U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - R U Talkin' R.E.M. RE: ME? - Reveal

Episode Date: June 20, 2018

Adam Scott Aukerman make a splash this week as they discuss R.E.M.’s twelfth studio album, Reveal. We’ll find out who wins the award for “worst guy” and where the boys found themselves on the May 14th, 2001 release date before they dive into the album track-by-track. Plus, they plot out a hat trick in an episode of “Great Docs.”  This episode is sponsored by New West Records (www.arthurbuckmusic.com), The Sound of Vinyl (www.soundofvinyl.com/REM) and Mack Weldon (www.mackweldon.com code: REM).

Hey everyone, thanks for listening to Are You Talking R.E.M. Re-Me. And before we get to the show, we want to talk about, and this is very exciting, this week R.E.M. guitarist Peter Buck, Peter Dollar Bill himself, and acclaimed singer-songwriter Joseph Arthur released their debut album titled Arthur Buck via New West Records. Oh boy, oh boy oh boy now this album which was selected for an npr music first listen is available now at amazon.com and i've listened to it it's awesome yeah and we got sent uh free copies of it that i'm looking at right now signed by

peter dollar bill himself which is very exciting um Uncut Magazine noted that Peter Buck's chiming acoustic pattern echoes the sylvan glory of... Who is this guy trying to impress? Sylvan glory. Sylvan glory of R.E.M.'s Out of Time, setting up the LP's prevailing theme of hopeful anticipation. Uncut Magazine, get over yourself. Clean out your desk.

R.E.M.''s Peter Buck and Joseph Arthur will head out on the first ever Arthur Buck tour in September. Bro, I hope they play L.A. Do you think they'll play L.A.? I would imagine they would, and guess what? It's a big city. Guess what? If they do, guess what? Guess, I can't guess.

I probably won't hear about it and won't go because I didn't even know about it. Let's go. We should go. If they do, we have to go. Visit ArthurBuckMusic.com. That's A-R-T-H-U-R-B-U-C-K. Music? Do I have to spell that out?

Music? No. ArthurBuckMusic.com for more information. Go get this record. It's not every day when a member of Hariem puts out a record. This is very exciting. And now, on with the show. From Chronic to Collapse, Town and Into Now, respectively, that is,

this is Are You Talkin' R.E.M. Re-Me, the comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things this is good rock and roll music and actually it's more like are you talking REM reveal shut up fucking asshole um because we're talking uh this episode about the Shut up. Fucking asshole. Because we're talking this episode about the classic Harium album. Classic. Reveal. Welcome to the show.

Welcome back. We're going to be talking about Reveal today and all things Harium circa the last few years of the 90s and the first year of the 2000s. Who the fuck knows? We might talk about Y2K. Oh, shit. Yeah. I'm still scared that that's going to hit us when we least expect it. Because, you know, when you least expect it, not at the turn of the century.

Like 18 years later yeah it's like oh boy we sure survived that Y2 what the Y2 K

now I'm not ready good one good one welcome back to the show if you've heard previous episodes and if not and this is your first one

why are you starting with this one weird choice weird thing to do weird choice but we're happy we're happy we're happy to have you we'll take all comers um yeah we will shut up i what what do you mean what why are your eyes your eyebrows are still waggling up and down like lasciviously um welcome the show. My name is Scott Aukerman, and across from me is my co-host, Ghosted, back on TVs now. As a matter of fact, we didn't mention that last episode.

I didn't... It was a last-minute decision. It was a real sneaker. You mean by not making any commercials or putting it? Actually, I think they did. No, it was just under the wire. It was a real squeaker. Got that in there.

Yeah. But I did not know about it. We would have talked about it and hyped it, but people can still be watching it. Yeah, it's the new Paul Lieberstein from The Office came in and got a new room of writers. Kicked everybody's asses right in the asshole. Not that the writers before weren't terrific.

But just fresh blood. The show is in title and characters only. Essentially, it's totally different. You're not even speaking English on it anymore. Nope. It's all Spanish. And then Craig Robinson speaks Greek. He's a Greek, yeah.

And a bunch of new characters who just serve as translators. Yep. But they don't translate into English. Yeah, no, of course not. And there are no supernatural elements anymore in the show, is that correct? Well, I wouldn't want to spoil anything.

But when the characters die, they do go to heaven, which is sort of spooky. The second half of the six episode block takes place in heaven. Just, yeah. So spoiler alert. But heaven with quotations.

Yeah, spoiler alert. All the characters, there's a mass brutal killing of all of them from a serial killer. Really, really brutal and nightmarish. Nightmarish. Disturbing. Just carotid arteries and just spewing

blood. Stabbings. Yeah, so it's a fun time. You can catch that. It's really funny. On Fox Rocks. Fox Rocks. Fox Rocks! But from Ghosted, Adam Scott is here. Hello, Adam. Hello.

We're a little bit earlier than we normally are today. We're approximately five to six to seven hours earlier than we record. You're right. You know? Because usually we're like middle of the night. Hey, let's meet at one in the morning. Under deep cover. Yeah, exactly.

Under the cover of darkness. Let's sneak out and not tell our wives we're doing this. yeah exactly let's sneak cover of darkness sneak out uh and not tell our wives we're doing this yeah let's go record let's go record and if they ever catch us we'll say we're recording and we'll just play these yeah we'll we'll play the episodes for them and say see yeah this is what we were actually doing that way we'll trick them into listening to the show. Yeah, and they'll love REM after it. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Thanks for listening and being loyal listeners. Not a lot of listener mail this week, although we did get a wonderful little missive from Kevin

at New West Records who sent us the and I believe we talked about it in our little pre-roll ad but

sent us the new Arthur Buck record yeah which just was literally given to us as we walked in here so we haven't had

a chance to listen to the whole thing. But sent us vinyl, CD, and also autographed liner notes. Autographed by both of the dudes. It's so cool. Joseph Arthur and Peter Buck. Well, I said it before you, so I'm cool. You sure did.

I've listened to the three tracks that they had released from arthur buck and it's awesome uh and you can definitely hear peter buck's signature radness and he also is in the back saying stuff the entire time so like it's not like joseph arthur is he's the main singer yeah and you're yeah you're gonna get a lot of Joseph Arthur but Peter Buck is behind him like just constantly mumbling and just like you know I'm Peter Buck I'm Peter Buck making drum noises with his mouth

and then occasionally you can hear Joseph Arthur saying like no we already recorded the drums you don't have to do that and he's like I'm Peter Buck I don't care to do that. And he's like, I'm Peter Buck. I don't care. And then he goes. At the end of every song. Yep.

It's really a great time. So I haven't heard it yet, obviously. This is just from the reviews that I've read in the Village Voice. Yeah, they quote everything that Peter Buck says. And they have done music notation for all of the drums that we just did. So you knew exactly. So we knew, yeah. They also said he perfectly imitates the opening drums of Ozzy Osbourne

Over the Mountain at one point where it's like. Yeah. And you got that from. I don't know if people know this, but through this whole podcast, we've never listened to any of the R.M. albums. No, no, we're hearing all this for the first time. Village voice. Yeah, yeah. In fact, we've turned it down in our headphones.

When we play it for the audience, we take our headphones off. Yes, exactly. And we are merely reacting to what the cultural elite think of these records. Yeah, we as people would never. We the people. Boy, that Constitution. Is that what it was on or is that the Declaration of Independence? I get those motherfuckers all turned around.

I believe we the people is the Declaration of Independence. Those were a couple of great docs. Oh, man, great docs. Weren't they? Wait, is this an episode of Great Docs? I think it is. Doctor, doctor, give me the news. I got a bad case of loving you.

Hey, everyone. Welcome to Great Docs. This is Scott. And this is Scott. And today we're talking about great docs, be them documents, be them documentaries, and I'll tell you- Doctors. Doctors, of course, yeah.

About medical doctors. And if we can get all three That's the hat trick What would be great is go for an annual checkup And there's a document sitting there in a chair when you get there

And you're listening to the album document And you have a documentary playing on your That's the dream buddy That is the dream How about this one? What's up, Doc?

I've never heard that before. Who? Bugs Bunny. Who's that? It's a cartoon. Warner Brothers cartoon. It's a bug? No, no.

It's a... It's a... Like an insect? Huh. I think it's a rabbit. It's a rabbit, right? No, it's an insect. You said bugs.

Oh, maybe it's an insect. It's like a swarm of bees? Bugs Bunny. I always thought it was a rabbit, but now that you're saying that, it makes sense. It's a rabbit, right? No, it's an insect. You said bugs. Oh, maybe it's an insect. It's like a swarm of bees. Bugs bunny. I always thought it was a rabbit, but now that you're saying that, it makes sense. It's a swarm of bees. A swarm of bees that says, what's up, Doc? It's in the form of a rabbit, but it's just millions of bees tightly compacted. I love it.

I love it. What else does he do? He goes, what's up, Doc? You said that before. I already said that one. Yeah, but I love it so much the second time. What else does he do? Oh, he eats a carrot.

He eats? What? While he who? Can I start over? Yeah, go ahead. It's a rabbit, but it's actually bees, right? Yeah. And he says, what's up, Doc?

Got it. While eating a carrot. Right. While eating, like he's eating the carrot. He goes. So is it like sort of like. What's up, Doc? So it's like eating a carrot. Right. While eating, like, he's eating the carrot. He goes. So is it, like, sort of like. What's up, doc? So it's like he has his mouth full when he's saying it?

A little bit. A little bit. I would think it's rude if it wasn't just a cartoon, so it's fake, so it's fine. Yeah, it is a little rude. Yeah, yeah. If it was a person. It's like, don't chew with your mouth open. Yeah.

It's kind of. But it's a cartoon, so they don't chew. It's a cartoon, so I still think. Wait, you didn't say this is a cartoon. It's a cartoon. Oh, I'm not interested okay alright we'll see you next time

thanks bye bye doctor doctor give me the news I got a bad case for loving you good app

yeah yeah very very good very like in depth oh good very good in depth

and eye opening by the way you finally opened your eyes. I really appreciate it. We are taping this earlier than normal, and I half thought you were sleep-talking during this. No, no, no. I just don't open my eyes until halfway through the day. Really?

Okay, and we're officially halfway through the day. And I drove here. That's crazy. Yeah. Did you do it with muscle memory? I believe this is when I turn off the freeway. Well, belief is a big part of it. Yeah.

Honestly, if you believe you can drive with your eyes closed, I bet you could. You could do anything. If you truly believe. You could fly. Yeah, like my favorite musician once sang. Yes. Raquel-y? Urkel-y. Urkel-y. You could fly. Yeah, like my favorite musician once sang. Yes. Rakelly?

Urkelly. Urkelly. Urkel. Urkel Y. The guy that pisses on children and totally gets away with it? Yeah, that guy. If it was pronounced Urkel Y, and he just came out, and he, I don't even want to go down this road. And he urinated on

Yeah, and then he said, did I do that? That's it. This is not funny. This is bumming me out. We don't need to keep going. I don't like, I just don't like this guy. I don't like this guy. I don't like this guy, Adam. I like that guy. Which guy? Who's the worst guy? The worst guy?

Yeah. Out of all guys. Living or dead, by the way way oh oh so i could pick dead ones yeah pick someone really good um uh jfk yeah he was terrible yeah i i'm just like I'm sick of hearing about him. That's the thing. It's like, look, does every single person who ever lived get to have a three-hour movie about them? It's like, what's the cutoff? Oh, I love the movie. Oh, the movie's great. Yeah.

I love it. But it's like, come on, guys. After I watch the movie, do I really need to pay attention to the guy? I just pretend. When I watch, since I don't really care for JFK, when I watch the movie, I just pretend it's about someone else. Yeah, and you put your hand over him like in front of your eye anytime he's on the screen. Who were you pretending it was about? R. Kelly.

