U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - U Talkin' Talking Heads 2 My Talking Head? - Naked (w/ Busy Philipps)

Episode Date: December 16, 2020

Actress, author, raconteur Busy Philipps (Busy Philipps is Doing Her Best, Freaks and Geeks) joins Scott and Scott to discuss Talking Heads’ eight and final studio album “Naked.” They also talk about when Busy first heard of Talking Heads, the time she watched David Byrne perform at The Hollywood Bowl, and meeting David Byrne. Plus, the Scotts rank all of the Talking Heads records from least favorite to favorite.

From Ida Zimbra, this is You Talkin' Talking Heads to My Talkin' Head. What? The comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things talking heads. This is good.

Rock and roll. Music? Hey! Welcome back to the show. This is our final episode, if you can believe it. Episode, I believe, 13. We managed to do 13 episodes. This was just a little podcast we were going to do to pass the time this summer while we were in quarantine, and it turned into a 13-episode thing. My name is Scott Aukerman, and I'm one of the hosts of You Talkin' Talkin' Heads to My Talking Head, and I have to introduce uh my co-host he's the man with the comost uh and the comb over uh to hide his bald spot please welcome adam scott hey everybody uh so you know about my bald spot then oh yeah definitely i mean you're not fooling anybody

with that i mean if you watch parks and rec, it is just, it's really apparent. Really? See, I thought I had done a good job of combing over the bald spot that takes up most of my head. It's not even really a spot. It's more, it's like saying the 101 Dalmatians have a few spots, you know? Oh, man, they have a lot. Yeah. They really do. Wait, is this an episode of you talking 101 Dalmatians to me?

Yeah. Yeah. From one to 101 Dalmatians, that is. If she doesn't stay, no evil thing will. From 1 to 101, Dalmatians that is, this is You Talkin' 101 Dalmatians to Me, the comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things 101 Dalmatians. Look, we even talk about 102 Dalmatians. This is good doggy Disney cinema. This is Scott.

And this is Scott. Hey, everybody. Hey, everybody. And we're talking about the Dals. Oh, I love just a good chunk of Dal. Especially at the holiday times. First of all, is 101 Dalmatians a Christmas movie? That's like asking, is Die Hard a Christmas movie?

You know what I mean? I mean, is Die Hard a Christmas movie? Wait, is this an episode of I Love Films? Yes. Hey everyone, welcome to I Love Films. This is Scott. And this is Scott. And on I Love Films, we like to ask questions that have never been asked before in the history of discussion of cinema. And today we got a hot one for you. Is Die Hard a Christmas movie? See, it's crazy. People don't think of it as a Christmas movie. They think of it as like a big action extravaganza.

And it came out in the summer, didn't it? It came out in the summer. But you know what? It's a Christmas movie. What's weird is it's set during Christmas. And Die Hard 2 was set during Christmas too. And people don't know that. And Die Hard 2 is a Christmas movie.

Face it, folks. They're both Christmas movies. So is Batman Returns. That's a Christmas movie as well. It's a Christmas movie. So is Christmas Story. Christmas Story, it's a wonderful life. You wouldn't notice it.

It's a Christmasmas movie it's a christmas movie how the grinch stole christmas uh guess what it's a fucking christmas movie uh hello lethal weapon hello uh uh uh uh godfather 2 christmas godfather 2, Christmas. Godfather 2 is a Christmas movie. And Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Christmas movie. All Christmas movies. Santa Claus the movie, Christmas movie. That's a Christmas movie.

The Santa Claus. Fat Man is a Christmas movie. Fat Man is obviously a Christmas movie. So look, I can't think of a movie that's not a Christmas movie at this point. There are no movies that aren't Christmas movies. We'll see you next time. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Anyway, those dows are awesome.

I love dows. We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Cruella de Vil. Cruella de Vil. If she doesn't stay, no evil thing will.

A couple of good ones. Yeah, good eps. A couple of good ones. Two for one there. That was a twofer. Why were we... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're talking about your bald spot.

Anyway, yeah, it's plain as the hair on your head, which is kind of, there's not a lot of it these days, if you know what I mean. Too bad, too sad. So sad. Adam, it's the holidays. Of course, we're a couple weeks out from that fat man coming down the chimney

i love this time of year um i love chestnuts uh i love look i love cold chestnuts as much as the next guy but if you start roasting them on an open fire. Oh, come on. Get out of town. Seriously, get the fuck out of town. I like doing that. Will you get the fuck out of town right now? Get out of town or I'm going to murder you. Leave town now. I love curling up by the fire with a good book and having the Christmas tree.

And I don't know about you, but this is something that is, people don't really think of it, but I like it. And I don't want to spoil anything for anyone else, but I'm just going to say it. I like the smell of the Christmas tree. It reminds me of Christmas. I've never noticed that. Yeah, it has a smell. I love the shape of it, the geometric conical shape of it.

I love the shape of a tree. It's conical. Particularly a Christmas tree. I love a conical shape. I love sitting down next to the fire with a good book. My favorite book is probably the March 2001 Hustler. That's a great book. Just a Christmas morning sitting down next to the fire with a hustler.

I like waiting for my family to come downstairs. I like laying down in front of the fire with like a game of chess. But while I'm playing chess, I love reading Penthouse Forum. Out loud. Out loud to my kids. Look, they got gotta learn these things how else are they gonna learn about you know these tropes of the pizza delivery guy and right the guy coming to fix the plumbing or a plumber i guess you could call him the male stripper who gets the the people who hired him so horny that they all take turns on him.

There's a new neighbor, you know, wants to help with lifting stuff and bringing it into the house. But some wonderful times. We hope that you're out there and you're having an okay holiday season. Obviously, 2020 has not been what we expected, but... I called it though.

I called the whole thing. You did when in 2019? Yeah. What'd you say? It was, I think it was our episode, our last episode of last year. I said,

well, do we have the tape on it? Do we have? Oh yeah, I can play the tape. Scott, this is great. It's great. I love that 2019 is wrapping up. I love that the tape. Scott, this is great. It's great.

I love that 2019's wrapping up. I love that we're almost done, but I cannot wait for 2020. See, 2020, I know everyone's really excited, but I think we need to just cool our jets a little bit. You want cool jets? Why? Well, because I feel like the jets are just a little hot, and I feel like this coming year could be more trouble than we expect. Okay.

We'll have cool jets then. You think the jets are getting too hot? I think the jets are piping hot right now as far as expectations for a kick-ass year. I think we need to just cool them a little bit. Maybe just dip them in ice water. All right, we can cool these jets. These jets are too hot. Okay, great.

Thanks. So it sounded to me on that clip that you were more concerned with the temperature of the jets. Well, I felt like in general, the jets at the end of 19 were getting too warm. Too warm. I guess that's primarily what I was concerned with.

Yeah, I guess you're right. Were you talking about the football team, the Jets? Yeah. They were all, I saw a game, I guess it was in December, I saw a Jets game. And they all looked just piping hot, like they just needed a rest. Because of all that steam coming off of them? Yeah, there was steam coming off of them and they all look just piping hot like they just needed a rest because of all that that steam coming off of them yeah there was steam coming off of them and they were super sweaty i was just like what's going on with the jets interesting um well in any case uh you know we

hope that you've gotten your shopping done we want to uh say there's a bunch of stuff in the store uh if you want to give a box set of all of our episodes um you uh we've we've put them all on 24 karat gold discs that we've turned into a necklace every episode limited edition limited edition it's uh you can buy that at uh who gives a fuck.com yeah exactly and what where did you say who gives a fuck.com i think yeah yeah we got that url who gives a fuck.com but remember it's limited edition we only pressed like 44 000 copies yeah so uh make sure to get one uh as soon as you can because they're going to be gone and uh what anything else going on during the holidays for you well i just I just, I love the holidays. I love just Christmas.

You know, I love the sights and the smells. I love that Christmas tree, the shape of it. I love a conical shape of a Christmas tree. What else is conical like a Christmas tree is? You can't even say a pyramid is because a pyramid has sides. Yeah, no, a pyramid is not conical. I think that's's everyone knows that

yeah uh i see that's part of the reason i like the shape of a christmas tree because there's nothing like it it's unique it's it's like a football you can't say anything in the world is the shape of a football other than a football same thing for a christmas tree yeah you look at that shape and you're like that's a fucking christmas tree bro it's a fucking christmas tree get the fuck out of my face you ever go uh uh to one of those uh parking lots where they sell those yeah yeah yeah yeah i love that those are beautiful christmas too they're beautiful even when the christmas trees are gone you know why because i love the smell i know that's not like a- Asphalt. Future that people think of. I love the smell of parking lots.

Yeah. The newly painted parking spaces. You know, real talk though, I did get a fake tree probably about six or seven years ago, and we just put that together every year. Yeah. Saved so much time and money. What about, how do you get the smell though? Just farts. Christmas trees smell like farts, don't they? Yeah, that's the smell that I love. They smell like farts.

You know, it couldn't and wouldn't, in fact, be the holiday season if we didn't go to the uh wikipedia page for fart and play the sound on it just want to make sure is that the only sound they have is a as a it's the only sound on any wikipedia page they're like we got to make sure we put this on any wikipedia page they're like we gotta make sure we put this on a wikipedia for some reason every time you play it a word comes up and it says prout yeah p-r-o-u-t no idea why they uh derived terms include vaginal flatulence otherwise known as a queef oh god they put that on the wikipedia yeah they do but they have no sound effect for that unfortunately um but it is that really is unfortunate i should say by the way adam we are talking about the record naked today the final talking heads Talking Heads album, and we have a guest. We have a guest.

She is a friend of ours who has a, look, an IMDb page as long as, you know, your penis, you know? I mean, it's long, baby. I mean, it's long, baby. She's done Freaks and Geeks, Cougar Town, Dawson's Creek, Busy Tonight, so many shows, Busy Phillips. Yeah, I love Busy. Busy, I think I can call Busy a good friend. She's a terrific person, So funny and just the coolest. I call her an acquaintance. Oh, wow.

But so good. And, you know, from the Thrilling Adventure Hour show, we did several shows together there. She's great. And she is a big fan of Talking Heads and Mr. Burns. So we're going to be talking about the final record, Nick It. You know what?

I'm glad. I know she was maybe going to come on the show early on, but I'm glad we got her for the final episode. Yeah. Just under the wire. Just under the wire. Do you remember Bird on a Wire, the Mel Gibson,

Goldie Hawn? Fuck yeah, I do. What a pairing. Is this an episode of I Love Films? I think it is. Everyone, welcome to I Love Films. This is Scott.

And this is Scott. And we're talking about great films here on I Love Films, including, and not necessarily limited to, Bird on a Wire. Ugh, what a great film. I remember when Bird on a Love Films, including and not necessarily limited to Bird on a Wire. What a great film. I remember when Bird on a Wire came out summer of 89. It was such a big deal and it was like the blockbuster of the year.

It was huge. Oh, people are still talking about Bird on a Wire. Bird on a Wire. John Badham, great director. More like John Goodham. Yeah, exactly. I mean, great films. Nick of Time, another great John Badham. Yeah, exactly. I mean, great films. Nick of Time, another great John Badham. So good.

Everyone loves Nick of Time. You know, on I Love Films, we like to talk about subject matter that has never been discussed before. Yeah. And I have a question for you, Adam, and no one has ever thought of this question. Can you name any movie adaptation of a book that's better than the book

has anyone ever posed that question before no i i no one ever has because people just don't think of it that they don't even think of it that way the book is always better than the movie but i was watching jaws the other day you know the super big guy example yeah that's better than the book i'm so glad that you said it um because i feel like if i said it i would just get murdered but it is better than the book you know what else the godfather better than the book you're right you're right it's better there is this weird part and have you ever read the godfather no there's There's a weird whole chapter, I think. You read The Godfather?

Yeah, with one of the wife of one of the gangsters. I can't remember who it is. Has an extra large vagina. Really? It's very strange. It's a very weird book. Now, that book was huge, but it was more like an airport novel. Yeah, exactly.

