U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - U Springin' Springsteen On My Bean? - Born to Run

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Scott and Scott go track-by-track through Born to Run—Springsteen's third studio album and the first featuring Little Steven and Max Weinberg as official members of the Edible Street Band. They also discuss the bands at the recent Lost 80s Live! show at the Greek Theatre, talk in depth about their bad headshot experiences, and ask important music questions like, "What if the Sharp Dressed Man met the Uptown Girl?"

From born in the USA to death to my hometown, this is You Springin' Springsteen on my bean? The comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things Bruce. This is good rock and roll. Music. Hey, welcome back. Episode three. I just had an idea. Yeah.

Sorry, I didn't know that. Bruce or me? Because you should apologize to Bruce as well because listen to him. I just had an idea yeah sorry to interrupt what Bruce or me because you should apologize to Bruce as well because listen to him oh man

I was gonna sing something hey Bruce Bruce Bruce Bruce just for a second I'm sorry to interrupt alright okay

um and Scott I'm sorry no need to apologize oh although I accept okay that's confusing I take it back no you I'm sorry. No need to apologize. Although I accept. Okay. That's confusing.

I take it back? No, there's absolutely no take backs. I don't take it back from Bruce. Okay. I only take it back from you. All right, all right, fine. Bruce, I'm sorry. I don't take it back. Okay.

So my idea was, and let's just workshop this for a sec. Okay. I was thinking of- Let's get it up on its feet. Let's get it up on its feet. Let's run it through its paces. I was thinking of, for this episode, not speaking, but being here, but not participating in anything vocally.

Huh. Interesting. Huh, interesting. Like, how do you think that would play? Interesting. I mean, I think there are no bad ideas. Thank you. Except for this one. Okay. This one is exceptionally bad.

So there are bad ideas. No, I think there are zero bad ideas plus one so there is a bad idea yes one bad idea and that and you hit on it this fan okay incredible uh thanks yeah i don't i mean i i don't think that would make for good podcasting necessarily we could try it though uh okay you want to just give it a shot real quick this um for like 10-15 minutes 10-15 minutes okay 20 20 minutes thank you i was gonna say let me stretch out sorry hey everyone welcome i'm out going great so far no i'm out i'm out of ideas oh you're out yeah what'd you think i thought you're gonna say that you're alec baldwin i'm

alec baldwin i don't think so okay uh okay so that's that's over with that i i i don't think i can handle it necessarily i need you buddy i need you okay why would you even want to do something like that i just thought it might be interesting for the people at home listening it's almost like they could slot in whatever they wanted they could just like use their imagination yeah like you could leave open space for the parts where i would be talking and then people could just fill it in yeah let's not do it what what if we did it but you in instead of you being silent during the spaces, you filled in what their imagination would be thinking. With your words.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So instead of actually just saying what you would normally say, say what their imaginations would be saying. So for the remainder of this episode, whenever I speak, it's what your, I'm speaking to the listener right now, what your imagination is coming up with rather than what I'm actually saying. Exactly, yes. So, I mean, this is good for you because you have free reign to say whatever you want. Yeah, it's not my fault.

Yeah, it's not you, it's them. So the listener will get canceled for all sorts of crazy shit. We're going back to late 2000s podcasts. Okay. Okay, great. Welcome to the show. This is you springing Springsteen on my bean. Okay, great. Welcome to the show. This is you springing Springsteen on my bean.

And this is our third episode of this show. And this is the episode regarding the album Boring to Run. Boring to Run. What? Born to Run. No, it's Boring to Run. Boring to Run. Hey. What? Born to Run. No, it's Boring to Run. Oh. It's all about him

on the treadmill. It's Boring to Run and then he cut it. And then it's like, hey, why don't you get off the treadmill and run around your neighborhood? He's like,

oh, this is pretty good. Yeah, this is way better. Exciting to run. That's what I should have called it, but. Way too late. It's already been pressed. Yes, of course. We're talking about Bruce Springsteen and the Edible Street Band's classic Born to Run uh that's what episode this is and uh we're going

to be talking about it we're going to be listening to the songs we're going to be talking about the history of it all of that stuff i think a lot of people would say it's 39 minutes and 23 seconds of rock and roll perfection hmm interesting you think people would say that i think it's look let's be honest i think it's like 39 minutes 22 seconds of rock and roll perfection yeah there's a second in there there i'm like this fucking bullshit yeah but other than that yeah i think it's great. Of course, we'll talk about what we think about it a little bit later. But first, Adam, by the way, let me introduce my co-host with the co-most. He is, of course, on your TV screens. Not so much these days.

And he'll be in the movies. Although I feel like yours got pushed back, or I can't remember your next movie. Who knows? Who knows, but you were in Boston filming it. We can't talk about it. Well, I mean, it's interesting, because it's not like you're promoting it,

because it hasn't even come out yet. That's exactly right. So who gives a shit? Who cares? But you know him. I'm sure if you saw him on the street, you'd be like, is that Ant-Man? Mm-hmm.

And then you go, no, but I know him from something. Please welcome Adam Scott. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

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Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey're one of the few special people out there who can recognize me by sight like I was at the Hollywood Bowl the other day. Oh yeah? There was a nice gentleman and I'm assuming his special lady and he looked a lot like a friend of mine and he went, Scott! And I smiled really big. I was like, hey! And he goes, you don't know me

like oh what a relief what were you doing at the hollywood bowl i was i was viewing i guess you would say yeah uh some rock and roll music oh this is both rock and roll yeah there was a little bit of rocking a little bit of rolling um very special bit of rolling. Hmm. Very special show, the Fleet Foxes, as well as My Morning Jacket. When was this? Like, well, it was supposed to be the day of the hurricane. Uh-huh. Hurquake, rather. Yeah.

And it got postponed, luckily, because of that. Because of the hurricane? Because of that, yeah. Although the ticket said rain or shine, P.S. no umbrellas allowed. Why aren't umbrellas allowed and um why aren't umbrella umbrellas allowed because i think in the hollywood bowl they'd get in the way of the people behind you um but thankfully it's part of the parks and rec you you've heard of that oh yeah no uh part of this plan part yeah oh you were contacted about this yeah anything that has to do with parks so you closed down griffith park you closed down hollywood got us all out there the whole cast

putting up police tape like this is all closed down folks even ben schwartz yeah oh yeah ben he led the charge leading the whole thing wow um but yeah uh they closed it down so it was rescheduled to uh uh as of this taping last monday and uh it was really good how do i not know about any of these shows well okay so i i think i went last summer last summer was probably the summer that rock and roll opened back up to the public yeah um and i think I went last summer kind of in your headspace going, wait, who played where? And what did they how? Did you get on some email lists or something?

I wish there was one site that would just tell you. I know. I've seen a few of those, and I've been on one. I found one at one point that just listed every day, every single thing happening, and I've never been able to find it one at one point that like just listed every day, every single thing happening. And I've never been able to find it again. That would be amazing. Yeah.

Because I know from driving by the Hollywood Bowl, like I do almost every day, that's where I find out usually about who's playing there. Yeah. The 101 is usually playing, right? Yeah. The 101 freeway is usually playing. Oh, wait, no, that's a different sign yeah um um

yeah so you'll know you'll know the day of or honestly i probably wouldn't have gone even though i love my morning jacket and flea fox why would you not have gone i don't know it that's a weird position to take i know i i went there i saw theure. I could not get tickets for that. Can you believe it? An 80s goth like myself? I feel like you didn't try hard enough. How am I supposed to try? I don't have a big, badass publicist anymore.

No, ask Christy. She could get them for you. Christy could? Yeah. I feel weird asking her for stuff. We're talking about Christy Brinkley, of course, who was in the front row during Billy Joel when we saw her,

and he dedicated Uptown Girl to her. And she gets us concert tickets. Or she gets me concert tickets. She has an in, obviously. Yeah. I feel bad talking to her, because I'm like- I think she calls Billy Joel,

and then Billy Joel called the Cure. He's like, hey, this is William Joel here. He calls himself William with the Cure. Only with the Cure as well, because they know him as william um because of the smith song william it was really nothing it's a it's a hard hard thing to kind of parse out but it makes sense if you yeah puzzle it together um but uh yeah i so what i did what i did was i just kind of went to every venue and i looked at the entire season and said, I want to go to this.

Smart. I want to go to this. I want to go to this. I'd like to go to that. I'd like to go to that. A little bit of this. A little bit of that. I'm glad I wasn't there for that particular.

Although I did go to, I almost asked you about this and then I was like, he's not going to want to go to this. What was it? But I went to the Totally 80s live show at the Greek Theater. The person I was going with backed out a couple days earlier. And I asked a few people. And then I was like, should I ask Adam? And I was like, fuck no. Who was it?

He'll never do this. Okay, we have Trans X. We have the Untouchables. We have General Public. We have Belinda Carlisle, we have Missing Persons, we have Wang Chung, we have Stacey Q, we have Shannon. Was it like all day? No, it was 6 p.m. to 10.30-ish or so.