This is a good ep of something. I wish we had gone into something. It seems like it was something. Yeah, but we'll never know. Wait, is this an episode of Seems Like a Good Ep? I believe so. Of something? I believe so.

of seems like a good ep i believe of something i believe so hey everyone welcome to i believe this is an episode of something this is scott and this is scott and uh i believe this is an episode of the show that we're actually doing yeah i i mean i i believe this is an episode of this is an episode of something. This is an episode of something. Wait, I believe I can fly? I believe. Is that something? Sure. Urkel, why?

Are you saying this is an episode of I believe I can fly? No, because that's not anything. That's not a show. I believe this is an episode of something. So what you're saying is the episode we're doing, the show we're doing is called something? So this is an episode of something? No, no, no. The show we're doing is I believe this is an episode of something.

But I believe this is an episode of that, definitely. Oh, well, yeah. This is definitely an episode of that. But I also believe that this is an episode of something? Something. I'm game. Okay. So we're talking about two different shows.

A totally different show called Something. There's one show that we're definitely doing called I Believe This Is An Episode Of Something. And then there's an episode of I Believe We're Doing An Episode Of Something. Okay. Hey, everyone. welcome to Something. This is Scott. And this is Scott. And this is Something?

We're definitely doing an episode of Something. I mean, this is Something. Oh, beyond. This is Something. This is definitely Something. It's easy to create Something. Yes. You know, you can say, this this is something and just hold your hand out. Of course.

What's not easy is destroying something. Yeah. Because even if you – what are you going to do? Incinerate it down to its last atom? I don't think so. It's always going to be something. It's always, always, always going to be something. It's always, always, always going to be something

because, Scott, as we all know, even air... Is something. Molecules. We named it. Of course it exists. Air is something. That is something.

Even the absence of air. That's something. That's something. That's what we call a vacuum. Precisely. So it's something right there. Yeah. All right. Thanks. This is a vacuum. So it's something right there. Yeah. All right.

Thanks. This is a great episode. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Okay. So I think this is an episode of Something You Were Right. And we'll see you next time.

Thanks. Bye. Okay. Bye. Bye. You were right. And we'll see you next time. Thanks.

Bye. Okay. Bye. Two good shows. Terrific shows. Hit shows. Solid episodes. Hit shows.

Huge hits. Those are, I mean, talk about a hit show. Talk about a WTF style just swung on and knocked out of the park. Ripping up the charts. Just ripping up the charts and farting up the rips. Just farting, just ripping it all over the charts. I feel like I'm in a photo shoot now. He's getting angles. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, this is the part of the show, by the way, where Adam fiddles with his microphone constantly. I was so low, I realized I was hunching over. Yeah, you're hunching over and now you're in it. I'm Kumpf. Yeah. Full Kumpf. Wait, is this another episode of Bro, I'm Kumpf?

I think so. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Bro, I'm Kumpf. This is Scott. And this is Scott. And we haven't done this in a couple of weeks, but Bro, I am Comf. Bro.

And I'm not just saying this because we're doing the show Bro, I'm Comf. Bro, I am Comf. Note taken. All right, we'll see you next time. Thanks, bye. Bye. Bye.

That one was not to my taste. It was fine. It was fine. It's fine, but, you know, I mean, when a great show is just fine and not great, I should be satisfied because it's better than 99% of the things out there, but it's not at the level that I expect. But don't you think even if a great show sometimes has an episode that's just, eh, it's fine, it's still a great show? Yeah, but I'm dissatisfied because it's not as good as it can be,

and I feel bad. But if it's better than so much out there, you know? No, I hear you. I mean, I can remember one episode of Comedy Bang Bang that was like an A-minus instead of an A. And I was like, honestly, I was a little pissed. Yeah, it's a real fucking bummer. Had we done an episode of Bro, I'm Comf? Yeah, we had a couple weeks ago.

We did? Yes. Are you serious? Yes, you got to listen to this show. You'll love it. Bro, I'm Comf. Not this one. Bro, I'm Comf. It was called that wasn't it wasn't

it called bro yeah okay sometimes i don't always get it right but uh i did i did definitely um are we still doing that episode no okay are we out of it we yeah we're out of it yeah we ripped it up yeah we ripped it out what what have you been doing this week? Give the listeners a peek into the life of Adam Scott. Well, you know, a lot of around the house stuff. I've been working. You a handyman these days? A little handier than I care to admit there. You're more like a handsy man, actually, when it comes to Naomi.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, hey. Ho, ho, ho, ho. Hey, ho, ho. Hey, hey, hey. Ho, ho, ho, ho. Hey, ho, ho. How about you? This week, I've been working. I've been jerking. Oh, shit.

And just, that's about 50-50, my man. Yeah. I had to go out of town a little bit. Where'd you go? Went up to Monterey. When you say you had to go. Well, I was working up there. Oh, you were working up there?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Were you doing, is that where Big Little whatever it's called is set? Monterey? Monterey what? Monterey Park? Where you get good dim sum out there? Yep.

That's where we shoot the show. In Monterey Park. Monterey Park. Wow, okay. Sounds beautiful there. I got to go there someday. How's it been going? It's been going great.

Have you had any scenes with, you know who I'm talking about? Oh. You know who I'm talking about? It's been announced, right? You don't know who I'm talking about? I'm talking about Streep Dog. Oh, she's wonderful. Yeah, but have you gone toe-to-toe with her in the acting department?

I can't spoil anything on the show. Okay, so you can't say if you have scenes with her, but did you at least like, you know, how like new person in the prison yard you go up to and just try to intimidate them? You do that with a little street dog? Oh, yeah, we all had to do that. One by one.

She had to just sit there and take it? Oh, yeah. Well, you know, there's a certain amount of hazing that goes on. Oh, yeah. What are the rituals when it comes to Big Little Lies hazing? Man, you have no idea. It's just crazy. I don't.

That's why I asked you. Yeah, I literally, the ball was in your court at this point. Yeah, no, I mean, you have, I mean. I don't know. No, you're about to say I have no idea. Yeah, I literally don't know when I ask you the question. No, but I'm being serious now. You truly have no idea.

I am in total agreement on this. I have no idea and not even a thought. You couldn't even guess. I'm not trying to guess. I'm literally just asking you to fill in the blanks on this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, all right. Well.

No idea. So you were up there. Yeah. And how many days did you spend up there? Not a ton. You know, it's a little bit of back and forth. Not 2,000 pounds worth? A little bit of back and forth up there.

A little BNF, huh? A little bit of BNF. You're going up there, coming back down, going up there, coming back down. Do, do, do, do, back and forth. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. If you could drive, I mean, speaking of R.E.M. songs, drive. If you could be in a self-driving car that just like took you where you wanted to go. Sure.

It was like a chauffeur. It was like I've heard of driving Miss Daisy, but what about driving Mr. Adam over here? Love that. Love it. Would you give it the voice of Morgan Freeman? I guess that's probably one of the options. Has he, before all of his recent troubles, has he recorded every single street name? Yeah.

What recent troubles? I don't know. Okay, so the question is, would I give it the voice of Morgan Freeman? And would you sit in the back seat? Would I sit in the – would you sit in the back seat in a self-driving car? Yeah, why not? By yourself. By myself and just whatever happens, happens.

Just give it up to God. One of those killed someone again recently. Recently? How recent? Like last week. Really? Yes. Oh? Yes. Oh, man.

Well, you know, I mean, real cars kill way more people. Okay. So let's just let this thing happen. But you know what I mean? Like, Bill, I guess some people would go, yeah, but if I was driving it, it wouldn't have. No, you're more likely to have an accident when you're driving. Right. You know what I mean?

Like if two accidents out of all the self-driving cars, them's good odds as far as I'm concerned. But don't you think that the amount of self-driving cars is pretty low? Yeah, maybe. But I would say statistically, you're probably safer in a self-driving car. Is it legal yet to just have a self-driving car? I don't know. Probably not because they'll have to come out with a bunch of regulations or something. But here's the other thing. How do we know this wasn't a murder? Yeah. You know what I mean?

They're all like, oh, our self-driving car messed up. And it just happens to be this person that owed me a bunch of money or I owed a bunch of money too, I guess. And self-driving cars, could they go on trial for murder? Yes, but it would have to be a jury of self-driving cars. And I guess the judge would be. The judge would have to be a self-driving car. I think what we're doing right now is we're pitching cars for. Yeah.

It's a murder mystery. It's a murder mystery. It's like Clue except with self-driving cars. The Owen Wilson car. What's it called? Dash Grab'em? Yeah. Or what is it?

Dash Grab'em. It kills someone because it's a self-driving car and it's been programmed to- To just kill people. And then Paul Newman comes back from the dead and is the judge again. Yeah. And just goes on trial and- And then Bonnie Hunt is the one that was murdered. Yeah, exactly.

And her ghost comes in. She has to testify. She has to testify. But she wants to help out because she knows that Owen Wilson didn't, you know. Dash grab him. Dash grab him. And didn't have, like, you know, didn't have a bone to pick with her, you know. Or an axle to pick with her, I guess is what you would say.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's cars. Yeah, this is yeah, yeah. Because it's cars. Yeah, this is a good pitch. Oh, this is great. How soon can you get to the studio? I can... On one of your trips up to Monterey, you want to make a little side trip

over to Pixar? To the old R? Yeah. You want to get up there? I call it R. Why do you call it R? Just because, you know, if I'm in a hurry and stuff.

Why not call it Pix? Yeah. I can't. What about this? What about this? Is this anything? Pixar Kelly. Yeah.

That's great. We should do that and the Cars pitch all at once. Yeah, all at once. Let's time together though. Yep. Time all up. And we'll say like,

guess who does the song during the credits? It's Pixar Kelly. He's willing to change his name. And they're like, what the fuck? They're like, what? They're like, okay, now listen to this. And we pitch.

What if they loved the movie? We lightning mcqueen being a murderer they love that part of it but then we get to it this is non-negotiable pixar good stuff all right look we need to take a break when we come back we're going to be talking about um the band hariam uh as we have been exclusively for the past half hour and their 2001 album Reveal and I'm excited to hear what you think about it and I wonder

if you're excited to hear what I think about it I am, I am excited, although I do feel like well we can talk about it, alright let's talk about it when we get back and that's a great tease that you have something that you wonder so we'll talk about it. All right, let's talk about it when we get back. And that's a great tease, that you have something that you wonder. So we'll talk about that after the break. We will be right back with more Are You Talking to R.E.M. Remy after this.

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Little G-Dog Grigro. Grigro. Little G-Dog Grigro. That's what a lot of people call granola. Oh, of course. Yeah, of course. G-Dog Grigro. Grigro. G-Dog Grigro. That's what a lot of people call Grigro. Oh, of course. Yeah, of course. When we last talked about R.E.M., we were in 1999, and we were talking about the Man on the Moon soundtrack,

and this album comes out a scant year and a half later, May 14th, 2001. A spring release, which is unusual for them. Is this, I meant to look this up, is this the only spring release record that they've done? No, Accelerate. And I believe Collapse Into Now. Really? If I'm not mistaken. Accelerate, And I believe collapse into now. Really?

If I'm not mistaken. Accelerate. Is that like Excel? You mean the operating system? Yeah, the operating. Yes. Great. Good start.

Yeah. Oh, man. We're cooking. Cooking with petrol. Okay. So let's talk about May 14, 2001. Where is Adam? He's excited about a new REM record, I would imagine, because the last proper release is up in 96, right?

98. 98, sorry. Which I thought was a masterpiece, underappreciated. And you went around telling everyone and telling Naomi. God, I really feel like Up was underappreciated. Oh, I for sure was saying, telling Naomi all about it. We should call her. Never.

