Two In The Think Tank - 90 - "GREY LIGHT DISTRICT"

Episode Date: August 1, 2017

Foodchains that Bind, Ich Bin Ein Shitburger, Workplace Review Robot, Galexit Two in the Think Tank is a part of the Planet Broadcasting family  You can find us on twitter at @twointank Andy Matthews: @stupidoldandy Alasdair Tremblay-Birchall: @alasdairtb And you can find us on the Facebook right here Production by George Matthews. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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five sketch ideas. It's 90 episodes and I felt ready to drop the try from that introduction. What, you think that we just come up with it? Well, I mean, consistently we have. Right? Yeah, I know, but it's not from lack of trying. Sure, sure. So we try.

Yeah. We try as well as succeed. You're right. But I think the try is implied by the succeed, right? Yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely. And also that we wouldn't release the podcast unless we did. Yeah, it's confirmation bias.

No, not confirmation bias. It's survivorship bias. It's that one where people ask, why are they're humans? Why would there be humans in this universe? It seems so unlikely will you go well the the reason why it seems so unlikely and that you are witnessing it is because the only way that it could be Witnesses as if is if it had happened yes It's the anthropogenic principle but applied to our podcast applied to podcasts with sketch ideas Yeah, which is like where I think ultimately all philosophical ideas wind up,

you know, this is the culmination of, I mean, look, Alistair, I don't wanna get too deep into this, but in a way, this is the culmination of all societies work. The fact that we are able to sit here in this room and just come up with sketch ideas. Yeah. You know, in many ways, the pinnacle of humanity's achievement. Well, it is the next step, isn't it? Because first, there was just disparate, in the like separate matter, separate bits of matter.

I mean, well, first, there was a sort of a soup of energy, right? Yeah, but possibly a nothingness, even. Yes, all right. Okay, first, there was a nothingness, then there was a sort of a soup of energy, right? Yeah, but possibly a nothingness even. Yes, all right. You're right. Okay, first there was a nothingness. Then there was a soup very much like going out to a restaurant. Yeah, first there's nothingness, I guess, you know, that's sort of that's sort of.

The empty table. The empty table, but also pre, you know, pre-business hours. Sure, okay, right. The stools are up on the table, but for our purposes, we'll count those as being nothing. I think a stool could be considered nothing. Right. And I'll buy a lot of measures. So then, you know, then there's separate, you know, little particles, things, I guess you could call them waiters or... No, we've got to have soup first, LSD. Oh, yes, I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, soup. And then there's waiters. Look, it's not a very good restaurant. Obviously, they leave the soup on the tables from the night before. That's going to be one of those Japanese places where you order it from the counter and it's basically a machine does everything. It's just soup.

Yeah. Maybe behind the machine is a person, but you don't know. We don't know. And that really is the question of, is know, is there a God behind the machine? Is there a person behind the universe? Is there a God? Yeah. Anyway, the important thing is eventually you get people.

Yes. And that's when you eat a person, I suppose, at the restaurant. That's the final course. And then after that, that person, possibly, while you're eating them comes up with sketch ideas. And that is the pinnacle of what so far humans have come up with. People have suggested that vegetarianism and veganism is like,

you know, and I think the people who suggested this might be vegetarians or vegans, see if you can spot it. Okay. Is in a way the pinnacle of our ethical achievement, right? That if we are able to reach the point where we no longer need to eat animals to survive, then we, the next step is, and the ultimate step is, for us to ethically justify the fact that we shouldn't be doing that, right? Like we are able to reach that point, I guess, where we step out of that sort of that food chain, or whatever. But I wonder if there's a point after that where we've developed

technology to the point where like we can clone anyone and anything. Right? So that higher than choosing not to eat anything is our ability to clone and then eat ourselves. Like because ultimately I guess there's no suffering involved in that, or no net suffering, right? Because I guess the only way you could do that is if you cut off your own arm. At the moment, yes. If you cut off your own arm, ate that, then cloned another

arm and put it back attached, reattached it. Is that the only way that could be done? What do you clone the arm and then ate the clone down? I know, but only way that could be done? What do you say in the arm and then eat the clone down? I know, but then would that arm experience pain? That isn't yours? Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah. So you want it to be totally self-contained. Yeah, yeah. So I think maybe you would have to use your own body to kind of re- I mean, at the moment, that's more or less this way to grows for this early in the podcast. That's currently what we do when we're eating a scab.