I may have gone. Was it spread out like, was General Public and Untouchables and Belinda Carlisle all at the end of the night they all played at the same time oh yeah so they all played at the same time for five hours that sounds great no they all played three songs belinda carlisle played seven because she was three songs they all played three songs the untouchables uh 12 people on stage by my estimation so how do they make a living i don't know they played four of these shows i think they played arizona and they played uh here in san diego maybe in another place texas maybe and i was like i is that a a private jet

situation for the untouchables or is that a bus or is that a van people um they're great yeah no i was really looking forward to seeing the untouchables because i never got to see them back during the day all my high school friends we were all really into them yeah and so i'm like the untouchables kind of almost sold it for me they played second at 6 20 oh wow for and and they played two songs i'm like these guys are good and then right before the third talk this is our last song it was like what i audibly said what weird and then that was the thing everyone played three songs wang chung played four now were they great wang chung i'd never seen and they were really really good that doesn't surprise me they have some good fucking song a ball up there they played a cover of should i stay

or should i go where they were like should we wang or should we chug? Please tell me you're not kidding. I'm not. You are serious? I'm 100% serious and it was very funny. And it was going into Everybody Have Fun Tonight. It was just like kind of an intro. Should we wang

or should we do-do-do-do-do everybody? Wow. It was very funny okay and they were laughing while they were doing it and just having fun they weren't all that self-serious so they played everybody have fun tonight and then of course they play dance hall days of course and then their other minor hit um what is that one called that's called trying to remember what that other song was um it's called uh i don't even know it was a minor hit though and then they also played uh the to honor william friedkin which by the way wang chung paid tribute to william friedkin yeah is

this an episode oh to live and die in la i think this is an episode of i love films 100 hey everyone welcome to i love films this is scott and this is scott and um talking about film not movies not although we love we love movies sure no listen there's a time and a place for movies and you know what that time is anytime you go out to a theater oh sure i love it uh the popcorn just turning your brain off and just like enjoying some dumb commercial piece of shit just like the the dolby sound oh my god like just an overwhelming sensory experience that who cares if the movie is even good the explosions the chase scenes the mtv style cutting love it all yeah love arnold schwarzenegger arnold schwarzenegger like

every movie that i've ever seen has arnold schwarzenegger, like, every movie that I've ever seen has Arnold Schwarzenegger. Every single one. Every single movie I've ever seen. I've only seen movies that he's, even, there's a couple where he makes quick, like, two-second cameos.

Like, hey, if Arnie ain't in it, I ain't going. Fuck it. All right, bye. Bye. Yeah, To Live and Die in L.A. They did the theme and dedicated it to him.

Is Fire in the Twilight, was that one of their... Did they have a... Hologram? Guitar? Yes. Of William Friedkin? Yes, the William Friedkin hologram yes of william freaking hologram dancing along this is my favorite song you know william freaking was uh obviously a great

filmmaker i don't know if did you ever notice don't let go i believe that is wang chung's other minor hit or maybe wait i feel like there's another big one other than dance all days everybody have fun tonight and you would be wrong let's go maybe everything else is like in the 80s on the uh on the charts william friedkin um i heard him on fresh air once he sounds exactly or sounded exactly like donald trump really yeah if you listen to your impression of donald trump right now hey everybody um but it was uncanny really maybe it was just this one interview it was like 10 years ago or something anyway i don't mean to disrespect the great William Friedkin because he was far cooler than Donald Trump. I'm trying to remember what the other song that they did was.

Oh, it's Let's Go. Was the other song that they did. Let's Go. And that was, I'll tell you where that hit on the charts. Let's Go. By the way, they have a song called Don't Let Go. And then there's one called Let's Go. It's like, guys, make up your fucking mind.

Let go. Let's Go hit number 81 on the UK charts, which are usually a little more forgiving. And then in the US, it went to, did it go to number nine in the US? Oh, holy shit. It went to number 9 in the US. That's pretty big. Can you play that song?

I don't know which one that is. Yeah, I'll look it up here. Now, by the way we'll go to YouTube. Hopefully there's not a few ads because I don't have an ad blocker so we'll see. How do you get an ad blocker for YouTube? I don't know. This is an ad for my Big Fat Greek Wedding 3.

I know. I could tell just by listening to it. The most important journey you got us back to Greece is the one that brings you home. You're the head of the family now. Me? Yeah, you. Hey, it's going to be okay. My Big Fat Greek Wedding 3.

Pick the one we have for dinner. I'm a vegetarian. No. Are we going to do the outdoor screening of that? Oh, yeah, definitely. Okay, now there's an ad for TurboTax. Maybe? Fiverr. Okay, here we go they have in the video they have some geisha girls i'm not sure because these are is this later period like this is this is like everybody have fun tonight era. Meet me and we'll talk the language of love.

I'll meet you anywhere you want. Meet you anywhere you want. I'll meet you on a boring floor. Restaurant. Come on, ballroom floor. I'll meet you on a boring floor. Ballroom floor. We'll float to a level above.

Wow. I wish you'd drop what you're doing and get on the case. We could blow this existence right out into space. By the way, if you're dating a woman, we could flood this existence right out into space. That does not sound good to me. That sounds a little... Oh, here it is. Yeah, this is it.

God, I don't remember this at all. Sounded good in concert, I got to say. I bet it did. I was never a huge fan of theirs, other than I remember this at all. Sounded good in concert, I gotta say. I bet it did. I was never a huge fan of theirs, other than I love Dance All Days. But when Everybody Have Fun Tonight came out, I was like, is this stupid? But now having seen them in concert,

they know it's stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously. And so they're laughing during it. I always thought they were self-serious guys, but it was funny. So I, I was never that into them, but they played,

they sounded really, really good. And you know who sounded the best was the guy, the lead singer of the romantics put together like an all-star band with Clem Burke from Blondie playing drums. And, uh, one of the guys from drama Rama playing guitar,

they played this night and they played four songs as well. And one in a million sounded amazing. Huh? Um, yeah. Dance hall days is a great, I just heard that recently on the radio or something. It's like,

holy shit, this is a great song. Why? Yeah. Why did I, why did they play it on the radio? Why did you hear it? It was on the radio.

Sirius XM? Heard of it? This is The Romantics with One in a Million. This sounded so good. Do you know this song is a minor hit for them? I think so. Sounds like walking down the hall in a John Hughes high school-based movie. Oh, yeah.

This is cool. It's a good song. Bruce Springsteen fans, how are you doing out there? Hanging in? I feel whatever around you. similar melody to the prince cindy lopper song when you were mine yeah not this a billion to one. I don't know.

So wait, Wang Chung played after The Untouchables? Oh, yeah. Like when it wasn't dark out yet? Untouchables played when it was light out, and by the time Wang Chung came out, it was dark. It was dark. Yeah, I feel like... Was it dark because the sun went down,

or because they turned out the lights at the Greek theater? or because they turned out the lights at the greek theater well they turned out the lights at the greek theater but this it's an outdoor arena so they instead they took about 45 minutes to pull a tarp over the entire audience so then it got dark yeah it got pretty dark but the tarp it didn't have any support so it was just on the heads of all the heads yeah and then someone had some matches yeah and they were like no no no and they came around one by one and blew them all out as well so it took like 10-15 minutes 10-15 minutes to blow out all the matches but um everyone was very like a couple people had matches but no one turned the lights on in their phone it was their light crowd well because it's an 80s show everyone acts as if it's the 80s so they

don't bring their iphone yeah exactly well that that's one of the things that if you go to one of those shows anything that's been invented and any car that's passed 1989 they don't allow in there so so everyone had roadie rotary phones roadie phones they had roadie phones but wait a second but wait are you mad that i didn't text you about this because you wouldn't have gone right i don't know i don't know because no the other night i saw at hollywood bull culture club and two other bands that i can't remember were playing and i was like holy shit that would be so fun oh you saw they were playing but didn't I saw it on the marquee it was culture club do you know who it was uh it was I know it was definitely culture club because you just said it uh let me look it up oh missing persons I think like I don't think it was

missing person because I just said missing oh Berlin oh it was Missing Persons, because I just said Missing Persons. Oh, Berlin. Oh, it was Berlin. Okay, I've seen Berlin before. It was Culture Club Berlin and then someone else awesome. I'll tell you who it was. You got Culture Club. Yeah. That's all the information that I've been able to come up with. They played two nights at the Bowl, as far as I remember. As far as you know, they played two nights at the bowl as far as i remember as far as you know they played two nights at the bowl i'll tell you what every site i go to just list culture club oh

come on uh come on websites come on websites just because it's something that happened in the past doesn't mean that we can't um check out who was there okay here we go ready boy georgian culture club that's all they have on this jesus christ come on uh i'm gonna look up hollywood bowl schedule it's howard jones and berlin oh okay i don't remember it being howard jones i mean i'm gonna take your word for it i like howard jones but uh but i'll say that uh yeah i think it was it was howard jones about i mean that would be a cool show but they're filling the uh the hollywood bowl for two nights that's amazing i mean yeah that's a big place people like culture club they had a lot of hits they had a lot of hits they were huge that's that's kind of what i was saying about a while i mean boy george is still huge the the one thing that i was i was saying

about this show that i saw belinda was the only one with like like people were only allowed to play their hits yeah and most of them are like one or two hit wonders yeah so that's why they were just like yeah only three songs of these in fact musical youth played whoa and they only were allowed two songs and because they only have one song that anyone has ever heard of as the duchy they played that but then they had to play bob marley's one love in order to just be like yeah here's another one you know please don't walk out during us poor guys but um so you you maybe would have gone gosh Gosh, just to even hang with your bro, Linda Carlisle. She's good.

This is a pulse-bounding recollection. My one beef with seeing Belinda Carlisle is these are like Richard Blade-hosted. They're like K-rock alternative shows, and she's got pop hits. Yeah, she's not really a K-rock artist. She was for a while. So she definitely played a bunch of, she played like two, at least go,

go. Oh, great. Which ones? Um, hi, we're the go, goes goodbye.

We were the go, go. Yeah. Those are great songs. Um, I love the go, goes. Yeah.

I've seen, I've seen the go, goes at the Greek as well. I saw them at the Troubadour. Whoa. When in 1984, when? In 1980? Really? Yeah.