And so was Chaz the Super Big Guy. Yeah. Is Godfather like a good book or is it just sort of – No, it's terrible. What about Chaz the Super Big Guy? Super Big Guy, again, a terrible piece of kind of genre fiction that is structured very weird. a fiction that is structured very weird and that, and reading both of those by the fire the other night, that's what led me to realize that sometimes a movie is better than a book,

but we wouldn't even think that because movies are based on books and these books are classic pieces of literature. So how could the movie ever compare? But sometimes it happens. Yeah. It's really, really crazy, but it happened look it happened twice and then other than that uh did it happen has it ever happened um i think

pulp fiction's probably better than the book yeah star wars star wars is probably better than the book um i think the great dictator is probably better than the book mein kampf is what i'm talking about yeah um and i think um borat's it's kind of up in the air to me, because that book is really good. Because it delves into the whole socio-political climate of Kazakhstan. And it gives you a lot of background that the movie doesn't really give you, you know? But it's really interesting. Yeah, but they don't have time. They can't, like, go into every single... Well, that's the thing.

When you read a great book, oh my God, you can get lost in it and just spend days, if not weeks, if not months, if not years, if not decades, if not centuries reading a book. Sometimes I like to take a month and just read the same sentence over and over and over and over. A particularly well-constructed sentence from a great writer. My favorite sentence in any book by a great writer, the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. See, I could read that sentence for two months. Over and over. Also, another great sentence. It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. I read that sentence for three months. Three months just- Because it's so good. Read it for an hour straight going back. That's right.

Whenever you see the, usually there's a little dot at the end of the sentence, and that's the period, and that tells you the sentence is over. Right. Once you see that period, that's a good time to go back to the first capital letter, which is usually where the start of the sentence is, unless you're reading E.E. Cummings am I right? Yeah there's not much punctuation there but that was part of his style.

He also did lowercase. I think was mainly what I was talking about but I see. In any case yeah just read it over and over for an hour take an hour break and then read it over and over for the next 22 hours and that's a day. Yeah and then do that like 60 more times and then you then read it over and over for the next 22 hours. And that's a day.

Yeah. And then do that like 60 more times. And then you've read it for two months and you can move on to the next sentence. Oh my God. Can you imagine? What a life of life. I can't wait to retire so I can do that. Anyway, the E.E. Cummings, that movie, I forget which book of his it was. It was way better than the book. It was way better. Anyway, this is I Love Films. See you next time. Bye. Goodbye.

Pretty good. Two Epsom one. That was really good. Good to hear from those guys twice. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe we'll hear from them again. Maybe.

Although this might be their last episodes. That's true. Adam, are we ever going to do another show after this one, or is this it? That's a good question. I know everyone has sent us suggestions, usually based on the title more than them wanting to hear us talk about a band. But if there's anyone whose discography you want us to break down let us know

obviously what's the one you get suggested the most often would you say people talk about Radiohead but I think that would be kind of boring

I know me too Radiohead is the one but I think people with an interesting story is interesting like Prince or David Bowie would be interesting

but part of the issue is you need to be relatively familiar with the records and you uh because you don't want to do any homework right yeah i i think tom petty would be a good one because tom petty actually has a cool story i just uh watched that uh four hour doc about tom petty yeah the bogdanovich one. Bogdanovich one, yeah. And did you see my Instagram? I posted... No. There's two... I posted two clips. Let me see if I can play them here on...

In fact, him being interviewed? Well, it's two of his band members being interviewed. Hold on one second and I'll find it. And the music. There are so many great Tom Petty records. Yes. Like, Jesus Christ. Tom Petty's great.

Okay, here are the two clips that I played from the Tom Petty documentary. Here's the first one. documentary. Here's the first one. I did the program, and somebody said, what are you doing next year? And I said, well, nothing. I said, he said, well, you know, you want to come out on the road and play with us? And I said, well, I'd love to.

Okay, and here's the second clip. On a couple of tracks, on the last DJ, I remember on one of the last nights tom just asking me you know what was i doing that summer and i go nothing brother you know and he asked me if i you know want to go out and do some gigs so the moral of this story is if tom petty ever asks you what are you doing next summer you gotta say nothing and then he'll offer you a job then then you'll be on the road both both incredible stories that they got out of those guys it's just i was watching and both of them said the exact

same thing tom said what are you doing next summer i said nothing he said do you want to come out and play i said yes oh boy oh i mean there's a little more to it than that in the sense of one of the guys replaced their longtime drummer, and that was how he found out he was the replacement. And then the other guy was there. Oh, Stan Lynch? The other guy was their bassist who came back after a long hiatus, and that's how he got to be the regular bassist again. But I just thought those stories were so- You start getting a sense of why it's four hours long when you hear stuff like that i will say i remember that because i called it being the tom petty fan that i was i

remember when into the great wide open came out and they were doing press they were on the cover of rolling stone and stan lynch in the interview of the rolling stone cover story talked shit about the album and called um what's that one song on into the great wide open that sounds a lot like free fallen uh might be into the great world for all the wrong reasons oh okay he called it re-fallen oh interesting and i was like i was like this dude's gonna get fucking kicked out of the band you can't say stuff like that and so just shut up and take your paycheck yeah exactly and he did get i think it was like the next i think they did the song on the best of they did mary jane's last dance and that was the last thing he ever did and then he

was gone yeah then he was gone um but uh that's a little preview if we end up doing a petty podcast. God, that is so good. You know, Mark Maron had Mike Campbell on just the other day. One of the only white guys to decide that dreads were a look that worked for him. An okay thing to do. Yep, him and Counting Crows, Adam Duritz. do yep him and counting crows adam duritz well that send us your suggestions and uh remember it's got to be something that adam has listened to and knows because he doesn't want to listen to anything new that's not true i would do i know david bowie uh i guess prince like really diving

into prince records from like after the late eighties would be. Well, his discography gets to be very messy once he leaves Warner brothers. That's the thing. You can do a, you can do a Warner brothers from a 78 to 91 or 92 or 93. Maybe it's his last Warner brothers. Those are his hits years.

I mean, he has seems manageable. He only had one hit after he left and that was The Most Beautiful Girl in the World and then

hits dried up for him. So it was like Cream and stuff? Was that still Warner Brothers? Yeah, yeah. That was, Cream was a 92.

That was, yeah. That was on Diamonds and Pearls. 91, yeah. Yeah, anyway. So that like, his Warner Brothers brothers years yeah we

could do uh because he put out probably 10 records anyway i don't know why we're looking to do another show i don't want to spend any more time with you i don't either are you sick of me no i'm not and uh i ended up having a lot more time here uh new York than I thought I would. Well, this is – it really has been a – you know, we decided to spend our time entertaining America and ourselves. I guess ourselves more than America. Probably. The ratio is more leaning towards us at this point. But we've enjoyed doing this show. This sounds like it should be our final segment, but it's our first segment.

But we do need to take a break um when we come back we're gonna have busy phillips will be with us and we're going to be talking about naked and then after that we are going to rank our talking heads records you're going to see what our least favorite is to our favorite and we are going to wrap up the talking head story all of that and more all in a super sized episode uh we are going to be right back with more you talking talking heads to my talking head well we know we'll be right back but we don't know where we've been and we know what we're knowing But we can't say what we know Welcome back. You talking, talking heads to my talking head.

And today we are talking about the album Naked. And we have a very special guest, Adam, and this is exciting to me at least, if not you. Well, it can be exciting to both of us. Sure, but I'm saying that I know that it's exciting to me, but I have no idea if it's exciting to you as we have not talked about this as of yet. It's exciting to me. Get off my dick. All right. Note taken.

Note taken. I will not be on your dick. She is a wonder. Regretting that she's doing the show. She's a wonderful actress. Although last time I talked to to her she said she was retired so i don't know but uh uh she's a an internet personality an instagram star a talk show host uh i would imagine she probably has a podcast uh and uh look she's famous and that's what we look

for in a guest because all's all we care about. If we were talking to some no-name asshole, who would give a shit, right? But she has not only a name, but two names that I know of. Probably a third as well, which I don't know. Please welcome to the show, Busy Phillips. Hello. Hello. Do you have that third name?

Do you have a middle one? Here's the thing. You know my given name is Elizabeth? That's right. We talked about this on the show where I tried to get, I believe your Wikipedia was adjusted since you were on Comedy Bang Bang because I asked you, I asked you point blank because there was a dispute on your Wikipedia about who gave you that name.

Oh, the babysitter. Yes, the babysitter versus your mom. And you cleared it up for us. And so now I believe I'm on your Wikipedia page as a source. gave you that name oh the babysitter yes the babysitter or your versus your mom and you cleared it up for us and so now i believe i'm on your wikipedia page as a source okay so yeah so elizabeth jean phillips is my full given name sorry about the sirens wait i can't close the door it's just that guys it's new york is that a recording you're playing no why do you have a sound effects record playing in the background um No, but I have the windows open because we cleaned. It's December.

It's hot as hell in New York. I got to tell you something. It is weirdly balmy. It is. I took a walk today. It's balmy outside. God, this is podcasting. It's balmy, and I took a walk today.

Jesus Christ. Interesting. But I feel like Jean sounds weird with busy. It sounds like Billie Jean. Oh, Billie Jean. Yeah. Billie Jean sung by disgraced singer Michael Jackson. Or Billie Jean King.

Oh, that's right. We could just go there. I mean, I just, I don't love the way it sounds together. So I think that if it's busy, it's just busy Phillips. Do you ever think you might pull a John Cougar Mellencamp and just be Elizabeth Jean Phillips at some point? No, no. I tried. The last time I tried, I was in first grade to be Elizabeth Phillips.

How did it go? I tried to be Elizabeth. It did not go great. So you came to kindergarten as busy. Yes. The most interesting name that everyone would remember. And you were like, got to change this. I thought that first grade, no, we moved to Arizona for first grade.

And I thought like. Just like King Tut. Yeah. Born in Babylon, moved to Arizona. It's very similar. And I thought, well, I'm a grown up kid now. I'm going into first grade. And so I should be called.

I won't. I won't. Because you always also, if you have a nickname, Scott, you wouldn't know this, Adam. I had a nickname in college, but go ahead. What was your nickname in college? I asked people to call me Jackson, kind of as a joke. But made people do it for two years. Starting freshman year or starting in the middle of college?

It was an acting school I went to. So it was a two year program. OK, because there was this guy in my college at Loyola Marymount University who like junior year decided he wanted to go. His name was Kevin.

And junior year, he was like, I actually want to go by my middle name, Matt. But Matt, Matt. But then no one like the thing you put outside your door. So, Matt, but then no one could remember outside your door. So, yeah.

So, so he just became Kevin, Matt, because you couldn't or Matt, Kevin, depending on who you were talking to. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. I think Kevin's Kevin's are weird, aren't they? People named Kevin. Listen, always. Yeah. name kevin listen always yeah it's just a weird name to want to going from one totally middle of the road white guy name to another kevin to matt yeah it's a lateral move to matt yeah well i went elizabeth whoa kevin kevin just came on the zoom flipping off his middle fuck finger to us. The bird. Kaz. Big bird.

Now, Busy, wait, your babysitter came up with the nickname because you were so busy? Scott, my goal in life is to be on every single podcast that you have and tell this exact story. Just check her Wikipedia, Adam. I got the scoop on this already. Scott's podcast. Also, me neither, but listen.

Including this one. What? I do, you know, I do enjoy Talking Heads and David Byrne so much, but. So you made an exception of being on my shows. Because you love them so much. I just, I love, I love David Byrne so much. So, so much. Well, let's, let's, let's talk about it.

Okay, I'll check Wikipedia then, I guess is what's happening. Yeah, you're going to have to. Yes, please. Stop wasting our time, Adam. I can't wait. This show is not about wasting time. It's about getting down to biz. You're right. All right.

Well, we, we need to talk about this busy year. Obviously you, you started as an actress. You were on such incredible shows, such as freaks and geeks and Dawson's Creek from geeks. From geeks to freaks to creeks, as I once said. You did say that one time. Geeks to freaks to creeks.

Yes. The first time Scott and I met in person, I was salty with him because he was like, I host a TV show about freaks and geeks. And we've had everybody on the cast has been on the show. And I was like, you didn't ask me to be on the show. Do you remember that? I'd backstage at jet Largo.

And you're like, no, we would love to have you on the show. And I was like, Oh, are you still doing the show? And you're like, no,

it's, I think it's, we're done. But to be fair, they were interstitials that IFC was giving me in order to test me as a host, to give me a real TV show. And we had Judd Apatow and that was it, I believe.

No, you said you, I swear to God, at Largo, you were like, yeah, we're like talking to everybody in the cast. And I was like, what? No, you never hit me. Maybe, well, maybe, I think maybe Seth did. So one way or the other, Scott was bullshitting. Probably. But like, also, I just didn't know him at all personally. And I was just like, what the what?