Great. It's sort of the next step after veganism. Yeah. It's auto-troph. Being if humans are able to become an auto-troph where we provide our own food. Yeah. Well, I wonder because the problem with the eating the scab is that the pain that has occurred is not due to the eating And so it's kind of a scavenging after there has it's like you're kind of you're you're you're piggybacking off of the back of other Suffering yeah, that that has already occurred and then you're eating that you're kind of like a vault if anything That's probably the next level after

Sort of cloning your arm and things like that, so I think it goes You know omnivore yep, then vegetarian then vegan then vegan then Clone parts of your arms after you cut off your arm and eat it Yeah, then you clone one or get one to grow back using science. And then the level after that is scabe eater. Who would have thought that scabe eaters would be the pinnacle? It would be the pinnacle. Well, there's another level above that, which is once we've made the decision that it's better if we're just not here. Right. And then we, that that we're just to just a entire bodies without the

cloning part into nonexistence or is it no eating really involved in that we just sort of just let yourself with her and weigh and be eaten yeah okay yeah I guess if you willingly feed people who don't have food with your body yes you know I guess like that monk who throws himself to feed into the pit to feed the hungry tiger cubs Did that happen? I think that's a story I've heard I've heard Bart Freibahn do it as a bit as well Oh, well, I won't I won't even try and riff on it then in case I accidentally riff across his territory Well, I look I don't think you were gonna get there because I feel like in the end it becomes a joke about tiger supporters Wow, yeah, I wasn't going you weren't gonna go to an Aussie rules joke going to get there because I feel like in the end it becomes a joke about tiger supporters. Wow.

Yeah. I wasn't going to go to an Aussie rules joke. No. No. Look, do you think that I think in this hierarchy that there's a sketch in that? Yeah, somewhere in that thing of like, you know, what's the, yeah, you know, the ethical next step or like, or even just the conclusion that the only ethical meat source is our own bodies. It's like a, you can definitely take

that from the extension of veganism. It's also local as well, you know, if people are very keen on eating locally produced meats, it doesn't get much more local than your own arm. Yeah. It's. You know that that hasn't been transported at a cost of CO2 emissions all the way from Guatemala. No, absolutely. But in order to keep yourself alive, you have probably had to catch trams and different things like that to go to work. Well, if you just stay in one room and work remotely, oh yeah, it's good. Using teleconferencing, a cold room

so that you're not using any kind of heating. Yes, and then just eat your own arm. Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a, what about that guy who started making, like found a way to turn feces into burgers? Did he hear about that guy? I'll shit burgers. I'll shit burgers. It was a guy in China found a way to turn feces into burgers. Did you hear about that guy? I'll shit burgers.

I'll shit burgers. It was a guy in China found a way to treat shit in such a way that you could make it edible. And I think he was making burgers out of it. Do you think, what do you think has to happen before that takes off? Oh, I mean, I mean, do you think, I guess I don't know whether he's opened up a restaurant

as a kind of like a tourism thing? It would sort of be like Lord of the Fries. There's a place here in Melbourne called Lord of the Fries where most people don't realize what they're first to do. You don't realize that it's actually a vegetarian place. When I went to Lord of the Fries the first time, I ordered a burger, I asked for a vegetarian burger. I took it away, I started eating, I was like, this is meat, I went back, I said, you've given me a meat burger, they said, all our burgers are vegan, and I looked quite the full. Yeah, you would have looked like quite a full. But now, if that burger was made out of shit, human excrement, right, and then I started eating it and then I went away I came back

I said I asked for a burger made out of shit and this is meat and they said all our burgers are made out of shit I guess I would all still feel quite fully you wouldn't have looked clever no no no no especially because I was eating a shit burger Yeah I guess the the you know that apparently one time That's for sure. No, no, especially because I was eating a shit burger. Yeah. I guess the, just the, you know that apparently one time John F Kennedy went to Shanghai and actually went to this, Gavin in one speech and he actually said,

it's been on shit burger, which in German, in German actually means I am a burger made out of shit but he must have been very very full was that was that like a mis-translation that he was saying he thought he was, I am a burlinner. Yeah, I think so. In China, in Shanghai. Yeah. In Berlin.

In Berlin. In German that he's from Berlin. Yeah. It wasn't a good day for him. No, I mean, he'd had a couple of fuck ups. He was probably only a year or so away from being murdered. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it was on the decline.

It was close today. Yeah. I guess I don't know what's worse, calling yourself publicly a shit burger or eating one. Or I feel I do. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's eating the shit burger. But okay. If he's making shit burgers, it's clearly not making it's eating the shit burger, but okay, what if he's making shit burgers? It's it's he's clearly not making it

Just out of shit, right? He's not just processing a shit Removing removing the flavor removing the bacteria Yeah, and then trying I assume he's putting in other ingredients But but then but then again like a shit already is something that is full of other ingredients. But then again, like a shit already is something that is full of other ingredients. It is in itself a recipe. It is. It's a recipe that very often requires you

to prepare it the day before, which is usually the kind of recipe that I don't have any time for. Something worse than looking at a recipe. Step one, soak the cashew nuts for 48 hours. That's good because I'm hungry two days from now. It's one of those ones that you can really do on the run and going on the run actually helps it move down fast. It does. Alright, let's move away from the shit burger.

