U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - U Springin' Springsteen On My Bean? - The Rising

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Scott and Scott go track-by-track through Da Boss's twelth studio album, The Rising, discovering how Bruce's reflections on 9/11, with the help of an alt-rock superproducer and the reunited Edible Street Band, led to a major comeback. They also get into Michael Mann's latest film, and all the things dogs will eat.

🎵 From born in the USA to death to my hometown, this is you springin' Springsteen on my bean. The comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things brutes. This is good rock and roll. Music. Hey, welcome to the show. We have a great episode for you today.

Please, please don't press stop. Please, we're begging you, don't press stop on this. Can you press stop on podcasts? I thought everyone had to listen to them all the way through all the time. No, there's a little button and it's easy to miss because it's only spelled S-T-O-P. It's a very short word. You know, it's not like rewind or fast forward. Oh, that's how you spell it.

Yeah. Okay, okay. Sorry, I've been mixed up for a while. How did you think stop was spelled? Well, the thing is I didn't know. Oh. And I always felt weird about it. So it could have been any combination of letters?

It could be any combination of letters? Could be any combination of letters. I know. Listen, I think you know I'm a really good speller, right? I don't know. I've never tested you out. Do you want me to test you out? Let's try something simple.

Okay, okay, okay. Hat. Hat. Hat. Hat. Hat. Can you say it in a sentence, please? Look at that hat. Look. L.

No, no, no. You don't need to do all the rest. Don't need to do the rest of the words, although I'm glad that you got look. Yeah. I told you. I told you i know what i'm doing someone say harder than hat but no you really i'm just looking for the word hat harder h-a-r-d-e-r okay you're anything else you're doing every other word other than the one d-o-i-n-g thank you very much. Okay. How about okay? Okay. Okay, let's see here.

This is a pretty easy one. Let me give you a clue. It's in the pronunciation of the word. In the pronunciation. P-R-O-N-U-N-C-A-T-I-O-N. Pronunciate. Is that right? I lost track.

Misdeny. Yeah, misdeny, but that's what I told you. Can I give you a clue? It starts with the letter O. O. I'm looking for the word oh oh h uh is how you spell like you're using it as a word oh oh h thank you looking for the word okay though not for the word okay let's see okay let me give you another clue you've said it several times recently. Said it. S-A-I-T.

What have I said? Oh, what I've said it several times recently? Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to you. Said that many, many times. That's right. We're seeing each other finally right after Thanksgiving. And how was your turkey day, brah?

You know what I love on Thanksgiving? What's that? Is just sitting down and eating dinner with friends and family. Sometimes I feel like the stuffing, it's like, yeah, I know it's the stuffing for the turkey, but sometimes I feel like it was stuffing for me because I am just like stuffed to the gills. Man, you said it. I think around 6 o'clock it's time to unbutton that top button on my- On your shirt?

On my trousers. And on my shirt because my neck gets so thick. Okay. You're unbuttoning your trousers? Maybe your belt? I can understand. Okay, your belt. Everyone at the table is like put your penis away

dude when I say 6 o'clock I mean 6am isn't that what you do when you get super full is you take out your penis and just let it relax just get it some air like oh my god I'm stuffed here's my penis

what does everyone think of this? Have you ever, do you get ratings on your penis? When you're with a person, I know that you're a married man and it doesn't happen anymore, but back in the day, did you ever like, especially when you broke up,

especially it was like, hey, before I leave, can I get a quick rating on that penis? One through four stars. Thumbs up, thumbs down? Okay. Take care. Take care. Oh, boy.

Oh, boy. Well, welcome back. It truly is December. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Thanksgiving is far in the past.

It's in the rear view. Not far, but yeah, certainly. If I was looking in a rear view mirror right now, if I was driving some sort of car, I had a rear view mirror. Why would you ever do something like that? Look in the rear view mirror? Even drive a car.

What? I am so sorry. Is this an episode of why would you drive a car? I think it might be. Maybe you can drive my car, and maybe I love you. Hey everyone, welcome to Why Would You Ever Drive a Car? This is Scott. And this is Scott. And we're just wondering, why? To what end?

Where are you going? Hey bro bro didn't you buy a house yeah stay there stay in your fucking house bro where where are you going the fuck do you think you're going hey hey hey hey hey hey where are you? If you're driving right now, get the fuck out. Pull over. Don't even pull over. Just open the car door. Just fall out of the car. Like Indiana Jones.

Yes. Just get out. Barrel roll and just keep going. Get out of there. It was Indiana Jones. Go home. Did Indiana Jones, was he, he just would open car doors and just barrel roll out? Yeah, I don't think he ever. I remember him being dragged by cars. He dragged by a car, but he mostly, he just would open car doors and just barrel roll out yeah i don't think i remember him being dragged by cars he dragged by a car but he mostly he just jumps out but why would you ever drive a car

why he had it right turns out turns out be dragged by a car sure driving one get out of there get out cut it out immediately go home go home just go home go go home don't talk to anyone right now go home shut up go go home bye bye i like that one well it's an interesting position it's you know they say take a strong position when you're debating something, even if you don't believe it. I don't know if those guys believe it. Listening to that episode, I have zero doubt what their position is. I come away with it knowing where they're coming from, which is good podcasting. They don't want anyone to drive a car.

Doesn't seem to be coming from an environmental place. The world would be better if everyone just one day just got up in the morning and said, oh, God, you know that car out in my driveway? I'm going to throw it away. Yeah, throw it in the garbage. Throw it in the garbage can. Bye-bye. Bye.

And then everyone just was like, I don't need to go. Like, what's the furthest you could walk? Well, the thing is, eventually everyone would be like, whoa, I fucking threw my car away. I got to get in. And then everyone would have to go get another car. Yeah. Which is expensive. Good for the economy.

Good for the economy. And all the other cars could go and finally live free. They'd live in that Cars universe with Lightning McQueen. And they'd all talk. It'd be so fucking cute. It'd be so fucking good. Yeah, that cars universe is probably a universe where everyone woke up one day and threw away those cars yeah that's how that that's

the origin story that's the prequel and they're all like open their eyes boink and we're like oh thank god we don't have to pretend to be inanimate anymore and then all the cars we're using right now are the replacement cars yeah you know You know, for inanimate objects, cars, they tend to move around a lot. Yeah. I don't know if inanimate is exactly the right word. When you're talking about a Ferrari. Oh. Ferrari.

Not the first word that comes to mind. Thank you. No. By the way, Ferrari. Is this I Love Films? Yes. Hey, everyone. Welcome to I Love Films? Yes. Hey everyone, welcome to I Love Films. This is Scott.

And this is Scott. And a little thing that we did right before Thanksgiving break, we went to go see a movie called Ferrari. Speaking of, how did I get there? How did you get there? Drove a car. Drove a car. Yep. Yep. We drove separate cars too. Separate cars. Two cars. It was a two car system that we used. That's right. One car driving you, one car driving me. It was like, are we going to go to

this movie? Yes, we are. Meet you there. I'm going to drive a car. How are you getting there? I'm also going to drive a car. Two cars. Our cars, we didn't meet at the same time just bumping no no no that would be great anytime you met someone you were just like bump just had to ram into each and then before you go have lunch or go to a movie or whatever you're meeting up for you have to go to the auto shop and get it fixed and exchange insurance information everything but uh yeah anyway it was good right uh yeah ferrari i liked it yeah ferrari ferrari it was sort of the unofficial sequel to house of gucci in a way i feel like it was the sequel to uh ferrari ford ford versus ferrari isn't it weird there's a movie one year called ford versus ferrari yeah then the next year they're like hey ford get the fuck out

move to the left go go go go go just out of frame go home and they're like okay ferrari what's next a movie called ford listen it would blow my mind but at the same time i wouldn't be surprised wouldn't surprise me at all because uh i was really interested in that guy. Ford? Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford. What if the whole movie is him slow motion falling downstairs? Into a Ferrari and going beep, beep and driving away. The end. This is a two minute movie? See you at the Oscars.

Yeah, and that's what he says as he's driving away. See you at the Oscars. This is a two minute movie. I paid $23 to go see this. Yeah, but if you put it in slow motion, it's two and a half hours. That's a good point. That's Oscars.

The slowest of motions. But I did like Ferrari very much. It was a good movie. Michael Mann. Good movie. Good movie. Good movie. And then afterwards,

there was a Q&A. Yeah. We saw David O. Russell interviewing the man himself. Michael. We saw David O. Russell interviewing the man himself. Michael. Michael Mann. Superhero. Michael Mann.

Michael Mann. And, yeah, Michael Mann. And he was great. Heat is a movie he's made. You got to get in Heat 2. Man, I read that book. We already talked about this. I swear, but there's a part in there

for you where just like a... Someone's roommate who's just constantly jerking off. Maybe I play... Maybe I play William Fichtner's character's roommate. Yes. He died in the first one, his character, but part of Heat 2 is we've talked about this. Part of Heat 2 is a prequel,

so maybe I could be like his roommate who's constantly masturbating. What if you played the, you know, Al Pacino in Heat? Yeah, yeah. What if you played

the person that he was talking about? He's got a great ass! You just see you walking your little butt away from the camera. Hi, everyone. Check this out.

That's my cameo. Cameo. Yeah, Heat 2. Coming right up. Stay tuned, Heat 2. Stay tuned for Heat 2. Do you think they'll make it into a movie? I feel like we've already had this conversation.