She doesn't want to be on this show? I just think there would be too many embarrassing things about me and R.E.M. You already tell them. That's true. Yeah, and I remember right before the album came out, Bono put out like a soundbite about this album like a couple weeks before it came out. Why didn't he just talk about it? Why reduce it down to a soundbite? I wonder why he,

maybe they were on tour or something and he got interviewed and he said, oh, this new R.E.M. album, it's gonna freak everyone out. It's gonna knock your dick into your butt, something like that. And speaking of which, by the way, speaking of U2,

putting it in context of U2 releases, U2 released All That You Can't Leave Behind. Before this. Yeah, in the fall of 2000. In the fall of 2000. So these are coming out right around. And the U2 record, giant hit. Return to form for them.

Massive singles and a tour that I saw twice. They went around the world so much. And then, so what are you doing May 14th, 2001? What's your- Well, it was an exciting time. Ooh. I had gotten my first big part, the previous fall. Is this the Hellraiser?

No, this was. Had you done Hellraiser at this point? Which Hellraiser were you in? Yeah, that was like my very first job. Which one? It was Hellraiser Bloodline. Bloodline, okay. So that was in like 1994.

Okay, great. So this is, oh, it's right after the drive video do they see you in the that split second in the drive video they're like we got to get that guy in to race um anyway i got my first big part in a movie in the morgan freeman movie actually cool um and and then and so that kind of carried into 2001 a bit. And then I got a pilot for a show called The Court. Now, I thought you didn't do TV. Because I remember reading that Bono quote in USA Today in Washington, D.C., where we were shooting this pilot. Okay, so you were doing a pilot for what is this called?

The Court? The Court. And this is about a basketball court that comes to life? That's right. What is this? It was an hour-long drama about the Supreme Court starring Sally Field and... Really? Yeah. Interesting. And what did you play? It was about the the...

Oh, the clerks. The Supreme Court clerks. Right court clerks right they're like star lost if you were in england you would call it a clark sure uh and we all got fired everyone except sally field got fired and they went and made the show like a year later and it with sally field and a bunch of other people not you yes so the free free man became a free man after he got fired? Who, Morgan Freeman? Morgan Freeman? No, that was a movie.

Oh, that was a movie. Oh, okay. So I was wondering if he would get fired. But so you don't, you, you. Brian Cox was one of the other people. Brian Cox? He's great. So everyone gets fired but Sally Field.

And this is in what, in the middle of a scene? No, we made it. It got picked up for season one. And then we were supposed to start shooting. And I went and looked at the set. And it was all happening. And then it got really quiet for a while. That is the nightmare scenario.

Because as an actor, you're so like, pilot season, pilot season. And then I got a pilot. Oh, my God. Oh, I hope it gets picked up. I hope it gets picked up. I hope it gets picked up. It fucking got picked up. And then you start spending the money in your mind. And then that is such a terrible call when you get the call like,

hey, they're reshooting all of your scenes with someone else. I mean, I went to wardrobe fittings and the set was really cool. Is this what happened, though? You were at a wardrobe fitting and something uh went awry and they were like let's fire this guy yeah i think i think it was um just the way i kind of did my buttons or maybe it was the way i tied my it was the way i tied my tie how'd you tie your tie tie? I mean, I put the tie on, just kind of around over the shoulders with the shirt on. Right. Yeah, shirt on, of course. Yeah.

You seem to be asking me a question right now. No, I'm just kind of confirming with you that this is all normal. Okay. And then I take my pants off. Okay. See, here's the problem. What's that? All right, you've said I take my pants off.

Right. People don't want to see that at a wardrobe fitting. But I had to tie my tie. Wait, and can I ask you, in this show, were you supposed to be tying your tie a lot?

Like, any time you went into court? Yeah, I mean, every time I... It was my signature move was I tied... I had a different color tie. And you take your pants down like you're... I take my pants down when I tie the tie, and so that's just part of how I do it. Yeah,

this is no good. Anyway, we all got fired. You ever been in a bathroom when someone goes into the urinal and takes their pants all the way down to their ankles? I remember in elementary school, that happening a lot. And so when I see an adult do it, it's incredible. It's like a unicorn. I mean, a unicorn doesn't exist. It's like one of the most rare things, but any time it happens. It's a great bit. People are not doing it as a bit. No, I know, but if you do do it as a bit, it's a great bit.

It's a great bit with your friends, but to see it happen, it's unnerving. So you're fired. Are you married at this point or what? No. I get fired from the show. you get fired from your tv show the movie's not out yet but when reveal came out specifically i was the show had just been picked up for the season so this is may because pilots they all pick them up in may and they may did you go to like new york to to announce it and all that? Did they fly the cast out?

No. Not me. I think Sally Field. Of course, yeah. I think it was Alicia Witt maybe was the lead of the show. I don't know. Gosh, I don't know. Billy Burks maybe?

I don't remember. Some good shit there. Do you have a copy of yourself in it? I do not. That's too bad. We've got to dig that up. You know what? I will say that I was like, I'm going to dive into the research about the Supreme Court.

And so I read a couple, like there's this book, One L, the Scott Turow book, which is a really good book, but. And you're reading about the Supreme Court and you're like, Roe v. Wade, what is this thing? Yeah. We have to get rid of this. What I realized was that the Supreme Court is kind of boring, like dramatically. What they do is fascinating. Actually, reading some of the briefs are really interesting.

Right. But as a show. No, because how often are you like, hey, Sotomayor, get in here. You got to see this. Right. You know, see this. Right. You know, and so much of like one hour dramas are like people rushing down hallways of like, hey, something just happened. Yeah.

And the Supreme Court by its nature takes a long time. Like they take forever to make decisions. And they take so much time off as well. Like, you know, they're not hanging out together all the time. Like if they were hanging out together in a house like the real world. Right. Then maybe there's a show. That's the show.

That's what we need to do. That's what Donald Trump needs to do. And I think if Pixar Kelly does the theme song, then it's a surefire hit. How is Sally Field? She's great. I worked with her once. I thought she was awesome. Yeah.

She was in this movie, Little Evil, I did just like a year and a half ago. I love her. She's the best. And that was a big hit. Yeah. Yeah, she was great. And did she remember you from the Supreme Court? Or did you ever bring it up? I never even mentioned it.

I bet you didn't because you're a coward. And so that just got picked up um and do you remember going to the record store to pick up this record speaking of getting picked up yeah oh yeah i'm i don't remember specifically but i'm sure i went at midnight uh tower there's a tower records in glendale actually yeah if you lived in silver lake it was was really close. It was easy, yeah. Did you ever go to that one? I never went to that one. I would go to the one in the Valley. I was just thinking about this up until I moved in 2002 to an apartment just down there.

But up before that, I went to the Van Nuys Tower all the time. I went there at midnight on Tuesday. On Ventura. On Mondays rather, on Ventura. I went to it all the time. There was a tower and then across the street, there was something called Moby disc, which was used. I went there like three or four days a week. Yeah. Oh, I would go to the tower in Glendale, like every day. Yeah. And just, uh, and, and I, so, and before that I went to the tower in

Orange County and Buena park and just like constantly looking at like – and there's nothing – like now with the internet, you always hear about a new release. People are trying to surprise you a little more by surprise releasing. But I remember back in the day, I'd be like – I'd look up at one of my favorite bands and be surprised that, oh, my God, there's a new single out. Yeah. Or it was something – if it wasn't the biggest band in the world, you sometimes would not hear about it. Yeah. And he would just be like, oh, a new singles ad, oh, I can buy this.

And you buy that and then rush over to the imports to see if there's a different B-side on the import version. Yeah. And then you would have your eye on a couple singles or CDs or something, and you just keep going back every day and kind of looking at them.

Should I spend $17.99? And I would just, like, slip them into my backpack and just walk out and hope that they – Yeah, hope it doesn't trigger the sensor. Those are good times. Yeah, steal everything. Steal everything. Everything. Oh, so good. So would you say May 2000 was an exciting time for you because you feel as if your career is finally on that hotline to heaven?

May 2001? 2001, that's right. Yeah, I was so excited to be on a show that got picked up. Little did I know that I was soon to be crushed. But yeah, I was excited. What were you doing, Scott? Let's see. 2000, I had just moved into that apartment, into my own apartment.

I was living by myself for the first time in a long time. Where was this apartment? The apartment was over by the – sort of over by the Hollywood Bowl, kind of by the Hollywood and Highland-ish. It had a really good view of the Capitol Records building. That's cool. That's cool. It was a double-level apartment. It was an upstairs and a downstairs. Oh, wow.

And you were by yourself? And I was by myself. It wasn't like a lot – it was a one-bedroom, but it was a cool layout where it was like on two levels. It was very cool. So what was downstairs and what was upstairs? Downstairs was where we kept the servants' quarters. Yeah. How many servants did you have?

And upstairs, yeah, you know, a good 50 or so, you know, for a single gentleman. Yeah, in a one-bedroom, you've got to have 50 people working there. No, upstairs was a bedroom and a bathroom. Downstairs was living room and kitchen. Okay. But it felt big because it had stairs. Oh, yeah, that's awesome. And it had a big view of Hollywood and stuff.

It was very cool. I remember having a one bedroom was something. I remember seeing that as like an extravagance that there's no way I was. Because you always had roommates? No, because I always had a studio apartment oh okay I kind of gave up on the roommate thing eventually yeah it's a pain in the ass yeah I had some great ones along the way but but living by yourself is so much better yeah I remember at this place uh you would park down below and then I would take an elevator up past the first floor, past the second floor, and I was on the third floor, right? And I had the third and fourth floor basically in my apartment. And I remember, I remember.

Did you have an entrance on both levels? No, just, but I had a balcony on the fourth floor. But I remember very vividly having a poker game over – I met you at a poker game. So with that normal group of people and getting home at 4.30 in the morning – and this is not a huge apartment complex. This is like maybe 25 apartments or whatever. complex. This is like maybe 25 apartments or whatever. And I'm in the bottom level and going like, oh, there's no one who's going to step into this elevator. And in between the parking level and my apartment, I let out just the loudest, smelliest fart. Yeah. And then at the first level, the doors open, and there's someone waiting to get in, and it's 4.30 in the morning.

So there's no way it's anyone else. It's anyone else, and I'm like, I panic and I get out on the first level. Amazing. I say, hello, and I get out, and I leave them in the elevator going up, and then I'm like, what the fuck? What the fuck do I do?

And then I had to figure out how to like walk up some stairs to get to my apartment. That's my major memory with that place. That's spring of 2001 for you? Spring of 2001. I'm still there. Is this building still there? Because I know they tore down a lot of stuff. No, it's still there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they built something right next to it because it was a vacant lot right next to it for a long time. Do you remember what your rent was? Yeah, it was $1,200. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was – I mean not great, but it was – and especially considering my rent before that was $335. $335? Yeah.

So when I had a roommate, we split like a $770 two-bedroom place. But better location, being alone. Yeah, if you can afford it, that's great. Yeah, I was writing movies and stuff. So it was fine. I was in a weird place with the career because we had just shot the Mr. Show movie. Oh, right. Literally in November, in the fall of 2000 because I was there during the George W. Bush election.

And the whole electoral college thing was going on and I was – That's right. All that just – All that I was in Atlanta watching on TV. And I was basically like the Mr. Show movie has been talked about. It was a big problem and failure. It was a bit of a mixed experience. A shit show.

I flew myself out there to shadow the production and to be helpful and to write and stuff like that. And the first scene of my first day when I was there for a week, I was told to get the fuck off set first day when i was there for a week uh i was told to get the fuck off set and so i was there for a week uh basically just in my hotel room watching not allowed to go on set like uh stop talking to people get the fuck out of here all because i had an opinion on which shirt David Cross should wear. And by the way, not by David.