Really? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if there's anything in there. Well, it's shit in there. Look, do you think that there's a whole sitcom maybe? That was just right. I was just right. Yeah. I guess it's like, it's a novel kind of idea.

It's like, you know, sometimes people go on a trip to another country, sometimes in Asia. Mm in Asia and they they see a thing. Let's say they they see these steam buns and they go oh I think I would like to recreate that like you know, we don't really do steam buns here in America Canada America Australia The three countries. Yes I'm gonna bring that back to and start a little stall. Maybe we'll start it off as a food truck, something like that, and then see if that,

I can bring this successful thing. I guess you could see that somebody's found a niche in the shit burger, and they go, well look, it seems to be bringing in tourists. I don't know if anybody really wants this, but I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, be great to have opened up a shit burger place here in Australia and then get accused of cultural appropriation. I think the, the, the, the one selling point of the shit burger

is that you know that it is already made from things that people like to eat Because it's stuff that people have already eaten absolutely by definition. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, absolutely, but then but then obviously you would probably also have to separate It into different categories based on what people eat. Yeah, exactly. So because then you would have to have like a vegetarian option where people haven't been eating any meat. Yeah, yeah.

And then also like one maybe where people are eating exclusively vegan, you know, or organic things, or then where then you could have one burger where people are eating exclusively shit burgers. Wow. Oh man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. Um, look, I know that this is silly,

but just so that we can get beyond it, I'm gonna write down the idea of a guy going to China, picking up this guy as shit burger ideas, idea, and then trying to get this business off the ground. Maybe you get to see him in a way it'll be a story about startups and small businesses. Maybe he could even go on Shark Tank. Yeah, Ellen. Ellen? Well, you know, yeah, obviously if you, you know, it's crazy that he would get

the success that the other guy should have got, but got. But I guess he's not an English speaker. He's probably somewhere in the Szechuan region. I don't know whether he's making those burgers in that style. I think it also like, I think there's a lot of people worried about Southeast Asian street food, whether or not it's prepared in hygienic conditions. And I think just coming straight out and telling people that your burgers are made of

shit is a great way to sort of bypass that doubt that people have, that, you know, any questions in your mind, well, allow me to put your mind at rest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, where have you been storing the shit correctly? Well, look, I've been passing it through bleach and acetone and... Oh! Yeah, look, I don't know what it has to undergo. I can't believe, I can't imagine that it's a 100% natural process.

I don't like to imagine it is. That's the one process where I would be the more chemicals that are involved in the production, the happier I am. Actually, it would be very, it would be the, you could make the opposite of, you know, so if you go to the art gallery in Tasmania called Mona, Museum of Olden New Art, I bought David Walsh, the gambling millionaire, mathematical genius, and general sort of eccentric provocateur. Yeah, and apparently he's done a lot of great things for Tasmania.

And apparently another thing that he's doing is he's opening up a casino that is only for high rollers. Which I think is good. Well, it is good because then it's like it's no poke so you're not pilfering money off of the poor. You're just taking money off of the stupid rich. You're siphoning it off. Yeah, off rich idiots. Rich dumb fucks.

I'm really like, oh man, I'm really comfortable with that. Yeah, I'm so comfortable with it. It's one of the only ways that you can get, I mean, obviously he himself, David Walsh, is a billionaire. So, you know, it's really just kind of trickling across from billionaires to other smarter billionaires. But because he gives so much to the community

and he's revitalized Tasmania, he's done nothing. Anyway, he has a piece of art in his gallery called the Klawhaka, which is a shit machine. Basically, you put in food on one end and then... It goes through a series of chemical processes. Chemical processes that reproduce, I guess, the internal digestive system. What I'm suggesting is that this guy could also make a work of art that possibly would be basically the inverse of this where he would put shit in and then you could watch it as it comes out and at the other end you just put it on a bun.

I'm telling you right now, if that was a thing, David Walsh would definitely buy it. He would definitely connect it to his cloacum machine, and he would definitely sell the burgers. Absolutely. Yeah. And that is a place where people definitely would try them. Yes. Because people are open-minded and they feel like they're engaging with culture.

Is it a concern then though that that is essentially a robot putting a person out of a job? Like we get down to the point of like we're giving value to people shit. Well I'm sorry, that's a thing that not even you really can exclusively do. You've been replaced by a machine. you're not even fit to shit. We've found a robot that can do it better and people are more comfortable. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he also, you know, he's already done some funny stuff

with the toilets there. Yes. If he just connected the toilets to a thing that, you know, like he's serving you like back your own shit. It really, if we connected those two machines together, it wouldn't be a human centipede, it would be a mechanical centipede. Yeah, absolutely.