I know we have. Adam Driver is the lead in it. Oh, really? They are making it? I think they've alluded to the fact that they are making that would be awesome you gotta get in it bro how do we get you in this i want to go see that movie first of all i think you you picketing it at the studios was a bad move yeah because now they're saying do not make this movie that's what you were picketing against yeah yeah yeah i was like no no no and then they said no we're gonna make it and i'm like can i be in it here's my problem with heat too yeah that too it's like yeah you know what's really hot is like 87 92 93 94 like if you're talking the human body temperature 101 451 if you want to burn paper

yeah but two it's not very hot it's pretty cold you mean it's a low number yeah i would say it's cold too i get that they could call it uh heated yes or like do it like Alien and Aliens. Heats. Heats. That's cool. That's fucking really cool. That's cool. Should we have stood up during Michael Mann's Q&A and said, hey, hey, hey, hey, shut up for a second. Hey, hey, hey.

Shut the fuck up. Hey, shut the fuck up. Shut up. Listen to us right now. Listen to us. You know your dumbass book, Heat 2? Call it Heats. Heats. Bye. Bye-bye. right now you know you're your dumbass book heat to call it heats heats bye bye bye and then we walk we walk we storm out people are like the q a just started we did have to leave because uh if anyone saw us there we were in our but we stayed for like i don't know 45 minutes of the q a but i had to go home i had to get out of there it was a a long movie

and a long q a and seemed seemed a little uh like it wasn't a incredibly not i don't want to say well-prepared q a but it was just a little all over the place which is super fun and yes there are no two better directors in the world but yes i had to i had to go but it was very funny david or russell would just bring up something that he loved about the movie yeah no question and michael bryan would go is there a question there yeah and he'd go hmm no yeah and then he'd look down back at his notes yeah and then just bring up something else he loved about the movie but i have to say the things he was pointing out were incredible things sure they were, but it's just very funny that he was a fan, but he was also bringing him up hoping Michael Mann would talk.

Expound a little bit. Expound and go like, oh, yeah, that scene. Oh, yeah, we did it this way. And instead, Michael Mann just goes like, get to your question. Right, right, right. Yeah, it was funny. Okay, bye. Bye.

What up? Yeah, really dove in and they're talking about recent films too not just uh and uh maybe heat too it sounds like they may have something to do with uh making it sounds like producing it have something to do with uh producing the title of it at least that's cool that's so cool those guys are so cool yeah those guys like the guys that host i love films they might be the coolest guys in the world coolest podcasters ever ever since uh obama and uh what's springsteen oh yeah yeah springsteen and obama are we gonna do an episode on that podcast series? I would have to listen to it. I think I listened to the first one. I was like, hmm. So you guys love America, huh?

God, maybe I didn't. You love the promise of America, but you think the execution is? That's what I'm guessing it's about. I may be thinking of an audio book or something. Anyway. Anyway, those guys are really cool. You're right. Oh, man.

Scott and Scott. You know what? I'll tell you what. Men want to be them. Women want to fuck them. It's just that sort of age-old thing. Yeah, men want to be them and fuck them. Women want to fuck them and then be them.

That is where that phraseology came from i think is from the i love films hosts that's where that was uh what who originated from do you remember the first person they said that about it seems like it was like a movie star like steve mcqueen or something like that yeah and what and what do people say about your acting style? Men want to get away from him, and women want to get further away from him. Good stuff. Hey, let's introduce ourselves. Yeah.

Have we not done that? We have not done that. Across from me, you know him. We can finally talk about his credits because the strike is over. You know him from the upcoming. He's in the trailer that was just released maybe a few, a couple weeks ago. You know him. Sorry, did you get a little mosquito bite?

I did. Yeah, I saw one flying around here. Is that what that was? Yeah. You want me to suck out the poison? Yeah. Yeah, here we go. Oh, I saw one flying around here. Is that what that was? Yeah. You want me to suck out the poison? Yeah. Yeah, here we go. Oh my God, it's gone.

But now I have a giant hickey on my arm. Sorry. Yeah, the trailer just released called Kiss of the Spider-Women. Now, what is it called? Kiss of the Spider-Women. Kiss of the Spider-Women. Now, what is it called? Kiss of the Spider-Women. Kiss of the Spider-Women. But you play an EMT in this new Spider-Man movie, and everyone, has your character been revealed?

I don't know. Because everyone says who you are. Right. I don't know if it's an official. An official reveal. Can I say who they say you are? Sure. Remember we talked about your bad character names in a previous episode?

This one's kind of memorable. Ben Parker. Interesting. Interesting. Alive in this movie, which implies that it takes place prior to the recent Spider-man movies unless they never talk about it unless he just divorced aunt may just divorced her and left her to go be an em a sexy emt there's some um i'm not saying that's who i'm playing in the movie but i that that character has been alluded to vaguely a couple times. Yeah.

In like a different way than they were in the, like, Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield. Exactly, because, you know, spoilers for the recent Spider-Man movies. In the old Spider-Man movies, in the comics, Ben Parker's the one who says, as he's dying, like, oh, fuck, I've been shot.

Fuck, fuck, I'm gonna die fuck fuck fuck fuck did you fucking call 9-1-1 and and that spider-man mishears it and thinks he's saying with great power comes that's a great responsibility but in the new movies aunt may is the one who who says it to him uh so uncle ben uh So Uncle Ben he's not just making rice if you know what I mean. What does that mean? Uncle Ben's rice. Oh Uncle Ben yeah. He's out there saving lice I mean lives.

And saving lice. He's kind of a weird guy. He saves lice in this movie. That's right. Lice man. I mean it's just as good as Spider-Man right? Thatman right good idea yeah anyway so ben parker i'm presuming you get shot in the face why do you say that well because ben uncle ben dies in the comic so i'm imagining this is a prequel to the face i imagine you say three words people are like it's not even a dangerous situation with like a robber. People are just like, shut the fuck up. Shut up.

But you can't comment on this. Is that right? I don't even know. Kiss of the Spider-Women coming out. Kiss of the Spider-Women. Coming out. You know him from these movies, Adam Scott.

Hi. Hi. Can I tell you about something? Do you want to introduce me? Scott Aukerman. Spider-Man himself himself that's right in my backyard i have a mole right now have you ever had one um who am i cindy crawford not that guy okay no uh i don't think that we've had we we used to have some in our old place it's a real pain in the ass. Yeah, especially if you sit down on one. Boing!

But they tear up. There's trails going all over. They really ruin everything. So what do you do in this situation? You get someone to come trap it and take it away. Like a sexy mole to wear a dress and be like, come here, boys! That's right, you get a honeypot.

Isn't that what they call it? A honeypot? Yeah. Honeypot mole. Honeypot mole. Honeypot, honeypot, honeypot mole. Yeah. And then they take it because I don't want, you can't, you don't want to put poison around

because that fucks up the entire. It also fucks up the mole. Yeah. Which if, I mean, maybe that's your goal. And they just take it and they just take it and bring it out somewhere where no one will care if there's a mole digging around. So where is this place? Is this where all the old cars are as well? Yep. It's actually a mole kind of stomping grounds.

Hey, I have news for you, by the way. Yeah. This guy, a mutual friend of ours, you convinced me that it was his birthday yesterday. It's not? No, I told you it was in May. Oh, shit. How did you find out? Because he just wrote back.

Oh, fuck. I was like, I'm going to trust you. I'm so glad I didn't pull the trigger on that $150 edible arrangement. Why is it in my calendar? I don't know, but I embarrassed myself on the group chain. Well, you can't. By saying, sorry, I missed your birthday. It was yesterday.

Oh, you know what? Maybe one of his daughters just. Oh. Is that what it is? I don't know. I think it might be related to his daughter. Oh, shit. Anyway, thanks for nothing.

Oh, no. Oh, boy. May 4th. Did you want to tell me something? That's very different than November whatever. Did you want to tell me... Before you introduced me, you were like, Hey, I want to tell me, before you introduced me, you were like, hey, I want to, hey, hey,

one thing I wanted to say was, ahem, ahem. What are you doing? I'm changing his birthday on my calendar. No. Yes, I wanted to talk about the mole. You wanted to talk about the mole. Yeah, that's it. That is it.

Um, so what did you do? You still have the mole? I don't know. Someone's coming out. Uh, and they're going to take care of it today. Today? While you're here? So you're going to go back home.

You're going to be mole-less. I don't know. You've given up on life. I've given up. It seems like. The mole can have it. The mole can have my wife, my kids. What if...

Take my moles, please. What if your wife comes home today and you're nowhere to be seen and there's just a mole in your clothes? He's like, hey, Adam said I could have all this. Hey, with my luck, she wouldn't know the difference. Oh! Oh, Adam, oh, Adam, oh, Adam, oh, Adam.

I've had all kinds of things in the backyard. Like what? Man, we had rabbits that were shitting everywhere. And the dogs would eat the shit. And then they would get sick. Have you ever had that happen? Hold on, let me parse this. You had rabbits that what?

Rabbits. Shit in your- Everywhere in the backyard. What are they doing? These are rabbits you own or rabbits just coming by? Yeah, these are rabbits I own. These are rabbits, wild rabbits. They come in the backyard and they shit all over the lawn like pellets

yeah and and you rabbit shit i guess looks really sweet and dogs love the smell of it so they when you say dogs you mean you me and then they get sick because it's shit right so i had that going on for a while and then uh we had coyotes come and fuck around for a while. What is going on in your backyard? I don't know. These animals love to be there. I don't know. You know what happened with us?

What? So one of my dogs, I'm walking it, and twice in a day, it takes a shit. Yeah. And it's totally bright purple. Hmm. That's not the usual color of shit. Shit is usually, if you haven't seen it out there, it's usually like a brown, like a

chocolatey brown. Yeah, but if it's purple, it's beautiful. Oh, it was gorgeous. Yeah. No, I framed it. Mm-hmm. Took several pictures and framed the actual. Threw those away.