Well, I think I think what it was was I think I think that the freaks and geeks had just been sold to IFC for syndication. That's right. So IFC wanted me to do these like interstitials and interviewing the people like going in and out and then they told me who would do it they were like okay we have judd apatow doing it we have seth rogan doing it yeah yeah or paul who paul who was doing paul did fig do it i don't even remember it was so long ago i'd barely even remember i remember no i can't believe you remember this i just remember it because it was the first time I met you and I felt like it made an impression. I felt dissed, but then I was like, do I care?

You know what I mean? But not in a way like, no, no, no. Of course. But Scott, I feel slighted literally by everything always. Well, that's true. And then I do have to say, I asked you to do the Comedy Bang Bang television show and you never got back to me so no i i did do no i tried to but this i couldn't do it it was the christmas one i remember don't all actors always feel

slighted by stop trying to mediate this this is between me and busy adam but you know what i sorry go ahead no i'm just gonna have anything to do with what you're talking about, but I'm jealous of your microphone. It looks like so much more fun than this. Like, you get to hold it like you're hosting Match Game. Yeah. Adam obviously was the peacemaker in his family, always trying to break up fights by changing the subject.

I like that, though. I appreciate it. I was kind of the peacemaker myself, but now I changing the subject. I like that, though. I appreciate it. I was kind of the peacemaker myself. But now I'm the fighter. I tell you, every time I, I'm not going to say what particular episode of Comedy Bang Bang it was that I wanted you for because I don't like to insult another actor who did a fine job. But every time I watch that episode, I'm like, God, Busy would have been so good in this.

Is it the one I did? I think, well, I'm like, God, Busy would have been so good in this. Was it the one I did? I think it was. Well, I feel like I remember what it was. I feel like I really wanted to do it, and I was so excited to do it. I'm sure you were busy doing whatever you were doing back in the early 2010s. I think it was Cool Town still. Was it really? Okay.

Well, this leads me into my question, Busy, is you've done all of those acting roles. Yeah. You then segued into having a very popular Instagram feed, which then gave you an incredible talk show. You were a groundbreaking talk show. A book deal. I mean, you have so much going on. It just leads me to wonder, what was the first time you heard of talking heads i mean definitely mtv early 80s like mtv was always on in my house so the so the

videos it was probably what was your electric bill like i don't know i don't know but i do know that we did not have a vhs player we had beta and then yeah and then my dad felt real burned by that beta machine oh and so then he was real cagey about technology after that so would he always wait he wouldn't be a first adopter he would always kind of wait is he a first responder no? No, he was not. He's an engineer. Oh, okay. I bought an HD DVD player. Yeah, instead of a DVD player? No, instead of Blu-ray.

Oh, instead of Blu-ray, right. What about iPhones? Did he wait a good five years on those? I don't think my dad has an iPhone. Really? No, yeah. I'm pretty sure he doesn't. I'm almost positive my father has just like a flip phone cell phone. Well, it makes sense. I mean, the iPhone technology,

we're still not sure if that's going to catch on or not. It might not. So, so MTV is always on. So you saw, do you remember the first video that you saw? It was probably once in a Lifetime. Probably was. Yeah, that was probably their big. I feel like it was probably that. Autographed by Tony Basil. But yeah, and the gray suit,

like I just remember like obviously the gray suit, that feels imprinted on anyone in Generation X, any Gen Xers, the gray suit is like, remember like a couple of years ago, Rihanna wore an oversized gray suit and I was like, Oh, it's the gray suit. Yeah. It's coming back. It's coming back. She's been raiding this closet. But like all of, all of like, yeah, I mean, this must be the place. And I don't know, all of those songs. They were, but I wasn't like, like in the, I'll just be honest, you know, I wasn't like a fan of Talking Heads or David Byrne. Even in the 90s, I was like, you know, I was listening to like Garbage, basically.

The band Garbage. The band, literally the band Garbage. I loved it. Which is great. So you were listening to great music. So what was it that got you? Because you're currently, like the past few years, you've been like obsessed with David Byrne. So what was it that kind of turned the corner?

What flipped the switch for you? Well, actually, I want to say 14 years ago when Mark and I started dating. Oh, 15 years ago? 15 years ago when Mark and i started dating oh 15 years ago 15 years ago when mark and i started dating like one of the earliest dates we went on was to the hollywood bowl to see arcade fire who were opening for david byrne interesting Cool concert. Yes. Yes. And so at that point, I was not like... David Byrne's playing the Hollywood Bowl in 2005?

Yeah. Crazy. And actually... I wouldn't think that he could... Because I saw him around, like, at that... What's that?

The El Rey. Like, around that. So it's crazy that he could go with Arcade Fire like that. Yeah, I guess. No, but you know what? It. Yeah, I guess. No, but you know what?

It was like right when arcade fire came out. And I think that I bet you anything. It was like one of those KCRW shows. Oh yeah. Where it's like, yeah, it's like the radio station. It's a buyout.

It's not like, it's not purely David Byrne, like going, Hey, I'm going to play the Hollywood bull now. We don't know. I feel like it was kind of. We listen. So so that show was wild.

So Mark, because he was trying to impress me, bought tickets that were just too close. Like, you know, you guys have been to the Hollywood Bowl and you know how they have like the pool area. Yeah. Okay, that's guys at home. If you don't know the Hollywood Bowl, you should. No, but... That's sort of a mosh pit.

It's like the mosh pit. But for certain, June 27th, 2005, David Byrne and Arcade Fire at the Hollywood Bowl, guys. I just Googled it. Does it say KCRW or anything like that? No.

No, I remember this tour, and it was a big deal because Arcade Fire were breaking. Yeah. Arcade Fire opened, and Byrne teamed up with them on his set. This is from brooklynvegan.com, guys. Anyway, I'm multitasking. So Mark got us these tickets. The pool wasn't used as like a mosh pit for this show. It was, they had tables and seats.

Are they tables actually in the pool? They had tables and seats. This was 2005, Scott. Oh, back when tables and seats were invented. So we were on, we were just like right in the the front right next to that part where people can walk around you know yeah the uh there's like a circular barrier uh in between the pit and the tables and stuff that are and and the boxes that people sit in and there's a there's kind of a little wall it's the barrier and occasionally occasionally you'll see a performer like run around on the wall you know and kind of like

harry connick jr i saw there once like dancing around that wall behind uh behind people and stuff that's his butt yeah shaking his little butt and going like hey everyone i'm harry connick jr check out my little butt so the reason why i bring all of this up we were just very close and arcade fire went on and it was incredible like so amazing and i'm not good at remembering people's names but you know the brother like win butler's brother and yeah and then Jerry Butler. No, what's his name? No, but his brother's in the band, right? Gerard Butler? Gerard Butler, yes.

Gerard Butler, yes. That was the first night that he joined the band. He had just graduated from college. Interesting. And they did this whole thing about him joining the band, and that was the first show that he played. And it was so cool. And then-

Crazy. You know, I was at the first show that, Will Butler is his name, by the way. Thanks, Kevin. I was at the first show that Gwen Stefani did with No Doubt when she was like 15. No. Or 16, yeah.

Where? At this tiny club in Orange County. Is that where you're from? You're from Orange County? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was seeing Fishbone, and then they opened for Fishbone. And her brother was the leader of the band, and he was like, hey, my sister's going to sing some songs with us. Was it amazing?

Did it feel electric? You know what? She had an interesting voice back then. Okay. All right. Rave review. Okay, wait. So David Byrne played.

I was already like so into it. And then David Byrne came out and I was, I just fell totally in love. And all the songs that like I kind of had remembered that were, had been imprinted on me as a young person child in the 80s you know he played all the hits it was incredible and I just was mesmerized by him but he also brought out this wild marching band called the extra action marching, to jam with him. And it was this, you know, marching band of misfits, like, just wild. Was it sort of like the Jim Rose Sideshow Circus

of marching bands in a way? Yes, exactly. And they went out all around the pit. So we were like right there. And as this one marching band member was coming toward us like basically they're on top of us i was like oh my is that this is 2005 i have to say again this is 2005 i was like oh my god wait what and she was free bleeding down both of her legs she was wearing

like a band uniform kind of they were all wearing like kind of fucked up band uniforms with like held together by safety pins and whatever and she was free bleeding down her legs which was something i didn't know existed or was a thing and then and also at that in that moment i was like oh it's an accident. She's not trying to bleed down her legs. But now I know what free bleeding is, and I'm sure that she was, because they were very fucking punk rock. And anyway, it was just like a very – that show had a major impression on me in 2005, and then I got way back into David Byrne. So, let me – sorry to interject, but now that your husband doesn't want to impress you anymore, where are your seats now when you go see a show? Well, Adam knows my husband well.

I see him at Tender Greens often. He loves that soup, Scott. He loves the soup. Big TG, guys. Back when Tender Greens was open, I would see him all the time and I would sit down and talk to him for a while. So I know him just as well as Adam. I know what you mean, though, Busy, about being too close. You would think it's just a thrill, but there's times when you're so close you don't get the scope of the show.

You don't get what the show is supposed to look and feel like because you're so close you have no perspective. And it's embarrassing because you're so close. have no perspective and it's like embarrassing because you're so close they can see everything you do you can see you feel like you have to be on your best behavior yeah like when the national played the hollywood bowl we were sitting where you were sitting and it's like you got you feel like you can't even go to the bathroom because like you know they're looking right at you you know to check your to check you know hey how we doing you know, they're looking right at you, you know, to check your, to check, you know, hey, how we doing? Yes. After every song, they look in your eye and go, oh, what do you think?

Or is it, are we, and I just, I don't know. Yeah, it was, and it's too intimate. And also, like, the sound is never the best when you're that close. Like, you really want to be by the soundboard, you know. What you want to be is between Chaim and Rashida, essentially. That's correct. Which is where Adam and I were for Vampire Weekend. That's exactly where you want to be.

No, but Mark enjoys being comfortable and having good views. Mark is a person that enjoys music. Yes, Mark wants to be on the show. And I keep saying, like, yeah, you should be on the show. Somehow you're on. We should have had be on the show. And I keep saying like, yeah, you should be on the show. Somehow you're on. We should have had Mark on the REM. We'll have him on the REM one when we do more. Yeah, he's very into REM. Yeah, yeah. That's mainly he wanted to be on the REM one. I was like, oh, yeah, we should do an episode. But not going along or not a lot going on in the REM camp right now. Not a lot going on in the REM camp right now.

REM is to Mark what Tori Amos is to me. And we both feel the same about the other band. And what Mark is to Tori Amos. Strangely, it's a big circle. I like REM enough. Like, it's fine. But sometimes I'm just like, can it just not yeah cool up cool up does not uh especially with how much i had to listen to them for our previous sister show uh and now anytime they come on she's just like change it yeah i would say i would say around 2005 and that same era

that you saw david burn that was around the time Naomi said, I've had enough REM. Like maybe you can do that on your own time. There's like three REM songs that I will not skip forward for when they come on. Shiny happy people. No, no. Strange Currency.

Oh yeah. Strange Currency. Oh, beautiful song. Great song. Strange Currency. Is it plural? Yeah, and you're supposed to say it like that with the... Strange Currency.

Like a beat later. Oh, my God, no. But wait, you guys. Once, oh, this is so weird, but a really long time ago, Michelle, my best friend, Michelle Williams, the actress, not the singer, had a birthday party here in New York, and I had flown in for it. And I mean, this is a really long time ago. And that day we had been down in Soho, like walking around and shopping and we ran into Michael Stipe and his, I think it was his boyfriend at the time.

And, and he was like talking to her like really intensely and quietly and like, you know, Michael Stipey. And I was truly though, whether or not you're a fan, like it's iconic, you know what I mean? Like it's fucking Michael Stipe. So I was just sort of like losing my shit silently. And then she was like, well, it's actually my birthday. So my best friend Busy came in to town and he looked at me and he was like, oh, hello. Like, it's nice to meet you, whatever. So quiet, the two of them talking. So quiet. And then he was like, it's your birthday, though.

And then just sang happy birthday to her, like, super quietly, like, in her ear, in the gentlest way. And then sang it in French. It was wild. Crazy. I mean, put him jumping out of a birthday cake and turn him into Marilyn Monroe and sing to JFK and now you got something. Anyway, that's my Michael Stipe story. Incredible.