And you know what, I think there's a horror movie in there. Yeah. Or at least a boring documentary. Yeah, yeah. Which, you know, for a lot of people is horrible. Yeah, exactly. Oh, a lot of people is horrible. Yeah, exactly. A lot of people want to be scared. But we know what about the fear that you get from knowing that you're wasting your life? Is there some way that we could produce a horror documentary?

Right. Well, and I'm not quite sure how this would work, but it is a documentary, but then very often somehow the presenter appears behind you, or like it's glipsed in a mirror, giving some information when you're not expecting it. Yeah, well, I guess if you had, we're always looking for new viewing experiences, if you were in a room in which every surface was a possible screen. Yes. So you had screens all around you. Okay. You know, possibly your chair was also screen, and now also there were projectors where they could project things onto you. Yes. So what is the documentary about? Well, I mean, it could be about spiders. Okay. That feels a little

easy. That does feel easy. Okay. But, but, but, but, but, but that being said, like producing a documentary about, say, a serial killer or where I don't know, like, I mean, I guess, I guess instead of having, sort of subtitles or like text on the screen, it's written with blood on walls. Oh, there you go. Well, there was unsolved mysteries which used to be a TV show that I found very scary as a kid. Yes. And first of all, it's scary because these mysteries are unsolved. And so you know that whoever's done whatever murder or whatever they're talking about is still out there. Yeah, and and so that's you know, I guess that's what that's one way in which you

could make it more scary. But then I guess what I was, where I was heading with having a screen everywhere is that the presenter could appear anywhere at any moment. Yeah, which is, which is great. That is. So there's always that element of surprise. He could always appear in a very shocking loud way. Yes And over here, you know like he's Pardon me You know just like in your ear just like oh Jesus Christ, you know, I guess if every maybe also as well as every surface being a screen. If every surface was also a hand,

the could be a picture. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's getting quite complicated. I think we're sort of moving it away from the documentary filmmaking sphere and more into the chamber of horrors kind of. 4D cinemas.

Yeah. And so we're one of the D's is a hand that's got also a screen. Screenhand. Yeah. Screenhand. I mean, let's work on this screenhand. Why haven't they made a phone that is also just like a plastic glove that you put over your hand? So it's just a glove that you've got on your hand. And then you just need to open your hand and look at the inside of your hand. It's like the opposite of a touch screen. It's a screen that touches you.

Yeah, but not in a weed-wise. No. I don't know if that's the settling point you would go for. But you just open it up your hand and then you can also touch it. So it is also a touch screen, but it is a touch screen also in the way that you were saying that it is touching you. What about, so they're making sex robots, right? Which to replace the part of human interaction, which is sex, what about robots to replace other parts of human interaction, right? So like it's a, you know, a traffic altercation robot, your road rage robot,

or something, or it's a, so is that so that you can have road rage with this robot instead of having to go out onto the road and experience it. Yeah, yeah, or like a career progression robot where you're able to go in to an office and there's a robot there and you can have like a An annual performance review of the robot and it gives you I guess good feedback It basically tells you what you want to hear about your job and where you're going. Yeah, and I guess that's similar to the sex robot in that this is something that can sometimes be difficult

to get in real life. Yeah, yeah. And it's something that maybe you would pay for if you couldn't get it in real life. Yeah, I mean, there would be, like, and then of course, commentators and thought leaders would come out and give their hot takes on whether or not the your ability to go and get positive career reinforcement from a robot in your own home is going to cause people to work less hard at work and make less effort.

But maybe that's just where society's going. I don't think we should judge that kind of thing. No, absolutely. And I think that maybe we should judge the people whose job is to always criticize how much different bits of technology are going to affect productivity in the world. Well, do you think that we could make a robot that would do that? Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. A robot capable of delivering hot takes on the damage that robots are doing to society. I think I think most commentary is easily automated. Yeah. I don't think people are reaching that far deep. I tell you, futurists do seem like they deliver the same kinds of information about every six months, something will come along and they'll talk to a futurist who will come out trot out the same stuff. If a futurist was replaced with a robot, I think that would be fine. Absolutely. I think you could teach a neural network to sort of piece together the same buzz words about,

you know, in connectivity and hyper networking or whatever. Integration. Integration. Integration. Yeah, the internet is 2.0. Yeah, nobody's really thinking ahead in a very kind of create, like, you know, there are a few. I think I read one article in which people were talking about

like that everything will, at some point, just be on the move, like, that, you know, like cars will be self-driving and so then the cars themselves will be rooms, will just be another room to be in. And so then why, you know, like, could we be replacing houses with self-driving cars that are on the move? Yeah, okay. I mean, yeah, you know, like, it's everything a road.

It's everywhere a road. But they, if everywhere is a road, where are you going? I guess you're, you know, Rome, you're interconnecting with other, with other passing vehicles and maybe meeting up with people in there. Right. You know, look, this is, you know, but at least that. Like, how's moving castle. Yeah, yeah.

