Two Hot Takes - That's Not Funny.. Ft. Hannah Berner

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Two Hot Takes host, Morgan, is joined by guest co-host Hannah Berner!! She's back and here to be her funny self as we tackle these NOT funny stories. Just a random mix of people being silly in the wo...rst ways. From someone that accidentally got into a relationship with a parrot to someone who's not attracted to their husband after having a baby! Can't wait to hear your thoughts. Hannah's Content!!: https://www.instagram.com/hannahberner/?hl=en https://beacons.ai/hannahberner?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnYiNIVHgvuvHj0aDo1XBsog_NvN5_eEEYLk1C0KiXTDJrR2jRxC4c1kHkmug_aem_BSVq6MExeO0qphYt3R_VbA Partners: Disaronno: Disaronno.com to learn more!  Skims: Skims.com/tht NEW MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shop.twohottakes.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Bonus Content on Patreon including FREE stories: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/TwoHotTakes ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ MERCH HERE ! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shop.twohottakes.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Send us a letter? Our PO Box!! Two Hot Takes. 5042 Wilshire BLVD. #470. Los Angeles, CA 90036 WRITE IN TO US!!! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://reddit.app.link/twohottakes ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Full length Video episodes available on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoHotTakes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Index: 00:00 -- Start Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Before we get into this week's episode, I just want to say thank you to all of you. Rapped dropped yesterday, and it has been the most amazing year for two hot takes. Not only did we have some amazing accomplishments that you all have been sharing with me on RAPT, we also passed 100 million streams on Spotify. And I really don't even have the words still, even after sitting with this for about a month now. I don't have the words to say thank you to all of you. You really have changed my life, my family's life, some of my friend's lives, forever, for the better. And it really is just so special to have you all with us week after a week, listening to this show,
Starting point is 00:00:43 a show that started almost five years ago in my bedroom, just reading Reddit stories because of COVID. And I couldn't get a job. And I was depressed. So thank you for being here. I can't say it enough. Truly, thank you from all of us here at THT. We're ready It's time
Starting point is 00:01:02 That's my Mariah Carey Okay Mariah Okay I love that You're such a beautiful singer Thank you Did you whip that out when you were at Carnegie Hall? Y'all are so lucky
Starting point is 00:01:18 I can't sing Because I would be singing Nonstop I would walk in I'd give a little solo Opera I would be hitting jazz notes You as an opera singer, holy smokes.
Starting point is 00:01:32 I'd have to be put away. I'd have to be put away. I mean, you're Italian. Here's the thing. There's like a singing coach where they were like, everyone can sing. You just haven't had the right tools, the right training. I don't believe. I honestly, I feel like out of anyone I know, I feel like you'd pull like singing out of the bag.
Starting point is 00:01:48 You would just be like, that'd be your new party trick. You wouldn't stop. My mom is a jazz singer. And it just missed me. No, it's in your jeans. You just don't know how to harness it yet. So my theory is that I can accidentally hit a note. Like I thought I could accidentally hit the wicked note.
Starting point is 00:02:05 I literally went on the Kelly Clarkson show. Looked at Kelly Clarkson, who, by the way, like, I was going to say Hall of Fame or whatever, number one ever singer. And I was like, I think I could accidentally hit the wicked note, like, by a mistake. Like, how even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Is that even a broken clock is right twice a day? I love that one. And she kind of laughed and I was like, yeah. But if you, if I did it like all day.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Did you try it on the show? I've tried it before. Honestly, I'm a little, you know, I have a little sniffle. So I don't think I'm just like, I mean girls, I'm sick. Mean girls, I'm sick. So I can't hit it today. Normally I would. Thank you for having me.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Welcome back, Hannah Burner, you guys. On another episode of Two Hot Takes. Here we go. I'm so happy to be back. Also, look at you already. Christmas decor. Fes festive. You miss Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Immediately. Don't care. Don't care about it. Don't care about it. Thanksgiving in Canada is like the end of October or something like that. So November 1st hits. And I'm not Canadian, but like I'm embracing that. I was like, why are we talking about Canada?
Starting point is 00:03:15 But I'm embracing that mentality. Yeah. And I posted on my story and all my listeners that responded, we're like, girl, you're fine. It's November 1st until like March 31st. It's cool. And I'm like, March, I can get behind that. Let's go. I mean, honestly, the Christmas spirit is with us today.
Starting point is 00:03:32 I know. And it's all socially constructed anyway, so we can do it. It's like the most capitalistic little things. This is, I, the asshole, me coming in and hurting someone's Christmas spirit. Oh, my God, you're so cute. The garland over the fireplace. Not to get so deep a minute into the pod, but. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:03:49 As I get older, I realize it's the little things. It is. And I get so jealous of people who can get so much. much joy from from little things what's the littlest thing you get joy from um the right shade of ice coffee in the morning when you just you're like they did it they did it it's gonna hit i know this one it's like a little pumpkin cold foam cold brew just um oh oh or just like a funny text from a friend okay that gives you a little you know when the air just comes out of your nose a little and you go,
Starting point is 00:04:23 Hmm. Those are just a little thing. But I'm not, I want to be more like fandom of things and like get excited of things. So I'm working on that. I'm trying to think what I can introduce you to. I've been on like a big space kick. I'm probably the wrong person to talk about this with right now.
Starting point is 00:04:39 I feel like you like random things. I've just been like finally getting a chance to see TV again. I started a book. I started fourth wind. Really, really good. That's amazing. Fourth wing. Fourth wing.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Sorry guys. I don't know. I'm just, I'm just getting it. I just read captions on Instagram, but I will. I need to get back onto my book, my book, Whirmswag. Instagram is the only thing I'm reading. And I read, no, but I also read the close captions on all my TV shows. So I've read a lot recently.
Starting point is 00:05:08 What good TV shows do you have to share with the people? Well, I'm, I recently started watching Nashville for the first time. Hayden Penitier? Hayden Penitier. Oh, wow. Who, by the way, is cunning. and incredible and such a good little villain
Starting point is 00:05:23 who you kind of root for Did you ever see heroes with her? It's kind of a vintage show I think it's heroes. Shout out to Hayden I want her back I know I want her back
Starting point is 00:05:32 I love her I used to get told I looked like her way back in the day I was gonna say Way back Am I also Way back
Starting point is 00:05:39 This is a hot take And a little niche But I would argue That she was kind of Sabrina Carpenter Back in the day On Nashville with her Because she's so tiny
Starting point is 00:05:48 I know With her big blonde hair. And she can sing, too. She can sing. I've downloaded on my Spotify. So, yeah. Hipes. Watching Nashville.
Starting point is 00:05:57 If you or anyone wants a space show, I started for all mankind on Apple. Blown away. Apple's hit rate is high. Shrinking. Did you see Plybos come out? Pluribus? I've heard nothing but great things. I don't know what a pluribus is, but I watched the first two episodes.
Starting point is 00:06:16 It's an AI kind of. Oh, my nightmare. And I love me some apocalyptic stuff. That's like the only thing I dream about. Yeah. The world ending. And like Justin Bieber pops in every once in a while. Well, he's definitely connected to the Earth's forces. Yeah. He's running something. I could see that. Yeah. It does seem like Justin Bieber's in charge based on what I've seen over the last couple years. You would know. Yeah, you've collaborated here and there. So you would know. You would know. She follows me on TikTok and I'm like, Please come on the pud.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Haley loves a funny girl. I love that. I love that. Well, let's give you a chance to be a funny girl today. I've got some... I'll try my best. Chaotic stories. Oh, great.
Starting point is 00:07:00 I just went all across the board for you. Well, I was so excited to come here because my favorite thing is having strong opinions on things I don't know that much about. Okay. And I love to lean in. I got you. And go with my gut and help people. I got you. I got you today.
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Starting point is 00:08:40 Do you want a funny at the beginning to like prepare for the trauma? Let's butter me up with something silly. Okay. And then traumatize me. And then trauma don't find you. Okay. So this one is coming from Today I Fucked Up, titled, Today I Fucked Up by mocking my neighbor's parrot for the last couple of weeks. So I live in an apartment where the walls are thin enough that I can hear my neighbor's TV, phone calls, and unfortunately, their parrot.
Starting point is 00:09:09 This parrot, very beautiful animal, but makes me want to rip my hair out and do things I'm not proud to admit. Let's just say he has become my morning alarm clock for the last few months. Oh, no. About two weeks ago, I started mocking his sounds back. He'd squawk, I'd squawk. He'd whistle, I'd whistle back. We built up a little routine, kind of like distant, angry roommates communicating through bird calls.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Sometimes I would even initiate it, like when I was cooking. I would randomly have a Tourette-like outburst and start squawking. I know this is strange, L.O.L. Yesterday, my neighbor knocked on my door and had a really odd look on her face. Apparently, ever since I started doing my bird banter, her parrot has become obsessed with me. I guess I just wasn't in the mood for bird talk the last couple of days, and I went silent. She said that he paces and screeches when I stopped responding. She even showed me a video. It was such an awkward experience. She said he used to have a parrot friend a few years ago that died, and she thinks it wants some sort of bird companion. Anyways, she asked me to make a
Starting point is 00:10:25 couple of bird sounds as she put a treat in its cage to see if it would eat. I reluctantly agreed and felt humiliated, of course, but I went through with it, and sure enough, the little fucker started eating and playing. Long story short, I became the object of a parrot's affection and my neighbor asked if I could talk to him for a few minutes a day. Even gave preferred times if I'm home. I've unintentionally entered a long distance relationship with a bird. This is TLC. I'm dating a parrot. Oh my God. It literally is. It's kind of like when you meow back to your cat and you wonder like what am I saying in that language, because I'm just meowing. Who knows what he was, he or she was saying in the parrot language?
Starting point is 00:11:12 Oh, my God, you're probably being like, I want. What if the parrot's like, 30 things? Yeah, what if they were sexting? Polly wants a nude. Not a cracker. Polly wants a nude. Also, I love that this parrot is, um, going, starving for attention. It's doing a hunger strike.
Starting point is 00:11:31 A hunger strike for a man or a woman. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. But I haven't seen this kind of love story in a while, and I'm kind of rooting for them. I feel like this other neighbor, the neighbor needs to get another bird. Yeah, the neighbor needs to get another bird. Like, get a buddy.
Starting point is 00:11:48 I feel like if I'm already annoyed with the parrot next door, I don't want two parrots. No. Unless it means they'll just like snuggle and nap. Oh, my God. It is hard with animals. I've heard a ton of horror stories with neighbors where like we actually have, I guess these people go to work and they don't realize that during the day their dog just cries the whole day. Oh.
Starting point is 00:12:10 And like I hear it and I feel. Have you left a note yet? No. I see that a lot on Reddit. A lot of note. Like how to leave my neighbor a note. Their dog just barks incessantly the whole day. Like your dog is sobbing.
Starting point is 00:12:22 Yeah. Get a furbo. What's that? Oh. Love a furbo. What? It's like this little machine that you can talk to your animals through it. Mm.
