U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - R U Talkin' R.E.M. RE: ME? - Monster 25th Anniversary Edition with Mike Mills and Michael Stipe

Episode Date: November 6, 2019

Adam Scott Aukerman are back to discuss the 25th Anniversary Edition of R.E.M.’s most frighteningly titled album “Monster” with R.E.M. members Mike Mills and Michael Stipe. Plus, the Scotts talk about Martin Scorsese’s thoughts on Marvel movies in another edition of I Love Films. This episode is brought to you by Intersect Festival (www.intersectfest.com code: REM).

from chronic to collapse town and into now respectively this is are you talking rem me Collapse Town and Into Now, respectively. This is Are You Talking R.E.M. Rimi, the comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things R.E.M. This is good rock and roll music. Welcome back. Adam is doing paradiddles on the air drums. Welcome back to the show. We have not done an episode in a bit of time, but we are back now.

Welcome to the, I would say, one of the major REM-centric podcasts in North America, certainly, if not the United States. Are we just, sorry, can I jump in here for a second? Yeah, by the way, this is my co-host, Adam Scott. My name is Scott Aukerman, and you know him from television and occasionally movies. You know me from movies because I just directed one. Blah, blah, blah. Fine. I just have a question.

Can I turn – where are the – Down by your penis. Don't mind if I do. Stop fiddling with that and start fiddling with that. How's that? Is this a better level for you? You have to turn it to the right in order to turn it up you turn it to the left in order to turn it down so down would be on the left

uh you can remember that by by go back to the beginning on that one okay you have to turn it up to the right upright so that's that's like when i wake up in the morning i sit upright yes you are sitting upright all right down to the left so down left so when you go to sleep you go down left you want me to go to sleep right now yes all right you brought your bedroll with you what is it what kind of noises does he make when he goes to sleep? Shut, shut, shut, shut, shut. Are you saying to shut up or are you just saying shut, shut, shut? Oh my God. I think Adam has night terrors. Whoa, sorry.

Did I fall asleep there? You fell asleep. Yeah, yeah. Do you not remember the last thing that we talked about right before you fell asleep? You said, should I fall asleep? And I said, yes should i fall asleep and i said yes no i don't remember that you don't remember that i do remember you saying should but that was all so anytime anyone says the word should you're out like a light i am out you said the word should by the way ah wake up did i fall asleep you did fall asleep, yeah.

I'm going to try not to say that word. Please don't. Yeah, hopefully the word... Especially while I'm driving. Don't call me and just say that word. So we have not done an episode... Oh, sorry. My question was, are we in the American Southwest?

I believe the podcast reaches the American Southwest, yes. But are we physically in the American Southwest? Huh, that's a good question. Should we call up our lifeline and get an answer? Hold on, let me call up my lifeline, Siri. Hold on. Are we in the American Southwest? Here's what I found.

Okay, here's what i found okay here's what she found the american southwest are we running dry that's a youtube video let's check it out all right here we go let's check it out are we running dry i'm gonna tap to unmute that what do you say all right here we go this is uh a vegas pbs oh what a wonderful noise to start a video with it's a great start yeah okay anytime something fades up on credits that take five seconds you know this video is going to be long just judging from the music this is going to be these are serious subject matter these are white titles on a black background, by the way. They're fading in and out so long. Look, I don't have time for this.

Are we running dry? Can you just make a video that's three seconds and says yes or no? Yes or no. Are we running dry? Oh, God. Well, I loved it. The video? Yes.

I'm going to make that call. I thought it was great. Call your children. Let them know that they need to reserve all of tonight to watch a new video. Guys, I've got our night planned out for us. I know you're 13 and 11. This is perfect for you. Bye.

this is perfect for you. Bye. What's a good night out? What does everyone like to eat in your household? If you were to order from anywhere. This is a great question. You know what? It's four people and two dogs, right?

Four people, two dogs. So dog food? You all eat dog food? We love dog food. Whole Foods. I don't know if you've been there before. It's a grocery store. Whole Foods.

This sells donuts, bagels. It's all wholes. And so for dogs, they make special dog bagels. Wow. And they're delicious. Tog bagels. Tog bagels. That's right.

They call them Tog bagels. Tog bagels. Because the guy, his name was Tog, and he loved dogs. Was it simply Tog like Madonna or Cher. That's right. They called them Tog Bagels. Tog Bagels. Because the guy, his name was Tog, and he loved dogs. Was it simply Tog, like Madonna or Cher? That's right. Tog. Tog. Yeah, it was actually his initials. Oh, it was an acronym for his initials.

Oh, wow. So what was his actual name? Thomas Ossoff Gratian. Thomas Ossoff Gratian. Great guy. What an interesting guy. He sounds great just from his name. He's dead.

Oh. How did he die? He suffocated. Autoerotic asphyxiation? Yeah. Whoa! He was having sex with... Wait, so it wasn't auto.

It was just erotic asphyxiation? That's right. Wow! That's the way to go. The autoerotic asphyxiation. Auto just right. Wow. That's the way to go. The auto erotic asphyxiation. Auto just means you're by yourself. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, this was.

It's like automatic for the people means auto erotic. Asphyxiation for the people. No, this was, it was his dying wish to get this line of dog bagels out there into the world. So he had not. he had not released them. It was just a dream of his. Wow. And he told the other that was in the room that he was engaging.

The other? Well, I don't want to, it's not my business who he was engaging in. Okay, but like a fuck buddy? Well, I wouldn't even want to, like a, like a fuck buddy. Well, I wouldn't even want to, I'm not going to go there. Oh, okay.

If, if you like, I put that in quotes. Yeah, no, I heard the quotes. Yeah. Uh,

so while he was a dog, he was having sex with a dog. He was trying to, yeah. While suffocating himself. Yeah. And he told the dog he wanted to to make some dog babels and he called them babels so they're dog babels yeah i think it was because he was suffocating that he pronounced it babels instead of bagels so he

has like a belt around his neck having sex with the dog. Trying to. Trying to. And he tells the dog, I want a line of dog bagels called Tog Babels. And the dog... And I want them sold at Whole Foods. H-O-L-E.

He expires. Yeah. Unexpectedly. And the dog puts it into action somehow? The dog made it happen. Wow. He kept his word. What a story.

Yeah. Wow. The whole story is on each package of dog baebles with pictures. That's right. It's told entirely by pictures. Wordless cartoon. That's right. Wow.

What an amazing story. And they call it the whole story. They do. I got to go to Whole Foods. Check this out. Get some Tog Babels. So that's what my family eats. Okay.

Welcome back to the show. We are... This is a podcast devoted to the music of R.E.M. exclusively. We do not talk about anything else. Nothing else. Nothing else but the music of R.E.M. Coming up a little later on the show. I mean, let me just tell you what this show is devoted to.

So this is an episode devoted to the 25th anniversary of Ariham's seminal album. And I don't even want to say the title of it. I'll just play some of it. That's right. It's that album with the frightening orange Halloween-inspired cover and the title that I don't want to say. Don't say it. Needless to say, this episode, I wanted to get it out in time for Halloween. All Hallows' Eve.

We had that conversation, like, should we get the episode out for Halloween? And I had to end the conversation because you were so frightened. We were too frightened. It was like a... Well, you were. You were frightened. Well, you're brave. Thank you. I appreciate you

saying that. Out of, like, the two of us, we have a partnership because we have different strengths, different weaknesses. That's right. You're the brave one. You're the handsome one. You're the successful one. And you're the scaredy cat. I'm the scaredy cat. And I'm the one who had a podcast studio.

um adam we're going to be talking about uh the the reissue the monster 25 i believe they call it uh five uh actually six six disc set one is uh a dvd they call them dvs in standard definition or is it a blu-ray i didn't even look i think it think it's a BR. It's a blue. I think it's a BR. We're going to be talking about this frightening, frightening album and everything that's involved. We also are going to be playing clips from our conversation with two of the members, R.E.M. and themselves. Yeah. Mike Miller, whom we have spoken to on the show before. Yep.

And a person we have not spoken to on the show before. Michael Stipend. The Mikes themselves. The M's. They're in a hurry. They're busy international rock stars. Sure. Rock and roll.

How busy they are. Rock and roll. How busy they are. Rock and roll personalities. They're not really doing anything. Well, they were busy when we were They were busy on the day. On the day that we met them, they said they were busy.

They were juggling lots of different work, family, scary one duties. Right. Two Scotts, two Mikes. It's a lot like

what's happening in this room right now. That's right. We're going to be playing clips from our conversation a little later on the show. Yeah. So stick around. We will be talking about REM exclusively on the show. A lot of fun.

A lot of fun. We'll tell you everything that happened when we went to a different town, not in the American Southwest southwest in order to meet up with those guys and talk about monster 25 but before we get to that adam it's we're definitely in the thicket of award season right now what are you doing during are you taking vacation what do you do for award season yeah um i don't know, but I went and saw The Irishman. We were just talking about that. Did you read Martin Scorsese's Scorsese?

Did you read his comments about Marvel movies? I could not agree more. I saw the initial comments, but I did not read the editorial. Follow-up editorial. I love this conversation. Just keeps going and going and going and going and going and going. I love it. Let's going and going and going and going and going and going. I love it. Let's keep talking about this subject.

Wait a minute. I think this is an episode. Oh, for sure. Definitely of I Love Films. Hey, everyone. Welcome to I Love Films. This is Scott. And this is Scott.