Threw those away. Deleted them. Framed the actual shit. Yep. No, it was gorge. It was so bright and neon and beautiful. And I'm like, what the hell is going on here? Yeah.

here yeah flash back to the day before uh our daughter is is uh drawing with crayons oh no and and drops one and we can't find it like like literally drops it we both go down to the floor to look for it it's nowhere to be seen anymore ate thete the crayon. Oh, God damn it. Dogs will eat anything. Is that weird? Yeah. So far, just so far in this conversation, crayons, rabbit shit. Is this an episode of Dogs Will Eat Anything? Yeah. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Dogs Will Eat Anything.

This is Scott. And this is Scott. And previously on Dogs Will Eat Anything. Crayons and rabbit shit. Okay, so what else do we got yeah what what else will dogs eat um dog food yeah uh ham ham yeah um alpo alpo dog food oh that's i guess that counts as dog food. Oh, roast beef. Roast beef. Purina? No, no, no.

I'm thinking of cats. Sorry. No, Purina. They make Purina dog food. Dog chow? Oh, yeah. Okay, then, yeah. They'll eat Purina.

Oh, dog treats. Dog treats. Chicken. Chicken treats. Treats that are made for dogs yeah yeah uh oh turkey leg uh shaped biscuits yeah made for dogs oh uh dogs shaped dog treats yeah oh it's really annoying shoes uh shaped dog treats. Also, a couch shaped dog treat. It's a good episode, but we have to go.

Oh, no. Let's go. Oh, go. that just like dissolved they were being chased or something i have to say while they're recording i don't know what make a ton of sense i don't know that i'm gonna subscribe necessarily but i'll listen to the next one i definitely will be listening just it was loyal cliffhanger oh my gosh um adam yeah we're we're recording today because we're talking about a a a a gentleman A true gentleman with the manners of an impeccable statesman. Thank you.

No, we're not talking about you. Okay. We're talking about a guy named Bruce Springsteen. Oh, shit. Yeah. And we're talking about an album

by the name of The Rising yeah and um can i say can i just say i guess springsteen fan since i discovered nebraska as a teen right but it wasn't you discovered it too like it was buried it was buried deep in the backyard of a friend of mine. Yeah. Named Little Stephen. You grew up next door. That's right. And you were a member of the E Street Band as well.

I was in the E Street Band. Right. But it wasn't until The Rising that I deep dove and became more of a serious fan. This album sucked me in. We're going to talk about it, but we need to take a break. This album is 21 years old. How about that? Hey, it can finally drink.

We can go party with this album. I don't think albums should actually drink. We have to take a break. But when we come back, we're going to be talking about The Rising. That's right. We'll see you on you, spring and spring, sitting on my bean. We'll be right back.

Bye. Bye. welcome back you spring and spring scene on my bean we're talking about bruce springsteen today uh owner and proprietor of the Edible Street Band. You know how some bands, when their lead singer doesn't want to do stuff with them anymore, like Elvis Costello and the Attractions. They put out a record as the Attractions. They did?

Yeah. E Street Band never did this. What album was that? Sad About the Girl, I think it was called. Who sang? That's a good question. They were also the backing band for... Weren't they the band for a Huey Lewis album?

Didn't they play on a Huey Lewis record? No, I'll tell you what you're thinking of, because we talked to Huey about this on our sister show. Wait, is this an episode of Huey talking Huey to me? Yeah. From back in time to a hundred years from now, I think is what I, what I used to say. This is Huey talking Huey, Huey, me, the comprehensive and encyclopedia compendium of all things Huey Lewis in the news. This is good rock and roll music. um so yeah what was that okay huey lewis moved to england and he was in a band called clover yeah and clover was the backing group for elvis costello's first record that's before the attractions that's what it was. Bye. Bye.

Informative ep. Very good episode of that show. As that show goes, they had one episode with Jimmy Kimmel and Huey and huey lewis as the guests this one was way better loved it yeah absolutely loved it um but yeah the east street band they never um never just were like you know who just went solo little steven let's get him to sing i feel like bruce springsteen probably owns the E Street Band. Trademark? Yeah. I don't know.

I wonder if Little Steven could have just been like, we're putting on an E Street Band record and I'm singing. Bye, bitch. Because you know how Bon Jovi owns Bon Jovi LLC and the name of the band

and pays the band members as his employees? Yeah, because you and I are both paid by him every month. Of course. And I appreciate it very much. We have no talent, but you play keyboards, and I play lead guitar.

And he loves it in that band. Yeah, I wonder if he owned the trademark and wouldn't let everyone else do it. Who knows? I heard a thing. And I'll tell you after. Okay. I was going to say, let's cut this out.

And I was going to tell you something. No, I'll just ask you after. Yeah. How about that? Oh, man. I got to hear what this is. This is. I'm going to forget.

I'll tell you. I'll remind you. Give me some clues of how to remind you. Like, give me some trigger words that'll remind you of what you're talking about. Hawaii. Hawaii. Average rainfall, 7.9 inches. Average rainfall, 7.9 inches.

Per week. Per week. That's a lot of rain per week uh shoot shoe size shoes 10 and a half 10 and a half uh circular firing squad circular firing squad um god how this this walk backwards 3.9 miles this is an amazing story take a left and then wait from walking backwards that would be uh you know tuna salad sandwich tuna salad okay i'll say all those things and that'll remind you of what the story is about thank you okay great um we're talking about bruce springsteen yeah adam we on our last episode we talked about very scary title

the ghost of tom jode frightening we barely got through it in two hours and 15 minutes barely got through it because of how scary how scary it was yeah well that was why that episode was so long it's interesting though that album i think back on it so fondly but going through it i feel like i like it less than i thought i did maybe even though there's so much great stuff on it and everything it just wasn't the slam dunk that you would think it was well you know and i feel like we've talked about have we talked about that on this show people call things a slam dunk that's only two point no i feel like i've talked about this on my other show scott hasn't seen that's only two points yeah two people should

say that's a three-pointer with the foul that's a three-point with a foul sure let's do that from now on yeah let's do that from now on that's a four-point opportunity yeah that's great that rolls off the tongue it does that's a tattoo is what that is um anyway when we left off let's see bruce was doing the ghost of tom jode he put that record out that you seem to be a little iffy on well and by the way when we get to the end of the discography, we're going to rank all the albums. I mean, it's great. It's just not as...

Anyway, whatever. So he goes and does that, and he goes on tour, does the solo tour. Have you heard any of those solo shows, by the way? From Ghost of Joad? Yeah.

No. They're really good. Yeah, I would imagine. I got to send you some of these. What band did he have with him? When I say solo tour, I really, really mean solo. I remember him touring that and it being a big deal. Good for you.

Well, but it was a big deal that he was doing these solo things. He was doing theaters. He was like, as they put it small venues yeah i looked up where they all were like 2500 seats oh they're all places that that bang bang cannot fill you know how like when we were when we went to england and we did this one place in london it was so cool because like all the artists who had been there had signed the wall. Yeah. And it was like Rolling Stones.

Wow. But then they had to put underneath it parentheses, warm-up show. So it was like, hey, don't think the Rolling Stones actually played this small of a place. It was one of the bigger places I'd ever played at. Remember that show we did in front of 8,000 people? Yeah, that was crazy. And we didn't realize until we were on stage. And we were like, how many people are here? And also, wow, we have to fill an hour.

What are we doing? We did. We did it. Anyway, so Springy goes out. He does this solo tour. And he really enjoys it. And he starts writing more songs in this vein and he goes back to the farmhouse

and he records another album and then takes a look at it and is like, what am I gonna release two of these in a row? Another like solo. Tom Joad, yeah. So he's like, fuck it. And he shelves it. Not for good though, not for good.

Is this Devils in Dust? Oh oh we'll get there okay so but um two things happen to him this is like 97 tell me the first one of two things i'd rather tell you the second one first. Okay, fine. But then you have to go back and tell me the first after the second. Deal. Okay. Here, let's shake hands. You're spitting to your mouth. I meant to spit my hand. You just stuck your mouth underneath.

All right. All right. Let's try it again. Okay, here we go. Jesus. Stop spitting in my mouth. So two things happen. up spitting in my mouth um so two things happen he sees these like young dudes on the street yeah and they're like hey bruce we love the east street band but we never got a chance to see them live

yeah he's like why and then realizes they're like in their early 20s and he hasn't played with the E Street band in 10 years. He's like, oh, it's been 10 years? He's sort of like, oh, it's been 10 years. Oh, yeah, okay. And he's like, oh, that's too bad that this younger generation who wanted to see me never got to see me. And then the other thing that happens is he goes he sees a concert being advertised. I presume he picks up the local paper, the New Jersey Bee, and sees a concert being advertised for Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, and Joni Mitchell. And he calls up his mom and says, Mom, Mom, do you want to go with me to a concert?

Do you want to take me to a concert mom um and she says yes so they go see this concert and joni opens she's great and then van morrison van morrison's a big influence on him yeah and then dylan comes out bobby d bobby d no not bobby darren as oh impeccably played by kevin spacey in the biopic Bobby D. Bobby D. No, not Bobby Darin. Oh, come on. Impeccably played by Kevin Spacey in the biopic. But Bobby D comes in. That was one biopic everyone was just clamoring for. Well, I love Bobby Darin. It's so funny because Bobby Darin, he has an interesting story where he had a congenital heart defect.

