a month ago, I noticed my wife taking pictures and videos now and then of us in
Starting point is 00:39:49 our private time. I didn't pay much attention to this as she says she likes looking at these pictures and videos when I travel for work, which is in IT. Yesterday, I was setting up backups for our photos, videos, etc., of our phones and PCs. When I noticed, there were duplications of the pictures and videos she took. After checking out why, I realized that the pictures and videos were shared. On WhatsApp, when sending media, the original picture and video will stay in your gallery and WhatsApp makes a copy and stores it in the images sent.
Starting point is 00:40:25 In this back, I found out these were all shared with her sister. My wife and her sister are very close and looking at the messages, it seems her sister's sex life had become very stale and she reached out to my wife for support on how to spice up their sex life. After back and forth communication, over a few days, her sister wanted to see how my wife does these sexual actions. My wife initially declined, but after a lot of begging, she relented. Her sister now uses the pictures and videos as masturbation material.
Starting point is 00:41:00 Yep, knew that. I did not expect this. This cannot go on YouTube. I have never ever been in a situation like this and have no idea what to do. Should I even bring this up or sweep it under the rug? Me and my wife do communicate pretty good, but I don't even know how to start this conversation. My wife hasn't sent anything to her sister for about two weeks and she messaged her sister to say she will not send more.
Starting point is 00:41:30 I wonder why. But her sister is still jerking it to you. Literally. Oh my God. You would be so pissed. You would flip. Yeah, yeah. That's like Matt and Amy having like home tapes and sending them to Taylor because Taylor
Starting point is 00:41:47 needs tips. And Taylor's like, oh yeah, here we go. This is my kind of content. You guys, my brother's wife is sitting behind the camera and her face is like appalled. It is, she's terrified. Let's go. What do you got? No, I won.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Holy cow. Disrespectful. So disrespectful. Like there's some, oof. That's rough. Boundaries were crossed. Boundaries were crossed. I would for sure be bringing it up with my wife.
Starting point is 00:42:18 I'd be like one million in the world. The only thing that I can come to the conclusion on is that he kind of likes that it was sent to his sister-in-law. I don't think so. He's not going to bring it up. Well, why is he considering like, oh, I could just sweep it under the rug maybe. I think he's just embarrassed. And I think he's maybe reassured by the fact that she said she won't send more.
Starting point is 00:42:40 He's probably at this point where like, she's not going to send more. So why even bring it up? Like, it's out there. She's done now. So why embarrass her and like potentially damage our relationship? But where else does that distress lead? I don't know, the damage has been done. Yeah, but I think, yeah, but it was all behind his back.
Starting point is 00:43:03 It's you. No, you need to confront it. It's going to lead to some weird family holidays and gatherings. Yeah. I wonder if the sister's husband knows, if they watch it together, well, no, the sister is, you know, just the sister, like she wasn't like, Hey, you can go watch my sister and her husband. Let's try this move.
Starting point is 00:43:30 How like embarrassed would you be? Or like insecure if you found out that your wife was watching your brother-in-law have sex and getting off to it. Oh yeah. Hey, I'm going to get off to this because you're not good in bed because I need some tips to spice it up. These are really good. So I'm going to get off and have my soft time.
Starting point is 00:43:58 She didn't want to see how, how the sister does it. She just wanted to see the sister do it because you can go find videos of probably any of the actions they were taking. You can go find it. You could find examples online of any of that. That's what I don't get. Like send some links. Why, like, why did you ever, ever agree to send the videos?
Starting point is 00:44:21 Because like, not only is your sister seeing you, one weird, but then like she's viewing your husband and seeing your husband, and I would not, like, what? This comes down to the respect aspect. Right? Like you don't have, you don't, not only do you not have respect for that person, you don't have respect for that relationship. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:46 So where can that lead? Like that's why you need to confront it. And it would suck. It would suck to have an absolutely perfect relationship. And then you find this. And then you're like, well, do I stir the, like, do I mix this all up and cause this rift when everything could be fine? But then you're also thinking, like, if you don't confront it, it could get worse with
Starting point is 00:45:10 other completely different things. Just because she's comfortable going behind your back in some certain way. It's a shitty situation. I definitely do think you need to bring it up. Just be like, hey, you know what, I was backing up our phones, I saw duplicates. I really don't appreciate you sending your sister our sex tapes. Yeah. He wasn't even going through her stuff.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Like it wasn't like he was looking through her phone. No, it was like a happy, not a happy accident, but like an accident. Bring it up. You have to. Don't sweep it under the rug. I, yeah, it's again, siblings, man. Nope. Nope.
