U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - U Springin' Springsteen On My Bean? - The River (Disc 1)

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

Scott and Scott discuss watching the restoration of Stop Making Sense with the Talking Heads in attendance, Micky Dolenz’s new R.E.M. cover album, and the meaning of the word “tallyho”. Plus, they go track-by-track through Disc 1 of Bruce’s fifth studio album The River, which Scott reveals contains his favorite Springsteen song.

from born in the usa to death to my hometown this is you spring and springsteen on my bean the comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things bruce this is good rock and roll music i like that uh intro there i like and i think we should keep we're gonna do another take right oh i think we should keep the really long good. Good rock and roll music. I think that's really good. Okay, why do another take if you want to keep something? Because I always like to have seven choices.

Seven choices. Why seven? Well, number one, the first one, that's got all the energy of the previous week. I get to do this. Yeah, and it's been a week since we've had our hang set. Not tired of it yet. No. Number two is deuce. And we all know what that means.

Yep. Number two. And that's a special number to us. Yeah, and so you just got to flush that one down. Yep. Never use number two. Yeah. Number three, trace, which is, what are some other, what's in French, how do you say three?

Trois. Trois. Trois, as in menage a trois. Take it easy. I've been hoping you would ask me what three in French is. I can't go all the way to seven. So I could intimate that I want to have a menage a trois with you. Well, you've just been waiting for me to-

It's been almost a decade of doing this show, waiting for you to ask me this question. And what it took was me asking you how to say three in French. I've been waiting for that specific question. It's never come up on this show. Well, okay, let's break it down. You want to have a menage a trois. With you. With me.

And who else? It could be someone we know. It could be a total rando. You know what? it could be someone we know it could be a total rando you know what should we do you think do you think we would get in any trouble if we had like a a contest for our listeners i think in today's climate that's a perfect idea right and by the way this is cool with naomi and cool out because it's us doing it yeah and it's the characters we play on the podcast uh welcome to the show this is you spring and springsteen on my bean and uh very special

episode today we're going to be talking about the double album the river a little bit later on the show but before we get to that let me introduce my co-host. He is wearing clothes. I can tell that. But he's holding up a big thing in front of what he's wearing. What's it say? Rowing blaze? Oh, this is my sweatshirt. It says rowing blazers on it.

Uh-huh. And you sweat a lot in that? That's a shirt in order for you to sweat in? Yeah, well, they call it a sweat shirt because you're drenched in sweat when you wear this? Well, if you move around fast. Does a sweatshirt make you sweat because it's so thick and bulky,

or is it designed to be something to mop up sweat? It absorbs sweat. It absorbs sweat. If you happen to sweat in it it all depends on the temperature and your rate of motion but if you do sweat in the sweat shirt uh soak it right up yeah and then the cool thing about a sweat shirt is it soaks up all your sweat and then it uh what has a self-cleaning option. So you never have to wash.

Oh, do you have like hoses and stuff like that in there? There's some sort of apparatus inside the fabric. I'm not sure how it works. I wondered why the minute you came over here, you asked about my plumbing and then you hooked it up to. You also have to charge it. It has a system of batteries that you have to charge. Rechargeable batteries? Yeah. And I can charge it anywhere i want okay i'm worried about these batteries next to the water and you're also hooked up to the electricity as well very very high voltage so you have to be careful but uh other than that how are you being careful right now you're just sloshing around

you're jumping well i like having a body of water near me when i record the podcast uh and today i'm charging my switch it's not a big deal it seems unsafe to me no it's really now that's not the sound of you being electrocuted no no no no No. I'm not being electrocuted. That's just your normal. Yeah, aren't we recording the podcast? Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I almost forgot we were recording. We're having such a nice conversation. Adam Scott is here next to me. Hello, Adam.

Hi. And my name is Scott Aukerman, and this is episode five of you spring and springsteen on my are we already at episode five can you imagine doing five of anything no like what what things have you done five times i don't know i don't know if i've ever done anything five times yeah i mean you would you wouldn't even do five episodes of any tv show you've ever done right you quit at four four there's this weird rumor that you're in a bunch of seasons of parks and rec but you only did four episodes four episodes just spread out over a series of years and people were always saying like where's what was your name in this jimmy

jimmy bygone where's jimmy bygone yeah i don't uh i don't it's four and out that's my contract four and out yeah so and then and you it's also in your contract that you flip the double birds that everyone has you leave the set double birds um and also if there's an opening credit sequence i throw up the double bird during that during that and it's contractually obligated they have to keep it in they can't pixelate it yeah it's which was a big problem for nbc for that parks and rec show i know but i'm not discussing uh that corporation oh sure why would we talk about these corporations? No, yeah.

It's a bummer for them, but they make it work. You know, they figure it out. Sure. It's basically distraction. Since they can't pixelate it. It's like a magic trick. Yeah, like a magic trick.

So when you flip the double birds, they put in audio, so I'm going, hey, over here. Over here. And like a firework on the other side of the screen and so no one has ever the fireworks literally no one has ever noticed it no it's not

one person and now if you go with that in mind go back and try to pick it out you will not be able to you still can't see it because it's so Well, the thing is, everyone loves fireworks. Everyone loves them. Shooting them. You know when I love fireworks? Fourth of July. Is this an episode of You Know When I Love Fireworks? I think it is. Hey, everyone. This is Scott.

And this is Scott. And this is an episode of You Know When I Love Fireworks. I think it's just I love fireworks. I thought it was You Know When I Love Fireworks. Oh, You Know When I Love Fireworks. Yeah, of course it is. Why are we fighting about what the name of this show is? It's our first episode.

I'm really pissed. I don't want to do this anymore. Me neither. Bye. Bye. Huh. well it was off to a strong start and then it went downhill i feel like the host one of the guys got very confused about the name well and then the other guy was a little prickly about it i don't think that he was prickly i think he had righteous justified anger towards his co-host which i think is the dictionary death of prickly sure but he had reason to be prickly i i think

when it doesn't matter if there's reason or not when you call someone prickly it it intimates that the person is wrong for being well guess what i don't want to do this anymore fuck you this bye bye okay that's our show oh yeah we can't end this show okay we gotta keep going and is wrong for being... Well, guess what? I'm calling you freshly. I don't want to do this anymore. Fuck you. Fuck this. Bye. Bye. Wait, that's our show. Oh, yeah. We can't end this show. Okay. We got to keep going.

Adam, I would say it's been... It's been... It's been... Oh, wow. Since I saw you, but I actually saw you last night. And so it's, I believe we parted company approximately 13 hours ago. Does that math check out for you? 13. Let's see.

The baker's dozen amount of hours ago. Yeah, about 13. I think you're right. It's actually exactly 13 hours ago. Yeah. That you and I, we shook hands as we always do because we're right. It's actually exactly 13 hours ago. Yeah. That you and I, we shook hands. As we always do because we're gentlemen. We are.

Every time we see each other, we shake hands. And then when we leave each other. When we part, we shake hands again and say, Tally-ho, my friend. What does Tally-ho mean? It means goodbye. Does it? I don't know. Let's look it up.

What do you say? I really want to look this up tally ho traditional english hunting cry that's exactly it may also be used with direction you said that yes you said it was a traditional english hunting cry that's yes we can play the tape back if you want what does tally ho mean it's a i don't know it's a traditional english hunting cry something oh yeah you're right i bet i won't even look it up see wow how strange that i even said i wouldn't look it up but then you did very weird um but we saw each other not too long ago. And because we got together.

Last night. Again. Yes. 13 hours ago. 13 hours ago. Got together in a rare evening sesh. Yeah. Because we were invited to a very special screening of a movie.

You know what? I feel like this is an episode of you talking, talking heads to my talking head. But yeah, okay. from e to zimbra you talking talking heads to my talking head the comprehensive an encyclopedic compendium of all things talking heads this is good rock and roll music An encyclopedic compendium of all things Talking Heads. This is good rock and roll music. Hey, welcome back. It's great to be back. How long has it been? It's been quiet. It's been since the pandemic, I believe. We haven't done an episode since then.

Summer of 2-2? 2020. So when you abbreviate a year, you pick the first and third number. That's right. So what were you doing in 18? Like right now, we're in 2-2. I mean, 1984. In 1-8?

Yep. So right now, we're in 2-2. We're in 2-2 right now. But back during the pandemic, during 2-2. 2-2. Double twos. And everyone knows what you mean. dose the double dose the double deuce double poops double poo the two poops remember the pandemic during the two poops

what is this person talking about you know the two poops dose turns oh you mean 2020. Oh, gosh. Yeah. So that was the last time we did this. We did an episode of this show. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, we closed it out right before the vaccine came out, I believe.