That's really cool. I can't think of any other R.E.M. songs that I don't. I like Night Swimming because that's from the 90s when I was in high school. Yeah, it's a good one. Well, we're not here to talk about REM necessarily. We're here to talk about Talking Heads. So ever since that Hollywood Bowl show. But wait, I have to tell you. So after American Utopia, which I got to see twice, I think. Oh, you did? Twice on Broadway or once in a concert? Twice on cable. Great.

twice i think you did twice on broadway or once on cable great well i think i think the cable show turned out beautiful though by the way for people who i saw it at coachella i saw the show yes i saw the coachella but but not there in person i saw it on the live stream yeah okay i saw the coachella show and i was very high but i did but I did enjoy it. And then I saw it on Broadway twice. And we got to go back afterwards because the stage manager recognized me from whatever, guys. From freaks to geeks to creeps. No, no, no. Literally, we had a mutual friend.

Mutual. Yeah, I mean, whatever. Anyway, so they took us back up and I was like, oh my God, am I going to meet David Byrne? This is too much. I don't know if I can handle this.

And then he came out and it was like, there was like small people. It was definitely like just his friends and people they knew and people from the band, whatever.

And so then finally like i don't know how we sort of got our moment with david byrne but we did and i told him about that show it was he was very david byrne and i was like yeah actually uh you know this is the third time i've seen this show but i just you know whatever and i we actually one of our first dates was to the hollywood Hollywood Bowl show where you had this merging band and there was this like girl free bleeding. I went for it. And he like in the beginning of just meeting us, it was like very perfunctory.

Yeah, I was going to say transactional and like what you do and I get it and I've been there. But as soon as I mentioned that, he like lit up and then was like, that was, can I, that was the wildest thing. Oh man, you were at that show. So I didn't know how wild those guys were. And I think the Hollywood Bowl was really mad at me for bringing them because they just rolled up in this bus.

They did not smell good. And it was like, and he just got super, he just got super excited to talk about it. And then I left and I felt like I really nailed it. That's so cool. Now, were they part of the entire tour or did he bring them out just for that show at the Hollywood Bowl? I think it was just for the bowl show. Wow. when you're meeting someone and it's almost obligatory because a friend is, uh, introducing

you or something. And then a switch flips where, where they start actually enjoying the conversation that happened to, uh, with me at a party with Timothy Oliphant, where my friend introduced me to him and he was just sort of like, Oh, hi. And I said, Hey, you know what? Uh, you used to do the sports and I used to do the morning show on Indy one Oh1 and just a switch flipped and he got really into talking about Indie 103.1 and talked to me for 25 minutes about it very intensely and I was like, oh boy, wow. But that time when

someone suddenly is interested in talking to you, it's hardly ever happened to me and with Adam, he's fucking with his microphone right now, barely even listening. Adam, has it ever happened to you? Never. Where you've been interested in what I'm saying? I don't I have no idea what he's talking about someone acting like

they're interested in a conversation It's true though like especially like famous people who are doing meet and greets or whatever like you do want to be able to have the thing where you can connect with them and honestly that was all I had. It happened to us with Fish on our sister show, Analyze Fish, Adam.

Remember when we went backstage and talked to them and they didn't care? No, I think they were actually interested in talking to us because we had that show about them. Okay, what I remember being backstage at the Fizz show was them being super nice. And me being obnoxious. Do you remember that? And me tape recording them and doing an interview with them, like a mid-show interview. What do you guys have planned for the second half? Yeah, but you were being cool and asking funny questions and stuff.

But I don't remember them being like, ooh, wow wow i need to dig in with these guys i think the bass player was it was a while ago um it was um but similarly that happened at the hollywood bowl where where things like this just happen when you're uh invited backstage when you are either a celebrity or with a celebrity as i happen you know what i feel like the second u2 interview was yes where they actually the first one was all nerves, and the second one they were like, hey, guys, what's up? And you guys were friends then. And now you're friends with them too.

We were buddies, best friends, yeah. Larry made us T-shirts. Oh, so nice. So you became sort of a Mr. Burns super fan, and you would go see him. You saw the show. And what would you say? Did you go back and re listen to all of the talking heads record?

Yeah. So then, so then there, there's been just a process over many years of revisiting. This is a multi-year process. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Like first kind of just the hits,

then some deeper cuts. And then, and I mean, I'm not in any way, you know, I'm not, I don't have my own podcast about it. You know what I mean? Sure. Is there a period that you kind of are drawn to? Speaking of free bleeding. Is there a phase of Talking Meads career that you are particularly fond of? Or an album? I mean, I do love Naive Melody. This must be the place, obviously. But you know what's interesting about this album, which is weird. It's their last one as a band, right?

Yeah, it's a weird album. It's a weird album. I think it feels like where he was going as a solo artist. In the future. Well, let's not talk about that album yet because we have to get to it. Sorry, Scott. I just want to reign you in because this show has a structure even though it's hard to

believe that we know what we're doing the structure stick to the script um stick to the structure all right so we we need to take a break uh but when we come back we are going to be talking about that album that busy is chomping at the bits to talk about love it naked we are going to be right microphone like busy's we'll be also during the break adam will be investigating where he gets a microphone like busy's apparently we will be right back with more you talking talking heads my talking head after this. Welcome back. You Talkin' Talkin' Heads is my talking head.

We're here with Busy Phillips. And today we are talking about the album Naked, the final Talking Heads album. Let's go through some stats on this. Came out March 15th, 1988. March 15th, 1988. Adam, did you get this when it came out? Yeah. I remember being super excited and getting the tape of it. Oh, you got the tape. Did it have the extra song on it

that CD had or no? Sax and Violins? No, Sax and Violins is the reissue bonus track. The actual album had, oh yeah, it was on the cassette as well,

but it had the Bill, the song Bill was a cassette and CD exclusive. I don't remember. But it was on the cassette, yeah. Okay,

so I guess I did. I have a very clear memory of buying the album the day it came out at the record store across the street. And then I went to the Orange County High School of the Arts where I went to my regular high school from 8 a.m. till noon. And then I ate lunch and then I went to the School of the Arts from 2 to like, you know, 11 or whatever and i remember i got i got the record right out of uh when my first high school closed and i took it to a shakey's um where i couldn't listen to it because i didn't have a cd player in my car but i took it and i opened it up and i read the credits and i read the lyrics and oh yeah i remember being at a shakey's in los alamitos um i remember bringing

it to school and like looking at it with my friends because they had really cool art. Yeah. And all the lyrics and stuff. Yeah. So let's talk about the just the story of this. Busy, we like to talk about the Talking Heads story. So let's just talk about

exactly how this happened. So the last album was true stories, uh, which Mr. Burns directed the movie of thought it was going to be a big hit. Uh, neither the album nor the movie did,

uh, really well at all. So, um, in fact, uh, Chris farts in his book. He talks about how,

uh, he and Tina went to go see true stories in a theater. And, uh, he's, he writes that everyone walked out in the middle of it. Oh, my God. So by the end, only he and Tina were the only ones who were left. Oh, God. Not a great sign. Good slam.

No. But Mr. Burns calls them up and says, like, hey, I want to do another record. And they're all surprised because they thought that maybe he wasn't ever going to want to do another record and they're all surprised because they thought that maybe he wasn't ever going to want to do another record with them so they're all like yeah let's do it he doesn't have any songs written unlike the last two records true stories and uh little creatures he had a bunch of songs written for it but he had nothing he wanted to go back to the jamming style that they did on remain in light and, uh, other stuff where they would jam first and then, then figure out the songs from the jams.

So, um, the other thing is, is Mr. Burns tells Chris farts. He just says like, Hey, I don't want you to play in a rock and roll style.

And he doesn't say what style he wants Chris to play in. And so Chris kind of goes like, well, I'll, I'll use brushes. Okay. That sounds great so so he decides to use brushes on this record i don't know whether he does on every song but that that was how their relationship was going um the band does basic tracks and grooves in new york city and then they go to paris to this. So this was recorded in the City of Lights. Busy ever been to the City

of Lights? I have. I have in fact been there. You ever go to the top of the what do they call it? The Empire State Building? What is that? The Eiffel Tower. Eiffel Tower! No. I have not. How far you go up it? I don't remember.

Well, the last time I was in Paris was a couple years ago. Michelle, the last time I was in Paris was a couple of years ago. Michelle, my aforementioned best friend, Michelle Williams, had a deal with like Louis Vuitton and there was a fashion show and she gets like, it's this whole thing is so crazy. She gets to like bring someone and they pay for you to fly like first class. It's the nicest. It was like the nicest thing that's ever.

So I went there for three days. It was a whirlwind. Incredible. My best friend, his name's Joe and he's a plumber. Is that true? So I get invited over to people's houses to like clean their shit out. Is he really a plumber? Joe the plumber, yeah.

From the 2008 presidential election. Yeah, you remember it. Yeah, he's my best friend. I love him. It's a cool reach. Jesus. Oh my God, I fucking forgot about Joe the Plumber. Don't forget about Joe the Plumber.

I only just recall it because I'm reading that Obama book. Oh my God. Does Obama have a whole chapter in his book about Joe the Plumber? He does talk about it. I wonder if he reached out to Joe the Plumber to say, hey, oh, well, you chapter in his book about Joe the Plumber? He does talk about it for a while. I wonder if he reached out to Joe the Plumber to say, hey, oh, well, you're in my book. So they go to Paris and they jam out. Steve Lillywhite is the producer. And they pick Steve Lillywhite instead of producing it themselves because he,

actually, because they had been talking to paul mcginnis who's the uh manager of you too wait a minute is this an episode of you talking you too to me sure from boy to boots getting them them out, that is. This is You Talking U2 to Me, the comprehensive encyclopedic compendium of all things U2. This is good rock and roll music. And we're talking about...

Welcome to the show, by the way. This is Scott, and we have... And this is Scott. We have a special guest. Special guest on You Talking U2 to Me today. Busy Phillips is here the way. This is Scott. And we have... And this is Scott. We have a special guest. Special guest on you talking you two to me today. Busy Phillips is here with us. Hi. Do you like the band you two?

Thanks for doing the show. Yeah, thanks for doing the show. You know, I was so mad about that one album that showed up on my phone. You're one of them. And I'm one of those people. That's where my... Were you really mad about it? I was just like fucking annoyed.

Or was it just like internet mad? No, I wasn't. Did you feel like you had to be mad? I didn't express my anger on the internet for it because I don't like to disparage anyone else's art. But you know how, I guess when I say internet mad, I mean like the internet gets us mad about things that we don't necessarily need to be mad at. I was annoyed. I was eye-rolly annoyed. Also, I'm not great at knowing how to do stuff like getting things removed from my library.

Did you ever give it a listen, though? Or were you just like, fuck this, I'm not even going to listen? I think I did listen to it. It's good. And it's good. You know what? It was a deeply obnoxious thing to do to just force everyone to have an album. It should have just been free

and anyone could have gotten it, but instead they had to go the extra mile and force you to have it on your phone. That's because then it's not a gift. You know what I mean? If it was like, we would like to give you this gift. So if you just go and click on it,

it's yours, free. That's a gift. But to force me to have it, that's an act well that's all that's a micro aggression all christmas gifts are like this though because because you don't get the opportunity when you get a christmas gift and it's under your tree to be like oh no thank you like you have to you have to open it and be like oh cool and then deal with it on your own time so it's a lot like every christmas gift've ever gotten. So U2 was Santa Claus.

Yeah. U2 is essentially Santa Claus, but I have to close the story. But also Adam, have you found that like having your kids be gracious gift receivers is one of the hardest things that you had to teach? Because I did. Yeah. Like when they get a gift that sucks from like someone, they have to pretend like they like it. Just smile and say, thank you so much. Thank you so much. I thank you. I will tell you it's something Kulop didn't learn until probably five years into our relationship.

Really? I didn't realize like, I had no idea, Busy, and you can tell me if this is the truth, but I had no idea that getting a purse for your girlfriend was like the worst thing you can do because I, not what, meaning not one they picked out because I just bought a purse and I thought it looked cool. And it was like, I guess in her mind,

the ugliest thing she'd ever seen. And she let me know it. Like immediately. Immediately. And then my parents also bought her a purse like two years later and she let them know it immediately. Oh my God, that's amazing. Wait, that is actually really funny.