Starting point is 00:12:32 And maybe that's what she should get for. For the bird. For the bird. Get a little furbow to talk to it. And then it gives treats and it, but it also like records what your animal's doing and stuff. It's kind of like toy story for pets. You know what they're doing when you're gone. Sounds adorable. And the fact you give treats. Yeah, like you with your horses. I wonder if they would make it for a horse. I feel like there should, I want a furbo for my boyfriend. Like, I'm married. Married. But, um, yeah, this is definitely a tough situation. I feel like that. I feel like that. I'm married. But, um, yeah, this is definitely a tough situation. I feel like also having a parrot as a pet, this, you're going to have so many
Starting point is 00:13:10 weird problems. You are. And they live so long. Like, my neighbors across the street for me, they have had their parrot for like 60, I think they said like 60 some odd years. I feel like getting a parrot has to be like a family thing. Like, it's like something your family does. I don't, or do you just one day wake up and say, let's try a parrot? Oh, I feel like definitely people inherit them for sure. Or it's like a, I don't know But they're like dinosaurs They live forever They basically are turtles too
Starting point is 00:13:39 What would you do if you were the neighbor? I'd ask to babysit here and there I don't want to be talking through the walls anymore It feels so impersonal after we have such a deep connection So I'd be like, can you just bring them over? Let's see you know Also imagine a date comes over and you're like cooking And then you just go
Starting point is 00:13:54 Baca! Sorry, I'm just talking to my friend And I'm like what? They would think you have some issues for sure I do think that there needs to be some training involved where maybe like we learn how to soften the conversation, like maybe a more of a quieter thing. Because how are the other neighbors feeling? The other neighbors probably like I have a human yelling. I have a parrot yelling. Everyone's yelling. They're losing it. They're losing it. I would lose it. I would lose it. I would not survive. I actually there's this famous thing in Burbank. It's like the Burbank parrot. Okay. And there's a lot of rumors. Like it's unclear how they ended up. being here. Some people speculate it was a pet store release. Okay. But there's like a flock of at least 150 parrots and they roam Burbank squawking. And sometimes... They're like a gang. They're literally a parrot gang. They run the streets. And if you get woken up by those,
Starting point is 00:14:47 so like I immediately knew, I'm like, just put me out of my misery. It's brutal. Oh God. They squawk and then they fight. They fight over the trees. Nope. Also, this is a thing with parrots. They're geniuses. So I'm... So smart. I don't trust animals that are smarter than me. And it freaks me out for sure. I just don't like when someone gets a pet, it means it's your pet. It shouldn't be other people's responsibility. No. I mean, giving someone time, like, here's ideal times if you could just talk to him for a few minutes a day. I mean, but it's better than the parrot starving itself. Well, why doesn't the owner talk to the parrot more? I don't know, I guess they have something special.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Something special in that voice. Have you seen that cat video where it's like this, person being like, if you want to talk to your cat, here's a noise you make. And it's like, and the cat just runs. Yeah, it goes, everyone's cats at home are going to be like, she's talking shit to me. I heard that. Are you listening to Han on a podcast again? Oh, yeah, I pause every single video being like, this is how to communicate with your cat. And there is apparently an app to say that it could like translate what your cat.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Stop. But these guys are conning me. They're conning me. You're gullible like me I'm gullible Yes I paid for pet psychics I'm gullible I really
Starting point is 00:16:07 That's what they should get A pet psychic I've had one talk with my horse And it's the coolest thing It's so cool She said because he came from Texas And when he came to California He wants barbecue
Starting point is 00:16:16 He misses the crickets He goes it's really loud here It's like She's like there's so many noises He says he feels like he's at Disneyland How does horse know What a Disneyland is? That's what I wanted to know
Starting point is 00:16:28 That was my first question I did get a pet psychic once who said my cat was really sarcastic and she thought the other cat was fat, which is so funny that my cat is body shaming the other cat. Cats are really judgy. Love how judgy she is. And then she said that one of my cat's stomach was hurting him. And then a week later, he had like kind of a stomach problem. So I was like, well, that's real. She's legit.
Starting point is 00:16:55 She's legit. I'll take her number. This was during COVID. I think I found her on Facebook. Who knows where she is now? Oh my gosh. Shout out to her. If anyone's got any good pet communicators, put them in the comments. Yeah. I wonder how parrots communicate. Are they just like, hi, what's up psychic?
Starting point is 00:17:10 I don't know. I need a pet psychic, like, to phone in. Yeah. That'll be the next episode. Top comment on this one. Bra, this is like a buddy movie where you forced yourself to be your enemy's best friend. Yeah. I feel sorry for you, but also good for you. Kind of sucks when you want to be a dick, but make friends instead. Yeah, it's funny. He started by being annoying and then, like, kneading it, needing it. Needing it. It's almost like, what is that stalking movie on Netflix, that baby reindeer? Oh my God, I never watched it. It seemed too scary for me. It's really fucking amazing, but it's kind of like how the parrots being annoying.
Starting point is 00:17:49 And then he realizes, wait, do I love the parrot? Dude, there's some crazy stuff on Netflix right now. I just watched the perfect neighbor. Oh my God. That was the most upsetting thing I've ever seen. Heartbreaking. I just, I don't love, there's so many documentaries. They should give like a warning for how disturbing and how horrible it's going to be. Yeah, we need a scale. I need a scale because some documentaries are just about sushi. And then others are about like families falling apart and I just like need to know what I'm in for. And like what level of, of murder. Yeah. Is it, yeah, I just need a little warnings. But I'm a huge documentary person.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Yeah. I've watched all of them. But that one particularly took me like three days to recover. I just watched it last night. I'm like, I'm still just reeling. Even with the Christmas spirit today, it's still. Doesn't do it up enough. I'm like, I got to go home. If you haven't watched it, what's fascinating is it's all police footage, the entire thing. All of it. All body cam footage, all doorbell camera. I'm not like, the fact that they had enough body cam footage because this lady called the cop so much is in. Insane. Insane. Mm-hmm. Okay.
Starting point is 00:19:02 This next one. It's a little goofy, but not, I don't think it's, you know, that crazy. Okay. It's coming from, Am I Overreacting, only two hours old, titled, Am I Overreacting? Wife introduced me by my first name instead of husband when meeting a new man at the bar. Wife. He's like, should we divorce? A fair?
Starting point is 00:19:28 Amity? Do I have something to worry about? My wife, her dad, and myself were at the bar, sitting at a table, having a few drinks with some people we met there. Later that night, an older but good-looking man walks up and sits at the table and introduces himself. My wife introduces herself. Then her dad as her dad, and then introduces me by my name, but never mentions I'm her husband. I didn't think of it to be a big deal at first. But then, she continues talking to him and only him for the next 15 minutes without ever mentioning me. She has never once not introduced me as her husband to anyone except for this one time. I saw this as disrespectful and I let her know and it caused a big fight. I feel if you fail to mention your partner to the opposite sex, you are leaving the door open to feel you are available. Am I overreacting? Look, mama was flirting. Mama, a hot man sat down and she said, this is for me.
Starting point is 00:20:34 I need these 15 minutes for me. It's crazy she did it with her dad there and her husband there as well. But I think she just wanted to, like, feel like she had some attention for a while. Make him a little jealous? Yeah, I don't, maybe. But I also, I don't know a lot of men that I hate to stereotype, but it's quite the observation. I feel like my husband would never even realize that. He is astute.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Astute. Astute in his observations. Yeah. I'm going to tell you right now, I would be personally a little peeved. Yeah. Like if I'm sitting there and like some hot girl walks up and like very clearly sits down next to my husband to talk to him, I'd be like, hi. And then he goes, yeah. Hi.
Starting point is 00:21:19 And that's old Hanny over there. That's the old nag. The ball and chain. Ha ha. No, but it is so weird. She's like, dad. And there's Rick. Who's Rick?
Starting point is 00:21:30 Don't even know this guy. Who? Who is Rick? Like, ma'am. These are so interesting because there's definitely levels to it. And also the fact that you ever have a moment where like maybe someone is a little jealous and they say something to you and you go, oh my God, what? Like that's not a thing. And they go, oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:49 And then you move on. But the fact that it became a huge fight means like there's some stuff underneath, there's some stuff brewing, the head of the car. Oh, they need a mechanic. So we don't really have any comments from O.P. There's literally one comment, and it's not in response to anything. Okay. And all he said was dog. DoG.
Starting point is 00:22:14 So I don't know, maybe it's an accident. I don't know. It's a little confusing there, O.P., who's a dog? You're a dog? Are you in the dog house? Was she talking to a dog? Was it a dog? Are we getting punked?
Starting point is 00:22:30 Was it a dog? I'm confused now. At first I really thought it was petty And then when you explained the details I was like I mean he's absolutely right I just not most husbands would like no Look into it like that Look into it like that
Starting point is 00:22:45 I know I'm trying to think if like I don't think Justin would care Justin is like the type When we go out to bars like guys buy him drinks not me Like it is so nice. Like he's got to do the legwork. He's got to kind of flirt a little bit.
Starting point is 00:23:00 And he gets the drinks and I just reap the rewards because I get one. Yeah. I could see my husband like if a woman comes up just quickly being like, oh yeah, this is Hannah and that's just whatever. But if it's to like they sit down and he's like talking her intensely and introduces me like that, I think that's, that is kind of weird. Also, what are you doing at a bar with your dad? and your husband and a random man. Like, what kind of weird sitcom situation is this? My life, literally.
Starting point is 00:23:32 I'm like, this was my life. Like, me, Justin, my dad kind of third wheeling, hanging out with us all the time. And then we got to, like, really watch him because he's one of those people. He gets a little wild in public. Your dad? Yeah. Wait, I'm obsessed. Oh, wait, I met him briefly.
Starting point is 00:23:46 I could, yeah. He's kind of a liability sometimes. I love that. But that keeps you on your toes. It does. It does. It probably bonds you and your husband. been a little. Yeah. It's like babysitting. It's a toddler. It's a little chaotic. But also I think it's
Starting point is 00:24:01 weird for someone to approach a man to approach a woman sitting with two men. It is interesting. I wouldn't have, I don't know. He really, he saw what he liked and he was going to get it. Yeah. I want to know how to end it. Like, how'd they end that conversation? Maybe they're in a thruple now. A sister-wife situation. I could see that. I mean, Post is still really new, so we don't have a lot of comments really top comments right now are people asking info who was the guy why did he come over did you and your father-in-law just twiddle your thumbs and stay silent next comment right so many missing pieces hard to judge without knowing what actually went down so maybe we'll get an update but moving along moving along to this next one this episode is brought to you by skims i need to be
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Starting point is 00:26:00 I'm like, is this going to be good enough for Hannah? This is coming from our very own two hot takes subreddit. It is titled, I realized my female 30, husbands, male 30, family doesn't like me. And I think it's pushing me towards divorce. Has anyone been through this? I female 30s am married to a male 30s, who unfortunately, comes from a family that doesn't like me, or at least doesn't seem to want me around.