I never saw the movie, but he had a like congenital heart defect. I never saw the movie, but he has a, he had a heart defect, knew he was going to die. And so just tried to cram as much show business in his life that he could. So he went through so many weird changes where he started out as a rock and roller with Splish Splash, then just became a Sinatra type swing music guy, then went into like Bob Dylan folk music. became a sinatra type swing music guy then went into like bob dylan folk music but the the funny part about that movie is he died like in his late 30s i feel like and i think kevin spacey was in his late 40s when he made the movie anyway i don't care oh really no let me tell you more about it please um so he's watching bobby d and he's looking around at the crowd and he's like, oh shit, everyone's old. This was just occurring to him. He's like, oh, everyone's old.

And it's like people his age. He's in his late 40s at the time. Yeah. And he's like, oh, wow. Looking around like, oh, everyone's old now. But then he sees younger people who are jamming out. And he's like, oh, wow, looking around like, oh, everyone's old now. But then he sees younger people who are jamming out. And he's like, oh, there's younger people. He's feeling bad about the older part of it for a minute.

But then he sees everyone. There's like different generations. And then he just starts noticing like everyone is having a really great time. And even Dylan is kind of dancing and stuff like that. And he starts looking around the crowd. he suddenly, it comes to him. He goes, wait a minute. I'm able to do this. I'm glad that Bruce was putting all this together.

But it took a Bob Dylan concert. And two hooligans on the street to say this. But yeah, he just suddenly realizes for the past 10 years he's been like out there doing these solo shows and these but he could put on a big show but he's one of the few people in the world who could do what is happening right in front of him and make an entire crowd like he's like well wait a minute i'm one of the best in the world when i'm at doing this when i'm with the east street band and i could do this so he goes home from the show and immediately calls the band wow and is like can we get back together wow the the there are still the like the little details of it are he he wants everyone to

come back and you know how nils lofgren replaced little steven yeah uh he wants little steven to come back so he calls up nils and says hey i want both of you to play is that cool and nils is like of course yeah why are you even like you you call the shots you do what you want but then he calls little steven and i guess he has to have a big like hash out session with him where he sort of intimates in his book that he goes look little steven is hilarious he comes in he's got a huge personality yeah he makes us all laugh yeah he's incredible musician he really evangelizes for rock and roll and yeah and and he's a pain in the ass sort of he's kind of like i think he phrases it he inserts himself into band politics yeah meaning i think what he's trying to say is a shitster yes he's a

shitster and also like he feels like he has an equal vote to bruce springsteen and so he had they had to have a conversation where it's like, hey, you need to stop. Like, I need to be literally the boss. Yeah. The boss. Yeah. I'm the leader of this band. Yeah, and you can't be coming in. Yeah.

And they have like a 45-minute conversation, and then ever since then, they've had the best relationship ever, I guess. Wow, that's interesting. So, also Springsteen is is like if we get back together it's got to be just fun and i can't deal with all of your i guess he has a lot of grudges about people wanting more money yeah so he's like you can't i just i just want to be easy and fun here's the deal take it leave it yeah here's what you get paid. Yeah. Don't fucking ask me for more or in advance or whatever.

He tells a story about one, he won't name the member, but previously when they were back together. You mean before this? Before this, yeah. Like during the Born in the USA or whatever. Yeah. One member comes up to him and goes, hey, I'm going to need you to pay me more if you want me to continue. to him and goes hey i'm gonna need you to pay me more if you want me to continue and he kind of goes i dare you to find anyone who plays the exact instrument that you do who makes more money than you do yeah doing what you do and he goes i'll save you some time you can find that person by

going in the bathroom and looking in the mirror because there he is you're the only person who gets paid as much as you do um and that's real life and the guy goes yeah but what does real life have to do with us which in a way he's like he's trying to find his self-worth but and springsteen is kind of like yeah but i'm the leader of the band but so he just kind of like says no more of that no more of that this is what the deal is take it or leave it um and everyone's like, hell yeah, let's do it. Can we guess who do you think that was? Oh my God.

It sounds, God. To me it sounds, because he calls up Clarence and Clarence is like, where you been? Max? That's who I would guess. I would guess Max. I have no idea. Meanwhile, Max, by the way, for the past 10 years, we haven't mentioned it on a previous episode.

He became band leader of the Conan O'Brien show, Late Night with Conan O'Brien. From a chance meeting, I think, on the street with Conan. And has like this whole comedy persona. Like it's like becoming famous in his own right so he's been doing that for now four or five years or so yeah and um max is like yeah great and moves his conan o'brien schedule around i think he took some time off too but uh also they sort of max is now sort of the second most famous person in the band so i think they scheduled the tour around conan o'brien tapings as well a little bit um but yeah they get back together and they're they they book

this like two-year tour um the other thing that happens right at the same time though, is Bruce becomes eligible for the rock and roll hall of fame. And there's a big sort of discussion, I guess, with little Steven about little Steven saying, Hey Bruce, you really should be inducted as Bruceuce springsteen and the e street band and bruce like doesn't want to do it because he's very proud that he's a solo artist if you

notice on all the records they're just they're they're credited to bruce springsteen just call their bruce springsteen albums yeah yeah and he talks about how he used to be in bands and the day that he decided no i'm just going to be like my own boss. He was very proud of that. So at the time, things are still a little weird in the reunion. So he doesn't lobby for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to induct the E Street Band. They all show up for him and they're all like, some are pissed and some are happy. They show up and like

play with them yeah but he says that the closeness like they got very close after this yeah and he probably would have you know and i think they were inducted later right yeah yeah but i think at the time it's like what the fuck yeah like this is our only shot. I get that. I get that. Yeah. That would have felt weird. So those are the two things that happened, but they get back together. Bruce is still. And this is a couple of years before The Rising. Yes.

This is before The Rising. So the other thing that's happening is he's putting together this box set called Tracks. Right. is happening is he's putting together this box set called tracks right of all of the not all of the the music that he's he hasn't released but four cds worth of music that he hasn't he hasn't released and springsteen's sort of like well he doesn't want to become a novelty act or like a retro like greatest legacy legacy greatest hits act so he's out there kind of going like i don't know what songs to play we don't have new material maybe we should just play stuff off tracks yeah and john landau his manager kind of says if you come out with your band and play your best music people will like it

yeah and he goes oh yeah okay yeah're right. And people miss it. Yeah. Yeah. So they rehearse at this place that they've always rehearsed at in New Jersey. And fans, like, for two weeks are kind of, like, outside sort of trying to listen and all that. And they're playing, and he's feeling, Bruce is feeling like it's good, but it's not exactly gelling. He doesn't know what's happening. And then the last day of their rehearsals, he's like, hey, let all the fans in.

Oh, interesting. And all the fans come in and then boom, it's like immediately great. And he's like, oh, okay, this is what was missing is like the connection. Yeah, it's like the camera turning on changes everything. Does it? I think it does. So wait, you're good before the cameras turn on? No. The camera turning on makes it feel like it's for real and it has to be good.

Did you get another bite? I did. I've been bit three times in here. I'm so sorry. What is going on here? Three times. I don't think you and the uh mosquito are in i can find you some uh bug spray though i have some in the other room that's all right thank you

um so they go out on this big tour the the east street reunion tour and this is what like 2000 this is 98 okay so this is like four years, a few years before 9-11, which is what kind of launches the rising. So they go out and they do this big tour, and Bruce is still like- And people are freaking out. People are freaking out. Bruce is still kind of like,

ah, but I want to make new music, though, so that we're not just like totally resting on our laurels so he writes one song before the tour ever starts um and let's hear a little bit of it

this is Land of Hope and Dreams by Bruce Springsteen oh this how old is this this song I think this is like

98 or so this is he wrote it like the night before the tour started. Because it wasn't on an album until later. Until later, yeah. But this is like the new song that they would play to kind of say, hey, we're not just a legacy act.

And this is a recording from back then. Yeah, from the live, yeah. This is a recording from back then. Yeah. From the live. Yeah. This is from the essential Bruce Springsteen. This is like the live version that they put out. And it doesn't have any lyrics during all this part that we're talking over. But pretty soon, pretty soon Bruce will start singing.

Oh, he's singing words and stuff. Oh, here he is. Well, darling, if you're weary, lay your head upon my chest. Yeah, we'll take what we can carry, and we'll leave the rest. We'll take wheels rolled through fields where sunlight streams. Northern fields, where sunlight streams. Meet me in the land of open dreams. Land of hope and dreams doesn't obama use this for like campaign stops and i think he did yeah

because it was on which album was it i think it's on uh wrecking ball yes yes yes yes um but yeah so they would play that i I think, most shows. Yeah, that's a good song. Yeah, that's good. I'm interested in hearing the contrast of the recorded version as well. It's quite a bit different. When we do Wrecking Ball, we should play them back to back. Okay.

Duh. Duh. So the other song that he writes while they're on tour is he writes a song called American Skin, 41 Shots. Oh, yeah. This is about the shooting of, I'm going to butcher the pronunciation of the name, but Amadou Diallo, I think, who's an African immigrant. Shot 41. Shot 41 times by plainclothes police officers. He, Bruce, you know, hears about this like everyone did and is outraged and writes this song about it.

This is American Skin 41 Shots. American Skin, 41 Shots. American Skin, 41 Shots. 41 shots 41 shots 41 shots 41 shots 41 shots 41 shots 41 shots 41 shots 41 shots

We need some quiet. 41 shots And we'll take that ride Across this bloody river to the other side 41 shots, cut through the night you're kneeling over his body in the vestibule praying for his life well is it a gun is it a knife is it a knife? Is it a wallet? This is your life. It ain't no secret. It ain't no secret. It ain't no secret. No secret, my friend. You get killed just for living in your American skin. 41 shots. So yeah, he was reaching for what turned out to be a wallet, I think.

Yeah. That first verse is written in the POV of an officer. So he was sort of writing it. I think it starts as the POV of one of the officers and then moves to the POV of other people. and moves to the POV of other people. Anyway, he writes a song, plays it in Atlanta, debuts it in Atlanta, and they're on their way to Madison Square Garden.

