U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - U Talkin' Talking Heads 2 My Talking Head? - 1981-1982

Episode Date: September 9, 2020

On a special episode, Scott and Scott delve into the solo albums Talking Heads members made in 1981. They’ll talk about the albums “My Life in the Bush of Ghosts,” “The Red and the Black,” ���The Catherine Wheel,” “Tom Tom Club,” as well as the 1982 live album “The Name of This Band Is Talking Heads.” Plus, the Scotts talk about The Dukes of Hazzard, Yoda, and aspect ratios in film.

From E to Zimbra, this is... Are you talking talking heads to my talking head? The comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things talking heads. This is good. Good, good. Rock and roll music. Welcome to the show. That fade out gets me every time.

It's a bit of a... It's a steep cliff. A cutoff there. It's a Thelma and Louise-ish cliff. I'm a fan of it. Welcome to the show. Of Thelma and Louise? Yeah.

No, of that cutoff. Oh, okay. Thelma and Louise. Yeah. What about those cutoffs on Jessica Simpson in the These Boots Are Made For Walking video? Or the Dukes of Hazzard movie. Come on. Well, I mean, they're the same cutoffs, so I guess we're talking about the same thing.

Because she sang that song for the Dukes of Hazzard. Wait, this is an episode of I Love Films instead. Absolutely. Hey, everyone. Welcome to I Love Films, this is Scott. And this is Scott. And we are talking about films today, not movies. Films.

Films like The Dukes. Of what? Of William Shakespeare? No, Hazard. That's right. Sorry, is it called The the duke of hazard i don't think so uh no we're talking about more than one duke my friend and these dukes live in hazard county oh do they ever those guys you want to you want to look up the word mischief in the dictionary guess what two pictures you see you probably see pictures of us pointing at our dvds of the dukes of hazard and 100 pointing with one hand and then thumbs up

with the other hand i guess pointing with a thumbs up on on the right hand as well well you have to hold the dvds with one of the hands so yeah that's true although i might get someone to hold it for me you might give one of these, which is sort of a point and a thumbs up at the same time. So you're holding... Well, see, it's hard to hold something. I will tell you, with opposable thumbs, it is really hard to hold something,

unless you're a close-up magician, without using that thumb. So it's hard to hold and give a thumbs up at the same time. It sure is. You could slip it in between the middle finger, which is, of course, the fuck finger. And what do you call the one in between the middle and the pinky? What would you call that finger? I know they all have names.

The booger shooter. The booger shooter. So between the fuck finger and the booger shooter you could slip a dvd in there hold up your thumb with your thumb and then point at it with your pointy so you can give one of these this is and what we want for all you i love film aficionados is for you to take your pictures of you holding your dukes of hazard paraphernalia exactly the way we've described hashtag them i love films and send them to us on twitter and we will retweet any that we also there's also just the the plain truth of it that you look up mischief in the dictionary

you're gonna see a picture of the two of us the two of us holding uh dukes of hazard blu-rays because this is i love films true but i just have the dvd so i might just end up holding up that and it's it doesn't have the case anymore so i might just hold up the dvd itself oh that's fine which i know scratches the back but i mean to be honest it's not that great of a movie so with the dukes the duke boys dem duke boys i think it's not a great movie yeah it's not that great of a movie so with the dukes the duke boys dem duke boys i think it's not a great movie yeah it's not you gotta admit that it's not all that good i mean it's not like a film i never saw it all right we'll see you next time bye bye Good F. Send us those pics. Yeah, we gotta see them Duke's pics.

Gotta see them Duke pics. Gotta see them Dukes. But yes, welcome to the show. This is what I rushed through getting my son ready. To do. Making sure he had gloves and a mask and all of that stuff. Maybe forgetting one or the other for this. That's right.

He is playing, we're recording this right before Halloween, and he's Michael Jackson for Halloween, right? So he's wearing the gloves and the mask. That's right. The glove and the mask, we should say. Well, I give him two left-handed gloves or right-handed gloves, just in case. Of course. Welcome to the show.

You talking talking heads to my Talking Head. And this is a very special episode where we are delving into the albums that Talking Heads made after Remain in Light. All of them solo records that they put out in 1981. A fruitful year for the Heads. Four records they put out in 1981, a fruitful year for the Heads. Four records they put out in 1981, so we'll be talking about all of them. We may even talk about the name of this band, Is Talking Heads, the live album they put out in 1982. And you are not going to want to miss the climactic... It's not even a conclusion to their story because it goes on to even greater heights later but this is definitely a chapter

yeah and i this is of a definite saga no definitely i mean it's not part of the skywalker saga necessarily although we could tie it in we could tie it good. We could tie it in. We could. We could. I mean, look, Star Wars was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. But you got to think that with all their spaceships and their hyper drives and going into outer space, you know how the characters in Star Wars are always like, let's go into outer space today. Yeah, every single. Chewie, would you like to go into outer space today yeah every single chewy would you like to go into outer space they say that every day yeah that's my chewy impression by the way what do you think of it yeah that's that sounds like solid chewbacca from star wars yeah but you have to presume Yeah, let's hear it. Yes. Ah. Hmm.

Hmm. Hmm. Yes. Yes, I said. Yes. The way Yoda says everything he says, like technically everything he says is supposed to be really wise but the way he says it makes him sound so stupid like everyone says he's a wise wise creature but he really just sounds dumb he's like he's he's he's like the anthony kidis of star wars well maybe then he should just exclude yoda should just exclusively do Anthony Kiedis lyrics. Just red hot chili peppers lyrics for Yoda?

Yeah, red hot chili pepper. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Is this an episode of Are You Talking RHCP, Remy? Yes. from aerosmith to the zephyr song this This is Are You Talking RHCP or EME? The comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things Red Hot Chili Peppers. This is good rock, punk, funk, funky music, funky donkey music. Donkey! Funky! Funky Donkey! Funky Donkey! Welcome back. On our last episode, we were just about to talk about the Uplift mofo party plan.

But before we get to that, Adam, before the show, we were talking about the Red Hot Chili Peppers and how great their lyrics sound coming from the mouth of that curious Jedi master from Dagobah, Master Yoda. You know what I've always liked about Yoda, and this is just off the record. Sure, yeah, yeah. This is on deep background. Deep, deep background. His ears. They're funny. They're funny. They're pointed. They come out the sides wait wait wait you might be

thinking of shrek are they are you thinking of the ones they look like little trumpets yeah little little like and he says things like donkey funky that's right he's yoda's hilarious that's right that's right i know it's right i's Shrek. I'm not sure how you hear that's right when I say that's Shrek. They don't sound anything alike. What is that? What's Shrek? Shrek is this, I guess he's an ogre who wanted to be left alone in the mud where he was happy. And then suddenly all these fairy tale creatures started encroaching upon his land. Oh, you mean Shrek 4? The movie Shrek 4?

Yeah, I mean, Shrek isn't Shrek 4, if that's what you're asking. Shrek 4 starred in Shrek 4. Is that what you're asking? Shrek isn't Shrek 4. Well, I thought his name was Shrek 4. I saw the movie Shrek 4. He's not like Andre 3000.

He doesn't have like a number after his name. I just figured his name was shrek and his last name was four so you thought it was like andre 3000 where his name was yes four yes why are there other shrek movies other there are other there's shrek uh there's uh i'm assuming shrek 2 and i think shrek 3 happily Happily Ever After, if I had to guess. Oh, my God. I've got to see. I've got three movies to watch.

You certainly do. And then there's all these cartoons, and then there's the spinoff, Puss in Boots. Jesus Christ. Which I worked on for several years before I left. That sounds fun. Yeah, it was so fun. But what we're talking about is Yoda, who's from the Star Wars universe. And he talks instead of donkey.

He sounds like this donkey. Ah, OK. So I'm thinking of just Shrek one, just regular Shrek. He's not Shrek one. He's Shrek. He's he's not just regular Shrek. He's OK. So that's what I'm thinking of.

It's just Shrek. Shrek. Shrek. Shrek. He's not just regular Shrek. Okay, so that's what I'm thinking of. It's just Shrek. Shrek. Shrek. Shrek. And he's the one that's in Star Wars that says all the red actually pepper stuff. No, no, no, no, no. You're thinking of Yoda.

Yoda is the guy who says everything and it sounds like an Anthony Kiedis lyric. They sound alike. And this Adam, this is my- Wait, I thought that was Shrek 4, though. No, that's not Shrek 4. That's not Shrek 1. That's not Shrek Shrek.

It's Yoda. He sounds like Anthony Kiedis. And this is my point, okay? Yoda was thousands and thousands of years old. You can't, you're not telling me he didn't hop on a little old spaceship. He didn't just jump in an X-Wing or a Y-Wing, head through warp speed and go over to Earth and, you know, fucked a cavewoman.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So you're trying to tell me Yoda doesn't have something to do with Anthony Kiedis? That's what I'm trying to say. They are so similar. He's short. Yoda's short. They are so similar.

He's short. Yoda's short. You're not telling me that Yoda didn't fuck a cave woman and the end result is Anthony Kiedis thousands of years later. Everyone knows that. Now who's being naive? Of course. Thank you. Universally speaking.