Starting point is 00:26:29 And I'm starting to think this has been a huge factor in me considering divorce. I'd love to hear from others who have gone through something similar. Here are some examples that have really affected me. Inappropriate boundaries. My mother-in-law once asked my husband if we use protection. He shared parts of our sex life as she kept asking. He told me later since I wasn't around then. I was mortified. When I told him I felt violated, he said it's normal for him to talk about this with her, that I'm too closed off, that with family and friends, they're just like that. Passive aggressive jokes. She said foreigners like me always take things. And that an example was me because I stole her son. My husband laughed when he told me. Again, she said it when I wasn't
Starting point is 00:27:21 around. Dismissive comments about my interest. She mocked my love of books. You guessed it, when I wasn't there, calling it an obsession, even though my husband knows that's a sensitive subject for me. Instead of backing me up, he accused me of being resentful. Weird emotional competition. Before our wedding, she told me flat out, she'll always love him more than I ever could. Oh, geez. And said it seriously, not as a joke. No one at the table said anything, not even my husband. Constant emotional dumping. She regularly calls crying and venting,
Starting point is 00:28:00 even when he's overwhelmed with grief, like after his father's death. She never seeks therapy and expects him to be her emotional support system. Unhealthy family dynamics. His extended family uses his car without asking, damages it, and then laughs it off. They reject my cooking. Whenever I cook at mother-in-law's house,
Starting point is 00:28:21 Suddenly, more people show up every time, but no one eats what I cook. He says they're just picky, but even the vegetarian aunt refused to try the salad I made for her. The culture. Very recently, I've noticed no man in his family, mother-in-law's brothers and nephews, is still married. It's a very matriarchal family where the women form a tight circle and I'm left out. I often sit alone during gatherings while they whisper in the kitchen. Some of them don't even refer to me by my name. Resentment or subtle digs. I get the feeling his mom resents me, not just for taking her son, but for being different. They've started to make very xenophobic comments lately, and I'm an immigrant, so it's hard to not take it personal. Lately, all of the extended family
Starting point is 00:29:14 are shifting towards radical right discourses against people like me and yet my husband defends them constantly he says there's no bad intention and that his mom is just being herself and that I'm too sensitive he minimizes my feelings
Starting point is 00:29:34 and seems more concerned about their well-being and not upsetting them than how I feel I'm starting to feel invisible like I'm walking into a family where I'll never be truly welcomed. And even though I love my husband, I'm wondering if this is sustainable. Christmas is coming and I honestly don't want to spend another one there. I'm thinking about telling him about divorce before those dates. Has anyone else ever felt pushed out by their partner's family to this extent? Did it affect your marriage long term? Would appreciate your
Starting point is 00:30:06 honest thoughts? Wow, wow, wow. Let me begin this just by saying, I'm not a great person to give advice on this because I married a man whose parents are dead. And I did it strategically. So I didn't have to deal with this. A lot of people break up over in-laws. I mean, people, you know, you joke, but like, hey. I have a joke in my new stand-up routine. Come see me on tour. But I said my favorite thing about him is that his parents are dead. And the audience always, do they gas? A lot of them gasped. And then some of them start laughing. And I'm like, this is so funny because majority of you are like, that's not funny. But then a small percentage you're like, what's it like to live my dream?
Starting point is 00:30:47 And I always say, people say you don't marry the man. You marry the man's family. But I say, not if you time it right. Oh, no. But this is the thing. I thought she was going to be like, the mom is annoying me.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Like, I feel like we had a tiff or something. Yeah. This sounds racist. Yeah. This sounds like there's radicalization. this sounds oppressive and the fact that he's 100% supporting and gaslighting her and supporting the family i told myself hannah when you come on this podcast last time you told everyone to get a
Starting point is 00:31:26 divorce let's let's think it before reel it in a little let's reel it in but um i i'm i'm divorcing i think you divorce and then you hit everyone else with his car that's already fucked up Fuck it Take them all out I mean Because also the This she's also at the stage Where it's like when your friend says
Starting point is 00:31:48 Should I break up with him Like she's going on Reddit Asking if she should Using the D word in the beginning I was like whoa That's where we're starting When I'm starting with therapy or anything I think she's realizing that
Starting point is 00:31:58 Him at his core Is not good And how this woman is going to do everything In her power to make her life miserable I mean this family I don't I honestly like I don't know how you would ever come back from this even if they woke up one day and magically started including you how do you get past all this hurt yeah and thinking in the back of your head all the things they've done and said I also think there is a world where you do an ultimatum with your man and you say like it's them or me but at this point I feel like he's the problem too oh he's horrible He's horrible
Starting point is 00:32:37 I think he's He is like them I know I think he's bought in to the family I think there's like definitely some As O.P. put it inappropriate boundaries And a lack of boundaries
Starting point is 00:32:53 And then there's not one mention here Where he's ever gone to bat for her It's always like oh you're overreacting You're too sensitive Or at least be like sorry My mom is like Fucking out of her mind and has some insane political beliefs and I can't control her but I can try
Starting point is 00:33:12 to control us and navigate our relationship to protect you from her but also that's what that's like that's what you bare minimum need from a partner minimum also I'm gonna say it because we're all thinking of it you'll never love my son more than I love him we get it you want to fuck your son like I'm sick of these boy moms being so weird like Your job is to raise your son to be his own man, not for you to want him to suck your teat still. I know. Was that too graphic? No, I think the listeners will appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I think it was important. It is important. I mean, cut the umbilical cord, buddy. Like, I don't understand. And I think you see it on, like, TikTok where, like, I saw this one video of this mom, like making lasagna with her, like, three-year-old. And she's like, he'll always know my lasagna's better than your daughters. And it's like, where's this made-up competition?
Starting point is 00:34:08 You can't have him. There's no competition, you psychopath. This is not a-cobst disgusting. This is so gross. I just, I also wonder, like, how did he even fall into this relationship? Or was he, did he hide her from her? Did he hide his beliefs before he met her? But it seems like the wool is finally being whatever that quote is.
Starting point is 00:34:33 It's off. It's off. Yeah, what is that? The eyes. The wool being pulled. The wool's off the eyes? I'm so, I mess up every single, like, idioms. Same.
Starting point is 00:34:43 But I just say a word. I'm like, you guys know what I was talking about. What is that one? The wool has been. The wool has been. To pull the wool over someone's eyes. Over someone's eyes. Yeah, the wool has been pulled off the eyes.
Starting point is 00:34:55 I've made that up. It means to deceive or trick them to hide the truth or to gain an advantage. So he pulled the wool over eyes in the beginning. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That came out of the vault. That was a good one. Thanks. But I also feel like I can't, we cannot judge any of these people when it comes to love because it's like so easy to see what you want to see because you want to make love work. And this guy probably has so many other qualities that she was like, I want that in a husband. But then this woman is, maybe we should be grateful that she's showing her true colors and you're not learning this like 10 years later once you have a family with him. Yeah, I mean, you're female 30, female 30s, whatever it actually is. A literal child.
Starting point is 00:35:37 You're not in the grave yet. There's still time. You're a child bride. I think so. Yeah. As a 31 year old. As a New Yorker. That just got married.
Starting point is 00:35:46 Yeah, like, I honestly, I could have waited. If I would have had one more year, I would have been so happy. Like, it takes three years to plan a wedding in my world. I don't know how I did it in two. But like, getting married as a 32 year old, sounds ideal. Yeah. Sounds legit. She could have met this guy at 25.
Starting point is 00:35:59 His brain wasn't fully formed. Now it is. Let's get out of there. that. Your brain's changed, babe. Yeah. Yeah. So someone does ask, I don't even know how you get to the point of marrying someone like this. And OP responds, we were long distance during the pandemic. We visited each other, but wouldn't often see extended family. Then we got married to be together. Okay. She fucked up. Girl, this on you. This is on you. Hannah's giving you a tough love. This is on you. Tough love time. Long distance. is not real. And I don't mean it's not real, like, it's not real relationship, but as in you can't decide to marry someone based off a long distance relationship. No, it's very honeymoon phase. As someone that's did it for three years. So honeymoon phase. It's honeymoon phase constantly. Whenever you see each other, you want to hook up. You miss them. You're
Starting point is 00:36:49 yearning for them. You're making up in your head what they're like day to day. You don't know. They're a totally different person. I've had someone in a relationship. I mean, not so many, but I've definitely had the long distance where I'm obsessed. and then I finally am with them for like a year and you're like who is this guy this is not what I was expecting because I'm creative so I like to fill in the blanks with well we all do that that's like you can't imagine the potential you have a cereal addiction why do you have 40 bowls of cereal next to your bed oh my god what type of mold and research were they trying to conduct there's something going on but these are the things you cannot know
Starting point is 00:37:30 you could have never known until you were there but yeah she didn't know who this man was and now she does yeah um apparently before marriage his parents were very loving to her the only incidents i had were with his dad and my husband would defend me hence me thinking it would be like that with everyone else the only incident with my mother-in-law before marriage was her comment about loving him more than me which was at the wedding so yeah i'm like Given that, I'm like, I guess O.P also adds here after my father-in-law's death, the situations I've mentioned have dramatically increased. Yeah. So I think maybe like mom is now using son as like this emotional partner, this emotional surrogate. Yeah. And that does. I mean, that's so tough losing your husband and I can't even imagine. Yeah. And the guy losing his dad, he's definitely going through a trauma. But sometimes traumatizing times reveal like if you guys. really want to make it work. Yeah. Like I feel like traumatizing times, not to bring up documentaries,
Starting point is 00:38:36 but I watched a lot of missing children's cases. So dark. Yeah. Did you, were you trying to like hurt yourself that day? Like just stab yourself in the heart. Like those cases are as someone that covers them on a true crime podcast now. They're brutal. Brutal. But sometimes the couple becomes closer. But then sometimes it immediately disintegrated. integrates the marriage because they can't handle that stress. And sometimes they're like, you're the only person that can get me through it. So it's just so interesting how certain relationships thrive during trauma and certain ones. They're like, this isn't, you're not right for that. It pulls them apart. Yeah. No, it is really interesting, especially like with a sick
Starting point is 00:39:19 kid or like. Yeah. Yes, true. Like that also. Yeah. Because sometimes you're like this person now just reminds me of this sadness and I want to like leave this life kind of thing or be like you're the only one who understands the trauma I've gone through. Not that one's better or worse. It's different coping. But anyway, yeah, divorce him. Divorce. Especially divorce because he's refusing any type of therapy, both individuals or a couple,
Starting point is 00:39:44 like does not want to work on things. There's a couple other comments from O.P., just like... But I also wonder if she's an immigrant and maybe she, like, needed a green card. I know mention. I mean, maybe, because that one line that she gives, like, we got married to be together. Got it. Like maybe, honestly.
Starting point is 00:40:05 Maybe that's why it was a little more rushed. Honestly, like immigration right now in this country is so hard. Like DACA, I know like a lot of people that are DACA recipients. And like her whole family got their green cards. And she is like still a DACA recipient. And like constantly like can't leave the country like constantly kind of at risk and this in between limbo. Yeah, because I also don't want to put her in like a vulnerable place, divorcing this man but you're also in this like emotionally difficult place that's like another
Starting point is 00:40:35 really big thing to consider really big yeah well we do get an update we get an update I love when you do this I love when you do this you little sneaky the update came a month and a half later it is quite long okay so I think we're getting a lot of tea I haven't read it I don't know what we're getting into okay When I last posted, my husband was about to leave for his country for six months, his mother's house specifically, to heal. I thought distance might help us deal with this better and that I would wait to see him in person to address our divorce. But what happened before and after his trip made everything painfully clear. One afternoon before he left, my parents asked if we wanted to go out for lunch. He had just taken a shower, and when I asked if he wanted us to join them, he got angry. See, I knew this would happen. He insisted that if he showered, then he wouldn't get out of the house. He has many rules like that.
Starting point is 00:41:39 He said it was very rude of me to ask because it meant I wanted to go, and then he had to go. It escalated into an argument about how I was cold and selfish. I tried not to fuel any argument, and that was also a problem. He called me totally apathetic and said I didn't care anymore. He's crashing out. He's crashing out. He's creating issues now. He then made a comment that scared me.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Something about not seeing the point of living anymore. It wasn't direct, but it left me shaken. And upset because I've suggested therapy many times, and he refused it. The next morning, he ignored my text and the door when I knocked on the bathroom. When I opened it, he laughed and said, you probably thought something happened after what I said yesterday. And he laughed. That's when something in me broke.
Starting point is 00:42:30 My worry, my care had become another tool for control. Did he love me? Or was he mistaking love with control? She's smart. Her therapist is good. She's on it. She's on it. She's clocking him.
