U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - U Talkin' Talking Heads 2 My Talking Head? - Speaking in Tongues (w/ David Wain)

Episode Date: September 24, 2020

David Wain (Wet Hot American Summer) joins Adam Scott Aukerman to discuss the fifth Talking Heads studio album “Speaking in Tongues.” They also talk about when David first heard of Talking Heads, recording a sketch album with The State at Compass Point Studios, and play David’s own remix of “Burning Down the House.”

from e to zimbra this is you talking talking heads am i talking it You talking talking heads to my talking head? The comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all things talking heads. This is good. Rock and roll. Music. Welcome to the show. Very exciting show today. We're going to be talking about the album Speaking in Tongues today.

That's right. Speaking in Tongues. And we have a very special guest who's going to be joining us. writer, director, actor, writer, director, magician, other things. You know him as the director of Wet Hot American Summer. David Wayne will be joining us here. But before we get to that, I want to say that my name is Scott Aukerman, and I have a co-host who I want to introduce. He is, you know him from Parks and Rec. You know him from this summer's game show, Don't, which is coincidentally what I said to myself when I thought of recording it. Please welcome Adam Scott. Hi. Hey. You able to talk at a normal level today? Hey! You able to talk at a normal level today?

I am. As you can hear, I'm living loud and I'm living proud. Our last episode, towards the end there, you had to suddenly shush yourself. I did. If that happens during this, we will, of course, tell everyone why. Usually something going on in the next room. Yeah, when you have roommates, you sometimes have to be- Wait, you have roommates? Aren't you a successful actor? It doesn't matter how successful you are.

It's always, always appropriate and cost- Efficient? It's actually cost-efficient, but it's also, it's really easy on the pocketbook. If you have- That's what cost efficient means. No, no, no. They're two separate things. If you have a roommate, it takes a little of the pressure off. Think of- Lightens the load. Let's think of your pocketbook as a pressure valve. Okay. Okay. I always have, but I will continue to. Okay. Just continue that thought process.

I know as we were speaking, I could just see the wheels turning in your head. Your pocketbook has a pressure valve. He's made me think of my pocketbook, and now I'm thinking of it as a pressure valve. Just keep doing it. Keep doing it. Okay. Now, pressure valves, as you know, if you're a plumber or interested in plumbing, Pressure valves, as you know, if you're a plumber interested in plumbing.

I know. Pressure valves, their kind of main purpose is to take the pressure away from the main line. You would think with a name like pressure valve, when I hear that, I think, oh, this is a valve that's supposed to add a lot of pressure to the main line. No, it takes it away, Scott. It takes it away from. They should call it a pressureless valve. This is what I've been saying for years. I've been saying this for years. You check the plumbing message boards, the gas and electric message- What is that? Askcrack.com or where do we find those? Yeah. Yeah. It is. Askcrack.com backslash pressure valve controversy.

Oh, so they have a whole sister site, or I guess it's a subset of their site, devoted to this. A brother site. That's right. Yeah. Oh, a brother site. Yeah, yeah.

Because it's also on men's rights. This is the problem. Yeah. Why do all these websites get sisters? I know. Can't they get brothers? What about some brothers, man? Anyway.

In any case. Yeah. So think of it as a pressure valve. Think of your pocketbook as a pressure valve Can't they get brothers? What about some brothers, man? Anyway. In any case. So think of it as a pressure valve. Think of your pocketbook as a pressure valve that's sort of absorbing pressure for the main line, whether it be gas, electric, or water. Electric, not so much. Yeah, electric, it's not – I mean, I guess you could overload your electricity, but that's usually not the problem. I mean, what with blackouts, brownouts?

Yeah. What's next, purpleouts? I mean. Seriously. So having a roommate takes a little pressure off the pocketbook. How many roommates do you have? Four. Four, what are their names?

Steven. Yeah. Soder. Soder, so that's a first name that's right or did you say steven soda no it's just are you about to say berg yeah steven soda berg uh is his brother so you and he's just okay so so it's soda soda Soderberg. That's right. Oh, okay. Uh, so there's Steven, there's Soder, and then his, their other brother is named Berg. Oh, okay.

So it's Soder Soderberg, and then also Berg Soderberg. Berg Soderberg. Okay. And who's the fourth one? Uh, Bialy. Bialy? Yeah.

Okay. That's not Miam Bialik. That, this is someone totally different, right? It's actually her sister. Bialiam Bialik. This is someone totally different, right? It's actually her sister, Bialik. Bialik? Yeah.

And what is Steven's last name? Soderbergh. Oh. So you have the three Soderbergh brothers there. Are you just living at their house? Sister. These might not be roommates. This might be you just like crashing?

Are you like couch surfing with them? I'm squatting in their guest house oh no what happened to your marriage to your family everything crumbled in between the last episode in this one yeah i mean it's so sorry a couple of days but yeah i'm so so sorry what happened what'd you do to fuck it up i'm assuming it's you but no i i actually i i still don't know, but that's fine. You don't know because she didn't tell you or you don't know because you weren't willing to listen?

She wanted to tell me and I was like, you know what? Don't worry about it. I'm just gonna go over to Soder's place and Soderberg and Steven's place and we'll talk at some point. Okay, so you just cut her off. So at some point I'll be able to fill you in.

So how did the conversation go? Because I'm imagining she said, hi, I want a divorce, and you said, okay, and then she said, let me tell you why, and you said, nope, I'm over, I'm going over to Sodi's. It started how those conversations usually start, where I walked out uh i woke up a little late and i walked out into the kitchen in the morning how late are we talking you know like 10 11 p.m that's right and i walk out for breakfast and everyone's like you know what we're

just wrapping up dinner um but At 10 p.m.? Yeah, and I'm like, well, I'm hungry. And they said, oh, okay, no problem. What would you like? And I'm like, you know what? I get it, and I left. Okay, so they never even said, okay, wow. I'm sorry to hear, you hate to hear about one of these,

you know, Hollywood couples breaking up. But I mean, look, 50% of all marriages end in divorce and 50% end in death. So, you know, there's just no winning that game. You never know, really. You never know which 50 you're going to get. We hope it's, I mean, I personally hope that I will never die. I mean, I personally hope that I will never die. And I hope that I will stay married until Kulop dies.

Good Lord. Good Lord. This is a terrible, terrible story, but I'm glad you were able to find an internet hookup and get back on the show. It's going to be fine. It's going to be all right. All right. We have a big show. I need you in the game here. I need your mental space to be...

I'm 100%. For you to be in your mental space. I'm 100% here. Okay, I'd prefer you at 110, but if you can only do 100... I just added 10%. We're ready to go. Okay, we're ready to go

because we have a big guest here. But before we get to him, I want to introduce myself my name is scott ackerman and i am uh the i'm the main host of you talking talking heads to my talking head and i also have a sidekick kind of like uh who are some of the famous sidekicks uh tattoo tattoo i you know he wasn't the first that came to mind, but Hervé Villachez, he, uh,

just an indelible performance as Tattoo that captured the imagination of the American public so much so that there were t-shirts made of it. I, I think I remember being in, in church when I was young and someone, uh, uh, arriving in a t-shirt that said,

De Plain, De Plain. And we all just thought it was so funny. Like, look at this guy. He's got a t-shirt that says, De Plain, De Plain. Just like he says on the Fantasy Island show. Amazing. That and what you talking about, Willis. It was a rich time. It certainly was between De Plain, De Pl and what you're talking about, Willis. It was a time of catchphrases that made fun and celebrated the ways that certain ethnic groups speak. Yes. Just a terrific time. Some might say that they became catchphrases because America liked to laugh at that type of thing.

What do you think? I think that's true. Can you imagine if it was a non-POC actor doing De Plain De Plain and he just said, look, boss, the plane. Right. The plane. Would it have ever taken off? If he was not a... I'm talking about the plane.

Would it have taken off? No, it never would have left the airport. And if he was not a little person either... Well, that's the part that we don't like to talk about is... Just a man walking up to... A white man walking up to Mr. Work and saying, hey, the plane's here. Although I will say the fact that Hervé was a little person made it unique and maybe we paid attention to it a little more.

I don't think that had any bearing on the popularity of De Plaine, De Plaine. I think it was all just the way he spoke. You want to make a bet on this? Yeah, I want to make a bet on this. You know me. What kind of odds? How can you look up an opinion? Okay, but what kind of odds are you giving me?

I'm giving you, let's see. I'll give you 10 to 1. 10 to 1. So I'm going to bet a million dollars. Okay, all right. And I'll put down. I get 10 million if I'm right. That's fine.

And you get a million if you're right. Was DePlane popular because of the nomenclature? Who are you asking, by the way? Is it... The internet. Oh, okay. all right who are you asking by the way is it the internet oh okay for the height of said nomenclature speaker how many how many by the way if that was in quotes i i can only imagine how many uh entries you would get, but how many

came back after that? Well, the first one is a New York Times article from 2009 that says, speaker's plane becomes point of criticism. So I don't think that's what we're looking for. Although, I don't know. I would suggest we read that article in full and- Yeah. We'll put it up on the see if anything comes up. Yeah, we'll we'll make it a link. But I think and by the way, I don't know whether this is an episode or not, but I think we were talking about famous sidekicks. Yeah. Oh, no, I think I'm pretty sure that was an episode of famous sidekicks, bro. So it had no theme song. It had no welcome to the show or anything like that. It was just an episode. That's sort of one of the signature moves of that particular podcast is that they just sneak it in.

There's no theme song. It just happens. It occurs. Wow. I can only imagine what the theme song would have been for Sidekicks. I wonder what it is. Let's see let me uh uh uh let me think about this one second maybe rancid sidekick the song sidekick by rancid yeah do we want to hear a

little bit of that just in case thanks you don't like Rancid? I had a dream I was a vigilante Oh, that's not bad. Hey, what do you have against Rancid? I don't think I have any, I just don't think I ever cared. As 2000-era punk rock groups go, Not bad. Not bad, I think.

Heavily influenced by The Clash and uses a lot of ska and other types of interesting... Oh my god. Who cares? but yeah as far as famous sidekicks go robin you got robin he's the first one that comes to mind for me. But Tattoo is a great one. Tattoo is a great one.