All right. Sex rap lyrics. Oh, I guess I have to be more specific and put in red hot chili peppers because a lot of weird stuff came up. Oh, boy. Is that the name of a song? Sex rap? Yeah, we talked about it on a previous episode. Here we go. Alright, this is Yoda doing the lyrics to

sex rap. Swing a little melody, time is. Make you all feel something sexually to be we're going to get it on in the groove now we are okay i'm abandoning this i'm not enjoying it. Okay. Well, let me try one more. You got one in the chamber? What do you got? Getting born in the state

of Mississippi. Copper was her papa. Hippie her mama was. She could swing a hammer in alabama she did price you gotta pay when you break the panorama okay again this is exhausting you start to get into pewy herman at the end panorama oh um so you know if you're a loyal uh uh listener out there uh someone akin

to a frank polosky uh please uh put put those underneath footage from any of the star wars films just to entertain us please oh boy oh boy oh wait i never realized on sex rap check out these highlighted lyrics oh no yeah don't i'm not i'm not even gonna attempt yoda would never say anything like this no and yoda traditionally keeps it clean am i right like it would be really great to watch a star wars movie and just you know how you're allowed in a pg-13 movie to have one fuck it just can't be it can't be about fucking it can't be a sexual reference it could it just has to be an expletive yeah to just have him be like fucking situation this is fucked up or he drops his cane and he's like fuck and then bends over really slowly to pick it up and then he goes as he comes back up

you know as betrayed as i felt watching yoda dance around in the prequels with his lightsaber. Remember when like. Was he dancing or was he fighting? Well, he was like ricocheting around a room super fast, kicking the ass of like a seven foot tall Jedi. Right. And I remember just feeling like they're pornographically exploiting the idea of Yoda. Like, this is so lame. Right.

I would feel the opposite if he dropped his cane and said, fuck. That would redeem it for you. Yes. And what about Jar Jar Binks? Great. Love Jar Jar Binks. Yeah. Obviously the only good part of it all of

the prequels that's right um just a a bullseye what if he said Mesa fucking horny see if he did that I I like I already love that character I feel like I would love it even more yeah um great great character great performance great character, great performance, great character, great idea. I wonder if he's fusion of an idea. Do you think he's still alive? You know how Yoda was alive for thousands and thousands of years.

And when they say star Wars was a long time ago, um, how long do you think they're talking? They're probably talking like, like three years before Jesus was born. Maybe i'm thinking no no no i don't think it was that long ago i think when oh they say a long time ago like 1957 no i think it was like three four years ago shit really yeah because it was it's it's you see in the like in the in the new ones in the jj abrams Abrams ones, you see iPhones and shit.

And iPhones have been around since 2009. I think it is hilarious how many movies these days have coffee cups and Starbucks cups. And Little Women has a water bottle in it. It did? Yes. And Game of Thrones had so many of them. And it's just really funny to me that it's, I mean, when you're making a movie, it's hard to clear the frame a lot of times.

And a lot of times things get overlooked. Oh my God. They must've been furious when that Starbucks cup, or maybe they didn't care, but in Game of Thrones, that was crazy talked about it definitely but let me let me look up uh a little women water bottle i didn't know that about so you can see there it is right next to timothy shall we holy shit it's like uh it's like a uh one of those thermosy yeah it's like a coffee cup yeah that hilarious is so crazy

right there next right next to like an old statue that's meant to it makes his wardrobe his like period wardrobe just looks stupid well i mean it's a lot like bob odenkirk walking into frame little women suddenly you start to realize oh wait this is a set this is i have to say he did a great job he was great but that but knowing him it's hilarious that suddenly an hour and 20 minutes into this movie in walks bob going god damn it yeah him like being a mr show fan seeing him walk into that movie was crazy. It's hilarious. But it's not like... And here's what I was wondering. When it comes out on home video, which is when people start to notice these things, is the framing different?

That's why... You know how when movies first came out on home video, they were adapted to meet televisions. And instead of... Sometimes they would do pan and scan. Yeah, yeah. But a lot of times- Sorry, are we deep into an episode of I Love Films? We might be back.

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to I Love Films. This is Scott. And this is Scott. And we're talking about, look, you can't mention films without talking about aspect ratios. Oh, yeah. We love them. Down with pan and scan. You know, you say the words pan and scan,

makes me want to run to the bathroom and throw up in the toilet. Makes me want to throw up in a pan and then scan that. And then scan it. What a scam. Pan and scan scam. That's what I say. What's your favorite aspect ratio? If you had to pick, and I'm not going to make you pick,

but if you had to. 2.35. I'm a 16.9, baby. Oh, 16.9. Ooh. Ooh, I need that extra, extra space. The thing about the Timothee chalamet shot with the thing like you could paint that out with iMovie like that is totally if anyone ever noticed it but

think about how many times they watched this movie or watched this and just i mean i the movie i directed i watched so many times and i don't think you could have slipped anything but we but again it wasn't a period piece so we weren't trying to do anything like that but I will say like okay what I was trying to say was if you got the VHS of Pee Wee's Big Adventure or if you maybe even taped it off of cable when it first came out they would do instead of letterboxing home video they would do pan and scan which is they would they would make it square and then if something happens to the right or to the left of where that square was they would like move the scan over slightly but occasionally what they would do and they did this on peewee's big adventure is they when you film a movie you're cutting off the top and the bottom of

of the of what you shoot what you actually shoot and sometimes you put tape off the top and the bottom of what you shoot, what you actually shoot. And sometimes you put tape on the bottom of the monitor and the top of the monitor, and you're shooting more than what the audience gets to see. That's right. And for TVs, they would just open it up and you would see everything. So on Pee Wee's Big Adventure, the original home video, would see like how they achieved all these camera tricks like him pulling out the endless chain on his bicycle right you could see i remember you could see all that and i so crazy and when you would watch it at home you'd

be like wait i don't remember this like it tricked me in the theater how come i'm but but that's what uh they used to do for home video so i started to wonder for little women is this what it is? Did they adapt the aspect ratio? No, because that's right in the middle of the frame. No matter what aspect ratio you're using, that's right there. I mean, it's, yeah. I mean, it's there.

It's just right there. It's crazy. Remember, too, when they would put movies movies on did you see they're bringing back like the cbs sunday night movie with oh yeah like and everything indiana jones and all that kind of stuff yeah um they played uh raiders or something yeah i saw they were playing that's why i mentioned indiana jones well no i didn't know they had played that movie but um well you seem to know every other fucking little bit of trivia about the Sunday night movie. Listen, Scott.

Listen. All I was trying to say was in the CBS or ABC or NBC Sunday night, Monday night, Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday, Saturday night. The weekend comes. The cycle hums. Sitting all week with you. Sure. Sitting all week. So you thought happy days. Sitting all week with you. Sure. Sitting all week. So you thought Happy Days.

Sitting all week with you. You thought Happy Days was about Fonzie sitting with people? Yes, it did. I mean, they did talk about sit on it. Maybe it makes sense. Yeah, that's why I said that. Potsy said sit on it. And I was like, love it.

Potsy never said sit on it. Potsy was told to sit on it. God damn it. No, Potsy didn't. Oh, right. Ralphotsy never said to sit on it. Potsy was told to sit on it. God damn it. No, Potsy didn't. Oh, right. Ralph Mouth told him to sit on it. But it's written on the wall too, isn't it? Sit on it.

And he's like, God damn it. So tired of this. What were you going to say about the- I was going to say, sometimes you would watch the version on network TV and there would be like an extra, like they would put in deleted scenes so they could fill out the you're like well they would do that remember this and they did that for the godfather

that's what the godfather saga was was they had like 40 extra minutes between the two movies and so then they released it in chronological order and thank god we're talking about the godfather finally on this show a real film um but but watching it in order like superman the movie yeah it is boring superman the movie they did the same thing where they took an extra 40 minutes and that's how it was advertised of like hey we got you know i know i know all you dumb fucks saw this in the theater when it came out and you're probably doing something on saturday night that's way more important. Like going out and doing drugs and partying and shit. But we got this extra 40 minutes of Superman. So if you want to see Superman,

like fly around and take like one extra bullet in his chest and it bounces off and he goes, Oh, ha ha ha. It tickles. I'm Superman. You're so fucking stupid for trying to shoot me. Yeah.

Then, then stay home on Saturday night. We got this extra 40 minutes and it fucking worked. Yeah. Then stay home on Saturday night. We got this extra 40 minutes and it fucking worked. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Listen, it worked. It was a master.

Fucking bullseye. Fucking, fucking boing, boing, boing. That's the sound of an arrow going into a bullseye. Boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. Boing. Boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. Boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. are there any film flubs if one were to look at your filmography on the internet movie database would you see any continuity errors any film flubs anything like that in your filmography any film flubs, anything like that in your filmography?

No, I never make mistakes. When I'm on set, I'm there to work. I am there to... Because you take no pleasure in it. It's work for you. It's work. Like a plumber has his tool bag. I have my emotions.

I bring them to the set. I've always considered your emotions to be a tool bag. That's right. You've always referred to me as a big tool bag, which I've always taken as a compliment. I really appreciate that. Did I tell you I once worked with an actor? I don't want to blow up their spot, even though he was absolutely the worst person I've ever worked with.