And I don't know that reference, but I kind of get what it, I guess, what it's about based off of the title. I'm only giving this as an example of at least a futurist who's put in a bit of effort. Yeah, well, I mean, what you really want from futurist is something so silly that it could never happen. Yeah, absolutely. That's how you know they're trying. If somebody just says, oh, yeah, and then they'll be phones, but they'll be in your mouth. Or, you know, like bigger or smaller, or they'll be flexible. You're like, yeah, okay, all right. Yeah.

But if it's something like, there'll be phones that are a gas, and you breathe them in, and then you, and then you, when you talk, it spells out the words in the air that you want to say. So that the deaf can... So that the deaf can come So the deaf can come in. Yeah, exactly. And that's your phone.

Then you're like, okay, well, that's stupid and would never happen. I'm getting my money's worth from this futurist. Yeah. And so I think, do you think there's a sketch idea in the jobs that you wouldn't think would be replaceable by robots, but definitely could be? Yeah. I think the performance review and the workplace advancement robot is good. And then I think that maybe as part of that or as a two point, maybe that and the other

one are a half sketch of the futurists being replaced by a robot. But also, yeah, like, I mean, that can be extended in a general sense, Salistair, to all sorts of... But I think my question, as I guess, before we would replace work place advancements robots, I think that there would need to be an industry where people are first paying to just get complemented on their job.

That's true. You know, so because I think, because that market isn't there, and maybe this is a step that we could, like, jump over, but it just does feel that people would go, well, why do I need a workplace advancement robot? Because it's not a really a service that I've ever used before. Obviously, maybe some people have never even had compliments at work. And so they didn't even know that that was a thing that you could get. But I guess if I told you, hey, what does this robot do?

And then I went, hey, well, it's a thing that complements you on the great job you're doing at work. I guess that could tickle you and you go, oh yeah. Yeah, well, I'll pay for a bit of that. Yeah, I don't know if I would, but I think- And it would just play on your mind for a bit. There is a, where you were going with that out there, I think was along the lines of like,

you know, the equivalent of a sex worker. Is there like, you know, like a red light district? I don't know sex worker. Is there like a red light district? I don't know what you call it, like a gray light district, which is like a CD version of the CBD, where you go along and various business types are in windows offering to give you a performance review. It's a CD business park. Yeah.

Those parks often have buildings that are just covered in glass. Often it's tinted, but at night time, if you turn the light on on the you can see through it. See through it. And then, people are just standing there like in their wearing kind of suits. They look like they're probably a higher ranking, you know, office workers that are higher than they look like they're probably a higher ranking, you know, office workers that are higher than you, or maybe they're wearing a fluoro vest, but you can tell that

they're definitely middle management. There are some people who like to look in on other people getting a performance review, but then there's other people who like to be in there getting the performance review yourself, which obviously cost a little extra. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And then there's obviously there's a performance review Cux, which is people who just like want to see someone else get the promotion.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody that they really care about or somebody that they really compete with. Yeah. At work. At work. Yeah.

And they want to see them get a promotion. Yep. That's really good. Yeah. Okay, I think that's, that's an entirely, it's own idea. Like I think that that's good enough to deserve a full, a full sketch of its own. Great light district. Yeah. Great light. Blue light. Blue light makes it sound like it's the Pumunos police dances. Yeah, blue light just go. Blue light district would be, what would that be? That would be where you, I mean, it's the same thing, but with police, you know, going along and see police busting people for things.

But I'm surprised that there isn't an industry in just paying to go hang out with somebody and They find things in you to compliment you on Mm-hmm like you know people who don't believe in themselves at all don't really have that many people in their lives I mean look it's a definitely not the it's not the it's definitely a slightly sad or industry Massage your ego, but you But as people become lonelyer, hopefully, this will expand. Yes, fingers crossed.

Fingers crossed. As we, the fracturing of society increases. Absolutely. Well, if it's inevitable, then it's almost wrong to not create this industry to help lift people a little bit. So it's somebody that you spend like an hour with and then they talk to you and they get, you know, they get to, you know, it gets just like a conversation, but as they get to know you more, they find more things to complement you on.

Oh, wow, you're actually really witty. Yeah. And you go, oh, thank you. Yeah, I always thought that, but people really say and most of the time you go well, you know, I mean, that's because they're intimidated by you and your handsome looks And I want you to know that I'm actually not even that good at observing for compliments that I'm quite new at this So your your wit is so blindly obvious. Yeah Blindingly blindingly obvious blindingly obvious. I mean for something to, blindingly obvious. Blindingly obvious. I mean, for something to be blindingly obvious, what that means is that it's so obvious that it blinds you.

And then in the future, you won't be able to recognize things that are even incredibly obvious. Well, you know, things like a finger in the eye is blindingly obvious. Yeah, you know. things like a finger in the eye is blindingly obvious. Yeah, you know. And obviously blinding. Yeah. Oh, but also it's one of those ones that you would still be able to notice later.