I think Madison Square Garden's in a couple of days or something. In New York City? Yeah. Just making sure it wasn't a different Madison Square Garden. What other Madison Square Gardens have you come across? Don't be stupid. I think there's one in, uh, on Mars.

I've never been. So I, I, okay. Then you don't know. Okay. Sorry. Sorry.

I apologize. Um, so he plays it in Atlanta and then the next day, the New York Post has a big headline about it, where the head of the New York State Fraternal Order of Police- That's what it was. I remember there being some fucking controversy. Okay.

Calls him a dirtbag. That's right. And then also something that I won't repeat here, which look it up for yourself. him a dirt bag and then also something that i won't repeat here um which uh look it up for yourself i don't know what it means and bruce springsteen in his book says he doesn't even he's like looked for a definition of it he doesn't even know what it means yeah uh but it's an offensive term um and the police are mad at him for writing this song. Um, they asked him not to play it at Madison square garden, the police.

Yeah. Um, and so, but he's like, well, I'm, it's part of the show, so I'm just,

I'm going to do it. So he goes and does it like officers come up to the front, flash their badge and flip him off. Jesus Christ. Um, and the police are, you like the security the police officers who work security are all pissed at him um they they won't escort him out of the building he's like poor us but you know like they're so everyone's pissed at him um but then some cops actually do come up to him along the way after that and say, hey, thanks for singing this song.

Because he's not both sides-ing it necessarily. He's just kind of telling an even-handed story. Anyway, he gets an NAACP award for it, which he's sort of proud of because he feels like he's giving something back to the community, which he wishes he would have served better in his career, as he says. And those are the two new songs he does on the E Street Band reunion tour. But he wraps it up and he's like, all right, the E Street Band is back to the edibles are back. Yeah. We can't just be an Edible arrangement band. We can't just be a legacy band.

We got to put out a good modern record or else why did we get back together? So when we come back, we're going to listen to the results of they're trying to make a good modern record that's right a little album called the rising i'm gonna get adam some aloe vera and uh maybe some bug spray we're gonna come right back we'll be right back with more you spring and spring scene on my being after this as he felt the wheels touch down he stood out on the plane hey you spring and springsteen on my bean and we're gonna talk about the rising, the right, not the riseling or the riesling.

Ooh. Can you imagine if the album was called the riesling? It could have been made by the guys from sideways. Just kidding. I love those guys. All right. All right. So,

um, so yeah, they wrap up the tour in 2000. Yeah. And, um, they go, all right,

let's get back in the studio. So they get back into the studio and guess who's back? Chucky plots. Oh yeah. You gotta have the plots. The plotster is back and Springsteen and John Landau, they're all going to produce it right right so they they have demos bruce wrote demos and they get together and the the edibles

they they bash out like eight songs or something like that and um bruce listens to him back over the course of like a month and he, this is a total piece of shit. As always. And I think he might've been right. I don't know. I mean, he's like, they've never put these demos.

They've never put these out. They're not even demos. They're like edible street band versions of rising songs. Yeah. That he and John Lando and Chucky plots produce. And he's just like, he turns to John Lando and he goes, I think I've realized you and I don't know how to produce records anymore. Yeah.

He goes, back in the day, we were making records with what excited us. And the culture has moved on. I mean, this is in like 2000. Yeah. Rock music sounds totally different than the stuff that we were putting out. I mean, the E Street Band hasn't really put out anything since Born in the USA,

and you can't do that production anymore. So he's like, I don't know how to produce this. How to make these sound. Yeah, how to make this sound good. He goes, I'm a great writer, and I'm a good instrumentalist and john lando you're a good manager but i don't think we know how to produce records anymore so we need to we need to bring someone in or at least we don't know how to make it sound different we know how to do that one thing we do it's weird because i don't i think he's he's saying that it wasn't even

good sounding for their old sound he was just like this is so dull yeah he was he was saying that it's like sometimes a band makes a record and they have a lot of technical skill and that'll get you through listening to it it kind of feels like the human touch lucky town records is like you can kind of coast on that but he was listening to these just going like this is just boring yeah so he puts it out there he's like is there anyone who would be a good producer and this is where a young gentleman enters the chat a man by the name of brendan o'brien yes sir Jam. Brendan O'Brien. Pearl Jam guy, right? Brendan O'Brien, record producer.

So let's talk about his CV. He first had success on the first Black Crowes record, Shake Your Moneymaker. He played a lot of, he engineered it, but he also did a lot of instruments on it, guitar, bass. Then he produced and mixed Stone temple pilots debut album and then he engineered a little record oh man is this an episode of are you what do we call this are you talking RHCP me? Oh yeah.

I think that's what it was. from airplane to the zephyr song this is are you talking rhcp remy the comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things red hot chili peppers this is good rock and roll music it's great to be back it's so good to be back talking about my favorite band which album did brendan o'brien engineer he engineered blood sugar sex magic okay bye bye yeah good wow great up um don't think we covered that in the regular series i guess we didn't so though the the stone temple pilots and blood sugar sex magic basically launch his career where he's like an in-demand producer now so he does all of stone temple pilots records um i thought he did a pearl jam he did all the pearl jams right oh he did yeah did he do 10 as well let me look that up did he do i know he did versus that's the

one that i seem to remember did he do 10 he did not rick parashar did. But he did Versus On. I think he did Versus On, yeah. So he's... Versus is a great album. Yeah. It's like Ford versus Ferrari. Except if you take Ford and Ferrari out of there, what are you left with? The Pearl Jam album versus. Isn't it weird, Pearl

Jam? I know this is an episode of I Love Films. Hey everyone know this is this is an episode of i love films hey everyone this is i love films welcome this is scott this is scott and we're talking about ford versus ferrari again yeah it's weird that pearl jam they make cameos in the movie singles yeah because they've made singles and they contractually were obliged because they had made singles and they contractually were obliged because they had made singles yeah um put out singles everyone who's ever made a flow had to make an appearance actually obliged but then the the the movie ford versus for ferrari comes out and they made the record versus but they're not in that movie they're not in that they're in yes aliens versus

predator yes and they're in batman v superman yeah they're in which is a little bit of a cheat though they're in those movies prominently featured in both they're in the movie vi wachowski yeah because they they thought it was vsi and then they got to set and we're like oh we'll just be in it and the director john bad believe, was like, you may as well just have you guys in here, even though you're not famous. Yeah, just come on in. But they're not in Ford versus Ferrari? No. Doesn't make any sense.

It's bullshit. That's one of those weird parts of film history. Oh, it's so weird. Bye. Bye. Bye. weird. Bye. Bye. So yeah,

Brendan O'Brien, he's a big producer. He also becomes vice president of Epic Records. Plays organ for Bob Dylan on MTV Unplugged. Joins Neil Young and Pearl Jam playing keyboards on the tour they did together. Wow.

So big guy, he is kind of asked, hey, who would you want to work with? Yeah. You can have anyone you want. He always just has one answer. He's like, Bruce Springsteen. Yeah. And people are like, oh, no, Bruce Springsteen. They do their own shit. They do their own shit with Chucky Plot. And he's like, oh rats.

God damn it. He goes all mad. He's like, they told me I couldn't work with Bruce Springsteen. But this gets back to Bruce. Over the years, he's heard like, hey, Brendan O'Brien wants to work with you. Brendan O'Brien wants to work with you. So Bruce goes like, maybe we try Brendan O'Brien wants to work with you. Brendan O'Brien wants to work with you. So Bruce goes like, maybe we try Brendan O'Brien.

I don't know. Let's set up a meeting. So they set up a meeting. And Brendan O'Brien basically says like, oh, yeah, making a record isn't hard. You just kind of like you write a bunch of songs and we record them. And then you go home and you write a bunch of other great songs and then we record them and we put it out and bruce is like uh it should be harder than that yeah because he just always makes it hard yeah and brendan o'brien's like no no it's

good just like here play me some songs and bruce plays a few songs and brendan o'brien's like oh here's some things i would do with it and talk to him. And Bruce, I think he, Brendan O'Brien says like, what if you change these chords? And no one had ever said that to him before. He's like, my chords. Oh no, my chords. Where are they going? So they have a really good meeting and they go, okay's let's do a second let's try it let's

try it out before they can though uh something happens on september 11th night uh 2001 rather of course 9-11 happens and springsteen i guess like comes downstairs kind of had a similar introduction to it that I had, which is someone telling him about it and him being confused. Like I think he said someone who worked at the house they were in said, hey, a plane just crashed into the World Trade Center. And he assumed, do you remember that the like single engine plane that crashed into the Empire State Building? He thought it was like that again. Yeah. And he's like, oh, that like single engine plane that crashed into the Empire State Building. Yes. He thought it was like that again.