And we are talking, of course, for another episode. We never deviate from the topic. We are talking about films. Films. Films. Sell you Lloyd. Hold up. Hold up. Not movies. No. Not flicks. Oh, don't even say the word flicks to me unless you're talking about Netflix,

in which case they did release The Irishman, but I don't know. You know what? What's that? I saw it. Where'd you see it, on Netflix? No, sir. No fucking way. NFW.

I saw it in a movie theater. That's on a celluloid. Thank you very much. Isn't it ironic that you see a film in a movie theater? I know. And you know what? It bugs me. They should change the names to film theaters.

A film theater. That's right. Or a film auditorium. Auditorium or a building film. A build film. Build film. A B film. If you have to shorten it.

Or because we have such busy lives. You can call it a BM if you want. Sure. Call it a BM. Call it taking a shit. I have three words for you, Adam. Take a shit. Three other words. Okay.

Se-ne-ma. Put those together, what do you have? I don't know. I've never tried. All right. Well, we'll do that after the show it's too tough

we'll do it after the show but let me tell you Martin thanks for your words about Marvel movies very important we got we got his take on these

will you summarize for me and tell me what it was in the follow up editorial that was because Martin Scorsese

Scassi Scorsese Scorsese is one of the great filmmakers one of the greats let's list i'm going out on a limb let's list them scorskasky yep capala tarantin tarantino tarantino tarantino yeah uh did you mention capola capola i got capola uh who else i don't i'm trying to think of anyone else who's ever directed a film newer Yeah. Did you mention Coppola? Coppola. I got Coppola. Who else? I don't, I'm trying to think of anyone else who's ever directed a film. Well, there's some newer additions that are certainly building up a tasty resume.

Mm. Christ. Christ? Nowling? Christ Nowling. Nowling. Christ. Christopher Nowling.

Christopher Nowling. Is that how, I believe that's the correct pronunciation. All, and I got to say, all wonderful white men. Yes. Oh, great. Older white gentlemen. Older white men making wonderful films. We need more and more of those. I wondered.

You know what? Back when I was growing up, you had the wonderful films of Skarsgård, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver. Oh, you know who else is out there? The Joker himself. What a film. Yeah. What a film. Todd Phillips.

Oh, Todd Phillips. Todd Phillips finally made a film. Yeah, he'd made movies before. Yeah, but this is a film, Scott. This is a film. That camera was shaking around. I haven't seen it, but I can tell that camera was moving. I can tell. It was shaky.

Oh, Spike Lee, I would add to that. He's not an older white gentleman. Then I wouldn't put him on the list. Okay. Taxi Driver meets King of Comedy meets A Smile. What do you got? The Joker himself. Did you see The Joker? Oh, yeah.

Masterpiece. Okay. Masterpiece. That main character was so tortured. You know what? I might be coining a phrase here, making some news. I'm going to call him an anti-hero. And I think that's an intriguing- Meaning the antithesis of a hero?

Yes. And put him at the center of a movie. I've never even thought of that. Let's see what happens. I've never thought of that. That is an incredible... Meaning the antithesis of a hero? Yes, and put him at the center of a movie. I've never even thought of that. Let's see what happens. I've never thought of that. That is an incredible idea for a film. I always wondered when I was growing up, you have these movies, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull,

wonderful Skarsgårdskis movies. And then I would look at Iron Man and I would say, I wonder what Skarsgårdskis thinks of Iron Man. Will I ever find out? It took decades for me. Now you know. Nowarsgård thinks of Iron Man. Yeah. Will I ever find out? It took decades. Now you know. Now I know what he thinks of Iron Man. Old shellhead.

Is that what you call Iron Man? That's what, I mean, that's his nickname. Tell me what he said in the editorial. I don't know. I didn't read it. All right. That's I Love Film. See you next time.

Bye. Bye. Good. that's I love film see you next time bye but I will say that the Irishman is terrific yeah what is it like a sequel to Pete's Dragon yes wait why I just set in Ireland right yeah that's right yeah um what else uh this this is probably our final episode before the end of the year when was the last time we made an episode um i don't even know when was it was it the end of the year last year oh yeah it was probably with oh let's talk about it. Yeah. Pop music.

We went to see Ezra, our former guest, friend of the show. Yeah. We went to go see him at the Hollywood Bowl. Yeah. It was an impressive show. And a really great show. And I got to say, we were about five days out from the show and I was hoping we would go and we hadn't

talked about it and we reached out to Ezra or you reached out to Ezra I don't have his email and he hooked us up with tickets

and I was like boy this is so last minute we're gonna probably be in the back or something like that Primo Boxo Primo El Cito

right next to Rashida herself. Haim was there. They jumped on stage. Haim jumped on stage. What a show. How about that version of Sunflower? You know, live they call it Stoneflower because it's like a seven minute thing.

What a great show. It was amazing. I was with my, I don't know how else to say this. My partner. Oh, okay. I was with my partner, and she has always been sort of like fine with Vampire Weekend. Yeah, sure. But she came out of it going, oh my God, what an amazing show.

These guys are heavyweights. Yeah. These guys are heavyweights. Yeah. These guys are like Ben Stiller and Judd Apatow. Yep. Heavyweights. That's what she meant by that. Yeah, I was really impressed. And also, at a Hollywood Bowl show filled with young people, you know, the Vampire Weekend audience, and he's playing.

Young people. Well, younger than us. Right. It's not like I felt ancient there, but I was certainly like, oh, I'm older than us. Everyone was like 10 years younger than us, which is not young people necessarily. 10 years younger, is that what I said, or older? 10 years younger, I would say. Okay.

I know that they're popular with much younger than that. Yeah. Oh, sure, yeah. But he's pushing the boundaries of what, you know, Vampire Weekend is known for and they're veering into jam.

We talked about it on the last episode that he was on. And to see it put into practice was pretty. It's impressive. Pretty impressive. We,

unfortunately, we did not make it there in time for the opening band, which, because they played super early. They played it like 11 a.m. Total bummer. And I wanted to get a T-shirt.

You know what? We can just get them online. Oh, a T-shirt? Yeah. Nowadays, you can get T-shirts online, right? You can buy them on the internet. Why didn't we try that with U2? Because we don't want to pay for them.

I don't think they sell them. They don't sell U2 T-shirts? Oh, okay. Plus, we don't want to pay for them i don't think they sell them they don't sell you two t-shirts oh okay plus we don't want to pay for them oh we deserve that shit you know how much money have we put into the coffers of bono and company i mean let's let's tally it up okay first record i ever bought from them unforgettable fire i believe i paid 6.99 for it okay we'll put that through the uh here hold on add that up okay first record i bought from them joshua tree uh how much were it was a tape a cassette tape joshua tree back in 1987 probably i'm gonna go with 7.99 okay 7.99 put that into my tally okay are. Are these separate tallies? Separate.

Oh, shit. Hold on. Does it take all that to make separate tallies? Yeah, I had to. Yeah, I had conjoined them, and then I had to separate them. Pull them apart. Yeah. Okay, so then, let's see.

I don't think I ever bought anything else from them. You didn't buy a Rattling, huh? You didn't buy Joshua Tree. I didn't buy any of those. Finally, at the Madison Square Garden show that we went to about a year ago, I bought a Coke. That was $4.99, I believe. Yeah, at least. Okay, so I have spent $6.99 plus $4.99.

Wait, should I get $11.98? Can we get someone to run those numbers? $4.90, $6.90, $4.90. I think it's like $1,000. We've spent like $1,000 on YouTube. Oh, sorry. I went to see Rattle and Hum in the movie theater. Oh, you did?

Yeah. How much was the ticket? 88 tickets. Did you see it at the Dollar Theater? No, I saw it at the 41st Avenue Playhouse in Santa Cruz. So at that time. A matinee or was it a? No, it was nighttime.

It was night? How do you know? It was opening night, Friday, a Friday night. How do you know it was nighttime? Because I remember that it was dark outside. Oh, meaning the sun had gone down? Well, let's see here. Or was it the sun obscured?

In Northern California, it's in the fall. Maybe the sun was behind a tree? No, in the fall, it doesn't get dark in Northern California. It doesn't? No. Oh, it's like Alaska? It doesn't go down, yeah. Insomnia, another great film.

Oh, yeah, put that in. I paid for a ticket to that. Okay. uh insomnia another great film oh yeah put that in i paid for a ticket to that okay so that goes into the christopher nolan yeah tally and he's i'm sure met um bono or the edge so we have what would that meeting be like oh it would be do you think he met him did he meet you to star in like dunkirk or something yeah i i think i think you're right you think he met him did he meet U2 to star in like Dunkirk or something yeah I think I think you're right

I think he wanted the four guys from U2 to be the stars of Dunkirk I mean Harry Styles is one of them Harry Styles is probably the second choice

that's yeah that's because it was supposed to be Larry the edge passed so look we spent way too much money on U2 we don't want to buy That would be Larry. Passed. So look, we spent way too much money on you two. We don't want to buy a fucking t-shirt. Give us a fucking t-shirt.

They keep fucking taunting us. I'm sorry. Is this an episode of you talking you two to me? I think it is. From boy to boots, getting them on that is, this is you talking U2 to me, the comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things U2. This is good rock and roll uh music hey hey welcome to the show i think it's boy to breaking way oh well it's probably something even different now because their last record was uh did it have a b1 to american soul oh boy American soul? Oh, boy.

It was funny. It's pretty good. I think it's Boy to Blackout. Is that what it was? Or Boy to the Book of Your Heart. Because that's the last song on the record. Let's hear Book of Your Heart.