Yeah, not David Cross. And then this is around the time when we saw the edit of it and realized how bad it was. And then I also was fired off of a movie at this time as well, a movie I was writing. So it was a very career-wise – We both got fired in 2001. Yes. That's a tough – that first getting – that was my first time getting fired. Yeah.

It's hard. No, I think I've talked about this on another show. I had this kind of like, my comedy career was, start doing comedy. Bob Odenkirk saw me the second time, said, hey, come write on my show. Went and wrote on the show, got an Emmy nomination.

And then it's like, hey, come do a movie. And in my head, we're like, oh yeah, we're making The Holy Grail. Same group of people. Same group of people. We're gonna go make a classic. Yeah, gonna make a classic.

And then right in 2001, like literally while I was on set in that week in Atlanta, I was also fired off the movie I was writing. Oh, man. And this comes out and we're fired. We're essentially fired off this movie. And I was like, what's happening? My career was going so well. So I thought it was all over.

Yeah, and when that happens for the first time, you think that that's it. Yeah, yeah. It's all done, and you're never going to work again. No, I got another movie that I was writing at the end of 2001, don't worry. And I was fired off of that one, too.

But for writers, it happens all the time. It's like transactional. Yeah, the first one wasn't even my fault. I was fired before I ever turned in a single But for writers, it happens all the time. Happens all the time, yeah. It's like transactional. Yeah. The first one wasn't even my fault. I was fired before I ever turned in a single page. Yeah. It's a bummer, but it just happens.

Yeah, it just happens. Being told to get the fuck off set is not something that happens all the time. So that's where I was, and I will say that, okay, so that particular apartment that I was in, I remember owning this record in. I remember I bought this record. Oh, you did. You got revealed. I did buy this record because I'll tell you what happened was I had two – I don't know if you can relate to this, but I had two 300-disc changers, 300-CD changers. And I bought one, and it was great.

It was – it would – because I have a lot of CDs, right? And I like to listen to music on random. Like my dream – I remember I had a roommate in 1990 that had a six-disc changer in one of those console stereos, you know? And I was like, oh, shit, this is amazing. And you can put it on random, right? You could put six totally different CDs in there, listen to the songs on random, and this is the dream. So you don't have to listen to one record all the way through.

And then I timed it. There was, while the discs were changing, every single time a song ended, it would have to change discs. And I timed it once. It was 17 seconds of just like whirring and pausing while you're waiting to hear another song. Is that why you got another one? So here's what happened. So I got this 300-disc changer, and it still had the same problem.

It was a little quicker, but it would still like, it was a carousel. Mechanically, what it's doing is actually pretty complicated. same problem it was a little quicker but it would still like it was a carousel mechanically what it's doing is actually pretty complicated yes it's like taking a cd away from the laser that's reading it and then moving the carousel around to another random disc and then inserting that into the hole and having the laser read that but it was still like taking too long for a 300 disc thing but what i found was i could buy another 300-disc changer, hook it up using a cord, and they had a thing

where it would alternate between the two. So you could play a song. Wait, they did this on purpose? They did this on purpose, yeah. So it was two of the exact same things. If you attach them with a special cord, then you could play a random... They could fill each other's gaps.

You could play... Hey. Sorry. You could play a random song on the first one, and then the second that song ended, a song on the second one would play. Oh, so then it's queuing up the next one. Yeah, and there's no gap. So I had 600 CDs going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

So what I would do is, at the I probably had, you know, 3,000 CDs. So I would just make best ofs of every band that I had. I would burn them with a burner that I had. And so I would get like, this is around the time that I like technically bought the REM records that I hadn't had just for the singles. So I can make burner CDs off of them, but I never listened to them. I just like, you know, burned those songs. So, so I do happen to know three of the songs on this record before I listened to it, Imitation of Life, All the Way to Reno, and I'll Take the Rain. Those are the three that I know. Um, and I remember having it in this actual apartment and I moved out of this

apartment at the end of 2001. So I think I'm, I don't think I bought it new, but I found it used at some point. Do you still have those CD changers or no, do you still have your CDs? I still have my CDs. Yeah. They're all in storage, but yeah, I still have them. Yeah. I kept, I eventually, it's cause it was taking up so much fucking room. I eventually put all mine in books. Did you put yours in books? No, no. I still have them. In the cases.

Yeah, yeah. I have like basically two of these walls full of the tall, you know, like eight feet storage things. I really regretted doing that. I regretted getting – because I threw out all the – All the art and all that? Well, you take the booklet out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. regretted get it because i threw out all the all the art and all that well all the cases yeah yeah um but i really regretted doing it eventually because like a friend of mine did it and i was like whoa that's a pretty major thing to do like you threw out all that and he's like you have no

idea traveling it's so fucking easy i can have all of my CDs with me. Not a big deal. Then another friend of mine did it, and he's like, you got to do it. It's changed my life. Right. So I was like, okay, and I did it. What year is this, by the way, that you're doing this? Oh, that was like 95, 96. So this is right before iPods come out. Yeah, well, no, I didn't get it.

iPods didn't come out until like 01. Yeah, that's true. No, that's true. Okay, so you had a good five years of being pretty portable. Yeah, and you would put it in your suitcase, but it's like a full booklet is like 25 pounds or something. Yeah, and you're carrying that around with you in your suitcase. But yeah, I eventually kind of regretted getting rid of all it

because I really do like the tactile. Well, my cool op uh keeps asking me when are you going to sell your cds when are you going to sell your cds and i'm like never yeah um i mean they're they're in storage i never get to see them but i i tell you quite often i'm like oh god i wish i had my cds in the house so i could check this thing in the artwork or whatever and i don't get to do it but i will say back on those shuffle the random shuffle thing when i finally got a computer and itunes and you could put it on shuffle and all that it was like the dream for me that i'd been dreaming about ever since you know 1990 with my

friend's six disc changer i was just like so excited of like yeah every single song i have you can just random just the shuffle yeah the shuffle part of it is was so exciting to me um that's uh yes interesting fuck what was i gonna no i was gonna say something god damn it uh were you gonna talk about getting rid of all your artwork or were you gonna talk about uh itunes finally getting a computer with itunes something connected to the artwork thing. Previous thing we were talking about? I was saying that Coolop is asking when I'm going to sell my CDs, and I'm saying never, even though I don't have them in the house.

This isn't what I was thinking of, but if you ever want to sell them, you're going to have to do it soon. Because soon no one will want them. Well, that's the whole point. But it'll be cool to have. It might be a cool thing to have. I also, with, you know, say I have 25,000 CDs or whatever, it's so time-consuming to sell them off one by one

that it's more like going to a store and saying, how much will you pay me for 25,000 CDs? Also, Amoeba, you bring them 25,000 CDs, they're only going to buy like 10,000. Well, no, it's more like saying to a store like that hey there's a collector who is willing you know like basically they hear this all the time of like this person wants to get rid of their entire collection how much will you will you buy the entire collection for and they're doing it for pennies on yeah the

dollar um so you know what i was gonna say is i I really do. Oh, finally. What do you got? I really do miss looking at the artwork. Because now if a new album comes out and I'm like, oh, God, I wonder who produced that. It's not always in the description on iTunes or whatever. So you have to Google. Sometimes it's just not available. It's a bummer.

We waited all that time for that? That's what it was. That's literally what I was thinking. All right. So let's talk about Reveal. What did you say that was so great? Yeah, nothing. I had a thing about two, 300 disc changers.

Yeah. Semi-interesting. All right. Let's talk about Reveal. Okay. So Reveal comes out and we both own the album at least you own it right away but I own it within a few

months I don't listen to it you listen to it right away Imitation of Life came out before oh yeah April 30th so it came out just a couple weeks before yeah just a couple of weeks should we listen to some songs or should we take a break I don't know what do you think let's listen to a song fuck breaks or should we take a break? Yeah, let's – I don't know.

What do you think? Let's listen to a song. Fuck breaks. No, let's take a break. All right, let's take a break. When we come back, we are going to be talking about, of course, the album Reveille. We'll be right back with more Are You Talking R.E.M. Rimi right after this. We're talking about love.

Hey, Adam. Yeah. Do you know Jonathan Van Ness from Queer Eye? Yep. Not personally, but I know. Not personally, but you've seen Queer Eye? Yeah, I love Queer Eye. Queer Eye was great.

It's terrific. I think I just said Quarry. Quarry. Quarry. They have new episodes coming up from what I hear. That was a quick turnaround. Well, they filmed them both at the same time. Oh, they did?

Yeah. Well, that's the reason. You got to read EW, my man. I guess I do. They could have put it out months ago then. They could have put it out at the same time. I don't know why they're teasing us. Anyway, did you know that he's one of the hosts, one of the five guys from Queer Eye?

Do you know he also has a podcast called Getting Curious? I knew that, yeah, and it's exciting that we're talking about it right now. And it's available right here on Earwolf. Oh. Yeah. He explores anything and everything under the sun. Shut up, shut up. He's part of the Earwolf family is what I was trying to say.

That's very exciting. And he explores anything and everything under the sun? Yeah, I guess. Okay. What does that mean, under the sun. Yeah, I guess. Okay. What does that mean? Under the sun? Well, why are you talking like this?

It's written on a piece of paper here. Oh, wait, you're reading. Wow. You were really selling it. Um, join Jonathan on the journey as he talks to experts in their fields and has

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That's what I want to hear. That's the show. He has in-depth, eye-opening conversations about topics like saving bees with a biology professor or learning how to do triple axles with olympian mirai nagasu hmm okay yep sounds good to me absolutely um and after you're done binge watching season two of queer eye which just came out on netflix you can get to know a different side of jonathan's co-stars with past episodes that feature Antoni Porowski and Karamo Brown. Those guys

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I haven't watched it. It was a while ago that I watched it. I just call him Frenchie. Yeah. Subscribe to Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness now on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, or wherever the fuck you listen. Are you talking R.E.M. Remy? This is the first song off of Reveal.

This is The Lifting. Is comforting but gravity is holding you Once set up into sleep you have watched On repeat the story of your life across the ceiling All right, the lifting. To the ground In one hand All right, the lifting. Were you singing... Great Beyond. Great Beyond. Because that chord change sounds like it.

Yeah. I never realized that before. Crashing to the ground What do you think? I have a... We'll play it a little in the background. Okay, so this is the first time I've heard this. Yeah.

Or, you know, I'm putting myself in the mind of the first time I heard it. I feel... I have a controversial opinion about this whole record. I like it a lot. The whole thing? The whole thing, yes. Oh, wow. This uh one of my favorites recently oh wow um i felt like this was like such a step forward sonically for them it's like oh

okay uh this is a uh they're they're finally it sounded modern to me for the first time. Like they're, rather than experimenting, they're mastering these more electronic instruments? Yes. Like for me, for me,

I was like, this album kind of reminds me of stuff from the late 90s and early 2000s, like Madonna, Ray of Light and stuff. And when I looked it up, the producer mixed

Madonna's Ray of Light. Yeah, Pat McCarthy. Yeah it up, the producer mixed Madonna's Ray of Light. Yeah, Pat McCarthy. Yeah, so, and I was like, you know, as opposed to Up, which used pretty traditional rock instrumentation, this is using all the bleeps and bloops of stuff

that I think is really interesting. But don't you think there were lots of bleeps and bloops on Up? There were bleeps and bloops, but this sounds to me like more of a modern record somehow to me.