That's right, because our final episode was naked, I believe. Yes. And right before we all got the vaccine and immediately had heart attacks. Yeah. Thankfully, RFK Jr.'s out there spreading the word. God. Yeah, so

I don't know who invited us. Do you know who invited us? Did you ever get confirmation about what person or entity actually extended the invitation to us regarding no i don't i don't know even my manager just sent it to me we share a manager yeah so they sent it to us we split everything we split a manager which is very strange because i'm waiting for my episodes of severance yeah to finally happen um because i'm doing season two right yeah and i send you all half my salary and i

send you half of mine which is fine it's fair we could just keep our salaries i guess but it's fun it's so fun but um yeah our manager sent us at at the same exact time and this is right before last week's episode by the way uh or as we were sitting down to record last week's episode of you spring and spring soon on my bean of course uh we each got an invite uh to one of the screenings of the new a24 restoration of stop making sense in 4k and uh we got to pick which one we went to there was one at uh vidiot's is that what it's called yeah vidiot's vidiot's which is more by us but then more by our houses not to give us more assassination locations yeah or assassination coordinates as elon will you know what we we will include that in the

instagram post yes we'll put our assassination coordinates in in the instagram post but um but we chose to go to the arrow in santa monica which is a bit of a trek for us but um i wanted to go there because of paul thomas and yes paul thomas anderson was moderating a q a with the entire band yeah and uh we've they very graciously invited two humble podcasters that's right to such an event that's right and um you went with naomi we met there you went with naomi and um previous guest on this show uh tony new uh tony newsome i keep thinking of her instagram handle trondy new newman uh tony newsome went with me uh because she's such a we talked about it on the episodes before she was in the talking heads stop making sense uh show tribute tribute show that she did hundreds of times um and uh so we we watched the movie which is what was your impression of it i mean it was amazing

i'd never seen it on a big screen i grew up in the uh in the eight eights and or in the in the 98 in the one eights uh and you know video at home tons of times because this movie came out in one eight came out one eight uh 1986 of course 85 no it came i think the movie's 86 right uh 85 84 maybe i i was looking at the 80 i was looking at the roman numerals at the end of it yeah and i believe it ended with a oh no 84 is it 84 it is 84 it came out october 19th of 84 um but i saw the movie like on vhs but even more than that just listen to the album through the entire rest of the one eights. Yeah. And it's one of my very favorite albums

and the movie is incredible, but had never seen it in the movie. I remember my brother went and saw it in the movie theater a few times, but for whatever reason. Never took you. Never took me. What a douche.

But our whole family seemed to be into that album. Like it was so, it was just sort of, it's like Graceland. It's like one of those albums that was just everywhere. Well, well. You are my bodyguard. Boom, boom. But seeing it on the big screen, and it looks incredible. It looks like it was filmed yesterday, which it wasn't.

It was filmed in the one eight. They had to make that clear. They came up, they stopped the movie in the middle of it that's right and they actually said a few times and they were like hey hey hey hey because everyone in the audience was like this when was i where was i this was filmed yesterday obviously why were we invited to this instead of yesterday that's right and they hey, hey, shut the fuck up. Yeah. This was filmed 40 years ago almost. And we went, oh. Oh, right. I forgot.

I thought the other thing that was interesting was the movie started about 15, 20 minutes late. Yeah. Which I thought was to be expected with an event. It was okay. It was fine. You were getting a little antsy. Yeah. So to help you out um i stood up and

addressed the crowd and i said stop making sense more like start showing movie yeah and everyone laughed they clawed they clapped uh and then you jammed a tranquilizer dart into my leg which also chilled me out yep you were fine after that uh but it also sounded amazing because yes back when they made the movie it was just uh just movie theaters was just stereo but now it's you know this was not uh this was clarified to me after you left uh at the party afterwards this it was not the full atmos dolby atmos sound it at the air because of that yeah and uh i was told by a certain party that if i could see it in imax and adobe atmos theater to try to go see it because the sound is even better i'm gonna do that i'm gonna definitely see it because i guess there are speakers on the ceiling and in the

atmos ones so everything kind of like pings around they have speaker adobe atmos they have a speaker on your seat that you sit on yeah that you can shit on as well they call it the the pooper uh oh boy uh so anyway it was amazing what did you think oh it was great i mean the the level of detail and clarity uh i at certain like it was filmed yesterday at certain i kind of felt that too and i was like confused because i was like why invite us to this shit right when we could have just watched the concert yesterday but then someone made it clear to me um but i was leaning over to tani uh occasionally pointing out little things i'd never noticed before but she's seen it so many times she had

to watch it hundreds of times she must have loved that you interrupting the film to point out things you had never noticed before no we were both sort of doing, but I, like in the last song, there's a shot of, you can see faintly in the background, the odd, the front row of the audience. And there's a guy, everyone's dancing, except one guy who seems to be putting his belongings into it, getting ready to go. I was like, look like look at that guy um but uh yeah the the level of detail and clarity is is fascinating it sounds great it looks amazing it's still such a great movie it's so good like the yeah like that um what a day that was the way that's filmed it's in all close-ups of every member of the band and then cuts cuts out to the wide shot twice really really

quick yeah amazing i mean just the movie itself is just paul thomas anderson introduced it and just said he asked for a show of hands people who hadn't seen the movie before surprisingly a lot of people at the theater had not seen it before and he was like good you're in for 88 minutes of just joy and it really is it's just all energy and joy and it's hard like i know that the vidiot screening people everyone was up and people were dancing i think in some of the other ones that like in toronto and stuff people were dancing it was i think these seats were a little it was kind of a bummer like vidiot's i think has like more wide chairs and stuff like and and so people were just kind of it was a little compacted for us so it was hard not and we were in the center because you picked the seats and you were like front row center or

nothing they were like great great seats i mean they were i mean there was like right in the a little towards the front but and there were only like 10 people standing up in front of us blocking our, which is fine. That's fine. I mean, you were used to that. Um, oh wait, no, no. Cause one of them I thought was David Byrne. Oh no, that's, that was the movie. That was the movie.

See that it wasn't people blocking. No, no, no one. The people holding instruments were in the film. Uh, I thought it was. I thought it was great. And it did feel like a concert sort of because everyone applauded after every single song. And when like Steve Scale was out there trying to get the crowd in the Pantages where they filmed it to clap. Everyone clapped along with it. It's crazy that they filmed that at the Pantages.

Yeah. Growing up, I always thought it was. Where I at the Pantages yeah growing up I always thought where I saw the musical six yeah and I saw the producers who was in that it was Martin Short and

that must have been good it was great it was awesome Martin Short and Howard Hessman Howard I would love to see Howard Hessman

I saw him do Laughter on the 23rd Floor really was it great? It was good. And he got a huge round of applause because he played the Sid Caesar, essentially.

He played the boss. And he yelled so hard, he made his entire face turn beet red. Like, it was a trick he sort of figured out he could do. He made his entire face beet red and everyone applauded for it. That's all I remember. for it that's all i really that's all i remember what a bizarre trick um yep cops hate this one bizarre trick um but uh so so

then the uh the the film ended and paul thomas anderson moderated the q a with the entire band and that's right uh mr burns was jason alexander and martin short that's right um and and the rest everyone was there and um it was a it was a good q a i saw clips of the one from toronto the spike lee hosted and this was a better q a i feel like a like, a little more in-depth. And Paul Thomas Anderson had a relationship with Jonathan Demme and was his friend, I guess, before Jonathan Demme passed away and heard a lot of stories that he then told. Yeah. And he brought Gary Getzman up. Yeah. Who produced the movie.

Who produced the movie. They were old. They knew each other. And I guess Gary Getzman, the waterbed salesman in Licorice Pizza is based on him? The whole movie is based on Gary Getzman's childhood. Really? Yeah. Oh, interesting.

Gary Getzman is the coolest guy. I know him just a tiny bit. He's so fun and the best storyteller and grew up here and had the craziest life, apparently, and the most interesting life growing up in the valley and he's a he's a really cool fun dude he's like tom he works at playtone and i think created playtone with tom hanks oh great well he he felt like he no one was there to see him so paul thomas anderson was sort of like tell this story tell this story he's like nah yeah and so paul thomas Anderson was like, I'll tell it. And then told a fascinating story.

Can I, I, it wasn't just for that room. I feel like cause Hollywood was taping and everything, but he told the funniest story about the fact that when they were making stop making sense, um, Jonathan Demme scheduled it and everything. And then the movie he was do he did before stop making sense called swing shift notoriously just bad disaster of a movie um they they then had to do reshoots and they scheduled them on the same days as the stop making sense yeah and so jonathan demi had to do swing shift in the mornings and afternoon and then go over to drive

over to the Pantages and do Stop Making Sense um and they didn't tell the band yeah because they didn't want the band to go like why isn't the director here so yeah they didn't want David Byrne to freak out so Mr. Byrne's was constantly wandering in going, where's Jonathan? Yeah. And they would go, oh, at lunch, he'll be right back. And he was not there during a lot of the pre-production. But then he is at Swing Shift, and he had a very well-documented, very bad time with the star of Swing Shift, one of the stars of Swing Shift. swing shift and uh so that particular star felt like jonathan demi was too focused on the talking heads movie he was doing concurrently and wanted to punish him for it and so slowed everything down on set and like took you know did multiple takes and and took a really long time to get ready and so it was just dragging everything out because she wanted to make him late to the Pantages.