Book of Your Heart. Oh, but that's like... It's a bonus track. From Boy to Bonus Tracks. This is a pretty good one, dude. Did we talk about this on You Talking U2 to Me? Hey, U2! We're on You Talking U2 to Me right now. So let's talk

about it. This song in particular? Yeah. I don't remember this one. Put this into what? An envelope. What'd you say, Bono? What? Wanted you what? What'd you say, Bono? What? Wanted you what? What'd you say?

A phone. A phone? Pictures of what? What's the chorus? I don't remember this. What are you saying, Bono? Okay, we're a minute into a three-minute song. No, three, sorry, four-minute song.

This sounds like something they would maybe just not put on the album. I like it. We don't belong to this world Kick it! Yeah. Whatever. So far, no chorus. But whoa, it must have been blackout then boy to blackout must

have been blackout let's hear a chorus though i think we are right now this isn't the chorus can't be oh shit he said the title yeah i bet it is the chorus all right let's put that one so many great songs on this album i love this this record i I got to say, the more I listen to it. But you two, what are you doing? You putting out something new? You guys have disappeared. Yeah, listen. What is up with those guys?

What's up with those guys? They never call us anymore? It's been a year since they toured. Yeah, it's been a year. No, you know what? They're touring Japan. I don't care. All right, we'll see you next time. Bye.

Bye. They're touring Japan. All right, we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Bye. That was good. Really, that was riveting. Covered a lot of ground. I mean, it went from boy to book of your heart. So, in any case, yeah, we have not done an episode since Vampire Weekend. So that was six months ago. That was a while ago, but that was really fun.

I want to say that we got a letter. Oh, no. You know what? We did an episode from Clusterfest. That was our last episode. You're right. Because that is germane to what the letters that I just received. June is busting out all over.

All over the meadows and the hills. Hey, hey, hey. We get letters occasionally. Did you see the Irishman? We get letters occasionally, and this comes to us from our good friends at Dead Letter Office, who we talked about on the last episode. Yeah, and you know what I appreciate about this? Appreciate you know what i appreciate hey i appreciate you've seen the irishman too many times um aren't they all get some get some bread and dip it in the sauce aren't

they all italians in that movie except for one guy who happens to be an irishman oh don't spoil anything i just did. Okay. They wrote a letter. They wrote a real letter. They wrote a real letter. Creep all that paper up in the microphone, Scott. There's no sound like that. There it is. You're not going to get that sound from a phone.

You'll get it from a fireplace. Oh, right. You're right. I will say it wasn't like they went out and bought some good stationery or anything this is like this is like lined paper that has the uh serrated edge on the left hand like they tore it out of a uh you know a notebook uh it's roughly torn roughly torn and they didn't you know like how when you cut off the crusts on uh toast Do that if you tear out a piece of paper. Yeah.

This is messy, this edge right here. It's gross to look at. Quite frankly. It's gross. Anyway, there was a nice letter thanking us for what we talked about on the last episode and then sent us a lot of nice R.E.M. bootleg CDs. Yeah, really cool.

So thanks to those guys. They are, if you have a chance to go see them out there touring, please do. They are the world's premier REM cover band, I would say. So always a good time seeing Dead Letter Office, although I have not seen them. Well, you have. I mean, I saw them play a couple of songs with us, although i have not seen them well you have i mean i saw them play a couple of songs with us but i haven't seen a full show but that was a they were great they were great i just don't know personally i don't know whether they play as many songs as they played with us like four and then they kind of run out of steam and they're

like tired yeah i mean they're panting and they're like. They told us backstage that the four songs they played with us was like three more than they usually play. Their shows are really short. Yeah, they were tired. They all fell asleep backstage. They did. But Mike Mills or Mike Miller, just last week when we were doing the thing, he talked about how great Dead Letter Office is.

Yes. just last week when we were doing the thing, he talked about how great Dead Letter Office is. Yes. But yes, so they were, and we'll talk about this when we talk about our experience with them, but we mentioned that we had just did this and Mike Miller had played with them once before

and talked about how great they are. Yeah, no shit. That's what I just said. Fuck. Just wanted to reiterate it. Okay. Anything else before we go to a break here what I just said. Fuck. Just wanted to reiterate it. Okay. Anything else before we go to a break here? I think so, bro.

That's it? I think I'm ready to break it up and get back in. Let's stick a knife up our butt. Let's stick a knife up our butt. When we come back, we are going to be talking about the new reissue of I don't even want to say Don't say it. It's too frightening. I can't say it, but we will be talking about it when we come back. This is

Are You Talking R.E.M. R.E.M.E. We'll be right back. R.E.M.E. R.E.M. Remy. It's a nice peppy song to come back in on. Well, I wanted to come back on this because since our last episode, R.E.M. released this. Yeah. This is the version of Fascinating, which we had talked about on a previous episode

that uh they why did they put this out it was uh for hurricane relief hurricane relief yeah i i bought it and the hurricane stopped yeah it was it's like magic but i was because they made a big deal about it never having been released before, but it was on that. Yeah, I think it was on the, the, the. Rarities. The promo. Oh, it was? Okay.

Well, this, this version has never been released before. Sounded the same to me, but I don't know. Well, clean your fucking ears out. Yeah, I guess you're right. Welcome back to the show we are talking about um the 25th anniversary of hariam's uh uh proto grunge not it's not even proto grunge because it was came out after grunge post grunge mid grunge oh yeah mid grunge that should be a a genre of music mid grunge what would be in there n Nirvana's third album.

Cause Nevermind was maybe the kickoff of grunge. So in utero would be. In utero, mid grunge. Mid grunge. Versus. Yeah. Versus.

We got, uh, Alice in Chains second, maybe. Yeah. So, uh, this,

this, this is definitely a mid grunge. Some would say on the tail end of grunge. Oh, what about pre ska? Pre third wave ska. Oh, right before, um, what's that? definitely a mid grunge some would say on the tail end of grunge oh what about pre-ska pre-third wave ska oh right before um what's that what right before real big fish yeah right before they kicked it all off we really hit um but this does you you think this sounds like grunge yeah a lot a lot of

people uh would call it a sort of an answer grunge. Yeah, but not grunge itself. That's why I said mid-grunge. Oh, I see. Yeah. Well put. 94? That was right in the thick of it. No, it was, but this doesn't sound like Pearl Jam or whatever.

But it was mid-grunge. Oh, all right. That's a genre of music that came out between 93 and 94. When do you think grunge ended officially? 95, I would say. I think that's like... But they kept making, like Creed kept making music. I wouldn't call them grunge.

But they were just copying grunge bands. Hey, by the way, speaking of grunge, I went out to... What about Silverchair? Were they grunge? Yeah. Yeah. They were speaking of grunge, I went out to – What about Silverchair? Were they grunge? Yeah. Yeah. They were like prime grunge. Oh, man.

Grungo primo. Platinum grunge. Speaking of grunge, I want to give a shout out to the people at Sub Pop who I took a tour of their offices the other day in Seattle. In Seattle, when I was there with the Comedy Bang Bang Tour, it was Engineer Brett, who is not on the boards today, but came up and did the tour with us. He is signed to Sub Pop. Uh-huh. So we went to, it was Lauren Lapkus. And were you there, Kevin?

Kevin's shaking his head. That's right. He was not there. Who else was uh who else was was it like the offices they've had since the heyday they

they had moved once yeah but they have a lot of memorabilia up there like Kurt Cobain uh memorabilia and uh

a lot of pictures and uh a lot of really cool stuff um and it was fascinating to a lot of Peter Bag uh

art everywhere it was fascinating to go there thanks for the and it was fascinating to a lot of Peter Bagg art everywhere. It was fascinating to go there. Thanks for the invite. It was very cool. And we are here talking about

I don't I don't want to say it. You don't? I do have to say this new reissue of the record they've changed the scary orange

to blue. Is it more or less scary? It's a little more soothing I have to say this new reissue of the record, they've changed the scary orange to blue. Is it more or less scary? It's a little more soothing, I have to say. It's a little more calming. That orange cover, when I look at it, I was like, ah! Yeah. It is so frightening. Okay, let's talk about it.

They just put it out. It came out last week. Yeah. It's in our hot little hands right now. Well. It's in our hot little hands right now. Well, it's in your hot little hands. Yeah. When I say our, I mean sort of collectively. Yeah.

They sent this to us early. Yeah. We got this express mailed to us. Yeah. So that's fun. Yeah. But I don't have a CD player, so i was like what am i gonna do with this well you you did watch the the blu-ray didn't you well i've seen road movie yeah but didn't

you say you watched part of it not on the blu-ray no oh my god uh i've seen it many who cares all right let's talk about the content of uh uh what's on this. First CD is the original album. But remastered. Sounds really good. What is the difference between, like, when they remaster it. Yeah. First of all, okay, here's my opinion of remastered albums. Yeah.