I assume you're talking about Audrey Tattoo. Audrey Tattoo, yeah. From Amelie. From Amelie. She's the sidekick of that other person in the film. That's right, her romantic interest. Yep. I think anytime a woman is in a film, she's the sidekick. Am I right?

Of the nearest male. And not the near not the male with the most lines just whoever is physically nearest yes absolutely oh have you watched central park yet uh i haven't it's been out for a few months uh uh not of as of this recording but when you're hearing this but uh why is there a sidekick there no i have not seen it yet i can't i'm i'm excited though why that's all i have in the middle of this because i just as i was scrolling to find out about tattoo there's an ad for central park so let me let and i hate to discipline you

here in front of the sure sure no please do but this show isn't any dumb thing that pops into adam's head it's you, talking heads to my talking head. Okay. Anything we talk about has to be talking heads related. You know what, Scott? You're right. I know I'm right. And that's why I'm saying it. And you just saying you're right is infuriating me even further. Is this an episode of You're Right? I think it is. Hey, everyone. Welcome to You're Right. This is Scott.

And this is Scott. And you know we have a motto here on the show, when you're right, you're right. I was supposed to say that. I was pausing. Ah, you're right. Sorry. When you're right, you're right sorry when you're right you're right yeah i'm again sorry dramatically pausing have you never seen a shakespeare play there's dramatic pauses all over the fucking place in those king lear king lear king of the

pause is what i would call him i saw a wonderful production of King Lear where the entire show was one dramatic pause. Was it canceled that night? Yeah, it's because they didn't go up and I was the only one there. I didn't know that they had been canceled and it was a big mistake. But in the moment, I thought, this really works. Who are you supposed to root for in that King Lear show? You know, they're all acting silly, aren't they? Well, the one time I went to see it, nothing happened.

It was just a giant pause. Nothing happened, yeah. So you don't even know the plot. Nope. All right, see you next time. Bye. Bye. You made a wrong call.

I know that you made a right. Good, good ep of you're right. Yeah. That show has ep of You're Right. Yeah. That show has promise. It has potential. It really does. Potench. But other famous sidekicks, I'm having a hard time.

Let's not stop talking about this. Thinking of any beyond Robin and Tattoo. There's the classic sidekick from one of the... Yeah, I'll give you a hint. I don't want to... Give me just a little... Give me a taste. Give me a hint.

Let me dip my beak in this. A million dollars? Okay. Who was paid a million dollars to be in a movie? Jim Carrey? No, that was $20 million for for let me give you let me give you another hint okay okay you make me horny baby yeah baby okay who makes me horny well let's see certainly denise richards and wild things. Yeah. Um, of course. I don't think I've ever been horny though in a movie. Uh,

other than that. Well, I was horny when I shot Austin powers gold member, uh, as in my role as young Michael Caine, I was horny the entire day, uh, on the set there.

Um, can I, can I throw in another hint at you? Okay. Um, uh, the movie that you were just talking about. Wild Things.

Great Bill Murray performance. Right. And a sharp, sharp script. Kind of a neo-noir, I would say. Wait a minute. Is this I Love Films? It certainly is. Hey, everyone. Welcome to I Love Films. This is Scott.

And this is Scott. And we're talking today about film. We love films. We love them. We love them. We love films. We love them. We love them. We love films. I would, in the fuck, marry, kill of television, songs, and films. No question. No question. I'm just going to fuck, marry, and kill films.

100%. You know, the film you were talking about, Wild Thingens, is a wonderful film. Directed by, I don't even know, Marty Scorsese? Sure. I mean, let's just say it was. Who knows? No, the man that directed Wild Thingens, he directed henry portrait of a serial killer i'm not sure if you saw that film or miami blue is another wonderful film also too scary and i think neo-noir you're really on to something there uh something you mentioned on a on a different episode of a of a different podcast but i i really think you're edging in

on where Wild Things falls as far as genre and categorically. I think another great neo-noir, The Matrix. That whole trilogy. Yeah. Neo. It's all over that. Neo and his buddies, Tank.

Remember Tank from the first one, then he doesn't show up again? Best character, best character. Best character. Hey, Tank. Wasn't there a whole controversy like tank was like hey man why am i not in the part two i watching it i watched one and two right next to each other the other day and i'm like you you get us invested in these great characters like tank and then suddenly uh uh number two starts and it's just fucking nuts there's like people all under the ground and and essentially like neo has ghosted tank like neo neo touches down the nebuchadnezzar under the ground all these human he wakes up all

these humans and then he's like a tank like starts calling him going like hey neo buddy you want to hang out you want to go uh do some kung fu and then in the matrix or something he's like uh i i would but i'm just so busy with the revolution did you really just watch uh matrix one and two i did and how does two, is it your favorite number two? I have a new number two. Number two, the freeway chase is pretty good and everything else is just not great. Yeah. And then I remember three being even worse. Yeah. All I remember of number three is being incredibly bored.

And then one of the characters getting into a giant, like, well, speaking of tanks, it almost seemed like an armored tank or something and like shooting a gun at people or something. And I was just like, this is not what I go see the Matrix. Like none of it was spent in the Matrix, as I recall. I don't remember it, but I remember two being pretty disappointing and confusing. And corny.

That number two had some corn in it. It did. It had whole pieces of corn. All right, we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Oh, man.

Man. Those guys did that. Those guys did that sign off while one of the hosts was drinking some water. I really was like chugging it. So sorry. But yeah, we'll never think of another sidekick. No, there aren't anymore. That's the thing. Yeah.

And you were right. Wild Things. That's the movie i was trying to yeah we are of course talking talking heads today and we're talking about the double platinum album speaking in tongues and you know when when you think about doubles what do we got what are some of your favorite doubles um you know i like uh john John McEnroe and, uh, uh, uh, uh, who was he married to? Um, Chris Schreiber? No, not Maria Schreiber. Uh, he wasn't married to Maria Schreiber. Um, John McEnroe, he played the Terminator. Yeah, he was married.

Governor of the Governator. The Governator, John McEnroe. was governor of the governator the governator john mackinrow john mackinrow was married to i feel like like an actress yes i'm actually i'm cheating it was uh it's uh what's her name tatum o'neill tatum-monial. And then he married Patti Smith, not the Patti Smith that purloined Bono and Michael Stipe at that party we were at after the U2 show in Madison Square Garden, but Patti Smith with a Y from the band Scandal, I believe. Yes, Scandal. You know, I was a guest on the John McEnroe show in 2004.

Okay. He had a talk show on CNBC or something, and I was a guest on the show, and it was the day they got canceled, but they had to keep making shows for another week or something. And people had just sort of not shown up for work because the show was canceled. People just didn't even show up. You think they want to get paid. There was someone who just kind of pointed where I should stand. And then. Sort of like Babe Ruth.

Yeah. stand and then sort of like babe ruth yeah and then when it was time to go out when he called my name i didn't even know where to go because there was no one back there like telling me it was crazy and you're stupid and i'm very dumb i can't imagine you're there on a tv set you john mackinrow is it's a talk show would guess, and then you don't know where to go. Just go head towards John McEnroe. No, because I was behind a series of curtains and it was- Okay, we'll go through the curtains, look at John McEnroe and make a beeline to him. Can I tell my John McEnroe story before you get into that that i was on a plane with him recently in the last two years i would say that's reason for me and we we uh were on the tarmac after landing for

an hour an hour and a half something like that it was a long time and uh he i think he like he was arguing with the flight attendants about being able to be let out of the plane and then the minute the minute they kind of opened the doors he like just burst through them and people were like you can't do that sir and he's like who cares or something just yeah and i was like well that's classic john mackinrow i'm getting to witness it right here his famous temper his rebellious temper no to you and john mackinrow known for your tempers yeah high high stress uh tempers that that are hot as a pistol, both of us. Man, those pistols, they get so hot. Pistols get up to like 650 degrees sometimes. Yep.

Every single time you fire one multiple times. That's the thing. When people watch movies like the aforementioned Neo-Noir, The Matrix, or The Matrix Revolutions, or any movie that has a gun, the matrix revolutions um or any movie that has a gun people don't realize that these actors are doing such amazing work holding on to these incredibly hot pistols yeah because also when you're filming and you have a pistol they the prop master has them on a griddle uh yeah right off camera and it hands them to you and they're piping hot. With barbecue tongs. And they're so hot and then they're like, okay, you know,

and then you have to pretend like they're icy cold. That's the other thing. Anytime you watch one of these movies, people are always going like, ooh, ooh, this gun's so cold. Ooh, ooh, freezing, freezing. This gun is so just chilling me to the bone. But they're actually hot yeah that's that's where the acting comes in you have to act like it's

unbearably hot but it's actually unbearably cold wait no it's the reverse isn't it no you have to act like it's unbearably cold but it's actually unbearably hot. There you go. There you go. All right. We have to take a break. When we come back, we are going to have David Wayne will be here with us, and we'll be talking about the incredible album Speaking in Tongues. We will be right back with you talking,

talking heads to my talking head right after this. Welcome back, you talking talking heads to my talking head. And Adam, are you excited? I really am. I really, really, really am. I'm excited. Are you excited for the same reason I'm excited or are you just generally excited? Really am. I'm excited. Are you excited for the same reason I'm excited or are you just generally excited? I'm excited for several different reasons. One of them is the reason you're excited. Okay. What are the ones that are not the reason that I'm excited? Well, the other ones are all general. So you could put them in a series of buckets.

Do you talk like that? Do you know this? The bucket theory? The current slang with buckets. Sure. Yeah yeah of course of course i love it and i'm using it right now buckets you ever see that movie uh the bucket uh what was it called the bucket list the bucket sire yeah the bucket sire yes oh the bucket list that's also excellent isn't that jack nicholson's final no no no it's that one that he did with uh rud that's his final movie was later wasn't it no i got let's look it up let's get up here we go is this an episode of look it up it's either that or i love films i'm not really sure okay until we find out we can't uh we can't go into it but his

final appearance is how do you know three years after the bucket list so what you can't go into it. But his final appearance is, how do you know, three years after the bucket list. You can't call it final. Do you think he's ever going to make something else? Maybe. Who knows? Well, if he did, it would be with our guest today. I can only assume. Because our guest today is an amazing director.