And he's got to go at five and he's constantly looking at his watch, John, the Demi is. And so Ed Harris, the actor, is also in the movie. Gets wind of what's going on and starts to see the machinations of what the star is doing. And goes into his trailer. And an hour later calls a PA and he goes, Oh, I have a terrible stomach ache. I can't continue on today.

He sounds like Bruce Springsteen. Oh, one, two, three. Oh. Um, and he's like,

I can't, I can't continue on. And they're like, come on, you gotta, we're here. We're doing research. He goes, Nope, I can't I can't continue on and they're like come on you gotta we're here we're doing research you got he goes nope I can't film until tomorrow we're gonna have to cancel till tomorrow so everything wraps Jonathan Demme gets out of there uh in time for his call he jumps in

his car and who opens the passenger side door but Ed Harris he goes come on let's rock and like goes to the concert so Ed Harris is out there in the audience and stop making sense for the first day or something so cool so and they filmed the movie over three nights so it's three shows they did four apparently oh really uh because even mr burns said oh we filmed it four nights but i they filmed the first three and then they did a regular show without filming it on the fourth oh and it was the end of the tour oh that's right um i would imagine they did pickups with without an audience yes right that's the other thing is i feel like before the audience ever got there they did some of the stuff like the opening shot of the movie where he walks out without an audience but i would imagine some close-ups too because they're right up and what i had never really noticed in the movie before was

how much you could see the cameraman yeah and the big film canisters kind of walking around like yeah oh he canna vision he also told us a very funny story about jonathan demme that he was so excited he rolled every camp they had six cameras they rolled he rolled every camera at the same time at the beginning of the show and they all rolled out of film on the first night. Yeah. They all rolled out of film at the exact same time. So every single camera missed one of the songs. Yeah.

And he realized the next night, oh, okay, staggered the cameras. And it's Jordan Cronenweth. It's Cronenweth. Is that how you pronounce it? The DP. Right. Who's just unbelievable. Right.

Is that how you pronounce it? The DP. Right. Who's just unbelievable. Right. And so they've both passed away since. But yeah, Paul Thomas Anderson was really close with Jonathan Demme and is thanked in the credit. So I would imagine he also helped out with the restoration. Maybe, yeah.

So it was really cool. The band was telling stories. And then at a certain point, Paul Thomas Anderson asks what's kind of a touchy question, I believe, because we talked about it on the previous episode. He asks Tina Verimouth. He asks her, so how do you feel now about the tom tom club song being in the movie and she chris chris by the way is like ah i'm not gonna answer this chris france yeah and she's like well it's fine now now we're glad i'm i'm not totally getting what the problem was because david byrne was a was dismissive of tom tom the problem was and i believe we covered this on our previous episode

talking about the movie and two two yeah and two two the problem was that the tom tom club was tina and her sisters singing oh that's right and so tina and her sisters uh normally would do they and they never did full concerts they just did like because they didn't have really yeah it was just like it would open for talking heads occasionally doing five songs or something like that and tina's sisters would sing but what on this big tour they were doing tina's sisters weren't going to come just for one song. Yeah. So, uh, they,

and this was always a song to cover Mr. Burns changing into the big suit. Yeah. And there was never any intention for it to be in the movie. So Tina's sisters come to the Pantages to watch this movie being filmed. And they could very well have said like, come on up and sing this song with us. But they were like,

why? Let's, it's not going to be in the movie movie let's just do what the tour is going to be doing cut to it is in the movie jonathan demi i believe insists on it being in the movie tina's sisters don't talk to her for years that sucks yeah and so tina's telling this story about what a problem it caused between her and her sisters at the time. And she kind of casually says, because my sisters are great. And of course, Lynn and Edna did such a good job singing what they sang. And she goes, oh, and they're here, by the way. And so Lynn Mabry and Edna Holt, who do all the backing vocals throughout the movie, who are incredible in it, are there in the audience. Tawny, who played Lynn Mabry in the recreation that she did. Tribute show, yeah. The tribute show that she did hundreds of times,

gasps audibly. And they say, oh, Steve is also here too, Steve Scale. Yeah. Come on upstage. And so the three of them come on stage. Yeah. Just incredible to see. It's amazing.

To see these guys. Is Alex Weir no longer with us, the guitarist? Alex Weir is still with us the guitarist alex weir is still with us okay uh he's but no idea where he lives maybe he's not in la yeah um so tani's just like fangirling and uh lynn and and edna talk about like what an incredible experience this was i think yeah i think they you know they they went around they sang with bands and they were like oh yeah it's a gig yeah and they really liked the talking heads gig i think and we're like oh uh i think lynn talked about how she hadn't even heard of them but went in and saw a rehearsal was like oh these guys are actually really good yeah

but they and then they had fun doing the whole tour, but they thought that was it. And they heard about the movie and we're sort of like, oh yeah, the movie. But you know, when something like that is being filmed, you never expect it. Yeah. To be as huge. To be a thing. Yeah. You know, it could just be like a DVD. They put it, you know what I mean?

So it becomes this phenomenon and they're just like, it opened so many doors for all three of them. Steve talked about that as well, about and it opened so many doors for all three of them steve talked about that as well about how it opened up uh he got to work with some of the most amazing musicians in the world because of it yeah and it was really cool and i'm like tani you have to you have to talk to lynn and she's like no i mean she won't want to hear it's so dorky she won't want to hear from me i was like we have to go and talk to lynn afterwards so you you took off because you were like i'm fucking out of here and you gave the double birds audi

5000 that's what i always say and so tony and i hung out in the back um and uh a kid came by and passed us who looked exactly like Jerry Harrison. And Tawny says, oh, that's Jerry Harrison's son. And so I met Jerry Harrison's son who helped. By the way, is this an episode of I Met Jerry Harrison's Son? I think it is. Hey, everyone. Welcome to I Met Jerry Harris, Son Son. This is Scott.

And this is Scott. So wait, you met Jerry Harris and Son? Yes, I met Jerry Harris, Son Son. And he told me he helped set up the interview or some of the audio. Did you go say hi to Jerry Harrison? I did, but this is an episode of I Met Jerry Harris on Sun. Right, so never mind. Never mind.

I'll talk about that on a different show. Great. But nice guy. Now, how old a kid is he? You say kid. I would say he was between zero and 150 years old. Okay, great. If that narrows it down for it does uh nice guy great bye bye yeah that was solid yeah and i feel like it's going to be a long podcast with many more many

more episodes if i meet him ever again sure we'll do another app it would have to be i saw jerry harris sun sun again rather than i met because you only met someone that might have just been the only episode of that then yeah it's a limited series one and done very limited yeah um so everyone's filing out you took off and so finally audi 5000 yeah finally uh we go back into the theater because of the throng of people have all dispersed and uh i see lynn kind of like going to her whole family was there her daughter was there it was three when they filmed it and all this kind of stuff it was very cool that her family was there to see this. And I'm like, Tony, come on, come on, come on. And I drag her over to her. And so she talks to Lynn and she says, I've watched you hundreds and hundreds of times doing this. I've studied your every move and lynn's like oh my god that's incredible and and hugs her and is like follow me on instagram you know gave her she's like i'm official lynn mabry not lynn mabry

official um and it's like okay uh and then we took pictures i forced tani to take pictures with her and stuff uh it was very cool that's awesome so had she heard of the show the the tribute show before no no this was a chicago thing i think i so she hadn't heard of the show, the tribute show before? No, no. This was a Chicago thing, I think. So she hadn't heard of it, but it was just like, oh, cool. And Tawny was like, you opened up so many spaces for me in this rock space. It made me feel like I could do it and all this kind of stuff. It was very nice. So then we went to the after party and we were like, the band's not going to be there. Nope, all four of them at the band's not going to be there. Nope.

All four of them at the bar. All four of them there. Wow. Now, did they hang out together and socialize together at the party? It didn't quite seem like it. It seemed like David was sort of off by himself. Tawny and I talked to Jerry for a bit and reminded him of who we were. Oh, you did?

Is this an episode of I Met Jerry Harrison? I think so. Hey, everyone. Welcome to I Met Jerry Harrison. This is Scott. And this is Scott. So you met Jerry Harrison. I don't consider a Zoom sesh to be a meeting. No, of course not. This is an in-person meet so you met oh is this an episode of i met jerry harrison in person you think so hi everyone welcome to i met jerry harrison in person this is scott and this is scott

so you met jerry har met Jerry Harrison in person. In person. This was an in-person meet. I don't consider a Zoom sesh to be an in-person meet. So talk to Jerry Harrison. Bye. Bye. so anyway i talked to jerry harrison um and uh he was talking to tanya and us about the how he mixed everything right he was in charge of the whole all the mixing and stuff like that restoration he told us about the atmos you know how oh you got to go see it in actual i got it with that most because of the speakers and all that kind of stuff. Very nice to see him.