Let me see if I can guess who it is. I don't think you're going to be able to guess but i you know what i will say oh man should i even tell any part of this story um someone did guess who it was after i talked about him to her publicly what like you were telling it publicly and someone was like oh no i no i told my friend about this story i thought you said hal buckley i was like hal buckley famous actor i don't even know who that is but i told my friend this story about this terrible actor who was on bang bang who terrorized the pas and and um and and okay i'll tell you a little bit of the story but uh the minute this person

got onto set um they got out of their car and a pa you know traditionally when you get onto a set like a guest actor comes there's a pa waiting there for the person the pa is always like 18 to 20 to 22 or something their first job frightened you know um meek cowardly you know spineless total pieces of shit a toady essentially um no they're the they're so they're so nice and getting yes paid shit but getting to be on a set and and learning how to do it and they're all they're all like great people yeah um but uh and so you always want to treat them really nicely because it's you know like uh but so this person parks jumps out of their car and the pa is there saying hello to this person you know welcome to the show and is going

to take them back to their set and the person goes like get me a chicken caesar salad now no first thing get me a chicken caesar salad now um it's not lunchtime it's like the person is going to have to basically either go to catering and see if they can you know figure something out about it i can't remember whether lunch was coming three hours you know away or we had already eaten i don't know but it was going to be a hassle like you know maybe they could have ordered it from a restaurant next door or something like that so the person's like oh okay yeah we'll get on the pa we'll get on that sir or oh i don't want to say so okay it is a man it is a man. It is a man. Okay. Takes him up to his dressing room. 10 minutes later, where is that chicken Caesar salad?

And they finally are able to scrounge one up, you know, like 40 minutes later. Everyone takes a piss into it. I wish. Gross, by the way. I just pictured that and it's so disgusting uh what the taking a piss into a salad piss onto a salad piss in general is disgusting but so so um a lot happens with this person i don't even want to go into but um they sound cool they sound really cool but but the one part that the reason why i was reminded of it is because at a certain point we're just at our wits end with this person and they're staring into space during a break while we're waiting to set up for another shot and i have to be there next to him and i'm just like so why did you start uh why did you start

acting and it was kind of me like trying to figure this guy out because the guy was obviously not having a good time yeah right yeah and trying to figure out whether it was my show or every show or whatever and the guy goes well i looked at a list of high-paying jobs because I wanted to make a lot of money. And actor was pretty high on the list. And so I said, all right, I'll do that. Yeah, right. That's such a lame answer.

But then the person said, what are you, like a college boy? Are you like a college grad or something like that? So then, um, after just a terrorizing day with this person and it's, it's not, and that's not even the worst of it. And I don't like to publicly talk about anyone who's been nice enough to be on the show because we didn't pay a ton of money. We paid everyone one particular rate that was negotiated early on in the first season because – and it was – I think we called it the john ham rate because john accepted a really low rate uh so you could tell everyone hey john john ham took it yeah and and but you could never pay anyone more than that you're doing comedy bang bang it's not like you're expecting to get like a bunch of money you're like yeah so i i never would go out there and talk about anyone who was you know know, bad on the show or whatever. But in this one particular instance, I was just telling my friend and that person didn't know this actor, who this actor was and was like, oh, my God, he sounds like a nightmare. And then three months later, I get a call from my friend who's like, is this actor that you're talking about?

And then named the name. I said, yeah, why? Because he got on the set, parked his car, and immediately shouted for a chicken Caesar salad. Oh my God. And I said this. I feel like you did tell me who this was at one point, and I'm just forgetting.

I can't wait to find out. Yeah. In any case uh i'll uh off air i'll tell you even more horror stories about what uh what this person did but i guess my point is is when you act you hate it much like this guy yeah and um and it's it's it's i when i was a kid i was just like like, what's a high paying job? And and that's how I got here. So, yeah, I hate it.

And you are paid so much money for what you just exorbitant amounts. And boy, boy, is it is it a lot of fun? It really is. All right. We'll see you next time thanks bye bye man two eps of i love films this week they are they're really they're really treating us right i tell you uh speaking of right it's time to end this episode of Are You Talking RHCP? Re-me right now. So see you next time. Bye.

Bye. Boy, it's been a little bit of time. It's been one hot minute since we did Are You Talking RHCP? Re-me. I don't get that reference. Maybe that's why we're not doing that show anymore perhaps all right we need to take a break uh when we come back to the show we are going to be talking about my life in the bush of, the Tom Tom Club, and also the Red and the Black, as maybe a little bit of the name of this band is Talking Heads.

We will be right back with more You Talkin' Talkin' Heads to My Talkin' Head after this. welcome back you talking talking heads to my talking head and we're going to be talking about what happens with Talking Heads after they put out Remain in Light, which we spoke about on our last record with Tawny. What do you think of Tawny? Tawny's great, huh? Oh, yeah. Tawny's terrific. And such a talented singer. I had no idea. A very talented person. Almost too much talent to be in one body. One human meat body.

Now, just to be clear, we don't want you to cancel this. Everyone on Earth has a meat body. Humans. Not just Tawny. Yeah, no. Humans are meat bodies. We're not saying she has a meat body. Like, oh, wow, look at that meat body.

No, no, no, no, no. wow look at that meat body no no no no no no no no no body meaning flesh and bone you met her once yeah we meet with our bodies we meet each other right um okay so when we last left off adam uh talking heads had a tumultuous experience making remain in light uh where they all got mad at each other and a lot of issues with credit and uh what initially started out as a record that was supposed to be all of them just kind of jamming and and being credited as one unit kind of ended up being an album where everyone fought over the credit for everything um so talking heads had to go do these shows up and there was a one up in canada which was a big

festival show with elvis costello and a bunch of other bands uh who were popular at the time for 70 000 people that's a lot of people that's a lot of peeps that's 10 times the amount that that we played to when we did our last are you talking to rem renico so just to give you a little bit of uh now i now i understand now you understand yeah so uh they they really wanted to do songs from Remain in Light, but they couldn't see how they would do it with the band just as a four piece. Yes. Because all of those songs are so complex. And Brian Eno, I guess, told them, no, you won't be able to do this.

Boy, that guy. Oh, sourpuss. Oh, God. We know, Brian. Enough. We're already talking about this don't just ring my doorbell and then we come in the door and tell us that and then leave we get it so uh they they knew they had to fill out the band so according to one of the books i read george harrison was was the person

to fill out the band and i mean this makes sense he's a beetle he's connected he knows you know he knows everyone in the music industry everyone in the music industry of course he's going to know them they're all going to you know who he knows he knows ed sullivan yeah why now this is what i've been wondering why wasn't ed sullivan a member of Talking Heads touring band? I don't know. At least just to introduce them. He's friends, like best friends with one of the members of the band. We have a really, really big shoe today. Talking Heads. That's all these guys do.

He could have said that every night and introduced them. Every single night. It doesn't make any sense. So George Harrison puts the band together and he- By the way, i know of that ed sullivan that that's how he talked because of the billy joel video does billy what billy joel video um god what song was it it's got to be off of his uh it's all to man to 50s and 60s music. Yeah, oh, Uptown Girl, I think. Uptown Girl.

Yeah. So what happened? Wait, I thought Uptown Girl was about a poor kid who sees Christie Brinkley and gets a boner. How does it, Ed Sullivan? No, it's not Uptown Girl. No, I think it's a Weird Al video, actually. It's not Billy Joel at all.

It's a Weird Al video. It's a Weird Al video, actually. It's not Billy Joel at all. It's a Weird Al video. Is it Weird Al parodying Billy Joel, or is it just purely a Weird Al video? No, I think it's Weird Al parodying Eddie Money. Wait, not only that, but you're thinking of Don Pardo from I Lost on Jeopardy, are you not? No, no, I'm not. Oh, okay.

Because Don Pardo the the snl announcer very similar to ed sullivan yes he's in i lost on jeopardy so wait eddie money when did when did no no no no no no no not i lost on jeopardy i am thinking of a billy joel video adam is furiously typing away at his keyboard to try to make sense of his oh tell her about it that's what it was oh he's into oh it is a billy joel video it's not a weird al video so they they have an ed sullivan impersonator so what suddenly led you to thinking it was weird al because that i lost on jeopardy okay. Okay. I was right about that. I watched, I probably watched it 300 times in that one summer, whenever that song was out. So you watched it a hundred times a month.

So that's like three times a day. Three times a day for one summer. So every eight hours, would you set your alarm? And be like, all right, it's time. Fire it up. And I would watch it. And I loved it. Look, I loved it too, of course.

Big thrill working with him on the Comedy Bang Bang TV show. Speaking of the Comedy Bang Bang TV show, did I tell you that we did an Ed Sullivan episode of Black and White with Josh Groban? It's the third season, one of our best episodes, I think. But for some reason, something in my brain, and I still have to correct myself every time I say it, would not let me say anything but Ed Sullivan. Really? So I would constantly be saying like, okay, so in our Ed Sullivan episode, I don't know what the wires crossed in my brain or something to where I said that for approximately a year. So you just could not say Ed Sullivan?

I couldn't say Ed Sullivan where I would, and I'd be thinking it, say it right this time, say it right this time. And I would say Ed Sullivan every time. And so you would have to like do it over and stuff time. And I would say Ed Sullivan every time. And so you would have to like do it over and stuff. Well, we never said Ed Sullivan in the actual show. I'm saying like whenever we would talk about it in the writer's room, which is way more than just one day when you're shooting something. It's for months and months. I would say so our Ed Sullivan episode.

Anyway. I would have fired you. Yeah. Show rather than fire thyself. If I were you in the position to fire people on the show, I would have fired. Look, I would have loved nothing more than to fire myself after episode one.