What were you doing? I was going to the Troubadour to see the Go-Go's. They got together and put out a best of with a couple new songs around that. Yeah, a double disc one with three new songs. And they did a surprise show. Was it a surprise to them or like they were like what and it's like surprise you're playing a show they hand them their instruments that would be a really good idea for a show yeah they were so good but you know those well i'm sure

they would still be good i think they're yeah they just uh did you hear their most recent song that they put out in order to try to get into the rock and roll hall of fame which they did no why did they have to put out a song to get into well i think okay so they they put out that documentary about them in order to kind of like i and i'm being craven about it like i'm, this is me thinking that people have ulterior, ulterior motives, maybe played into a little bit or a lot, but who knows. But,

but they, they realize they're up for the rock and roll hall of fame. And so put out a documentary in order to make everyone go like, Hey, this is an important band. Yeah. They put out a, a new song. This is like a couple of years ago,

2020. Great ago. 2020. Great year. Yeah, a real high point for our country. This is probably the best thing to happen in 2020. Wouldn't you agree? 100%. Let's wait for the chorus, see what we think. Tick tock, tick tock.

That's the sound of a clock. I remember this in the documentary. Oh, you did see the documentary? Uh-huh. Yeah, it was a good documentary. Uh-huh. It's out of time. Hey, we got something to say.

Gonna make the world shake ready or not go-go's more like the went wince the what? the went wince I mean Pete wince more like Pete wince

what if they came back but the wince brothers were in the band never mind I loved came back but the wentz brothers uh were uh in the band never mind the i do i i loved them so much and do love them so much so they did go into the rock and roll of fame did that already happen yeah they got in oh good i'm pretty sure let me let me just check because that would be ridiculous if they did i'm the king of saying things happened um and i don't want the corrections that we

normally get uh but uh history a lot of stuff happened a lot of stuff happened documentary rock and roll hall of fame induction yes reunion tour no in 2023 belinda carlisle declared the group had disbanded feeling like there was something to be said about leaving on a high note and it didn't get much bigger than being inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame their last show was may 31 2022 jesus so they did they did do yeah they did a uh oh no no no they they were they were doing a tour with billy idol that was supposed to be 2022 and then billy idol fell ill and it had to be postponed without the go-go's and then they broke up boy i tell you seems like a uh tumultuous uh band yeah it seemed like it was you know well

a lot of stuff a lot of strong strong personalities, wouldn't you say? Which is why they're great. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. And by the way, at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or at least at the show to celebrate the induction, Gina Schock did not play drums. Clem Burke, the aforementioned Clem Burke from Blondie played.

Oh, interesting. Why not? Why didn't she? I don't fucking know. Okay. Jane Weedland's incredible. Yeah. They're all so so good they're great songwriters too yeah kathy valentine kathy valentine's great incredible group uh and they have like like even uh talk show is that the name of their last album the last one is god bless is it god bless the gogos i think that's like later like after

they oh oh i i know but talk show is their last like classic period yeah yeah so good so good oh has the whole world lost its head that was the 94 reunion single that they put yeah that was pretty good yeah it was and i i i do uh think their album their reunion album the god bless the gogos is great is it every song on it is really great i think that's great i don't know if i know yeah adam's making a note to himself pretend to listen to what scott says wait when did they put out a reunion it was like 2002 i'm gonna get a little confirmation on that 2001 uh do you want to hear this a little bit of the single yeah all right

here we go this is unforgiven by the gogos Always trying to clean up my catastrophes Taking full responsibility Living my life like every day is the last Remodeling the wreckage of my past But when it comes to you I know I said I do But I don't No I don't

You're unforgiving So go on living Knowing that I've unforgiven you And my thanksgiving Came the day I saw it was okay To unforgive you What do we think?

That's pretty good. Co-written by Billy Joe... Oh, really? No, Billy Joe Armstrong? That's pretty good. Co-written by Billy Joe. Oh, really? No, Billy Joe Armstrong. That's what I thought you were going to say. I think Head Over Heels might be my favorite. Belinda played that the other night. She did.

Oh, good. Head over heels, clap. Do I go. It's a tough one to get the clap right. Yeah, it is. And she even was like count like helping us count it she's like you got to count to seven one two three really yeah she's like two three four five six seven or was it on the seven i can't remember but she says she has

to do it in her head as well um i saw i once saw anna uh warren. How do you pronounce that name again? Anna Warnker. Warnker. Warnker. Yeah, I saw her sing it with one of the Go-Go's, with Kathy Valentine probably. Is that right? I saw her sing it.

And with her husband, Steve McDonald of Red Cross. I forget why that show was happening i think it was a that dog show i can't remember in any case did they name the album talk show i remember being like in the fourth grade and wondering why is this called talk show i think they were hoping for the tonight show to rename themselves as the go-go's ah like the the go-go's starring johnny carson yeah it didn't it did they they were briefly planning on doing a swap and yeah johnny carson renamed the tonight show for about not that long about 18 months as the go-go starring johnny carson and then he was just like what are we doing

yeah come on the go-go's broke up and he's like i'm stuck with this name now yeah and then the go-go's reneged and they would not rename their album talk show as record album like they had originally planned i don't know anyway the, the Go-Go's, great group. How are you guys doing, Springsteen fans? Springsteen fans out there, how are we doing? Okay, we need to take a break. Can you imagine we need to take a break right now? We're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to about um born in the usa born to run

oh that's right we'll be right back with more you spring and springsteen on my beam all over the world the rain was born i was scratching Welcome back. You spring in Springsteen on my beam. Back to the Go-Go's. Just really quick before we get back to the Go-Go's. Here's a trivia for you. Okay. trivia for you okay who was playing on thursday july 13th at the west palm beach florida i think financial amphitheater i is that you saying i think finance or it's called financial amphitheater

amphitheater no i think which is a company what about amputee amputated. No, I think, which is a company. What about amputated theaters, where you go and you get amputated? I think that's maybe what they meant, and there's a typo here. This past July 13th? Yeah, don't Google it. I'm not. It's just a piece of trivia. I'm not even typing. My hand is literally an inch above the computer.

I can see you warming up those little digis getting ready to click, click. Who is, where is this? West Palm Beach, Florida. The, I think, financial amphitheater on Thursday, July 13th. Who was playing there? Bruce Springsteen. No. Who?

The Culture Club, Howard Jones, and fucking Berlin. That's where they played on July 13th. Okay, very cool. You're looking at their entire tour history? Well, it was on my phone when I opened it. Are you looking for where their future shows are so you can finally catch one? I had Googled who's touring with Culture Club. You wouldn't go literally one mile from your house?

That's right. That's where I'm gonna go see him if i had a time would you have got to that no i would not have you would not have no culture no no to the show that i was going to invite you to it was on a sunday night if if you were saying hey i i have these tickets and and it's free ticket yes free ticket yeah i would i would go with you if you were going i should have invited you you totally should have i would have gone oh well i don't i it sounds like the people like the crowd would have been uh good people watching yeah yeah yeah it seems like every k-rock listener is and

i've been to a few of these k-rock shows it seems like they all are five years older than me all the time and i always look at them and go oh they look they look like shit. And then I realize, oh no, I saw them last five years ago. I looked like shit to me five years ago. Now I'm five years older. Yeah, it was a good, I still am on record thinking you would not have gone. But we'll see.

I don't know. You know what? We'll never know. We'll never know. I'm out of the whole game of buying extra tickets for friends though this has soured me on uh because you end up eating that ticket eating shit yeah it's just so uh i i just uh other than uh flea foxes and and my morning jacket which cool up said she wanted to go to uh i just go by myself now did cool up go with you yeah she had a

great time i feel you know I think I told the story on one of our podcasts where I got burned and had to go to Lollapalooza by myself once. Really? When you're in your 20s, maybe not that fun. Because you don't have something to get back home to. You know what I mean? Nowadays,

it's like, hey, it's fun to go to a show by yourself because you're away from the house. It's fun to do anything by yourself. But back then, it's like, hey, it's fun to go to a show by yourself because you're away from the house. It's fun to do anything by yourself. But back then, it's like, oh, I'm lonely. Oh, yeah, because there was just a studio apartment with mice living in it waiting for me. Which Lollapalooza? Hole and Sonic Youth were the headliners. I missed that one.

And I was in third row center by myself it was very weird were people looking at you like who's this fucking loser that's how i felt all day but i'm sure no one ever no one gave you um no i don't feel that way anymore i'm just like you know what i'm cool by myself in fact this particular show that i went to without you the other day yeah i had the seat next to me open. I was like, well, at least I'll have a little more leg room. But then the four next to that were open. Whoa.

And the people on the other side of those four were like, as they were passing me to get to their seats, were like, you need to come down and sit with us. And I was like, come over more towards me. I'm in the center. You could really take your pants off and stretch out yeah stretch everything what do you mean i don't know i don't understand um but good show good show and um but we're talking about a little guy named bruce springsteen today and um no let's let's let's get into it uh unless you have any other culture club dates you want like past or present i mean i could no let's stop doing that um one thing i did want to say is

this is our third episode regarding bruce springsteen and he has do you want to guess has he contacted us or no regarding our demands? I actually don't know. I haven't asked you. What do you think? Like, if you had to guess. The preponderance of the evidence suggests. Well, if I was to go purely on precedent, I would say no.

But I'm a glass half full kind of gal. Half full of what? Air because it's empty. Right. So you're a glass half full of

air. Yeah. Meaning the glass is empty. 100% empty. And you're never going to get what you's right so you're an optimist yeah and it's also half full of air yeah uh i would say you know probably probably not would it surprise you then to learn adam that bruce springsteen has not called us back. Whoa. You had me there for a second because you said has. He has not called us.

And so you know what that means. We need to up our demands. Yeah. So he'll get in touch. So he'll get a little human touch. When we left off, I believe our demands were three-hour interview, all chit-chat, six if little Steven has to come. I'm sure we talked about some merch. Yeah.

T-shirts. T-shirts. I think he has to write a song about us. Yeah. Because, I mean, look, we're recording. These podcasts are even longer than albums he puts out. That's right. So we're doing the lion's share of the work here.

Certainly longer than Born to Run, this week's album. So, like, come on, bro. Yeah. Like, write one four-minute song about us. Just do your part. We're doing our part. We're doing our part. We're doing the heavy lifting here. Bruce.