Okay, bye. Bye. So yeah, so. Now what about Tina Weymouth and Chris France? Were they then off? They were off sort of together by themselves. And then Lynn and her family were in a booth and we passed them. And Tawny was like, I'm not stalking you. And she was like, no, I was just telling my family about what you told me about how you did this tribute and played me. And they were so

fascinated i was i was like hey tony is in the new star trek show and they said not the cartoon right and tony's like no it's the cartoon and they go well we know an actor on it don our friend don is in it and tony's like she plays my mom on it and so they like connected on that very cool so uh uh tony went up to talk to mr burns she's like do you want to talk to mr burns i was like nah i'm all right yeah i didn't expect him to care about this podcast yeah yeah yeah so tani went up and just was like thank you for everything and he was just like oh oh okay did she get a photo with mr burns um and then we just we left because we didn't know a single other person there okay well sounds like a sounds like a fun night so all in all do you think i was home

uh in sweatpants by the time you left the party in definitely and you were working up an incredible sweat. Yeah. I mean, those pants make me sweat. They were soaked and you were reeking. And I had to turn on the self-cleaning mechanism in those pants. By the way, you're wearing them right now. Yeah. You're hooked up to the electricity. And there's a pool of water at my feet. Yeah. I'm just very worried about you.

But well, that's's great it was so fun thank you to whomever invited us we don't know who yeah i was sort of like is this from jerry i would imagine it's just i think it's pr 820 yeah 824 or whatever just was like oh there's these guys who would probably love an invite but uh and we did or they just invited a shitload of people and just yeah because i because uh your survivor buddy jeff probes was there yeah jeff probes was there yeah and john c reilly was there huh uh beau burnham was there uh-huh which i didn't know till i got home i didn't see any oh megan amram was there and we talked she was yeah we talked i didn't see her well guess what

you'd take it off by then shit um and yeah it was incredible it was just incredible to i'm gonna go if it plays at imax up at universal i'm gonna go see that what about now i wonder if the the man's chinese imax oh maybe it'll play i think it's there because now let's talk about the because they they re-released the album as well in this new restoration this new mix right have you listened to that i have not you you have though i have and it's really interesting it's it's very different for i mean if you've grown up with the album and listen to it thousands of times like i have i think it's quite a bit different there's some really interesting things there's more crowd noise like during the songs which is weird

and there are more people going like hey over here hey look at me check check this out hey hey cameraman check check out these look at my hands look at my tits um and also different vocal takes and stuff if i'm not mistaken really because i think uh some of it was recorded psycho killer i think some of it was re-recorded in the studio maybe back in the day i mean this is a lot of noise is this the this is a crowd noise. Is this the new mix? Yeah, this is the new mix. I mean, I hear a guitar. I hear occasionally people going,

woo! I hear some claps, some hand clapping. Yeah, there wasn't this much crowd noise in the original. Well, okay, so the original, there's three different versions of right the original original is no longer available yes i have it but where did you do you just have the old cd and you burned it yeah because i love that psycho killer yes without the

extended dance breaks and stuff like yeah yeah they for the original they edited it down they have nine songs and edited it down to 40 minutes or so um but there's no heaven there's no this must be the place but they have uh what a day that was which is great and um they have a lot of the the great songs on it but they had to edit little snippets out of the songs in order to make everything fit yeah but they but for me a guy who'd heard once in a lifetime and burning down the house this was my introduction to me too talking heads so it was like a greatest hits album yeah in a way and i didn't even know that that what a day that was wasn't a talking head song it's just a david for Yeah, me too. But yeah, so it's the three different versions of the record.

There's that original one. Then they put out a few years back. They did the special edition, which included everything from the actual movie. Almost. Yes, everything from the movie. And then this new edition is a different mix. And then they include two cut songs from the movie, which were previously only on DVD. Cities and...

Isimbra and Big Business. But Cross-Eyed and Painless was not on the second edition, was it? Or was it? Yes. Cross-Eyed and Painless is the final song on the second edition. It is interesting. Yes. Because I had forgotten that was even in the movie.

That's how long ago, how long it had been since I'd seen that movie. I mean, we watched it in 2-2. I mean, I watched most of it in 2-2. You shut it off before the end. I had seen it. Here's a little bit. Maybe I did.

This is Big Business slash eZimbra. This is off the special new edition. This is not in the movie. It was a deleted scene from the movie. You can find it on the DVD. It just goes on like that for a long time um but play like what do you want to play to prove your fucking point to get me to agree with you is that what it's gonna take no i play life during wartime see whatall oh yeah i hear it there's a it's a little bit

different are you joking another one we the best this takes a minute to to kick in i hear like dj khaled okay now play the second version of it okay here we go ready it's the second version. It's the second version. It sounds very similar. Oh, one might even say the same. Wait for it to kick in,

because maybe the crowd noise hasn't quite started yet. All right. Maybe there is more crowd noise hasn't quite started yet. All right. Maybe there is more crowd noise. Let's hear that third version one more time. I think that's a bad example. No, I want to hear this third version. Okay, there's no crowd noise. That's a bad example. Hold on. I want to hear this crowd noise there's none there's none there's none

i think you're playing the same version i'm not i think you are let's listen to the first version. Oh, Jesus. Just kidding. The first version is probably very different, right? Probably. Here it is. Yeah. It's like a... It sounds like it's in a studio. A little bit, yeah.

The keyboard sound is a little bit different, it feels like. That... That... Yeah. That's different. It does sound a little different.

It does. There's zero crowd noise. Well, there wasn't before. Well, we'll never figure this out. I want to get that first version from you because... Yeah. Well, what would you do with it? Stick it up my butt. What would I do with it? How would you do with it stick it up my butt what would i do with it how would you listen to it you you say that you don't uh have any way to listen to mp3s right

no i just put them in my thing all right i'll send them to you and you can put them in your thing it's not difficult to uh uh-huh the name of this band is talking heads is a great live album too i always forget about they don't they put it out like only three years earlier than this one so everyone was kind of like another live record from talking heads and people were like no i think we have to do it all right look we gotta go we'll see you next time we hope that you find what you've been looking for good app that was a long app yeah my goodness good long time um one other thing adam i think we have to talk about and look we're we're taping this well in advance of when the episode comes out. So pardon us for not getting to this news sooner. But Mickey Dolenz of the Monkees put out a very interesting record, which we should talk about.

Do you want to talk about it? Yeah. from chronic to collapse town and into now that is this is are you talking rem me the comprehensive okay um hey welcome everyone this is Scott. And this is Scott. And so Mickey Dolenz of the Monkees, I texted you this news. Sure did. And you responded with a simple, whoa. Mickey Dolenz is putting out an EP of REM covers.

What a weird thing to happen. And it was, reading an article about it, it was someone suggested he do it, and he said, yeah, okay. But they put out the first single, and it's a cover of Shiny Happy People, a song which, when REM does it, I would say, I'm not incredibly fond of. Yeah, I think they played it live once on snl right that's it um but uh michael uh stipend put out a quote about it saying mickey dolan's covering r.e.m monkey style i have died and gone to heaven um so let's hear a little bit of it. What do you say? Yeah. Yeah, I think we have to. shiny happy people shiny happy people shiny happy people People holding hands Meet me in the crowd

People, people Throw your love around Love me, love me Take it into town Happy, happy Put it in the ground Where the flowers grow Gold and silver shine Do you like this more than the original?

I do. It's funny because with this and stand michael stipend always said he was trying to do bubble gum yeah like monkeys and yeah strawberry alarm clock and like those kinds of bands and i and i had always felt like well you guys are better than that right so you don't have to do that but um but this is a i think a perfect it's marriage it's awesome now the others think of the yeah the track list it's weird it's it's a it's interesting what is it again uh i just know leaving leaving what the the songs are um it's the aforementioned shiny happy people radio free europe yeah um man on the moon oh it's only four

songs and leaving new york leaving new york is the odd choice think. So I'm really excited to hear that one. Radio Free Europe is odd, too. I mean, it's... I can see, though, that... I feel like I can see that one because it's based in, like, 60s jangle pop. I guess so, yeah. Being interesting. But Leaving New York is a very weird one.

I can see him giving it that... That we just listened to, that treatment. Yeah, for Leaving new york because it's kind of a big spacious song i really like that song a lot yeah that's great i get oh look pre-ordered mickey you're crazy for this one i think that it sounds great it's cool should we listen to leaving new york just to see like how we think he'll. No. Okay.

Because we, you know, I feel like we got to wrap up this episode. You know, so. Oh, wait. They also announced the 25th anniversary of Up coming out. Yeah. And the concert you were at is on the the second disc i mean the fact that i'm now gonna have a recording of this uh party of five concert that i always try and like you you tried to find bootlegs of it and stuff yeah yeah and just i can't believe it actually had it was like they played the palace because that's where

we were shooting the episode and you were in the episode i was in the episode right you're in the episode and you were thrilled when this happens and your favorite band and they shoot this concert at the Palace and it's sort of a warm up for their tour. Yeah. They spent the day shooting this one song. At My Most Beautiful Four that's going to be in the show. They played it over and over again. Right.

And then after they wrapped up filming, they played a mini set to warm up for their tour. Right. For whoever was around. It's like 10 or 12 songs or something like that? Yeah, it was an hour. Yeah, and you said you were an eyewitness. You said it was at the palace, which is a small place, but it wasn't even a quarter full?