But unfortunately, wouldn't that have been great? You were in the pilot. I was in episode one. We should have just switched. Yeah. It ended up being episode nine, but it was the first one we felt. Yeah. We should have just switched. Yeah. It ended up being episode nine, but it was the first one we filmed. Yeah, we should have just swapped it.

Sure. Would you have... If we had a time machine, we could go back and do that. Would you have, and this is a serious question. Yes. If I had said to you during the making of that episode, it was the first one we filmed, it was the pilot. Mm-hmm. If I had said after like an hour hey this isn't really working

out do you want to just switch and you host the show from now on like legitimately with what was going on in your career at the time would you have done it yeah so you would have given up on parks and rec i would have quit parks even though this was only a pilot You didn't know if it was going to get picked up or not. You would have called them up the minute I said, hey, do you want to switch? And said, by the way. I'm doing something that I truly love. And I know I've just committed to being on this show with you guys. As whatever your character's name.

Who was your character, Jim? Jimmy two times. You stare into the camera all the time. Jimmy two times. Who says everything two times like, I'm going to go get the papers. Get the papers. I'm going to go get the papers.

That was one of my favorite Mr. Show jokes that I believe I wrote, but you know, 30 years. Which Mr. Show joke? When we did our Goodfellas parody, we were trying to figure out a way, a thing to parody that. And everyone was saying like, Jimmy four times, Jimmy 10 times. I was like, what about, what about Jimmy one time?

And so he was a guy who only said things once and people would go, huh? And he would just stare at them. That's hilarious. I do not remember that. That was in Pally's. Okay, so getting back to Talking Heads. Yeah, getting back to it. So they had to put a band together. So George Harrison, he calls-

A live band. A live band, yes. George Harrison calls up some people. They got, I believe, the first one to- Well, not Ed Sullivan. He did not call Ed Sullivan. He did not call Ed Sullivan. First of all, he talked to Nona Hendrix because he'd been producing her record.

We talked about her last episode. She's from LaBelle, singer of Lady Marmalade. So he'd been working with her. And so he's like, hey, do you want to do backup vocals? She says yes. But then they contact probably the most key part of this band, I think, Bernie Worrell. Now, he is a dude who was in Parliament Funkadelic for the past few years, an amazing keyboardist. They all say the best musician of the entire group.

He has perfect pitch. He knows everything about arranging, uh, the best keyboardist. He had just quit P funk and he says, yeah, this sounds fun. So he joins. Um,

we also get Dillette McDonald on backing vocals, Steve scales, who's on percussion. And the guy we'd been talking about, uh, that Tawny loves so much, Adrian blue, he comes in and decides to be guitar and backing vocals.

And then we also have, and this is a really weird addition, but they get another bass player. They get Busta Cherry Jones. And I don't know why. Like, I can't figure it out that no one ever talks about why they hired one chris farts in his book says well it wasn't my idea because i didn't think we needed it because tina had already played the bass parts maybe just to have like some of those grooves are so crazy and that's going all over the place that That's what it seems like. It seems like, because I think Jerry Harrison, because I think like George Harrison

had sat down and written, because he was talking to Mr. Burns, I think, and said, okay, well, here's the musicians I think we need to replicate the sound on the record.

And he added another bass player for whatever reason. Because sometimes it's just like, but you also want you know well they talk about how um busted cherry jones he would he would he was supposed to be playing his parts but he would always then start to play tina's parts as well because technically he was a better bass player than her so he would just to play Tina's parts as well, because technically he was a better bass player than her. So he would just like play his own parts as well as Tina's parts, which caused some bummer.

I don't know, but they all liked him. He was he was a cool guy. Sounds real cool. Stealing bass parts from band member. It's not illegal. It is. Well, not in California, but it is illegal. They're just shattering norms here with basic

exactly so they get this really great um they get this great group together and they they go up and they play this canadian festival for 70 000 people and and they do first of all they just have five people on to start the the the show it's talking heads plus adrian blue and everyone's like oh okay this is cool and then they didn't do it like stop making sense where people came out one by one just uh suddenly you know everyone else came out and everyone in the crowd's like what this is crazy because suddenly all these people are on the band and then they tear into these new arrangements of these new songs and everyone goes apeshit and thinks it's really awesome.

Cool. Yeah. And that is how they started being more of a 10 piece than a four piece. And that would continue on into, uh, episodes started shredding ass all over the world. Sounds a lot like you. Am I right?

Before he got married? Shredding ass all over the world. Good Lord. So they also came back and played Central Park and they were like, okay, this is a really good sound. But they decide to take a break. And Mr. Burns, we talked about on the last episode he had been making a secret album with old sourpuss um that chris farts went out and played drums on one track he hadn't really told anyone about it but uh and he was supposed to come out before remain in light

but uh it ended up having some issues, which we can talk about. Now, this is the album called My Life in the Bush of Ghosts. Let's hear a little bit of the first track, America is Waiting. This is Mr. Burns in Old Sour Bus. Yes.

Mr. Burns and Smithers. America is waiting for a message of some sort or another. And this is music for like Sunday dinner over at grandma's house. Sure. Yeah. You bring this record over and say, Grandma, sit down in your chair. Get out the casserole because I've got a record I'd like to play. Put on some headphones and listen to this. Like, really listen to this.

Yeah, listen to this. You think you know what America's all about? to this? You think you know what America's all about? So this is a big deal. This is a big deal record. Let's talk about it conceptually and then

we can talk about how it came to be. So this came out in... You can't wait, really? Well, you don't have to because we're starting right now. Oh, great. This came out February of 1981 and became a huge, huge record. Very influential. Essentially because what they're doing, you can hear a little bit of it here.

America is waiting for a message of some sort or another. They're like sampling stuff. Yeah, this is one of the first records to sort of sample dialogue from all over. This is Ray Taliaferro of KGO News Talk AM 810

San Francisco. They recorded all of this sort of dialogue and singers and people chanting, sermons, an exorcist. They recorded all of these things off the TV sometimes. And then they made them the sort of singing. Instead of having singing on the record, they made these recordings the lead vocal track. Yeah.

So, very influential record. People hadn't really heard... I mean, there had been other records sort of like this that hadn't been popular, but this was the first time that sort of the New York art collective scene heard this kind of music before. Heard this kind of music, rather. And not only was it sampling, but it also was sort of world music. that respect where people started, it's kind of continuing what they did with

E Zimbra and Remain in Light, where they're taking world influences, but they have, you know, sort of Arabic singing going on and Lebanese things. Let's hear another track, maybe. Hey, why not? What's like the... Here's one Chris Farts plays on.

This is Regiment. You can hear his drumming on it. Here we go. so you also have robert fripp who did the guitar solo for e zimbra playing on this yeah so this kind of blows people's minds at the time and it's still cited a lot it's an influence on people yeah some people i read i read interviews with some people saying like it just blew like other musicians saying it just blew me away i'd never heard anything like this um not only the sampling element of it but just the exotic sound of it really made people very excited and they say that a lot of things wouldn't exist without it like they they mentioned uh public enemies uh producer was very influenced

by it taking all of the samples from everything um i think mooby's play record was sort of doing this, but with sort of old blues and soul records and then updating them. Yeah. Let's hear another. Let's hear, let's see. Let's hear the Jezebel spirit. ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത� This is the one that an exorcist, I think, is on. Not the exorcist. Right. An exorcist right an exorcist an exorcist not the famous one so did you get this record did you go back not until i mean way later when i was

into talking heads yeah but i never you know like a teenager, I didn't really get this. But I did get into it like in my 20s. Here he is. It was always one of those records that I would see. I would see it in the record store, and being into Talking Heads and David Byrne, I would be like, oh, man, I should pick that up. And just knowing it was instrumental music, I just never pulled the trigger on it. Well, also back then, getting an album was a decision. It was so much of my allowance

yeah because it was what was a tape or a cassette or a cd even cd was like 17 bucks i mean when i i will say that the only reason i ever got into the smiths was because i was in tower records and their album uh their double album, Hat Full of Hollow, was $7. And I was like, this is too good of a deal. I think I'd heard Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want in the movie Pretty in Pink. And I was like, oh, this is a really good band. If I ever see their record, I'll pick it up. And then I saw it was $7 and I was like, let's get it.

But every time I would see this record, it would be like, you.99 and i would say oh one of these days i'm gonna get it anyway yeah i didn't get it until they reissued it um in i believe 2006 so we weren't around for its sort of impact uh Uh, how do we feel about it in retrospect? All the stuff they're doing is kind of commonplace now. Yeah. I mean, it's cool. It's very radio heady.

Um, yeah, I see that. Yeah. Especially they're like after kid a, um, yeah, I like it.

I'm, you know, I like pop songs. I like, you know, talking heads, but this, it's really cool it's certainly way ahead of its time and innovative and stuff it's not something i reach for all the time but it's good how how far away are your records like when you reach for them they're super far so reaching for it is a big deal. Reaching for stuff. I keep them on the roof of my neighbor's house. So it's like not even in my.

Yeah. Does your neighbor know that? They don't. Okay. Don't. We can't tell them. They're going to steal them. I mean, possession is nine tenths of the law.