Get it right the fucking first time. Yeah. Why do they have to remaster it? This is ridiculous. Especially since this was made in 1995 when the technology was there 1994 well sure the tour was 95 is that what why i'm mixing this is 25th anniversary we're in 19 uh we're in 1999 this is the 24th anniversary it's the 25th they call it they call it the scary 125 so what the technology was there to get it right yes just get it right the first time i'm

tired of rebuying albums they're like we remastered what is the difference yeah what are they and here's what my opinion what they do on remastered all they do is they turn the volume up yeah they like boost the bass a little bit maybe they clean it up they get a toothbrush put a little tooth tooth powder on there get in there powder scrub are you an alien no you in old movies they put powder on their toothbrush how old are these movies like i don't know three four years old but look i don't i don't get the whole remastered thing yeah but it does sound better than how does it sound better have you listened to the old one and the new one yeah side by side yeah um we will be doing that by the way a little later for the uh uh because let's talk about let's go back to the content disc two

is demos yeah and these are all demos uh not of the actual songs that came out on Monster. Oh, God, I said it! Yeah. Do I have to take over for the rest of the show? I'm sorry, Scott. These are all demos of songs that did not end up on the record. Yeah. Which is weird that those are the demos. I think it's... They're all a little more classic R.E.M. sounding, which is interesting. Yeah, it's like the stuff

they got out of their system before coming up with the monster stuff disc three is a remix of the album yeah

produced by Scott Litt or remixed by Scott Litt well I don't even did he not even I think I think he

or he supervised it he supervised it because I was reading that and it was like, produced by Scott Lidd, remixed by someone else. In any case, what he wanted to do was he, if you read the liner notes,

I'll summarize it. He, back in 94 when this record came out, he says he was having a hard time figuring out how to properly mix a record that had fewer instruments on it than Automatic for the People. So Automatic for the People had a lot of strings and a lot of stuff going on. This was a more back-to-basics guitar album. And he was having trouble figuring out how to mix this together. And he's never been happy with the mix.

And so when this started coming around, he was like, hey, let me remix this shit. Yeah, he felt like the vocals were mixed way too low amongst other decisions. So he did the entire album. He did a completely new remix using different vocal takes sometimes taking instruments entirely out uh it's it's really fascinating we'll be talking about that a little bit later then we have a live uh two discs are live from chicago on the uh excuse me in june of 95 and then we have the blu-ray which has a 5.1 surround sound um high-res audio the road movie concert film a few music videos as well all the music videos that

came out uh from the era now we are going to be mainly talking about uh the what's of interest to us is the uh remix. Is that right? Fill up time a little because I have to bend over to plug this. You know, I think the overall. All right, I'm done. Oh, okay. Go ahead. What were you going to say?

The overall what? Well, the thing that's kind of the constant on the remixed album is that the vocals are way clearer. Now, when you listened to the album back in the day, you had trouble figuring out what the lyrics were. Did you not? Yeah, but that was an REM. That was a staple of REMs, particularly the 80s stuff. Yes. Also, the lyrics are printed for the first time in the actual booklet here.

Yeah. Also, the lyrics are printed for the first time in the actual booklet here. Yeah. And they are, a lot of them are very different than what the fans have surmised the lyrics are. Yeah, yeah. That are out there on the internet. So that's interesting to see the corrected lyrics. Oh, hold on. I'm getting a message from our good friend Kevin over here.

What is that? It's just one word. It says Carl. Carl? Why would he send me that? What is he talking about? Kevin, explain yourself. Is he talking about his favorite restaurant?

That's Carl's son. Oh, Carl was a sub pop. Oh, yeah, Carl Tart. Okay, thank you. This came during the sub pop discussion, apparently. And I was wondering. So Carl Tart was along for the ride. Carl Tart.

Oh, believe me. He was along for that ride. We walked over there, actually. So let's talk about the remix record. Yeah. What were your first impressions? The remix record. Yeah.

What were your first impressions? First of all, the first song that was released publicly was What's the Frequency, Kenneth. Yeah. And that was the first, and we talked about it when it was released probably a month before the record came out. Yeah, not on the show. No, no, just you and I. You and I would check in occasionally. I don't like to brag, but I have a direct line to Adam here. Yeah, we text sometimes.

Yeah. Which is like texting. Yeah, I call it the hotline. Yeah, the hotline. The R-E-M, are you talking R-E-M-R-E-M-E hotline. Yeah, this gets directly to you. Oh, yeah. When I text back, it goes directly to you.

Exactly. No intermediaries, no assistants involved. No people. No. No teams. to you exactly no intermediaries no assistance involved no people no no teams pure stripped down unadulterated communication communication between the two of us that's right and we only use it for rem related topics for other topics we have we have a different phone line for each topic that's right and these are hard lines by the way all hard lines that we've somehow uh rigged for texting i have a a full desk just of phones yep just for all the different subjects and they're all and i haven't i my label maker is broken so i haven't like labeled each of the phones by topic and so it's just a mess sometimes when one of them,

you know, I'll be getting a call from you about, you know, like for me to babysit for you. And I'll be like, which one is this? I won't know. Because you only have one ringer for all of them. So you don't know which. So I'm picking up going, hello? Nope.

That's dial tone. Hello? Finally, I hit on the babysitting one. I'm like, and by that time, you've already booked someone else. No, we're already back from our date. Yeah, What's the Frequency, Kenneth, came out. It's essentially the same. Let's hear a little bit of What's the Frequency, Kenneth. Okay, so the interesting thing that they've done on their website is they have a tool where you can play the songs,

and you can toggle back and forth from the original and the remix so let's hear a little bit of the original and then here's the remix back to the original remix so bass is turned up a little bit vocals are

vocals are clearer here's the original remix the guitar is echo-ier in the original one interesting thing is is they get rid of the

dinky dinky dinky dinky yeah the tremolo yeah which I think is the signature Mm-hmm. One interesting thing is they get rid of the dinky, dinky, dinky, dinky. Yeah, the tremolo. Yeah. Which I think is the signature sound of that single, is it not? Certainly part of the hook. I don't mind it being gone just because it's fun to hear it in a different way. Are we going to do which we like better? Let's do that for each track.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. So for what's the frequency kenneth original or remix adam i like the original i because of that tremolo being gone i gotta go with the original yeah if that tremolo is still in i would love the i would probably like the remix better, yeah, but instead he took out the thing that sort of makes it, I remember when that single came out and the video and everything,

it was like, oh, that sounds cool. Yeah, and unfortunately it's not there anymore. But other than that, a great, yeah. Okay, here we go. So this is,

let's go to track two. This is Crush with Eyeliner. We will go to the original and then we'll toggle back and forth. Here we go. This is the original. Remix. Original. Remix.

Original. I can't take it. Remix. What position should I wear? Original. Layered some vocals there. Remix. Remix. I can't take it. But I'm in vintage. All right.

What do you think? I got to go with the remix on this one. Me the remix better me too yeah at first i didn't because it just sounds demo-y but what what it kind of is with a few of these songs it doesn't sound like they remix them as cleanly as some of the others but this one it sounds like they're playing live together yeah and the i like the layered vocals and with this and bang and blame in particular there's just more to discover in the songs in the original like you said it's just drum bass guitar mixed really well and really guitars super loud yeah it's really there's just more texture to it yeah i have to say this toggle back and forth tool, it really, I was surprised when I listened to it because I feel like the original album is so,

it really highlights how muddy the original mix is, which works in some of the songs. I will say on this toggle thing, the original sounds worse than if you like really listen to a high quality version of it. But I agree with you. There's just more texture, and it just sounds like... The one thing I've always felt about the scary one

is that all the different parts, they feel a little separated, a little studio-y, and some of these remixes sound more like a live band. Right. And you like live bands. I do. I don't like live bands. I do. I don't like dead bands. No.

It's scary. The Grateful Dead? Oh, God. Oh! Oh! Welcome to Terrapin Station! We both prefer the remix. We both prefer the remix,

and we both, on What's the Frequency? We prefer the original. We are in total agreement, and we both, on What's the Frequency, we prefer the original. So we are in total agreement, but it's one to one at this point. All right, we're going to go to King of Comedy, speaking of Skrzkowski. Oh, yeah. And I feel like, I listen to this song and I go, is he talking about me? Yeah. You talking about me?

Yeah, the King of Comedy. Uh-huh. Let's listen. We'll start with the original, and we'll toggle back and forth to the remix. This is King of Comedy. This is the original? This is the original. Remix.

Remix. Original. Remix Original Okay I Gotta say I think the original takes it Yeah Something about the drums sound more powerful think the original takes it.

Yeah. Something about the drums sound more powerful on the original. It sounds more like, I know it's, this song is a little bit of its time where the drums sound very like garbage. I mean, the band Garbage, which means it sounds amazing. Uh-huh. I'll specify if I ever say anything sounds like garbage and I'll say- Not the band. Like the refuse.

Were you a fan of garbage the band i like garbage yeah i mean i they're not one of my favorites of all time but i but the the drum and bass and the sound like it sounds very much like garbage to me i think it just sounds better on the original what do you think i've never been a big fan of the song in the first place but i like the remix because again it sounds more like a band playing live to me rather than a studio creation that was sort of outside their comfort zone and not right never felt like this was a great fit i agree that this is my least favorite song on the record yeah yeah um but i hear that it's so prominent it's a third song yeah didn't they tell us

they tried to play it live once yeah okay they said that in the interview we did they tried to And weird that it's so prominent. It's the third song. Yeah. Didn't they tell us? They tried to play it live once. Yeah, okay. They said that in the interview we did. They tried to play it live once, and they were like, this sounds like garbage. The refuse. Yeah.

So they struck it from the... I will say in the clip that they provided here, it's hard to tell the vast difference between the remix and the original, but it is quite different. We have to say that we are only able to hear 30-second clips because we could not figure out how to log in. Yeah. I think they probably took it down. Maybe they took it down or something like that.

But I think people can still find it online somewhere. Oh, yeah. It's on the REM HQ website. OK, great. Let's go to I Don't Sleep, I Dream. This is the original. Remix. Original. Remix.

Original. Remix Original Remix I mean, for me, this is a clear winner of the remix. Me too. Yeah. It sounds, because in the liner notes, they talk about how they demoed playing live in a big room this sounds like it was just recorded live yeah and then mixed really well but it sounds great sounds really good yeah i was never huge into this

song either really i like this one this this is uh maybe one of my favorites on the record i i like this one and i think i think just being able to hear the vocals more sounds great. It sounds really good. Alright, so so far we have I have two and two. I like two on the original, two on the remix. And right now you are three and one.