You know, right. Yeah. Yeah. If it was say like a supernova, so the nearby, which I think would be blindingly obvious. Yes. You know, but it would blind you that you probably wouldn't be able to at least see it. You'd probably be able to feel the heat wave, but then there's other things that could be momentary.

That would be momentary. I mean, I guess, if you felt that heat wave again, it could be somebody opening up a oven or it could just be like a media or flying by. But do you think that with the, with the supernova not also kill you? Well, it depends. I mean, it depends how far away you are. Okay, it's just the right distance to blind you, but not kill you. Yeah, or it could be one of those cinemas that is capable of capturing a supernova, sort of a camera that I guess would be capable of capturing a supernova in all of its essence Yes, minus the heat and things like that. So it's a cinema where you can still get blinded

But not murdered by the intense heat. I think if you were to witness a supernova that could be described as blindingly obvious by these criteria I think one of the few things you would not describe it as is blindingly obvious. Like, of all the things you would choose to comment down about this supernova... ...person who referred to it, this thing that's a white- out vision for all of humanity, presumably. Sure. But that supernova last night was blindingly obvious. I mean, some wise guy, everybody's been blinded by the supernova. I think the fact that the supernova was blindingly obvious, pointing it out would also be blindingly obvious, and therefore not necessary.

It wouldn't be necessary. And so I think if you did say, or that was blindingly obvious, people wouldn't be sure if you were talking about the supernova or the statement of that being blindingly obvious. Indeed, it's very so forever. Is there a sketch in this blindingly obvious, I mean, well, I guess the the the the the point where that we

reached there, we're saying that things are a blindingly obvious. Is itself a blindingly obvious thing to say? And so never really, you would hope needs to be said, if it's if something, if you say that something is blindingly obvious and other people haven't like and that's news to anybody if that if if blindingly obvious is not it's saying that something is blindingly obvious yeah is worth saying then it's also wrong. Yeah but but I think that there's a chance that it could be like a like a hot enough for you kind of situation So I think let's say let's say we get let's say we get two three hundred thousand years down the road

Sure, I mean, I don't think it's likely but okay, I know but but let's say there's you know not you and I but let's say society All right, right? I still think I can still see there's doubt in you. Not both of us, maybe one of us, but definitely not you and I. Yeah, no, but I'm saying that society itself would get there. Yes, okay. Okay, you already knew that. But it was blondie, Lillian.

That was, yeah, great. And we're getting to a point where our star is starting to die. Yes. It's becoming quite obvious. That I don't think that we currently have a star that is the kind that would go into a supernova. No, I don't think it's big enough. I think it would probably just collapse.

And well, if it was an expand into a red giant, which would still happen, but then it would just collapse into a. But let's say, OK, this is kind of going to a crazier place, but it's just taking into account another idea I had recently. Let's say we find a way to turn it into that kind of thing because one of the ways in which Matt or Trent is capable of traveling through space with enough energy to travel and get to other solar systems and other galaxies at high speed is using the energy of a supernova. Right. So we send our son into the state of supernova.

Yeah. As a main superpulsion. Yeah, and we find a way to put a heat shield around our earth. Find it possibly just like some kind of force field type thing. Yep. Just some kind of force field. Let's simplify it. Let's just call it just some kind of force field. Yeah, maybe one of the yeah, anyway. So, so then just so that we could propel ourselves, we've kind of lined ourselves up with trying to get to, you know, we're trying to get to serious something, or rather, I think that's actually a really close star. Anyway, but so then there's a supernova. Yep. And what they didn't take into account is that it was going to blind everybody. Right. What would I thought that would be bloody obvious. But then we're

then we're sent off into another galaxy. Yes. But of course, we're so many hundreds of thousands of years down the line that as we sort of start traveling through space and we get to to other galaxies, other stars are starting to die and supernova as well.

Yes. And so even when people's eyes are sometimes recovering, or we've found science has had enough time to fix people's eyes, we just get hit by blinded by another supernova. Yes. I could imagine at a time like that, some guy would think that it would be funny

to occasionally go, well, that was blindingly obvious. Yeah. It could be like just like, you know, the joke du jour where you kind of, you know, much like if you're buying a bottle of alcohol and somebody says, good day, good day, or, you know, oh, not, oh, it is now. Yeah. Yeah. It is now now that I have the alcohol or this one's not even gonna touch the sides or something about like you can't claim it on tax. That kind of thing. Do you wanna receipt, can't claim it on tax? What about your idea, Alistair,

of like we're 200, 300,000 years down the track? Do you think that like, you know like how people as they sort of grow old, they get a bit jaded or whatever, maybe you get to like 80 or something, you'll be like, I just wanna go sky-diving, right? Like I don't, I'm bored by life, I'll just try anything. Do you think we could get to, you know,

whatever period of time it is down the track? And just humanity as a phenomenon, we are just like oh we'll just try anything so somebody's like what if we blow up the sun and put a force field around the earth and see if we could blast ourselves to another sun do you think that like all of us on the planet could just be like yeah we'll give it a go I think what have we got to lose I think if we put it to a referendum like like a way, we've had a good route, a world referendum.