Anyways. What are you on tour or something? So, so I think we need to up our demands now. Yeah. I'm thinking instead of a three hour interview, three hours in one minute. Yeah.

Cause you know, with real interviews, like you watch Barbara Walters or Hugh Downs. Yeah. Any of those two, either one of them, either one of them, it's always the last 60 seconds.

Yeah. Where they really get them. No, that's, that's the thing is, is like, if you ever watch one of their interviews,

like- Those two. Those two, only those two, they whittle it down from the, from like a five-hour chunk. Oh, yeah.

And they don't ask anything of interest until the last- It's just chit-chat. Until finally the interview subject is like, goes,

and looks at their watch and they go, did you kill those people? Where were you on march 5th and then it's like who's playing july 3rd in palm beach florida you gotta lull these people into a false sense of security so you can really hit them at the in the last 60 seconds as they're out their door oldest trick in the book the only people that were really good at it barbara walters hugh downs yeah and us and the two of us by the way something that we forgot to mention uh on our last episode pamela springsteen oh we forgot to mention it although i i wonder if we would have posted the picture

on the first step but uh but yeah so pamela spring i mean we mentioned it the first step the first step you uh had your some of your early headshots taken by bruce springsteen's sister yeah pamela springsteen pamela springsteen from fast times at ridgemont high and uh she was an actor in fast time she was an actor acted in a few movies and uh you said oh God, I just remembered that she took my headshot. And you then sent me that headshot. Yeah. Weirdly, my daughter found it in a bunch of her crap when she was cleaning out her room. And she handed it to me and said, I don't want this anymore. Why are you giving your daughter your headshots?

I don't know. I found it in storage or something and gave it to her as a joke. Like, ha ha ha look at this i you know what i did i pinned it up on her like bulletin board as a joke and i think it just ended up getting covered with stuff over so she never took it down she just covered it with stuff that she was more interested in you know i think it was up there but still partially visible and she was just like just the eyes my friends keep asking me why i have a picture of my dad on my bullet that's really fun so you need to take this oh i i would have gone the other way if i were her i know that the the pressure to seem cool is is there but i would have been like

what it's pretty fun yeah i would have kept it up there longer but uh so yes you you sent the photo to me and hopefully we put it up there in the social media or something on that first episode. And what do you think of her technique and her style? You look pretty good, I thought. Yeah, I mean, I look like I'm three years old. It was a long time ago. What was that? 1995.

Wow. How long? That would have been almost 30 years, 28 years at this point by my count. She was very nice. I remember she was super nice. Well, I mean, you kind of have to be if you want people to pay you to do something, right? Yeah, I guess so. But I also had headshots taken by people that weren't so nice.

Really? What are some of your bad headshot experiences? Wait, is this bad headshot experiences? 100%. Shot through the heart, and you're too late, darling. You give love a bad name. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Bad Headshot Experiences.

This is Scott. And this is Scott. And we're talking bad HSEs. HSHs. HSS? HSEs. You're right. Oh, experience.

HMS. Pinafore? You know the Billy, who am I thinking of? Billy Joe Armstrong. No, who's the guy who played the guitar all the time with his teeth? Jimi Hendrix. Billy Zabka? Jimi Hendrix.

Jimi Hendrix. I thought Billy for a while. Are you thinking of the ZZ Top dude? Billy Gibbons. He played... When I saw Billy Joel in the spring, he came out and played. He came out and played Legs. I don't remember what they played together.

They did not play Legs. They played a cover of an old blues song or something. Okay, so here's the three things that can happen when a special guest from another band, another big musical artist comes out and plays with someone who's there to actually headline. What they usually do is they play on one of the headliner songs. Right.

Snoozeville. Sure. That was going to happen anyway. Yeah. Okay, number two is they play an old blues song. The cover of an old blues song? Which also, honestly, kind of Snoozeville. Yeah.

Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. honestly kind of snoozeville number three is play one of their songs yeah billy joel play sharp dress man you like what if the sharp dress man met the uptown girl whoa they would love each other they would get married because she's from uptown and likes rich things and you know that she's sharp dressed as well yeah so and he's sharp dressed because he's from uptown and rich he's gotta be from uptown they probably already know each other the original song uptown girl it doesn't make any sense because it's all about an uptown girl who likes like a mechanic like a mechanic it's like that i've never billy joel played a mechanic in the video he dances around with a wrench that's right it doesn't make any sense.

That's never happened. No, rich people like to date other rich people. In fact, usually it's like they go, hmm, are you a little richer than me? Great. Perfect. So Uptown Girl meets Sharp Dressed Man. You got something.

It's a match made in heaven. You got a song there, Billy. They're both rich. They both dress really well. Yeah. Because they're rich. And they go, they spend their time exclusively uptown. Yep. And they're a man. They're a girl.

Yeah. And so they go together like peanut butter and jelly. Yeah. PB&J. Man and girl. Well, as do girls and girls and men and men and men. Whoever and whoever. Yeah. They all go together like peanut butter and jelly. Everyone goes together like, man and girl. Well, as do girls and girls and men and men and men. And whoever and whoever. Yeah, they all go together like peanut butter and jelly.

Everyone goes together like peanut butter and jelly. Which is the greatest combination. The greatest combination of things, yes. And we're not saying that men and men are like peanut butter and peanut butter. No, it's like peanut butter and jelly. Peanut butter and jelly. Yeah, that would be too much peanut butter. Yeah, but some people like too much peanut butter, and so that's great for them.

Sure. But a man and a man are like peanut butter and jelly. A great combination. Yeah, a great combination. The best combination. All right, bye. Wait. Shot through the heart, and you're too late.

Darling, you give love a bad name. What a great weird hedge on experiences. Bad hedge on experiences. Okay. All right. So, Bruce, three hours and one minute and the clock is ticking we need you to get a hold of us because it's that last 60 seconds that we need yeah we you know what when it was

originally three hours we weren't gonna do the last 60 seconds of the hard-hitting questions nope but now three hours of chit chat we won't even turn on the tape recorder and we record on tape no for anything until the last 60 seconds and then we're gonna hit you fucking hard man we're gonna come at you with all we got guns blazing get ready if you want we can do that last 60 seconds before the chit chat. Sure, but it's going to make the chit chat fucking awkward. Yeah. Because you're going to be sitting there mortified. You're going to be blown to the back of the room.

But we'll do it. Sure. We'll do it. Whatever you want. Whatever you want. We can do it in the middle of the five-hour interview. Three hours. Three hours unless little stephen's there oh that's right and you can't talk about music yeah it's all chit chat but you we can you

look we'll allow it if you want to talk about previous places the culture club howard jones and berlin that's right you can talk about that because you may have played some of those amphitheaters we don't want to hear about your experiences. No. We want to hear what you think Culture Club, Howard Jones, and Berlin House. What they played. What they played. Not how their experience was backstage from your own experience.

No. What they played. And you can't look it up. No. At setlist.com. You have to know all their songs, too. Yeah. You can't sing them.

You're going to have to come loaded for bear. Just like we are with our hard-hitting questions, you're going to have to come remembering every single song Culture Club has ever played. That last 60 seconds too, we're going to ask you whatever we want, and it might be music, but it might also be other stuff.

It's probably going to be pretty personal. Oh, it's going to be deep and tough. And by the way, you can't dodge any question no or we start over with three hours so bruce look it's just getting worse for you the longer you stretch this out yeah i can't i mean i've never heard a better pitch for someone to come and do an interview i mean it's like we're giving him a Christmas present with this. You know? What, are you going to turn down Christmas presents?

No. Eesh. All right, let's talk about this album, Born to Run. Born to Run. Great title. Great title. Great title. Let's do the stats here first.

Released. Okay. Remember our previous episode? You have The Wild, The Innocent, and The E Street Shuffle. Yeah. Was released tail end of 1973. I think November, maybe. This is released August 25, 1975.

So a year and a half, maybe even a year and 10 months after the previous record. Which back then was a long time. A long ass time because normally you'd put out at least one a year. Yeah.

Recorded in New York City first at at nine 14 sound recording studios. Then at the record plant, we'll get into that a little bit produced by Micah Pell, who produced the last co-produced the last couple of records, as well as a new guy named John Landau, who we will talk about. And then also on the E Street Band side, you have a couple of people who played one song. You have David Sanctius,

who played on the last couple of records, I believe. He plays on Born to Run. And Vinny, who was drumming on the last couple of records he quit in between and so this other guy named ernest carter who is david sanctius's friend uh played on born to run drums and then the two of them were like we're fucking out of here and they went and they started their own band called tone great move great so they they left after born to run after recording after recording the song which by the way let's talk about what happened with this record so the previous two records come out and they brick wait can i just say yeah there's also a new engineer that joins

yes in the fray yes new little guy with a big big personality and headphones up the wazoo and magic fingers for them boards yeah jimmy iovine this is where he enters the picture yep yep okay that's all i want to add so uh the last couple of records brick um they get the first one especially gets notice yeah and uh gets written up a lot but the they don't sell anything and so what i found interesting by the way did you watch the documentary on on the uh on this record no i listened to the re-listened to the um chapters in oh in in the book okay uh yeah i got the i got the box set with the documentary it's like a two hour two hour documentary and then also a two hour uh concert uh oh yeah it's a the the concert

hammersmith odian yeah yeah um so so essentially uh what i found interesting was the record company says like okay you need a hit otherwise we're gonna drop you and they give him a giant budget yeah that's not usually how usually it's like two albums take what we give you take what we give you and you better come up with a hit even though you but they they gave him a big big budget wow so when we say that these two people left after playing one song it's because he took six months to write to record the song born to run yeah and he just he lays down the the basic track this is the first time by the way that they the band did tracking uh and the first two records they played everything live in studio this is the first time where they do basic tracking, which when we say that what that means is usually like sometimes they'll start with one instrument, like the bass,

and then add the drums and then layer stuff on top. This time they played drums, bass, and acoustic guitar to lay down the basic track. And then they go and they just layer a bunch of stuff on it and try to figure out what works. And is part of that because he was looking for that Phil Spector-y kind of sound? Yeah. In his head, he wants to do a Phil Spector wall of sound thing production-wise. With the songs, he is writing and rewriting and rewriting. In fact, he has a huge notebook um just for this album where he writes one draft then he rewrites them again then he rewrites them again then he rewrites them again

honestly like two great effects like some of some of the later albums you'll see i have to get that notebook back out and try to rewrite some of these um but um he just is really trying to perfect this, this record. Um, and he's pulling back a little bit, but lyrically, it's not quite as busy lyrically as those first two. So it's interesting in the, in the documentary, they play a promo ad for the, one of the announcers like this guy paints more images with more words in one song than most artists do in their whole album yeah and and if you've heard our previous two episodes that's what he's trying to do is like everything is dense yeah the rhyme schemes are uh almost gratuitously complicated that's right and and the band sounds like it's at a party. Yeah.