Starting point is 00:42:44 Man, we had another talk about his family before his flight. I told him I felt uncomfortable when they crossed lines and that I needed him to stand up for me. His answer was, quote, of course I'll back you up. We'll just discuss it privately after it happens. That's when I confirmed one last time he wasn't planning to defend me at all, just to avoid upsetting them. When he left, he refused to let me drive him to the airport, because it would make things harder. I stayed home, realizing the real goodbye had already happened days before. After arriving, he said his mom saw him at the airport, looking tired, and joked from your wife.
Starting point is 00:43:22 He told me that story like it was funny. It wasn't. But it summed up our marriage. During his first week in his country, we barely spoke. Then, out of nowhere, his mother, who hadn't texted me in years, unless it was something about her son, messaged me. She wrote that she hoped I was doing well, and that they were trying to move forward despite how bad things were, and that she enjoyed having me there with her son. It caught me off guard. I knew she meant it to sound kind, but it felt performative, like she was trying to keep me emotionally connected to him through her. Or, like a message saying, we're already going through a lot. so you better not make it worse.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Oh. I didn't reply. It was the first time I realized how blurred the boundaries in that family really were. That night, he complained about me being cold and rude. I said, I asked to speak to him that week,
Starting point is 00:44:12 but he said he was busy so we could speak the next day since it was the weekend. He said, no, it had to be now. I asked for him to respect me wanting to speak the next day. Then he flooded me with text and calls, saying, I respect your boundaries,
Starting point is 00:44:26 followed by, I need you, Now, pick up, I'd never do this to you. I won't sleep. The next day, when I asked for a divorce, it was a tough call. He was refusing, saying that he would change. I asked him to respect my decision, and the call ended abruptly. Then he sent me a long, emotional letter full of guilt and self-pity, saying I'd treated him like trash, that I'd controlled everything, and that I hadn't given him a chance to even change. He then went to his country to change and be better, and I disposed of him. The next day, he said he understood and respected my decision, but that he wanted therapy to change, to rebuild things. He said that he would set boundaries with his family, be positive, support me. I wanted to
Starting point is 00:45:13 believe him. For two days, I actually did. Then he told me his brother-in-law said, oh, so now we don't have to hate her anymore? After hearing we might try again. And of course, he justified it as just a joke, despite me telling him that it was not a funny thing to say, and that again, he justified it. The following day, he started blaming my parents now, saying that for our marriage to work, I should stop working and seeing them that much, stop going to their city. We don't really go that often unless I have to go to work, and that we should balance family events evenly between his and mine. His family lives on another continent. When I mentioned, then we should start making friends in the city we live in,
Starting point is 00:45:55 he said it wasn't necessary because we had each other. That's when I realized he didn't want balance. He wanted control. And with these rules, I would be even more isolated. So I asked for space, not to play games, but to stop the cycle of, we divorce, we reconcile, we fight again. We were supposed to text every morning just to let each other know we were well. One day he stopped texting. So I gave him space too. Yesterday was our anniversary. He said nothing. No good morning, no message. I didn't reach out either. I wanted to respect the silence we both seemed to need. And to be fair, I didn't see anything to celebrate. Then today, he sent a long message full of guilt, apologies, and emotional weight, and immediately after, he blocked me. And somehow, the silence
Starting point is 00:46:44 feels like closure already, because I finally understand that love isn't enough when the relationship requires you to shrink just to keep the peace. It was not just his family. I've discovered through therapy, chats with friends, and self-reflecting that there were a lot of other things going on here. By the way, someone told me after I broke the news that they always felt something weird going on. A day before our wedding, this friend saw my mother-in-law crying and she asked if all was well. My mother-in-law said, it's just that my son is in love. And when this friend looked where mother-in-law was looking, she was watching us kiss. I felt very disgusted about this. I also discovered it was his mom that picked out my engagement ring. Anyways, I may not
Starting point is 00:47:34 recover my books and things since he blocked me, but luckily I have a list of all of them and hopefully little by little I can recover them. It's better than what would have happened if I went there. In December, I'll go with one of my best friends on the trip I had planned. I'm very excited for that. It's not the amicable ending I wanted, but I for sure have peace and time to know myself again. Thank you for your kind advice and words, everyone. I'm happy for her. Same. I'm so happy for her.
Starting point is 00:48:01 Oh my gosh. Like, so good on you for getting out and realizing all of his tactics and manipulation. Well, it's the classic what he's doing to you he accuses you of saying you're trying to control me. It's like, you're, you're just saying what you're doing. He's a character of that one. He is crazy. He must have been hot. He's crazy.
Starting point is 00:48:25 He must have been hot. Tall. I don't know. People just flip a switch though sometimes. Have you ever dated someone? Like, once they feel like you get a little bit more locked in, then they, like, are a totally different person? I do feel like sometimes they, you know, people will be, like, mean to the people they, like, love the most. So it's like they get comfortable with you
Starting point is 00:48:48 And then they're like letting out all their worst sides to you And you're kind of like Oh, you weren't like this before But it's like this is how you show your love Where this come from, yeah Yeah So it's like them behind closed doors When they're alone with you is actually not as fun
Starting point is 00:49:06 As when they're like in person with their friends And showing off like putting on that show Yes, everything's so perfect I'm so funny I'm so nice But they started the show with you and then I guess the show's over and you're stuck with them. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:21 I like recently, I don't know why I'm like having this epiphany, but I thought like I'd never really dealt with like insane love bombing. But like now that I'm like in hindsight, I'm like, oh no, like people definitely can flip a switch and change. Like one of my exes, I think it was like a month into like talking. He called me drunk one night and he's like, I'm so obsessed. like I think I love you and I'm like whoa okay and he's like yeah like I asked my dad if he would still love me if I converted to Judaism and you know I'm I do anything for you and I'm like the fuck and I'm like now in hindsight I'm like oh no that was definitely some weird love bombing by religiousness and I'm like I'm not even that religious but okay
Starting point is 00:50:08 yeah I'm like but he was like super I don't know he was super Catholic so in his world that was That was love. Yeah. It's crazy. I also think with technology, it's so easy for people to effortlessly spend time on you and give attention to you and say really loving things to you, whether it's FaceTime, techs, but really it's low effort on their part, but it feels like they're obsessed with you and really like they could be doing that with a lot of people, which is like scary to think, but that's our technology nowadays. Terrifying. Well, and I think that's probably how they became so close because it was like pandemic yeah everyone was home everyone is like vulnerable vulnerable in a state of like chaos lonely and they were constantly like long distance and
Starting point is 00:50:56 like able to reach out yeah and also there is something to be said that now that I'm older um I think when you're younger you're like I'm going to find my soulmate there are so many people that you're compatible with in different ways and some people are so great for dating for three months some people are so great to live with but not to marry some people are great to date but not to live with like these are all just different compatibilities and I don't doubt that these two are compatible in some capacity but then once they got into the marriage situation because marriage as someone has been married just a couple years I know what are you well I got like a month I'm like three years in I'm a baby you're qualified I'm a literal baby but marriage is a lot of just
Starting point is 00:51:42 really dumb logistic decision making. And even that fight over the shower is such a marriage fight where if you don't like each other, you can make anything personal and turn anything to a fight. So it's two people like, I don't care how hot your sex is or how funny the other one is or how romantic you are. Are you guys making the same decisions about like where, what movie you're going to watch that night? Because that's what you deal with day to day. Yeah. I know. the day-to-day stuff and like are you showing up in your best way like I also know like I can sometimes be a hangary person like I'm truly that Snickers commercial oh yeah hey eat a Snickers like you're somebody else right now like I'm I shut down I'm I shut down I'm crabby I'm short like I get
Starting point is 00:52:26 it and like I can tell to when I just like need some alone time like I'm very introverted I need to recharge because like Justin will leave a light on and I'm just like can't you walk out of a room and just hit the switch I'm just like like just the little things but it's like you then got to look at the big picture like is he a good partner hands down like the other morning i had like a recording session early i needed coffee and he wakes up earlier than me he goes and works out and i woke up and he had sent me a text where he's like your coffee's in the fridge and i put gas into your car so you're all set and i'm like leave every light on it's fine i just saw a meme being like men used to go hunting and bring
Starting point is 00:53:09 home like a dead animal. That's his version. Him bringing a coffee, a nice latte in the fridge. Exactly. That's men nowadays, which we'll take. That's the man I want. I'm like, I don't need a deer in my garage. It's true. I'm good. It's true. And also just remembering, like, you are going to disagree about logistical things and stuff like that, but it's about choosing your battles. Like, is that what you want to snap it in for in the light? Or is it, are you going to hold it in and and snap with something else that's stupid. Because I get angry too, and my husband knows, like, I'll say something kind of snippy, and he'll be like, you hungry?
Starting point is 00:53:46 And I'm like, yeah. And then it becomes like a joke where, like, if we weren't compatible, he could be like, don't fucking say that to me. Like, why are you being such a brat? And next thing, you know, it's a huge fight. So it's literally, it's not always you. It's who you're with. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:59 We're like, you're allowed not to be perfect, but you need someone who, who, like, sees the light in all of it and doesn't take everything personally. like an attack. That is like the best way to put it because like I've really come to the conclusion like as women we're so our hormones are crazy like I feel like we're just bombs. We're just little bombs waiting to go off. We just need the right thing. And so when stuff sets us off, you need someone who's like the bomb squad. They can properly diffuse you. Also we're observant. Like there's so many things going on that men are not aware of and I'm like I'm stressed about all these things. Yeah. We have so many different things and I feel like men are very stereotype are very good at being present in the moment. Yeah. Where my husband is very good at being like, we're not catastrophizing about that right now. We're just here right now. We're here right now.
Starting point is 00:54:47 And finding someone who balances. Yeah. I'm the catastrophizer. I'm so, yes, yes. We are in the same boat. Are you doing okay? Do you need to go to the bathroom or anything? Oh, no, I'm good.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Okay. I'm great. I'm like, I might have to pee after this one, but we'll see. If you have to be, it's okay. I'm like, your drink's gone. It's like a car ride. You're good? Do we need stop?
Starting point is 00:55:07 Pull over. God. We have like five more miles. Do we need the next rest area? Do you need Chipotle? Chicken nuggets. Chipotle chicken tacos have been like my like spectrum food that I like only eat. The season on the chicken is great. The seasoning. It used to mess me up, but I feel like it's changed lately. It was so good. Yep. They're hit. They're really nailing it. Oh my God. And I don't want a carnita. Throwing a carnita. Okay. This next one is coming from AIT-A-H six days old titled Am I the Asshole? for not finding my husband attractive after childbirth. Oh.
Starting point is 00:55:42 Oh, interesting. I know, a little wrench in that one. A little hormonal maybe. Throw away since my husband is chronically on Reddit. This one is long, so TLDR at the bottom. Our little one is six weeks old, unplanned pregnancy, but throughout the whole thing my husband was supportive. We went into this knowing I didn't have any close living family to help us out,
Starting point is 00:56:04 and his are busy with their own lives. And it is That's so funny We have no help is what she said She's like and they hate me too With that being said His family is very opinionated They keep pushing for him to get a better paying job
Starting point is 00:56:22 We aren't rich But live comfortably enough to enjoy things Like going out to eat buying on Amazon And other more detailed stuff While saving for a down payment for a house Which we have We're just adding to it at this point
Starting point is 00:56:34 I was very adamant that I wanted him home using Family Medical Leave Act for at least a month. He got 12 weeks approved through his job. If he left his job, he would lose those benefits. Fast forward a little one being born. Husband was great the first week, changing diapers, interacting with him, and being supportive while I breastfed. Two weeks, and he enters a depression. His family visited and the same conversation came up. Quote, you need to make more money or you're going to make your kids struggle.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Oh. It irked me. I kept saying he's doing everything I and little one need right now, but it wasn't enough. He spent the next week finding a new job, which has required training for eight weeks, before maybe even having a position. He started that at two and a half weeks old, and it's been hell ever since. He's gone from 6 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Monday through Friday, without the promise of this new job. Once he gets home, he's doing homework and playing on his phone. While I'm taking care of a newborn, doing overnight wakeups, healing, cleaning the house, cooking dinner, and going to appointments. We've gotten into arguments. I've cried begging for help. He has tried harder, but doesn't understand, unless I point to something and say, do it now.