Yeah. And he's like, oh, that poor guy. Yeah. Um, and he kind of flips on the TV just hoping, oh, maybe there will be a news story about it. And then sees the second plane crash in and he's like, oh, holy fucking shit. This is terrible. Yeah. fucking shit this is terrible yeah um and goes out there and you know it doesn't become clear to him until he goes outside and sees where the twin towers used to be they're not there anymore

there's smoke everywhere um just doesn't know what to do and then while he's outside trying to just sort of like figure all this out a car passes him and these guys in the car like roll down their window and they're like bruce we need you oh yeah i remember that which he says in his book he he's he's not saying like oh yeah i'm the guy he's not mark walberg he's not the guy who saved 9-11 right you know he's not like oh okay i'll fix everything he takes it to mean like we need someone to contextualize this yeah the way that that you can yeah through music because we're having a hard time and we need art to help us figure this out and he needs the same thing he says he's like yeah i get what they were saying because i needed someone

like that too yeah so the do you remember the telethon the uh yeah yeah so that's just like 10 days later i didn't realize how close it was yeah to 911, but there's a big telethon that everyone plays. You got William Joel. You too. You too. He too. And Bruce plays it, and he tries to write a couple of songs in time for it, and he can't. So instead, he plays a song that he wrote about new jersey the previous year and i was

talking to will hines about this yeah um he had the same reaction i did because i watched the telethon too he had the same reaction i did which is like holy shit 9-11 was just 10 days ago and bruce wrote this incredible song for it's what that was my reaction too i couldn't believe it but it was actually a song about new jersey falling into disrepair yeah um the song's called my city of ruins it's an incredible song it's we'll be talking about in a sec uh it's the the song that closes out the rising and it's it's i think this is sort of what led me into reevaluating Bruce Springsteen. As I'm recalling it now,

this, I was watching the telethon and it was like, oh shit, the song was crazy. Yeah. Uh, this was like one of the first steps for me to go back. Yeah.

Yeah. It was, it was the same. And then like a year later, the album came out. Right. Yeah. A few.

Yeah. But I remember that. And I remember getting the album like two weeks after that they put this cd out of of the telethon yeah the telethon yeah and i got it because i needed to hear that song yeah so and it's incredible that it wasn't written for 9-11 because it it's just well that's that's what's interesting about the album because the album he he decided then to write a bunch of songs inspired by 9-11 but it's not like a 9-11 theme album yeah in a way because much like my city of ruins he's writing like he gets the inspiration from things yeah but then they become about bigger things yeah there are a few songs that are pretty pretty down the yeah down the middle but a lot of the songs

you wouldn't even know like he also wanted to write a an album that was filled with joy it wasn't just like a bummer drag of an album he says he wanted to write about just all of life so it's an album that has like songs that are about 9-11 but also songs that are just like about happiness and stuff like that so that's kind of what he sets out to do i'm glad that it wasn't just a 9-11 yeah yeah yeah for sure so let's talk about the stats released on July 30, 2002. Did you get this record when it came out? I did. I remember I got it and then I was working on the movie Torque and I got it and immediately

had to go out to the desert to shoot. So I was out in like the middle of nowhere in the desert staying in this motel and i had like two days where i was just sitting around waiting and that's when i really kind of listened to this album reminds me of when daft punk's uh random access memories came out yeah we had a desert shoot and it takes like two hours to get there or whatever and we had to do it the day that came out and we were listening to random access memories on the in the car on the way over there and then every single car that would pull up would be playing oh yeah it's one of those albums one of those that just everyone got that day yeah um but yeah so i i don't think i got this when it came out. I got it used later, but I was definitely intrigued enough where I was like, oh, yeah, I should get that record when it comes out.

July 30, 2002. How long would you say this record is? It's too long. It's too long. I think it's like five songs too long. Five too long. Four or five. Yeah.

Brendan O'Brien says he wished he lobbied for them to cut three yeah and at least springy was like i don't know that we're ever gonna make another record so i want to just put everything out yeah they shouldn't have well i mean i like we'll talk about the songs great songs great songs but brendan o'brien was kind of like if it was just 11 songs yeah i think that's probably what like if it was just 11 songs yeah i think that's probably what it should and it was just all killer yeah it would be an incredible album yeah but i sort of like the diversity of the sounds yeah of the songs but yeah i think it's too long like how long is it like 72 minutes 70 almost 73 minutes that's like way too long

make it 50 i mean this this is when CDs are out, so people kind of expect albums to be longer. They were just getting way too long there for a while. There would be like hip hop groups that would put like 25. I know. But this album should not have been a double album. It should have been Titan. Eleven Song sounds good.

Eleven Song sounds good to me, but there's 15, 15 tracks. Yeah. You ready to hear some of these tracks? Yeah, let's do it. Here we go. This is track one. This is a song called Lonesome Day. It's by Bruce Springsteen. guitar solo

Baby, once I thought I knew Everything I needed to know about you Your sweet whisper, your tender touch I didn't really know that much The jokes on me It's gonna be okay If I can just get through this lonesome day. Lonesome day.

Hills brewing, dark suns on the rise. This storm will blow through by and by. House on fire, vipers in the grass. A little vengeance, two shall pass. This two shall pass. I ain't gonna pray right now. All I got's this lonesome day. Lonesome day Lonesome day It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah

It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah It's alright, it's alright, it's alright, yeah. It's alright, it's alright. So, suddenly it's a modern sound. Yeah. I feel like it's... It sounds good. It's so...

This is the first record, I think, that we've covered where you're like, oh, this sounds like stuff that could have been released recently in the the rock genre in the dad rock genre yeah yeah yeah um it's just all around you there a lot of guitar which he'd he'd sort of resisted like the organ was always kind of the main leading instrument before and now it's like chunky guitars yeah like acoustic over here electric like it's all around and um suzy terrell we should mention she's playing violin oh yeah because springsteen wanted to do to do the organ sound that he's been using all through the 90s and brendan o'brien's like uh dude we gotta stop using that sound so he's like what if we brought in an actual violinist to do it um and so she actually becomes a member of the east street

band edibles um but yeah i mean it just it sounds so good it's it's 2002 and it kind of sounds like stuff like john mellencamp had been doing since the 80s in a way um but it sounds just modern and not like the east the the edibles yeah really it's a really new sound for them it sounds just modern and not like the East, the, the edibles. Yeah. Really. It's a really new sound for them. It sounds good. It's a great song too. I love that. Yeah.

I love the all rights. All rights. All rights. Um, and, uh, Clement and Clarence is in there a little later too. We didn't really hear from him on that snippet, but, um, yeah. Great song. Yeah. Lonesome day. lonesome day lonesome day but also

it's about 9-11 but it's also like a very hopeful fun and hopeful song in a way too yeah no um all right here's track two this is one that's really about 9-11 this is a song called into the fire by bruce Springsteen. Upstairs Into the fire Upstairs Into the fire I need your kiss But love and beauty Called you someplace high

Somewhere upstairs Into the fire May your strength give us strength May your faith give us faith May your hope give us hope May your love give us love May your strength give us strength May your faith give us strength. May your faith give us faith.

May your hope give us hope. May your love give us love. Into the Fire, about the first responders. Yeah. Very moving songs. Yeah, and when you see them play this live, the whole section of, you know, the may our, what is it? May your faith be your fate you know that's live it's very moving but also also he had that was like the very end of the song and brendan o'brien was like i think that's your hook like yeah let's move it up and bruce was like i don't think so and then

they moved it up i love that they have it right up top but when it's more spare and just him at the top yeah yeah um did you see this tour did you see them i did i saw the dodger stadium tour that must have been great i didn't see this i was still not i saw them earlier this year on that tour i was still not a like diehard fan yet so my story about it is i was at a party and bj novak was there and he gets like a message on his phone and he goes like oh um i think i have bruce springsteen tickets at dodger stadium would you want to go with me like tonight yeah that like in an like in he's like we'd have to leave in like an hour. Do you want to go? And I was like, yeah, sure. So we go and they're like amazing seats. I'm not going to say they were front row center or whatever, but they were through Bob Saget who BJ was close to.

And, um, so they're pretty, pretty close for Dodger stadium. And I'm like, oh, holy shit. This is, these are good seats. And BJ says to me he goes I gotta warn you I don't think I know a single Bruce Springsteen song I'm like okay fine I mean I'm sort of a casual fan well yeah well and so he's playing he's playing like you know darkness on the edge of town I'm looking over at BJ he He's like shaking his head. He's playing Badlands. I look at him shaking his head. Rosalita shaking his head.

Finally, after 28 songs, the very last song is Dancing in the Dark. And he looks me proudly, nods his head. I'm like, okay, we found one you know. But yeah, very, very moving song. I guess one story that I was reading about is that when after 9-11 happened, all the memorials came out about all the people who passed away during it. And a surprising amount of them were huge Bruce Springsteen fans. So he made personal calls to all of their families, which some people are quoted as saying like that got them through. Yeah. You know,

he did that privately. But yeah, this is one of the songs he wrote that was inspired by just him marveling at the courage of people who were racing into the fire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think?

I love it. I love that song it's really good really good this is why people listen to the show the producer you're in the production is so it's really terrific and it's non-edible street band it does not sound like them but also when the band kicks in it's like like, oh yeah, that's the E Street band. It just, it's just a different approach. Here and there of like an organ will fade up suddenly. That's right. But it's not like there the whole time.

And then this next song, Waiting on a Sunny Day, it's a new sound for them, but sounds unmistakably. Well, let's hear it. This is Waiting on a Sunny Day. This is by Bruce Springsteen. It's raining, but there ain't a cloud in the sky Must have been a tear from your eye Everything will be okay If only If the heart of the sweet summer breeze

Must have been your science fatigue Don't worry, we're gonna find a way I'm waiting, waiting on a sunny day. Gonna chase the clouds away. Yeah, I'm waiting on a sunny day. Without you, I'm working. Waiting on a sunny day. One of my faves from the record.

Me too. It's so good. It's so good. You know, like you get it. I'm waiting for a sunny day to happen because all this tragedy. But it is such a, you know, good pop song. Yeah. Hopeful song.

But there's a real sadness to it as well. Inspired by Rockpile, one of my favorite groups. We, on our, you know, when Naomi and I got married, we put a gift basket in everyone's room when they

got there. Yeah, sorry. And put a mixed CD like people used to do back then. We've talked about the mix CD several times. Yeah, this was on that CD. Great. Have we talked about that mix CD?