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So let's talk about a man named John Hassel. Are you ready? Can you not wait for this as well? I think I can. It's too bad. You're not going to have to. Okay, so there's this musician, John Hassel. He is the trumpeter. If you'll remember on our last episode in Remain in Light, he played the trumpet on the record that sounded like an elephant. Okay.

sort of considered to be the originator of this type of record um he put out a couple of records and um when he was doing a live show for one of them who should show up but good old sourpuss oh boy this guy he shows up and he's he comes backstage and he's like pardon me, but we should work together. And John Hassel says, fuck it. Sounds good to me. Let's fucking do it, bro. They high five, they high 10. So they collaborate on John Hassel's record, Fourth World Volume One, Possible Musics,

which comes out in 1980. Okay. Possible Musics. Possible Musics. world volume one possible musics which comes out in 1980 okay so he knows possible musics possible musics so i'm gonna play a little bit of that while we talk about this so old sourpuss is producing this while he's making remain in light so that's why john hassell comes down and and plays trumpet on Remain in Light. So this is a very influential record. People love it. It's credited with sort of influencing things like Peter Gabriel with his security record and things like that. Like the whole world music scene is kind of influenced by this, right?

Right. The whole world music scene is kind of influenced by this, right? Right. So, old Sourpuss and Mr. Burns, they call up John Hassel in between Fear of Music and Remain in Light or whatever. And they say, hey, you know what we should do? The three of us should decamp somewhere, like in the middle of the desert and make a record together sort of based on i think a record by the residents uh called eskimo which is like supposed to sound like another country like a made-up country making a record right Right. So John Hassel's like, yeah, that sounds good to me. And then instead of the desert,

Old Sourpuss and Mr. Burns go to a studio in L.A. And they start working on it without him. Now, this is disputed. Mr. Burns says, well, we invited him and he just never showed up. I don't know whether he had a date. And, you know, because he was going out with a lot of ladies at the time. Also, this is the 80s, so maybe he had to return some videos. Could be.

He also could have been watching speeches by Ronnie Reagan. Well, well, Mr. Gorbachev, build that wall. Yeah, good. I mean, you know, all sorts of things could have been going on. But he... So he doesn't... Now, John Hassel, in recent interviews, he says, well, they started the record without me.

It was always supposed to be a three-person record they sent me tapes of what they'd done based on my work and it sounded i didn't like it it sounded kind of bad to me um so i decided not to be on it um which then i guess turned into a rift with him and Brian Eno over the years, which lasted a really long time until I guess John Hassel says years and years or decades later, he wrote a 50 page letter to Brian Eno trying to clear the air, uh, which is when they reconnected. Now they're working together, but he does say, um, he's had, this is a quote. I've had zero contact with david he's not exactly in the same intellectual class with brian so that's not surprising whoa yeah so he he i guess when it comes out by the way they did a they did a a photo shoot of the three of them they came out in a french magazine that was sort of like

the french life and rolling stone magazine um where it was talking about how they were doing this record together so the record comes out he's not a part of it for whatever reason and he feels kind of ripped off and and says that he didn't have the kind of managers that could have sued them so he feels he feels burnt burnt by old sourpuss for years. And this is all because they had planned to record together and then... And then somehow he's not part of it at the end of it. Whether he chose not to be a part of it because he didn't like what they were doing or he just didn't show up or they...

But it's not like he recorded a bunch of stuff for them and they used it and didn't credit him. I think he did send them some tapes of him playing some stuff, which they based songs on. I don't know exactly what it is. He's not credited as a writer on any of these songs. So who knows? But he kind of felt like he had a court case, but then ended up clearing the air with with old sourpuss and now they work together so these guys just cannot make an album without controversy regarding the writing credits okay so my life in the bush of ghosts a classic um that is fun to listen to, but is not on permanent rotation for either of us, it sounds like.

No. No. No. So, by the way, the reason this does not come out until 1981 is they had a lot of, it was one of the first instances of sample clearance issues. Apparently, there was one sample of someone that they just could not clear, and it took years and years, and then they couldn't clear it, and so they ended up having to rework

some of the songs, which Old Sourpuss says now, well, it actually made the album better. I'm glad we couldn't clear it. Of course he does. Of course he does. So this comes out February of 1981. Meanwhile, finally, Mr. Burns tells everyone in Talking Heads, yeah, I'm making this solo record.

And so George Harrison is like, well, you're going to make a solo record? I'm going to make a solo record. So he gets money from Sire, their record label, to gonna make a solo record i'm gonna make a solo record so he gets money from sire their record label to go make a solo record and um then chris and tina are sitting there going like well we don't really want to make a solo record until they look at their bank account i guess uh after this tour the whole band looked at their bank accounts and there was no money in them like they hadn't made any money in this band strangely enough um chris and tina had two thousand dollars in the bank so they're like well we better make a solo record meanwhile

mr burns who had been we talked last episode he'd been dating tony basil the choreographer and singer um he is contacted by another choreographer named twyla tharp right famous deal big deal was a big part of the New York art scene. And I guess this came about because she was under the impression that dance should be just as big as rock music. She's like, why aren't dance shows treated like rock shows? Why isn't it considered to be as popular? And she was dating Bill Graham, the promoter at the time. And she was like, I should collaborate. She'd already choreographed some of her dances to rock music that had already been recorded. But she's like, I should collaborate with a band. Who should I collaborate? And Bill Graham says, Talking Heads, definitely.

And so she goes, okay, great. And she calls up Mr. Burns, whom she apparently felt would share this with the rest of the band. And instead, he just turned up solo. Wow. And goes and has lunch with her in New York and says like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll do it. Doesn't include the rest of the band. Wow. And so that's how Catherine Wheel came it. Doesn't include the rest of the band. Wow. And so that's how Catherine Wheel came about.

So this is how Catherine Wheel comes about. He goes, yeah, okay, let's collaborate on this. Also starts dating Twyla Tharp. Who ends up between Twyla Tharp and Tony Basil. They both really influenced Mr. Burns' dancing on stage. Because with all of the additional musicians and them sounding so funky he realizes he's got to loosen up so he works with them on dance moves so what comes out of this is the next record to come out in 1981 the catherine wheel which essentially is the soundtrack to a dance project that Twyla Tharp

puts together, which I have not seen. Have you seen any of it? No, but one of the songs is like one of my favorite songs on talking on, uh, stop making sense. Yeah. Two of the songs end up on stop making sense. And, um, so it's, it's, it's actually not all instrumentals like my life in the bush of ghosts is it's it's a combination of instrumentals and mr burns solo songs um and let's hear a little bit of uh well you say one of your favorite songs ended up on it is it big business or is it what a day that was what a day that was big business a day that was. Big business is on Stop Making Sense. Yes. At least in the extra stuff, maybe?

I'm not sure. Anyway, let's hear what a day that was. It is in the... I will look it up right now and prove you wrong. I mean, it sounds a lot different. Yeah, not as good. Big Business is an extra song available on the Blu-ray.

Hmm. Starting over in another place. Let me tell you a story. A big chief with a golden crown. He's got rings on his fingers. And then he walks up, up to the throne. He's making shapes with his hands. Now don't you dare sit down. Now don't you dare jump back. So yeah, it sounds very different.

Kind of minimalist. This is such a good part. But man, the Talking Heads version is so much better. Yeah, it's great. This just sounds like a sketch. Let's hear Big Business. Yeah, what is that song? I don't even know what that is.

Let's hear the sort of single, the dance mix. Because it's a really... It's actually maybe the best song on the record, I think. The best song on the record, I think. Talking Heads played four of these songs in concert. Two of them ended up on on Stop Making Sense, they kind of blend this with Izembra. Yes. That's cool.

I've never seen that before. It's really good. And then you have the backing singers just tearing through it going, Thank you, that enough. Yeah. It's really good. Anyway, this is, I mean, I actually like, I don't know. I like this record.

What do you think of it? Yeah, it's cool. I wonder why they didn't include the, because when they put out like all those extra tracks on Stop Making Sense, they should have put Big Business and E-Zimbra in there. That's pretty great. Well, I think they didn't want to, they didn't want to like to like you know they wanted the movie to come out the way it came out and then they they added those tracks you know as special features as bonus scenes you know what i mean but not till like way later yeah

not till the dvd came out i mean they they will talk about it when we talk about i mean like heaven and found a job oh yeah you're meeting on the cd on Oh, yeah, yeah. You're meaning on the CD. On the album, yeah. Yeah, I know. I think the CD might be just almost as long as a CD can be. I think if they added those, it might have been over the limit of what a CD could be. CD could be. CD could be.

Hmm. Let's hear Eggs in a Briar Patch. That sounds fun. Yeah. I guess Twyla Tharp's, I've never seen it, but I've read about this. It was a dance piece taking on a dysfunctional family, not based on either of their own families because they added things like a black French maid to it and stuff like that. I don't know. But I guess her style is a lot of awkward pedestrian movements they were talking about. Yeah.

Interesting. Which I think when this came out, the reviews were sort of harsh on it. Like they said it was one third genius and two thirds really boring. Hmm. Um, but the music is really good. That's not fair. That's a lot like what people would say about our show.

I'm not sure what one third... Sometimes more than others. Let's hear My Big Hands fall through the cracks. This is one Talking Heads did live. Oh, they did? Yeah. I've never heard any tape did live. Oh, they did? Yeah.