Starting point is 00:45:48 Aren't you kind of glad you're an only child now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is nice. Yeah. Very nice. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Bring it up. It'll, it'll, it'll be okay. I don't think this is like a big detriment to their relationship unless the videos are going elsewhere. Do you have anything else to add? No, I, I mean, I don't see why it would matter if you're an only child because as a sibling, I've not one time. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:46:19 This is, it's weird. I know it's not only the sister, but I feel like the attraction's for maybe your husband. I don't know. I don't know. Mmm. That's a good point. Top comment on this one. The fuck?
Starting point is 00:46:33 Yeah. Yeah. Yep. This started weird, then got worse and worse. The title already made me go, what the fuck is this shit? And then I read the masturbation thing and my brain just straight up disconnected. I did not. I really did not read this one.
Starting point is 00:46:51 I read the title, so I'm a little scarred to be honest. Yeah, as it should be. So up next. Gotta walk the dogs, school drop off, meetings from 10 to 3, take kids to soccer practice, then there goes the extra time for a jog. That's okay. Maybe next week. Everyone else relies on you.
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Starting point is 00:47:47 Find more balance with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com today to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHELP.com. My older sister, 35, is billing me 25 for staying at her place during the pandemic. We're back to the usual sibling drama, you guys. This is good. So I recently just moved out of my sister's house. She has a five bedroom, three bath home, and one spare office that I was staying in.
Starting point is 00:48:19 It's been exactly one year since I moved in, last June during the height of COVID. I had lost my job and it was either moving in with my parents or my sister. She has kids of her own and a husband that works at NASA, so he makes like 200K a year. He's basically the breadwinner and him and I got along pretty well during my stay there. He acted like an older brother slash dad to me, which was nice. I did sense a hint of jealousy from my sister though, because when I was babysitting her kids, he would often compliment how the kids cry less when I'm around them versus their actual mother.
Starting point is 00:48:53 I think this made her feel inadequate, I don't know, but he never mentioned anything else. Well, the day I moved out, I'd finally saved up enough to get my own apartment, but no furniture yet. So my brother-in-law offered me some of the items in his spare bedroom, the one I was staying in, and said that if I needed the bed slash desk to start off with, I can have that. I was very happy to not have to spend extra money on furniture and stuff, so I said yes. My sister, I think, had a mental breakdown over this, because I heard her screaming to
Starting point is 00:49:26 him in their bedroom, quote, all caps, you gave her all the furniture in the bedroom? Do you know how expensive that set was? Even from then on, she started listing all these things that I owe her for, everything from gas, water, soap, et cetera. It's a bit ridiculous, but I really don't mind paying her in small installments over time, since I have a job now. During my stay at her house, she never once mentioned anything about finances, but all of a sudden, a flip happened.
Starting point is 00:49:58 She also demands it all upfront. I told her, I don't even have a lot of cash to buy a bed. How can I pay her back thousands of dollars? She threatened to call my parents and have them stop payments on my car. They got me a brand new car as a gift, and will require my payments to use that payment to pay her instead. So in essence, I'll be without a car, and without a car, I won't be able to commute to work.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Anyway, I'm not sure if I should bring this up to my brother-in-law. I don't know if he is even aware of the whole ordeal, because if he knew my own sister was charging me for sheltering me in times of distress, he'd look at their marriage differently. He treated me like his own sibling more than she did, and I don't know if I should talk to him about my situation first. I literally have no way to pay her all upfront. She needs to go straight to the sister. Forget about the brother-in-law.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Don't get involved. He doesn't need to be involved. You just need to call it out and be an adult about it, and be like, hey, what is actually going on? Because the way that this lady is describing it is she's already setting the undertone that, hey, maybe there's something else going on here, or my sister at least thinks there's something else going on here. So let's call it out and be an adult about it.
Starting point is 00:51:20 Yeah, I agree. I don't think you should get the husband involved. Not going to fuel the fire even more with your sister being resentful, potentially jealous. Whatever feelings she is dealing with, I feel like that's a recipe for disaster in her having more ammo. Yeah, and he's been amazing. I mean, it's not even his sibling. No, it's very, very generous.