Good for her. And I was just like, okay, I didn't know purses were a thing that are like so personal that I guess I have no taste in purses or whatever. Is that what it is? It's kind of a thing. I mean, Mark got me this Gucci purse

a couple of years ago for my birthday that I love, but he also did ask my stylist, Carla, to help. Gucci purse a couple years ago for my birthday that I love. But he also did ask my stylist, Carla, to help. Well, yeah. Now Cool Up will let me know. Like, I got her a purse, I think, from Gucci in Paris when we went to Paris. And she loves it. And it's her favorite.

But it's like, now I have to clear all purse purchases through her beforehand. I think that's a good thing to do. I think also, you know what else? If I've had, like, my friend Jenny's husband Richard has texted me and said, hey, do you think Jenny would like

this or this? And I'm like, oh, definitely. That's good. See, I didn't know. Either one of those, get her this. Either that or just ask her, like now, you know, after you're together for, either that or just ask her. Like now, you know, after you're together for a while. I thought at the time when we first started going out, it was like, oh, well, I want to surprise her with gifts, you know?

So I saw like a purse in Nordstrom or something. It was like, oh, this is nice. In my mind, in her mind, it was the ugliest thing she'd seen in her life. What did Kulop say to your parents when she opened the ugly purse? She was just like, oh, no, this isn't good. Something to that effect. I was like, don't be rude to my parents. No, I love that she has boundaries. Well, she has learned now. She wouldn't mind me telling this story because I'm sure she tells stories about me on her show, Add to Cart, which is where all podcasts are sold these days.

So, okay. So we're talking about U2, and U2 had a manager, Paul McGinnis, who they were, when Talking Heads were making the album Naked, U2 was making, I believe, they must have been Rattle and Hum, or maybe they were just finishing Joshua finishing joshua tree when they first started talking to paul mcginnis about this and they were complaining about guess who adam brian eno the producer fucking old sourpuss brian eno paul mcginnis complaining about it you know and saying you guys know how it is to deal with them we just can't deal with them so we're gonna

do what we always do. We're going to call Steve Lillywhite to come in and fix this shit. And so that made them say, well, we is old as time. We should get Steve Lillywhite to produce our record. So anyway, that's our episode.

We'll see you next time. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Good. Yeah, that was really good. Good to hear from those guys again. Yeah.

So they go to Paris. It gave me an opportunity to untangle my cords. Oh, yes. And the listeners. That was a good opportunity an opportunity to untangle my cords. Oh, yes. And the listeners. That was a good opportunity for them to untangle their earphone cords. So they're in Paris. One funny story that happens is they're talking to Fela Kuti who says, oh, I have a great guitarist who should be on your record. And so this guy, they're waiting for this guitarist named so and this guy shows up to the studio and they say oh are you the guitarist and the guy goes yeah yeah and they go well where's your guitar he goes i didn't bring one they're like oh okay well here use ours and they start playing

the song they're playing and this guy is like jamming along with them and he's not playing the right chords and nothing he's playing matches and they stopped like this they stopped the song and they go hey dude like nothing you're playing is matching what we're playing bro yeah wtf lock the gates and he goes well why don't you change what you're playing and they go what he goes i'm playing why don't you change what you're playing? And they go, what? He goes, I'm playing something good. Change your music to fit what I'm doing. They're like, what? Then in walks this guy with a guitar.

And this is the real guitarist. And they're like, oh, wait, you're so. You're the guitar. You're Fela Kuti's guitarist. And he goes, yeah, yeah. They go, dude, who are you? And he's a delivery guy, right? Now. And they go, OK, well, they say to theies guitarist and he goes yeah yeah they go dude who are you and he's a delivery guy right now and they go they go okay well you they say to the real guitarist you come on in and the guy goes no i couldn't take the someone else's job sorry and so he leaves

so they never what he leaves because he doesn't want to take the job of another guitarist. He's like too polite. That's weird. So what happened to the delivery guy? The delivery guy, he's all over the album. Is he really? No. Nothing. He didn't use anything of his.

That is so dumb, though, that the guy would leave. He's just polite. A couple of other guests we have. We have Johnny Marr from the Smiths. And boy, when I heard he was playing on the record, I was so excited. You's just polite. A couple of other guests we have. We have Johnny Marr from the Smiths. And boy, when I heard he was playing on the record, I was so excited because the Smiths had broken up and I wanted Johnny Marr to land with a good band. And so he started playing. What does he do again? He plays guitar on Nothing But Flowers.

Which is my favorite song. And then Kirstie McCall, who is Steve Lillywhite's wife, the late Kirstie McCall. She sings backups and she's great. And then they go back to NYC, and Mr. Burns writes lyrics. They add horns from those SNL people. Mr. Burns, by the way, says he hated Paris, and it was the worst time of his life. What? How can you hate Paris?

Yeah. what how can you hate paris yeah so it comes out and it uh well let's let's hear uh the record now uh we're gonna hear this track by track busy and um let's listen to the first track on this this is blind by talking heads from the album Naked. Got no sign. Somebody got busted. Got a face of stone and a most written biography. Dogs started rushing, hungry for some food. Dogs started twitching and they're looking at you. It was light. Five to five. Corn on a pod.

All in the name of democracy. He's hurt. He's dying.laimed he was a tourist Claimed to have had a catastrophe Someone should have told him That the buck stops here No one ever said He was involved with thieves

And they're blind Blind Blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind, blind. What do we think? Busy. Yeah, I mean, I think you do get a sense of where David Byrne is going. It's a little bit this first song, I'm like, well, I don't know. I love this song, and I think it was great in American Utopia, a great part of American Utopia.

You know what? American Utopia made me love this song so much more. Yeah, well... I think, Busy, what you're talking about is sort of the problem with the whole album in a way is it sounds like a Mr. Burns solo record. Like, Tina's turns down. Right. And it sounds like a bunch of guest musicians, you know?

Right, that's what I was going to say. It sounds like studio, a studio sash. It doesn't sound like a true Talking Heads record. Yeah, and then David Byrne is like, what's my sound about to be? I'm going to do a thing. At the time, we didn't know what his solo career was going to be. Yeah, and at the time, I was listening to grunge. For all we knew, this was a new direction for talking heads right right right that's fair

that's fair but looking back you're right like it's it seems like they're just kind of going along with his and by this point it was sort of it wasn't really a democracy anymore no he had done he had done the song on the something Wild soundtrack, Crazy for Love, which had these kind of Latin rhythms. And so you could tell this was something he was very interested in. But it doesn't sound like a Talking Heads record at all. But do you think is that what he meant when he was like, I don't want this to sound like a rock album? He had just done two records of sort of Americana rock, you know. And so I think he wanted to do something

a little more exotic. It is cool that it sounds so different than True Stories. Yes. And look, I mean, I'm going to just lay it all out there. First song in. I like four of the songs on this record, and that's it. And this is one of them. I think the horns sound amazing.

American Utopia did make me, like, I can't not think of that stage direction when I hear this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so good. It's so good. I swear I thought I saw the guy with the red hair from American Utopia on the street the other day. I bet you did. Yeah, you probably did. He talked about it in an interview I read about him. He's being busy on the street.

He goes, I go out on the street all the time. He's like Billy. On another note, does David Byrne still live in the city or does he live somewhere else like Connecticut? Yeah, I think he does. He bikes around all the time. I think you can see him. Do you think he still lives downtown or do you think he has moved somewhere uptown? I saw him on his bike the other day. What? No, I didn't.

He has an office. I did read an interview with him. He has an office downtown. Interesting. Is it? You seem to take it. You, I mean, you raised an eyebrow, long pause,

and then you said interesting. So I think that really. David Byrne could get it. That's all I'm saying. Oh, okay. Well, you know,

that's really what it comes down to. Honestly. Yes. Do you have, do you have a hall pass with Mark or David Byrne is, is at the top or. I mean, no, I, Do you have a hall pass with Mark where David Byrne is at the top? I mean, no. But, you know, I'm a person who lives my own life, Scott, you know?

So you don't need a hall pass. I just mean we all have to make our choices in life. You know what I mean? I once was with a famous guy eating dinner and a woman I knew came up to our table purely just to talk to him and let him know that he was her hall pass and basically said, like, we could do this right now. Who is it? Oh, my God. Jon Hamm. I bet it was Jon Hamm. No, it was not Jon Hamm.

It definitely was not Jon Hamm. It was someone different. Okay. Let's go to track two. This is Mr. Jones Put a wiggle in your stride Loosen up I believe he'll be alright

He's changing clothes Now he's got ventilated slacks Bouncing off the walls Mr. Jones is back Burl jobs And wind your waist Tight pants Ain and got curly hair Drinking cold beer from metal cans

Moonshine and handy wipes Mr. Jones is back in town It's his lucky day. Hold up your hands and shout. Jones is on his way. Busy, what do you think? Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones

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Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones Mr. Jones right like you see like like mr burns and and the rest of the talking heads and sailor outfits and they're yeah exactly like that this is dancing with tom and jerry yeah this is their this is their musical number interesting like i don't know why i think the horns sound amazing uh this is one of the songs i like yeah me too i like this song But does it not sound like it could be in a musical? It does, yes. Maybe they should do a jukebox musical of Talking Heads songs or like

Okay, let's see. They just did. Basically there's like... What? American Utopia? Yeah. No, but I mean a jukebox musical where they have to construct a story around the lyrics yeah or the or the alana smores that one did you go see the green day one when it was no i heard it was great it was awesome did you see that scott i didn't see it no

it was i i saw i saw them on letterman and the dancing was so obnoxious to me the choreo the choreography style where they were doing like kind of broken like grunge dancing. They were like going for it and doing all the pirouettes and all that but they were doing it sort of bent to the side to be like,

oh, I don't care, like 90s. You have to like let go of any feelings of that that you have and just- No, I don't.

You're not my dad. Well, if I was your father, I would make you let go of those feelings. I would love for you to be my father, by the way. I would love for Adam to be my dad too. You're a my dad. Well, if I was your father, I would make you let go of those feelings. I'd love for you to be my father, by the way. I would love for Adam to be my dad, too. You're a great dad. You're a great dad. I was thinking about that recently.

We can take like a weekend and you guys can just be my kids. I would love that. I would literally love that. All right, let's go to track three. This is Totally Nude by Talking Heads. Where the grass is greener Totally naked, baby, totally nude Cause if I want to Who's gonna stop me? I'm absolutely free

Living in the trees The bird is at the breeze Cause I'm a nature boy Locked up inside You can't tell me We're inside Open up, open up Open the door

Rocks and trees And physical culture Some days you hide I guess you wonder Where you are Nature boy, nature man, take me along We got a life that's undiscovered Busy?

I mean, I like this song. I always have enjoyed it. I always have enjoyed it. I wonder though, if it sounds like it's a Talking Heads song again, this is again where I'm like. Right. I think if the whole album were,

were these kind of like fun pop songs that the first three songs are, it would be, it would feel more like a Talking Heads record maybe, but the way it's mixed does not feel like a Talking Heads record. It truly sounds like Mr. Burns with guest musicians. Why do you guys call him Mr. Burns? Good question. Isn't that his name?

Yeah, because that's his name. You know what the drummer's name is, right? It's the guy. Chris Farts. Right, Chris Farts. And then Tina. I know it's Tina. Tina.

What's Tina's last name, Scott? Verymouth? Verymouth. You know, we should say that Chris Farts, because he wrote a book that came out while we were doing this podcast. And we've talked about it a lot. We should take time to point out that he's incredible. And we have given the book a lot of shit and called him Chris farts. It's Fram. Is it Fram? How do you say it? Is it really? Do you say it Farts?

It's pronounced. It's pronounced Farts? It's Fram. We on. Never mind. All right. So, okay. I can't.

I'm sorry. What I was going to say is this song sounds more like Talking Heads than the previous two to me, just because it's so like. Right. It has these pretty melodies. It has a great chorus. Yeah. Has interesting lyrics, I think.

I like it. Yeah. I mean, I like this song a lot. My friend had a, an aversion to the word nude. So when this album came out, he was like,

I just can't with this song. But I like, was he a never nude? Saying it, yes. I'm a totally nude. Really? Yeah. How often are you nude nude did you put on clothes just for

this no no i was out earlier oh interesting but what do you mean you're a totally nude i don't know like i'm a person like i don't i don't care like i will i will get naked in front of people like i don't care uh-huh post having children having children. Right. And, like, I just, who cares? Also, like, by the way. Sort of goes out the window. It goes out the window, but, like, also, like, I've been in a very small bathing suit in front of people. But, like, what's the fucking difference, really? You know what I mean?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know. I just have no, I have no, like, body stuff that's like. I wish more women felt the way that you feel. I do, too. Because I think that women hold on to a lot of fucking shame about their bodies. That's like unnecessary.