Not even. It was crew and cast? It was cast and crew. And I read somewhere it said fan club members members but i don't really even remember that you were that rare person that straddled both of those cast and crew and fan club member um i remember i think it got up to about 100 maybe 150 people eventually but even that place it wasn't that many people. I feel like if only you had had the foresight to in between songs, just shout,

Adam Scott! Yeah, then we could. So that would be on the recording now. They did put out the version of Day Sleeper from that show, and I did listen to it, seeing if I could hear myself going nuts in between.

Much like on the Dennis Miller show, watching... Yeah! Someone found that, right? Yeah. All right. Well, got to go. Bye.

Bye. Bye. Bye. Waiting for the song to start. Bye. Wow. That was excellent. Lots going on,

man, with all of our shows. Busy. This, we haven't even gotten to the fucking Bruce Springsteen show yet. A lot of fucking upkeep on this show.

Yeah. Housekeeping. And we haven't even gotten into the the original show which we'll do on a future uh future show i would imagine because there's a little bit of news coming out of that camp um all right but we have to take a break wait which camp oh yeah jesus we'll talk about later yeah okay because we gotta get back to bruce bro bro um we have to take a break before bruce we'll be right back with more you spring and spring scene on my bean my bean my bean my bean my bean springing on my bean springing on my bean um what's up dude should we get uh into the album or did you want to uh chit chat about our bruce boy this is a long album i'm just what

would we chit chat about? I don't know. I mean, yes, he hasn't. He hasn't contacted us. Now it's a little dispiriting, to be honest. I think now he's sending a message. Obviously, he's obviously heard that we're doing this show. He's listened to the to the show. If there was a podcast about either of us, you me we would know about it i'd be on that like white on rice like a fly on all of my turds yeah on every single one of your turds

but um so he's heard about it at this point it's kind of like he knows our demands yeah but we've always said whenever bruce wants to do this interview, that'll be the next episode. That's it. So he has not said yes yet. So unfortunately, we have to talk about the river. That's right. It sucks. And we're sorry. But not the river.

The river doesn't suck. Oh, it's fine. But the fact that we have to talk. The fact that we have to talk about instead of chit-chatting with the boss. The boss. Is unfortunate. talk about instead of chit-chatting with the boss the boss is unfortunate but um you know that's the way it happens when bodies start slapping from doing a wild thing um ew is that the lyric when bodies start slapping yeah oh that's the my favorite part of sex when the body sl slap against each other?

I mean, from Shakespeare making the beast with two backs to Tone Loke, that's what happens when bodies start slapping. Good lord. Talking about sex. Our poet laureates talk about sex. Who's... You got Shakespeare, then you got Tone Loke.

Yeah. Like. Who else? It's been 30 years. Who's next? I know. Everyone's just kind of waiting for that next. It was like, okay, Shakespeare, then 200 years goes by, Tone Loke comes around. Like, oh, finally.

Finally. And I think it was when Body Starts Slapping that kind of woke everyone up. And everyone was like, okay, this is the modern day Bard yeah then he stars in ace ventura and heat he has a pretty great role in heat um is he as transphobic and heat as as he is in real life no in uh ace ventura i don't remember him in ace ventura well he's a it seems like you don't remember him in Heat. Who is he in Heat? He's an informant for one of Al Pacino's CIs

hooks Al Pacino up with Tone Loke and he gives him a clue that Tom Sizemore's character says slick a lot. And he plays Tone Loke in it, right? He's like, hi, I'm Tone tone loke i'm forming on these people yeah he's like i'm a snitch this is my reputation i'm poet laureate and a total snitch

no i he plays some guy are you gonna be in heat too yes uh i read heat too i read that i have a cool up got it for christmas for me i haven't read it yet. Fucking awesome. I want to read it. I hope they do make that movie. You should be in it. Who would you be in it? Like some dumb asshole in the bank who gets shot in the head immediately. I would play Hank Azaria's character. If Hank isn't available.

Wait, who's Hank Azaria? Hank Azaria was having the affair with Ashley Judd. I think you need to see Heat again. I just saw it Hank Azaria? Hank Azaria was having the affair with Ashley Judd. I think you need to see Heat again. I just saw it. You did? Hank Azaria. I don't remember him in it. Look, I've gone on a whole journey

with Hank Azaria watching that shitty HBO show that he's in. Oh, right, right. With The Weeknd. I didn't. I missed that one. The Idol.

The Idol. So I've got Hank Azaria burned into the cortex of my brain. He's the best. He's in Heat and he's in, oh, he's in the scene where it's like, she's got a great ass. Great ass. And they trimmed out the line right after that in the new kind of the version you see now. They've kind of trimmed that scene a little bit it's weird

why yeah french connection style it wait this is an episode of ilo films oh most definitely hey everyone welcome to ilo films this is scott and this is scott we're talking about trim trimming movies trimming movies trimming movies editing as they call it yeah yeah yeah snip snip snip little snippers

it's it's a really one of the most underappreciated parts of movie making it's a tool it's a tool

much like the cavemen fashioned wheels out of rocks that's right with tiny sharper rocks that's right. With tiny, sharper rocks. That's right. Editors get in there and craft the movie. That's right.

Because a lot of movies are just, they don't have editing. I'm going to tell you something right now. Editing, the old snip snip, can be the director's best friend or worst enemy. Worst enemy. And an editor, when they finish a film, much like I finished the Between Two Ferns,

the movie starring Adam Scott. That's right. You turn it over to an editor and you say, Have a little go at Cutty Cutties. Yeah. And then, that's the traditional thing.

Hold on to your pants. It's a lot like saying martini in the second one. You have to say, have a little go at the cutty cutties. And the editor goes, ha, ha, ha. And if you don't say that, it's bad luck. And who knows what they'll do with it. Yeah.

They could throw it in the trash. That's right. What do they cut out, though, of heat? After he says, she's got a great ass. Great ass. He says, there's something about me but when you talking about a woman's ass i uh i can't contain myself or something like that and that is now gone it's either that or and you got your head all the way up it either one or both of those things i don't need to see they reduced that scene it's really weird

that the having seen it so many times it's weird for you it's a lot like this uh talking heads uh stop making sense the differences between the second edition and the third yes it is it's similar to that see what adam does with all of his media is he watches and listens to things over and over and over again and then on his 25th time goes, wait, is this different? There's also one line in a scene between Al Pacino and Diane Venora that's been trimmed out. One little like half a sentence. I don't, to be honest, I do not believe you.

I went on YouTube and there's like one other person that has a video with like four views that's like, um, this line was reduced. So pardon me for saying I am not going to take your word for it, but I just listened to Life During Wartime approximately 12 different times. So wait, are you denying that the new mix is different than the old mix? It's a completely different mix. Between second and third? Yes mix it's a completely different mix between second and third yes it's a new i don't know i haven't listened to it in the one example you gave me they were exactly the same exactly the same so pardon me for not doing more of a deep dive on this but i feel like i'm wasting my life well talking to you you should you should uh you

should dive in because it's super interesting what do it's very i have things to do it's very different all right bye bye wow well that got contentious it really did i don't know if there's going to be any more episodes of that or of this. Why are we talking about this? Talking about heat. Anyway, you should be in heat too. You want to be Hank Azaria? You want to like, is that character in the book?

But the thing is, now I am older than Hank Azaria was when they shot that movie. Yeah, so you got to be like one of these dumb assholes in the movie who's like 60 or 80 in the movie. Yeah. Like who would that be the movie goes back way back in the past then goes way into the future it's oh maybe you could be way in the future like a baby who was in the first one yes yes that's right because it goes 50 years in the future it goes into like the 27 yeah it goes like like. Into the, I'm sorry, the two sevens. Yeah, it's 2187 when- Oh, so it's 28. 28, yeah, 28. All right, let's talk about the river.

Yeah. We hate to do it, but we have to. This came out in 1-8. 1-8. Love it. October 17. So we're talking, I mean, we are two weeks away from the scariest holiday of all time. Do you think he did that intentionally because he wanted to scare people?

I think he wanted to get in there before the scares because he was worried that too many people would be saying, and you wouldn't be able to hear the record. Because we're talking about November 1st, November Day, right? Yeah, November Day. You wouldn't be able to hear the record. Because we're talking about November 1st, November Day, right? Yeah, November Day. Yeah. Maybe it's like the river has some spiritual spooky connotations.

That's what it's about. Well, a lot of people drown in rivers. That's true. Depends on the river. And the River Wild, the movie, Meryl Streep got kidnapped and was held hostage against her will by John C. Reilly. Okay, so it's a tie-in with the River Wild. Tie-in with the River Wild, certainly. Came out October 17th, 1980.