Three and one. You like three of the remixes more. And What's the Frequency, Kenneth? It's the one album holdout I'm choosing all right let's go to star 69 that is next can we turn up turn it up a little just so we can yeah yeah i did when you mimed oh you did so yeah adam mimed it to me he's you're really good at mom i you basically like put your your opposable thumb uh-huh and your forefinger and your your fuck you finger together and you turned it to the upright.

Yeah. Upright. And you did that. And I was like, I think he's miming a control knob. Yeah. Whereas you have a laptop in front of you. I should have been going like this. He's right now.

He's taking his index finger. His fuck you finger. And he's just thrusting it downwards. All right. I'm going to turn it up just even more. All right. here we go. Now, this is Star 69. This is the original.

Here we go. Remix. Original. Remix. Original. Remix. Original. Remix. Original. Is this fun for anyone to listen to music with me screaming original?

Original. Original. Is this fun for anyone to listen to music with me screaming original and remix? Original! Look, if you're a band out there, I would love to do this on your record. Anytime you want to just remix an album just for this purpose, let us know. Just let us know. We'll scream original and remix. Okay, Star 69, how do you feel? I like the remix. I like the remix too.

Yeah. Yeah. It's so great. I like the remix I like the remix too yeah yeah it's so great and also another one

where the lyrics I finally kind of figuring out what the song is about which is crazy it's about like burning down a warehouse oh no

this is not the one that we talked about we talked about Circus Empty on the interview okay let's go to Strange Currencies which in our previous

episode about The Scary One is we talked about it as my favorite song on the record. So it'll be interesting to hear my opinion. This is going to be interesting. We'll hear my opinion on the other side of this.

And guess what? I'm going to scream original and remix. Here we go. This is original. Here's the remix! Word, signal, little night of breath Just to fool myself, to catch myself, make myself Original Real, real

This world Remix You will be mine Original This world Back to the remix! You will be mine I gotta give it to the remix

really? yeah oh interesting okay I like the original the remix sounds a little more like something from Automatic for the people to be

so I I like the sound of that record better I think I like the sound of the record better, I think. I like the sound of the remix. I just wish he used the vocal take from the original. From the original, yeah, because you're more used to that one, I would say. Yeah, but also it feels like he really figured it all out

for the album version, and this remix, the vocal take, is beautifully sung. It's a little raw when he goes into the falsetto parts it's some of the phrasing is a little off i am not as used to the original as you i think so i just i i think it i think it the the remix communicates the idea of the song i think you're right though a lot of these remixes sound like, a lot more like the R.E.M. we knew and know and love before. Right. He's kind of mixing it more traditional.

I think it would be interesting to hear a version of this with the remix with the original vocal take. Can anyone do this for us? I don't know. Scott? We should have Scott Lidd on the show. Yeah, and make him remix, do a second remix right in front of us. While we hold a gun to his head.

And say, we're going to shoot you execution style unless you do this. And we scream remix and original during the song. But I think the original is perfect. So it's hard. The original is great. For me, this remix was a bit of a revelation to me where it took a really good song and sort of tweaked it a little more to my liking. Yeah. So, so far, I like two of the originals.

You like two of the originals. Yes, but different ones. Different ones. But we're at four and two. Both of us. Both of us for the remix. Okay, let's go to side two. This is Tongue.

This is the original. This is the remix. Original. Remix. Original. Original. Remix. remix you can hear the uh little tambourine a little better on the remix yeah

tambourine coming tambourine coming down the train tracks everybody god wouldn't that be great if anytime on a record they started playing tambourine, they had to do that sound? Like legally? There is a law. The inventor of the tambourine was like, look, I'll let you play this thing on your record. But you have to hire me to come to the studio and make a train sound. Tambourine coming. Tambourine coming down the tracks, everybody.

How many bands would say, look, it's worth it? Yeah. R.E.M. would. R.E.M. definitely would. I know that for a fact. How do you feel about Tongue? I think I like the remix. I like the remix too.

Again, it sounds more crisp and alive. Yeah, I like it. And you can hear that tambo. I also have to say the other one is an album I've been listening to for 25 years, essentially,

so hearing these new fresh versions, I'm a little biased towards those, maybe. Maybe just because you're like, wow, this is cool.

Yeah. But again, there's more texture and more to discover in some of these versions. I mean, in the episode where we talked about

the record before, my main complaint with the record was it was a little like a sonic assault in a way where it was a little samey. Where by the end of it,

I was just like, God, I'm tired of listening to this sound. Yeah. This has a little more variation. Yeah. Let's go to, so right now we're five and two.

Five and two. For the remix. Let's go to Bang and Blame. Is this two. For the remix. Let's go to Bang and Blame. Is this original? This is original. Here's the remix.

Here's the original. Here's the remix original this one's tough not for me i like the remix i like the remix too yeah it's it but it's it's pretty they're both pretty similar i gotta say i don't know as what are the differences well a seasoned aria again this sounds like they're playing it live it sounds like it's happening together there's more texture there's more there's the guitars still sound crunchy yeah but which is good the the uh tremolo is pulled back a bit it's not as as uh as in it's not at the front along with the vocals the vocals are are more prominent the and then in the as the

song breaks down at the end before the final chorus it's like there's bongos in there there's acoustic guitar i just always felt with the the original it was again it felt a little separate the pieces felt too separate

well this was never your favorite song on this record it wasn't but I've sort of rediscovered it with this remix I really like it

it sounds good yeah so we're at at this point we're at six and two yeah wow this remix is

killing it, bro. All right, let's go to I Took Your Name. This is original. Now the remix. Original. Remix. Original. This is a tough one for me.

This is a tough one for me. I think I'm going for the original on this. Yeah. I feel like the vocal effect he put on. He put on almost like the megaphone effect. Yeah. And I don't know. Because the original doesn't have that.

No, it doesn't. The vocals are mixed really low. And I thought the whole point of this was to make it, although maybe in Scott Litt's esteemed wisdom, he thought the vocals should be obscured on the song, just in a different way. Just more prominent. Yeah. More prominent, but still obscured. He thought the vocals should be obscured on the song, just in a different way. Just more prominent. Yeah, more prominent, but still obscured.

I like the original, though. Me too. Yeah. Okay, wow. So we're at six and three. I love that song, too. Mm-hmm. Six and three.

It reminds me of what Cool Op did not say to me when we got married. I will not take your name. Okay, this is Let Me In, and this was the second song they released publicly. That's right. And we'll talk about it after we hear it. This is Let Me In, original. Here's the remix. Let me in.

But I've got tar on my feet. And I can't see all the birds look down and laugh at me. Clumsy crawling out. Go back to the original. Remix. Remix. This is a clear. Clear winner.

Winner remix. Yes. By a mile. By a mile and a half. By a kilometer. By a country inch. Kilometer. Country inch. Kilometer.

By a country inch. Kilometer. Country inch. We got on the hotline when this was released, and you said this could have been a hit. I think so. It sounds like a hit from 1995 or four or whatever. I mean, the vocals are so clear. I know the original was almost like a blast of sonic pain

that originally the vocals are trying to fight through of like, it's just so painful, the subject matter. I gotta, I'm gonna turn down my vocals, you can't even hear me. But in hindsight now, I just feel like this, on the original episode where we talked about this record, I was like, I love this song, but I just can't stand the way it was recorded.

Yeah. It's unpleasant to listen to. I understand the whole thing about the pain involved, but this is the dream version, I think. Yeah, I think also at the time that they made this record, it was a reaction to Automatic and Out of Time. And the version we love, this remix version, is far more in line with those recordings

than this. So they were trying to pull away from that and obscure the song a bit. The difference is they take the organ out and then they also chop off about 20 seconds at the end, which I don't think you need those 20 seconds. But they also, he just used a different guitar take

where it's not as distorted. Yeah, right. But yeah, so we're at seven and three now for the remix. All right, let us go to Circus Envy. This is the original. Remix. Original. Remix.

It's hard to tell. Hard to tell. When it's this hard to tell, maybe I'm going to go with the original. Me too. This is always my favorite song on the record. Was it really? Yeah. All right, so we're seven and four.

And this is one where the vocals are clearer on this. Or no, maybe it's because I was able to read the lyrics. Yeah. Or no, maybe it's because I was able to read the lyrics. Yeah. At the end of the song, the character talks about climbing up in a tree and taking a dump on the person's head who he's obsessing about, which I never realized before. And I was like, holy shit. Literally, holy shit.

Holy shit. We'll talk about that in the interview portion coming up. All right, let's go to the final final track this is you and this is the original a remix original remix Like the movies. Original. Remix. I love you crazy.

Just keep on. I love you. So. This is clear to me. Clear to me as well. You can hear the drums are not in this portion of the song that we have the clip for uh they took the drums out and have them kick in in the middle of the song well they kick in right after the first chorus and so it's a really dramatic moment uh this this song in the original episode where we talked about it was was one of the songs that led me to say, I don't like the sound of this record,

and this improves upon it very... So much, I think. You're right. At that point in the album, you're just exhausted. Pummeled and assaulted. So, yeah. So Remix wins on this for us. So we're eight and four?

Is that where we wound up? Yeah. Pretty good remix. Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. I'm still like discovering it and having fun listening to it. Yeah.

I think Scott Lidd did a really good job with that. Totally. I'm really interested when a band does this. Yeah. Especially with like a seminal album that was in everyone's apartment at one this. Yeah. Especially with like a seminal album that was in everyone's apartment at one point. Yeah. And then transferred over to the used record store.