He's an amazing writer. He's a good actor he's oh my god he's uh what else what else are you you're a you're a magician you're you're literally doing card tricks as you are uh all of these things uh And he's been on our previous shows. Please welcome back to our podcast, David Wayne. Hello, David. Great to be here. Hello, guys.

Listen. Hi, David. Hi there, Adam and Scott. I wish I could tell you a little bit of inside info I have on a production that Jack Nicholson will be involved in that I am directing. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Breaking news. This is incredible.

You're directing this. This is a project that stars Jack Nicholson and one Tom Cruise that I am directing. I have always wanted to see that pairing. That is incredible. But I cannot- Are you remaking Lions for Lambs? Again, it's a legal situation it is are you remaking color of money uh i am not able to i wish i could talk about it more uh it is not something talk about a little bit more though uh i mean there is a certain

producer who does happen to have the name stevenberg. What? Is it Steven Spielberg? I cannot get into that at this time, unfortunately, for due to legal reasons. I bet it's Steven Spielberg, Adam. I think it is. I think it's that same Steven Spielberg who made The Lost World. Yeah, Lost World. Amistad? Always. Oh, my favorites.

And it is a script that was written by Paul F. Tompkins. Oh. And so just to drop that in there. Okay. Well, this is a pairing I've always wanted to see. Paul F. Tompkins, Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson, and Jack. That's what Steve wanted. Oh, incredible.

Well, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for giving us a scloosie right off the bat. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's a lateral move for Paul. Well, as it happened, I have a moment, a time chunk today that I'm not shooting. Oh, okay. So you're doing this in between cut and action. We got you on a break. In full reality, I'm on a little bit of a...

We were on a break. We were on a break, just like David Wayne. Perfect. Perfect. No, I'm actually on a seven-month break at the moment. So this worked out fine. Oh, it's a longer break. Yeah.

So you could have fit this hour in at any point during this seven-month period. I'm not going to play that gotcha game. Okay. This is not gotcha journalism. Yeah, we do not partake in gotcha journalism. This is more access journalism. We can go back and forth all day long on that. I'm not even going to play that game.

Let's go back and forth for a minute on it. All right. Well, I could have made an appointment anytime but i'm not gonna i i'm not gonna play that game you didn't even make an appointment with us to do this like we had to chase you down to do yeah but i did i actually you're pretending like this is this is like going to see the doctor or something i did try to make an appointment on your website but then i got confused with the login also Also, it was not hard making an appointment with you. We just reached out or Scott reached out and literally you you're so thirsty that you texted

back. I think before I even hit send, you were like, I'm in. Let me tell you something I've heard on the streets years ago, and I've always known it to be true in Hollywood. Scott Aukerman tells you to jump. Your question is how high and move on. Wow. That's usually the answer to my question. What's my favorite Method Man project? But instead, it's me asking you to jump or telling you to jump, I guess. I think, Scott, this definitely has been an episode of I Love Films. Really? Is how high a film or was it? I guess it did end. I thought it was a movie.

Strange episode to not have a theme song or an introduction just kind of dropped us into the middle of a conversation. But, you know, those guys, that's what they do. There are shows that don't have theme songs. You're right, David. There's the Rachel Maddow show. This is this is the theme song to the rachel maddow show rather ready here we go yeah that's the theme song to the rachel maddow show they they did did you ever hear the original theme song that they that they rejected oh what was it

it was she's a great gal she likes to talk about what's going on in the world. It's Rachel. Is this where she was like outside spinning around and throwing her hat in the air? That's correct. Interesting. No, so you saw it. You were in the pilot. I did. Yeah, I saw that on YouTube, I think.

Well, I wasn't part of the pilot in the sense of I watched it on YouTube. I guess anyone watching is part of something. A lot of my friends auditioned for that pilot, but Rachel got it. You are, by the way, David, taking a sip of water as if you have nothing more to do on this show. Like you scored so hard. Now you're just like, all right, let me take a sip of this. I like to sit back and just let the spoils build. To the victor go them. Just real quick. I can't decide which I like more. Can we hear both of those theme songs played back to back? Okay, yeah. You do yours first, David.

Right. She's a great gal. She likes to talk about things going on in the world. It's Rachel. What do you think? They're both great. If anyone has a stopwatch, I'm wondering which is longer. I have a stopwatch that I usually use for my 100-meter races.

She's a great gal. She loves to do things going on in the world. It's Rachel. And then here's this one. David, yours is longer. Okay. Oh, now... Oh, man. God damn it, I lost another one.

Another task off my to-do list. Oh, boy. David, it's so good to see you. Thank you so much for jumping on here, talking about this band in particular. And you have your fingers in so many different pies. The Wet Hot American Summer movie, the wet hot American summer, uh, movie,

the, the wet hot American summer television show, a children's hospital. You undoubtedly had something to do with medical police. You're, you're constantly in there in the world of show business. I, I do wonder how you ever,

also the most, uh, watched thing that I've done in my career to date is the recent Paul Rudd wear a mask public service announcement. Oh, what did you have to do with that? I helped put it all together in terms of the... What does that mean? I edited it and did the music and the graphics in the background.

Okay. It's very funny. All right. Congratulations. So that's the most thing you've ever done. So you're a guy who has it all going on in show business. That's the most thing you've ever done. So you're a guy who has it all going on in show business. So, so many questions come to mind for me and Adam.

Adam and I actually got onto an earlier Zoom about an hour ago to try to figure out exactly what we wanted to ask you about. And really, when you boil it down, at the end of the day, just in a nutshell, what we really want to start, just a totally bottom line. TL colon DR. Exactly. What we really want to make our first question is, when did you first hear of Talking Heads? Well, okay. As far as Talking Heads, I mean, I grew up in Ohio, in Cleveland. Cleveland, Ohio. I was a suburban kid.

When was this? I was born right at the end of the 60s, 69. Hell yeah. 69. Zoom high five. By the way, I don't know what you guys are referring to, but 69 does refer to like, it's like I'm doing it to her and she's doing it to me. Doing what? Okay.

I can't say it too loud because who knows who's around. Who's around? It's like I'm servicing her downstairs. And then she's like doing the same thing to me. Downstairs? You have two houses, two stories in your house? Yeah, I go downstairs. High five, man!

Like tea. And then she comes up and gives me hot chocolate. Is that what upstairs downstairs is referring to on PBS? You get it. Oh my God, that is so awesome. So you're in Cleveland, Ohio. I grew up there in Cleveland. and so i'm like a kid in a in school and i'm i'm running around down to coventry going to record stores i have friends i

i'm you know playing in the pool sometimes i'm biking around you know like a kid but i'm i'm i'm in cleveland ohio i'm listening to cleveland bands michael stanley band you know uh i i all through my teens and into my 20s and 30s i listened exclusively to cleveland cleveland bands run them down michael stanley band michael stanley band i mean i i could go on from there uh i love that i thought we i thought we were gonna go on for the okay but yeah let's continue too many too many to list too many to mention yeah uh michael stanley band comes to mind for example uh so then in through the 90s you know i'm out of college um and then you know making my way can you hold on one second david one second. Adam, can I talk to you for a second?

Sure. Did I ask David to give us his autobiography? Well, no, no, no, you didn't. But I also feel like if you don't mind me saying, Scott, do you mind me saying? No, I don't mind. No, please. You can say anything. If you don't mind me saying it, he also skipped, he just, he was talking about Michael Stanley Band and then suddenly we're in the 90s. I don't see the logical progression between those two things.

As far as life stories go, this is wildly inconsistent. stories go this is wildly inconsistent if i were reading an autobiography like this i would throw it into the trash and pee on it and then set it on fire and then pee on it to put out the fire because you know i don't want there to be fire in a trash can you know what am i a hobo singing on a street corner also i don't want to smell what it smells like when there's pee mixed with your pee mixed with fire. What about your pee mixed with fire? I've smelled that plenty of times, plenty of times. And it's gross. How do we get him back on track?

Well, I think with David, there's a particular way, a particular magic you have to work. Sort of like a dog with like a bone or something. We got to lead him to it somehow. That's right. Like snacks, like treats. Treats. It's all treats. Let's try that. Let's try that.

Treats. Hey, David, David, come on back. Come on back. Hey, do you see this? We got a little treat for you. Oh, can I have it? Yeah, yeah. Here you go.

Oh, thank you. Yeah. So tell us about talking heads. Yeah, I really was getting to that. This was me answering your question. You said when did I first... Well, we weren't complaining or anything. Did you hear our conversation?

I'm not going to say overheard it, but a friend of mine who works with the show did fill me in a little bit. Kevin! On some of the... Not nothing that was private but just gave me a couple of headlines bullet points capsule you know probably like a 10 15 page just quick 15 rundown 15 page he typed up 10 to 15 he says christ some of it though there was like

title page and there was some of it was like. So like 11 pages. How big, how big is the font? Well, sometimes there was a chapter heading that had like an illustration on it. So then there was only a couple paragraphs. Three quarters of a page. Yeah. Okay.

I get it. So it's like six pages. Yeah. That's reasonable. Six full pages of text. So into the nineties, I'm making my way. So into the 90s, I'm making my way. And then I didn't move out to Los Angeles, California until 2013.

2013. This is three years before Trump was- And nothing happened in between the 90s and 2013. And then the 80s too. Anyway, so then in March of 2020- Wait a minute. Wait a minute. All right. All right. We're talking now we've jumped to just a couple of months ago. Well, I don't want to take a seven year leap. What am I going to do for you with all the play by play? Well, you know, I mean, okay. Okay. March of 2020. March

of 2020. As we all know, we got hit with a pandemic, which involved a quarantine lockdown kind of thing. We know that. Sure. Yeah. A lot of people get their news from this podcast, so I appreciate you covering it. And here we are. It's September of 2020. Wait, why did we stop at March at all? And I got word on a text. It was like, Hey, come, let's talk about talking heads. And then I start to really notice this band. So wait, you, you, you, you, you, you hadn't heard of talking heads before we texted you to be on the show or it's not a, it's not a, it don't, I don't want to get into like all the, Oh, what's the definition of is,

is, you know, that business, You know, a lot of them are. They were hiding in plain sight. Yeah. I mean, it's basically that I'm starting to like at this point really get this into the forefront of my cortex. These are these guys, you know, these are the and girl, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So what?