I've never heard any tape of them. I mean, it sounds like memories can't wait. Yeah. All right, so this was a big deal. This is another one that I saw all the time in a record store, and I never pulled the trigger on it either. Yeah, no, me neither. Finally got it when it came out on cd i think i would have liked this more than my life in the bush of ghosts when it came out so yeah this was uh this is a big deal it is and i remember i remember like you said not

ever pulling the trigger on it because I just didn't have enough money to buy David Byrne stuff I was sort of interested in. But I remember it being a big deal. I remember you told me that when you got your first Parks and Rec paycheck, you went out and bought this record. First thing I did, and I told everyone on set, I was like, guys, it's nice meeting you. I'm so excited to do this show because i get to purchase the catherine wheel um so a couple of interesting kind of side records not pop records mr burns made just two experimental records i don't even know if these two records are what the other members of talking

heads expected when he said he was going off and making a solo record um but they came out and were both very influential in the the new york scene not really especially um breaking through to people like you and i uh who were a little more interested in in alternative or pop music you know structure um okay we need to take a break when we come back we will be talking about what the rest of the band was doing in 1981 we'll be right back with more you talking talking heads to my talking head after this Talking, talking heads to my talking head after this. Welcome back. You talking, talking heads to my talking head.

Huh? Are you talking, talking heads to my talking head? Huh? Are you talking talking heads to my talking head? Are you? Are you? You are. You are talking heads to my talking head? You talking heads to my talking head? Welcome back.

So let's talk about what the rest of the band was up to when Mr. Burns decided to go make his solo records. We talked about George Harrison. He went to the head of Sire Records and said, hey, can I make a record? And they said, okay. And this is incredible. He came out with two solo records in 1981. George Harrison did? George Harrison did.

Let's hear the hit single from uh the first one somewhere in england this is all those years ago Well, they cheated you like a dog And you were the one who made it so clear This was huge. This was his sort of pop record that he made. Saying like, hey, he's, yeah, it's a tribute to him being in the Beatles. Yeah. They don't act with much honesty

And this was kind of his like, okay, I'm going to put out a record that appeals to the masses before i do more of an experiment or the weird talking heads ish sort of thing yeah so that was the first one he put out that was called somewhere in england obviously you've you've all heard that but he also was working on a more experimental record called the red and the black the red and the black now i never uh heard this until weirdly enough um when i when when i finally got itunes in like 2006 i was just sort of flipping around itunes you know going like oh what do they have where are they flipping around a bunch of records that i never got when they came out now they're all available downloaded

and yeah so this was available and i was like fuck yeah so i bought it um how is it i never got that i got into casual gods like later on i never listened to this really so this is good let's hear a little bit of it because it essentially it sounds like a talking heads record with someone different singing it. So let's, it's interesting. I mean, it's, it's,

it's a lot of the people who work on speaking in tongues and who are in the, the touring band. So let's hear, this is things fall apart. It also goes to show how huge talking heads were that everyone can just go make solo albums. Yeah. And this is before they even had bass, by the way. All right.

But yeah, I mean, it is very talking heads-y. It's sort of like Casual Gods in that it's just more synth-y. Yeah. It's those kind of more 80s drum sounds. Let's hear, this one's really good. Worlds in Collision. Oh, there's Nona Hendrix, by the way. Okay, this is Worlds in Collision. Oh, there's Nona Hendricks, by the way. Okay, this is Worlds in Collision.

You have Bernie Worrell, Adrian Ballou. All the usual suspects are here. Nona Hendricks, Dilep McDonald, Steve Scales. The stories of yesterday's agreements. Remember the divisions of east and west when three worlds fought for your heart and everyone is a collaborator there are only levels

of cooperation and there comes a time when what was wrong becomes right and there comes a time when friendly dogs begin to bite. I know, yeah, this song. This is a jam.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. Jerry Harrison's badass. Or George Harrison. It's crazy that he can make something like this and then something as a bit more traditional like all those years ago yeah in the same period i mean the guy who wrote here comes the sun can experiment like this and come up with something that's a little more art rock and this is like only like 10 years after my sweet Laura. It's insane. The progression. And then just like five, six years later, The Wilburys.

I mean, dude has just a depth. He's just, what a bench. What a bench. Deep bench. Deep, deep bench. I like this record. bench um i like this record if the one criticism you could say is is that you sort of miss david byrne being the singer in a way you know uh uh george harrison is a good singer i mean this is his experimental stuff he's a great singer of course in the beatles and everything else um

his experimental records um you know the jams are really good maybe could have used mr burns singing on him it's also a little just tinny just the sound wise i like the bassiness of talking heads that i i kind of miss that rhythm section. Well, speaking of the rhythm section, we have to talk about the TomTom Club. Yeah, the most successful of the Talking Heads solo ventures. So let's talk about what happened. So Tina and Chris, they look in their bank account. They only have $2,000, and they say— $2,000.

$2,000, of course, yeah. Two Bennys. Two bananas. Two large. Two Bennys. Two Bananas. Two Large. Two Big Ones. Two Bozos. Is this talking about money, by the way? Yeah, it is.

Hey, everyone. Welcome to Talk About Money. This is Scott. And this is Scott. And we're just talking about things that people call thousand dollar bills. Increments of 1,000. Increments of 1,000. And does anyone call them bozos? Because if they don't, we need to start it and we need to be credited for it. I think it's perfect for that particular increment of bozo. I think it's great.

Hey, you owe me a bozo. Yeah, I need... That AC unit's going to be 15 bozos. Please, please start this. Okay, let's do it. Bozos. Okay. All right, we'll see you next time.

Thanks, bye. Bye. Good app. okay let's do it bozos okay all right we'll see you next time thanks bye good yeah yeah short sweet got in got out and started something i think a little bit of a cultural moment there yeah a lot like me during sex you got out cultural moment okay so chris and tina they say well fuck we got to do something because we need money um so they call up the head of sire records which had just been bought by warner brothers i think um so they had a lot more money and uh head of sire record says uh no i can't afford another talking head solo record no i'm going to give you a deal. So they're like, cool, thanks.

Cool, thanks, bro. Appreciate. Preach. Preach. Says we won't be getting any bozos from you. That is a negative on the bozos then, I assume? Negative on the bozo. So they call up their manager and their manager says well you know

i guess i could call up my friend chris blackwell over at island records now chris blackwell very very uh influential record uh uh company owner who did yeah basically broke bob marley um and he was records island records he was really bummed when he didn't sign talking heads that when when they went to sire instead so he was like fuck he was like fuck this fuck bob marley shut the up. I'm trying to grieve. I was trying to get, make more bozos. Hundreds of bozos. Hundreds of bozos. So how many bozos does Mark Zuckerberg have, by the way, in his net worth?

God, I mean, can you even measure that amount of bozos? He must have a million bozos. At least a million bozos. No? He must have a million bozos. At least a million bozos. No, five, a hundred million bozos. No, he doesn't. He's a billionaire, isn't he? Yeah, but a bozo is a thousand. I know, but- A thousand.

A thousand. 100 million times one bozo? Let's figure it out. One bozo. Let's figure it out. So Chris Blackwell says, yeah, I would love to do a record deal with you guys. What if you came down to Nassau and just made a single first? What do you say?

And then we'll figure out if you're going to do an album. So they say, yeah, that's cool cool and they get this idea in their head what if we did kind of a collective record you know where we got a bunch of friends and we jammed and we all just kind of like came up with the music while we smoked some fucking weed so they go down um first of all before they down, they say there's only one person that can produce this record, and that is Lee Scratch Perry. Yeah. Oh, boy. The reliable Lee Scratch Perry. The ever reliable.

So they go and meet him. Set your clock. Set your watch. They go and meet him at the Howard Johnson Hotel in New York, which is coincidentally just two years later where I stayed on my first trip to New York when I was 12 years old. Yes. The one with the, like, diner in it in Times Square? Yeah, that was it. I don't think it's there anymore.

So, they go meet him, and he says, yeah, I definitely, I'm not going to attempt to do his voice. I hope you don't mind. Lee Scratch's voice? Yeah. No. I'm not going to do to do his voice. I hope you don't mind. Lee Scratch's voice? Yeah. No, I'm not going to do an impersonation of him. Don't worry about it. No. He says, yeah, definitely.

I definitely want to do this. And they go, all right, bro, we'll see you down there. They give him the date that he's supposed to be there. And he's like, definitely. So they go down. No problem whatsoever. Of course I'll be there. Who are you talking to?

You're talking to least on me they go down to nassau they they i guess with the money they got for the record they they buy an apartment um with a beautiful view out to the ocean and they they renovate it and um which is a weird way to spend your money your two bozos so um so they they buy this apartment which um on the street where where it was they don't have uh numbers for any of the houses all of the all of the buildings have names. So they name it the Tom Tom Club just like as a joke. Their apartment. Their apartment. Yeah.

Yeah. So day one comes and goes and Lee Scratch Perry doesn't show up. And according to Chris's book, he's like, we figured. Yeah, sure. I mean, he's not the most punctual guy in the world. One day. That's fine. He'll be here tomorrow

two weeks go by he does not show up and finally someone gets him on the phone and is like dude are you coming to produce the record like it's all set up we have your airfare like everything is all paid for and he's like oh yeah yeah yeah definitely definitely i'm definitely gonna do that you can depend on me you i will be there here's the deal here's the deal here's what you gotta do you just gotta pay me um a thousand dollars an hour to to be there so every hour he gets one bozo one bozo he says look i'll definitely be there for a bozo an hour every 60 minutes one bozo do we have a deal and they're like well wait a second and and they go well you're trying to price yourself out out do you are you just looking for an excuse not to go like that's that would cost so much money

to pay you a thousand dollars an hour he goes no problem we'll we'll finish the record in eight hours. Good Lord. Which I guess you could make a record in eight hours. If all the songs were already written and you were just like ripping through them, like the Ramones or something, but they were trying to do this thing where, which was more of a collective where they were jamming and stuff. So they're like,

Lee scratch Perry later, bro. So he ends up not doing it. Um, they instead hours. Yeah, no problem. But we'll be done.