Starting point is 00:51:42 I think the comment, though, about the kids was a little aggressive. But I can also see that as a guy, how you just make these ... I don't know. Sometimes I feel like these comments where you don't really think through the full ramifications that someone could actually see it as hurtful. And so it doesn't seem like a malicious, directed comment. It just kind of seems like an observation. Off the handle. Like, oh, this is awesome.
Starting point is 00:52:14 The kids are crying less. Like just not thought ... He's not thinking through like, oh, she's so much better than my wife. But that's how we women take it. I know, but I think that from everything I'm hearing about this guy and the story, it doesn't seem like any of that's a thought in his mind. It's just making a simple observation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:34 Or he really dislikes his wife. That too. There's that too. I'm going to lean towards your take. I feel like that would be something that I would say not even thinking about what Amy would think. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:52:51 You need to come over more because you know what? The kids, when you're around ... They're calm. They slept. They slept tonight. Oh my gosh. It's been great. Come back more. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:02 I know. I just think like, I think the sisters, dealing with some stuff, maybe her marriage is not what she wants it to be and having anyone that's a guest, like her sister was a guest. This was probably not super enjoyable for her, like having guests is hard. So I think maybe their relationship could have been struggling already and this kind of like heightened things for her, more cracks in it. And now she's like, this is like the straw that broke the camel's back for the sister. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Because it was never really a money thing. Not if he's working for an asset. They got a five bedroom house. No, I'm saying for ... Right. They got the room. Right. I think it's super petty. Yes.
Starting point is 00:53:49 Come on. She's lashing out for something. Yes. There's a reason behind all this. So yeah, like you said, Matt, be the adult and just sit her down and be like, you know what? I'm really sorry. I stepped on your toes and I've upset you in some way.
Starting point is 00:54:04 What can I do to remedy this situation? I'd like to pay you back, maybe in installments, but just sit down. Have the conversation. Get to the bottom of why she's even upset in the first place. Right. Yeah. Definitely. So top comment on this one.
Starting point is 00:54:20 This one flew really under the radar too, by the way. Like only 75 upvotes, 127 comments, like very under the radar. I think you need to leave the furniture there and pick up items at Goodwill. They did not agree to give it to you. He did. And he was completely stupid idiot for doing so. They were very nice to allow you to stay at their home for a year. Wow.
Starting point is 00:54:40 I didn't realize it was a year. It's something I could never tolerate. So express gratitude for that, but definitely don't take the furniture that they did not talk about first and which your sister wants to keep. She'll likely drop the demand for payment that he instigated by giving away furniture that he didn't even bother to pick out. So true. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:01 That was the straw that broke the camel's back. Yeah. How many guests for a year? I didn't realize it was a year. Well, it probably is nice shit. Yeah. You don't even know how much that set was. But here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:55:14 It wasn't even brought to her face. She overheard it. So the other sister at the same rate is, I don't know, being a catty bitch. Like come on, if you really have a problem with giving the furniture away, you just need to say, hey, Morgan, I'm sorry. Like he misspoke and that actually cost a lot of money, but you know what, I'll buy you $125 mattress from Walmart that comes in a mattress in a bag and it just, you know, open up and there it is.
Starting point is 00:55:51 I've literally bought in, bought in a $200 bed off Amazon and it was one of the most comfortable beds I've ever had. Like you can get nice stuff. But yeah, I think she's probably upset about the fact that her partner didn't even consult her. Yes. And it's like, did I have any say in this? You took this out from under me, which yeah, she just guessing like based off like the
Starting point is 00:56:14 fact that he's basically the breadwinner, like maybe a stay-at-home mom, maybe the one kind of running the entire house. And then to have something that you bought and you picked out specifically, spent a lot of money on, like kind of ripped out from under you without any say or consideration, like you're going to go to war for that bed set. Yeah. And it feels like this, it feels like there was this rift kind of building this entire year and this jealousy that was building and I think we just heard the highlights of
Starting point is 00:56:43 it. And I'm sure there were instances where it's like little things here and there all the way through a year where you just hit your breaking point when it's like, oh yeah, and you can take the shit. Having somebody like a roommate for that long, like in a family unit is a stress on that relationship. So there was for sure some marital issues going on. I guess my other question would be then is if this person is staying with you for a year,
Starting point is 00:57:08 like are you not having conversations with like that person, like how long is this going to be? Yeah. Are you here for three months? Are we here for six months? All right. Hey, it's nine months. Like you need to get your shit together and like figure out what you're going to do.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Yeah. I mean, she probably acquired a job, slowly built up her money because then at the end she said, I'm finally able to have enough to get my own place, but I just can't put anything in it. And so then on the husband's mind though, too, it's like, okay, well, if this is what it takes to get you out, here you go, even though they could have just purchased stuff, but it seems like another one of those thoughts in his mind that was just so like spur of the moment.