So, OK, great. So you, maybe September 2020. And I remember I was looking at Wikipedia probably not long after you guys had gotten in touch with me. It sounds like those could have been, yeah, or maybe the same day or so. And then, you know, because I always thought, you know, as most people do, like talking heads, you hear talking heads, you're like, oh, the people who speak on news shows or whatever. Right. That's how they got their name, yeah. Now I feel like there's this whole other way that you could, you know, another thing that it refers to, which is this band. Sure.

Yeah, for the last like 40 years. Five years or so. Yeah. Yeah. And it almost does seem that way. Yeah. It almost feels like. No, it is that way.

Yeah. In some ways, I know, obviously, you're either joking or exaggerating, but it does seem like they've been around for a long time. They have. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Have you ever heard a Talking Heads song? Who hasn't?

I mean, these are icons of modern music and the crossroads between funk and art rock. Can we hold you to just a yes or no answer on this question? Is that possible? Okay, I'm not going to let you get into that whole gotcha thing. You seem very concerned with gotcha thing you know you're you seem very concerned with gotcha you want you're dying for me to like just give you a yes no but that that's the wrong question and the context is and so you're taking me out of context but you know that like we're friends and we're not trying to like corner you and get you to say something you you will regret later yeah it seems like you're gonna whatever i say you're just gonna clip it out and then put that on Twitter or whatever.

I mean, we're probably going to make clips of this episode. Yeah. And make them available to sort of promote it. If that's what you're talking about. Hey, listen, I've seen your wolf and how it all works over there and it's not pretty.

And you don't want it. Believe me, you don't want me to go there. I apologize. It's just like on this show, we sometimes talk about how we, you know, a song that we first heard that made us a fan of the band. All right. Okay.

You want me to get into what I've seen at the Earwaffle office? Great. Okay. Because you've laid down the gauntlet. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, I have nothing to hide. I'm not the one being caging. You have nothing to hide except for that one when I first came to do a podcast there years ago. you were taking a pee right on the floor because you said, oh, I don't have time to go to the bathroom. Well, I'm busy. It was busy being a podcast impresario.

Scott, that's really disgusting. I'm sorry. And I don't think I'm ever going to come to the office again either. I don't think any of us are going to come to the office for another year or so. Have you guys even stepped into the minefield mindfuck that the lead singer, David Byrne, shares a first name with me? We've only known him as Mr. Byrne. So I never really realized that he even had a first name. I mean, no, neither. So wait, yeah. Who does he share a first name with?

Me, David. So it's like, if you said, let's talk about David today, it could go any direction. How does the arrangement of the sharing at work? Does he get it like six months out of the year and you get it the other six? Is it like the Stanley Cup where whoever did the best in show business that year gets it for a year? Or what's it like? That's right. The second thing you said is what it is. The Stanley Cup. Whoever did the best in show business that year gets it.

Okay. So I can only imagine that. He tends to always get it. Sure, for the last couple of years. Well, he had his Broadway show this past year that did really great. Yeah, but he had disappeared before then, so he probably got a nice run. I would imagine you've been kicking his ass since the early 90s. Around the late 2008, 2009, when Role Models came out, I had it for six months. Is Role Models your biggest hit?

Financially speaking, I would say yes. Why don't you just do another one of those Role Models your biggest hit? Financially speaking, I would say yes. Why don't you just do another one of those Role Models? Or something like it that's a big hit. Okay. Who are you, my dad? I'd like to be. Why don't you make another big hit movie? Will you promise me, David, that if your father, and I don't want this to happen, but if your father ever passes away, that I can be your dad.

I can adopt you. I would love that, honestly. I would marry your mother in a heartbeat. My father, all growing up, would be like, David, doesn't Woody Allen need an assistant director? Really? By the way, when Jon Stewart retired from The Daily Show, every comedian in the world got a text from their mom or dad, hey, what about you to be the host of the next daily show i got it within an hour i could do it yeah i would probably be pretty good

so um david so it sounds like you don't have much history uh of of talking heads but we're going to be talking about uh their their record speaking in in Tongues, today. The best. A great record. Do you have any sort of history about Speaking in Tongues? Yeah. Well, I mean, with Speaking in Tongues, this is Talking Heads, as we all know, going from being a four-piece band to passing the baton to other musicians. They opened up their personnel. So that's a big deal. I don't know that I understand that metaphor, but...

Okay. When you have... Have you heard of the Olympics? Have I heard them? Yeah, I listen to them every four years. So, oh yeah. So when you listen to the Olympics, you know that on the 100-meter relay, they have the baton that one runner passes to the other. They're always talking about it, but I've never been able to picture it in my mind. Well, now, see, I'm glad to have now completed that picture for you. You did? Wait, I still don't know what a baton is.

So, all right. Have you seen a penis? Have I seen a penis? I've seen four inches of one. Does that count? All right. All right. I don't know if I get it.

I looked at mine twice. Think of it as a penis with a head on two sides. Oh. And you give it to a friend. And you give it to a friend, and that there's like a chopstick in between that makes it sturdy. I get it. Thank you, David.

A sturdy penis with a chopstick in between that you give to a friend. This is the metaphor they use to train Olympians.ians right so this is what this album is like well this is great i am so excited to talk to you about um this record um but i do have to ask last time you were on the show you brought some fun audio songs that you had made. Do you have anything else like that for this? I tried something. This is in tribute to Speaking in Tongues. As we know, the big single. This is in tribute to this.

Okay, so this is related to this. Do we need to contact Talking Heads that there's this incredible tribute? That's a question for my lawyer, if you don't mind, or my publicist. Okay. Are they the same person? Uh, they're both, uh,

my nanny. Um, uh, also my children's nanny. Uh, so now, um, this is,

uh, my sort of other version of burning down the house. It may not, uh, uh, rise to the heights of you shook. So this is a remix. This is a remix.

It's a little bit of a remix. Okay. Let's see how this came out. Oh, this is exciting. You remember this opening. Watch out. You might get what you're after. Cool babies. Strange but not a stranger

I am Ordinary God Burning down the house Hold tight Wait till the Party's over Hold tight

We're here for Matthew Weller. There has got to be a way. It's just a lot of fun. Burning down the house. Here's your ticket, pack your bags. Time for jumping overboard. It's like if you went to see Talking Heads and David Byrne had just lost some cognition. They're just way under rehearsed.

Just because his earpiece was out, he couldn't hear the... All right, we have to take a break. Do you mind playing more of that while we go to break? Is that good? And here we go, into break. All right, we'll be right back with more You Talking Talking Heads to My Talkin' Head after this.

Welcome back. You Talkin' Talkin' Heads to My Talkin' Head. And we are here with David Wayne, who is Talking Heads super fan over here. I got to say, you know, all bits aside, nobody grooves like this band. They are the best. Thank you. Thank you. I was hoping you would check in with us about grooves.

And we finally got your stance on them. My father was in the radio business. And they always said, you know, you can do a lot of promotion. You can do a lot of payola. But if it's not in the grooves, it's not going to be a hit. Well, that may come up on this, strangely enough, that subject may come up when we talk about this record. All right, let's get to the record. Speaking in tongues, let's get some of the facts out of the way. This came out June 1st, 1983.

It's like, let's do some housekeeping. Get the vitals going. It's like, housekeeping! Housekeeping! So, June 1st, 1983. David, what are you doing in your life in 1983? You're 14 or 13 years old.

I was just starting my second startup. What? This was an energy bar company that I founded. What was this called? This was called Power Cock. Power Cock? Jesus. What were the energy bars shaped like?

No, no, no. Oh, God. Are you thinking like the penis thing no no it's like you know you got your gun cocked for power it was more like that i guess i haven't heard that shape of a terminology yeah pistol yeah oh okay yeah i i'm not like a guns and ammo kind of guy i haven't heard uh uh pistol cocked for power guys can i just come clean for a second yeah please i i wasn't doing that there was no startup the whole thing is fictional wait you weren't it was all you weren't selling energy bars shaped like guns that were called power cock not only was i not selling

them they didn't i don't even think they were any uh they didn't exist energy bars called power cock just like it doesn't exist i was 13 years old and i was uh in middle school i guess and and i uh were you into like was burning down the house a big deal and you were like yay yes well because mtv was relatively new still and i watched it all day long and when that video came on, I think we had already had the video for Same As It Ever Was. And so I was a fan of the Top Ten Hits. Once in a lifetime, yeah. Okay. So when this record came out, Burning Down the House is their only Top Ten hit. This broke through the Cleveland consciousness. Well, I actually, as I mentioned, my father was in the radio business. I had like the sort of cool deluxe. Oh, you had the, we'll talk about the cover.

Really? You had one of those? Okay. The one that won the Grammy? Yeah. Well, let's talk about it because the cover of the record kind of plays into the story of the record. When we last left off, the band had all gone solo to varying degrees of success. The Tom Tom Club, obviously, Genius of Love was the big hit.

So not a lot of drama with this record, I have to say. There were not a lot of interesting stories. this record i have to say there were not a lot of interesting stories uh basically they decide they don't need old sourpuss anymore brian eno that was a little dramatic though that was that parting wasn't particularly smooth right well they say all i can the only information that i can get is basically they say that he was just too expensive and too demanding and that he would want he wanted to fly on the concord and expected talking heads to pay for that um i also read listed as a member of the group maybe that was in the previous record in like two episodes ago but um it basically they just were like god damn this guy and then this is a weird fact that i read he's also obsessed with

high finance at the time where he gets up every morning and like sifts through the business section looking for stocks to invest in it's not that weird because hi-fi has to do with music i mean it makes sense you're right i never thought about that. So they decide, you know, let's kick Eno to duck curb, as they say. Sorry, just to go back to one thing. Yep. Think about at the time, no one really talked much about Wi-Fi. And yet. I think as Adam would say, it doesn't exist at the time.