Okay, we need to take a break. When we come back, we're going to talk about our experience. Oh, yeah. Talking to the very band itself. REM. Yeah, man. We went to another city to do this,

and we'll tell you all about it and play a little bit of it. In the American Southwest. We will be right back. It was not in the American Southwest. What? We'll be right back with more Are You Talking R.E.M. Remy. Welcome back. Oh, here harm me.

Oh, here it is. They catch in my throat, make me pray. They say, lost and fine. That's the original? Yeah. Sounds, but it's cool. Sounds good, right? This is the remix, though.

That was? That was the remix, yeah. Oh, it was? Yeah. I thought that you were saying that was the original, uh, vocal take. Uh, but that is the remix,

uh, which may be the same vocal take. Look, I'm getting lost in this whole, uh, remix thing, but a good job on the remix. Scott lit.

Hey, if you want to ever want to come on this show, feel free. Yeah. Do you live around here? What's your address? We'll be there in 10. Years.

Adam is reading something on his phone. You want to share with the rest of us what's going on? Actually, I had just stumbled upon a post from REM. They're an NME magazine, I guess. They're an NME magazine. They're doing a lot of promotion. Yeah, I saw them on MSNBC on Ari Melber's show talking about what else but politics. We'll be talking about that in a second.

So let's get to it. Yeah. This is the star of the show. The story of how we came to talk to the two Mikes. Yeah. How did that happen? I don't know. Oh, it all started with a text from Mike Mills a couple months ago.

It did, really? Yeah. Maybe I didn't know this. No. What did the text say? He said, do you guys want to come and interview us for the Monster 25 thing? And you forwarded it to me, and I was like, I'm too scared to talk about this record. That's right.

me and i was like i'm too scared to talk about this record that's right um and then uh then then someone reached well i know someone reached out to engineer bread and was like uh let me find it because it it the actual uh text sounded a little more uh uh like it would be a crazy uh situation than what it ended up being but it was basically hey, the band REM wants to perform in a YouTube space. Do Adam and Scott want to come out for it? It was something weird like that. And we were like – Like someone who didn't know they weren't a band anymore. Yeah, or I have no idea what it was.

It was sort of like, are they getting back together and performing on YouTube? It was very confusing. I think it was me saying, yeah, totally. And then the ball started rolling and someone reached out who maybe wasn't totally sure what it was. So in any case, we gave them our email addresses or emails address. I don't know how to pluralize that properly. And they reached out and said, hey,

so this is how it was. It was hyped to us originally. It was, hey, do you want to talk to Mike and Michael on your show? And we said, yeah, we do. And then we realized, I think everyone realized, oh, wait, it's not actually on your show. It's do you want to interview the guys for YouTube? Well, I think the idea was we would interview them for YouTube and use the audio on our show. Use the audio as an episode.

But that said, we were cautioned that this was more of a serious interview. Yeah, just like this is to promote the thing. It's not going to be an episode of your show. It's not going to be an episode of your show. They thought it was going to be an episode of the show first, and that's how it was said to us. Yeah. So I think it became complicated legally with like YouTube and the record company.

It just became a whole thing. Yeah. Plus, I think that for this YouTube space thing, they wanted more of just an actual serious interview that talked about the record in a more serious manner. They didn't want us doing our dumb shit. Yeah, which is fine. That's fine.

Yeah. You don't like our dumb shit fine um i don't care yeah people can like whatever they like and in and now and thinking back on the actual space we did the interview in i don't know how our dumb shit would have played it would have been terrible a lot and because it's like there's only 20 people in the audience it would have been to hear them laughing uncomfortably would have been or not or not laughing at all and us going wasn't that funny guys yeah um in any case uh we thought it was a cool thing to be asked to do so we we uh agreed to do it and they they were uh this is the people uh who put out the reissue craft recordings

uh they flew us out to to uh can can we say what city was in well all i know is it was in the american southwest it was not adam where were we we were in it was it was a little bit north and to the east the the northeastern united states i believe it was the northeastern united states oh wait a second was it new york it was new york city yes new york city like paste picante sauce yes there that's the thing about new york these days paste picante sauce everywhere everywhere every just in the street the streets are just filled with paste picante sauce like seeping out of the gutters. Everyone walks around with a backpack full of tortilla chips.

You just scoop it up and eat all day long. It's beautiful. I mean, if you have not been to New York City, bring your tortilla chips and get there as soon as possible. You've got to bring your tortilla chips, though, because they're out of them. They're out of them. That's because there's so much paste picante sauce. So we got to New York. I was coming from the Comedy Bang Bang tour, so I came out from Vancouver

and got there a couple days earlier than you and got a chance to see the David Byrne Broadway show, which I wanted to mention. I can't wait to see it. Which is incredible, yeah. How long is that running, dude? Running through February, I believe. All right.

It's incredible. The American Utopia on Broadway. I will say the only Broadway show I've ever been to where two fights broke out in the audience. That's so strange to me. One right in front of me. At a David Byrne show. Well, not only that, but at a Broadway in a theater where people are like pretty much for the most part sitting down watching it. Yeah.

People are like pretty much for the most part sitting down watching it. Yeah. It was very – I think it was this like mook-looking like older – I think he was like 60-year-old. He looked like he would have been someone in The Irishman. Can I just say that? Which I saw and was terrific. Right. And he – I think he was upset at these two gentlemen in front of us who like stood up at the very end of burning down the house and like applauded and danced a little bit and he was like hey shit the fuck down

hey what's going on over here and there was like a shoving match and and the wife got involved and was trying to separate and then the poor usher who's this like 25 year old kid it looked like is on a is has an earpiece and is on a comm. And her eyes get wide and she's like calling over security. And so they separate and sit back down. But I'm like, this is a powder keg. It's going to go off in a second. Security comes over and basically like looks to see that nothing's going on right then and then leaves.

I'm like, dude, you got to stick around because this is going to go off in a second. And sure enough, a few songs later. They get enough a few songs later they get pissed at each other they get pissed at each other get david burn says at a certain point he says you know you can dance in your seats like you can stand up and dance in your seats just don't do it in the aisles and i think that turned into a like them going see like you know and they started fighting again and were they like punching each other well they were shoving and were they like punching each other well they were shoving and then everyone in the audience is like pointing at the guy involved saying security over there and it takes a million years for security to run over again

and finally they they have words with his his wife i believe and um try to ascertain what the issue is and they finally like call him over and go, come here. We're kicking you out. And he's like, what the fuck? What the fuck? These guys are dancing. They can't dance. This is footloose rules in this theater.

I'm John Lithgow. Oh. Oh, Lithgow. Lithgow. You got to slice the garlic. You slice it with a razor blade. Oh. Oh. So they kick him out. Meanwhile slice it with a razor blade. Oh.

So they kick him out. Meanwhile, The Irishman was terrific. Terrific. Meanwhile, I posted that there was a fight and someone who was in the theater said, oh yeah, there was a fight by me too.

That's so weird. And then someone else posted, yeah, there was a fight the night before too. Like what is going, this is happy music, which I don't mean to give people the impression that if you go see the show, you're going're gonna be like in the middle of a fight i think

it's just but people were treating it more like a rock show than a than a broadway show it's just so odd having been to the bruce springsteen one which was quite as a bit well it's not a full band either this is this is this david byrne show has a 15 piece band i think and it's incredible it's incredible um and and the other part of the david burn show was i walked in and i noticed it and it all made sense later but there was a sign uh on the entrance that said the bars will remain open the entire show and i was like oh okay afterwards it all made sense um but uh incredible show i think perhaps as good, if not better, than Stop Making Sense. I mean, it's really incredible. You got to check it out if you can.

So we are in New York City. I'm prepping like a madman. I'm listening to the record several times. I'm reading the lyrics. I'm writing questions. What are you doing? several times i'm reading the lyrics i'm writing questions what are you doing well i i didn't get there till the morning of is that what happened yeah i think you got there like one in the morning the morning of yeah so you slept i slept then you woke up and we did the interview woke up did the interview i don't know i know this album back yeah exactly you don't have to do as much work as I do. Um, but you, so,

so we were, it was a little like, have I ever taught? I don't think I've talked about this for our YouTube interview. Um, but the first time we interviewed you too, we were also told to sort of dial back the humor. We were.

Yeah. Which is why we were so, I think maybe we talked about it on the actual YouTube episode. Cause she they might not get yeah they were like let's was it laura said that yeah yeah it was a little like hey don't don't be try to be as funny during the interview so when bono started like doing jokes with us we were just confused which added to our nervousness you can hear our nervousness in the thing because we had been told don't be funny don't be funny and then suddenly they're trying to do joker was just being protective of us as well like they might not get your stupid yeah yeah exactly and then like i think bono likes our stupid jokes but um in any case with this it was another situation of like don't be funny

but i think we're maybe a little more used to it at this point. So I thought we did a good job. I do too. And I think we had, there were some funny bits and stuff. Like they were, they did say, yeah, yeah. Michael and Mike both said, have fun out there right before we did it. So I think it was a little like licensed to, but it was more of a serious, thoughtful interview that we took care to to try to you know do

questions that maybe they hadn't heard all the time when they talk about this record and I think we for the most part did a good job

of that asking them things that they haven't been asked a thousand times like we didn't ask if they're getting back together we didn't ask if they're getting back together.

We didn't ask. Oh shit, I forgot to do that. We didn't ask about the backyard barbecue, unfortunately. Right, we did not do that. Sorry. But I think this gets us a step closer to it. Oh, 100%. 100.