Starting point is 00:57:55 Did you think it through? Be nice. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know though. In standpoint, I think the wife is kind of in the wrong here at the end of the day. Like I was just going to say the opposite. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:58:09 I'd help you out, Morgan, if you needed a place to stay. I wouldn't charge you to come and stay in my house, especially if I had a spare bedroom. Yeah. Or a few of them. Well, and they have the space, but like I understand people also like overstaying their welcome and you want your space back with your husband and your kids and you don't want to feel like you're kind of a sister wife. Like I get that.
Starting point is 00:58:34 I don't know. The sister does comment back to the comment about just leaving it there. Oh, he does. And she goes, yes. I am thinking of just leaving it and not bothering with the hassle of moving any furniture out of their home. I agree. It was nice of her to let me stay, but like I said, it's a very big house.
Starting point is 00:58:50 And aside from the kids playing downstairs, it was quiet most of the time. My brother-in-law was in his office for 10 hours a day and my sister maybe worked five hours a day and watched the kids in between. I fed them, kept them occupied by playing with them and did a lot of the house chores in my free time. The rest of the time, I'd be in my room job searching or studying extra material on stuff. I know that after a year, I'd have to leave. So once COVID lessened, I immediately went back to work.
Starting point is 00:59:18 So while she was doing her part. Yeah. It sounds like picking up and like not being a bum like in someone else's home or like and just using them. Yeah. Like picking up the slack a little bit and grateful for having not. Exactly. Well, on to the next.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Let's go. So this one was posted pretty recently. Haven't read it. I'm going in blind, picking purely off the upvotes. Let's go. So here we go. Hi, Jan from Toyota speaking. Jan, I heard it's a good time to buy a Toyota.
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Starting point is 01:00:06 Mom said you were taking too long on the phone. Toyota, let's go places. See your participating Toyota dealer for details dealer inventory may vary. Am I the asshole for calling my fiance's sister an idiot for her rude comments about the number of siblings I have? To start, I have eight other siblings, nine of us in total. Two of my brothers are biological and the rest are foster siblings, but we're all very close.
Starting point is 01:00:33 To me, they're my real family, so I don't really introduce them as anything other than my sisters and brothers. I'm getting married in a few months and all my brothers are going to be groomsmen while sisters were asked by my fiance to be her bridesmaids. My fiance's sister, Kate, is someone we don't talk to as much, but still her parents convinced her to let Kate be a part of the wedding. Recently, our families met up for a barbecue at our place, and this is the first time her family meets mine, well, except her parents, since they couldn't make it.
Starting point is 01:01:06 I introduced my siblings to everyone. Some point when we were talking to her sister, she says, your parents seriously had nine kids? She said it with so much disgust. She seemed really mad about it. I told her yes, and Kate goes about how she thinks my parents were selfish and reckless for, quote, never figuring out how to use a condom, and, quote, don't they know how stupid they are for having so many kids when there's already overpopulation?
Starting point is 01:01:39 Part of me found it funny, but also very annoyed for thinking that something she even thought was okay to say about people she just met. So I told her they were foster parents, and only two of my brothers are biologically related, not that it's any of her business to critique other people's lives. She looked embarrassed and apologized, but then she got mad. Kate says, well, that's something I could have mentioned, so to avoid her saying the wrong thing. And I told her how about next time she just doesn't say anything at all and avoid looking
Starting point is 01:02:10 like an idiot? My fiance laughed a little, but Kate got mad. She walked off and made a comment to my fiance's other sister and cousin about what I said. They know the context, but still think I was an asshole because Kate was just bringing awareness to what she thought was something bad, and it wasn't necessary to call her names. She doesn't want to talk to me now, and while that doesn't bother me at all, I do wonder, was I an asshole for doing that? No.