And he's trying to really just put these images in your mind. He's trying to be a storyteller. For this record, he starts saying like, you know what? I'm going to strip it back. I'm going to use less words. Yeah. And he's going for a feeling on this. There was a quote that I want that I pulled that I wanted to, uh,

uh, talk about the feeling is, um, people struggle to grow up and become independent and to find out what that means. Wait, say that again. No,

thanks. You got to listen. The first time you were on your phone well i was looking at the track list well why don't you listen to what i'm saying okay okay people struggle to grow up and become independent and to find out what that means to become independent and to grow up can you say that one more time fuck you you. Right. So that's, that's at least, I think that's John Landau saying what he,

what the, what the album is, but that's sort of the theme is like, he wants to become more universal. He's not talking about Jersey anymore. Yeah. All the songs could take place in the heartland or wherever. Broadening it out.

They're a little more universal and it's all about these characters. He, as Bruce Springsteen says in the documentary, he says, Broadening it out. They're a little more universal. And it's all about these characters. As Bruce Springsteen says in the documentary, he says, this is the start of him talking about these characters that will populate his work for the rest of his career for decades to come. And talking about freedom and breaking out of your circumstances and hitting the road. Exactly. These big kind of broad themes. He uses a lot of, especially for the titles of songs songs he uses a lot of noir and b-movie uh kind of image imagery uh with like titles of movies that he think he either saw or thinks he saw so thunder road is one which is the title of like just this

b-car movie uh car chase movie, and then he also wanted the, the, the feeling of familiarity, like feeling like you've been hearing this your whole life, but also sounding brand new, like nothing you've ever heard before. He was trying to like go for that duality. Yeah.

It'd be weird if he was like, I want it to sound like you've never heard it before, but it's all songs you have heard before. And then it's a covers record. And you're like, well, I've heard all these. He kind of said that in the autobiography, which was interesting. But I know what he means, too. All of the songs, you're like, oh, my God, is that a classic song that I have heard a million times?

And for a lot of us, they are. So that's what he's going for on this record. Um, and, but he gets into the studio and it just becomes a slog for him where they go six months and they're, they're trying to do born to run, just born to run.

And he's adding everything. He's adding glockenspiels. He's adding, uh, at one point they play a version with just a string and a full choir. Wow. In the documentary,

like they turned down every other instrument and it's just a full string section and a choir singing to it. And I would, by the way, I would love when they put out the deluxe version of this, they didn't have any bonus audio yeah and i think that was before that was kind of in vogue like i think it's hopefully

they're going to re-release it i remember having that box it was like 04 or something yeah and it's just the original album and two dvds yes you know so it's like i think hopefully in the future they're going to go back but i would love to hear that version for sure a full version just of that you know but so he's just adding all this shit and he doesn't know what to do and um we mentioned the other producer john landau and so here's what happens so he's just totally fucking lost yeah in his own head and this music critic um john lando puts out a review of a springsteen show that he saw and it says i've seen the future of rock and roll and its name is bruce springsteen and it just rhapsodizes about bruce springsteen and how you know this this guy's the future and he's amazing he's the best thing he's ever seen. And Bruce goes, I want him to produce the record.

He's not a musician. Well, didn't he meet him outside a club? And the guy was like, what do you think? Because the way he tells it, he's reading the review, pasted it up onto the wall, and John Lando comes up behind him and is like, what do you think? Right. And he's the one that wrote it.

And that's how they met. I just think it's a hilarious way to be this, this incredibly important person in your career. Uh, music. I mean, critics in general, I think,

uh, are great. And, um, you know, are, are sometimes they're just doing the criticism. They're,

they're, first of all, they're great writers because they have to be, uh uh in order to put out so many reviews of things but but you you would you would maybe say oh looking at something critically is a different skill set than producing a musical album right but uh something that bruce saw in him But something that Bruce saw in him was he saw a vision for what his career should be. And this guy just kind of could pinpoint everything that was good about him and made him feel like he was an important artist, I think. So he basically goes, okay, I'm going to hire you to co-produce this record because i have no idea what i'm doing right now i think a lot of this this stuff just comes down to taste and if you

trust someone's taste that goes a really really long way no matter what their technical abilities are yeah if you have someone who you trust who you can like forge this like connection with any kind of art yeah you usually run it by people whose taste you trust and if they're you know like you came to the between two ferns movie screenings that i that i was having and you you kind of i remember certain conversations where you and jason manzoukas and some other people were hanging out in the halls and kind of telling me what you think and every time you would talk i would kind of roll my eyes you know jason what do you think you would put headphones on whenever i started speaking but it was headphones playing rem and so you were happy and you were like yeah that's fine um so yeah so so this guy john lando comes in and the first thing he does is he looks

around the studio and um he goes this place is a fucking piece of shit. Yeah. It's on its last legs. We got to get you out of here. He goes, and I thought the funny quote was, you're a first class artist. You deserve a first class studio. That's right. And, you know, when you hear that, if you're the artist, you're like, oh, you're right.

I do. Totally. But John Lando was saying this to a guy whose first couple albums have basically ate shit. And he's just like, no, no, no. You're a first class artist. You we need to go into like a big expensive studio. It's important for people to hear stuff like that. So they because especially for someone like Springsteen is like come from the very bottom.

He think he's still thinking of himself as a struggling a Jersey deserves that shitty studio. Yeah. So he needed someone to come in and tell him no you're world class go to the incredible place yeah so they go to the record plant um and they start working on it there and basically john lando's job is just to kind of listen to stuff and go like uh this is all out of order this song. This song is great and needs to be on the record. This song is not so good. You know, he's just kind of the tastemaker guy.

Yeah. And then a couple of interesting things happen, which I think are very funny. This is also where a guy named Little Steven enters the picture. So Little Steven comes in. He's been around Bruce Springsteen. He's, he's, you know, he's been around Bruce Springsteen. He's been with Southside Johnny

and the Asbury Jukes. And, but he's like, you know, he's friends with Springsteen. So he comes into the studio one day

and they're playing Born to Run. Well, a couple of things he does this day he comes in. They're, they're trying to play, I think,

10th Avenue Freezeout, right? And the horn section, they have, I think Springsteen had written the horn arrangements or something, so they're all trying to play them and it sounds like shit, right? And they're all like, the horn players are like, I don't know what I'm playing here. This isn't all that good.

And little Steven is there, and the way he puts it, he goes like, well, the way I grew up, I'd never been around a studio. I didn't know you were supposed to be polite or anything. So he goes, I just didn't have that in me. So I was just like, no, no, here it is. And he goes and sings all the horn parts. Like the hook of the song. Yeah. He sings it to every single player and goes no you you sing you play this you play this you play this and then they all start playing it on 10th avenue freeze out and they're like oh this is incredible yeah and the song and that's there's

there are two different versions springsteen supposedly turns to john lando and goes time to put him on the payroll. Yeah. And that's where he joins the band. John Lando says like, in my recollection that night, I called you and said, like,

we should hire him to be part of the band, but that's where a little Steven starts. The other really funny thing that he does, which I think is very hilarious. If you know the song board to run is, um, the guitar part uh springsteen had a different guitar part with one subtle little change which is the you know the part that goes down down born to run yeah it was down down

he's where he's like bending the note up. And Little Steven's like, why are you doing that? Yeah, why are you doing that? He just goes, just make it. And then went in and played that on the electric guitar and Springsteen's like, oh yeah, you're right. That's way better.

And Springsteen says that is probably the biggest contribution to his music that Little Steven ever did. That's amazing. Because that really is like when that riff kicks in, the audience goes nuts. It's crazy. Yeah. And also they had layered so much shit on top of the guitar playing it that Little Steven didn't even hear the bended note as much he goes no no the note is this because because i think he grabbed his guitar to start playing in springs

he's like no no the riff is this do do do do little stephen's like what are you talking about so it gets to that note anyway he's like like, why bend it there? Just play it. Don't be like Beckham. He was like, please don't be like Beckham. And even though that movie and David Beckham had not, David Beckham probably hadn't even been born yet. He wasn't even a gleam in his father's nuts yet. They were still talking about him as a great soccer player. Exactly.

So that's the little Steven. That's how little steven joins the band the other ends up only on one track right and then the horn arrangement for for that avenue probably yeah so maybe he's more towards the end the other uh important person who comes in is a guy named max weinberg oh shit hitting the skins yeah and essentially what happens is uh vinnie leaves the band and what a fucking what a move wow and then um uh this other guy ernest carter drums for just born to run yeah and but then he and david sanctious leave to go start their own band tone and so max weinberg i think uh comes in on they audition um for keyboards and for drums and um max weinberg comes in and he knows one song he knows sandy i think he only knows that but he knows like he then he plays like an oldie or something like that. And they're like, OK, fine.