Yes, and I want the track listing of it. You said that you were going to try to look it up for me at some point. I used to have it. Wait. You might have sent it to me at one point. Yeah. We talked about this years. We've been doing this show for almost 10 years.

I know. So we've talked about this years we've been doing the show for 10 years i know so we've talked about it but um yeah great song has three key changes or something like this they talk about how this is one of the songs that usually bruce would throw away and people would beg him like dude come on yeah can you put a good pop song on your record um great song so great all right let's go to track four this is a song called nothing man by bruce springsteen I don't remember how I felt I never thought I'd live To read about myself In my hometown paper How my brave young life

Was forever changed In a mystic cloud Of pink vapor Darling give me your kiss Only understand I am The nothing you need Oh, I am Nothing, man, Adam.

Would it surprise you to learn that this was one of the songs from his Streets of Philadelphia album? Oh, is it? That he abandoned, yeah. Huh. Because you hear that synth. Oh, yeah. This is the one song on the record that has that synth tone.

It's funny. I'm waiting on a sunny day, that string section. That totally could have been that same synth sound. Ask me what's going on. What's going on? Nothing, man. What do you think of Nothing Man? I like the melody of it a lot.

It sticks in your head. That that said this is one that i would cut from the the right is it yeah it's one that would be a contender for me for sure it's um about a uh suicidal soldier struggling to return home i don't know that it's on theme necessarily either you know so it could be interpreted as a 9-11 thing too maybe yeah to me but but i do really like the melody and i like the song it's just one of the ones that i would go like if i were editing this i feel like there are a few more i would go to first but i understand all right let's go to track five this is counting on a miracle Miracle. By Bruce Springsteen. Oh, is that Bruce Springsteen? There's no prince to break the spell I don't believe in magic But for you I will

Yeah, for you I will If I'm a fool, I'll be a fool Darling, for you. And I'm counting on a miracle, baby. I'm counting on a miracle, darling. I'm counting on a miracle to come through. Counting on a miracle, Adam. Yeah, I really like this song. Chunky guitars.

Did you get it? Mosquito flying around. Sorry. What do you think? I like it. Yeah. I like it. What do you think? I like it too. Not I like it. What do you think?

I like it too. Not one of my faves, but I wouldn't drop it from the album. It sounds like something that could have been on Better Days. It could have been on Born in the USA. It's a little generic for me. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a version of it, it though that if you went to see

this tour as you were walking out they played like a video of bruce singing it um and this was the the photographer of most of uh his 2000s album covers uh what's his name uh danny clinch basically he was like hey can you play me a song that I can videotape? Yeah. And so Springsteen played a totally different version of this. Let's hear a little bit of it. Here we go. Skelecan Armir. ¶¶ ¶ Here's a fairy tale, it's a tragedy ¶¶ Fairy tales are tragic.

Ain't no prince to break a spell. I don't believe in magic. This isn't different. Let's play them back to back and see if we notice any differences. It's a cool version. Yeah, it is. It sounds like a Woody Guthrie version. Yeah um it's a cool version yeah it sounds like a woody guthrie version yeah it's cool um just uh the sound from a video camera um okay let's go to the next track this is track one two three four five this is track six of. This is a song called Empty Sky by Bruce Springsteen. I woke up this morning I could barely breathe Just an empty impression In the bed where you used to be

I want a kiss from your lips I want an kiss from your lips I want an eye for a night I woke up this morning To an empty sky Empty sky, empty sky I woke up this morning to an empty sky Empty sky, empty sky

I woke up this morning to an empty sky Blood on the street Empty Sky, Adam. I like this song. Obviously it's about, literally it's about the Twin Towers, but it could metaphorically be anyone's Empty Sky could be

Triple Towers. Sure. Metaphorically it could be about the loss of anything to someone. Do you like that song? I do. I would definitely keep this one. What do you think? metaphorically it could be about the loss of anything to someone. Do you like that song? I do. I, this is,

I would, I would definitely keep this one. What do you, what do you think? Same. Are you mad at me? No, I think the only one so far that I would consider dropping,

it sounds like you would get rid of Nothing Man. I would get rid of Nothing Man, even though I like it. I think I would, ultimately I would keep Nothing Man just because of stuff coming up. So you'd keep everything so far? Yeah. So me bringing it up?

Pointless. All right. Well, let's go to track seven. This is a song called Worlds Apart by Bruce May. Thank you. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la my arms, yeah, that's when it starts. I seek faith in your kiss and comfort in your heart. Taste the seed upon your lips, lay my tongue upon your scars. When I look into your eyes, yeah, we stand worlds apart. La, la, la, la la la la Where the distant oceans sink And rise to the plain

In this dry and troubled country Your beauty remains Down from the mountain roads Where the highway rolls to dark Need God's blessed ring We remain worlds apart La la la la la La la la la la

La la la la la La la la la la La la la la la La la la la la world's apart adam very big sound yeah remember remember when you used to say that all the time? Very big sound. Yeah. Just big. Huge. I've grown since then. I always skipped this song because it starts so slowly and I'm always just... It's a six-minute song and it takes like a minute and a half

to get to that. It was just a little ponderous to me, but as it gets going, it's actually pretty cool. And this song was written towards the end when spring scene realized oh he's writing about this big world event and all he's written are songs about the american point of view um that is uh uh the pakistani singer asif ali khan and his bands they're like doing it on an isdn line from la while, while, uh, everyone else is in, I don't know whether they went to Atlanta to do this or not with

Brendan O'Brien, but, um, yeah. And I guess Brendan O'Brien was saying like, I didn't know what was going on with this one, but Bruce had a vision for it. And I was just like stood back and he orchestrated the whole thing.

It was like, Oh, holy shit. Yeah. I don't know it to me. It's like, it's not one of the classics but i like it for the variety yeah like it fills out the record yeah it makes it more of a complete statement yeah i can't

say that i and i like it once it kicks in yeah i don't know would you cut it right now it no i don't think so i don't think ultimately i would right. Let's go to the next track. This is Let's Be Friends, parentheses, Skin to Skin by Bruce Springsteen. guitar solo I've been watching you a long time Trying to figure out when and when We'll see you next time. Good times got a way of coming to an end. Don't know when this chance might come again.

Good times got a way of slipping away. Baby, let's be friends. Let's be friends. Come on, let's be friends. Come on, let's be friends I don't know if we're different, you and me Got a different way of walking Time has come, let the past be history Yeah, if we could just start talking

Don't know when there's a chance What do we think? You know, before you started, I was like, yeah, this is going to be one of the ones I would cut. But listening to it, I'm like, oh, this is catchy and pretty good. It's like a little Sugar Ray-ish. Yeah, I don't love that. It's the only one that Brendan O'Brien didn't produce, and he does not like it. Yeah, but I get that. But i produced it uh tony loke tone loke tony loke yeah he shortened it uh for his stage name tone loke uh-huh but tony loke yeah um tony was it actually

sugar rays producer don't tell me that no no it's uh tony his uh longtime engineer yeah this was done before brendan o'brien i think uh tony i'm looking for it i'm looking for it toby scott toby loke as he's known i feel like i could do without it, but... It's interesting. There's probably an 11-track version that doesn't need it, but it feels like it needs some energy at this point in the album. Some happiness. So I sort of like it, but it is slightly sugary.

The production is maybe not aged as well as the rest of the record. Yeah, that's my one issue okay let's go to the next track further on up the road is dark And the seat is sore Where the gun is cocked And the bullets cold Where the miles are marked In blood and gold I'll meet you further on up the road

Got on my dead man's suit And my smiling skull rang My lucky graveyard books And a song to sing Got a song to sing Keep me out of the cold And I'll meet you further on up the road Further on up the road

Further on up the road Further on up the road Where the wind is dark And the night is cold Oh, a sunny morning will rise, I know. And I'll meet you further on. Further on up the road, Adam. I like it.

I like the, like, Bob Seger-ness of it. Yeah, or social distortion. It's like, certainly not like the old E Street band style at all. It's like very crunchy rock. Johnny Cash ended up covering this. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Fred Freud died. Yeah, just like, this is where the Brendan O'Brien Pearl Jam kind of influence really takes center stage. You like it? I do. I like it. like this is where the Brendan O'Brien Pearl Jam kind of influence really takes center stage. You like it? I do.

I like it. Yeah. I do like it, Adam. Thanks. I like it. I wrote it. What? It's mine.

All right. This is the next track. This is called The Fuse, F-U-S-E. By Bruce Springsteen. U.S.E. by Bruce Springsteen. Already, it's your favorite. Why?

Because of the hip-hop influence? That's right. Down at the courthouse They're ringing the flag down Long black line of cars Snaking slow through town through town Red sheets snapping on the line With this

ring will you be mine Fuses burning on What do you think about The Fuse, Adam? I would cut this one. This is a song about people who, when 9-11 happens, go have

sex to feel alive. Oh. I wasn't getting that. Now what do you think? I'd keep it. Place it first. No, I don't care for it. You don't like like it used very well in spike lee's uh film 25th hour oh it is film yeah but i love that movie but weirdly they they remix it at orchestra and take all the uh echo off oh maybe that's why i don't recognize it maybe you'd like

it better yeah but brendan o'brien's like why'd they take all the echo off maybe because it sounds dated i don't know. What do you think? I don't mind it on a different record. I would probably cut it, but yeah. Okay. This is, for me, one of the SCC's Stone Cold Classics. This is a song called Mary's Place. I got seven pictures of Buddha

The prophets on my tongue Eleven angels of mercy sign With a black hole in the sun My heart's dark but it's rising I'm pulling on faith I can see From that black hole on the horizon I hear your voice calling me Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain

Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain Let it rain Meet me at Mary's place We're gonna have a party Meet me at Mary's place We're gonna have a party Tell me how do we get this thing started Meet me at Mary's Place, Adam.