But yeah, interestingly enough, we asked some questions that they had never been asked before. A couple of times they said, oh, I never even thought about that. That's really interesting. And also a couple pieces of information that had never been made public before. Yeah. So let's hear some clips. Basically, this whole interview is going to go up in a few days.

On YouTube. On YouTube. You can basically go to REM's YouTube, which is at REMHQ, and just watch it continuously until this pops up in a few days. That's right. But the whole thing lasted about 75 minutes, I believe. Yeah. They had no – at one point I was like, hey, how do we know when we're running out of time?

Do you have hand signals or a clock? They're like, oh, I don't know. Yeah. I could have kept going. I still had like five questions. I could have kept going too, but it was, I suddenly realized no one's ever going to give me a signal to wrap it up and

it's my responsibility. So, Oh, here's the other thing, by the way, I, this is my biggest regret about the interview. I've,

it's popped into my head four times since then, but I realized we needed to wrap it up just because the clock said we did. No one was saying wrap it up. So I S I said, um, okay, I think we're out of time. And that sounds like a pun on their record out of time. And, and Michael Seif went, ha ha. Yeah. Like I was making a pun. I was, and in retrospect, there's like no other way to say that. We're running short on time, maybe. Right.

Time seems to be elapsing at a rapid pace. I think I remember the audience reacting to it as well. Like you were making a joke. I did not. I know. I could tell you weren't. It was, it's just,

but the, the ha ha from Stipe. Yeah. It's like, fuck you, asshole. It was like a knife in my gut. Oh, he didn't care.

I know he didn't care, but it just, like, don't name your record out of time, like something that's going to be said a lot in interviews. Something you have to say over and over again. You know, that's another cool thing about the interview is that he talked about the different record covers and his regrets about some of them. Yeah, that was interesting. But don't name your record Welcome to the Show if that's something that's going to be said every time you go on a show.

Or See You Later. Like, what if your record is called See You Later? See You Later, Alligator. After Wild Crocodile? Any of those things. Don't do it. All right, so we're going to hear some clips. The entire 75-minute thing is going to be up on YouTube soon.

Here's the first clip. These are clips that we requested because, Adam, you actually were the one who picked these clips. Do you want to talk about this first one? What is the first one? Remember when we started this segment, I said, do you have the email? No. So you can pick out these clips? Well, I don't know what order you have them in there.

Okay, this is the first one. This is about, we were talking about Circus Envy. Oh, yeah, this is really cool. This is one of the kind of new pieces of information that- New intel. New intel that we got out of the interview. We should just play it. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, so this is regarding Circus Envy. I don't know how it starts so i just wanted to frame it a little bit but let's let's hear it uh one of the great things about this new uh package or box set or whatever there's lyrics to monster which weren't there before and it's great to see the actual lyrics and i circus envy was always my favorite song on the record and holy shit reading, reading the lyrics, the actual lyrics, that is a crazy song. There is, at the end of the song, the main character of the song

climbs up into a tree and takes a dump on someone's head. What the fuck is going on? That's my favorite song lyrically on the record. Absolutely. I love to put it in the set list live because I just laughed all the way through. It's incredible. I would wait for that last line

just so I could laugh even louder at the very end. I love that song. How did, 25 years, I didn't know that's what that lyric, I don't know if it was my favorite song on the record. It's great. So you really went there with some of these songs. These were very different songs for you. I didn't hold back.

That song, I mean, I can tell you the genesis of it is very, very easy. It's one of my, it remains one of my favorite films of all time. When I was 18 years old, I went to see a young director who had just released his first feature film, which I'd seen in a midnight movie, and it blew me away. So I went to hear David Lynch talk to myself. I was a young punk rocker and a bunch of hippies who were, I'm not kidding, wearing army helmet. This is St. Louis, Missouri, 1978, army helmets and pajamas. And we all showed up to see David Lynch talk about Eraserhead and sat there for two hours and he never showed. He never, but his next film was The Elephant Man, starring John Hurt, and who

I met thanks to Mike Mills. Mike invited me to dinner one night in Los Angeles and he didn't tell me that we were going to be dining with John Hurt. I still kind of shudder when I think about how incredible it was to meet one of my heroes.

At any rate, there's a scene in Elephant Man where they pick up the carnival and they move it of the night past a lake. And that scene is where Circus Envy comes from. That scene is where Carnival Boxcars, whatever that song is called, Carnival of Swords came from. All the circus stuff

goes back to that scene in The Elephant Man. Wow. So Carnival of Swords and Circus Envy come from the same scene? Yep. Wow.

Have you ever said that before? Nope. All right. Okay, so interesting. Two R.E.M. songs based on the same scene in a Lynch movie. I mean, in the moment, I was like, I have never heard this before. I don't think he's ever said this. And he gave confirmation on that.

I will say if there was ever a moment that we should have done an episode of I Love Films, it would have been that. Oh, my God. I so wanted to do it. Missed opportunity. An episode of I Love Films. love films oh my god just talk about the greats david lynch lynch so great so that was really cool and circus envy being a favorite song of mine it was it was just uh it was great and see that that was another thing about the interview is they were really open and cool and so i feel like the conversation went in directions that we uh yeah we weren't uh expecting yeah at all and also they're not on the grind of saying the exact same thing about this record over and over like they were 25 years

ago so they can we were hoping that this could be a re-amination of it of like, okay, in retrospect, how do you feel about it? Which leads us to the next clip. This was a question that I asked about politics and music and politics. Let's hear it. But we recognized immediately that the last time the world had seen us as a touring band was 1989 and things had changed dramatically. We were no longer in the dark days of reagan and bush senior we had moved into the at the time lighter happier days of clinton um and we don't need a monday morning quarterback that now but but at the time it was really it was it was a much needed yeah respite um and this was the first the first record that you put out with a Democratic

president in your entire career. Fuck. Wow. That's crazy. I'm learning so much tonight. I think you've only put out four. Wow. You put out three with Clinton and one with Obama. And a few with Reagan. Like, a lot with Reagan. Yeah, that was rough.

That's not our fault. Isn't it a bummer how fondly people look back on Reagan? St. Ronnie was rough. That's not our fault. Isn't it a bummer how fondly people look back on Reagan? St. Ronnie? Yes, it's a real tragedy. Did it kind of feel like this was an opportunity

to kind of politically take a break? You know, we're in good hands now with a Democratic president. We can talk about more ironic things? That's a really good question.

I've never thought about it, yeah. I've never thought about it that way before. I mean, maybe there was an element of relief. We were never, we never wanted to be thought of as a political band. We were political people who used our platform to express our feelings about things. So there were times when we would definitely pull back

from the politics because it was getting, it's like I met Ted Turner one time and he said, oh, you're in that political band. I was like, no, no, we're just a band that cares about what happens in the world. So, and at this point, when we're representing ourselves to the world, there is an ironic distance involved in what we did. There was a little bit of removal from the face that we were presenting to the crowds that were coming to our shows after having been away for five years. So I had funky suits.

Michael shaved his head. We had just a whole weird new presentation of ourselves because we could. It was an opportunity to sort of redefine who we were. And that swagger, that humor that came along with it. And I just think it was a really good moment for that to happen. And we were looking at the world around us and realizing we had helped create that change we had

helped move things out of the 80s and into the mid 90s and we now had to respond to it in a way that made us still i hate the word still that made us as relevant as we felt like we were and that was our way of doing it so yes all those things kind of dovetailed into this use of, you know, I love glam rock. I mean, I loved the Monkees and the Archies. That's where Shiny Happy People and Get Up came from. So, you know, and Stand, no problem there. This was really a departure for us

and particularly following those two records. But we needed loud, raw, swaggering, big songs to perform on the 95 Monster tour. And that's what the record provided us with. We had a whole lot of new fans at that point from people who had only heard the hits, Losing My Religion, Everybody Hurts and all that. So we just shafted them.

We just said, okay, everything you think you know about this band is wrong. We are not going to do automatic part two. We're going to present something completely different, which our long-term fans will understand what we're doing and why we're doing it. But all the new revistes who hadn't heard anything except the hits,

some of them stuck with us and some of them said, the hell with this. This is not what I signed up for. They wanted automatic part two and that's not what we provide. I can answer the political question. I just had to think about it. What we always did, and what I always did, particularly as a lyricist and the front man,

my job, as I see it, as a creative person and as an artist or as a musician, was to tap into whatever was happening. And I do this really well, I think. Tap into whatever's happening in that moment and try to present it in a way that makes it make a little more sense to try to put it in a in a in a light in a spotlight that helps us

not only move through the moment that we're in but towards something that's that's that's greater and hopefully more progressive and more you know I'm an optimist, so a better place. And that's how I see my job. So if we were not doing, quote-unquote, political songs at that point, it's because I felt like that wasn't necessary or needed by us at that moment. What was needed, I think, was the kind of upset that this record provided. It almost seems like if you were to put out a record now, which I know you may be, and if you were to take that sort of ironic style with the lyrics, people would be like,

there's so much going on in the world right now, you know, why put a distance between it, you know? It almost seems like Perilous Times sort of call for more sincerity. Would you agree with that? of call for more sincerity. Would you agree with that? Absolutely. It inspires, you know, one of the jobs of artists, whatever that means, is to provide counterpoint to the darkness that sometimes is in power. And so when Reagan and Bush were in power, you're much more inclined to speak up and say, this is a real problem. And then when Clinton comes in, you feel like, well, okay, we've done something about that. We don't really have to rail against it at the moment.