So just that's its own. That's its own thing. Yeah. So why finance? No one is talking about that at the time. Why not? Well, that's what people are saying to him. Why finance?

And he's like, exactly, because I find it interesting. So they talked to Tony Visconti, who is David Bowie's producer. And he said and they're like, hey, what if you produce the record? And he says, you don't need a producer. You just need a good engineer. You guys should just produce it yourself. So that's what they decide to do. Well, whatever they did, it worked.

It worked because their top 10 single is on this record. They fly down to the Bahamas. Mr. Burns doesn't show up. the Bahamas. Uh, Mr. Burns doesn't show up. And so they call up Twyla Tharp, who, uh, Mr. Burns had been dating and they say, Hey, uh, where's Mr. Burns? And Twyla Tharp says, well, isn't he with you? Um, what none of them know is he's, uh, off with his future wife, uh, because he met her in Japan and decided to go hang out with her and break up with Twyla Tharp. And she doesn't know that yet. That's a fun way of breaking up with someone.

It's fun. Just not show up in the Bahamas. Wait, so did they record this in the Bahamas? They did. I believe they did basic tracks in New York and then went down to the Bahamas. That's what I... Was it at the Compass Point Recording Studio? Yeah, it was at Compass Point.

Yeah. You know that we... Yes, the state. The state. That's where you recorded your record, Studio? Yeah, it was at Compass Point, yeah. You know that we... Yes, the state. The state. That's where you recorded your record, right? Oh, that's right. How did you know that? I got a copy of that record, and I lost it, and I have regretted it ever since.

I can send you another copy. I knew that, too, for some reason. I feel like you or Marino told me. Now, why did you end up down there? It was an incredible experience. Basically, right as we were at the height of the state, we got an offer to make a record from Warner Brothers, I think it was. WB? They gave us this budget to make the record.

Home of Harry Potter. Exactly. The boy who lived. Batman. And also Robin. Who goes there lived. Batman. And also Robin. Who goes there? I'm Batman. Also Robin.

Yeah, that's a good point. Let's, let's, I don't want that to slip by the listener. And the Joker too. Like all the, the Riddler, all the characters.

Penguin, Catwoman. What about Dr. Freeze? It's Mr. Freeze. I don't think he got his doctorate. I know, but what about dr oh we had by the way speaking of sketch groups we had dino stomatopoulos had this uh idea and then i wrote several drafts of it for mr show about uh dr jekyll and mr jekyll

which was essentially we did that you guys did a version of that? I feel, I mean, that sounds, the great minds, we had literally that same premise. So basically, I wrote a musical version of it that was based on the Jekyll and Hyde musical at the time. And one draft I wrote,

he basically like drank a potion, fell down behind his desk, and then you see his doctorate on a frame on the wall disappear, fade away and then he's stupid essentially i think one of the lyrics was i he's referring to the potion um i would rather have this bottle in front of me than perform a frontal lipotomy that's awesome what version did you guys do? I literally, through the magic of computers, I am pulling up the script written in the 90s.

Incredible. But it'll take a bit, so I'll get back to it. Do you have all your old state? I have a lot. I have most everything right here. I think that everything, like what would happen to us is like I would write something on a work computer and then never take the files home. And then three computers ago, they're all on strange like disks and stuff like that. I've never updated them.

So like all my scripts are all gone. Well, and a lot of what. Yeah, I wrote a lot of things on software that no longer exists. Yeah. Especially this program called Right Now. Oh, yeah. And it's not even you can't do anything with it. We had a program. this program called Right Now. Oh, yeah. And it's not even, you can't do anything with it.

We had a program, it was called First Draft, which is like, I mean, Final Draft, that's where you want to get to, but like everything on First Draft was just like, they would just go, hey, that's good enough. Was Right Now screenwriting software? No, it was just a word processor. And by the way, there was also another one called... Scriptware is what we used to use.

At MTV, when I first worked at MTV in the late 80s, they had a Wang system, which was a bunch of network computers called a Wang. And you would just Wang it out, they would say. And it was, they were all like these weird black and white, bizarre, you know... Black and white Wangs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait a minute white wings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait a minute. Here it is. So, um, when was this written? This was, uh, had to be somewhere like 91 or something.

91. Wow. Yeah. My, my, my versions were all written at 97, I believe. So listen, we can, lawyers can get into this later. And your nanny. Listen, a movie trailer. Have you read this? Have you read this since 1991, do you think?

No, definitely not. Okay, let's hear a little bit of it. I actually, as I said this, I was like, did I write that? Did that happen or did I make that up? But now I see that there is something here. So, a movie trailer. Jekyll walks into the lab. He was a man of science.

Good morning, Dr. Jekyll. Good morning, Tim. But he tampered with the forces of nature. Jekyll is in his lab. He was a man of science. Good morning, Dr. Jekyll. Good morning, Tim. But he tampered with the forces of nature. Jekyll is in his lab. He misses a bubbling dream. I think all good sketches start with people saying good morning to each other. Don't you think? He takes a potion, turns around, and is screaming with hands over his face.

Title, voiceover, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Jekyll. By day, a respected ear, nose, and throat man in Mount Sinai. Thanks, Dr. Jekyll. No problem, Timmy. By night, he transforms into Mr. Jekyll. By day, a respected ear, nose, and throat man in Mount Sinai. Thanks, Dr. Jekyll. No problem, Timmy. By night, he transforms into Mr. Jekyll. Not a doctor. Not Dr. Jekyll, but Mr. Jekyll. Townspeople screaming, torches.

Stop that man. He has no medical degree. Stop him. Blah, blah, blah. That's crazy that we both wrote this sketch. That's why we're friends. Yeah, I mean. It's really funny. we both wrote this sketch. That's why we're friends. Yeah. I mean, and there,

there is no possible way that the idea was shared between us or, or because none of us knew each other before. Or even have heard of each other before then. The only crossover was, I remember, I don't know if I ever told you that we, when we were doing the state, we went down the street to a theater near time Square, a little underground theater to see cross comedy.

Oh, okay. And we sat there as the cocky jerks that we were, like in the front row with our arms crossed. Speaking of cross comedy. And then we were like, oh my God. Those arms are crossed. Yeah. We're like, this is going to suck. And then we watch and we're like, oh, it's pretty good.

Was that David just doing standup? No, it was like, yeah, well, it was sketch. No, no, no. It was sketch. It was like his whole sketch group. John Ennis. Oh, wow. And Ross, not Ross Brockley.

Ross Perot. There was some really funny. Can I finish? Can I finish this sketch? Again, I'm finished. Because I'm not a doctor at the moment. Anyway, so here's the point yes so tell us about compass point speaking i'm gonna get there okay just read the end maybe that's funny and you cut it out

dr jekyll mr hechtel sometimes evil's not a doctor it's just a guy without a doctor's degree there's no right to practice not even board certified remember the thing i said about the guy and whatever you know it's uh we never shot that one. Yeah, we never shot it either. Do you guys think that there are a lot of comedy writers out there who have an early Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Jekyll sketch? I wonder if there's anyone else. I mean, that would happen constantly at least where I would write or I would pitch a sketch and Odenkirk would go, yeah, I mean, that's a pretty common pitch that every young comedy writer pitches and make me feel embarrassed. But so that, so I wonder if this is one of the, yeah,

I wonder if this is one of those. And in the state, it was always, it was always Ben Grant saying like this obscure British TV show did that in 1964. And we're like, okay, God damn it.

And now it's just the Simpsons. The Simpsons did it. That's right. The Simpsons has hit our family guy have probably done every joke. Yeah. I think we had to hold a production on a sketch once because someone heard a rumor that something like it was on in living color once. We like stopped everything down. This is before you could just like look up anything online.

Well, I know they have a staff at the Simpsons who just keeps track of them not repeating themselves. Interesting. Oh, I bet. Can you imagine how hard that must be? Yeah, we have writers that weren't even born when the Simpsons started. Tell us about Compass Point, David. So the state was doing a record. We were offered the chance to make a record for Warner Brothers.

Harry Potter, Batman, etc. uh the way we were offered the chance to make a record for warn brothers and they gave us enough of a budget etc so they they said you know you here's a budget to like go for six weeks or something into a studio to record stuff and we're like let's do it let's put all into going for one week but we'll go to the bahamas and we'll get a great place to stay and we'll do it at compass point and that's what we did we were there completely by ourselves it was like being you know no supervision and no parents we went to the beach and hung around and got drunk and partied all day and then like at midnight every night we went in the studio and just did whatever came out and you guys just like sounds like it yeah you guys just like improvised it as i recall listening to it it was all just kind of like a goof around record in a way. I think there's some really funny things on it, but in between some

really masturbatory things, but it's worth a listen. Sounds familiar. It's called Comedy for Gracious Living. It sounds like this show. Is it easy to find? It was a precursor to the podcast. To the podcast, yeah. If you had put it out as a podcast, it would have been great for one episode, and

that would have been it. But instead, you guys made a record out of it. Exactly. I believe if you go to the-state.com, I'm just checking right now, you can listen to it. Well, please send me a copy. And I only care about myself listening to it. So I don't care about our listeners listening to it. I want to hear it myself.

Oh, no, you can just buy it on Amazon. There you go. I'd rather you just sent it to me for free. That's cool. I want to hear it myself. Oh, no, you can just buy it on Amazon. There you go. I'd rather you just sent it to me for free. That's cool. I'm cool. Okay, great. So, yes, this was done at Compass Point, Bahamas. We're getting back, just for those tuning in, to the Talking Heads record, Speaking in Tongues, which is the topic of today's episode. So, they're producing it themselves, and they get a few guest musicians in there. Now, there's a guy, Wally Bataru, who is very important to this because he played

synthesizer on most of the record and, in fact, kind of, they say, cemented the sound of the record or cemented the songs. He doesn't get a writing credit on anything, but they kind of say like, oh yeah, he cemented several of the songs. They actually loved him so much they wanted him to produce the next album, which he did not do. So I wonder what happened with that. Did they just continue producing themselves

from here on out? I don't know. I haven't looked that far ahead, but we will definitely find out that as the show goes down the road a little bit. You know, Wally Baderoo is still active to this day. Is he now? He's 65 years old and he's doing great.