And I got a big smile on my face with this song i i absolutely love this song and it sounds very summery i heard i read i read after listening to this they wanted to do do like a summer inspired record and it just sounds like happy but it doesn't sound revisionist like uh oh we're trying to do chronic town or we're trying to do murmur it's a new it's really big it sounds like it has an epic feel to it and there's this weird i shouldn't use that that's really big that it's that the bridge it's almost like there's a new chorus they only do it once but it's almost like um everything's a pre-chorus until the bridge and then they they right after the chorus they go to a new place it's really interesting yeah i love this song it's has an epic feel to it's a great album opener i also

interestingly enough i or maybe not interesting at all but i listened to the original version like the demo version yeah and that to me is like what could have like where they could have gone wrong in a way because it's slower it's much slower it's like more kind of plotting rem kind of stuff let's play a little bit of it yeah Good. I was afraid you were going to like this one more than the album version. I mean, they really broke it open and made it. See, this sounds like,

okay, this is traditional instruments. It's slow, like up was like i think i was glad the album wasn't more of this like when i when i heard this version i was like who's the genius who came in and said hey what if you played it twice as fast you Yeah, but it's not only playing it faster, it's also just throwing it all out. Just the instrumentation sounds modern, and it sounds fun, and it sounds... Like, this album sort of reminds me a little bit of, like, XTC Skylarking a little bit,

where it's just, like, a breezy kind of mood, summery album. kind of mood summery album I I I have issues no one will be surprised

to hear with the sequencing and we'll get to those in a second but in general I am a big fan of this record great let's keep going

alright this is I'm so glad to hear that track two I've Been High. I've Been High. Have I missed a bit with you? Do my eyes, do my eyes seem empty? I've been high I've climbed so high But now sometimes

It inches over me Have you been Half done with travel Have you been? Half done with travel I fell down on my knees Was I wrong? I don't know, don't answer I just needed to leave I've been high

I've climbed so high That I sometimes have Butchers over me I would like some time to touch you so hard. So I touch you so hard. Yeah. This is one of the best songs on the record, I think. I'm pleased, but I am so surprised that you're having this reaction to this record. I will also say the majority,

all but two of the songs on this record are under five minutes, including this one is three and a half. Uh-huh. Well, because I felt like I listened to the Up episode and I felt like I didn't really

stick up for it enough. But also, my kind of honest reaction to Up, because it used to be my favorite R.E.M. record, but my honest reaction listening to it for the couple weeks leading up to recording it was I just wasn't connecting. Some of it just didn't age well for me.

This is, by the way, a very emotional soundtrack for your confession. But I just This is, by the way, a very emotional soundtrack for your confession. But I just, listening back to the episode, I felt like I wasn't defending it enough. You weren't saying that it meant as much as you would have. But I kind of, I was kind of, because there are some songs on that that I do love, but I don't know.

I will say, like, along the way here, I've been purging some of the songs off my iPod of like, I'm not going to want this on the best music I have. But I will say for Up, I had purged most of the songs off of it, and then I happened to hear Sad Professor the other day. I was like, oh, no, I like that one. So I put it back. I feel like a lot of those songs are really good,

but something about all of them being six or seven minutes and the album being... So you're still a person that uses the old iPod, and you have to plug it in in order to update it. I don't have to plug it in. I get to plug it in. Oh, my God. No, I do that because it holds way more songs

than an iPhone is able to. Yeah, but you don't have to have the actual file on your phone. You can just stream it all. When you're driving? Are you some sort of like a wealthy, you know, eccentric millionaire that you can use all your data streaming music when you're not connected to Wi-Fi as you're driving? I just have unlimited data. Oh, my God. I can't afford that. No, it's – no, it's – I don't even know if they do unlimited data anymore.

I got to get on a TV show. No, no, no. If you get unlimited data right when iPhones came out – No, I do have that. Then why do you keep the – No, because I want it all from my collection. I don't want it from Spotify or whatever. Like what are you streaming it from? Apple Music. Yeah. I don't want it from Spotify or whatever. Like, what are you streaming it from?

Apple Music. Yeah, I don't want Apple Music. I want, like, the specific music that I have at home. But they have it all on Apple Music. No, they don't. I have a lot of stuff that's not on Apple Music. Well, then, Apple Music and your library are mixed, so the stuff that isn't on Apple Music I can still.

Apple Music. Apple Music, if you're listening and you want to pay me to go on apple music adam is some sort of sucker he he pays for it um i think if you want to pay me to be one of your celebrity clientele yeah i'll go on you don't do any streaming i do at all uh you know what we have streaming connected to the sonos you know spotify and all that but cool up mainly uses that i use like the stuff from my collection because I like my collection. Strictly, you have a couple of those that you keep in different places? Yeah.

But this one's for the car. That's your car. This is my car one, yeah. And I whittle it down to 160 gigs, which is about 25,000 songs that I keep having to purge stuff from. I remember 10 years ago having my car one. Why are we fighting about this? No, no, no. I'm not. I just having my car one. Why are we fighting about this? No, no, no. I'm not.

I just say I remember this. Why are you making fun of this? I'm not making fun of it. You're making fun of me and I don't like it. I remember that and this is so much easier. It really hurts my feeling.

I come in here and I do all the prep. I get all the songs together. I have to put them in playlists. I sync my iPod and then you come in here and make fun of me. What do you do?

You're sitting here eating your G-Dog granny Danny over here. If you just had it on the streaming then you wouldn't here and make fun of me. And what do you do? You're sitting here eating your G-Dog granny Danny over here. If you just had it on the streaming, then you wouldn't have to prepare anything. It's just all there. Yeah, but I did. And do I get a thank you?

No, I get a, what are you doing that for? Scott, I thank you every single day of my life. Do you? Yes. Why don't you do it publicly? No, first thing in the morning. I know you do. Every morning.

I know you do. But you never do it on air. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think the, I'm sure you have a high bit rate, like the quality is top notch. It is. I do it at 320. Takes up a bit more room. Yeah. But I'm sure it sounds great.

It does sound great, right? Better than streaming off of anything. Yes, that's the other thing. Streaming to the Bluetooth in the car sounds shitty to me. Yeah, doesn't sound as good.. Streaming to the Bluetooth in the car sounds shitty to me. Yeah, it doesn't sound as good. Yeah. Listening to a CD in the car, it's like, oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, this isn't as good as a CD. This isn't, you know,

direct CD quality. It's not flack files, but it's, you know, that free-time-y. Did you ever try the Pono thing, the Neil Young thing? No. Fuck no. Did you? I bought like a bunch of them for Christmas presents. Shoving up your butt? No, I never tried it.

It's the perfect shape for shoving up your butt. Do you remember when he like was, they had videos of him playing it for people in the car? Hey, here's my pono. Okay, so do you like that song? I can't get a handle on it. I do. Yeah, I've been high i i like a lot

okay great um this is track three um this is uh and this is one of the songs i knew and really liked this is all the way to Reno Just hit the non-believers And challenge the laws of chance Now sleep You're so sugar-sweet You may as well have had a kick Me

Fastened on your sleeve You may as well have had a kick me I'll send on your sleep You know what you are You're gonna be a star You know what you are You're gonna be a star All right, all the way to Reno. This is the second single. Sonically, I really like this.

I mean, it's like a cross between... You have these sort of like western-y guitar licks. It's like Glen Campbell. It's a Glen Campbell, like I love Glen Campbell. Me too. And it's like a Jimmy Webb, Glen Campbell kind of thing, but done with the modern production, modern at the time, of Madonna's Ray of Light, which doesn't sound dated really to me, even still, in the way that some stuff does.

And you have like Michael Seip crooning over the whole record, sort of like, not like a lounge singer, but it's almost like a Burt Bacharach kind of feel, the whole thing. A lot of the record has a bit of that in it, yeah. Bacharach, Beach Boys, Glen Campbell. These are all things that I love, but still feels modern to me and here's the uh bridge they're writing bridges again were they not writing bridges before go listen up i mean

this is like hey i'm trying to get to the river quai over here come on i need a bridge that's a good joke right yeah it's, it's solid. But you disagree, obviously, because you're like grimacing. This song's almost five minutes long. I don't love this song. You don't? I don't. Wow. You don't think it should have been a single?

No. So when it was chosen as a single... No, I do think, because it's really catchy. It's very catchy, yeah. It gets stuck in your head. I like the way it sounds. I like it sonically as well. I love those like traveling Wilburys acoustic guitars,

like cruising along in the verses. This is the first song that kind of has a guitar featured very heavily too. And I love the Glen Campbell guitar. But you don't like it. So it's very catchy. You love the sound of it. Yeah. And you don't like it. So it's very catchy. You love the sound of it. Yeah. And you don't like it.

Not really. I don't know. Is it the subject matter? Is it the lyrics? I think it's the, maybe the chorus. All the way to Reno. Look, I...

You're gonna be a star. Yeah. I don't know. I was just like... I think when it came out, I thought it was good and everything. I just, I don't know. I was just like, I think when it came out, I thought it was good and everything. I just, I don't know. It's not my favorite. I've always liked it.

Yeah. All right. Wow. This is interesting. We are splitting on how much we like things here. That is not an REM song I thought you would stick up for. You know what? I tell you, the whole... Have you heard Glen Campbell's

one of his most recent records before he passed away? Yeah, when he did all the covers. It sort of reminds me of this, yeah. The one where he does the Tom Petty cover and the Foo Fighters cover and like, oh, they're so good. I really like the Travis cover he did. he did sing should

we hear a little bit of that yeah yeah all right i'll find it it's on there it's you know what you have it on here oh yeah it's on here are these artists flattered when you choose them to be on your ipod yes i know i notify all of them i say you have been chosen as one of the 25,000 songs, as at least one. Okay, so split decision on all the way to Reno. I have to know, though, at this point, the first time you hear this, Great Beyond hinted at this. I think when we talked in the last episode about Great Beyond, you didn't like it that much.

But Great Beyond hinted at this direction. How are you feeling when you hear these three songs the first time you hear it? I'm excited because it's an REM record and I do like – Yeah, naturally. No, but I do like the electronic direction. I thought it was cool. This kind of sounds to me – not to interrupt what you think about it, but it's... That you asked me about. Yeah, it sounds,

because this is a point I wanted to make, it sounds to me like they finally figured out what to do without Bill Barry, in a way, even though there's only been one record since he left. But you know what I mean? It sounds like they're finally like, we don't have to not pretend like we don't have drums, or we don't have to use loops, or whatever. This like we don't have drums or we don't have to use loops

or whatever. Like this just sounds like, hey, this is a new band in a way. Yeah. So did you have anything to continue with? Like when I heard All the Way to Reno? Yeah. I think I liked it

and thought it was a fun like pop song. But just generally about the record the first time you heard it. Oh yeah. Not what you think about it now. I loved it when I first heard it. Of course you did. All right. Here's track four. Not what you think about it now. I loved it when I first heard it. Of course you did. Here's track four. This is She Wants To Be.

It's now that she walked away Her world got smaller All the usual places The same destinations Only something's changed It's not That she wasn't rewarded At the pomegranate afternoons The Mingus check

Baker and Chess It's not A stampede in fortune Or grim affectations She's off on the right but she knows now it's greater than the whole

of the past it's greater and now she knows Kick it! She wants to be Yeah, yeah, let's hear a little bit of the chorus She just wants to be somewhere She just wants to be

She just wants to be somewhere She just wants to be somewhere. She just wants to be somewhere. All right, what do we think of She Wants to Be? She Just Wants to Be, another one of the songs that is not my favorite. This is where the sequencing goes awry for me because you've had three songs in a general mood. And then this one kind of returns to a little more traditional R.E.M. instrumentation of the bing, bong, bong guitar.

Sounds a little bit modern on the chorus. I like the chorus a lot. Really on the chorus I like the chorus a lot really? yeah I like the choruses the verses are not my favorite

this to me if this were front loaded like U2's record All That You Can't Leave Behind a little bit more

where it had like all the good songs in the first six and this were in the were a little bit later then I like it more. I think this album would have been a little more successful if they would have put the singles up a little earlier.

But this is one that, look, this is not going to be a surprise to you. I made a new re-sequencing. And it makes the record for me. Yeah. Okay. and it makes the record for me. Yeah. Okay.