A world referendum. Let's say we could probably find a way to just use the heat at the center of the earth to keep us all warm for at least the 20 years that will take for us to get to wherever we're trying to get to. Yep. Yeah, I think that with a referendum, you only need 51%. You only need 50.01%.

I think you probably want to, like a quorum or something. You'd want like 60, 66% or something. Maybe 75 to put, to go something like this. I think it's a bit harsh to go for just like an absolute majority of 51%. It depends on whether the leader, the leader of the earth, how much he wants it. If he really wants it, he's gonna put the limit at 50%. Okay, feel like, you know, so,

or she, or she, of course, absolutely. But this does feel like a guy, kind of. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna be sexist, but I feel like that's the kind of idea that a guy. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to be sexist, but I feel like that's the kind of idea that a guy would have and be trying to push on people. You know, possibly he's an ex-CEO of a, of a force field kind of, you know, like, Could this be the next Brexit?

Absolutely. We're, but it's like solar system exit. Yeah, yeah, it's like, it's not a system exit. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's so equivalent of David Cameron. Like there's this popular demand to get out of this solar system. He's like, look, I'll just put it to a referendum. It probably won't get up. I can't imagine that it would.

I can't imagine that all the way to that the no campaign is really, you know, the remain campaign is really badly organized. There's a lot of populist opinion behind the no campaign. And the polling doesn't really reflect that. But then anyway, we polling day, we vote to leave. And then we're like, well, we've got to go ahead with it. So to spite the fact that obviously there are disadvantages to blasting the earth out of the solar system, everyone's like, well, we had a vote. We've got to go, we've got to push ahead with it. We've got to find a way to make this work.

I guess, like, you could see how people, because people can form our arguments to convince people of almost anything. Yeah. Right. So especially with fake news. Especially with fake news. But even without fake news, I think like I look here I'm gonna try and make a campaign for for let's blast away. Okay, so the sun is starting to die We're only gonna get cooler, right? You don't like being cold. Do you? No, no, no

I love the world. Okay, you don't like being cold. I like the warm too and there's a there's some perfectly good stars out there that are way bigger Way younger, you know hotter. Oh And they're in hot up. Yeah younger and hotter. I mean look I mean already you Any man over 45 is is bloody relating to this. Yes. I'm just joking. I'm sorry I feel bad that I've even said that that's something that men want but I'll clearly there's a pattern of that. Yes Great. We're just we're just. Great. We're just noticing patterns. We're just noticing patterns and speaking them. Then, you know, what else? You know, we've already explored everything that this solar system has got to offer. We've mind,

we've been around the sun a few times. We've been around the earth. I mean, the moon, there's almost nothing left of that. We've got all the helium three or whatever we wanted to get off of that. We've cooled all our drinks with that ice planet going around Jupiter, that ice moon. Pluto turned out to be covered in ice crustaceans that obviously Earth has become. But anyway, like the doubt, we hunted them to extinction Yeah, and now we can't you know, there's no more sort of You know crustacean ice pops like we like we used to enjoy. There's nothing good or exciting to eat anymore in the solar system We've tried everything. Yeah, so we want to go off. This other place has got a great, huge sun, huge sun,

which means that their solar system is capable of, you know, we're pretty sure has way more planets that are capable. The Goldilocks is on is huge. It's going to be also to stuff to eat. All sorts of things to eat, you know? New snacks. I think you've already sold people on the new snacks idea.

That's already, you've, like, in terms of your referendum, you've already sold people on the new snacks idea. That's already, in terms of your referendum, you've already got 25% with the new snacks idea. I'll stop mentioning it. Look, I've written down, I'm gonna call it sex it. New snacks, new snacks. Sex it because it's solar system, exit. Yeah, or a galaxy. Galexit, who are leaving our galaxy.

Well, possibly. Yeah, look, gale Galaxy. If we're leaving our galaxy. Well, possibly. Yeah, look, galaxy, it's pretty good. That does sound like a French food. Ah, galaxy. Galex it. Okay. Or how are we doing for sketch? Is that feels like it's...