That's not old. No. I say as I inch closer to it. Wally Baderoo. Oh, right. What a great name. Wally Baderoo. Oh, right.

What a great name. So George Harrison, Chris Farts mentions in his book that George Harrison is going through a rough patch during the recording, not enjoying it and apparently needs rehab. And I mean, look, the dude's been a Beatle, you know, since he was a teenager. Not only that, but by this time he'd had uh a few solo hits some solo hits he he may be in the middle of his lawsuit about my sweet lord i mean the guy's got a lot going on so you know we can only assume that with his side gig here with talking heads that you know he's a lot of pressure what my point is a lot of pressure I don't know what my point is a lot of pressure yes exactly a lot of pressure

so back to your point about the cover David you have one of these covers that's really interesting I did yeah I think it's long gone or it might actually be

in my record shelf oh you had the David Rauschenberg one Robert Rauschenberg I believe so yeah I mean Robert Rauschenberg so what happened with the cover is

they get this artist Robert Rauschenberg so what happened with the cover is they they get this artist robert rauschenberg to make the cover of the record and he sort of does a simplification of his larger piece revolver which is like a bunch of spinning moving plastic wheels that you can adjust uh and and turn to several different settings yes um and so he's working on this for a while and finally the record company comes back and says okay well we've we found a way to do it some kids are going to put it together in minnesota um not like literal kids but like interns or something like that but it's going to raise the price of the album like a lot a lot. And so they say, well, no, we're not going to do it. According to Chris Fartz, he says that they all agreed

they were, for the regular record, they were just going to take a picture of the artwork. Yeah. And that was going to be the cover. And then they were going to make this Robert Rauschenberg cover like a limited edition, which David has a copy of. But he says mr burns behind their backs went and created a cover by himself and then just submitted it without ever

talking to anyone um and it was apparently like him taking pictures of his hotel of like a chair tipped over in his hotel room and stuff like that i don't know but uh that is according to chris farts um yeah and they didn't even know about it till like the album came out right or until they got like the promo copy and they're like well chris farts kind of says that that's that's not what chris fart says he just kind of says you may be thinking of the the record before but um he just kind of says by the time they found out about it, it was a fait accompli, like it had already been done.

This is before the record came out. Okay, you just said something in French. If you wouldn't mind, for those of us who aren't bilingual, just throw us a bone and tell us this fait accompli situation. It kind of means it's something, it's,

what does it mean now hope it's out here and i think it means the direct translation has something to do with an album cover and it being too late to change an album cover from robert rush i think this is where they coined it right yeah this they coined the fait accompli for this situation. Okay, thank you. Now, guys, can I ask, which album cover do you like better? Great. I got to say the Robert Rauschenberg one, I do not think it's that great. Yes.

I think the classic one that we're more familiar with is so iconic. It's so iconic, maybe just because I've lived with it so long, but I with is so iconic. It's so iconic. Maybe just because I've lived with it so long, but I heard about the Robert Rauschenberg one and I looked it up and I thought it was kind of ugly. I don't know. What do you think, Adam? I like it. And I'm looking at the one that I'm assuming Chris Farts was talking about. They would have taken just a picture of it and put it on there.

And I think it's cool. it doesn't really fit the album but maybe that's just because i'm so used to the other one it's very harsh i i think it would have turned off some of the the people who bought the record because of burning down the house you know what i mean it's just very like harsh colors harsh looking if that makes sense then again though it's in the grooves you know it's like it's true right it's in the grooves. It's not on the grooves. It's all about the grooves. Andy Warhol went out and bought the Robert Rauschenberg cover when it went on sale. He went to his local record store and bought one. And apparently he took it back to his, I think he was maybe in a hotel room or his apartment, I'm not sure what, and played around

with it for like two minutes and got bored with it and thought it wasn't that great. And then he called up Robert Rauschenberg and Robert Rauschenberg said, I got $2,000 to do it. And Warhol was like, you got ripped off. You should be getting like 25 grand to do something like this. And so that, but then it won a Grammy. So there you go. What's funny is if you saw the little thing that Warhol played around with and you had that today, you could sell that for 25 million. That's true.

I know one thing that he played around with quite a bit that you could probably sell for... What are you talking about? Don't even go there. His Rolling Stones cover with the zipper. Wait a minute. Now I get it. Ew.

Yeah, ew. What are you on? He was going up, down, up, down. I will say that the, just to be completely honest, I think I had a deluxe set that had colored discs, but it was the classic cover, not the Rauschenberg. Maybe it was some promotional version that came to record, came to radio stations. I think that maybe your memory is failing you. Well, I often got weird promotional versions of records because of the aforementioned radio connection. Of course.

You keep talking about it. I wasn't serious. Like the fourth time you've mentioned it. I wasn't serious when I said I wanted to adopt you, okay? We know you love your dad. Would you like to do a documentary about me? Yeah, I guess so. I mean, you're an interesting enough guy.

I have always wondered how you can waste so much of your time doing magic and drawing shit and being on Instagram all day. Well, let's talk on Thursday about it. Okay. I'll be by with a camera. Okay. I'll be by with a camera. So you guys are starting a documentary, a feature documentary, a feature film. About David Wayne and about how much he loves his father.

Adam, not until Thursday at 1, obviously. Right. Sorry. I was going to say Thursday at 1. You're starting this. We'll be starting this. Yeah. So don't say our starting. Facts matter.

We'll be starting. I'm very sorry. Facts don't care about your feelings, bro. Jesus. Okay. Sorry. You guys really got me in a gotcha there. All right, well, guys,

do you want to hear some of the songs on Speaking in Tongues? I do. Please say yes. We planned it. All right, this is a song. This was their first and only top 10 hit. This is the first track on the record. This is Burning Down and only top 10 hit. This is the first

track on the record. This is Burning Down the House by Talking Heads. That's shocking. It's their only top 10. Their only, Take Me to the River

was, I believe, a top 20 or top 40. No Psycho Killer? What about And She Was? Nope. Guys, I have this information. Correct? Road to Nowhere. You don I have this information, correct?

Road to nowhere. You don't have to keep challenging me. He is really the coolest guy. Who, Chris Farks? Do you know his website, Things to Be Cheerful About? I've never been on it, but I like the title. It's called Reasons to Be Cheerful, and it specifically defines things that are not completely depressing. I like that.

So this song, apparently Chris and Tina went to a Parliament, Bootsy Collins, Brides of Funkenstein show, where before the bands came on, people in the audience were chanting Burn Down the House. And Chris thought that was really good. So when he started laying down this beat, he started shouting over it, Burn Down the House, Burn Down the House. And I guess Mr. Burns liked that enough to include it in the lyrics. Now, the other interesting fact about this song, David, tying back into

what you were talking about earlier, is it was a hit because of Paola. Oh, really? Was it really? Yes. So the band were all like, wow, we have a hit song. And Mr. Burns was all proud of it. And then he was talking to his record company.

And he was saying, like, why don't you spend, you know, now that we have a hit, why don't you spend, you know, money on promotion? And they were saying, well, we had to spend all that money in making it a hit. And Seymour Stein, the label head, was like, yeah, well, we didn't do payola all the time, but not as much as other labels. But yeah, we did it with this song. That's crazy. Payola was such a massive no-no.

And I feel like these days it's like, whatever. Oh, yeah. That would be no problem right now. Do you know about the TikTok? What basically people are paying? So a lot of songs are really popular on TikTok or become popular because influencers dance to them on TikTok. And now labels are paying the influencers like a hundred grand to dance to certain songs so that that song will become a hit.

It's like a workaround for payola. You guys, we are in the wrong business. We should be in the dancing to songs on TikTok business. What if literally tomorrow you started TikTok and start dancing around like a dumb shit? By the way, I am doing that starting right now after this. So if you're hearing this, you can check out my TikTok and you're going to see me dancing. As long as you're not doing it Thursday at 1 because we have some business to take care of Thursday at 1.

We also have Steve Scales on the Toms during this part. Let me turn it up a little bit. Oh, that's the best part. So this is not Chris Farts doing those Toms. This is Steve Scales who we will talk more about on the Stop Making Sense episode.

I love this. I think this is my favorite album of theirs. If I didn't know better, I would think that was Phil Collins going... Just with his mouth? Yeah. Wally Batarou, he's the guy doing all of the incredible keyboard solo and all that kind of stuff. I think he could have gotten a writing credit as far as I'm concerned.

Well, I think he shared it with Lowell Gans. Fatherly Mandel. Yes, thank you. I knew who you were talking about. I just wanted to hear your dismount. Too much. So that classic song can't be improved upon as far as I'm concerned. David, what do you think?

Other than the fact that I don't think burning down the house is really the answer. So you think that they should have kept the house intact? I would have said, you know, it should have been called, let's just leave the house alone. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. Let's go to the next song. This is track two.

This is making flippy floppy. Everybody. Get in line. Nothing can come between us. Nothing gets you down. Nothing strikes your fancy. Nothing turns you on Somebody is waiting in the hallway Somebody is falling down the stairs

Set someone free I love that. Whoever is doing it. David Byrne, Mr. Byrne, or George Harrison doing that weird scratchy guitar. He's definitely in the zone during this whole record. Yeah. We also have on guitar, we have Alex Weir.

Oh, yeah. Alex Weir. Stop making sense. And in fact, when the solo comes up, I'm wondering if it's him, whether it's George Harrison. It's probably not Mr. Burns, but also El Shankar does double violin on this song. Which, that might be the solo?

When it gets to the solo, I want your opinion on if it's a violin or a guitar. This is great. God damn. God damn! Damn it! I would say if anyone ever has a chance to listen to this without us talking over it, I recommend it. I don't know. I think this is the definitive version.

This is the version I'm going to listen to from now on. I think they're going to take all the other versions off Spotify. Okay, here we go. It's going to be very annoying. Do you guys mind if I cut ahead to the solo? Yeah, go ahead. It's probably around here. Here we go, here we go. Okay.