Starting point is 01:02:38 No. No. No. No. She put her shoe, her foot in her mouth, whatever the saying is. So yeah, and it's like even right then though, when they're like, oh yeah, seven of them are foster. And then she got mad.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Yeah, because then she probably felt like, oh, okay, now I just made a huge fool of myself, and then you go in deeper, and you just dig yourself a bigger hole. I don't know. Probably should have been something you told me. Why? Why would that even come up? They don't even talk really. They were convinced to have her there.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Yeah. And it's the first time they've met. Who says this to someone the first time they meet them? You're supposed to be winning them over. You're supposed to be on your best behavior and nice. Karen. Karen says that. Karen, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:30 Are we sure it's not Karen? It's Kate. I cannot imagine ever having the audacity to criticize someone's family. And then be so wrong too at the same time. Yeah. I think, yeah, it's just baffling to me. And I think this is something where we can relate. Me and Matt are half siblings.
Starting point is 01:03:53 We are not full-blooded siblings, but I would never, ever introduce Matt as like, oh yeah, this is my half sibling, Matt. We actually, we're not truly related. We are, we have the same mom, but different dads, so we're not full-blood siblings. No, like we grew up together, even like kind of having different, like our family's kind of wild, but like we grew up together. We have the same mom. Like we've always been raised as siblings, and I would never consider him anything less.
Starting point is 01:04:21 And that's what this person is, is their thoughts are. Like, yes, their siblings are foster siblings, but they're not. They're family. Yes. They're siblings. So like to then like her be like, we should have told me that, like as it almost like lessens it or like discredits it. Well, kudos to these parents for taking on this many foster kids too.
Starting point is 01:04:44 For sure. Yeah. Like that's incredible. Yeah, that is. And raising them all like as a family unit. They're crazy, but good for them. Nine kids is a lot, you guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:56 Holy moly. How are you doing with two? We're doing great. Kids are great. I love them. I love them. I'm very tired though. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:06 A lot. Your kids don't really sleep. They're trying at times. Let's put it that way. We will not be having a third, let's put it that way. But they're great. And we're great. Say it a couple more times so we really know.
Starting point is 01:05:18 They're great. And we're great. Trust me. Yeah. Yeah. So, top comment on this one, and they quote like what OP said, they go, Kate was just bringing awareness to what she thought was something bad. And they go, who asked her?
Starting point is 01:05:39 Your parents don't need her permission. Also if they were biological, what are you supposed to do? Shove them all back up your mother. Get back in there, Linda. Kate says you don't deserve to be alive. I mean that is what it is. It's like you're questioning why all these people are here. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:00 And just how crazy and sensitive and just mean that is. I agree. Like the thing about it is that it could have been just a joke. Like holy cow, your parents had nine kids. Your mother's poor vagina. They need to learn how to use a condom, my lord. Right. It could have been funny.
Starting point is 01:06:23 Right. John and Kate plus eight. The Duggers? Wow. You gave the Duggers a run for their money. No, but it was. But she took it. What was in the tone she said it in?
Starting point is 01:06:32 Exactly. She meant it in all seriousness. Yeah. Right. All seriousness. And that's, yeah, that's the problem. Yeah. OP commented back to that and goes, I dash and just crying emojis, dead.
Starting point is 01:06:47 Thank you. Just laugh. And someone replies back and goes, also, weren't you also just bringing attention to something you thought was bad, judging people and disparaging them before having all the details? Why is that any different? Yep. Yep. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:05 I, I think like when people are rude like this, I think like, yeah, okay, you can have some tact and like, you don't need to stoop to their level. Like, I don't think he necessarily did. I think he was very just like, you're an idiot. Maybe you should like think before you speak. Right. I don't think like. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:28 I think we would have all responded in the same way too. It doesn't make you an asshole to reply to someone that's a super asshole in this way. Yes. You all, you could be the bigger, like the truly bigger person and be totally non-human and just be like, yeah, we had a lot of kids or the parents had us two and then the seven fosters and that's how our family is. But how hard would that be? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:54 I don't think you're an asshole for responding the way you did. No, I really like it. I appreciate it. Sometimes, sometimes you got to bite back. Yeah. Sometimes you got to just chomp at them. Yep. There's another comment that goes, as someone who is one of nine full biological sibling,
Starting point is 01:08:15 who's to say the parents didn't use forms of birth control that failed? It's not the sister-in-law's business either way. And someone comments back, I was just going to make the birth control comment. I have a friend that accidentally got pregnant her senior year of college. She was with her high school sweetheart and they plan to wed right after college anyways. But fast forward 10 years, despite their best efforts, vasectomy, tubes tied, depot, etc., etc., they managed to still have four more pregnancies. The math would leave you to believe they have five kids, but two of the pregnancies
Starting point is 01:08:50 were multiple births, one twin and the other triplets. So all in all, they have eight gorgeous, happy, healthy kids that they love immensely. None of them were planned. That's wild. That's a lot of kids. Well, even after all of those steps. Of vasectomy, tubal, tube tied, like what? How?