Again, it's a song that's, you know, fine. It's just not one of my favorite. Yeah, it's not one of my favorite. Five and a half minutes. Yeah, it's over five, but that's because of the pace of it. But I do like the melody. Yeah. I just feel like they've done better of this. Yeah, sure. But I do like the melody. Yeah. I just feel like they've done better of this before.

Yeah, sure. But I like it. Not your favorite. No. Like the song that's coming up here, Similar Arena, great song. I like this song a lot too, but I will say the one-two punch of this preceded by this. Yeah, it's weird. On track four and five is bad sequencing. This is Disappear. Yeah, this is a great song. Jumped out the passenger side The only thing worth looking for

Is what you find inside But that had not yet A beard lost invisible here Tel Aviv and Agadir Turned in for all of us Before I learn to see The vanishing point of view I look for you everywhere All right.

Sort of the answer song to Radiohead's How to Disappear Completely based on a bit of advice that Michael Stipe gave to Tom York when Tom York had stage fright, saying that just imagine that the audience has disappeared. So two similar songs. Yeah. I like this one. I feel like these two have ruined the summery mood of, hey, having a good time a little bit for me. Okay.

This is, you know, another like sort of traditional waltz, you know. Yeah, but it's great. It's great. No, I love it. It makes my re-sequencing, but I put it in the back half. It's just weird to me that they would, I don't know. At the time, you know, at the time, I liked them all. So, but it just, it usually takes me a while to be able to pick out the ones that aren't as good.

But it's weird that they would put these two together. I agree. It's strange. It's a weird two after another after you've had three, like, kind of breezy pop things. Yeah. Then, like, hey, back to difficult. Not only difficult for one song. But I could see you changing it up.

But I don't know. But I love it. I think it's a great, great song. changing it up, but I don't know. But I love it. I think it's a great, great song. Did you like the unplugged version? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's good. It made me... I love the unplugged version of I've Been High. Oh, yeah. That's really good. I actually prefer it.

You do? Yeah. Interesting. Okay, this is the last song on the first side, although at this point, who cares about sides anymore? But this is about halfway through the album. This is Saturn Return.

The chorus side. Yes, broken up into the chorus side and the ring side. Mm-hmm. side and the ring side. Harder to love yourself, harder to try These are miscloses, postcards and me up in roses A dollar a stand I stand Everyone's sleeping I'm pulling The long haul The cubes in

The cooler It's 3am And Saturn Is beckoning I wonder Is it half On the time And Saturn is beckoning us Half on the tongue Is offering us Late chef convenience store

Can we talk yet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I was just looking at... Oh, no, I just wondered if there was a moment you wanted to hear. No, no. So, the first time I heard this record, these three in a row kind of harshed my mellow. Yeah.

Okay. But I like all three of them, but just I was kind of like, oh, man, those first three songs I loved. Just the mood of them. I wish the mood would have continued. Now, it was surprising to me that practically the whole second side is that mood. And if they had merely like shuffled it around a little more and made a breezy album that had three more challenging songs

a little later. Although, weirdly enough, in my re-sequencing, the last two are still on the first side, so I don't know. But anyway, what do you think?

I mean, again, I think it's fine as an album drag. It's really pretty and I like how complicated it is. The more I hear it, the more I like it. Yeah, me too. I think it's fine as an album drag. It's really pretty, and I like how complicated it is. The more I hear it, the more I like it. Yeah, me too. I think there's, aren't there like 32 chords in it or something?

Or is that Summer Turns the High? That's Summer Turns the High. I think it's really beautiful. I do think it's placed weird. But yeah, it's really pretty. The first time I heard it I was not impressed though especially with these three it's not my

I was a little like god damn it this album went to shit but but it placed correctly correctly

we used to think so much of ourselves I know it's so stupid do you think if the guys from R.E.M. were to hear our re-sequencies

do you think they'd be like that's exactly what I was trying to say or would they be like, that's exactly what I was trying to say? Or would they be like, Jesus Christ. These idiots. Morons. No, it's a pretty song. Yeah, I don't know if it's where it is on the album that

bothers me. Maybe, yeah, maybe that's it. I don't know. I don't know. It is pretty, though. Let's roll right into the next track. This is technically the first track on side two. This is Beat a Drum. The sun reflected in the back of my eye

I knocked my head against the sky The dragonflies are busy buzzing me A sea horse says if we were in the sea Os oes gennym ni'r seil Hain o'r coel, hain o'r diamond Gallai'r ffordd yw'r ffordd yw'r ffordd yw'r ffordd I'm out of here. what I've seen This is all I want It's all I need This is all I

have set free This is all I want It's all I want, it's all I need All right, beat a drum. I think it's very pretty. Yeah.

Got some really cool Beach Boys-y Glen Campbell chord changes up. To my point that I was talking about in the Up episode, this sounds like a Beach Boys-insp Glen Campbell chord changes up. To my point that I was talking about in the Up episode, this sounds like a Beach Boys-inspired song to me without being a total, total, like we're going to use every bit of the Beach Boys, like instrumentation and vocal harmonies. This just sounds inspired, you know what I mean?

Yeah, but sometimes in order to get that inspiration, you have to go a little too far. All right, Stephen Hawking. No, but I think you calling At My Most Beautiful just a Beach Boys pastiche is a little unfair too. Someone wrote to me and said, they're a big R.E.M. fan, and saying, to hear Scott Aukerman say that it sounds like Mouthful of Sores was both infuriating and very correct. Is that the jellyfish song? No, Mouthful of Sores is the Mr. Show sketch song that we used.

Oh, right. Based on a real story of Bob waking up one day and having incredible sores all throughout his mouth and having a weird disease where he—it was some disease that none of us had ever heard of. Was he a Brian Wilson-like character? He was a Brian Wilson none of us had ever heard of was it like was he a Brian Wilson type character he was a Brian Wilson type of guy

and he wrote he came in he got diagnosed as having whatever disease it was where he had a mouth full of sores and he just wrote

the lyrics down to mouth full of sores and then gave it to Eben and it's like one of the best Beach Boys songs ever written

wow I haven't seen that sketch in a long time. That guy you're with is like a mouth full of sores. And you, pretty baby, are a mouth without sores. I like this one a lot. By the way, this originally was called All I Want, which I think is a better title. Yeah. I was just seeing here that they originally, the original pressing.

Yeah, the advance copy that they send to reviewers and all that. There are several differences. I have all the different songs, by the way. Yeah, Fascinating was actually on the album. Fascinating was on the record, and as was another one we'll play a little later. And then they had, like, slightly different versions of some of these songs. And this one was called All I Want, which I can never, anytime I look at Beat a Drum

and I go, Beat a Drum, what is that one? No, you call it All I Want because right there in the chorus, he's going, this is all I want, it's all I need. That I would know. Well, what drum do you think he's talking about? I don't know. How is Scott supposed to find this song on his beautiful iPod?

Why are you titling songs after instructions you're giving the band members? Well, maybe Joey Warnicker was forgetting to actually beat on the drums. He was just looking at them. That's what this album is an instruction manual for Joey Warnicker. That's what this album is an instruction manual for Joey Warnocker. So our next song is an instruction for him because he is kind of like an emotional robot. Yeah. This is a song called Imitation of Life.

This is the first single, Imitation of Life. Mae'r ffordd o'i ddod yn dda. Named by a poem Imitation of life Like a coin in a frozen pot Like a goldfish in a boat I don't want to hear you cry. That sugar cube that tasted good. That cinnamon, that's Hollywood. Come on, come on, no one can see you cry. Chorus at 50 seconds. R.E.M. is back. Great song.

Great. I love it. So good. Track eight. It's one of the best singles ever. Track eight. Yeah. What are you doing, R.E.M.?

Yeah. The video, incredible. So cool. I watched it again the other day. The video, incredible. So cool. I watched it again the other day. Basically, they shot, what did they shoot, 25 seconds or something?

That they constantly repeat and then go backwards. So it's like 25 seconds forward, 25 seconds backwards, and it goes bop, bop, bop, back and forth the entire time. But they're using pan and scan technology, which is like a term for like if you like if you ever used to get videos on vhs movies on vhs because uh movies before they letterbox things and dvds they would just kind of like if something happened on the left side of the screen but they were using the square on the right side of the screen they would scan over to pan or they would pan whatever important thing was happening so they

use that in this video where that it's just literally like 25 seconds happening and then they zoom in and pan over to various things happening in the frame and various people are singing different parts of the song in frame at at the same time did shoot it all at once yeah it's crazy it's crazy It's such a good video. I love this song. I was playing the album the other day and Kulop came in and was like, more R.E.M.?

And she's like, well, if I know this song, it must have been one of the big hits. And I was kind of like, well, actually, it wasn't a big hit, but yeah. This is great. This breakdown is so good.

I'm not afraid. Come on, come on. How Peter Buck comes in here. This lightning stone, this tidal wave. He hadn't done that in a while. No, the D of the arpeggios, yeah. It's great.

This is great. Like, if this isn't a hit, I don't know that in a while. No, the Dini, the arpeggios, yeah. It's great. This is great. Like, if this isn't a hit, I don't know what the problem is. Like, this is so good and catchy. Well, you know, music at this point is, it was Limp Bizkit, and literally it was like. Oh, I remember trying to, like, waiting for this to come on the radio, and it was a train song. It was, what do you call it, that was always on? The huge. Choo-choo?

Yeah. I forget. I forget what their songs are. Anyway, that was never a big train band. No, I remember, I literally remember being in this apartment, and this is so funny. Same apartment. Considering now that I go there occasionally and appear uh on the morning

show but writing an email to k-rock angrily titled play good music really and and i was i just felt so like because it was all betrayed because they were playing all, you know, just – it was my favorite radio station. I listened to it, you know, I remember in 1984 listening to it and it being like you'd hear the Minutemen and Prince back to back. And now all they played was Limp Bizkit stuff and this like really aggressive rap rock stuff. And I was just like angrily wrote an email. stuff and I was just like angrily wrote an email. And when I think, I think about, okay, so like Twitter sucks, right? And the internet sucks in general because it's used as a complaint line now of like, it used to be, you know, people would do stuff and you'd complain about your friends. Like we were talking about the Star Wars movies. Yeah. Like you and I would complain about,

I mean, we didn't, but you and I with our respective friends would complain about the Star Wars prequels and go, Oh God, I hate it. It sucks or whatever. But now anyone can go complain to anyone and force them off Twitter. Like everyone, they can go complain to Rian Johnson. Yeah. You know? And like the stuff that dude has to put up with and like Kelly Marie Tran and all that. It's crazy.

It's crazy that that's all that the internet is used for these days is just for people like watching something complaining and i've i've done this in my life it's like i i have like a now a just like i'm never going to complain on the internet anymore on twitter of just like i'm never going to do a snarky like uh well this sucked or whatever you know just because like it's so tempting when you see something that's disappointing to like do your thoughts yeah but when i think about when i think about the internet i just think about me at 30 writing that letter to k-rock and going to get a response i did and they were like well we think the music we play is actually really good and you know all this kind of stuff i wonder if they still have that email by

the way like the next time i show up to the Kevin and Bean show. I remember I wrote an email to a TV critic. Whoa. What was it? Someone who criticized what you did? No. Okay, thank God. Yeah, no, it was because of a good review they gave something.

Oh, for a good review. Oh, no. Yeah. Do you remember or can you not say? I'm kind of not remembering and I'll kind of tell you later. Okay, great. But anyway, I think like eventually hopefully people grow out of that and go, you know what? Why am I wasting time complaining to people on the internet?