Starting point is 00:57:59 including picking up his own son. Even then, he throws the, I'm busy right now, excuse. He could hear the baby crying while I'm in the bathroom and doesn't even get up. Or he's on his phone over the weekend while I do everything I do during the weekday. The tipping point was over the weekend. I left the baby with him for an hour to do something for me. When I called, all you could hear is the baby screaming in the background. He has no connection to his son. And I fear he never will now that I just say, fuck it and do it myself. I've tried helping him figure out the dad role, but a lot of times he gets frustrated, which leads to him asking if our newborn is normal.
Starting point is 00:58:44 It kills me. Or he'll tell me I'm micromanaging. I can't even look at my husband anymore and see the man I love. All I see is another person to clean after and take care of. Kissing him is a chore. and I know he feels it. We've had basic conversations of me voicing that I'm doing it all. He usually counters with, if you need help, just ask.
Starting point is 00:59:08 From which I've told him, I do, but I get blown off half the time, and I'm not going to keep asking. I've told him I'm spread thin, exhausted, and emotional, but I always feel like the asshole when I think about why it's hard right now. Am I the asshole for not being attracted to him when I know he's doing this to better our lives in the long run? Not to throw you guys off, but I'm going to be positive on this one. Ooh. I know.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Okay. I know. Keep it everyone on their toes. I, well, first of all, the fact that he for that week was good means that he has potential. Potential is there. Potential is there. And it sounds like I got a little confused because I thought he had got in like 12 weeks. And then I guess his family told him to get this different job. So he's kind of obsessed right now with getting his family's approval.
Starting point is 00:59:58 which is ultimately to bring in more money for the family but he's missing he's missing the mark I feel like she isn't it's not over between them because I think if he can get in the right mindset again which is you're helping the family by being present right now and worry about the money later like money comes and goes I need you here she will then be attracted to him again I also think she's going through so much right now herself that yeah she's he's like going through a very particular time and he's not helping. But people say a lot of marriages can end when you start just seeing him as like another child who you have to take care of. That's not sexy. No. But I feel like I feel like they're in a really rough patch. But I feel
Starting point is 01:00:48 like he can get out of it. But I do whenever someone says to you, because I feel like I've said it to people like, oh yeah, just let me know if you need help means you don't want to help them. help them you do it you know it's like you just ask me i know that i hate that which is like you could have asked it's like you saw me struggling yeah like you saw me struggling yeah and you could have just as easily picked up the baby i shouldn't have to then do the mental load as well being like hey can you get the baby and then can you change their diaper or see if they need to be fed like baby's crying get your ass up it's hard because he probably feels also like he's missed out and he doesn't know the right things to do and he like freeze
Starting point is 01:01:28 is maybe not, I'm not dependent. What am I doing? Defendant? I'm like, the guy is trying his best. No, I want to believe that he can, like, change perspective. Yeah. I know, like, because it's really hard here. I don't understand why he let his family pressure him or bully him. I don't understand why this wasn't a more mutual decision between the two of them. Like, why did your family come in? And then all of a sudden, you're quitting your job. Your job that you had 12 weeks to be, with your baby and your family. And, like, FMLA, like, maybe some of that time was even paid? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Like, did you literally quit that job before you even exhausted all of that paid leave? And then this training that is unpaid, she said? It's so confusing. Some kind of training with what... He maybe has a position. Like, he has to do required training for eight weeks before maybe even having a position. So you just gambled. What if you do all this training?
Starting point is 01:02:26 Yeah. And then you don't even get the job. The decision making was messed up on this one. What are we doing? For sure. You just had a baby. The baby is six weeks old now. So like couldn't you have just gotten out of the trenches, like the postpartum, like anxiety, depression phase that like mom could be at risk for?
Starting point is 01:02:47 And like, couldn't we at least get past that? And then like, hey, you want to make more money. You want a different job. Do it. But let me get out of the trenches. I don't need to be in there fighting. by myself, buddy. Yeah, I also, I've heard that a lot of men don't feel as connected to the baby in the beginning because, you know, they weren't carrying it. So, like, I do think what he's going through
Starting point is 01:03:08 is normal, but, like, this is a critical time for him to not keep getting farther and farther away from the family. Yeah. And then maybe even making his own depression worse because he feels even more disconnected. He feels more inept or has guilt or whatever it is. Like, the good news is he's not in like some job that he's been in for 10 years and doesn't want to lose. He's in a place that he's moving and grooving. They need money, though, so it sucks that he left that job that was going to give him leave. I know. Well, and it's like, do you need more money? Yeah, I think for a lot of people, like, they're like, yeah, obviously Morgan, like, more money is always nice. Yeah. But at the same time, like, you have a savings where you have enough in your savings for a down payment
Starting point is 01:03:52 on the house. Yeah. And then some. Yeah. Take advantage of like this nice job that you've you know what you're expecting. You've got all this leave. Enjoy your newborn. Enjoy bonding with the baby, which is a lot harder for guys, typically, especially when mom is breastfeeding
Starting point is 01:04:08 because baby doesn't really want dad. Baby wants boobs. Baby's like, you don't give me anything. You've got nothing for me. And at that point, all they do is eat, sleep, and shit.
Starting point is 01:04:17 Yeah. Like, that's baby mode right now. But you can be helping mom. You can be cooking. You can be cleaning. Like, she's still healing.
Starting point is 01:04:24 So it's just like, it's frustrating that it's like, you could have had your cake and eaten it too by just waiting a couple more weeks and then go job hunt and it's not like the family is so crazy telling them to get a better job but it's more they don't know what's actually going on in your family what you need so it's like you're right it was a discussion they needed to have and so crazy i also she clearly didn't marry for money like that was never the issue like if she wanted a guy who had more money she would have good point she would have married a guy with more money. So she's like, can you just
Starting point is 01:04:57 fucking, like, wake up when the baby's crying? That's all she wants. I'm just trying to take a shit. The baby's crying. Please get the baby. But it's so true, and I feel like so many women who've had so many different guys they've dated and they're now, like, in their 30s
Starting point is 01:05:14 that I talk to, they're always just like, I want a kind good man. I just want a kind, empathetic man. Dating is so hard right now. Like, talking to all my friends that are still actively dating, like so hard. I have a friend like that just moved from L.A. to New York and like a part of that was because dating is so bad here. But I'm also like, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:05:38 I don't know. I don't know. You should have put you in Chicago somewhere in the middle. The middle. I wonder if it's because our algorithms are so different and we're consuming so much content on our phones that when we hang out with like a guy who hasn't been looking at the same stuff, you're just like, hey. What are we doing here? about what are you talking about what do you like to do my name's Morgan hi what's your favorite color I like black literally that's a first date what do you do I wouldn't honestly I wouldn't even know where to begin nowadays yeah like I just I can't like the thought of dating again yeah there's no I can't my brain I'm like I'm dying before I have to date again yeah there's there's no way oh 100%
Starting point is 01:06:22 I also feel like it's like you either meet someone someone through friends or like you just message a thousand people a day forever that's that's depressing it is that was depressing a little well it's just like either like you go full technology and you're like do a numbers game or you go like i'm gonna just walk i'm gonna walk through a library and see if a handsome man asks me if i'm lost the the fact that some people actually do still have meet cutes is like you're like a meeting their husband on a plane how i'm like i think Are they making that up for a TikTok video? How? I literally just saw a video, of course, it was TikTok, of this girl that was like,
Starting point is 01:07:02 my mom's best friend asked me to pick her up from the airport. I did. She texted me, get out of the car. I met your husband. Sure enough, standing next to her is this hot guy that she sat next to on the plane and we're now all going out to dinner together. Oh my God. I'm like, how does this happen to people? I'm hoping it's a reverse effect where like everyone is so sick of all the online stuff that people start talking to each other. However, like apparently a lot of Gen Zs, this is probably made up stat,
Starting point is 01:07:28 but like some of the guys have never been rejected to their face before. Like guys aren't asking girls to their face, which is like a very critical part of your girls. You need that social skills. You need that socialization. 100%.
Starting point is 01:07:41 Get rejected to your face. Rejection therapy is like a real thing. You need to do it. You need to do it. You need to do it. You need to. Everyone. Everyone needs to do rejection therapy. To your face.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Ask the questions. I hate making phone calls. I hate asking, like, questions. Customer service. Hate it. But you never know. There was like something the other day I like bought something off Facebook marketplace. And I was like, would you take like 500 for that instead of a thousand? She was, sure. And I'm like, say less. I'll be there. Just ask. Just ask. Instead of just getting in your own head about everything. A lot of times they'll say no. I made an offer at a thrift store. And I thought it was a reasonable offer. But she said no. And then you just walk away. It's fine. Nothing personal. You're not going to die.
Starting point is 01:08:22 I think I will, but you're not going to die. It's okay. Oh, God. I could see you being a dating coach. Oh, my God. I could like really see you being a dating coach. I love coaching in general. Like, I love being a hype woman for people. Like I have like kind of an agent brain where I'll see someone. I'll be like, you got to do this and you got to believe in you. You got to trust this. You got to go. But I feel like dating is very like just being your authentic self and the right people will find you. It's very hopeful. Is my, what I put out there for people. I appreciate that.
Starting point is 01:08:56 Back to this gal. Oh, yeah, back to the baby. Back to the baby. We've left the baby crying. Are you the asshole for not being attracted to him? I don't think so. I think it's valid. You're not attracted him right now, but no, that it's not like, it's not necessarily
Starting point is 01:09:10 permanent. I think in marriages, there can be ups and downs where, like, you know, when you're in a fight and you're like, obviously I don't want to have sex with him right now, he's pissing me off. Like, I think it's one of those where she's turned off. him, but I don't think you're not attracted to him. I still have hope for you. I think there's hope. I think you're just really, really going through it right now. You're deeply unhappy, super unsatisfied, and you don't have a partner right now. Like, that's kind of where you're at. He's making your life worse.
Starting point is 01:09:37 He's making your life a lot worse, a lot harder. So, no, I feel like I would be shocked if you were attracted to him, to be honest. I do think, especially with women nowadays, we feel similar to men, your partner needs to bring value and not to like and you tate it not saying you have to be I'm just saying if you're not bringing anything to the relationship why are you here and if you're hurting the relationship why are you here yeah so when I say value I don't mean the red pill value but rather don't make my life harder and I don't think like people realize that like I think because of what's online for men and the content and all the toxicity geared towards men it's like not like high value it's like you don't have to make a lot of
Starting point is 01:10:22 money. No. Like, it's not that alpha male stuff where it's like, you have to make over 125k a year. No, no, no, no. High value is like, do you make me feel seen? Value is effort. Understood. Yes. Communication. Protected. Yeah. And it could be in various forms. It does not have to be like financial. And you can be imperfect. You can be poor. Yeah. You can have your own issues that you're struggling with. You can have crazy in-laws. You can have crazy in-laws. It's how you show up. It's how you show up. And your old. ultimately on the same team together.
Starting point is 01:10:53 This guy, he's left the team. He's on the bench right now. Yeah. And you need him on the court. And he benched himself. He benched himself. Like, what are we doing? Not to use sports analogies on this.
Starting point is 01:11:06 No, he benched himself. We're Stephen A. Smithing this. Get in the game. Penalty box. I mean. Yeah. You got to shoot some threes. She's out here just running around.