Like he's according to the documentary, they saw a lot of shitty people. Yeah. And he said in the thing that they everyone got a half hour to jam, whether no matter how bad or great you were. Can you imagine to play with us for a half hour? And there are a bunch of really shitty people. But can you imagine having to sit there after five minutes with someone who's terrible so so max weinberg he joins and then a funny thing in the documentary is is he didn't play on born to run and there's a part in born to

run in the in the sort of middle part that and they they isolate it and you hear it and it's kind of this weird jazzy thing that happens in the middle of it and he goes i have literally never been able to replicate this and i've tried i tried it and tried it and tried it when i joined the band and i've never been able i still can't play it to this day so i've eliminated it from born to run i've never played i wonder what part that is i watch the documentary. It just sort of does this weird, this jazzy timing. They isolate it in the documentary. They isolate it and it's, you know, this strange little

part. He goes, I don't have the skills to play that part. So Gary Talent and David Sanctius. Gary Talent is still there. No, Gary Talent is still there on bass. Not Gary Talent, sorry. Ernest Carter and David Sanctius. Right, right. They go and and form tone is tone a jazz

jazz band it sounds like the name of a jazz i wouldn't know because nothing ever happened with it but they are in the uh at least i think david sanctious is in the documentary um and then the other the other guy they hire is a guy named roy bitten yepon. Yep. And. Legend. He ends up playing with them for a really long time. In fact, I think still is playing with them.

And so that's a very, those are two important hires. And this is kind of where the Edible Street Band coalesces yeah and now we got something here so they they they start working in earnest now they have john landau there on this record and they cut a whole bunch of songs and uh they whittle it down to the eights that are on the record approximately uh by my count i was counting along with it i think it's about 39 minutes and 23

seconds wait let me check that give or take i've got 39 minutes and 23 seconds yeah So you were counting along too? Yep. Wait. Yeah. Wait. Let me check mine too. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. So here's how I did it basically. I just, you know, 1001, 1002,

1003, 1004, 1005. Okay, we have to take a break. When we come back, we're going to listen to these songs. We'll be right back with more You Spring in Springsteen on my bean after this. 1,010, 1,011, 1,012, 1,013, 1,014, 1,015. Mary's Dressways. Hey, welcome back. You springing Springsteen on my bean.

All right. So we're talking about Born to Run. Born to Run. Born to Run. And yeah, they finally get this record out, and they get the eight tracks. There's a little bit of hiccup in the final mastering stage. They talk about how basically they're mixing the album in three different studios while they're rehearsing for the tour upstairs right and they get out at like they rehearse it on the day the tour starts they're rehearsing at six in the morning while they're

mastering the album they finally like finish rehearsal listen to the album they're like okay that's good and then they get in the the van and they go to the first show. And then someone, like when they're on tour, someone brings a test pressing of the mastering of the album to get the sign off. Yeah. And apparently it sounds, the record player they were listening to it on sounded like shit. So he throws it into the pool and goes, fuck this record.

I'm not putting it out. Wow. Jesus. goes fuck this record i'm not uh putting it out and then wow jesus and then someone has to go like okay buy a new uh record player and they listen to it again they're like okay i think it's okay yeah john lando was kind of like um you know it's probably you're gonna look back at this and probably be you know end up being not satisfied with some of it, but that's life. You know, it's the kind of the best we can do. We have to put it out. We have to put it out.

It's the best we can do. And they're like, okay, well, let's put it out. The one thing that John Lando was upset about was they misspell his name on the cover. And the funny quote in the documentary is he says, well, I said, that's not going to work for me. They put an H in his name.

Um, and so they, they go, well, but we've printed, we've pressed, you know, 800,000 of these.

And so what they do is they then print up all these stickers that go over and they they have someone put the stickers on every god those ones must be worth so much maybe yeah there there are a few test pressings that are instead of the font they're in cursive or something and those are like the holy grail of all springsteen what's in cursive the the born to like born to run and all the song titles and everything oh wow um i love the font they ended up i know it's so cool it's like the all that jazz font yep um all right so they put it out and uh you want to get to it song by song yeah here we go okay this is we heard a little bit of this before break this is thunder road now they talk about how every song has an intro and this is

likened to like daybreak like hey something's about to happen it's almost like oh what a beautiful morning screen door salams Already so different from everything he's done before. Don't turn me home again I just can't face myself alone again Don't run back inside, darling You know just what I'm here for So you're scared and you're thinking That maybe we ain't that young anymore Sure, little faith is magic in the night

You ain't a beauty, but hey, you're all right anymore The lover of stars is in the rain Waste your summer praying And beg for a savior to rise from these dreams But I'm no hero that's understood Or a dancer that went off a girl Is beneath this dirty hood With a chance to make it good somehow Hey, what else can we do now Except roll down the window

And let the wind blow back in Well, the night's busted open These two waves will take us anywhere We got one last chance to make it real To trade in these wings on some wheels Climbing back in One, waiting down on the track Oh, come take my hand Right now, tonight, to the case that promised land

Oh, Thunder Road Oh, Thunder Road Oh, Thunder Road It's hard not to play the whole thing. I know. Oh, Thunder Road. Oh, Thunder Road. It's hard not to play the whole thing. I know. That's sort of the chorus right there where he's singing, Oh, Thunder Road.

So great. He mentions Roy Orbison at the top, which is another, by the way, we were talking about how we got into Springsteen. Back in 87 or 88, I think, whatever Roy Orbison put out his re-recordings of all of his old songs that David Lynch produced. It was like a best-of record that David Lynch produced, new versions of all of his classic records. Was it the live concert?

No, it was before that. So this is like 87, I think it was after blue velvet essentially where where uh dennis hopper was it no no sorry uh quantum leap dean dean stockwell right right blue velvet uh dean stockwell lip sync to and to uh in dreams right or only the lonely um so then that got people interested in roy orbison again so david lynch then and angelo i think also worked on it and one other person worked on it where they they did re-recordings of all this news and that was the first Roy Orbison record I ever bought. And they quoted Springsteen's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction speech for Roy Orbison. I was like, oh, Springsteen, that kind of square guy from Born in the USA, likes Roy Orbison and talked about how all of his records were very influential on him and i think i think you hear it a lot in in the in the melodies

especially and in the longing yeah you know of all these and the kind of more theatrical singing when you compare it to the previous two records and the fact that he was doing a roy orbison impression yeah and dress like him with sunglasses that's That's right. And then after that was like the Jeff Lynn Roy Orbison album. Yes. So then they didn't start the crate.

That started the new thing. Yeah. And so that and that is the hilarious I call it hilarious because of one one moment in it. But that was where

they did the Black and White Night concert. That's right. Where he's got this incredible backing band of Elvis Costello Bruce Springsteen Tom Waits you know like doing all these old songs night concert that's right where he's got this incredible backing band of elvis costello bruce springsteen tom waits you know like doing all these old songs and um we've talked about it

with paul f tompkins where they point to tom waits and say like take a solo and then he plays the worst fucking solo in the world they all look at him like that sucks not really a solo player yeah um yeah so i mean already the already like the lyrics are less dense yeah he's talking about rolling down you know he's talking about cars and and it's just so confident and so good and feels super classic but brand new at the same time kind of like how he was saying um one of the i'm gonna go out on a limb one of the more classic bruce springsteen tracks yeah somewhat famous but a great way to to start the record and not a single though not a single no it surprises me um yeah we'll talk about the singles, but yeah, it's, I also just love, he played a little on, all these songs were written on the piano, not the guitar.

And someone talked about how, oh, it's interesting. A guy who can kind of like, is very halting on the piano, writes interest, a little more interestingly than a guy who's a virtuoso and knows everywhere you can go. So he's kind of like, how's this going? You know, when you see him on the piano and the whole, every song having an intro

and trying to set the scene in a theatrical way, I think is a really interesting way to write. And kind of introducing us to these characters. Yeah. This song was covered by such people as Cowboy Junkies.

They did Thunder Road. Yeah. you want to hear a little bit yeah alright love the Cowboy Junkies I know didn't you yell at them on the Dennis Miller show I did

do your impression of listening to them right now what I said at the Dennis Miller show yeah what I said at the Dennis Miller show. Yeah! Yeah! But then he has Roy Bitton re-record all the piano. He doesn't play it on the album, right? Who?

He just writes the songs on piano, but he doesn't actually play much. Oh, no, no, no. Springsteen just writes the songs on piano but he doesn't actually like play much oh no no no springsteen just writes the songs on piano himself but then he plays the guitar on them yeah so this is like one of the examples what album did they do this uh neath your covers part one oh i'll cover yeah cover record um badly drawn boy does this. Let's hear a little bit of that. Just him on piano, I believe. I know, a little bit of melodica, it sounds like. God, those first few Cowboy Junkies albums are great.

It's almost like you're a junkie for the Cowboy Junkies. I'm a junkie for cowboys. So a couple of instances of taking it slow, but then you have Greg Kinn also did a cover of it. Greg Kinn? Whoa. It's interesting because how do you improve on it? Yeah, it's like covering the Beatles.

Yeah. Which I think you and I should do. Yeah, let's do it. I'll put my Beatle covers. That'd be a great use of time. Maybe better than this. Yeah, why do this? It just kind of points out how deficient you are as a songwriter when you cover Bruce Springsteen.

So those are some of the... That's not very nice to say about great music. A great artist. Some great songs. Yeah. So great start to the album yes a plus bruce really cinematic great great great start c plus was this yeah all right okay so this is track two this is one of the more famous bruce springsteen

songs as well this is 10th avenue freeze out this. This is the song where Little Steven listened to the horns and this is the Little Steven horn arrangement. Here we go. Most of these songs, they still play every show. ¶¶ See you next time. This is sort of the mythology of how the E Street Band got together. I think he sang Bad Scooter, which is BS, means Bruce Springsteen. Uh-huh. There's a part, he says that the middle is the most important part where he's like i'm all

alone i'm all alone and then it goes then that part goes into uh the big man joined the band uh right um and then everything gels essentially he's talking about clarence clemens when you see him when you saw him right after clarence clemens passed away he would say like this is the important part and then they'd go the big man joined the band and everyone would freeze in a big picture of clarence clemens would come up now you still see the picture but they play through it but yeah he's all alone all alone huge moment whenever they play this live here it is change was made up town yeah there's the big man playing

so here's my thoughts on 10th avenue avenue freeze out by the way he doesn't know what 10th avenue freeze out means uh he's like I have no idea what that means. It's just important. It's such an important song and one of the best moments of any show. I would rather listen to any live version of it more than I would rather listen

to the studio take of it. Why is that? All the live versions have more energy. This is a little kind of simple to me. Like, just knowing what the song becomes. Yeah.