So what? My stomach is all stretched out from having two babies. And like, I don't give a fuck. Who gives a shit? We're all just human beings. Not me, Scott. We're all human beings. And human beings are essentially disgusting.

And once you can forget about that. I say not only are we human beings, we're humans being. All right. I don't like it. Anyway, let's move on. This is track four. This is Ruby Deer by Talking Heads. The Bo Diddley beat.

It's about to happen. Think about what everyone is saying Oh, baby, oh, don't you hear Late at night when the radio is playing Oh, baby, so lucky here Oh, this wreck is broken It slips away And all those water malice Have gone to sea Nothing lives in this dirty little river

And here we'll shed a tear It dried up, but it couldn't run forever And when we're here, that's what we're here Adam? You know, I thought that I liked this a lot less than I do listening to it now. I think it's one that I... Because other than these four, the next song and the previous three, I basically listened to them a few times.

And then I think they're all kind of indistinguishable from one another. I don't like it. But this one's better than the rest, I think. Yeah, it's a front-loaded record where Side 1 is pretty good, but I still don't really like this song. It's a skipper for me. It's a skipper, but the others are Gilligan's. This is a skipper.

The chorus is kind of like soaring and good. It's just not great. The next one is my movie star. An SCC, a Stone Cold classic. What did you say? It's a movie star? Well, yeah, if it's Skipper and Gilligan, then this one's the movie star. Yes, it's the movie star.

The rest are The Professor and Marianne and the rest. Here we go. This is Nothing But Flowers by a band called Talking Heads. It's weird that you would have a song this good and then three that are almost as good starting the album and then the rest be so boring. Yeah, it's boring is what it is. And maybe that's a result of only he doing the songwriting and no one else.

Well, this was all based out of jams, though. I just feel like no one's heart was in it. But this is so great. This is so good. And this might be Johnny Marr here. Oh, it is Johnny Marr. Now, you said Tina was turned down. In the mix, she's really low in my opinion.

She is. Talking Heads was like a funk-based band where the bass is pretty loud. Yeah. And she's just kind of like a regular rock band mix. This was a great video, too. Oh, I didn't know the video. None of the videos, by the way, really hit MTV. Yeah, like they were a big MTV band where the previous previous two records they played the shit out of the videos and yeah i don't remember ever seeing the videos for for these songs i remember seeing

this one but having to wait around for it and hope that it would come on rather than you know it really did feel like they had broken up like like it didn't seem like talking heads were a pressing concern and and i think that's because you know the last record at least there was a movie coming out but they weren't touring they seemed to hate each other it really felt like this was the swan song and so the music press didn't really pay that much of attention to it and they did break up soon after they just didn't announce it for a few years actually it's a little bit different. We'll talk about that. Great chorus.

This, by the way, is one of those songs where I feel like Mr. Burns did a lot of thought about the lyrics because they're so clever and so interesting and tells an incredible kind of post-apocalyptic story with a great worldview. And the rest of the songs sound kind of like afterthoughts in a way, but especially the next one where it's so on the nose and uninteresting. Let's hear the next one.

This is the Democratic Circus. And boy, this reminds me of a little town called Washington, D. dc where the circus uh tent pulled up uh back in uh 1700s and just never left the clown car the clowns were there and and um this is democratic there's so many metaphors with the circus that you could come up with. Flashbulbs popping. The strong man is the military. Yeah, the lion tamer is the Congress.

Speaker of the House. Yeah, the majority whip. Oh, that's good. Because he has a whip. Okay, I'm writing it down. When are we going to release... Write it down. When are we going to release this musical we're writing about the circus and politics?

Four years. Next presidential cycle. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it'll definitely be primetime then. God, you guys, I wonder how this election is going to be settled. I wonder who's going to end up winning. By the time this comes out. Jury's still out.

I mean, I saw our president yesterday talking about how they're still definitely going to win. So who knows, you know? This is the first track on side two, by the way, if you're getting it as a record. They really like, this is basically a one-sided album. This is an EP, essentially. Maybe it should have been an EP. Why not? Right.

I wonder what that moment is. I guess you pay twice as much. I don't know, but like as a band. what that moment is. I guess you pay twice as much. I don't know, but like as a band, I wonder if there's a moment where you're like listening

and you fucking know and you're like, that it's over. There are four songs that are salvageable here. Well, you know, I bet they do, but at the time it's like,

well, fuck, we have to put something out. Yeah. I will say George Harrison says this is one of their most underrated records. I think he likes Yeah. I will say George Harrison says this is one of their most underrated records. I think he likes it. Well, and what Harrison says.

I mean, he was a Beatle, so he should know. You guys doing a talk in Beatles next? Well, I mean, we already... Can you imagine how insufferable that would be? The worst. A couple old white guys talking about the Beatlesles do we need another podcast about that this is bad enough this gets this song gets really unpleasant i just can you skip forward where you want me to skip forward yeah just it gets really i'm about to hear

it's when they like electric crunchy guitar comes on. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh my God. Camera flash. Gives a shit.com. Oh boy. Yeah. I don't like it. Who cares?

Wait, can I talk about real fast, Nothing But Flowers? Yeah, please. In regards to the global pandemic. I, like most people, in the beginning of the shutdown, the first time around, whatever, like kind of started to lose my shit. And then somebody, Liz Kukowski, my friend, Liz Kukowski was like, you're not going on drives. And I'm like, what do you fucking mean? And she's like, oh yeah, I get in my car and I drive for like an hour, you know, go home, you know, I was like, no, I didn't know that was.

Pull a Mitt Romney, put the dog on the roof. Yes. No, I didn't know that that was. You really stuck on like the Obama campaigns. What is happening? Are you, is it, are you just reading that book? No, I'm not. I don't know why. I am reading the book and he's going through all these things I've been reading about. I mean, also Mitt Romney, not mitt romney just like go away you know what i i just watched that that netflix documentary again uh mitt remember that when that came out jesus christ

anyway finish your point the point being that i was like you know like a lot of people i think were having i was having like kind of almost like not disassociative, but like, just like, it was a, it was a mind fuck. Yeah. It's a whole paradigm shift. Yes. A whole paradigm. Thank you, Scott. And, uh, I went on a drive and in my car. Nothing But Flowers came on. And I started to just have this like whole thing. Like I was like sobbing listening to this song. And then I just put it on repeat. And then just kept driving around like past petty cash on Beverly.

I'll board it up. Oh, no. Not petty cash. Yeah, dude. No, but just like, you know, like, yeah, dude, the law. No, but just like everything was so like,

is this it? Is this actually happening? This is it. Like this song was prescient. And like, we're living in this moment now that David, Mr. Burn predicted. No,

I'm going to say Mr. Burn. Okay No, I'm going to say Mr. Burn. Okay. Because I'm not on the podcast, guys. I'm just visiting for a minute. But anyway. You're a permanent. Yeah, you're a permanent. This is our final episode, but you're a permanent.

That's amazing. Thanks, guys. But anyway, it just became then after that. Put your picture on it. Oh, that'd be great. I appreciate it. It became like the song for the, at least the first part of the pandemic for me, like the shutdown. And then I've like, so now every time I hear it, I think of that, like those feelings and that early.

What did you think about when you just heard it with Adam and I talking over it constantly? Well, that was difficult for me. Not quite as profound. I didn't see the tears streaming down your face for some reason. It is really wild if you listen to it in that context, like driving around. Oh, yeah, totally. You know, like no one was on the streets. Not even Billy.

Not even that red-haired guy from American utopia. No, no, he loves it out in these streets. He's out in the streets. Yeah. Um, well let's,

uh, here we got a breeze through these next tracks. This is the facts of life. And this is, um, I believe track seven. And this is by talking heads. Uh,

listen to this. God damn it. Makes me mad listening to this. Are you fast forwarding? No, this is how it sounds. It's a good criticism. It sounds like a song on fast forward. Oh God.

I remember this being memorable just because he says pubic hair yes i hate it so much i remember fast forwarding and for my friends and being like listen to what he says but like whereas the lyrics and the aforementioned my my favorite song, Nothing But Flowers, are so smart. Yeah, I know. This is literally Monkey See and Monkey Do making babies, eating food, smelly things, pubic hair, words of love.

I mean, what the fuck? It's so lame. Circus is just as bad. Also bad. Those lyrics. It's really weird. It's lazy. It's weird.

Maybe he was distracted by, you know, the Michael Dukakis campaign starting up. Maybe he was distracted by how much he hated Paris. It was that photo of Michael Dukakis in the tank with the helmet on. Yeah, it was probably. It got him too distracted. Who is Michael Dukakis? Bush Sr.? He went up against George H.W. Bush. Yeah. too distracted. Who is Michael Dukakis? Bush? Senior?

He went up against George H.W. Bush. Yeah. That was the first time I ever voted. First one. He only did. He only had one term.

Bush is a one-termer. Yeah. Yeah. Clinton beat him the second time he ran. Clinton beat him. Right, right, right. Sorry.

I didn't get to vote. I didn't vote. The first time I voted was Al... 96? Gore? Oh, 2000? Really? Yeah. Sorry, I didn't get to vote. I didn't vote. The first time I voted was... 96? Gore? Oh, 2000, really? Yeah.

My first was 92. Mine was 88. You guys, how are you so old? I don't know. Your first was 2000? Mm-hmm. Because I'm June 25th, 1979. Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, I guess it makes sense. Well, it does, guys. It makes sense. I guess it does. I don't knowth, 1979. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I guess it makes sense. Well, it does, guys. It makes sense. I guess it does. I don't know that it does. It does. Yeah, because you were just shy of being able to vote in 96. Right.

I always have voted. I feel very strongly about it. We want to make sure that everyone votes next month in Georgia, unless you're going to vote for the idiots and then stay home. I got nervous last night because we were Zooming with Mark's family. His aunt and uncle are in Georgia, and they are, historically speaking, Republicans. The party of Lincoln. I did the thing. I didn't bring it up.

Good. It's not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to bring it up at Thanksgiving. But we don't even know who the president's going to be yet. Yeah, that's a good point. It's all up in the air. You know what I felt like? I felt like it's not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to bring it up at Thanksgiving. But we don't even know who the president's going to be yet. Yeah, that's a good point. It's all up in the air. You know what I felt like? I felt like it's not my family. And Mark should be the one that brings it up.

Yeah, you only married into it. All they have to do is stay home. That's all they have to do. That's all he needs to convince them to do is to stay home. Yeah, like he should change the date on their phones and their computers somehow. I'll text his cousin, who's the daughter. If he comes up with some sort of story to be like, hey, you know, I read a newspaper article about some virus on your computer. Can you give me remote access to your computer?

And then he changes all the dates on it so that they think that it's Tuesday and it happens to be Wednesday. This is the way to do it. I don't know how anyone could vote for that. Anyway,

whatever. Okay, fine. Purdue is the fucking, more like Perdone and Kelly

Donfer. They're both. No, the woman is terrible. She's awful. She's awful. Anyway,

speaking of awful. But I like them both very much. Yes, no, they're awful anyway speaking of awful i like them both very much yes no they're amazing speaking of awful here's uh four more songs by talking heads on this record this is mommy daddy you and i i can't i mean this whole side of this album is just bummer it's so weird like why wouldn't they spread it out? I wonder if the album would just suck too much. Probably. I think especially with CDs, you want all your good songs at the beginning because people will stop listening at about 20 minutes in anyway

because they've gotten to wherever they're going to go. Let's just run through it. Let's skip through these okay next is big daddy this is based on the adam sandler movie this is big daddy oh this is at least a little up tempo little up tempo but i don't think it's good though you got that midnight run harmonica the lyrics are outrageous. Like Lionel Richie. Tiny tears. Just like a Barbie doll.

She likes to shop at Sears. And visit shopping malls. He just said shop twice. Why not? She likes to visit Sears. He just said shop twice. Why not? She likes to visit Sears. Better yet, call him by their real name, Sears and Roebuck. This one's not as objectionable as the others. I agree.