Recorded at the Power Station. We're back at the Power Station. Produced by the boss and john landau his producer manager and a little guy named little steven now how long had it been since uh the last record two years so darkness on the edge of town came out in june so a little over two years so he's still kind of taken his time here's what happened adam and you and and we talked a little bit before the show you don't know anything about this which is fascinating to me yeah not really um because you don't do any research and i have to do it all that's right um so they do darkness on the edge of town he records we talked about last episode records a ton of

songs and throws away most of them right because he wants everything to be perfect perfect and also this sort of wants it all to be thematically coherent an album so he throws away a bunch of songs so he goes well you know what i got all these songs i'm gonna put out a record in a year and he he's uh he in interviews he's saying like i took way too long in the last one we're gonna put out the next one right away yeah so with the songs that were left with the songs that were left over and they're gonna record a couple of new ones and stuff and um so he and you did not know this adam but he put together a one album version it was called the ties that bind and he sent it to mastering and it was going to be released for uh the holidays of 1979 and it was 10 10 songs and he got it together you recorded

a few more and put it together and sent it off to the record company everyone's like yes we got a new springsteen album so just real quick this was leftover songs from darkness on the edge of town there were there were a few songs from darkness that he had recorded that he was kind of like oh i'm gonna put these on the next thing i don't know whether any of those ended up making the 10 song version or the final river but he he that's what he was kind of thinking um so at the last second he pulled it and said, this doesn't feel like an album to me. Like they had pressed it, mastered it. I don't know that they had mastered it or sent out any different versions.

I think so. I think there were bootlegs of it. Wow. But he just pulled it at the last second and said, no, I got to do another pass on this because it doesn't feel right to me. It doesn't feel like the real record. It's not saying everything I want to say. So I got to pull it. And so then he went on a big, long odyssey of trying to finish this record, which ended up being now it's a double album

and 82 minutes and 58 seconds. Yeah, it's huge. Especially for then. Back then, double albums were... Double albums were maybe five minutes long in total. Yeah. But people didn't really put out double albums that... Like The Beatles and...

I don't know. The Beatles put out the White Album. beatles and i don't know the beatles put out the white album the white album nothing and albums didn't even come out for a long time no people after the white album people were like no no more i was like fuck even the beatles they were like no more wow so there are stuff on the single album that don't end up there are songs on the single that don't end up on the double album yeah so adam's taking a look at the track listing the single the single album version is very interesting because there are different versions of songs that end up on the river there are songs that don't end up on the river at all and then there are little tiny differences there are like verses lyrics that

are different in certain songs and i i've been looking for the i read when the reissue came out i read that hungry heart which had been um sped up a little for the the version that's on the river um i heard that this single disc version wasn't as sped up but i haven't confirmed that um so yeah this adam was taking a look at the reissue and saying like, why did they put out a single disc version of The River thinking it was just like a pared down version for the casual fan? No, it's a completely different record. That's so interesting. Have you listened to it front to back just to see what it's like? Yes.

So I think I understand what he means because here's the problem. So we listened to Darkness on the edge of town and it's a kind of a depressing record and a bunch of serious songs right yeah and um he really wanted to put out a record that here's the other problem everyone always said like hey love the records but you're way better live right i would rather listen to you live because the record doesn't capture the live sound. So he really wanted to capture like what it's like to see them. Right. And when you see the band, it's like this jubilant experience.

And Darkness is a great rock record, but I wouldn't say it's like an incredibly jubilant album. So, and he was writing, he wrote 90 songs for this record um he was doing it by himself on his cassette recorder at this new place that he that he bought um without the band which he was doing i think on darkness a little more they were working out arrangements together before they ever stepped in this one he was kind of like okay i'm gonna write all these and um then we're gonna get into the studio with the band right so uh he writes 90 songs and he feels like okay i'm gonna whittle it down he talks about how when he when he writes an album, he doesn't write it like, okay, I'm going to write 10 songs and that's it. He has to whittle it down from a big thing and figure out what the album is.

So when you listen to the single disc album, it's got the songs like Hungry Heart on it, but Hungry Heart feels slight. And then the slower songs feel like they don't belong yeah it just feels it's like a 40 minute it's a weird mix of like super heavy and fluffy super heavy and fluffy which on the double disc version works fine because you have so much time 82 minutes you're going between various different emotions all the time right but on the single disc version it's just weird because it's like party song party song party song slow slow slow and then he was writing what he said were these really important songs which were uh the river independence day point blank wreck on the highway songs like that which he felt were very very important but they're all

super slow and he's like you can't put all of those on one single disc album because it's too slow right but i wanted to put out all those records he wanted to have room for each yeah kind of type of song yeah so john lando says to him at a certain point why don't you just put out a double record and he hadn't pulled the album thinking that. He pulled it thinking he was going to put out a single record. But once that idea got in his head, he was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Let's do that.

And so what comes out then is an album with 20 songs. And they all are like, there's a bunch of like party songs there are songs that are just like dumb joke songs and then these incredibly serious songs as well but there's so much space on the record that it doesn't feel like whiplash and then it's interesting that he ends up changing the name of the album to The River, even though The River was on the original Ties That Bind album. But The River does feel like a much more of an anchor than The Ties That Bind, as far as a song goes. So The Ties That Bind, I watched the documentary that they included. And what's interesting about this documentary, as opposed to other ones on the Born to run and darkness reissue is is there's almost no studio uh stuff

like like they weren't allowed in cameras so it's it's a lot of just springsteen modern day springsteen talking about what he was thinking right and so i'm sort of extrapolating what i what i think and what i've read about so springsteen he goes to uh one of his band members wedding um and uh something that the officiant says gets in his head which was i'm paraphrasing i read it somewhere but it's a it's it's the officiant said something to the effect of, um, now that they are together, their story can start. Now they can start creating a life. Right. And this hits home with him because he alludes to it, but I think he's got a weird dating history, which has not worked out at the time.

And he's, he's feeling depressed about the fact that he doesn't have a relationship. And so I think the ties that bind is him trying to write about relationships. He wants to do a record about relationships and what he's turning 30. That's the other thing that's happening is he feels like he's getting old. He's not married yet. he doesn't even have anything

close to it and so this is a record the original version was him trying to like figure this out and figure out relationships and so that's what the ties that bind is all about is him talking about the ties that bind us all together he There's a really interesting quote in the documentary where he says, he's talking about an artistic life. And he says, you know, an artistic life where you're creating, you're creating stories. That's not a life. A story is not a life.

A story is just a story. And he felt like he didn't have a life yet he didn't he he was not creating he was creating these things for other people but he didn't have a story of his own and so i think this record is him trying to figure that out with songs like um two hearts i think is a really important one where he's talking about how two hearts are better than one. But he's also trying to then write about these characters that he wrote about in Darkness and where they're at now. There's some really sad songs. And also, as far as the sound goes,

I feel like this is more of a turning point than darkness was like this is really we're really turning toward. And then especially Nebraska, this kind of with Nebraska really gets them ready for born in the USA and really perfecting the sound and these themes so they talk about how um you know in the in the darkness sessions they were they spent days if not weeks on the drum sound and they couldn't figure it out and they want the record they they feel they still feel darkness feels like an antiseptic record to them and music generally in the 70s doesn't feel live and alive to bruce springsteen so they go into the power station um and they say within 20 minutes they got the snare sound they wanted and they were just like oh okay yeah perfect and it sounds loud and yeah and a lot of the songs start with drums yeah yeah and so what they wanted to do with this record is they wanted to

have it sound more like the actual live experience and have it be messy and raw yeah and with a 82 minute album you could do that a little more and vary it and have songs that are just like weird additions that are loud party songs yeah mixed with these really intense ballads and it doesn't feel weird. Yeah. So that's what we're looking at. We're looking at a 82 minute double album, 20 songs. And, um, I think we should take a break and listen to it.

Yeah, let's do it. All right. We're going to be right back. When we come back, we'll have the songs from the river. We'll be right back with more. Are you spring and spring scene on my bean bye

welcome back Welcome back. That's one of the only Springsteen songs to have a Z in it, I believe. Rendezvous. You can't even hear it when you say the word rendezvous. Key, not just him though, the entire E Street band, they don't love the letter Z. In fact, they were never on Sesame Street because of that. It's a huge controversy. Everyone was saying like, look, you're the E Street band.

We need you to come on Sesame Street and talk about Zs. Yeah. Everyone will be expecting it because Z rhymes with E. Listen, we'll come on Sesame Street. We'll talk about E all day long. All day long. Long as you want. No one wanted that.

But we're not talking about z i don't know how many times we have to tell you so it's a big controversy and i remember um clarence clemens like punched ernie yeah but um punched his lights out yeah it was crazy um all right so we're talking about the river this is a long record um let's get into it um this is the first song on we're going to talk about it in sides because i think it really makes sense as four sides of a record this is the first song on side one this is the ties the bind by bruce springsteen you hear that snare smack yeah man guitar solo You cried out your say You walked down the street Pushing people out of your way You packed your bags

And all you want right You don't want nothing Don't need no one by your side You're walking tough, baby But you're walking blind To the ties that bind The ties that bind Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah The ties that bind Now you can't break

The ties that bind A cheap old master says Oh, just, just a curse You don't want nothing that anybody can't touch You're so afraid of being somebody's fool Not walking tough, baby, not a walking fool You walk cool, but darling, can you walk the line?