Starting point is 01:11:17 Full court defense. I know, dude. You're reminding me of like Steph Curry and all the drama that's been on TikTok about Oh, his wife? Him and his wife. Oh, scary. Top comment on this one. Not the asshole.
Starting point is 01:11:29 You don't have a partner. You just have an employer to bang and clean up after. If that's harsh, don't get angry with me. He's the one treating you that way. Someone goes, yeah, she's basically doing shift work with a newborn and managing an emotionally checked out roommate. There's nothing sexy about having a parent your partner. No.
Starting point is 01:11:47 And also, yeah, he is tired, like 6 a.m. to 4.30s. tired when he gets home, but it's like, okay, we need to fix this because it's not working. No. I'm going to see if there's any comments from O.P., at this point. We do have a few comments. Because it's six days old now. Yeah. So someone has like a really long comment to O.P. Why is he doing this new job right now? I can understand slightly from his perspective about being tired coming home and just wanting to be on his phone. But he has a child. He should be taken care of before other things. I think he is the asshole for not helping. But I do see what has happened. family pressured him. Maybe he felt like he wasn't doing enough.
Starting point is 01:12:25 Tries to do more in the wrong way. Making more money rather than helping you is now tired because of his hours, became stuck in a habit of not helping. I think men forget what actually makes us love them. It's not the fact that they're making money. It's that they're being a part of the family and your life. Period. Hannah. That's what we said. That's what we said. We didn't even need the comments. I am the comment. Hannah is comment. Hannah is stop comment. I will comment. And OP responds, I think that is perfectly put. It's not all about money and it could have waited. He didn't jump into it without consulting me. But at that point, he was severely depressed thinking he wasn't doing enough and I told him to do what he needed. I warned him it would be hard. But in my head, I didn't see he'd be so focused on the new job that he would forget about us. I saw my husband who used to come home from work and help me. I feel like he didn't know what he needed or what he wanted. And he thought this job was going to bring him something. And she thought, well, I want my husband to be happy.
Starting point is 01:13:26 But she didn't realize that he's now just, like, put his depression and energy into something else. Yeah. Well, and I don't think it would have mattered if she would have been like, not right now. Like, if she would have said no, that could have caused even more depression, more resentment. And then it could have been her fault. So it's like it was kind of a catch-22 in this sense where. it's no one's winning yeah like they're both really losing yeah it also we're two people who haven't had kids yet yeah that we know of no one's stolen egg I'd be crazy so we don't know about
Starting point is 01:14:06 this like time but I I hear so many like celebs or like moms talk about like oh back when I did have my kid it was the hardest time so traumatizing and And a lot of women do it just kind of in silence. Like you don't even know how difficult it is. So she probably feels really alone, but I just want to say, I don't think you're alone. I feel like a lot of women are going through this. So many. I mean, I've heard of women, their husband is showing up.
Starting point is 01:14:33 And they're like, I'm not a try. He did this to me. I hate him right now. Like there's so many women that like, oh my God, he sneezed and woke the baby up. I hate his guts. Like, when you're in that new baby postpartum stage, even when you're in pregnancy, I mean, this whole, this being pregnant having kids, it's a feat. Yes.
Starting point is 01:14:52 It's Olympic medal worthy. Yeah. So I think you get a pass. Yeah. You get a pretty big pass. I always try to think to like sometimes with the household, it doesn't naturally flow and you like have to have some systems in place like a job. For example, like my husband and I are both messy. So like we've been trying to get more systems in place where it's like, okay, you are the
Starting point is 01:15:19 dishwasher person. Like I will handle the laundry. Okay. Because it's like at least try to put something down because it's not working and are like willy-nilly figure it out. That's me. Yeah. So maybe there's a method of like you do the diapers after 5 p.m. You're on diaper patrol. I'm telling you this is it because you can't randomly just like maybe there's a simpler system so that when he doesn't do it it's very clear to be like that's so smart your diaper guy that's really smart delegate like here's the clear task after 5 p.m. we're 50 50 50 on the job it's not me 100% and even saying 50 50 I don't think it's clear enough no no no I like your task like you're on diaper duty you're on bottle washing duty yeah whatever it is here's your task these you come home you do all the
Starting point is 01:16:09 dishes yep and then tonight it's you and actually I my I do a family that has newborns and they have their own systems that work for them like she'll be like he does you know Tuesdays and Wednesdays because he's later on work those days so he stays up those nights I hate to say turn it into like a military operation but
Starting point is 01:16:30 that might be what this guy needs you might need that in the early days hey I said you're in the trenches bring out the military let's bring him let's do some pushups let's go let's go yeah mic drop don't grow boss so close to the sun right now
Starting point is 01:16:44 Bradley My job is done I love my makeup names for all the guys That's Bradley It helps set the scene Giving Bradley Yeah Brad
Starting point is 01:16:52 I think that is the way to handle it I feel like this is It's hard because it's like If it's his dream job Wait a couple Wait till you're done with the FML I know Wait till the FML to be over
Starting point is 01:17:06 I do see like the draw though It's like he's got his family medical leave Job is still there So if he does hate this one and it doesn't work out there's the safety net. Yeah, and he doesn't want to, he likes being able to do the training so that he can work. But actually, I've heard this before, where men will get family medical leave. And at first they're helpful, but then they kind of take it to, like, do some other stuff,
Starting point is 01:17:30 like start some new hobbies and, like, they have all his free time. Yeah. So, like, this is a thing that I've heard. I'm not going to name names, but some men have done. Some men have done to my friend. but then they worked it out Okay Yeah
Starting point is 01:17:45 Because basically Guys are like What do you need me here I guess I'll like I'll take a class And learn something during this leave Yeah Just be still
Starting point is 01:17:55 Just be just be there Just be there Be present Sometimes I think men are very like Again my stereotyping But they're like How can I solve this problem right now Which she is telling you
Starting point is 01:18:06 What she needs you do But sometimes it's just like That you're there just in case Yeah that you're ready and you're here for the family. Yeah. People have backup pictures. You know, Dodgers is just one world series.
Starting point is 01:18:21 Like, there's backups for a reason. There's this new commercial. I forget what insurance thing is for, but it's like the professional backups come in. Like this dude can't order out a drive-thru window and the professional backup comes in and like orders everything really well. Like the parents are trying to give like a talk to a kid and they're botching it and this backup comes in. When two people fall in love And it's like The backup explains it's like
Starting point is 01:18:45 Just like just be a backup There's nothing wrong with it Yeah Yeah because you won't be the one breastfeeding But that doesn't mean you don't have a critical role Emotional support Hold my hand
Starting point is 01:18:56 Tell me I look good There's another Or start selling picks on only fans Sell some dirty socks Some footpicks Sell something If if but it's Yeah
Starting point is 01:19:08 I also you know what I also think a little meeting with the whole family could be good. I think that would be good. So we do get a couple more comments that do provide some insight. Okay. So there is a comment here.
Starting point is 01:19:24 I know why he decided to do what he did. Both of his parents died while he was relatively young and he had to work for what he has. The family in his ear are his uncle and brother. Oh. With that being said, I make double what he makes. This has
Starting point is 01:19:39 never caused fights. But when he looks at our income, he sees his. He thinks he's doing it all with his own money, and that has caused arguments when I have to remind him he's not. He has done therapy before, and I'm sure if I ask, he will again. I think the issue now is that he is so blinded by money and making more money more than ever before in fear that he can't provide for a baby that he's missing out on everything else when we will never have an issue providing together. This is a plot twist. She's like, Mama's got you, okay? Said bread winner. Sugar mama got you. So stop stressing about your pennies. I know. And if you want to provide for this family, do it emotionally. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:24 This is like just a real miscommunication of what we were talking about earlier. What is value? Yep. What is value? And clearly, she's like, I got you on the money front. I just like, I think that's something guys need to get more comfortable with as we like progress forward it's okay if you have an imbalance in breadwinner or like if your wife is making more than you and you're in that traditional relationship because I think this isn't so much an issue for gay couples or other couples like it's it's those straight couples but even even in a gay couple if one of them starts doing really well it could be great for the other one to be like oh maybe I'll I'll I'll be more at home for this
Starting point is 01:21:05 And it kind of can flip back and forth Yeah I just think like people that are in the LGBT plus community Have like those conversations easier Yes there's not so much insecurity as where you see in like Well yeah they don't feel like I'm the one that should be this Yes Because they're not heteronormative
Starting point is 01:21:20 That toxic masculinity of it where it's like I need to make more money than my what Yeah No you're fine But also like you got she married you She's good I literally just saw a TikTok this morning Of a guy being like What would you do if your wife
Starting point is 01:21:33 made over $300,000 a year. And it just shows the guy, like, throwing in laundry, like, burping the baby. Okay, I love that. And he's cleaning. And he's, like, loving it and, like, partying at home. Yeah. Which, by the way, it's very difficult to keep a home. I wouldn't know because I'm horrible at it.
Starting point is 01:21:54 So I don't know. I was there talking to my grandma who got married when she was 18. And I'm like, what would you do during the day? Clean. And she's like, you wake up. You're doing laundry. You're cleaning. You're cooking. You have three kids.
Starting point is 01:22:04 I'm not meant for that time. Holy shit, Nana. Yeah. Your grandma's so cute. She's the cutest little grandma. You guys, Nana still got it on Instagram if you want to follow her. She's very active. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:22:15 Like she just went, I think I saw you guys go to like some premiere and her fit. I'm like, damn. Nana's popping off. Nana is a fashion icon at 84. I mean, unreal. Unreal. But yeah, different times. I mean, I don't know how to keep a home either.
Starting point is 01:22:30 I will definitely need. a lot of help when I have a kid because you don't see my floor very often. Like my editor, Jenna, sitting here with us now. And I cleaned my house when we had people over for Halloween to pass out candy. And I don't know if it was Jenna or someone else, but they walked in. They're like, this is the first time I've seen your floor. Wow, this looks great here. And I'm like, you're creative. You're an expressive creator. Oh, I just, it's hard. And it's already piled back up. I'm like, what the fuck? It was cleaned for a day. Also, it is hard to tell a man, like, look, I make more than you deal with it. I think it's more of change the perspective of like long term. I'd love your
Starting point is 01:23:08 career to flourish. Now is not the training time for you to build on that. Because also there are a ton of people who don't find what they love or like find the right work situation until later in life. Yeah. You know, like he can find a job that he ends up like really ascending and and finding a community for himself and making more money in, that could happen when he turns 40. Like, this isn't set in stone. It's not. And the last comment I'll read, his employer of his old job is aware of all of this, so not at risk. Apparently, they've been family friends since childhood. This was an opportunity he has been waiting on for a while.
Starting point is 01:23:48 He just jumped into it very quickly instead of waiting for the next run of trainings in early 2026. So there is like such a perfect world here where he talks to whoever is doing the training and says, hey, I bid off a little bit more than I can chew right now with a new baby at home. Yep. I'd love to do the trainings in 2026. I will not let you down. Blah, blah, blah, blah, he kind of has an idea what trainings look like. Yeah. And then he can be present for baby. And you know what? This is why I believe in this couple because I think they're going to be okay. His heart's in the right It is. He's just, he's fucking up. And that's okay. You're allowed to make mistakes, but his heart is there. His mom's not trying to like get her deported or whatever the other mom was trying to do. Yeah. So this is good. This is really good. This is logistical problems, which we all deal with. Yeah. They just got to need to communicate. Get on the same page again. Yeah. I think all will be well. But I love that she's speaking up for what she needs. Because there's a lot of people that could be like he's going through it. I don't want to make it worse for him. I'll take it. I'll take it. on all the load instead she's like something's wrong I'm unattracted to him how do we fix this
Starting point is 01:24:59 she's on it and she went to red it and then she's here and she's here and we we solve that crime and thank god she's here because otherwise I'd be out of a job yep be out of a job thank god this next one's here too because this one this is also keeping me employed okay so this is coming from our slash relationship advice titled i 28 female comment on a post of my boyfriend, 29 male, on a Are We Dating the Same Guy, page? And he found out, what are my next steps? Wait.