No, it's an actual song. But I still don't like it. Okay, this is the bonus track. but I still don't like it. Okay, this is the bonus track. So this closes out the album officially. No, no, no. This next one is the bonus track on the CD and cassette. This is Bill. That's what I mean, but without the bonus track, that would have been the last song. No, no, no. There's one more song after this. Oh, so this is not the bonus track this is the fuck

it's just in a weird place I'm gonna fucking kill you Adam they just put it they felt Cool Water would be the good closer on

both the vinyl and bonus track between second to last yes second to last they they Abby Minered it

ooh what does that mean yeah what does that mean do you guys what what's Abby Minered'd it. Ooh, what does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? Do you guys? What? What's Abby Miner? It's like a thing that people, the ADs say. I'd rather talk about this than talking heads.

Did I make it up? No, you probably didn't. Sometimes I make things up. It's like a term sort of like the. It's like when they're like, we're at the. Second to last shot? Yeah. It's the Abby Miner. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I read an article about this. It's like when they're like, we're at the... Second to last shot? Yeah. It's the Abbey Miner. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I read an article about this. It's based on... No, you did not. It's based on... Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's based on, I think, Abbey Miner. Yeah, a person named Abbey Miner who... I forget exactly why. Because it was like a famous first AD back in the day who would always say it was the last shot. What's the last shot called? The martini? The martini. So he would be mistaken? Right. So he would always say it was the last shot what's the last shot called the martini the martini so he would be he would always say yeah so he would always say all right guys it's the

martini and then they would do the shot and then they'd be like you go we got one more shot we got one more shot so they called the second to last shot the abby minor i love that okay i didn't make that up i like that's true i don't think i've ever heard that what do we think forgot it what do we think of bill does anyone care about bill no okay let's hear cool water this is the final track this is cool water by talking heads oh boy boy day by day yeah day by day this song continues all right that's a good enough taste. How do we feel about Naked, guys? Well, wasn't Sax and Violins on one version of the album?

Well, it's on the reissue. Sax and Violins was put out four years later for the Sand in the Vaseline. We'll talk about that in our next segment. But it was recorded in the same sessions. They just did overdubs four years later. Because this came out, what, in 88, 89? We've talked about it at length. March 15, 1988, I was at a Shakey's buffet

eating chicken and mojo potatoes. I remember you at Shakey's. But then they reissued it in 91. No, they did a reissue campaign probably in like 2007 or something like that where they did a bunch of bonus tracks and stuff like that. Sax and Violins wasn't much better as far as I remember. No, it's not. We'll listen to that in our next segment. Busy, what do we think about the album Naked?

What about Sax and Violins though? Yeah, Busy, what do you think of sax and violins? I mean, it does sound like sex and violins every time you say it. What? Sax and violins? Yeah. Sax and violins. Sax and violins.

All right, look, we're obviously not interested in talking about this record. What do we think overall of this album? It's a lot of skippable things. Yeah. But I'm happy to have nothing but flowers. Happy to have the hits. Yeah. Was it all worth it if we got nothing but flowers out of it?

Probably. Yeah. And maybe like blind for the American utopia. Totally nude. Yeah, yeah. But those ones in that front, minus maybe number four, those ones in the front...

Do I feel like it was worth the $13.99 I spent on it back in 1988? Probably not. I wish it were an EP. I think it's an EP. We should tell them. Yeah.

And also, I think it sounds like David Byrne. Not necessarily. I mean And also, I think it sounds like David Byrne, not necessarily, I mean, mostly, I think it sounds like him. Agreed on all counts.

Agreed on all counts. When I first got it, I was so excited that I listened to the entire thing a bunch before I finally

faced up to the fact that it was half shit. It's the Phantom Menace effect. Yes. Essentially, like you're so excited for it to come out and then you listen to it a lot and then you're like, you know what? I'm just not enjoying it.

And then you never listen to it again. It's like side two of all that you can't leave behind. Yeah, exactly. Well, this has been amazing, Busy. Can you name your favorite Talking Heads record? Well, it's so hard for me because I do, I'm not, here's the thing. Is it this one? It's definitely Naked. No, I would say that I'm like, I'm, you know, generation of mixtapes.

And so like, even now, I feel like I make playlists and I put, I just aggregate all of the things, but I also do, I also do a random shuffle, which is how I come to love songs that aren't normally like the ones that stick out right away. Songs that are like deep cuts that are buried deep in an album. Suddenly it'll come up on random shuffle and you'll be like paying attention to

it in a way that you wouldn't normally. I don't know. Saxon violins. Something like that. You love that song, Adam. I really don't. Yeah.

I don't know why you're fixated on it. It's not very good. Busy. We want to thank you for being on the show. Thank you. Amazing to have you. And I feel like we really got through a lot. We really did.

We really worked out some shit. And we found out when you voted. You voted for George W. Bush in 2000. And you were one of the people who sent him straight to the White House. So congratulations. I actually almost got turned away because I had made a t-shirt with iron-on letters that said

Gore Rules Bush Drools. And I thought it was so fucking funny. And they were like, that's campaigning. That's electioneering. You're not allowed to do that. Do they make you turn it inside out or what'd you do?

I think I had a hoodie tied around my waist. You just took it off because you don't care about being naked. Yeah, exactly. That's actually probably true. No. It was at a school. I would have gotten arrested. In any case, pleasure having you as our co-host on our final episode.

So thrilled. If we ever do another episode, you have to be on it because you are one of the official hosts. I'm so excited. Thank you. So appreciate you being on. Thank you, Percy. We're going to take a break, but actually we're coming back because Adam and I need to wrap it all up and we need to rank our Talking Heads records. Rank our Talking Heads records.

We are going to be right back with more. You talking Talking Heads to my Talking Head. Thank you, Busy Phillips. We will be right back after this. Welcome back. You talking, talking heads to my talking head. And that busy Phillips, huh? Truly a delight. Delightful person.

All right. We need to do what we always do when we have a final episode of any of our shows, and we need to rank the albums. Why don't we wrap it up? Yeah, we need to rank all the talking heads, and we need to talk about our rankings. We have, we're going to rank their eight studio albums, but we also wanted to include Stop Making Sense in it as well. So we have nine. We are not including the name of this band as Talking Hits. By the way, just really quick, that David Byrne song from Something Wild,

I can't find it on... It's called Loco de Amor. You can't find it on your Apple Music? Really? Gee, I wonder why you should have a copy of it at home. Because it takes up so much space. Wait, is Loco Damn More? Oh, no. I have that.

Never mind. Let's hear a little bit of it. Yeah, it's great. It did come out. It's with Celia Cruz. And it came out, I believe... They put it on his first solo album. Yeah. I believe. They put it on his first solo album.

Yeah. But it did come out in 86 when Something Wild came out, and it's over the opening titles. Yeah. And it's a great song, and it kind of is this, you know, the similar vibe to a lot of Naked. All right, so we have nine records that we're going to rank and you and i have not talked about our rankings and we're gonna we're gonna do them in descending order uh from going down from nine and uh we're gonna see how our rankings match each other's let's hear a little

bit of this it's such a great it's so bit of this. It's such a good song. So great. It's so much like Naked. It's crazy. Yeah, if this had been on Naked along, you know, if like Naked had been 10 songs like this and nothing but flowers and everything, I think I would have liked it better. Yeah. All right. Let's rank it.

Let's go to number nine. Adam, what do you have as your number nine album what's your least favorite talking heads record my least favorite talking heads record is naked even though it has a couple what i think are classics on it it's just a tough album. My number nine is Naked. Yeah. As well, just one I cannot get into. Yeah. We agree on that. But Nothing But Flowers, Totally Nude.

I like four of the songs. Mr. Jones, great songs. Yeah, great songs. All right, so number eight. Adam, what do you have as number eight? Number eight for me is 77. 77, what do you have as number eight? Number eight for me is 77. 77. Interesting.

I have True Stories. Yeah. True Stories is my number eight. Yeah. The last two records don't really feel like Talking Heads records to me all that much. 77 is incredible, but I'm basing this more on what I... When you said moron, you got it right.

All right. What's your number seven? Number seven. More songs about buildings and food. More songs about buildings and food. My number seven is, and this might be controversial, Remain in Light. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah.

I've never loved that album. Interesting. Again, some good songs on it, but I don't know that I like the Talking Heads jamming style of putting an album together as much as I like songwriting, David Byrne songwriting albums. By the way, I don't really buy that about naked i feel like that's something they said because they had nothing to say like naked doesn't sound like jams no well i i did read a couple of books about it and they were like we we we didn't tell them the musicians had total freedom because we had no lyrics or no song structure so they just played whatever and we edited it together later huh so i don't know interesting it kind of seems like that to me

because they just had a bunch of like grooves and came back and mr burns had run out of juice like there's just no real i don't know um all right what's your number six number six true stories true stories my number six is more songs about buildings and food, which is your number seven. Interesting. On the verge of interesting. Okay. True Stories is my number six. I love so many of those songs.

I may need, I probably should have put it higher, actually. Maybe. All right, what's your number five? Number five is Little Creatures. That is my number five as well. Wow. Smack dab in the middle of their discography i love it obviously we talked about it due to nostalgia but i i and maybe i even

like it more than a number five but i admit it isn't good as as good as the other record does that make sense yeah it means it marks the time more succinctly for us. All right. What's your number four? Number four is Remain in Light. All right. I have number four, Speaking in Tongues. Interesting.

Okay. Speaking in Tongues is my number four. I think that's odd, but okay. Okay. I think Speaking in Tongues is than a number four, you think? Stronger than a number four. All right. What's your number three?

Number three is fear of music. Fear of music. I have 77. Interesting. I love 77. That's one of my favorites. Again, I listen to it over and over. Listen to it on the way to Arizona on long car trips to my grandparents.

It's great. I really love that one. All right, number two for you. If I had to guess, number two is speaking in tongues, right? Oh, did I already say fear of music for number three? Yeah. Okay. Fear of music was my very favorite for a period of time.

I love that. But now you have a new number two. Number two. My new number two is speaking in tongues. My number two is fear of time. I love that. But now you have a new number two. Number two. My new number two is speaking in tongues. My number two is fear of music. Ah, yes. Which means our number one, we share a number one and a number nine. We sure do.

Stop making sense is, I mean, you just can't beat it. It's like a broken band. We share a number five too. Oh, that's right. Wow. can't beat it it's like a broken band we share number five too oh that's right wow so we share the the our top our middle and our uh uh worst and the others are all kind of mixed up in there yeah but boy is stop making sense i mean this is an incredible band they they have nine albums probably seven seven or six or seven six or classics of them are. Six are classics. Yeah.

And two of them are great and one is poor. Yes. That's a pretty good. That's, I mean, better than anything I've ever done in my life.

Including this show. What? So let's, let's talk, we've been talking about Talking Heads story. Let's kind of wrap it up. Yeah.

So, Naked comes out. It doesn't do well. It doesn't? No, I think it went gold. Is that right? Let me go down to certifications. Not like they were like really out there promoting it or anything. I believe Little Creatures went double platinum.

True Stories went platinum, I believe, and this went gold. So they're selling half as much every single time. Let me just make sure about True Stories. Did it go platinum? No, it only went gold. Wow. So double platinum to gold to gold. So not horrible, but not what people kind of expected from from talking heads

and they're not touring mr burns refuses to tour he's he he says he doesn't want to do anything that isn't going to be as good as stop making sense at one point i think he suggests hey what if we got uh actors to come out in between songs and put on plays and the rest of the band's like what dude we just we need to make money. Like let's go out and tour. He won't do it. I did read, uh,

talking about what we were talking about last week that he considered himself more to be a filmmaker at this point and not a musician. And he didn't really feel the need to go out on stage anymore. So around this point, since he has most songwriting credit he was making the most money so he didn't he probably didn't need to tour and the other people were like we just bought houses we need some money can we tour he says no um george harrison he around this time he warns mr burns he says hey man you're not gonna like going solo because right now you can

put out your solo records and everyone goes like, oh that's cool, wow, what a cool change of pace. But once that's all you do, first of all, the fact, your solo records get attention right now because of Talking Heads. You know, like oh, you're the guy from Talking Heads, oh let's

pay attention to his solo record. Once Talking Heads goes away, you're now the solo artist. Just you, buddy. And he goes, all the focus will go on how good those are or aren't. And if they're not good, then you're done. And if they're not as good as Talking Heads. Yeah. And Mr. Burns kind of goes, well, I'm going to have to figure that out for myself, I guess.