Face the times that pass The times that pass Now you can't wait Ties that bind. Now you can't wait. Ties that bind. Ties that bind. So good. Little bridge action.

You can listen to that on your own. It does feel like alive and like it's actually like occurring it's not yeah recorded separately the gunshot snare sound was very important to them um and yeah it's got that jangle pop 60s kind of sound you know to it um great chorus now when you say gunshot snare what do you mean they fire a gun at the drum set okay every single time they want a snare sound okay so and this has kept the you know uh gun industry the weapons industry in business essentially for years and years because that's one thing bruce insists on is you know he's occasionally it's just a pistol then he graduated you know to you know an ak-47 at one point um if it's got to be a really fast song you know so yeah cool it's pretty cool

guns are cool um good start to the album yeah i love it i love that song the track on the single disc version it's a little buried right it's uh no it's it opens it oh it opens it oh very cool i think it's a different vocal take really because it says it doesn't say version one on here no i think i think in the difference at least in the original original version that springsteen sent off i don't know whether it's different on the reissue is he redid the vocal with a better better performance they say um but yeah very very good song definitely not like born to run uh where it's like the ultimate song it's just like a great jam it's like a tom petty song in a way that's right you know it's just a great jangle pop song that's right um okay so track two on side one is a song called sherry

darling and this is like a big sort of um 60s frat rock kind of song that i believe would have been left off the first is it on the first version yeah it's just like because it's kind of a a toss off just fun rock and roll song that they felt like they didn't have? No, it's not. Yeah, it's just like, because it's kind of a toss-off, just fun rock and roll song that they felt like they didn't have room for, but it's track two on this. Let's hear it. Sherry Darling.

Sherry Darling. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Well this morning I ended back until I give up Tell her she wins and she just should've But it's the last time that she's gonna be riding with me And you can tell her there's a hot sun beating on a blacktop She keeps talking she'll be walking that last block And she can take us subway back to the ghetto tonight. Well, I got some beer and a high-waist ring. And I got you, baby, you got me. Hey, hey, hey.

What do you say? Share it all. So yeah, he never would have put a song like this on a record before because it's just too slight and it's too fun. And that's what's so great about it on the river is like, it's fun. And it's a really good melody. And when he plays it live, it's so much fun to sing along to. And that's one of the things, not to sum up this album too early,

but that's what I love about this album is just it's him having fun kind of for the first time and with just really fun pop songs. Yeah, that's what I've always loved about The River is that it has room for that. But it has kind of all of it. It kind of feels like almost the greatest hit. But at the same time, it's pushing the sound and the songwriting forward. I think it's a new kind of high for him. The only things as we go through it,

the things that I don't connect to or love as much is a lot of the kind of reaching back into the 50s a little more directly. You mean the one five? No, the one. Yeah, the one fives. One fives. So yeah, it was a real mission statement of like,

hey, this is track two. We're having fun on this record. Sometimes, you know, because it'll get serious later. But very, very cool to have that so early in the record and just sets a great tone. All right, this is track three on side one. This is Jackson Cage. More drums immediately.

Sounds so good. Driving home, she left something to eat Turns her corner and drives down a street Until her old house in the sea just melts away Like the scenery in another man's bed Until I asked her if the blinds are closed She couldn't say a thing, she'd ought to know She pulls the blinds to look down the street The cooler the night takes the edge off the hill

Jackson Caves Down in the Jackson Caves You can try with all your might But you're reminded every night That you've been judged down in the jackson cage this one kind of reminds me of like previous bruce springsteen songs in a way not in so it's not as trashy and fun as the previous two songs right but but a great upbeat rock song also i just love that max

weinberg is in this band now and also kind of spreading his wings a little bit those fills are just him we'll talk a little bit in a future song about would he remain in the band interesting um so jackson cage good yeah Interesting. So Jackson Cage, good. Yeah. Okay, so then this is track four on side one. This is, we talked about it a little bit before. This is Two Hearts, and I found that quote when he was, his lighting director, Mark Brickman, was getting married, and the rabbi told everyone that getting married

was the first step toward making dreams and hopes a reality. And that just stuck with with Bruce was like, oh, that's what I want. Is this a last song on side one? No, this is the fourth song on side one.

Uh, there's still one more after that. Okay. This is two hearts. Listen to that drum. I went out walking the other day I seen a little girl crying along the way She felt so bad, said she'd never love again Someday her'll cry and grow old

And you'll find this again Two hearts are better than one Two hearts could get the job done Two hearts are better than one Once I spent my time playing tough guy scenes I was living in a world of childish dreams Someday these childish dreams must end To become a man and grow up to dream again

Believe me To become a man and grow up to dream again. Believe me. Two hearts are better than one. Two hearts go to each other. Two hearts are better than one. So good. Great songs. Great melody.

I mean, he was writing just hits at this point. But it is interesting. If that was four songs into an only 10-song record, you'd be kind of like, okay, it's just going to be. It's just this. It's just like a 1964 Beatles record. Is that all it is? But it doesn't feel, to me, at least yet, just this it's just like a like a 1964 beatles record is that all it is you know but uh but it doesn't feel to me at least yet it doesn't feel like it's hearkening back or it's a pastiche or

anything no no he's definitely trying to take the 60s and 50s sounds that he loved and recontextualizing yeah um sounds so good sounds so good so So then this is the last song on side one, and this is Independence Day, and this is where you start to see the record kind of shift, open up a little bit, and become a little more than that. This is Independence Day. guitar solo Well, Papa, go to bed now It's getting late

Nothing we can say is gonna change anything now i believe even in the morning from saint mary's gate we wouldn't change this thing even if we could somehow because the darkness of this house has got the best of us There's a darkness in this town that's got us too But they can't touch me now And you can't touch me now They ain't gonna do to me what I watch them do to you So say goodbye

It's Independence Day It's Independence Day All down the line Just say goodbye It's Independence Day It's Independence Day It's Independence Day. It's Independence Day.

It's time. I don't know what I want. This is a song about fathers and sons. Kind of maybe taking place after an argument that a father and son have in the evening. And the son is saying, all right, let's go to bed. There's nothing we're going to do to change each other's minds.

And in the independence day is to my reading about when a child leaves the house and sort of becomes their own person. You said, Hmm. Hmm. I didn, hmm. Hmm. Interesting. I didn't know that happened. Do you still live with your parents?

Yeah. Children leave houses? Yeah, even to go to school. Kids leave to go to school? They leave the house? They leave the... So you never went to... You were homeschooled?

What school? Yeah. the house they leave the so you never went to you were homeschooled what school um yeah i also uh like it very much i i feel like it's i feel like something really clicked and i kind of again i feel like this is like queuing up and teeing up um born the usa and the fact that those songs have a lot of these same elements except they they really figure out the pop element and get it out to everybody and it i i think this song also works because it's like oh okay that's the end of side one and you're like you've had four great incredible rock songs in a row and then a nice slow one it's like okay let's turn it over and um it it definitely doesn't feel slight anymore you know um this is one of the important songs that he was he was writing that he really wanted

to put on here um i believe he wrote it for darkness and then re-recorded it for the river. I believe that. Um, okay. So then you flip this, you flip the record over and this is track one of side two, and this is the big hit single. This is hungry heart by Bruce Springsteen. Got a wife and kids in Baltimore Jack I went out for a ride and I never went back

Like a river that don't know where it's flown I took a wrong turn and I just kept going Everybody's got a hungry heart Everybody's got a hungry heart Lay down your money and you play your part Everybody's got a hungry, hungry heart So big hit single. His first hit single. Yeah, his first like top ten, right?

And I, you know, I grew up kind of hearing the song on, oh, by the way, the backups are Flo and Eddie from the Turtles. Is that who's singing back up there? Wow. Along with Lil Steven. So cool. But I had always just kind of heard that song on the radio and assumed he was born in the USA.

Yeah. Because it sounds, this is like the most commercial he's ever sounded. So it's the most akin to born in the USA, I think, out of anything he did. This is sped up so this is they sped it up as far as they could if they sped it up even a smidge more they said it's he sounds like mickey mouse but they sped it up as as much as they could you mean when they played it live even the tempo was no so they they played it yeah and did and did the take that they liked. And then the producer, they would do this on records a lot,

just slightly speed it up because it just gives it more energy. They would do this on Smith songs occasionally and stuff like that. It just gives everything a little boost of energy. But you can't, to the ear, you can't tell that it's been... They experimented with it and did it even just a touch faster, and he sounds like Mickey Mouse. And I guess Springsteen hated it at the time. And then a year goes by, and he's like,

this is feeling too slow. So they went back to the sped-up version, which I think the producer calls it one of the most important things he did on the record. Huh. And they also, they give Roy Bitten, I think Bruce Springsteen on the documentary was saying like, hey, do

an organ solo, and he just comes up with this perfect organ solo. Is the version on Ties That Bind, is that one slower? So again, I haven't gotten confirmation in. I haven't done the true. We can listen to it.