Starting point is 01:25:36 Have you seen these pages? So she commented, like, she said, is anyone dating this guy? No, someone else said, are you dating this guy? And it's her boyfriend? And it's her boyfriend. And he knows that she knows. Okay. I, 28 female, recently found a post of my boyfriend, 29 male, on a local,
Starting point is 01:25:58 Are We Dating the Same Guy Page? We've been together for five years. There were several comments on there of girls stating that they texted him and went out with him, and I couldn't tell if this had happened recently or if it could have been from a long time ago. So I commented on it anonymously, asking if anyone has talked or hooked up with him recently, and a girl responded saying that she did. and asked if I did as well, and if I had any tea on him. I probably should have said I was his girlfriend, but I was so embarrassed I couldn't, and worried I wouldn't get any information, so I just said he told me not to talk or sleep with anyone else, anyone either, but that we never
Starting point is 01:26:41 hooked up. She responded back claiming he said the exact same thing to her. I then asked when they last hooked up and she never responded back. My boyfriend then comes home and is furious, slamming doors, giving me dirty looks, but won't say anything to me. I know he knows that I was the one who anonymously posted because I had suspicions that he had been cheating on me and have recently been asking him, and he denied doing so. I then go back to the post and all of her response. And all of her responses are deleted. So I know she told him. And I'm sure he told her to delete them. But he's pissed at me for it. Anyways, what are my next steps? Do I confront him about it? Or just wait and see if he says anything? Also, we rent an apartment together and are on the same lease. So that makes things even more
Starting point is 01:27:46 complicated. Well, you guys know what I'm going to say. I'm going to say, I think this is when you just blame your friend and you go, so my friend saw a photo of you. What's up? My friend saw a photo of you and this girl was saying you hooked up. My thing is like, yeah, it's awkward, but it's like, let's get to the crux of it. Yeah, what's the real issue here? And don't let the fight become, where are you being nosy? Be like, that was my friend. She sent me a screenshot. She sent it to me. What are you talking about? Sorry, my friend knows who you are and saw you. She saw you.
Starting point is 01:28:20 She's single. She's dating. Sorry she's looking out for me. This is what girls do. It's not my fault. She likes to comment on pages. Hashtag community. Hashtag community.
Starting point is 01:28:30 Hashton, if you see something, say something. In the wise words of TSA. Come on. Which you know is a very well-run organization that never has delays. Hey, they've been unpaid. They've been unpaid. They've been unpaid. Pay TSA.
Starting point is 01:28:46 Um, I hate this man. I've had a day. I can't with this man. Slamming doors, sir, grow up. Grow up. And you don't even have the balls to tell me why you're mad. Grow up. I'm fighting him. I'm mad. You slam the door in my house? Not in my house. Not in my house. No, I'll get a parrot to yell at you. Oh, I would borrow a parrot for revenge. That's actually a great idea. I also think there's the girls who like you have a sense. Your boyfriend's cheating, which a lot of girls are witches. So like that is totally valid. Yeah, we know. But this is another level. This is literally like, this is more than like where there's smoke, there's fire. Like, there's people talking about it. Yeah. I think she knows he's cheating. I think she does. I mean, it was in her gut. She went on that page for a reason. That's the thing. Like, I think if you're going to cheat, don't. Like, just break up because women are witches. They will find out. Like, oh, it's just a matter of time. It's not if it's when they find out. Yeah. Like, you're a fair partner. is going to become jealous. They'll tell them eventually.
Starting point is 01:29:49 Like, don't be done. And five years is a long time. There's no way the post. The post was definitely within that time. Five years? Oh my God. So, top comment. You break up with him.
Starting point is 01:30:01 Duh. How much time is left on your lease? O.P. responds. Oh, I am. I'm just wondering if I should even say anything about it or just let it be. A little over five months. That's a long time on the lease. Um, next one down. Leave him. Why do you need a confession from him? You already know what's going on. I guess I want some kind of closure. Yeah. Although I don't think him admitting to it will give me that anyways. Plus, he'll probably lie. So it's just my own delusions wanting him to realize he's wrong. It's definitely over between us. Yeah. How do you feel about closure? Do you find it overrated or underrated? Oh my God. Good question. I feel like closure can just be within you. That's what closure is. Like I've
Starting point is 01:30:45 definitely have situations where maybe like things weren't said, but it's like I found the closure. And I feel like also closure is where they don't affect you anymore. Yeah. That's my closure where it's like I'm not rooting against them. I'm not rooting for them. Like I actually just feel nothing for them. That's my closure. That's where I get with people.
Starting point is 01:31:05 I'm just like, I'm just neutral. Like your oatmeal to me. Yes. Take it or leave it. Yeah. Like if someone talks shit about them to me, I'm kind of like I actually don't care to pile on this. I don't care. I don't want to be involved at this point.
Starting point is 01:31:16 I genuinely like, and the way people twist things, it's like, I'm not even, I'm not even saying a word. Like, it's just like it's not worth it to even have the ability to have something twisted. That's not even true. Yeah, and you don't need a guy to tell you he cheated for you to feel over him. Like, you're over him, babe. But I do think I don't mind like a conversation, at least being like, hey, I don't, I just don't feel like safe in this. I don't feel good about myself. There's something wrong. You don't have to be accusatory and just be like, I don't, I'm not happy. That's it. And if he wants to confess, cool. And if not, it's like, sorry, it's, I love that. And also, it's like so loving yourself. Like, you're choosing to love yourself. He's not loving you the way you want to be loved. So you're basically just saying, hey, your love kind of isn't doing it for me. And I think I deserve better. They always say, like, the person you're with is a reflection of how much you love yourself. And she's loving herself. Oh, okay, guru.
Starting point is 01:32:16 You're good. Okay, Mo Robbins. Wow. Not them. You are a healed, very put-together woman over there. Okay. This is me and my dating coach era. I'm telling you.
Starting point is 01:32:30 Now I'm like fully, I'm like, okay, we have to start this dating thing. I've literally wanted to do like a THT speed dating round. Oh, my God. And then we could collaborate on it in New York, the city that needs some love. And so many singles. And then literally we'll just pop table to table. and, like, fucking, like, be awkward and weird with them. Make out!
Starting point is 01:32:48 You won't do it. Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss. I start a grind line. I see this in our future. I see this. We could easily get someone to sponsor this. Hinge. Tinder.
Starting point is 01:33:01 You want to have a fun event. Let's go. Well, we do get an update. Okay. Okay. This is coming 10 days later, and they say this. First off, I want to thank you. thank everyone for all of your helpful advice on my original post. He did admit that the girl sent him a
Starting point is 01:33:19 screenshot of the post and he was just upset because he didn't like a bunch of random people knowing his business. Wait, what? But I also found out that he brought that same girl to our apartment when I was out of town a week prior and they had sex in our bed. Never apologized for it But simply stated that if I came home when I said I was, I went to my mom's because we were in a fight and hadn't spoken in days and I decided to stay two days longer, then it wouldn't have happened. Oh, he's a monster. Oh, he's an evil man. Sorry I slept with someone else in our bed. It's because actually you didn't come home.
Starting point is 01:34:01 He is sinister. We are absolutely over. And although he had begged for me to forgive him for a couple of days, he finally got mad enough at me because I'm. wouldn't have sex with him, that he left me alone. Ew! Okay, this is horrible. Please tell me he's letting her stay in the apartment. It's too expensive for me to break the lease, but we live in a two-bedroom apartment,
Starting point is 01:34:24 so I am able to have my own space. Yeah, but I don't want him fucking knocking on your door with a half chub. Or, so I thought. I woke up yesterday at three in the morning, wondering where my dog was, as he sleeps with me. I get up and I can't find him. But my ex's door is shut, so I open it because I can hear me. my dog sniffing under the door to get out, there he is sitting on the bed with my phone in his hand going through it. After we had established that we were not together, I take it and look at
Starting point is 01:34:54 the screen time information and he spent over 30 minutes in my saved passwords. So now I am actually concerned and very weirded out and may just ask my mom for a loan to break the lease because he literally creeped in my room when I was sleeping and took my phone to go through it. And he Anyways, thank you to everyone for the comments and concerns and advice. Although I feel like I wasted many years with him, it was a growing experience and I will absolutely do better in the future. Edit, I did also get STD tested as well, just waiting to hear the results back from it. Oh, ma'am. Also, saved passwords. Is he in your Chase account, babe? I'm like, what is he doing? He's like, he's just diabolical.
Starting point is 01:35:36 Yeah. Like, you were cheating and you think you're going to go through her shit? But that is very what cheaters do, I feel like. Oh. Like they're paranoid you're cheating because they're so paranoid about getting caught. But I don't, the save password makes me very, very weirded out. Yeah, what is he? Yeah, like, is he trying to get into her bank accounts? Is he trying to get into like her emails?
Starting point is 01:36:00 It's just like private stuff. So change your passwords. Change. Which is so annoying. I'm so sorry. The admin of that is going to ruin your life. I'm like locked out of my personal TikTok right now. And it's like the worst thing.
Starting point is 01:36:09 like having a forgotten password, having to go through. Apple ID, I used to have my university password and then obviously university email expired, couldn't get it. It's a nightmare. Oh my God. Room my life for like a decade. I literally just called my old school like a couple weeks ago being like, did you guys finally shut down my email? Type B girls. And they go, you've been an alumni for 10 years.
Starting point is 01:36:32 We don't keep them forever. And I'm like, don't understand. I can't get to anything. I had to like go to the Apple store. Anyway, I digress. Yeah, this guy's insane. I don't like that he was trying to hook up with her after. I don't like that the dog was, leave my dog alone, leave my phone alone.
Starting point is 01:36:49 Why'd you take the dog? Why'd you take the dog? We need, no. He's legally blondeing her. No, it's not okay. He's trying to steal the dog. Not okay. But I hate that, yeah, I don't know what she's going to do.
Starting point is 01:37:01 But as least she knows, and she is 100% right, she learned a lot. I know. She grew, she learned. She's more interesting. She's probably funnier from dealing with all this. I know. And did she mention age? No. And she's only 28.
Starting point is 01:37:14 A baby. 28. Literal baby. Crime of your life. Crime time. Now you're getting out and you see things clearly. Now that the rain is gone. I say clearly now. Yeah. See, back to singing.
Starting point is 01:37:28 Yeah. I think we're going to find you lessons. I think you can really sing. I think you can. Oh, God. I think this is in your future. No. That's going to be you. That was good.
Starting point is 01:37:40 With your opera mom. That was me. You can do duets, a little traveling duo. I don't podcast anymore. I just go on and do operatic solos. Did you whip out any singing during your Carnegie Hall show? No. I mean, you're at.
Starting point is 01:37:53 I wasn't going to disrespect Carnegie Hall. I wasn't going to flame the place. See, I would have just like a couple little bars just to say you did it. I sang in Carnegie Hall. I can't even, I can't play the piano. Music was not my. I didn't have the bug or the talent. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:38:11 It's okay. I'm a yapper. It'll come. I sing through my words on podcasts. How poetic is that? Okay, moving on to this next one. I think I'm going to give you a choice. Okay.