Which is this incredible wall of sound moment. Yeah, yeah. It's a little... This feels more antiseptic and studioized. What do you think? It's never been on my list of favorite bruce springsteen songs but i like it

and it's super fun live i think it's a sounds good on on the album it's just this i believe it feels more of its time than the rest of the album to me i believe this is the song where during the super bowl the uh fake ref came came up and, uh, flagged, uh, threw a flag on Bruce. Classic moment. Just made me laugh. Um, but,

but the live versions just sound incredible. I think so. So that's, that's always fun for me. It's, it's interesting cause I, it's the one song that I, where I think the studio version is just not good enough.

That's interesting. Usually I can separate a studio version from a live version pretty well uh but this one is just like oh man i wish they had cut like a version six months later yeah well they probably the song probably just grew so much on the road yeah well even even in the live uh hammersmith odian show that was recorded two months after the album came out it already sounds way better yeah so i don't know okay so uh maybe you should cut uh 10th avenue freeze out some fucking slack all right let's go to track three this is a song called night by Bruce Springsteen. The sound of the land It gets a little late And the boss man's getting new hair

Till you're out on a midnight run Losing your heart to a beautiful one And it feels right As you lock up the house Turn out the lights And step out into the night. And the world is busted and steeped, and you're just a prisoner of the extreme moment of your life. Because you were a part of me. Night.

Man. That is some good shit. It's so interesting because this is probably one of the, there's eight tracks. Yeah. This is probably like number six or seven in terms of important on this record. And it sounds amazing.

It's incredible incredible and it is like not one of the quote-unquote classic songs that everyone knows but it is he plays it he plays it a good amount on tour it's always a treat to hear it um it was recorded in the wall of sound style where a bunch of instruments play at the same time and you hear kind of a wash and bleed in between the mics where you hear like the guitar which has a mic in front of it but you also hear the guitar playing on maybe the sax players you know so it's like everything is sort of bleeding together um sounds great i love it very hard to mix i guess i would imagine this sounds very alive imagine this sounds very alive yeah one of one of the great tracks on it but it's so interesting that it's

considered lesser Bruce Springsteen in a way is it well because it's not like it's not one of the top one two three four I mean there's there's five songs in here that are considered classics. Four that are Stone Cold classics and one that's a classic. But it's on an album that's considered one of the great albums of all time. So I guess they're all pretty. But I would say it's not a song that when you go like,

name your favorite Bruce Springsteen song, it's going to be Night. Not a lot of people. Yeah, but it's great. It sounds amazing. Let's play the final track on side one. This is Backstreets by Bruce Springsteen. Oh, is this one by Bruce Springsteen? Thank you. Another intro. Really? We're salt and fast, it's some of me

And Terry Beak and friends Trying in vain to breathe the fire we was born in Catching rides to the outskirts, tying fate between our teeth Sleeping in that old abandoned beach house Getting wasted in the heat, yeah Hide on the back streets Backstreet. Backstreet's. Classic. Classic.

I think he plays that essentially every show, right? Or no? Not lately that much. Is he not playing it on the store currently? I don't believe he is ever. I thought he did. Yeah, I think he is. i think he's back to playing it you're right um but yeah it's it's usually on best ofs yeah what do we think of it

i love it i love this song you what are you not as no i think it's great i i out of the out of the holy Grail 4, which I would say Thunder Road, 10th Avenue, Freeze Out, Back Streets, and Born to Run, it's probably 4 for me. You don't put She's the One in that Holy Grail? That's the Holy Grail 5. Yeah, that's what I mean.

You don't expand it to 5? No, I'm talking about the Holy Grail 4, not the Holy Grail 5. Okay, what about the Holy Grail 4, not the Holy Grail 5. Okay. What about the Holy Grail 5? Probably 4. Oh, all right. No, it's probably 5 out of the Holy Grail.

Like, I would choose 9 over Backstreet's, personally. Yes. If I was choosing my own Holy Grail 4. Well, I'm saying the Holy Grail 4 of, like, the most important, canonically the most important. Bruce Springsteen. And I'm saying, canonically, my favorite of the most important canonically the most important bruce springsteen and i'm saying canonically my favorite of the that's not canon your your favorites are not canon for my own personal canon that i keep in my brain i could work your own personal canon over in the corner while i talk about this you're right i don't know what you're right about but you're right um yeah it's a it's a um scc scc okay well this uh the next song is the the the first song on side two but when you're listening to it in order on cd it's the fifth track which i think that's right i think i don't know i get with thunder road being number one because it's got the sort of

like oh what a beautiful morning intro but then i think you go into born to run i don't know but uh it's the centerpiece of the album it truly this is the song they spent six months recording this is born to run by Bruce Springsteen. ¶¶ Out on the streets of a runaway American dream At night we ride to mansions of glory And suicide machines Sprung from cages on Highway 9 Drone wheel, fuel injected And stepping out over the line

Oh, baby, this town rips the bones from your back It's a death trap. It's a suicide rap. We gotta get up while we're young. Cause tramps like us, baby, we were born to run. Can you imagine? I want to try and find that part that Max Weinberg can't play. Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's in the breakdown in the middle. Let's talk about it while we're waiting for it. I don't know. Does it get better? I don't know. It's amazing. This would be topping the list of almost any band. It's like one of those songs that it's hard to imagine not existing.

Yeah, it's hard to imagine them creating it because that means it didn't exist before. Like, how do you sit there and come up with a... I know. I don't know. I guess you wander around the house going... Oh, that was pretty good. Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

the house going oh that was pretty good oh yeah that's what it sounds like you know for the entire encore at the madison square garden shows they had all the house lights up right did i mention that you did i can't remember on my core or if it was just in our personal conversation which would surprise people listeners to know that during the breaks, we're talking about Bruce Springsteen as well. Which for like one song. It might be coming up here. Hold on, it might be here. It might be that. It's weird that Max Weinberg can't play that.

When you hear it isolated, it is really complicated. And it's like this weird jazz fill. Huh. So now we spoke on our first episode about how I don't even think I had ever really heard that song. Or at least never heard it with fresh, maybe heard it on oldies radio or something like that. Never paid attention to it but on one of my favorite albums of the 80s welcome to the pleasure dome by frankie goes to hollywood yes they have a whole that's a double album and one side of one record is like all covers

yeah and it's how that side of the album starts and it's born to run it's born to run and i heard it and my my friend put on that record and i hadn't heard it and i was just like this fucking song kicks ass let's hear a little bit this does sound good and especially hearing it in the context of like yeah electron sort of electronic two tribes. Yeah. Just suddenly going into this. It sounded so fucking good that it made me reassess. And you didn't know it was a Bruce Springsteen song? I knew, like, I looked at the record

and I saw it was the Bruce Springsteen. I'm like, oh yeah, this is the song everyone talks about. Yeah. And it made me love this song. Yeah, that's awesome. I just remember being a kid when born in the usa was huge and not no and later when i started kind of tuning into bruce greenstein then seeing there was something called born to run

and thinking it was odd that he had two born yeah and it's like dude what about what about being a teenager with a foreign identity? But it's an incredible song and an incredible recording. Okay, so let's listen to track two on side two. This is She's the One. You were mentioning She's the One. This is, you know, I would say Holy Grail 5. Yeah, HG5. HG5. But, I mean, it's ag5 but um i mean it's a it's a classic and he

still plays it and it's incredible i just don't think like when you're talking about the most important bruce springsteen songs over the breadth of his career you're not going to go like oh she's the one yeah but it's a big fan favorite yeah it's it's incredible this is she's the one by bruce Springsteen. With her hands on her hips, oh, and that smile on her lips Because she knows that it kills me With a soft French cream standing in that door like a dream I wish she'd just leave me alone Because French creams won't stop

when their boots and French kisses will not break their heart with a flower falling and their eyes that shine

like a midnight sun Oh she's the one So the song hasn't even really kicked in at this point. Still in sort of intro territory. I mean, obviously, because they're doing the... Here it is. The Bo Diddley beat.

The Bo Diddley beat. I was reading something recently about how the Bo Diddley beat is almost like a cheat code for making a song good oh really yeah that's interesting um the boat diddly beat of course you know on so many boat diddly songs but also on songs like desire oh yeah um yeah in the it came back in the 80s a lot of people were kind of the fat boys yeah and then Grateful Dead were

doing a Bo Diddley beat or something what did they use it on it was just sort of it was all the boomers making music in the late 80s remember when we were young in the 50s. That's right. But this is 1975,

so it's not that far removed. That's what's interesting. When you put it in context of like how soon after the stuff he's referencing is, but he's turning it into classic americana and trying to make it universally recognized as that whereas when a lot of the stuff came out it was like disposable just like music but he's trying bruce springsteen is trying to turn it into something that will last for meaningful that will be universal to people that will give you a feeling

of what it was like back then but then turning it into something more eternal and it's not a throwback it doesn't sound yes completely crafting something new using it's not like billy joel's you know innocent man record where he's like okay this is my nod to Doo-Wop and all these sounds of the 50s. Springsteen's trying to make a new sound out of it while nodding to these old kind of soul stacks records and the Bo Diddley beat and, you know. Yeah, that's a great song. As far as I'm concerned. All right, so then the second to last track,

this is about a meeting that Bruce Springsteen had, which took place across the river. This is a song called meeting across the river by Bruce Springsteen. Another intro. Hey Eddie, can you lend me a few bucks? Tonight, can you get us a ride? Gotta make it through the tunnel Gotta meet him with a man on the other side Hey Eddie, this guy, he's the real thing

So if you want to come along, you got to promise you won't say anything. Because this guy don't dance. The word's been passed, this is our last chance. You got to stay cool tonight, Eddie Cause man, we got ourselves out on that line So slowing it down a little bit, kind of reminiscent of the first two records, I would say, out of anything.