So let's look at it from a different point of view. Okay. So that I count as a win because I think Mike Miller said, well, that's interesting. I've never thought of that before. Yeah, it's interesting too because Michael michael came back to it later yeah and said and and i think it was on the clip where he's like oh no now i know how to answer because because it was one of those you know usually when you get asked a question in an interview

you get asked the same things a lot so you have all of these so you have all the answers like ready to go but this was one he actually had to think about while Mike was talking. Yeah. So that was cool. I thought that was an interesting response. Yeah, it was a really cool moment. Then we talked about you being in the drive video. Right. So let's, you want to hear that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, here we go.

Well, when my friends and I put on green aprons and came by the studio to deliver coffee, pretending to be coffee people, and knocked on the back door, you all seemed like you were having a great time. We probably had a great time throwing you out of the studios. Yes, you did. Just ignoring us and not letting us in.

Had you heard that story, Michael, about Adam coming to the studio? I think I told Mike. I thought you were imagining that it actually happened. No, he actually did that. I'm like, you would have been 11, and green aprons didn't exist then yet. That's right. Green aprons were invented in 1992.

I don't know if anyone knew that. No, I was in my 20s, and we came and delivered coffee to the back. I remember hearing what eventually was what's the frequency, Kenneth, kind of coming out of the door and being very excited. Which city? L.A. L.A. at Ocean Way.

Ocean Way. Shut up, really? You're a total zealot with the band. Well, yeah. The other thing we should mention is that Adam is in the drive video. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Between the drive video and the coffee delivery,

you're just sort of inserting yourself into all these. I know. And I see the drive video. There's all this beautiful stuff that happened behind the scenes. A river came. I remember, I was going to say, I didn't know if it was okay to say, but I do remember everyone was like, dude, it's River Phoenix. And he was there.

It was really cool. And I was making a film, trying to make a film at the time with Oliver Stone called Desperation Angels, which ended with three friends, one of whom discovers he's HIV positive, chaining themselves to the White House gates at the end of the film. Michael Oliveri, who is now known for The Sopranos, was the guy who discovers his status, and they go on this road trip to try to bring attention to what's happening.

But Oliver was the executive producer on that. He came, he was drunk, and he and River got in a fist fight in my trailer. Whoa. And River won. Right on. Yeah, it was fucking cool. I don't like fighting, but it was like,

this is awesome. Wow. Was that the end of your relationship with Oliver? No, no. I mean, he goes on and on. Yeah. He's, he's got his own trajectory and I, I actually, I have huge respect for the guy, but he did show up a little hammered. So he, so he got hammered. Wow. Yeah, that was cool. So, uh, I mean, obviously we talked to Mike Mills about that, but yeah, but not Stipe. Yeah, afterwards I thought of a couple other things to ask about the video,

but we were kind of nearing the end of the interview. Yeah, the time, we were out of time. Ha ha. Yeah. Out of time. Oh! Ha ha. Yeah. But how crazy is that about Oliver Stone and River Phoenix? Yeah, I'd heard that somehow. You had?

I'd read it in a book or something. Oh my God. Because I remember seeing River Phoenix at the other end of this giant place. He was far away, but it was like, holy shit. It was obviously River Phoenix. But the fact that they got into a fight. Yeah. Interesting.

All right. One last clip. And of course you can hear the entire interview and watch it because cameras were trained upon us. Yes. Although I was not checking the cameras during the interview to make sure that they were still, you know, right on our faces. No, I made sure beforehand that there were two cameras

that were super ultra close-ups on both of our faces. Okay, good. Thank you. The entire time. That's the way I like it. This is, we asked, this is a short clip about,

one interesting thing when we were talking to the people from Kraft Recordings is that they had found that this record clip about um one interesting thing when we were talking to the people from craft recordings is that uh they had found that that this record was sort of an entry point uh for a lot of new fans this is a lot of a lot of fans first rem album so we want to ask about that what we've heard from your people is you've been hearing from a lot of people that say monster was actually their entry point to the band which i i just think of it as the most interesting entry point of your whole catalog.

Like what it must have been like to enter the REM, you know, fandom at Monster and kind of discover you from there. Because Monster, I remember at the time, everyone's saying it's their return to rock, but this doesn't sound anything like Document Green, Life Search Pageant, kind of more rocky. More rock. It's so weird.

It is a profoundly weird and wonderful record. Yeah, thank you. I imagine just people who started with Monster and then going, oh, well, I'll go back and check out some more of this stuff, and then they listen to Out of Time Time and they go, what the hell is going on here? So that's all right. I mean, it's, you know, if you make enough records, you have to keep moving. It's like

a shark, you know, if you sit still, you'll die. I despise stasis even more than I despise sentimentality. Yeah. All right. So pretty cool. Yeah. Really fun. Fun time. Fun time. Fun time. Fun times.

And we should say Sig and Kay and everyone from Craft Recordings are really cool. Yeah, thanks for having us. I know that dealing with us is not easy. We're awful. Look, I came in and needed a steamer for my shirt because I'd been on tour all week and I needed to. And we went through like three steamers before we found one that worked we did it was a big problem and there and i can just understand that where they were going just wear whatever you're wearing like they don't care but

i wanted to look good for it not that i look good you wanted to steam your butt yep i want to put steam up my butt and then afterwards we went to dinner with those guys yeah i think they called an audible like they were all planning on going to dinner with those guys. Yeah. I think they called an audible, like they were all planning on going to dinner. And I think that they wanted to see how the interview went before we were invited to it. Or if we were weirdos or assholes. And,

and Mike and Michael both said, yeah, let's invite them to dinner. And it was very, and that was a lot of fun for us because I think we spent 90 minutes to two hours eating dinner with those guys and having wine and

you sat in between Michael and Mike and Michael said to me when I walked in here sit next to me and it was like oh okay and we talked about a lot of stuff none of which I think we want to talk about publicly but they were great they were great cool guys were great. Cool guys.

Really nice to us. And this brings us closer to the backyard barbecue. So close. Not to say that we spent the entire dinner talking and planning the backyard barbecue, but we don't officially, officially, we did not do that, but I will say someone is looking into tarp rentals right now. Might be getting some crudite pretty soon, if you know what I mean. So does this count as Stipe being on our show? Yeah, because you just heard his voice. I heard his voice, yeah. On our show.

Yeah, that's true. It wasn't an, I mean, it's exclusive right now for a few days until it comes out on YouTube. No, listen, man, this is ours. Own it. Count it. Bing. Now we need Bill Barry at some point.

Yeah, we got to get Bill Barry. What's up, Bill? You're listening, I know. Of course. That was exciting news during the interview is that he's kind of getting back into music. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that was something that we talked about.

You can hear that over there on REM's YouTube. And so a cool experience. Yeah, it was terrific. It was really fun. Were you freaking out at all? No. Are you dead inside now? A little bit. You know i was uh freaking out a little

was when we first went into that room to say hi to the guys because they they had cameras on they wanted to do a little behind the scenes of like hey this is the first time meeting yeah michael right let's film it yeah and it was kind of a bummer i think for you don't want to have to be on while you're while you're meeting someone. And none of us were comfortable. And then the cameras left the room and we hung out for a few minutes. Yeah, that was fine. Yeah.

Very cool. Head over to REM's website. YouTube page. YouTube page. Yeah. All that stuff. They have a channel. They have a YouTube channel.

That's cool. I wish I had one. Yeah, you do. I do? Yeah. All that stuff. They have a channel. They have a YouTube channel. That's cool. I wish I had one. Yeah. You do. I do? Yeah, I just made it for you. Oh, shit. What's on it?

It just, you, let's see. It's a supercut of you farting. Oh. Yeah, that's all that's on there. Thank you, I guess. Where'd you get all the footage? Oh, I'm always filming you. What?

I have a camera that's in your pants, so I get close-up fart shots. Is that why you were checking my inseam the other day? You were installing a camera? No, no. Yes, I was. I was not checking your inseam to make sure you wouldn't trip on your pant legs.

You crafty son of a bitch. That's right. You came over to my house, you were like, I got to adjust your- Scott Ock fart cam. God damn. It's a channel all right check that out too um anything else uh we want to talk about before we go i i think you know the this uh

episode i think that our last episode that we did uh we i couldn't have even talked about it wasn't even announced but i directed the a movie and you're in it. Yeah. The Between Two Ferns movie is out on Netflix. It's terrific. I've talked about it a lot on my own podcast, so I assume everyone knows about it,

but there must be some people who only listen to this show who don't know that I did that. So check that out on Netflix. Between Two Ferns, the movie was a crazy two year long experience for me with a ton of people, Adams in it, and Will Ferrell,

Zach Galifianakis, of course, Matthew McConaughey, Rudd, Ham, Brie Larson, Awkwafina, Tiffany Haddish, so many great people are in it. Yeah, it's awesome. Thank you. I bet everyone that's listening has seen it, hopefully. Hopefully. But they should see it again. And you also are, we did a full episode with you as well.

Oh, yeah. Which I noticed you never tweeted. Did I not? No. I retweeted something. Did you? I'll tweet it out. Tweet it out.

I did take a look at the numbers and yours was the least watched. Okay, well, then I'll tweet it out. Yeah, but we've been releasing all the extended interviews on Netflix is a joke, their YouTube channel. So, look, if you want to make a day of it, go over to REM's YouTube. Go over to Netflix's YouTube. Day sorted. And then tonight, you and your kids have that going on. What were you watching again?

We talked about it hours ago when we started this episode. Oh, whatever that video was at the beginning. Oh, right. Yes. Okay. All right.

That's anything else you want to mention? No, no, that's it. All right. Well, uh, that's going to be it for us.

We will see you on our next episode of Are You Talking REM? And until then, we hope that you have found what you're looking for. Bye.