1, 2, 3, 4, 5. That actually is 5, yeah. Yeah, they're very science fiction. They're very sci-fi. They're very sci-fi. They're quite sci-fi. We've also, I just wanted to say, the way that I picture it. So if we do come up with a force field that is capable of stopping heat, possibly some kind of, it's a mixture of a Faraday cage, because I guess to stop heat, do you just have

to stop infrared? Is that what you're doing, do you just have to stop infrared? Is that what you're doing, or is heat another thing in itself? Well, heat from the sun is energy of photons light from all different frequencies in the way of lamps. Okay, well, anyway, one thing I was just thinking, look, I've realized I don't have a solution

for how to make a force feel, yet. Okay. I list it. This is all full and a pop. But if you built one around the sun, Yes. Right. So that, uh, and kind of like an igloo, or like a woopy cushion. Yeah. Right.

Build it around like that so that it kind of had a funnel. You could pointing at the earth, pointing at the earth, you could, you know, like, you could concentrate the force of the supernova towards the earth so that we could really take off. I wonder whether we would feel that acceleration. I think we'd feel some. But obviously there's another solar system also around us. I mean, so there's another force field also around us to block obviously the damaging effects of concentrating an entire supernova onto the. Of course. Yeah, there's got to be. Absolutely. You know, to, you know, I guess you got to be really a real oversight not to do that.

Our robot futurists should have seen that coming. That yet they were still talking about flexible phones. Yeah. That's in there going to be flexi, you may roll it up in your pocket. Flexible phones. Flexible phones. I'm a robot. All right. Should we go through the sketches? I'm gonna go through the sketches.

All right, first we got the hierarchy of most ethical eating. And then obviously, like, and it's obviously using our own bodies as a meat source. So, goes vegetarian, vegan, then cutting off your own arm, and then re-growing it using either stem cells or cloning it back on, possibly 3D printing it on. Then the next level above that is eating scabs,

which is the highest level. Yes, it's the highest level until you get to deciding that you just shouldn't exist and then letting other people eat you, right, or creatures. Then there's the shit burger, Australian food truck, which is a guy I went to China found out, found this guy was doing the shit burgers, he thought, that's a great product that I would like to bring back here.

I think it'll be good for tourism. I think it'll be good. Like a whole town might end up being known as the place where that shit burger is. Much like Mona, what Mona is to Tasmania, what we've done for tourism of Tasmania, the shit burger could do that for, let's say, waga waga. Right. You know, I think people will travel for miles in order to get to this food truck. But then again, I guess, but there's also the possibility that this whole system is also

at Mona using the cloaca and then this reverse cloaca that we're creating here. Then we got Workplace Advancement Robots and Futurists. So this is when we're finding robots that can replace other jobs that we didn't think that they would replace, but such as the a boss that gives you compliments on your yearly review. And this is people kind of, I guess having it marketed to them. And, and then realizing that this is something that they want. Yeah, and we're seeing it, um, we're, we're seeing the factory where these things are being, being made and the realistic body parts and the silicone molds and stuff that they're using to create a realistic life like boss.

Yeah. And, uh, you know, and then also the rooms where they're testing them, so that to see how people are responding to them, they're getting, trying to get maximum efficiency per word in terms of a compliment or response. Yeah. Then there's the gray light district, which is a sort which is a sort of an, I like, I said, like a, sort of like an after dark kind of business park where people go for workplace compliments. Again, it's a similar idea, possibly it exists in the same universe,

but it's just a place. I guess it's a, it's possibly for people who have had a robotic complement, workplace complement, and then realize that they kind of, there was still that human touch. Yeah, and so then that's opened up a new industry, which is kind of a fun, kind of an interesting thing that we don't see much of where automation goes back the other way.

And the automation is something where some people have lost their jobs from this has created a new industry where humans can get to do it anyway. Well, I guess I guess also like once we've got these robots, I mean, is there any reason why they can't replace the CEOs of corporations and then the CEOs of corporations are going to be out on the streets looking to make a quick buck anyway they can so maybe they will find themselves you know down and out and giving people a positive performance review. I think that's good because I think maybe at first the CEOs will hire the robots. Yes. Just so that that's one task that they don't have to do. Yeah. You know they go oh well they're giving the compliments you know workplace reviews that's another way that I'll find efficiency in my town and then they realize everyone likes the robot so much. Yeah, they're giving them so much positive feedback

They end up being promoted To see over and then the CEO themselves is out on the street try to work and then he gets to the to the gray light districts Wow, and trying to give out compliments. Yeah, Andy. We've we've done it. There's a whole ecosystem the whole ecosystem then we've got a a referendum to blast the Earth out of the solar system. The legs it is what it's known as, and we're just having the referendum, and then we decide that that's actually something that we want to do, and you see the yes side and the no side, and you see there are. Who were the people who voted for this?

No one on my Facebook feed voted for it. Yeah. And then, and then you, you find out that somehow bright bar was, yeah, hugely behind it. I think that, I think that's really fun. Yeah. All right. Well, guys, that is that is that. That is the, that is the, that is it. Thank you so much for listening to the podcast. We are part of the Planet Broadcasting Network full of other excellent podcasts.

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