Starting point is 01:38:24 Do you like a choice or do you hate a choice? I don't mind a choice. Okay. You have three choices. Which door? Choice number one. Am I overreacting about my nanny family having sex during the day.
Starting point is 01:38:39 Option two. My girlfriend told me she befriends less attractive girls on purpose. Or option three, how can my husband, 61 male, and I, 60 female, help our son, 32 male, move past his high school girlfriend. They're all, they're all winners. those are all really good um let's do the second one because i feel like we haven't done one about from a boy looks oh and and from potentially a boy's perspective yeah too okay okay so again this one is titled my girlfriend told me she befriends less attractive girls on purpose there is a Trigger warning here for ED slash self-image.
Starting point is 01:39:35 Okay. Yeah. My girlfriend was telling me about how her friend is trying to find a boyfriend so she's using dating apps. She said she's not having any look. I told her, that sucks. She said her friend might have to lose some weight to find a guy. I was like, yeah, maybe.
Starting point is 01:39:53 Then out of nowhere, she started talking about how she loves having overweight friends, how she looks better by comparison. Oh. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? She was like, we're more comfortable with each other so she can say this. We've been together a month. She went on to say that her overweight friends make her look like a model and that she will never get friends that are on the same level as her because she loves when guys come up to her
Starting point is 01:40:23 at the club and ignore her friends. She said it makes her feel powerful and desired. She said it makes her feel like a. high value woman. Oh. I was just like, all right, that's cool, I guess. I don't know. I feel like she's showing her true colors, but I feel like a lot of girls do this, so I can't
Starting point is 01:40:45 fault her. Weird. Do a lot of girls do this? This is crazy. I don't think a lot of girls do this. Well, I know girls who like having uglier boyfriends. they like being they like being the reward
Starting point is 01:41:02 you know no literally I actually know a lot of girls like this who they want to be the one that's always like wanted more and the hotter one oh my gosh and they'll joke like oh it's because I'm insecure I want an ugly guy that fawns over me
Starting point is 01:41:18 but then I say I'm insecure I want a hot guy so people think I'm cooler because I'm with a hot guy so it's like two different ways of going about it you know this is so like I'm like doing the mental gymnastics trying to figure this out like but I'm also the same with friends like I like my friends being well I actually don't think about attractiveness a lot with my friends I think it I like being with like strong powerful confident women women and if they happen to be gorgeous it's like oh my god look my gorgeous friends but I also equally love my friends who are like extremely funny or like extremely smart yeah but I just I like being with people who I feel like challenge me and people who love themselves basically. Yeah, I feel like you, like knowing your friends and the type of person you are, I feel like you just
Starting point is 01:42:08 gravitate towards good people. And I feel like the people in your life also happen to be like insanely driven or like super talented and like this and that. We definitely like motivate each other. Yeah. I like being around those kind of people. That's what you want from your friends. You want friends that lift you up and motivate you and challenge you but like aren't also. your biggest hater like if someone told me
Starting point is 01:42:31 yeah Morgan I became friends with you because you were bigger than me I'd be like that's the sole reason
Starting point is 01:42:39 you became my friend what about like I'm nice I'd be a good emergency contact I also sometimes like to get fast food
Starting point is 01:42:50 also saying you hang out with girls who are bigger than you so guys come up to you at the club
Starting point is 01:42:56 it's basically you're saying your hate you hate yourself and you want a guy to choose you because of your weight clocked you you have to hang out with people who you deem unlovable for you to be loved so you're insecure and but it's funny she's like owning it like her opening her crazy up this early relationship is funny it's give me pick me pick me i yeah i guess she's kind of like think she's smart with it like she like figured a system or something or she like wants to be like the queen bee she does she does think she's smart with it yeah otherwise you wouldn't admit it yeah she thinks it's like a strategy
Starting point is 01:43:36 that just like happens to work she thinks it's a win but that's diabolical also like i'm just like i'm so perplexed by this because like i don't know like don't you want someone to like pick you for you not because like I just I just Not because you look good against some made up thing that you've put in your head
Starting point is 01:44:00 But also You can't have good friends If your life If you're picking them based on their weight Like if you're solely picking people Based on attractiveness And that's what you pick people Because you actually get along with them
Starting point is 01:44:14 Because you like them Because you love them You want to be around them They're a good time I'm just I'm so absolutely flabbergasted by this And I've had another story recently it might have been on Patreon
Starting point is 01:44:25 I'm not I don't remember what episode but it was someone who was basically like I called out my friend or my sister because she picked only ugly bridesmaids she didn't even pick the girls that are actually her best friends the people she asked to be her bridesmaids
Starting point is 01:44:42 are people she's like loosely friends with but like she considers them ugly oh Jesus and it's like whoa whoa you're that insecure bitch you're gonna be in all white Everyone's going to be looking at you. You're the bride. Come on. It's an insecurity thing.
Starting point is 01:44:55 I also do know that some girls who are like incredibly beautiful may have trouble not to be like, oh, their life is so hard. But some people might judge them immediately and think they think they're better than them or people might not want to be friends with them because they don't feel good about themselves. Yeah. But maybe I'm like talking about like beyond gorgeous women that are, it's freaky looking at them maybe. that you're like your eyes are so blue I can't look into them but um
Starting point is 01:45:23 this this girl's definitely mentally dealing with some things and kudos to him for seeing a red flag because that is a red flag it is and like I think too
Starting point is 01:45:36 just kind of his responses where he's just like I was like what the fuck like it does seem like this could be something a guy would just brush off like for sure especially if she's like super hot she looks the way he wants her to look
Starting point is 01:45:48 Yeah, so I'm like... And maybe she's being, like, jokey with it, where it's kind of like locker room talk, but... Yeah, it's just not hitting. It's sickly, and also she doesn't care about her friends, and that's, like, sad. It's very sad. Like, you're using people. It's just lonely. Super lonely.
Starting point is 01:46:09 Lonely. Super lonely. Super lonely. Top comment. Man of few words or woman, someone, a few words. Very shallow. Mm. Which it is. I mean, the next one down says very true. Also, if the guys are only approaching her with the intention of just sleeping with her, I don't personally know how she could feel of high value. Also, I wonder what happens when a guy comes up to the group and hits it off with one of her friends who she deems ugly. She must fucking spiral lose her mind to be like, wait, the world isn't so black and white that I'm hot and everyone.
Starting point is 01:46:46 else is ugly in my friend group. She's ugly. She's ugly on the inside. She's ugly on the inside. And that's where it counts. But I'd love to know what trauma happened at a young age or who hurt her to make her think that that was the only way she was high value. I know. I want him to break up with her. Also, the fact she's telling them this after just like a month of being together. Yeah. That's something you take to your grave. Like if you're that delusional and like that big of a bitch, like that's something you take to your grave. But you have to say, this is full time hot people problems. This is a hot person who is surrounding herself with people who never told her that's fucking crazy. She needs to get clocked. She needs to get clock. She needs someone to read her to
Starting point is 01:47:27 filth. But because she just surrounds herself with people that she sounds like she bosses around and runs. Chanel, Chanel, Chanel number one, two, three, four, five. Literally. No, I feel like you. You need friends who call you out. You do. And like, just, this is so unmatched. But I really hope O.P. breaks up with her and says, also, it's because you're so ugly. Like, it's because you're just not kind. Like, you admitting that is actually crazy and you really need to work on yourself. Like, I hope on the way out, he really, like, slams the door into her. And I don't know a lot about the whole high value stuff. It's not in my algorithm.
Starting point is 01:48:05 Wait, what is that? But I know about high vibrations. And what she's doing is low vibrations. It's very low vibrational to just talk about people's weight. I like this vibration. I want to get into this. They say like high vibrational people. Like you feel them. Like there's depth. Just good energy. Good energy. And like she's low vibrational. I like that. Apparently a high value woman is a popular self-concept in self-improvement and relationship discussions. A woman who possesses a strong sense of self-worth.
Starting point is 01:48:38 She doesn't. Confidence. Independence. Nope. And emotional intelligence. No. Oh. She did that. to herself. None. The focus is typically on intrinsic personal qualities rather than external factors. It's funny because I do feel like there's also the side of like you could be insecure and only want to hang out with hot girls to feel like you're hot. Like it's like wanting to hang out with the cool crew to be like, I'm cool. See, I'm with the cool girls. So it's just so interesting how people express their insecurities. But yeah, she doesn't know what high value means. She's like the opposite of high value. She's pawn scum.
Starting point is 01:49:15 Scum. But that is actually, I like that. Let's be high value women, which is women who are confident in themselves and emotionally intelligent. There's, yes, like, you shouldn't be friends with people you don't even like. You shouldn't be friends with your haters. Like, if you feel like your friend doesn't like you, drop them. They're not worth it. You are wasting time and energy on that friend that doesn't even like you or value you where you could be making new friends that appreciate you and love you. And like, it's the same. thing you can't have two doors open at once like all your energy is going into this asshole yeah where can you give any other time you only got 24 hours a day yeah and not to be i've been in all
Starting point is 01:49:56 a day for three days talking about vibrations but people can lower your vibration i fully believe that i mean there's some people that like i've had in a room i've been in a room with them for like an hour and a half or two hours or three or whatever a night a dinner and i like i call them energy vampires where you just leave their presence and all you want to do is just like go in a dark room and not talk like you are so drained so drained
Starting point is 01:50:22 and it's like the people that like are combative with you and you're like oh I think I think you look really nice I love that dress this dress I hate this dress this dress makes me like fat fine fuck sorry I said something
Starting point is 01:50:35 like it's just exhausting and life is too short to be drained all the time so divorce him I'm just kidding. Give them the D. Give them the D. There's two types of D's, and you go two different ways.
Starting point is 01:50:51 Well, the opposite of an energy vampire is Hannah Burner. Oh, my God. I feel the same way about you. Just a gem. Every time I see you, I just, I feel a little lighter. This is our coffee catch up. It is. Coming to town.
Starting point is 01:51:04 I know. Do some hot takes. It's so good. Feel reconnected. I don't know how you're doing it. You must have like a solar battery hooked up to you or something. A lot of napping. Hannah's on tour right now.
Starting point is 01:51:15 Yes. You need to catch a show. Come, you guys. I'm going to be in L.A. actually. I want you to come. The Will Turn in January. Let's go.
Starting point is 01:51:24 I'm there. I'm going to, I'll hook it up. I know someone. Coming to San Francisco. Coming to Chicago. I'm coming everywhere. Check on my website. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:32 You're filming a special at one of them. Yes, in Toronto. So, I mean, like, if you guys want to be on the special, go get your tickets. It's happening at Nibar.com. Shows. Thank you for supporting me. No, of course. All of Hannah's links will be in the description, but catch a show.
Starting point is 01:51:48 I mean, your first special on Netflix was amazing. It was like, how long was it in the top ten? I feel like I just saw it on my little list. And, of course, I watched. It was crazy to see it in the top ten. Like, that was wild. Because I'm like, are other people seeing this? Is it just mine?
Starting point is 01:52:03 Is this just my mom watching this a lot? Did they hack into my account to put it there to make me feel? Is that what they did? Like, trying to make me feel special? No, it's amazing. So check her out. She's also got a podcast. Two podcasts.
Starting point is 01:52:16 Giggly Squad and Burner Phone. Burner phone, yeah, with hubby. Yes. Not someone that's divorce-worthy. He actually, you know, picks up his fair share. So check it all out. They're working on it. Hey.
Starting point is 01:52:27 You know, you're busy, busy girl. Like, you know, it's all good. Yeah. But that's all I got. And until next time, guys. Bye. Bye. If you loved this episode and want even more content, head over to Patreon.
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