This sounds very George Harrison to me. This might be the violin, though. Oh, maybe you're right. This sounds very George Harrison to me. This might be the violin, though. Oh, maybe you're right. Did you guys get one of these? Apple Pencil?

No. I have one. Look at this. Check this out. Oh, they gave you one that's like made of rubber. Yeah. Then you got to get that replaced. I know. Neither of these guys are interested in the guitar solo.

I would say if I had to guess, it's violin, but you can't say for sure because any sound could be made by anything. That's true. I do think this is violin. For example. Was that a violin you just played, David? Yeah. What do we think? This is a good one. i love that song david

have you ever heard the song before i have heard this whole album i love it i wish i had something interesting to say about that song one of my favorites i think uh let's go to track three this is girlfriend is better another hit they all all the talking head songs have great beginnings yep i should kind of like their middles and ends i believe i actually wrote a biography of um davrne once, I now remember it. It was called Great Beginnings. Awesome. takes over slowly but doesn't last very long ha ha ha ha

no need to worry everything's under control Bernie Worrell, by the way, is on this song. This is the one song he plays keyboards on because he happened to be down there when he was touring with George Clinton. I love how the lyrics are so kind of paranoid sounding.

And then you get in that chorus and he's just like, I got a girlfriend that's better than that. It's all worked out for the girl. I think I like how kind of almost spare this album is compared with the trajectory. Which is ironic because they had so many more musicians and yet it's more spacious. Yeah. Weirdly enough, I mean, they didn't bring the musicians down to Compass Point

that they were touring with for the most part. As I mentioned, Bernie Worrell only plays on this one song. Their backup singers, Nona Hendrix and Dillette McDonald, they only appear on one song um i you know adam i'm i'm actually surprised because i thought you were going to say for most of these songs that you prefer the stop making sense versions well i i think i probably do uh for all of them i just think of their studio albums this like, I think this is their peak, but I think stop making sense would be my,

by far my favorite album. It's interesting because when they do it, some of these songs sound kind of like a mid sort of, sort of like a compromise between old talking heads and stop making sense. Like they still sound kind of cold and arty on these songs. And then when they do them on stop making sense, they're suddenly like almost like gospel songs. They're so full and joyous.

I wonder if you would think that, though, if you didn't hear them live. I wonder, yeah. I mean, there are a few songs that they don't do on Stop Making Sense that we can talk about when they come up. But most of these are on Stop Making Sense. This is Slippery People, track four.

It's like if you hear I Want You to Want Me, the studio version, you're like, that sucks. And then you hear the live version, you're like, this sucks even more. Wait a minute. Don't even. Not even as a joke. I'm sorry, cheap trick. They're from Chicago, and I know that you're from Cleveland.

Two sea cities. God, this is great. God, this is great Probably the best Live album that ever was Sorry, this keeps dropping out I updated to Catalina and Apple Music Worst mistake of my life

And anytime I move the player It drops out for a second. Is Catalina the latest one? Yes. It's terrible. Wait, Big Sur is available now? Well, you can get the beta. What's wrong with Catalina? You're a beta.

You're a beta cuck, as far as I'm concerned. Wow. Jesus. What's wrong with Catalina? You're a big fat cuck. I do not like the update to Apple Music instead of iTunes. It is a long story,

but it's... It's all a mess. The whole thing's terrible. Apple will still take your money if you want to sponsor the show. I heard they're sponsoring their morning show. Oh, I have Catalina.ina cool it's totally fine no it's not anyway uh it's old yeah i'd been holding off because i heard i heard that itunes

sucked compared to i or sorry apple music sucked compared to itunes and i finally just like broke down and did it. I mostly use Spotify, though, anyway. Well, I don't want to get into this. I've already argued with Adam about this for episode upon episode. And the listeners are on my side. They keep writing to me saying,

like, Adam doesn't get it. So we can't get into this discussion again. David, I apologize. Well, if you want to change the subject, I hope you're not still reading The New Yorker. You know it's just a rag, right? All right. This is track five. This is I Get Wild slash Wild Gravity. This is the last song on track or on side one, rather. Here we go. And this is not on Stop Making Sense. This finishes up the first side. Thank you, David.

Was this a single? I feel like it was. I don't believe it was. I find this to be one of the least memorable songs on this record. I think the chorus, though, is so... Sing it right now. Can you remember?

Oh, no, it was not so... Sing it right now. Can you remember it? Oh, no, it was not a single. You are right. Pleasantly out of proportion is his way of saying overweight. But he likes it, but he likes that fat ass. Is that what he's trying to say? Yeah. He co-wrote that song, I Like Big Bucks.

Which part did he write? The I like part. So Sir Mix-a-Lot came in And he had I Like Wait here's the chorus Then I'll explain what happened I mean it's also a great time I think you're right David I can never remember this song Famously Mix-a-Lot and Burn It's automatic I can move

Famously, Mix-a-Lot and Byrne got together on a beach in Belgium And Byrne was like, I like what's next And Mix-a-Lot went out on a boat and came back and said, I got it I like big butts Wow Did he see a big butt? Or was he trying to say big boats? said, I got it. I like big butts. Wow. Did he see a big butt? Or was he trying to say big boats?

You know, some people think that whole story is apocryphal. That could have been it. It could have been a typing error. Oh, it was a typing error. So when he sent it to the typing pool... Well, yeah, because they were in Belgium, so they couldn't obviously type there. It got back and there was a mistake and they just went with it.

And then I think they had already produced the song by then. Oh, my gosh. Well, it's like the Robert Rauschenberg situation. It was just a fait accompli. Well, Bob's a friend, so I wouldn't go too deep into that. All right. This is the first track. On the second side, this is Swamp. This is the first track on the second side. This is Swamp.

This is one of my, this is maybe my favorite one. This is a good one. I think the studio version may be better than the Stop Making Sense one. I always get off on a hot, tight blues groove. Like what? Give us another example. That Tracy Chapman song.

Fast Car? I'm gonna be getting there. I'm gonna go to Fast Car. What about... Sure. What about... I think we're doing a disservice to the song Swamp. I think this is the ultimate version. It's really going to annoy people when they can't hear it without our voices. It's really going to annoy people when they can't hear it without our voices Weirdly enough, this song used to be called

What was it called? It was called Addiction And they were making it for the King of Comedy soundtrack And they were mixing it and they were like It needs to be dirtier, it needs to be swampier And they liked that so much they decided to call this Swamp. And they decided to make the rest of the mixes for the rest of the album a little more like this one. Did it end up in King's Comedy?

That I don't know. If it was Swampy, it probably ended up in the Trump administration. Thank you. David, hold on. Wow. We don't do jokes like that on this show, David. Oh, you thought I meant the Donald Trump administration? Who did you mean? I obviously wouldn't do that.

Who did you mean? I meant Grom Trump. Grom? The Prime Minister of Belgium. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. I apologize.

I'm sorry. I didn't know that you were talking about the Grom Trump administration. That makes total sense. The only reason it's okay to criticize them is they don't have an opposition there. They're very popular. Yeah. All right. This is-

Now you know as far as- Yeah, yeah. Our stance on Donald Trump. Yeah. All right. This is... Now you know as far as... Yeah, yeah. Our stance on Donald Trump. Yeah, you don't do jokes like that. So you know it. This is track seven. This is Moon Rocks. Seven of nine.

Here we go. Moon Rocks. This one's about flying saucers. This one's about flying saucers. What's weird is about flying saucers because he just made a sound that's sort of like a ghost. Oh, there it is again. It's creepy. It's actually quite scary.

Quite terrifying. You know, people used to think this song was about drugs, like Moonrock, but Burn is not a drugger. Weirdly, I've not heard that to be true. One of the books that I read, he apparently was doing a few drugs, but we can get to that on our next episode. Are we doing a special drug episode? Yeah.

Just talking about all the drugs that they did. All the drugs they've taken, all the drugs we've taken. I like this song a lot. I like it. More of the funk. Do you guys know, did he start with like coming up with the groove and then sing over it? So they would basically, they went down to Compass Point. Like coming up with the groove and then sing over it? So they would basically, they went down to Compass Point.

They recorded the record without vocals. And then Mr. Burns would pace around his apartment singing gibberish. And then he would, if he found a melody that he liked with gibberish words, he would then try to find words that sort of sounded like the gibberish that made sense. And that's why the album is called Speaking in Tongues. And that's so cool. And so they didn't even have a melody for the lyrics until after they recorded the music. Pretty much. Yeah. It kind of feels like a cross. On their last record, It kind of feels like a cross. On their last record, they did purely just grooves that never changed,

that were sort of like sample loops. And this kind of feels like a cross between their earlier songwriting stuff and the grooves. Thank you. Anyway, Moon Rocks Great One of the lesser known songs, but I like it Are we going to ever talk about the song Pull Up The Roots? I don't know I mean, I'm just, I'm not sure

I think we should I'd really like to I don't know I kind of was hoping we wouldn't, but Oh, what the hell Let's hear it now, as a matter of fact I kind of was hoping we wouldn't, but... Oh, what the hell. Let's hear it now, as a matter of fact. I mean, it's the next song on the album.

Here we go. This is Pull Up the Roots. Hello again. Good morning. Top of the morning to you. Yes, indeed, my friend. It's interesting, this kind of snare sound, it sounds like it's combined with a hand clap.

It's sort of influenced by the Tom Tom Club, I would think. Totally. Remember when Mr. Burns asked, how'd you get that hand clap sound? That's apparently all he ever said to Christina and Chris. Tina. Tina Verymouth. He was like,

how'd you get that hand clap sound on Genius of Love? And they told him and he went, huh. And he turned away from them. Is there, I mean, is there any better bassists? What do I know?

This is a good one. This could have been in Stop Making Sense. I know? This is a good one. This could have been in Stop Making Sense, I think. I know. It's so good. Can you imagine with the women singing behind it? You guys probably mentioned this on earlier episodes, which I have forgotten to listen to, but have you guys seen you forgot

in concert no i never did no because i i started to get really into them around stop making sense and they never toured after stop making sense so i'm dying but what about the david burns show which i hear is unbelievable yes we both have no, Adam, you have not seen that. Did you see it, David? I actually watched it all online because I think when I was, I really did want to go, but then the. How'd you see a performance of it online? I think there was a bootleg of it. Okay. There was, I watched it first on Coachella.