Cut it. Cut it? No, I'm just kidding. Just because I said it was an SEC. Yeah, I like it. I like this song a lot. Great live. It's good. Yeah, it sounds like it's I like this song a lot. Great live. It's good.

Yeah, it sounds like it's tailor-made to be live. This is maybe also the most East Edible Street Band sounding song where it goes ding, ding, ding, ding. Is it something that's been played live for years that they just put on this album? No, he wrote it for this. And in fact, it's about a celebration. They're all, meet me at Mary's place, but a lot of the lyrics are pointing to the in fact it's about a celebration they're all meet me at mary's place but a lot of the lyrics are pointing to the fact that it's awake yeah yeah that's what i figured

because uh some of the lyrics at the beginning about uh i've got seven buddha it's like implying like it's some sort of religious overtones i think spring seems intimated that it may take place in the great beyond as well. Oh, interesting. But it's a very joyful, like, sounds like it's a 60s song. It's just like, hey, go down to Mary's place. We're going to party. But it's about people dealing with grief. Here's Clarence. I don't know.

I just like that it's a sad song done in a happy way. Yeah. It's a cool, cool song. Always liked that one. All right. Next up, we have four more songs. The Rising is the 13th song on the album. I know.

It's so bizarre. It's one of the best ones too, yeah It's crazy This is You're Missing By BS aka Bruce Springsteen The boss BS aka? Bissaka. Shirts in the closet Shoes in the hall

Mamas in the kitchen Baby in the hall Everything is everything Everything is everything That you're missing Coffee cups on the counter Jackets on the chair Papers on the doorstep

But you're not there Everything is everything Everything is everything That you're missing. Yeah, I think I would cut this one. Really? Yeah. I like it.

Yeah. I think it's one of the songs that it's about 9-11 but becomes universal for anyone who has a loved one that's passed on yeah of course i i just i feel like it's getting late in the album and we've already covered this ground if we've tightened it up though maybe it stays i don't know maybe earlier in the i don't know. Maybe earlier in the, I don't know. I feel like Into the Fire and Nothing Man. No, at this point we're like in the 55th minute or something of this album. Yeah. But it's also just ground we've covered already, just thematically.

Well, let's get to one of the centerpieces of the record. This is the titular The Rising. This is, remember how we were talking about John Landau thinking maybe they would title the greatest hits after one of the songs? Yeah. He was really saying, Bruce, you need to call your album The Rising because of this song because it was like a big centerpiece track. Yeah.

This is The Rising. By Bruce Springriesen. Can't see nothing coming up behind. Make my way through this dark night. I can't feel nothing but this chain that binds me. Lost track of how far I've gone. How far I've gone. How high I've climbed and how high I've climbed On the backs of sixty-pound stones

On the shoulder half-mile of line Come on up for the rising Come on up and lay your hands in mine Come on up for the rising Come on up for the rising tonight Left the house this morning Bells were ringing, felt the air I swear to the cross of my calling

Home is afire, I can roll down again Come on up for the rising Come on up and lay your hands in mine Come on up for the rising Come on up for the rising of mine La la la la la la la la I feel like this song has three hooks and we haven't even gotten to the third one yet. Yeah, it's crazy. You got the come on up for the rise

which is sort of the chorus and then the la la la's which is a great hook and then the rise up which is coming. By the way, this is a Springsteen solo. It's a great solo. Finally, he's using a different guitar that Brendan O'Brien gave him. A different guitar sound. And since then, he's bought guitars like this because he's like, different guitar that Brendan O'Brien gave him. A different guitar sound.

And since then, he's bought guitars like this. Because he's like, oh, this sounds good. But yeah, we haven't gotten to the Rise Up yet part. It's so crazy. This is so deep in the record. Oh, that's on My City of Ruins. Oh, the Rise Up. Yeah.

Well, that's what I mean when I say three hooks. That's right. The third one's silent. Well, the third one's a different song. This is SCC. This is an SCC. But I'd cut it. No, I love this song so much.

And they never play a show without playing this anymore. Yeah, maybe. They played it when I saw them back in the spring. Did you know that? I saw him at Madison Square Garden. Yeah, I feel like this comes when I saw them back in the spring. Did you know that? I saw him at Madison Square Garden. Yeah, I feel like this comes up every once in a while. I feel like in the days where there'd be two sides to the record, this would be the start of side two.

Yeah, its placement is bizarre. Very weird. But Springsteen, Springy himself, saw it as the start of a three song close to the album which I don't know especially let's hear this

second there's been a few three song closes so far this is the second to last track this is called Paradise

by Bruce Springsteen Where the river runs too black I take school books from your pack Plastics and wire in your kiss The breath of eternity on your lips Plastics and wire in your kiss. The breath of eternity on your lips. In the crowded marketplace. I drift from face to face. I hold my breath and close my eyes I hold my breath and close my eyes

And I wait for paradise And I wait for paradise. The Virginia hills have gone brown. Paradise. Another day, another sun going down. I think I would cut this one maybe it's just because of placement but it's just too late in the album I like the song it's just too late to be

look the other part about this album is every song is close to 5 minutes or over 5 minutes to 6 minutes which makes it like a modern 2000s record but your last three songs are over 15 minutes yeah and it's just it's just a lot so this is this is a definite cut for me yeah um but let's get to the last song this is this we were

talking about it before this is the song he sang on the telethon this is my city of ruins by bruce springsteen. On the cold dark ground When the rain has fallen down The church door's thrown open I can hear the organ song And the congregation's gone My city of ruins My city of ruins Now the sweet bells of mercy Drift through the evening trees

Young men on the corner Like scattered leaves The boarded up windows The empty streets Are my brothers down On a street My city of ruins My city of ruins Come on, rise up Come on, rise up

Come on, rise up Come on, rise up I mean, to hear this just days after 9-11, it was very emotional. Takes the chords of People Get Ready. Yeah. Which he often sings when he does this live. People get, he ends with it a lot. Like, people get ready, There's a train coming.

Do you like my voice? That's beautiful. Yeah, I like this. I would cut it, though. This is one of the classic songs. I have to say, Paradise, you know, the thing that caught my ear is the melody is kind of close to Sounds of Silence. Did you notice that? Oh.

Well, how can it be close to just silence if it's a melody? I don't know. Crazy. There's also a song by Simone and Garfinkel. I love this album, but I feel like I would cut five songs. Okay, so which would you cut? I think I would cut Nothing Man. Yeah, me too. I think I would cut Empty Sky. I would keep it, but which would you cut? I think I would cut Nothing Man. Yeah, me too.

I think I would cut Empty Sky. I would keep it, but I would cut- Which one's Empty? How does Empty Sky go? Empty Sky, Empty Sky. That's pretty good. Empty Sky. I would maybe cut Counting on a Miracle.

Huh. I think I would cut Worlds- Nothing Man. I would probably cut Worlds Apart. Yeah. Just because it's a little boring. But I like it for variety Worlds. Nothing, man. I would probably cut Worlds apart. Yeah. Just because it's a little boring. But I like it for variety. Like, that's the thing.

Sometimes the song, I'll be like, this is boring, but it'll work as palette cleanser. But I would probably cut Worlds apart. If I was really being brutal,

I would cut Worlds apart. And maybe Let's Be Friends. Maybe Let's Be Friends. But I would definitely cut The Fuse, You're Missing, and Paradise. I would keep You're Missing, but I would cut Paradise. Yeah.

Anyway, that's, you know, look, like Judd Apatow says about his movies, you pay one price and you get 20 extra minutes. That's right. You know, like we're paying, we can make these. This album would cost the same. Whether it had more songs on it or not, we can make these... This album would cost the same, whether it had more songs on it or not. We can make these edits ourselves. That's right. Really great album, though.

Obviously just put him into a different conversation than he had been, especially in the 90s, when people just really didn't care about what he was doing all that much anymore. Yeah. But also just unlike, I'm trying to think of other acts who come back after a hiatus like this and totally just make their sound very modern. I guess you could say the Rolling Stones always try

with working with the Dust Brothers and stuff like that, but they always kind of still sound like the Rolling Stones. This sounds way different than anything he's been doing. And yet sounds very vital and modern. Yeah. Yeah. It's really great. That said.

Cut. I would cut most of it. Cut most of it. Well, he goes out on tour with this um with the edibles and i think they do a couple years or something and uh yeah it was a huge hit huge hit i mean did it win grammys and stuff oh yeah brendan o'brien i think won the gram Grammy for producer. Oh, it's sold. It's double platinum. It went to number one on the Billboard charts.

It's double platinum here in the US. I'm sure it won Grammys, but I am not seeing exactly what at this point. But yeah, I do know Brendan O'Brien won the Grammy for it. Just huge hit. And I think like, was one of these things where like adults at like Starbucks would buy this. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like totally, totally one of those,

those albums that adults, at least you'd give it to people for Christmas. It was one of those albums that kind of everyone had, you know? Yeah. Everybody had You know. Yeah. Everybody had this album. Yeah. Or two million people, which is not bad.

That's the population of at least, what, of America. It's two million. Yeah. Exactly. There's no more than two million people in America, right? It's impossible. There's like 20 people in Canada. Yep. Two million in America. right? It's impossible. There's like 20 people in Canada. Yep.

2 million in America. Anyway, what do we think? I think one of his great albums. Well, we'll see where it ends up on our ranking. So you would think he would just keep this momentum going, right? Yeah. No, not really. Well, we'll find out.

Takes a big, big long break. We'll find out in our next episode. That's going to do it for us here. We're going to see you on our next episode. Until then, we hope that you found what you're looking for. Bye. Bye. you come from