I just need eight hours. I need eight bozos. I need eight hours and we're, we'll, we got it. So, um, instead they turn to steven stanley who was the guy who was uh working

with brian you know on remain in light and they clear that with um with chris blackwell and he says great idea yeah great just send me the single go ahead and do the single okay so this is where to get weird so they ask a bunch of people to come down to nassau but um according to adrian baloo our old friend that tani newsome loves he goes down he doesn't have any kind of a deal with them right right just he's he essentially is according to him this is according to him. This is according to him, yes. He goes down and spends a couple of weeks there. And essentially nothing is written and he ends up writing, along with Chris and Tina, he ends up writing the Tom Tom Club record. Right? But he doesn't make a deal, so he's being paid as a session musician. Right.

Right? So he's jamming with them, and he doesn't think much of it. He's like, yeah, it's cool, whatever. I'm working with Talking Heads. I'm working with these guys. Everything's cool. We'll work out the deal. It'll all be fine.

He leaves after a couple of weeks. When he finally gets the album, he listens to and he's like first of all a lot of his guitar work has taken off of it because the producer didn't like loud distorted guitar but that being the producer that was uh uh stephen stanley we just mentioned from remaining light so a lot of his guitar work has taken off but a lot of the guitar work that's taken off, they have then made those guitar lines the melody of the song. And turned them into the singing parts. And did he get writing credit? And he realizes that he wrote most of the songs on the record.

And in fact, on one called Le Elephant, he plays like all of the instruments on it. And then he looks at the writing credits and he's not on any of them. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Hey, baby. And he says, well, it's probably not worth making a big deal out of it. These guys are my friends. Hey.

This is according to him him he calls them up to say hey he leaves a message hey we need to renegotiate this because like i wrote a lot of this record and they ghost him and they never call him back so wait tina and chris farts kind of do the same thing to him that that happened to them on remaining gosh ironic nay um now that is according to adrian blue yeah that's his side of the story essentially like went years and years kind of feeling like he got especially when one of the songs becomes a huge hit yeah huge he feels like okay well i just got screwed out of a lot of money. And I think he got paid, he said, eight bozos to do that record.

Oh, man. So now, according to Chris, so I'd read that and I'd read articles about it. And one of the Talking Heads books goes into it in detail with quotes from him and everything. And I read that. So I was interested to see what Chris Farts writes about it in detail with quotes from him and everything and i read that so i was interested to see what chris farts writes about it in his book yeah and he i don't remember anything about that okay so what he says is we really liked adrian from working you know from touring talking heads with him so we really liked him so we offered him we were like hey bring your wife bring your kids down here we'll pay all the expenses we'll pay airfare you come down here and party with us in jamaica and work on this record and that's just

because we liked him so much and then then the next sentence is about he stayed in our apartment which is like not all expenses paid as far as i'm concerned but um but and then uh then the one quote about it is, he spent two weeks there after we'd already written a bunch of songs. And I find out later that the guitar tone he used on our song, Le Elephant, which I'd mentioned, he then used on a King Crimson song called, uh, elephant something. And then Chris, Chris just goes, cool. Like what a dick. Um,

and he's, he's trying to play it off like this dude. We, and he goes and we cut him in on all the writing credits and all this. And he, he did this to us. Now they got the writing credits figured out by eventually eventually by the time that uh mariah carey sampled a genius of love adrian blue is listed as a writer of it

at that point so i think it all it all finally got sorted out and adrian blue was sort of passive about it and didn't want to make waves. But eventually when it just became obvious, the song is too popular to not, to not spread a little of the wealth. Um, good for him. He gets cut into it. So,

so that seems to be all taken care of, but it also is a thing where, um, here's the other really weird wrinkle. So Adrian blue is playing with talking heads right and according to him tina chris and george harrison all say like hey dude do you want to join the band for real do you want to be an official fifth member and he and is this before after this this is before this is before the tom tom club thing and he's kind of going like well maybe i don't know and then he he he meets with them all and george harrison says well we got to take it

slow and he goes have you even talked to mr burns about this and they all go no no we haven't even like asked him about this and he's like okay and then according to him tina at a certain point is so fed up with mr burns she says not only do I want you to join Talking Heads, but I want you to take Mr. Burns' place. Like replace him. Replace him. And I want you to be the lead singer. And he goes, I don't think that would work. Now, according to Chris in his book, that's all a misunderstanding that what Tina said was, hey, we want you to join the Tom Tom Club.

And he misunderstood it and thought it was talking heads. Now, I don't know what I believe. I would not put it past them to be so fed up with Mr. Burns that they want to replace him with this young, good looking Adrian Ballou. Yeah. Who knows? But then according to Adrian Ballou, he meets with Chris Blackwell and Chris Blackwell loves his guitar playing is like, what do you want to do in your career? And he goes, I want to do a solo record. And Chris Blackwell gives him the solo deal right then and there without hearing anything. And he and Tina said, hey, Chris Blackwell, you should give Adrian Ballou a solo record because we really like him so much. He's so great. Like, out of the goodness of their heart, they... That's how he got a solo deal.

That's how he got a solo deal. And then he goes and betrays them like this. I don't know. Weird shit. I don't remember any of that from the book. It's kind of a bummer that they Ballou him off. What? Boom. Booyah boom booyah three bozos for that joke bozo booyah bozo bozo bozo booyah bozo booyah in any case um they they make this

record they apparently all have fun doing it um the lead singer is tina and she brings both of her sisters down uh the same sisters who sang on fear of music and they all we should hear this because this song if people don't know it already they they will recognize it immediately it is ubiquitous well let's hear actually before before the ubiquitous one let's hear the first single that they did which then made chris black, yeah, go ahead and make an album. This is the first single they ever put out as a 12-inch. This is Wordy Rapping Hood. And this is pre-Heart of Glass.

Yes. So this is kind of a proto-rap song, like what we were talking about last week when white people didn't know what rap was. Thank you. That's Tina. Represent real hip-hop. Her sisters. And this became like a little club hit like this is like a club hit yeah people liked it they released in england as a 12 inch um they still had no record deal in the u.s by the way because island was just distributing them in england yeah um so essentially this whole record is kind of like it's it's a party record it's it's trying to be sort of like have a lot of different influences from funk to world music um a lot of a lot of these songs aren't even really songs they're just sort of like sketchy

stuff like there's one song booming and zooming which just has chris farts like essentially doing like radio a radio transmission on it um but then weirdly enough like one of the songs became so fucking huge it probably will transcend anything talking heads ever puts Like, I think it'll be popular for years and years to come when people have just basically forgotten Talking Heads. This is Genius of Love, track two. What you gonna do when you get out of jail? I'm gonna have some fun What do you consider fun?

Fun, natural fun Now wait, what song did Mariah Carey use this for? Uh, Heartbreaker. Heartbreaker got the best. Yeah, this has been sampled so many times. Let me see if I can find a list. Incredible. I mean, I remember hearing this not knowing it had anything to do with Talking Heads.

I thought it was just a different band or whatever. And this is just, it's so much of a part of kind of the cultural collective consciousness. Oh, totally. Everyone just knows this. Okay, people who have incorporated Genius of Love include Public Enemy, Redman, Cameron, Second to None, Tupac, Seagrams, Busta Rhymes, PM Dawn, Eric Sermon, Warren G. I mean, it just goes on and on and on.

Can we hear the Mariah Carey? Yeah. If only it'll take me a second to boot it up. It's crazy too because this was like a huge worldwide smash hit and the only

thing David Byrne ever said to them about it was a few years later in like an elevator, he turned to Chris and Tina and just said, how did you get those hand claps? And then they told him, he was like, huh.

Yeah, and that was the only thing he ever said about it. In fact, when they were all in a taxi together and their manager, they don't know why he decided to say it in front of Mr. Burns, but he says, oh, guess what? The Tom Tom Club record just went gold which the talking heads had never done and everyone's just silent because it's so uncomfortable and supposedly tina says well it would have been better if talking heads had went gold first that way that would have been you know i i would have liked that more but that's great

but no one else said anything they were so crazy so jealous george harrison says that the success of it kept them together as a band because they wanted to outdo what what this had done like they couldn't quit and have this be the most popular thing so they all stayed together um all right this is mariah Carey's interpolation of it. There's Jay-Z on this, right? Let's go. Hell yeah.

Hey, you gotta bounce to this like this. You almost gotta watch this. Uh-huh. Woo! Let's skate. Oh, wait, no, this is the wrong song. Sounds kind of similar, though, doesn't it? I think it's fantasy.

I kept thinking it was going to cut in. I like this, though. We should do a show on Mariah Carey. Yeah. Okay, I think it's fantasy. Here we go. With ODB. ODB?

R.I.P. R.I.P. Keeping it real, son.I.P. Keeping it real, son. That's right. The shining star. My shining star, girl. Yo, New York in the house. Here we go.

It's Brooklyn in the house. That's right. Up out in the house. God, you have so many heads. Jesus. That's crazy. Boogie down on your many heads. Jesus. That's crazy. Sacramento? Hell yeah.