Some people make an absolute career of it. But like looking up Star Wars tweets recently, because I tweeted something about Star Wars and I got, and Rian Johnson had retweeted it. And so I was copied on all of these people complaining to Rian Johnson about, well, your last movie sucked. You know, like day yeah hundreds of people are telling him he sucks like what like what what is this all about but i think i think back to if

if i was young at that point i probably would be doing the same thing so i can't judge i guess but some of it is so awful like the kelly murray trans stuff it's terrible and someone who is such such a bright light on star bang-bang, you know, in one of her only pre-Star Wars appearances. Was she really? Yes. Oh, that's awesome. She's on one of the best episodes ever, the Brody South Dakota episode.

That's great. All right, let's go to the next track, Summer Turns to High, the aforementioned 30 – how many chords? 32? 32 chords is rising still turn the fan on high i won't step on my own shadow no one wants to cry I won't step on my own shadow

No one wants to cry Someone put a box on me I'll spit in their eyes Soon it turns to night Some more Beach Boys-y type stuff, but I think still in that sort of modern sound. Yeah. I have to admit I like the demo better. I don't remember the demo of this

let's play a little bit of it because it's slightly faster paced um and I like it a little bit better but I do like this song but let's play the probably

uh yeah let's play it wait maybe maybe was it on the advance? is that why you don't know it? but anyway let's play it. Wait, maybe was it on the advance? Is that why you don't know it? But anyway, let's play it. Here we go. This is...

I'm sure... Oh, no, it's on the Warner Brothers rarities. Mercury is rising still Time will fail, don't fail The film The fire Won't step on My own shadow No one Wants to cry

Someone Put a box On me All Stead in My What do you think? I love that. Yeah. I never heard that before.

It's a little more immediate and slightly faster, and it just makes it like almost a – it's like the lifting to me, the difference between the two. Weirdly, they improved the lifting, but – I mean, that sounds like unfinished, but I really love it. Slightly, although in my new track listing, I put it in there, and it sounds, it's in the general, I mean, at this point, their demos are such high quality that they're almost like,

they're almost like, hey, we made this song, and now here we're giving it to a producer to like, hey, what do you want to do with this? It is crazy that that lifting demo sounds like a finished, produced song. Yeah. Like, is that just because they're equipment and stuff? that lifting demo sounds like a finished produced song. Yeah. It's like, is that just because they're, they're going into studios,

they're doing, you know, their demos are done. Yeah. If you listen to old Elvis Costello demos, it's like literally him with a four track. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Doing all the parts over himself and he's not even bothering to finish it. They're like going into a real studio and like going like, Hey, we finished it. But now a producer, what do you want to do with these right you know um i really so i love that i do not like the original that no i think it's

pretty and stuff but it's not but that version like yeah i i will tell you i i was the the real version i was kind of like i don't know if i like this song and then i had these alternate versions on in the background and when this one came up, I perked up and I was like, I like this song. Yeah. I'd never heard that before. It's on the Warner Brothers rarities.

Yeah, I just saw it. Check it out. It's so cool. This is the next track. We have three more. This is Chorus and the ring. Just a ride, just a night It was a fun, your time has come What have you done?

What have you done? That's when the insults start to sting Can't remember anything Chiming like we Chorus the machine of God Singing This song obviously about

the remake of the Japanese movie Ringu. Yep. About the videotape that if you watch it, you'll die. How many days later? He sings it upcoming here. He sings, you'll die three days later if you watch that videotape. It's really, really scary to listen to this song at night. This should have been on Monster.

You know what I mean? I can't believe you just said that. I wet my pants when I just said it. This is my least favorite one. What do you think? I love this song. Interesting. I think this is a great song.

This is the one I leave off my track listing. Wait, so you would put she just wants to be on your track listing and get rid of this this one is just too it's a great song and no there's not a great song we're song there's a whole you don't get to have the last word on this there's a whole movement of rem fans who love this song. I was reading actually a lot of REM. I went on a message board trying to track down these advance copies because they weren't officially released. And the one that most people say is Disappear.

Huh. That's weird. Isn't that weird? Yeah, that's really weird. So there's not a lot of consensus on what the worst song is on the record, but I will say that this is more in the challenging line of R.E.M. songs on this record. This is not summery pop. That's summery pop.

Yeah, it is. What's challenging? It's challenging because it's not summery pop. It's challenging how slow. Yeah, what I mean to say is this is in the four songs on the record that are a little slower, a little more like. I mean, this sounds like Disappear. This is in the automatic world.

Yeah. I think it's great. I think it's in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Yeah. Well, yeah. It's definitely set there. It's all set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I've not been able to get into this one.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of this guy. I'm trying to add that Summer Turns to High to my track list. Oh, but what's happening? You're having trouble with it? I'm having trouble. Guess what I didn't have trouble with? This fucking iPod. Yeah, but you had to make the playlist on a computer and then plug it in.

Yeah, and I had fun doing it. Are you having fun? Oh, by the way, is this your catchphrase? Until it stopped working. Are we having fun yet? Isn't that your catchphrase? Oh, yeah, I'm having fun yet. Is that it?

I'm having fun yet. No, it? I'm having fun yet. No, I'm having fun-yons. That's right. Right. Okay, let's go to, this is the third

single, weirdly enough, almost six minute song is the single, but it's one that I really like. This is I'll Take the rain. Take the rain. Rain down on me, the wind blew strong, and summer's song, face to memory. Cynhyrchu'r ffordd y byddwn i'n ei wneud.

Mae'r ffordd y byddwn i'n ei wneud yn y ffordd y byddwn i'n ei wneud. Mae'r ffordd y byddwn i'n ei wneud yn y ffordd y byddwn i'n ei wneud. Mae'r ffordd y byddwn i'n ei wneud yn y ffordd y byddwn i'n ei wneud. I used to think those birds take wings to sing through my soul. I can't believe we cling to this. We claim the best if this is what you're offering. I'll take the rain. I'll take the rain. I'll take the rain. It's strange because technically this verse is what I would call challenging,

but that chorus is so great. I found myself for the past 17 years, like this is one of the later period REM songs that I see the title and I can sing it. You know what I mean? It's like, the chorus is great. It's great. I like these verses.

It's a weird choice for a single a single though it seemed like i mean their singles are so spread out looking at the dates here yeah this one was after the in november yeah it came out in may like they only released three singles yeah there there are more obvious choices for the for for a single but at the same time this chorus is really catchy i think i mean this is feels like a just a great say something inspiring because the music is do a speech um yeah it's it's great it's weirdly like late in the album and i don't know it doesn't feel like this album either does it i know what you mean in terms of the summary. It feels a little more like traditional R.E.M.

Which I love. I know you love traditional R.E.M. We're making a whole podcast about it. Do you think it's too long? No, I've always liked it. It's just for a single, six minutes is weird. But didn't they make a short version of it for a single six minutes is weird but didn't they make a short version of it for the same i don't know i'm not sure it's kind of in everybody

hurts vein of you know and so here's the glenn campbell guitar solo like i love this guitar tone with on this record this whole like we're doing westerny the strings are amazing on this I wonder if this was like the second single put out quickly after Imitation of Life

if it would have if they did an edit of it I wonder if they could lift I thought there was an edit there might be I wonder if they could lift two minutes out of it it would be interesting they could lift... I thought there was an edit of it. There might be. I wonder if they could lift two minutes out of it. It would be interesting. Anyway,

I like it. Great song. Let's go to the final song on the record. This is Beach Bowl. Beach Bowl. Very Burt Bacharach. Very Bacharach. Very backer-act. Very backer-act. Tonight's a lie The beach ball's set to fly Those well-tucked killer guys

Who smile at strangers At Desiree At Desiree A deseret, a desem o cherry You give a little snooze and dance the ra ra ra ra ra ra This life is for you You're dancing in the street. There's no sleep in my knee. You're too fine.

I mean, that sounds like a million bucks. Those strings and the, I mean, this all, this sounds, I said it on automatic for the people but it sounds expensive yeah like guys it just sounds it sounds beautiful i actually want to play it a little under because at the end it sounds so incredible oh with the you'll do fine yeah all that stuff what do you what do you think of this i like it's pleasant and it's pretty it sounds cool it's not my favorite song but all right so you're this is the end of the record if i had to guess uh you're you just think this album's okay

well the highs are incredibly high like i think imitation of life and is one of their best singles ever and i love like half the album. And the other half, I don't have a big problem with it. It's just not my fave. I think I love three quarters of it. Yeah, it seems like you're... And the other quarter of it, I'd take off one of the songs.

So if you were re-sequencing it, we will, but I want to get into some of the B-sides just because before we re-sequence, we may use some of these. How do you feel about this song in particular? I really like this song, especially towards the end. I want to get towards the end. I'm going to fast forward. Sorry, guys. I mean, it sounds incredible.

I mean, there's like a flute in there. Yeah. You know what? We were saying it's Bacharach-inspired, but it's not like the album that Elvis Costello did with Burt Bacharach where it sounds like what they did in the 60s. This still sounds modern to me while sounding old. I think it's a really cool accomplishment.

me while sounding old i think it's a really cool accomplishment um this record was heralded as it came out by you know some five-star reviews great review in rolling stone as a return to form akin to you two's all that you can't leave all the uh what the fuck is it called we're not doing that you two show right now so i don't even have to know. All that you can't leave behind. Yeah. So it was heralded as, wow, this is going to be a big hit. This is a lot of people saying R.E.M. sort of doing what they used to. I don't hear them doing what they used to. I hear like more of a lounge-inspired album in a way.

Yeah, I mean, there's a few automatic-y songs in there? Well, I think it was likened a little bit to early R.E.M. sort of in a way. That's probably

because of Imitation of Life. I think it's because of song length too. Like, oh, they're finally doing like catchy

short songs. But they're not that short. Oh my God. But no, they're not. They're like six minutes,

five minutes. No, some are definitely six minutes, but you have a lot of like three and a half, four, 420. Hey, 420. Whoa, bro.

If only they had a song that was 69 minutes long. Yeah. It's a little shorter. The album also is shorter. It's at 53, 43 when the last ones have been clocking in 10 minutes longer. it's at 53.43 when the last ones have been clocking in 10 minutes longer. But I will say this album was not a hit. Nope.

People didn't bite. It's just weird that – because I just – like I said, Imitation of Life seems like if there's going to be a hit, there it is. And I think it was in the UK, wasn't it? I think it might have been yeah um i uh it's it's i mean if they had re-sequenced it with some of the hits earlier maybe maybe people would have caught into it but i i don't know to me it's a little more of a languid uh fun album but you're rightation of Life is a great single. I don't know why.

Yeah, but I don't know that they had, I will also say if they put on two more Imitations of Life, Right. like then you have

a classic album that would have been the same as the U2 record, I think. Right. And the other thing is that they didn't tour. Right.