I wonder if it was the Coachella one. Isn't there a movie coming out soon? Yeah, it's coming out very soon. Maybe we should talk about it. And then did you see when you did it live on Colbert? Yeah. It was very cool. I've avoided seeing any of it because I wanted to see it live, but I doubt I'll be able to now.

Well, remember how we were supposed to go to it together and then you blew me off? I know. No, I couldn't go. Maybe he'll do a special performance for the people who participated in this podcast. That would be amazing. That would be great. And I hope that happens. I definitely hope that happens. Distanced.

Socially distanced. Yeah, I'll stay six feet away from him. And they all need to stay six feet away from each other on stage. All right. We have one more song on the record this is the last song this is a classic this is this must be the place parentheses naive melody and parentheses everyone knows this this is perfect can you can you actually start it again and play that opening moment full volume it's just so great uh okay full yeah sure here we go come on just no song starts you were talking over it do you want me to do it again yeah all right here we go ready you gotta shut up though you gotta promise to be quiet all, two, one. So it's this.

Oh, sorry. I was talking. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me do it again. Three, two. Adam, you don't talk either.

Three, two, one. Scott, do you have. Fuck. Oh, man. It's killing me. You got to turn the volume up, though, when you do it. You want me to. You've complained about how loud it is on previous episodes. You want me to turn it up? But I think David meant, though, when you do it. You've complained about how loud it is on previous episodes.

Do you want me to turn it up? But I think David meant, like, could you turn it up? Just like the first five seconds. So good. I'm going to turn the volume all the way up. Here we go. Do you think that the... Like a bad dream. like a bad dream um so they did this song by uh switching instruments which they would occasionally do to keep it fresh so uh chris farts was the only one who couldn't switch and well no one knew

no one else knew how to play drums so chris is on the drums but um i think uh tina's on keyboards maybe, and Mr. Burns is on bass, and I'm not sure. I love the Stop Making Sense version of this too. Yeah, Tina played the guitar, and David Byrne played the keyboards. Ah. I mean, this has been used in so many things, different pieces of media.

I believe it was on... Didn't they use it in Lost, Adam, where in the season two premiere, where you're in some apartment, you don't know what's on the island, and someone... I don't remember. I know they definitely... It's also been covered by a lot of people. They definitely used the Speaking in Tongues album cover on it

and he drops the needle down on a record. I just can't remember if they intended to use this song or whether they ended up using this song. Anyway, such a good song. This puts me in a good mood. Yeah. I feel like it's like a perfect album. This is, the lyrics are very kind of optimistic, all about love, which is interesting because

Mr. Burns in the early records had to sort of put an ironic detachment on all of his lyrics about love, sort of making fun of it. And this one sort of embr an ironic detachment on all of his lyrics about love, sort of making fun of it, and this one sort of embraces it wholeheartedly. Ironically, it actually played as the end credits of the movie Wall Street. Oh, yeah. I haven't seen that movie since it came out.

I wonder if it holds up. I just saw it. Why? I don't remember, but i watched it like six months ago or something how did it hold up you're the perfect guy to ask this question uh yeah it's it's weird i mean it's very 1986 or 87 or whatever i kind of want to watch it it's worth watching. Did you ever see Money Never Sleeps? Ooh, yeah. How's that? You never saw Money Never Sleeps?

No, I never saw Money Never Sleeps. Did you see that, David? Wall Street 2? I never heard of that. Money Never Sleeps? Oh, no. Oh, God, you've got to see it. You've never seen Money Never Sleeps?

No, but I heard a friend of mine was in that, and I was hearing about that. Money Never Sleeps? You've got to see Money Never Sleeps. No, but I heard a friend of mine was in that, and I was hearing about that. Money Never Sleeps? You've got to see Money Never Sleeps. And it doesn't. All right. A great record, perhaps only overshadowed by the fact that some songs have even better versions

that were to come out just a year later on their live record. There's a few, there's a couple of outtakes do you want to hear any of the outtakes let's hear just a little bit of two note swivel sounds like an outtake sure does and then this one they actually released on their Best Of in like 92. Wait, are you talking about Popsicle? Yeah, of course I'm talking about Popsicle, bro. I had a feeling. I always hated when Best Of albums had one random clinker.

Well, they... I know, and you felt like you had to buy the whole thing. Yeah. There were four new songs on this best of, and they sort of... It was great, because some of the stuff like Love Goes to Building on Fire had not been on CD before, but then you have, like, this is basically an outtake and not that great, and they're pretending it's a new song. I just hated having to buy the motel's best of just to hear Only the Lonely.

Why didn't you just buy the single? I didn't the Lonely. Why didn't you just buy the single? I didn't have any money. Why didn't you just sing it around the house? Wait, you didn't have money, but you bought the whole album? Why didn't you just sing it around the house? What a jerk. I did it first. I didn't have a house.

I would have. I didn't have a house. I had an apartment at the time. Why didn't you just... If I could have afforded the album, the single, I would have gotten it. Why didn't you just do a guest writing stint on SNL for a couple of weeks or like just staff up, like staff up for do a one day a week thing on Will & Grace or something? That's what I would do if I were in that situation. It was easier for me because at the time the record store I would go to, the singles were a lot more expensive than the albums.

Why don't you just refinance your second home? That's what I would have done. Hmm. Hmm. All right. So how do we feel about speaking in tongues? I feel like it's excellent. This is my,

the album that I listened to the most of the talking heads in my life. Really? And stop making sense, I guess. Yeah, me too. And I have no regrets about it. You sort of live your life that way, you were telling me before we got on air. You're kind of a no regrets kind of guy. You know what?

I drive down that road and the rearview mirror is not installed in my vehicle. I've noticed that with all your cars. You have no rear view mirror. You've gotten into a lot of accidents though, haven't you? No, but it's great for when you're doing a hood mount dialogue scene because it doesn't get in the way. Yeah, true. It's true.

How many sports cars do you have, David? Just real quick. Well, I'd have to go out to the airport and check. Okay. Sorry. Oh, you keep them all in an airport hangar? I keep them in a hangar at the airport. And I have a guy named Scott who takes care of them.

You have a guy named Scott? Really? Yeah. Okay. I wonder if we know him. You probably do. We should get him on the show. He should be a third host. Scott Joplin is his name. No relation. No relation to the entertainer himself?

Scott Joplin. You're the guy that takes care of all your sports cars at the airport. Okay. I'm not going to play this gotcha game again. Sorry. You and gotcha games? I don't know. Well, we could do that all day long, and it's just not going to get anywhere.

So if you want to actually talk about the issues, we can. mean i sort of like to but uh speaking of scott joplin if you had me name the top 25 most famous scott joplin, this would without question be on that list. It would be like number 24, number 23. Somewhere in there, for sure. I guarantee it. My grandparents had a player piano. I don't know if you've ever had one of those, but they had one with all the scrolls that you have to load into the piano and then you like pedal it with your feet. And this was one of the ones that i would pedal with my feet all the time and pretend i was playing did you know you could buy you can buy one of those pianos now but it's an elton john piano and he apparently sat and played all of his hits into a piano that they

just recorded him playing on and so now you can turn it on at home and it your your piano plays exactly just like if he were there um the uh hearing you talk about these memories scott with this music in the background is very wistful it's melancholic yeah it certainly is especially with a song like this, which is an ode to a bygone age. Have you ever, do you have that song Dr. Jazz by Squeeze? I probably do. Probably somewhere. Apropos of nothing, I'd just love to hear that. For some reason, when I type in Joplin, Dr. Jazz comes up.

Maybe, did Scott Joplin have anything to do with this? Let's check out the information on the track. Why would Joplin, why would it come up? No, it's more that. Maybe a lyric in this. No lyric. You're on the Jules Holland. Yeah, this is a Jules Holland search.

No idea why, but this is a Jules Holland search no idea why but this is Dr. Jazz so guys we like speaking in tongues and Adam you're midway through your snack or what do you do you know what I have

almonds and golden berries here and it was hard to resist and so I was just tossing them in leaving it all up to me meanwhile david you're doing card tricks really the lion chair of the work is being done by yours truly here on this show today but i'm the one who has to do all the uploading and promotion promotion transcoding and all that so oh that that's right. We are Wayne Scotting on this episode. We have David Wayne and the two Scots. Any closing final sentiments that we want to...

I'm going to say since I'm taking off at this point in terms of, you know, I'm going to let you guys handle the rest of the season here. Yeah. And I just want to say it's been a real journey. And I do have, you know, my family, my mom and dad and so on, but I have another family and it's you guys. Thank you. Really, I really, really appreciate that. It's not the same as, you know, the actual blood family.

No, no, I think we understand. May as well be. Is it just the blood? That's the only reason you like them better? It's the presence of blood. Huh, we both have blood. We have blood. I'll give you some of my blood if you want it.

Okay, I get it. It's a reference to Dracula. I'm going to suck your blood. Okay. You're the one who brought up blood. Okay. Are you scared of Dracula? to suck your blood okay you're the one who brought up blood i don't you okay that now after all this time you finally got me you're you're frightened of dracula uh if okay you're trying to make me feel like dracula's real because if he is then i would

be frightened i've always to be honest i've always considered you to be like a Renfield type, you know, like just eating bugs and a mental slave to someone more powerful. I'm assuming Tom Lennon or... That's my thing. Well, David, it's really our pleasure having you on the show. It's always a good time whenever you come. Your wealth of knowledge is only eclipsed by your incredible personality. Well, I'm going to text you my number so that anytime you want me back, I will be able to be asked. If you text him, you may not need to include your number.

Yeah, just maybe a text that says, hi, this is David. I just said I was going to text you. I'll break it down from there. All right, cool. All right. Well, that's going to do it for us for this episode. Thank you, David. Thank you, guys. We are going to... And thank you, by the way, to everyone listening. God, yes.

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