It's a song about the narrator is asking his friend, Eddie, if he'll loan him some money and they're going to go meet a guy. And meet him across the river. I guess originally

it was on original pressings. The song is called The Heist. Oh, really? Implying that it's maybe about a robbery. I would imagine that's what it implies.

Yeah. It is my least favorite song on this album kind of for me works as a preamble to the next song yeah which is a monster a lot of times they're played together oh is that right yeah it's like an intro to the next song which is a 10 minute song yeah the final song on the record is, it's nine minutes and 36 seconds. But if you view these as a pair, it's, you know, almost 13 minutes long. The next song is Jungle Land.

And it's a big one. It's a big one, and it's hard to even talk about or listen to a snippet of, because it's another one of these songs that kind of has a lot of different parts. Sweet. But let's hear it. This is...

Or a sweet. Jungleland by Bruce Springsteen. Is this one by Bruce Springsteen? Gourmet The Rangers had a homecoming In Harlem late last night And a magic rat drove his sleek machine over the Jersey state line Barefoot girl sitting on

the hood of a Dodge Drinking warm beer in the soft summer rain The rat pulls and the town rolls up his pants Together they take a stab at romance and disappear down from England Together they take a stab at romance and disappear down Flamingo Lane. Well, a maximum lawman ran down Flamingo chasing her head in a barefoot girl.

The kids ran and looked just like shadows I was quiet, holding hands From the churches to the jails To murderless violence in the world As we take our stand Down in Jungleland I mean, it's awesome. Always a treat to hear it in concert. Yeah. Because, you know, you're in for 10 minutes of ecstasy.

Yeah. If you've got ecstasy. Rock and roll paradise. And this is just part of it. You know, it's still going to go on for another seven minutes plus. And then have this incredible sax solo that Clarence Clemons does, which they talk about Clarence Clemons recording this for 16 hours straight. Wow, really?

And Springsteen just kind of after every take going, like not saying anything to them again jesus again again that was kind of his like he's you see a little bit of footage he's just like slumped over yeah so out of it just going again wow um but then clarence Clemons hears it all cut together from all the various takes and he's like oh holy shit this is the best that's why we did it yeah so many times we'll keep it playing underneath while we

talk about it maybe we'll get to some of the sax solo but yeah I mean it's kind of keep it playing underneath while we talk about it maybe we'll get to some of the sex solo but um yeah i mean it's kind of everything that you know you would say like born to run is the epitome of a bruce springsteen song he's talking about cars yeah he is talking about the longing of trying to be somebody and get out of somewhere um And like a blue-collar lifestyle that these people are trying to break out of. And so that's sort of the epitome. But I also think this is kind of the epitome

of the Bruce Springsteen sound, in a way. This has the twinkly piano, to start with slowing, kicking in with all of the instruments. It has a big, long clarity. All of the musical instruments. Sure. Oh, here we go. Thank you. guitar solo Thank you. guitar solo We're still going.

He played this in concerts. Get a big spotlight on him. Yeah. It's amazing. And he played this for 16 hours. Yeah. Like just variations on it. And Spring Saint Bruce would kind of go like,

why don't you try this? And then kind of sing a little bit like, da-da-da-do-do-do-do-de-blah-da-da-da. Wow. How much more of the song is there? Are we like halfway? There is another three and a half minutes of the song is there? Are we like halfway? There is another three and a half minutes of the song still to go.

I think it goes into this new kind of part. Yeah, just, you know. What a great way to end the album too. Yeah. This big epic. And it doesn't like suddenly cut off in the middle. The song goes all the way to the end, which I think is great.

When you're listening to a record, just doesn't abruptly stop in the middle you don't want your songs to end before they're they're done yeah because you had to pay for that album exactly yeah like maybe there would be a warning sticker on it like warning yeah this album ends abruptly in the middle because we ran out of tape yeah beneath the city two hearts beat soul engines running through a night so tender In a bedroom locked In whispers of salt So this is sort of the coda, this is the end, and then it's getting to a big finish.

I mean, good stuff. Yeah, amazing. We'll let it play out a little bit. So essentially, this album comes out, good album we'll let it play out a little bit but so essentially this album comes out they put out a rough mix of Born to Run and they leaked that to radio stations so everyone

was very anxious and wanting to hear this record it came out and I mean it definitely is like a classic now, but the singles

did not... Here we go, the end. And the poets down here don't write nothing at all. They just stand back and let it all be. And in the twilight, they reach for their moment. Born to Run, the first single, got to 23. That's as high as it got. I know. I just saw that, and it's bizarre.

Yeah. But the album was huge. No, it wasn't. That's what's surprising is it was not. 10th Avenue Freezeout was the second and last single. And that only got to 83. And the album did okay. But he was on the cover of Time and Newsweek.

This is what happened. So the album comes out and the hype machine is just off the charts yeah because people have heard it and they go this is incredible he gets on both the cover of time and newsweek the same week which is great like they were saying in the documentary sure the cover of rolling of Rolling Stone, I can understand that. But how does someone get on the cover of Time and Newsweek the same week? The Time cover was more of your typical like, hey, this is Bruce Springsteen. Here's why you need to be paying attention to him.

The Newsweek cover was more of a, is he really the new Bob Dylan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like trying to examine the hype about him. Yeah. But still it led to everyone going like, oh, here's a guy we need to be paying attention to. He goes out on tour. He goes to England. He gets really upset at all the hype.

Yeah, yeah. In England. He gets to one gig and there's a big banner that says like- The next big thing. Yeah, like England is finally ready for the next big thing. And he like tears it down. There's a bunch of flyers on every seat that say similar things. He tears them off the seats.

He tells people to stop selling these buttons that say the next big thing or something. And he's basically like rebelling against the record like he's trying to control the reception to his own art um whereas he doesn't realize like i think in retrospect he's a little like well they were just trying to help people listen to it um but he also he doesn't want the audience to have these expectations. He wants to earn it all himself. So I think it even, he talks about the DVD that's in the box set of this complete gig. He left thinking that it sucked. Yeah. And he never revisited it until they put out that box set.

He was kind of like, well, let's go back and maybe there'll be a couple of good songs on it. We can pull for a retrospective. And he watches the whole thing. He's like, Oh no, we were great. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, so, so he's a little bummed at the hype. The album doesn't do incredibly, but a lot of the songs like become staples on AOR radio album oriented, uh, oriented radio. Yeah.

Um, and so that kind of gives him enough momentum to keep going yeah um but i wouldn't say that he's like i wouldn't say that the record company is like we got a slam dunk here so it really isn't until born in the usa a that he's just like untouchable yeah yeah yeah oh wow i think i think some reason i thought born to run was just huge it seems like it in retrospect culturally and i think that it since then has sold a lot yeah yeah especially since born in the usa but at the time i was surprised too because it was kind of like oh this is the one where now he can do whatever he wants and no it it apparently he still is like struggling a little bit but but i also feel like maybe who knows if they're overplaying that and just the fact that it's so well received and um so many

radio stations are playing so many tracks all the time from it that maybe even though it didn't chart and it didn't sell incredibly that it's fine and that that the record company is like yeah yeah you're you're important you're on the cover time and news we keep doing your thing it's probably also why later on in the late 70s when people are taking his songs and using them and getting hits yeah he was had really mixed feelings about that yeah yeah it's yeah um a couple of outtakes from the record have been released linda let me be the one was released on tracks as well as so young and in love um here a little so so young and in love i like it definitely sounds sounds like B Street Band.

I wonder how it would have fit on the record. Like maybe if it's a 39-minute record. Maybe if it were like in the CD era where you could get away with putting out a 50-minute record. It's so cool that they put out an 8 song album. Yeah, I know. Good shit. Yeah, awesome. So we feel like it's a good record?

I think it's fine. Yeah, one of the great albums and it gets super interesting from here too. Like he hits this huge peak artistically. So we'll, we'll wait till next week to know.

I know. I'm just saying it's really interesting to see where he goes. Yeah. Uh, the one thing that does happen is essentially his manager, Mike Appel, um, he and John Lando don't get along.

Right. And, uh, Jimmy Iovine is being generous to both of them saying like, well, they would usually take it out of the room. But Micah Pell, who just had championed Bruce Springsteen since the beginning and been like a very combative personality from what everyone says, like fighting for him. Springsteen essentially says to him like, I don't want you to manage me anymore.

I want this guy to manage me and fires my capel and that leads us to where we'll pick up on the next record apparently the incident at the theater in london with all the flyers everywhere was one of the one of the breaking points okay i can see that um and then my cap Pell ends up not working again in the business. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, Jesus. So that will lead us into the story of what happens with the next record. But at this point, we're riding high on Born to Run.

Oh, shit. And that's going to do it for this episode, Adam. Mm-hmm. And anything else we want to say regarding? I think we've said it all. You think we've, this is the final word? It's like when Howard Stern is trying to get rid of someone on a show and he's like, listen, you've said it all. And you know he's just like, done.

You've said it all. You know he's just like done. I think that our comments on this record will be probably quoted in the reissue campaign whenever they put out a box set about it. New liner notes. Yeah, exactly. Just using everything we said. Honestly, we'll probably end up managing him as well. We'll become the new John Landows. Absolutely.

Because of everything we've said about him here. Scott and Scott Landow. Yep. All right. We'll see you next time. Uh, but until then, we hope that you found what you're looking for.

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