That's a part of it too. Well, U2 toured the shit out of it and Michael Stipend was saying in that documentary, was saying like, yeah, you look at Bono and he really wants it. Or maybe it was the book I was reading. But like he really wants it. He wants to be the biggest band in the world and he wants everyone singing these songs. And they toured for what, two years on that record? And R.E.M. just didn't tour these songs and they are they toured for what two years

on that record and REM just didn't tour yeah they hadn't toured they toured Up they toured right before yeah they toured with Up

and then put out this record didn't tour the singles died they did a lot of TV though they did Unplugged yeah they did Unplugged

in order to but yeah so but it got it seems like it got a lot of good reviews of TV though they did Unplugged yeah they did Unplugged in order but yeah so but it got it seems like it got a lot of good reviews and respect

it got a lot of good reviews at the time but you know I feel like music reviews are almost like they're trying to tell the future

like they want they don't want to give a bad review to something if it becomes like a huge hit but then they feel embarrassed if they gave a glowing five star review to something if it becomes like a huge hit but then they feel

embarrassed if they gave a glowing five-star review to something that lands with a thud the rolling stone review for up has been changed what when that review first came out they compared it to sergeant pepper what i i in the sense of it was also an album yes that it also existed no they they compare like when these bands take like Octoon Baby, Sgt. Peppers, this is a legendary band making a shift. But now you go back. And they're like, this one in – I think they even lowered it to three and a half stars rather than four and a half. I could be wrong, but I mean almost positive i remember you know in a way

why not why not review it again in a year when like you've sat with it and everyone and everyone you know because if you if it comes out before the album it's like you're trying to predict a future that may or may not exist you know yeah and you're listening to it in a vacuum yeah and you don't like songs are meant to be heard on the radio with a bunch of people and they're meant to be hits sometimes. Right. Like if you're just listening to something that you know will never be on a record or know that will never be on the radio, it's way easier to review because you're like,

this is my experience with it. But when you're reviewing pop music in a way, it's kind of like you're trying to predict it. I don't know. A big part of a successful pop song is knowing that millions of other people are enjoying it at the same time. Like if you were just reviewing the Beatles She Loves You, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, and just going

hmm, very interesting chord structure. Right. You know, part of the fun of it is like knowing that people all around the world are like screaming while they're listening to it. And as a fan of R.E.M., when Imitation of Life came out, I was like, oh, here we're back. Yeah.

I mean, finally, people are going to be singing this all summer. And this is just weird. Yeah. Let's go to, here's a couple of tracks that were on the advanced copy that have not been officially released. But I went and tracked them down. This one actually was released on a, on the internet, uh, like REM allowed it to be downloaded or something,

but this is fascinating. Oh, I, I remember finding this somewhere weird. I last long I've laughed on I've been wrong No one told me what to wear

No one sent me home. Street sage party. Fascinating. I just don't fit in. Someone throw me anything The oxygen is there If you just kiss me tonight Just throw me your life What do you think?

I've always loved this song. I'd put it on the record. Me too. I think late in the record. To me, it's the closer, but it's the Keira Sedgwick of the record to me. Or Tom Selleck. Yeah. Should I tell that story again?

Yeah, why not? I have told that story a lot. I know, but I love it. I remember finding it on the internet like a month after the album came out and it sounded like shit because I don't know where it came from. Right. But this sounds great.

And they, weirdly in the advance copy, the advance copy, the sequencing sucks in that too. Like this is in the middle or something. It's like, I don't know what they're thinking with their sequencing. It's just, I mean, it's almost like- Guys, do you need professional sequencers? They get it right

with their last two records. There was a, there's a band or a musician who wrote to me on Twitter who said, for all of his future records, he's going to consult me

on the sequencing. He should consult me too. Uh-huh. Hashtag me too. Uh, time's up, fellas. Uh, there's something like

corny about this that I really love. Like it's just big and open hearted. You know what I meant with challenging when I talk about challenging? I think I'm talking about like minor key songs that aren't fast. Yeah. Like I'll imitation of life, by the way, the verses on imitation of life are the exact chords of driver eight

oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but um but that's minor key but done fast uh-huh it's the slow waltzes that are in minor keys that to me are challenging like fretless yeah um i've always loved those sad my friend patrick calls those songs REM sad bangers. Is it Patrick from SpongeBob? No. Patrick Bryce, director of The Overnight. Great movie. That's a good song.

This is the other song that was on the advance copy. This is Freeform Jazz Jam. So this was on the album? Yes. That's so weird. And it's called Freeform Jazz Jam. The marijuana must be great in Vancouver. All right.

That's it? That's it. Wow. So now you were making fun of me for putting Tricycle on New in hi-fi and these guys put freeform jazz jam it must have been like tacked onto the end of a song it's in the middle like it got a track yeah it got a track it got its own track that's weird um by the way uh imitation of life is about a minute and a half longer yeah i want to hear that. I've never heard that.

I'm not sure if I have it. Let's see, I have it. I don't think it's ever been out. Yeah, but I got all the stuff from it. You got the long Imitation of Life? Yeah, I do, actually. Do you want to hear it? Yeah.

Here we go. Is it just another verse, or what are they doing? Yeah, I think it's maybe a verse at the end. By the way, I really love the unplugged version of this. Oh, yeah. And he's singing in different keys because it's very high. Yeah. When he would do it in shows, he would have to sing it like an octave lower or he would have to sing the harmony part.

That intro was just longer. Was it? Mixed a little. A lot of these are mixed differently too. Is this on the rarities? No. Where'd you get this? Off the internet.

Someone had the advanced copy and uploaded it. Yeah, this is weirdly mixed yeah isn't that weird though to put out a version of the record two months critics and stuff oh it's really different. Isn't it strange to change it this much in just two months of like... Sounds like they were just on a deadline or something. Yeah.

Just remixed it. Although this is one of the only albums that they weren't on a deadline for. They just repeat the chorus. They repeat the chorus. Oh, they hold that until the end now. I can see you cry. I'll email you all these tracks.

Man, are people listening to this just going, these guys need to find something to do. Who cares? This is what we enjoy doing. I know, I know it is. This is, I meant to play this on the last episode because it's on a soundtrack and it was from 99 when Man on the Moon came out, but we didn't have time.

This is from Austin Powers. This is Dragging the Line. Oh, yeah, this is, I like this. This is, yeah, this, I can't remember who sings. Can you look up who sings Dragging the Line? Who originally wrote it? It's fun. That's what I like about this and Great Beyond and this record reveal.

It sounds like they're having fun. Yeah. Yeah. I can live in the old hard way Taking and giving my day by day I dig snow and rain and the bright sunshine Back in the life My dog Sam eats purple flowers Ain't got much but what we got's ours We dig snow and rain in the bright sunshine

Dragging the line Dragging the line I feel fine Dragon in the line. I feel fine. I'm talking about the reason why. I'm gonna take my time. I'm getting a good time. Dragon in the line.

This is, of course, on the same soundtrack that Madonna's Beautiful Strangers is on, which I wonder if Patrick McCarthy had anything to do with that. Maybe. He might have. William Orbit produced that. Yeah, I love that. Don't get on mic. Do it in charades. Come on.

All right. Who does it? The Shondells? Yeah, Tommy James. does it? The Shondells? Yeah, Tommy James. Tommy James and the Shondells. That version of it was on Soundtrack. Really? I really like the cover art to this record, too.

Yeah, the great Chris Bilheimer. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, the reveal. I thought you meant the Austin Powers. I was like, I don't know. It's a picture of Austin Powers. What do you want? All right, you like it Austin Powers. I was like, I don't know. It's a picture of Austin Powers. What do you want? All right.

You like it? Great. I was willing to go along with you. I love all the art for the second Austin Powers movie. And a couple more B-sides. This is Yellow River. This was for Reveal? Yeah.

Yeah. Speaking of Mike Myers, I think he's singing. Yep. Look up who sings this it's a band called christy christy like chris christie it's chris christie's first band first and last um charming not contender to go on a re-sequencing um this is 165 hillcrest i think this is the address of their uh john keen studio in athens is that right is it this is like return to early rems it sounds like deadliner office yeah yeah having fun we're rem we're fucking having fun we've had a couple beers and we're here to stay. We had a couple beers and we're never

going away. My beer, your beer, everybody's beer. Hey, we also smoked pot and drank drank, drank beer. Now pretty good. Um, this is

2JN It's an early lifting melody there Oh, interesting Oh, yeah I also like this It's just like fucking around. Yeah. Got the timpani in the background. Yeah, why not?

Timpani! Remember when Ed McMahon would say that? No. On the Jerry Lewis telethon? Anytime they wanted the tote board. Timpani! No. Blah, blah, blah.

God, all those people are dead. Isn't that weird? They're all dead. I hate to say it, but it's coming for us too. Great place to end the show. You think we'll die on the same day? Probably. I hope so.

In an REM-related accident. Yeah, I know. Taking a plane trip to go see. Okay, those are all. We promised we'd play all the B-sides and everything, so we did it.

All right, we want to get to the reveal. Different sequences. Do you have yours? Yeah. All right. Let's just say what they are

instead of playing songs. Okay. Are we going song by song or am I just saying what my sequencing is? No, let's do it where we go song by song. Song by song. We don't have to play them. Yeah, got it.

Okay, mine, The Lifting starts. Me too. Okay. Imitation of Life. Me too. Whoa! I've Been High. Oh, mine's Disappear, number three.

Really? A little challenging for number three for me. Challenging. Jesus. All the way to Reno, you're gonna be a star number four number four for me is i've been high the unplugged version unplugged version then i go to but it's they do an acoustic version quite a bit so it's just the right the different instrument different instrument but i do love the, listening to it today, I was like, this sounds great. Go ahead.

She Wants to Be. Number five for me is Beat a Drum. Saturn Return. Number six, closing out this side. Number six for me is, you know what? I just added two tracks today while we were talking. So for me, it was – you know what it's going to be? It's going to be Summer Turns to High, the demo version. Okay.

So yours is – weirdly enough, I kept the two of the three songs that I felt kind of dragged the first side down. But I don't know. Listening to them in this context to me was better. But yours is maybe slightly poppier, a dragged the first side down. But I don't know, listening to them in this context, to me, was better. But yours is maybe slightly poppier, a slightly poppier side one. Okay, so then to me, I go to side two, it's beat a drum. Mine was just summer turns to high, right? Yeah.

My side two would then be, sorry, I'm trying to, it would open, side two would open with Fascinating. Ah. I'm going, then I'm going to Summer Turns to Hide, the demo version. Then my, what is it, eight now? Nine? This is six, seven, eight. This is eight, yeah.

Chorus in the Ring. Chorus in the Ring. Okay, then I'm going nine is I'll seven, eight. This is eight, yeah. Chorus and the Ring. Chorus and the Ring. Okay, then I'm going nine is I'll Take the Rain. My ninth and final song of the album is I'll Take the Rain. You're only going to nine. You only like nine of the songs. Okay, then I'm going to, then I put Disappear, then I put Beach Ball, then I put Fascinating.

Oh, that's good. Fascinating is a good closer. Maybe I would switch that and I'll Take the rain. Well, do it next time. On my own time? I'm sure everyone's going to be wondering, so I'll let you know next episode if I switched I'll take the rain and Fascinating. Okay, how do you want to sum up this record?

I mean, I love all of their records. There are some songs on here that aren't my favorite. That's how I would sum it up. But there are some Stone Cold classics as well. SCCs, yeah. SCCs, and I do love Fascinating. This one, for me, again, I like it, and i was pleasantly surprised by it i was you know my impression as an outside observer of hi-fi through um reveal through actually the next one it's around

the sun right yeah was boring lugubrious slog that's what I thought all four of those records would be. Was pleasantly surprised with Hi-Fi, with a lot of Hi-Fi. Up is what I thought all four of these records would be. So when I got to this one, I was like, ooh, fun. Ooh.

I thought it was a step forward, sonically, akin to, almost like akin to Radiohead with Kid A, of like, oh, wow, they're trying stuff, and it sounds modern, and maybe this is what R.E.M. is going to be. I'm actually very hyped for Around the Sun

because if this was the last record, hopefully they don't course correct. Like, it's probably more of the same, right? Sort of. Okay, cool. Alright, it's the same guy,? Sort of. Okay, cool. All right, it's the same guy, right, produces it.

Yeah, Pat McCarthy. So, you know, I know that the next record, its reputation isn't all that great, but after listening to this one, I'm like, oh, cool. All right, let's. I think its reputation is a bit unfair. Oh, okay, we'll get to that in the episode we talk about it. All right.

Anything else you want to say? You haven't said hello to your fans in so long. I'd like to say hello to my fan. I'd like to say hello to you. Just the fans?

No family. No friends. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Well, that's going to do it for us. We are going to take you out on the song we were talking about by Glenn Campbell,

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