I lived on 14th and End. I want to get to the chorus, come on. Baby, come on. Baby, come on. When you walk by every night, talk your sweet and lovely side. I want to get to the chorus. Hold on. There we go. Baby, baby, baby, baby. When I close my eyes, you come and take me. God, they must have made it.

Fortune. So many bozos. So many bozos. Thankfully, Adrian Blue has bozos now of his own. By the way, they copped the beat from a Zap song, More Bounce to the Ounce. Let's hear a little bit of that. Essentially, they really liked this beat, andris farts just kind of replicated it so yeah um that became a smash tom tom club became more popular than talking heads especially um overseas where um they went on tour and tom tom club

opened for talking heads and sometimes was billed above talking heads because they were so much more popular um now as a record have you listened to it recently uh no i mean when i was listening to the to to the book i would listen to uh the album whenever he would mention particular songs but i haven't like listened to the album in a while it's um it it again it's not really it doesn't feel like a real record to me like like they lucked into to genius of love and could have they didn't know it was a hit. So instead of making a whole bunch of songs like that, they just made this kind of like experimental toss-off fuck-around album. Here's L'Elephant.

Most of the songs don't feel like songs. They're sort of like... It's like party music. Yeah, it's weird sketches. They have no idea. God, it must have infuriated Mr. Burns. Oh, yeah. Because he's doing all this conceptual stuff with Brian Eno and the Catherine Wheel.

And then... This is Adrian Ballou listening. Chris and Tina go off and just make party music. And it's huge. and just make party music. And it's huge. Yeah, I think he cracked once that, you know, it was something to the effect of, like,

it was music for more common people or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, he's doing stuff that is turning him in the eyes of the press, you know, the New York press especially, as, like, the genius, you know, because he's doing these like incredibly influential stuff. But Tina and Chris are, they made this record, which made them rich beyond their wildest dreams with bozos. Bucco Dolores. Bucco, Bucco Dolores. I

think they bought a house in Connecticut with the the money and let's hear on on on on yeah i like this I'm living through I love you I know the truth So do you One thing about Genius of Love, it kind of reminds me of The Breeders' Cannonball, which I read once

The Breeders' Cannonball isn't really a song as much as it's a collection of interesting sounds does that make sense like it's got cannonball yeah yeah you know what i mean it's got that pop but it's but but what i mean to say is is like the way it's produced it's like the drum hit yeah like everything is about is an interesting sound put together but genius of love reminds me of that where it's like it it's let's hear a little bit more of it it's all these just interesting things put in there you got chris farts like shouting about james brown and yeah and then it's an ode like funk influences, Bohannon. And, um, but yeah, the melody is great.

The, the keyboard part, that's the one part that George Harrison asked him about. He goes, how'd you get that keyboard part? They told him, and then he never talked about the record. Yeah.

It's so weird. Um, yeah, listen to this just like interesting shit so that's kind of the extent of their solo stuff up until this point right i mean yeah so that's everything that they put out in 1981 they put out which is a lot of stuff a lot of stuff um and and then you know of course we can talk about it briefly they they put out a live record oh right the next year called the name of this band is talking heads which was an interesting way to put together a live record where each side of it was from a different year. Right.

So the first side was, I believe, it was from the More Songs About Buildings and Food tour, I believe. And then the next side was The Fear of Music. And then the second LP was all with the expanded band that they've been touring with remain of light and there's i mean stopping he sounds obviously is a classic yeah it's like the quintessential but it's super interesting to to hear essentially this is the only recording of the adrian blue because adrian blue doesn't end up on because because he ends up joining king crimson and saying like enough with talking heads right uh robert yeah robert fripp calls him up and he's like a prog rock guy anyway so because he worked with frank zappa and

robert fripp calls him up and goes hey do you want to do you want to be in king crimson he goes later talking heads and then he feels kind of burned by them anyway so he just he just takes off so the Robert Fripp calls him up and goes, hey, do you want to be in King Crimson? And he goes, later, Talking Heads! And then he feels kind of burned by them anyway, so he just takes off. So the name of this band is Talking Heads. That whole second LP, and on the CD, they expanded even further, is essentially the one document you have of Adrian Ballou playing with Talking Heads. And it's really interesting to hear essentially the Stop Making Sense group with Adrian Blue doing weird guitar sounds on it.

So let's hear a little bit of This Is Warning Sign. See if you can hear Adrian Blue chiming in everyone. There it is. Making weird cat noises with his guitar. It's pretty awesome. And they talk about how they loved playing with him because he never, like he would never play the same thing twice. Right. They never had to say like, okay, you play at this.

He would just play whenever he wanted and they loved anything that he ever played with them because it all sounded great and additive and insane that's awesome um let's hear a little bit of the song drugs because i know that you and i don't really like that song necessarily on record but the live version kind of slaps let's hear this. That sounds great. Yeah, that's cool. The backup singers. Let's hear the Life During War time from this period. It sounds pretty similar to Stop Making Sense, also. Here's Life During War time.

Yeah, it's fast. Yeah, faster. How's the backup singers? I believe this is still Dillette McDonald and Nona Hendrix. We're still with them at the time. Cokie. Cokie Roberts. Let's hear a little bit of Born Under Punches just to hear a taste of this.

This is a cool record because it gives you every era of the talking goods. It's worth getting. And on CD, it's just so much music. It's great. Yeah. It's just so much music. It's great. Yeah.

So at the end of all of this, they put out this record, this live record as sort of a stop gap. Everyone assumes that they're putting it out because they're breaking up. But no, they're not breaking up because they got a talking heads has to put out something better than genius of love so they decide to stay together and make another record and they end up making another record quite a

breakthrough um that is the end of the story here adam anything you want to add about this period of talking heads i don't think so bro anything you want to say about the years 1981 or 1982 that you were going through i just remember it being a big deal when john belushi died yeah speaking of coven roberts seeing it on the front page of the newspaper after the night before staying up all night with my friend Kemper watching the Blues Brothers and all that, because I was just like peak Belushi. So into all that stuff. What affected you more, John Lennon dying or John Belushi?

Oh, John Belushi for sure. I think John Lennon was what, 1980? I was too young to understand. I remember my brother saying it and my mom reacting but i don't remember understanding what that was meant what's interesting to me is because my parents actually had beatles records in the house and i grew up loving the beatles ever since i was like four years old yeah i was really more um i i was i was really upset about the the john lennon dying but i was even more upset that they preempted little house on the prairie to with news coverage

of it and i was i mean that night was little house on the prairie night at my house i mean john lennon is a cultural figure but when am i going to see this episode of Little House on the Prairie? It's far more important to know what happened to the Ingalls. I was really upset about it. And then, and then when John Belushi died, I didn't even hear about it. I think.

I remember watching Chips on a Friday night and it was my favorite show. And during the end credits, they announced that it would move to Sunday nights. Then the following week, Chips has a new night. And I remember looking at my dad and just realizing I won't be able to watch it anymore because it starts at eight and goes to nine. And Sunday nights are a school night and I will no longer be able to watch it. And I just started crying. I was inconsolable.

Oh, these are the problems that you and I had back in the day. If you missed something. It was gone. Have I told you about, okay, so A-Team was my favorite show. Oh, yeah. And, but I never saw the first episode the two-hour pilot right and it finally was going to be repeated but i was where was i i went to that howard johnson's in new york i was on my one week new york back east trip and we looked at the schedule and I told, I told my mom,

I was like, please, I gotta, I gotta see this. This is important. I've, I, you know,

this is the only time they're ever going to repeat it. We looked at the schedule and it looked like we were getting into, I believe Maine, um, on a plane. And if we got to the bed and breakfast, um, within like an hour and a half that we were staying at, I'd be able to see it.

And we got off the plane. We rented the car. And then my dad got lost. And I remember it was so tense because everyone knew this was like the most important thing to me. It's like Rain Man with Judge Wapner. Yeah. And I was just like, it was so tense in the car. And my sister started crying. Oh, God. And i was just like it was so tense in the car and my sister started crying

oh god um and it was just so tense and then finally we figured our way out of the airport got to the bed and breakfast and i remember the the people who owned the bed and breakfast were this like older couple and they they said like well apparently uh we hear it's really important for you to watch this television program huh i was like uh-huh uh-huh and so i watched the the pilot of the a-team and they had a different actor playing face and uh and i remember thinking like i don't even remember liking it just like checking it off the list of like oh yeah okay i saw it i saw it and then within another year i think think I hated the 18. Right. It's just such, like, when you're a kid, I don't know, how do you, okay, Adam, you're a parent. How do you explain to your kid that stuff like this isn't important?

Well, you kind of, you try not to frame it like that because it is important. Because it is important to them. Yeah. And the is important to them. But yeah. And the stakes are that high. Can you ever say like in five years, you're going to look. We say that all the time, but. But it doesn't work. Because it's important.

After granting them the. Right. Kind of their feelings and the fact that this is important. Yeah. You also can slide that in that this is stuff that feels huge now yeah but it'll be okay and but you you know you also have to remember that that stuff you know it's the same emotional uh it's the emotional equivalent of now like you know the election or something that does mean a lot to a job or whatever it is all of these are just distractions i guess but um i don't know yeah we're all gonna die yeah we're all gonna die anyway great place to end this um we will see you next episode for a seminal

album in talking heads history but until But until then, Adam and I certainly hope that you find what you're looking for! Bye! Thank you.