Starting point is 01:09:15 I just would not have sex at that point. Literally how? It'd be hand jobs, blow jobs, strictly. I mean, God, like, it's a lot of happy tears. You do, you go through all those procedures and you still have to pull out every time? Like, come on. Isn't that why you go through all that? So you don't have to worry anymore?
Starting point is 01:09:37 You can just go for it? Yeah. That's it? Yeah. That's the dream. Yeah. That's, I mean. And then you're like, oh, I'm pregnant.
Starting point is 01:09:51 Somehow. Well, it's meant to be if all that happened and you're still pregnant. Just a blessing, eight blessings. I'm just shocked that it still can happen. Yeah. Oh, and the comments after this go on and on. Yep. Got a family friend who is the eldest of five, her and then twins.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Then her dad got a vasectomy and then two years later, mom was prego again with another set of twins. Wow. They were the dads. Oh my God. This person even goes in detail. They were dads. But everybody in the brother didn't accuse her of cheating except dad.
Starting point is 01:10:28 So he gets the good guy award. Dad's sperm count, eight. Yep. Eight. Where anything under 15 million per milliliters is considered low. Anything under one million is considered infertile. Dad got mom pregnant with a count of eight. What a champ.
Starting point is 01:10:46 Wrap it up guys. If you don't want a kid, wrap it up. Just. Wow. Wow. If I'm going through the effort to get a vasectomy, I'm not. Right. I'm not wrapping it up.
Starting point is 01:11:02 I would be so paranoid though, like I'd want like regular sperm count checks, like let's make sure we're shooting blanks. I think it's like 23 times and then your pipes are, pipes are clean. We're going to have to fact check you. Where'd you figure that out? I have a few friends. I have a few friends. 23.
Starting point is 01:11:19 That's how many times they need to, you know, go before they go back in for their count. Let's see. Let's do it. Wow. You're really good. How many did you say? I said 23. It usually takes about 15 to 20 ejaculations after the operation before you flush out any
Starting point is 01:11:39 remaining sperm from each vas difference. You should use an alternative method of contraception during this time. I would just, yeah, no, just don't even risk it. People. No. Find a towel or a cup or a sock or whatever you got to do. On that note, siblings. Oh, that's it?
Starting point is 01:12:01 Yeah. Oh, we didn't even get into the sibling rivalry. I know you were trying to vicariously live through us just now, like not having a sibling. You wanted your fill of drama. I forced up siblings. Oh, you do now, but you didn't grow up with any siblings. I know. Well, I mean, my cousin, Josie, was basically my sister that I didn't have to live with.
Starting point is 01:12:23 So we had the perfect sibling relationship, basically, without, I mean, well, oh God. I knew right, you were going to talk about it. We're going to stop here. I'm okay being done now. Me and Morgan hated each other growing up. I wasn't good. We did not like each other. I liked you.
Starting point is 01:12:47 I wanted a snowboard with you at Spearmountain, but you just didn't like me. You know, the age gap when you were... Eight years. I'm 16. You're six. I'm trying to pick up chicks and you're trying to hang out and it's just like you're kind of a nuisance. Age crap.
Starting point is 01:13:03 The gap shrinks as you get older. No, I was a good wing gal. All the girls wanted to be like, oh, this is your cute little sister. It's like having a puppy. I literally was a puppy. Yeah. The puppies are a lot of work. And on that note, thanks for joining us on another episode of Too Hot Takes You Guys.
Starting point is 01:13:21 Thanks for coming on, Matt. You did pretty good. Yeah. You crushed. Thanks for having me. I'll be back. Hopefully I didn't scare you too much. No.
Starting point is 01:13:29 I'm ready for the real deal next time. These were soft. All right. Oh my God. Okay. Well, yeah. Let me know on the tube if this is too soft because I'm traumatized, but until next time, you guys.
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