I mean, that's a common thing with people who break up bands to go solo is they are convinced and there are people in their ear probably telling them that the reason the band is good is because of them. And so they are convinced they could go solo and be just. Sometimes it works out for people staying. It worked out for him really well. I think Gwen Stefani, it worked out for her even better. Maybe Justin Timberlake, Justin worked out for him really well. I think Gwen Stefani, it worked out for her even better maybe. Justin Timberlake. Justin Timberlake, obviously, yeah.

But, you know, I mean, it didn't for Talking Heads. David Caruso. Sure. His band was amazing. Yeah. So then right after Naked comes out, weirdly enough, Mr. Burns wins an Oscar. He wins an Academy Award for score for The Last Emperor. Oh, wow.

And he's one of the people. I think Ryuichi Sakamoto is the main guy who did The Last Emperor. But he did like one song. And Chris Fartson's book says that Mr. Burns told him that all he did was hire an arranger to orchestrate a traditional Chinese song. And he got an Oscar for it. Wow. But Mr. Burns is on his way to the EGOT. Because I think he has a Grammy, right?

So I think he has... He'll get a Tony now, next year or this year. Maybe, yeah. He'll probably, yeah. So all he needs to do is win. And he might win an Emmy for it. An Emmy for it. Yeah yeah so he might be our next egot winner that's crazy so then uh a few years later they start to put out a compilation a two cd compilation called sand in the vaseline and they need to come up with new material for that. So what they did was they took four songs

that they had lying around from the Naked Sessions and one from the Sessions for... No, not True Stories, for Speaking in Tongues. And they did a little extra work on them and they put them out. And we've been talking about it for now probably an hour. Adam has really wanted to hear it. Sex and violence.

Let's hear this song. This is sex and violence. This was also on the Until the End of the World soundtrack. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I was so into the Until the End of the World soundtrack. Yeah, it was pretty good. I never got into this song. Yeah, it's not what you want to hear from a Talking Heads song.

I love the version of Until the End of the World on that, and Fretless, that R.E.M. song. Yeah, that's a great song. This is like an outtake for Shields-like. They also did, let's hear the other three from the Naked Sessions, because we heard Popsicle, I believe, when we did the Speaking in Tongues record. This is Gangster of Love

by Talking Heads. That's some rad Tina Verimouth playing. Buzed. red Tina Verimouth playing kind of like this it's okay yeah yeah kind of goes

nowhere okay this is a lifetime piling up. This is the third outtake that ended up on send. From the Vaseline. So did they get back together to finish these? I feel like they must have just done overdubs, you know, like by themselves or something. Just kind of cleaning it up.

I have tried, never won, and I get nervous every time. There will come a knocking at the door. Why is everybody making eyes at me? I don't want to know. This, by the way, comes out in 1992 when people are listening to grunge, mainly. Yeah. I remember this. good no but i remember it's kind of a big deal that they were putting out a best of i remember i was in santa maria

and i got i remember getting it and reading it at my day job when i worked at dean widder the investment firm and i'm just like reading the liner notes i worked there all summer i had a great boss who who essentially contacted our theater school and said hey i'm looking for an actor to do telemarketing and my job was to cold call people in town and say like hey are you interested in investing we have a great investment rate yeah right now i didn't know anything about it and then hand them off to someone who knows what they're doing. And then put them on, yeah, exactly, you know.

And she just essentially let me write plays all day. That's cool. Yeah, it was really nice. In any case, I remember reading the... I like that song, actually. That's okay, yeah. They also did one last song. They released one last outtake on the box set,

the Once in a Lifetime box set. This is called In Asking Land. They put this out a few years after Sand in the Vassal. What box set? The Once in a Lifetime box set, the horizontal one. You know how box sets are taller than they are wide, usually? They put out a box set that was wider than it is tall. It's sort of like a long, thin book.

And it was a three-CD box set that was wider than it is tall. It's sort of like a long, thin book. And it was a three CD box set, and this was one of the only outtakes. This is the thing. All these outtakes from Naked, none of them sound like talking head songs. No, not really.

Now, what's the speaking in tongues one? I don't remember that from when we did speaking in tongues. That was called Popsicle. And let me play a little bit of it. And that's on Sand in the Vaseline. That is on Sand in the Vaseline. That is on Sand in the Vaseline. It's, uh,

is it on any of their, I don't think it's on the, um, speaking tongues. Were they remastered these songs or? I could not tell you, uh, anything about their mastering process.

No, but I mean like what was, I guess it was like four new songs. See, this is more talking heads. Yes, for sure. That's right. I like this. Yeah, so this is Sand in the Vaseline. This was the last song on Sand in the Vaseline.

Yeah, that's good. So then right around Sand in the Vaseline, Chris Farts is sitting around at home, fiddling with his drumsticks probably. And he gets a call from a journalist who is doing a story on Talking Heads who wants to confirm that Talking Heads have broken up. Because that's what Mr. Burns has said okay in the interview and that's news to him but of course they hadn't you know seen him in years and they he hadn't wanted to tour or make another record so they just kind of assumed it but this was you know mr burns had never come out and said it before right so they are broken up um and they uh go on to do various things. George Harrison, of course, Traveling Wilburys has a number one hit, I believe, with Got My Mind Set on You.

Yeah, The Beatles got back together too. The Beatles got back together for the anthology. But he also went on to produce some really big records of the 90s. He produced Live, he produced Crash Test Dummies and he produced No Doubt. So he had a pretty amazing production among like a lot of other records.

Which No Doubt did he produce? He definitely did New, that song from Go, the movie Go. Yeah. So he didn't do a full album, I don't believe, but he did that definitely did new that song from go the movie go yeah so he didn't do a full album i don't believe but he did that single okay so and then uh chris farts and tina chris farts and tina they they still are in the tom tom club they've put out records uh for you know several records they still tour they they did uh uh also became kind of hot producers they produced ziggy

marley his biggest record uh They produced the Happy Mondays, which there's a whole chapter in Chris Hartz's book about the Happy Mondays, producing them out in Jamaica and how crazy that got. I really do, for the amount of like shit we gave that book, there are some incredible stories in there, including Ziggy Marley, Happy Mondays. Right.

Tons of talking heads ones, of course. Yeah, they worked with a bunch of great people. And so we don't want to spoil the stories for you, but read that book. There's some really interesting stuff. And then the three of them, George Harrison, Chris, and Tina, got back together to make a record called The Heads. Right.

Which that was the band name, The Heads. And George Harrison talked about it on the episode we did with him, where he felt like they shouldn't call it The Heads. He thought it should be No Talking Just Head, which is what they called, that was the name of the record. But it got them into hot water with Mr. Burns, who then wanted to sue them because of confusion with Talking Heads. And that record is not good.

I have never listened to it. It doesn't sound anything like Talking Heads. It's all new songs? It's all, it not only is it new songs, but it is different singers for each song. Oh, I remember this.ael hutchins uh doing one of the songs you have uh jeanette napolitano does a couple i think she even toured with them and the guy from live too debbie harry maria mckee from lone justice you're uh the band you love oh sean rider from happy mondays

the guy from live uh gordon gano of violent femmes who also was produced by george harrison andy partridge of xtc does a song um but the album's just not in my opinion do you want to hear any of it yeah i remember they uh do you want to hear the single or do you want to hear do you want to hear like a regular song? Let's hear the single. Okay. So the single was called damage I've done. This is 1996.

So this is four years or so after they broke up. So this is mid nineties, by the way, when all music had to sound aggressive and hard. Yeah. And the album cover looks like a Talking Heads album, too, which is kind of lame. Has the same font as 77, has the same color scheme as 77. I mean, I get it. I'm sure it's frustrating. Yeah, they're a good band, and just because the main guy wants to quit.

But they only put out one album, right? Yeah, and it did not set the world on fire. Who, Gavin Friday does a song? Yeah. Gordon Gato? From Virgin Prunes, yeah. I mentioned him. Do they do covers on here?

I don't think any of these are covers, no. I think they're all new songs. This also doesn't sound like Talking Heads. Like, they're not the funk-based... Is this Damage I've Done? Yeah. This is Johnette Napolitano of Concrete Blonde. Let's wait for the chorus and then dip. It's very 90s, yeah.

Yeah, this is post-9-inch nails. It's just not what you want to hear. Let's hear No More Lonely Nights. By Paul McCartney? No, by the Heads. With, you know, who sings this? Is this Malin Anateg? I don't know that name.

But let's hear it. Two love stories she installed a video camera of her bed in the bedroom all right i don't know what about only the lonely with gordon gaino all right all right. You know you can listen to this at home. I know. Sounds sort of Talking Heads-y.

This is a little Talking Heads-y. Yeah. Wait until he starts singing, though. Oh! A little loose, though, for Talking Heads. And Charlie Chan. Charlie Chan? know a little loose though for talking heads charlie chan is that what he said yeah let's hear the andy partridge song because i'm a big andy partridge fan of course talking heads toured with xt um anyway that's the head song kind of maybe put the nail in the coffin in terms of their relationship with Mr. Burns.

He was not happy about it. Of course, they did get together a couple more times. They did the press conference for the Stop Making Sense DVD when it came out. We talked about that with George Harrison, where Mr. Burns wouldn't even look at the other two. And George Harrison was sitting in between them. So crazy. And then they, Mr. Burns obviously did a bunch of solo records,

kind of varying degrees of quality. Some are great, some are not so great. But the very last time they all got together as the Talking Heads was in 2001, 2001 for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They were inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This was 25 years after their debut. 1976 was when they came out as a band and they put out their first single.

First year they were eligible. They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And when a band is inducted, they have the opportunity to play together, and they chose to play together. Yeah. The Ramones also were inducted, and unfortunately, they didn't play because I think Johnny had just passed away. Joey was dead, and I think Johnny. Yeah. So Green Day played instead. passed away joey was dead and i know yeah so green day played instead but uh talking heads played uh all four of them played for the last time as a band together um they sounded pretty good they sounded good chris uh writes a lot about uh all the food that was served there and then we don't

want to spoil his book but the last i mean um the last thing he, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is the last thing in Chris's book. And the end is just brutal. Very weird. So read the book. It's just, it's rough. One other thing that happened at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is they were inducted by, you know, every band gets inducted by like a more current rock star who's on the charts currently. Who has some sort of like connection and they usually don't get to pick that person. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame picks.

No, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame picks them. And the band was inducted by Anthony Kiedis. Oh, right. That's cool. And that does it for us. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to you talking, talking heads to my talking head. We'll see you next time. And until then, we hope that you found what you're looking for.

Bye. Good app. Yeah, it was very good. That was good. But speaking of Anthony Kiedis, we're here. Of course, welcome back to Are You Talking RHCP? ReMe. Anthony Kiedis. We're here. Of course, welcome back to Are You Talking RHCP, Remy. And I think when we left off, we were just about to talk about the Red Hot Chili Peppers second album,

which was, of course, the Uplift Mofo Party Plan. And let's just kind of take you through everything they did. Let's see. They put out the Uplift Mofo Party Plan. Hillel Slovak died. John Frusciante joined. They put out Mother's Milk and then Blood Sugar Sex Magic was really big. And then John Frusciante leaves the band and Dave Navarro joined. They put out One Hot Minute and then Dave Navarro left and John Frusciante rejoined the band. They put out Californication. They put out By the Way. They put out Stadium Arcadium.

John Frusciante left again and Josh Klinghoffer joined. And then they put out I'm With You and The Getaway. They got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And Josh Klinghoffer is one of the youngest guys to get inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame until this year. And, uh, then, uh, they get back with John Frusciante and they kick Josh Klinghoffer out. And that brings us up to date. Cool. So that's going to do it for us on, uh, Are You Talking RHCP?

We hope that you've enjoyed the show and hope you enjoyed our deep dive into the red hot chili peppers. And we are going to see you next time. And until then, Adam, hey, it's been a blast doing this during quarantine with you. Long journey here. Long journey, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

I really appreciate you doing it. I hope you have a good holiday. You too, man. Our thanks to Kevin. Thanks to you, buddy, and hope you have a good holiday. You've been an integral part of this show here with us. So I really appreciate all of your hard work. Absolutely. We will see you on whatever show we do in the future.

And until then, we hope that you found what you're looking for. Bye. We'll be right back. Can't stop addicted to the shindig Chop top it says I'm gonna win big Choose not to be a hero