Yeah, let's see. Let's do a little detective work here. I feel like we're kind of stepping on the toes of our sister show, you talking heads to my talking head, where we're listening to two different versions of something. But I will do it i think overwhelmingly people will have had so much fun with that they're gonna want the same experience okay here we go so you you heard how that that first one sounded here's yeah it's a little slower. It is.

Weird. Yeah, it feels a little plotting, doesn't it? It does. Especially just knowing this is the real version. Yeah. Oh, my God. How bizarre. How bizarre, how bizarre is OMC? Perhaps the spiritual successors to bruce springsteen his voice doesn't sound weird but it's definitely faster yeah there are certain songs that um

he would record and people would go like i don't know it's boring so they would take it up a key to where it's at the top of his range. And he's like, fuck, that's high. And people are like, well, that's where you have to sing it. So it just makes everything sound a little more exciting. Key. Okay, whatever you say. Okay, so that's the hit single.

What does that go all the way up to? It goes all the way up to, on the Billboard Hot 100, number five. Big hit. Big hit. And also Springsteen, he was like, in the documentary, he says the fact that it was a double album meant that you could go for a big hit. a big hit you know like if he had to make a statement with just 40 minutes this by the way is before cds you could only do up to 44 minutes on 22 minutes aside right so all these problems wouldn't be problems if suddenly you had 80 minutes on a cd to work with right and and you're doing what everyone does nowadays which is like oh it's a 55 minute album or whatever. Just make albums that are way too long. Yeah, exactly.

Like he was just like, we wouldn't have had room for a big hit single. It would have felt weird to have a big hit single if I'm trying to do all these other stuff. Although Hungry Heart is on the single. It is on the first version, but I think he felt weird about it. Like it didn't belong there, you know? Okay, so this is track two on side two. This is Out in the Street. I think he felt weird about it. Like it didn't belong there, you know? Um, okay. So this is track two on side two. This is out in the street.

Put on your best dress, baby And I'll inflix your hair up right Cause there's a party, honey Way down beneath the neon lights all day You've been working that hard line Now tonight, you're gonna have a good time I work five days a week, girl Loading crates down on the dock I take my hard-earned money

And leave my girl down on the block Monday when the phone man calls time I've already got Friday all night long I'm out of my mind. Adam we've come to that time this is my favorite Bruce Springsteen song is it really? oh wow I think so

it's definitely the one I enjoy listening to the most live. This is like a euphoric moment in the live show for me to sing along with the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so fun. I don't know. I feel like... I love this part too. I don't know.

I feel like it's my favorite. I love this part, too. Yeah, it's really terrific. I mean, it's a great song. One thing I forgot to mention about Hungry Heart is, so Springsteen goes to see the Ramones, and he goes backstage, and Joey Ramone is like, hey hey man uh write a song for us and so he writes hungry heart for the ramones and um john lando's like please don't give yeah don't give that to the ramones you see what you see what's happened with you know uh patty smith and the pointer

sisters have had these major hits he's like please, please don't do this. Did he ever give them a song? So he wrote then a different song for them that he kept too. Really? He never ended up doing it. I would imagine they covered Hungry Heart at some point, didn't they?

I don't think so. And I feel like it would be weird anyway to me. For them. For the Ramones. They can write their own songs. So is this your favorite Springsteen album? i don't want to say

this until we get uh to the end towards the end okay um but i i just love out on the street and and i don't think that i i even really clocked it until the river tour and it just sounded so good on the river tour i was just like like, oh. So you saw this tour? Yes, yes. Oh, how fun. I mean, not the original river tour. Right, right. The one where he redid it. Okay, so this is the third track on side two.

This is Crush On You. I'll be some fly down the street just the other night When I'm on the car, space and pull up at night What will inside my house just a bag of feet Want to hold a bottle and let it drink bumble I let her drink But now I see Ooh, ooh, I got a crush on you Ooh, ooh, I got a crush on you Ooh, ooh, I got a crush on you Tonight

Sometimes I find a little stranger Standing across the room My pain takes all the care just to get my arm around A working star and I swear, ever better I will feel Cause he's a walking, talking, reason to live Ooh, ooh, I gotta push on you Ooh, ooh, I gotta push on you Ooh, ooh, I got a brush on you tonight.

All right! All right! So Bruce has said that the band firmly believes this is the worst song they've ever put on record. Really? I think in a joking way he's saying that because it's just so basic and fun. I like it. Yeah, I like it too.

I like it yeah I like it too I wouldn't say it's like an incredible melody because he's just kind of shouting no but it's fun but that's why doing a double record you can put stuff like that on it

it's great I think okay this is track four of side two this is you can look but Adam you better not touch what track four of side two. This is You Can Look, but Adam, you better not touch. What? Well, it's the day I went shopping, buddy

Got to the mall looking for something pretty I can hang on the wall I knocked over a lamp before Hit the floor and caught it The salesman turned around and said, Boy, you break that thing you bought You get loved, but you better not touch, boy You get loved, but you better not touch

Mess around, you'll end up in dust, boy You get loved, but you better not touch Mess around, you'll end up in dust Boy, you can love, but you better not Oh no, you better not, oh no, you better not Well, I came home from work and I switched on Channel 5 Was a pretty little girl, it looked straight through my eyes Well, I watched as she wiggled back and forth across the street She didn't get me excited, she just made meer. Yeah.

Love it. Now on the single disc version, it's a little more rockabilly. Do you want to hear how that sounds? Yeah. I mean, it's a way better version. The version that's... That's on the double? That's on the double. Yeah, I don't like this very much.

Not my fave. Yeah. So they perfected it for the double version. That's a, yeah, it's a great song, great live. Yeah, I enjoy it. Yeah. Okay, so this is track five on side two. This is I Wanna Marry You. I see you walking, baby, down the street

Pushing that baby carriage at your feet I see that lonely ribbon in your hair Tell me, am I the man for whom you put it there? You never smile, girl, you never speak You just walk on by, thought one week after week Raising two kids alone And this mixed up world must be a lonely life for a good girl Little girl, I wanna marry you, oh yeah Little girl, I wanna marry you, yes I do

Little girl, I want to know you. Now, honey, I don't want to clip your wings, but the time comes when two people should think of these things. Having a home and a family, facing two responsibilities. So he talks about how he wrote this sort of in a daydream, as he says, where you see someone on the street and you sort of imagine, what if we were together? And you imagine a whole life with that person and kids in sort of an instant. And he says it's not a real life it's a consequence free life but you got to start somewhere and so he wrote this song about it

nice i think it's just yeah it's not my fave it's not my fave in terms of like if it were a single disc i'd say jettison but um i can also see it as something that someone else could cover and have a huge hit with, you know, like you and I. Yeah, we should. Let's do it. Do we need to take singing lessons? No, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to Springsteen take singing lessons. Fuck.

No, exactly. Okay. This is the last song on side two. This is The River. What? I come from down in the valley Where mister when you're young They bring you up to do Like your daddy Don

Me and Mary we met in high school When she was just 17 We'd drive out of this valley Down to where The fields were green We'd go down to the river And into the river we dive. Oh, down to the river we drive.

Then I got Mary pregnant. And man, that was all she wrote And for my 19th birthday I got a union card and a wedding coat We went down to the courthouse And the judge put it all to rest No wedding day smiles, no walk down the aisle, no flowers, no wedding dress. That night we went down to the river, and into the river we died.

Oh, down to the river we did ride the river incredible this is on a lot of his greatest hits. Yeah. Although it wasn't a hit. It was a single, technically. It was? It was the fifth single, but only in the UK and parts of Europe, I guess. But, I mean, this is a very important song to him. This is a very important song to him.

This sounds like a more produced version of what would be on Nebraska. Yes. This is one of those songs that he wrote a little later. I know this is on the single disc version. I think there's new overdubs on this version, and then the coda is also not on the single disc version. Overdubs on this version, and then the coda is also not on the single disc version. But all about someone who's too young to get married, but sort of does. This is one of his guy on a bar stool talking to a bartender kind of songs.

That he's so, so good at. Which Hungry Heart is one where he's like, you know, it's such a fun pop song. It belies the fact that this is a guy complaining about his life. But it's also this really strong narrative and like kind of traditional storytelling that he, you know, is so good at and gets more into with the next album too. So good. the next album too yeah so good so and uh you know so he's done two sides of the record where it's like fun party songs yeah and then ending with these like serious songs and it sounds great it sounds good it's like but but if it was just this it wouldn't be it'd still be a little unsatisfying you'd be like i feel like this first this first record is like a perfect album yeah every song is a banger yeah um adam we don't have time i think we should split this up in between two episodes two apps i think we should do we

should do another up on the second record and we can also then hear some of the stuff they cut maybe but yeah that's a good idea but i think that's a good idea so um all in all this first disc which is approximately 40 minutes 40 minutes or so maybe 42 perfect i think amazing um and we'll see what the second disc has in store for us um when we do the next episode. But that's going to be it for us for this one. Adam, it's been great hanging out with you. Absolutely.

We'll see you next time. And until then, we hope that you found what you've been looking for. Bye. Bye. Bye. bye