U Talkin’ U2 To Me? - U Talkin' U2 To Me? - Rattle and Hum (w/ Lance Bangs)

Episode Date: March 19, 2014

Filmmaker, documentarian, and director Lance Bangs joins Adam Scott Aukerman this week to discuss U2's sixth studio album & rockumentary film Rattle and Hum. They'll talk about Lance's longtime relationship with U2 which started with him being a fan to getting to know the lovable lads more personally, share their favorite moments from the film, and break down their perfect Rattle and Hum tracklists. Plus, Adam tells us about being at the surprise U2 show during a Haiti Benefit and witnessing U2's acceptance speech after winning a Golden Globe. This episode is sponsored by Bonobos . Use offer code EDGE to get 20% off.

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Another week, this our our fourth episode um if you have heard the previous episodes uh lots happened since the last two by the way let me introduce myself i am one of your co-hosts i am scott ackerman from the comedy bang bang podcast and tv show sitting across the table from me star of stage star of screen only those two things i think but that covers it pretty well i don't know screens your floors floors star of floors you do a lot of just lying on floors just you're running the middle floor work okay You know him from parks and recreation. You know him from a movie I saw once.

Please welcome Adam Scott. Hey, everybody. Scott. Yes, Scott. Here's something. Yeah. I feel like since the last time I saw you. Which, by the way, was three and a half years

ago was when we three and a half years we taped the last one you've grown a beard i have grown a beard yes how did you grow a beard so fast uh for over three and a half years i know it's it's quick but i i did it yeah but really it's only been like three weeks has it been three weeks no didn't we just tape one did we i think we did since the new year yes we did remember do you remember the guy who was on the last episode uh harris whittles do you remember him he used to work on that show parks and rec oh he's been fired yeah he oh my god he remember him though he was like yeah he was like kind of short yeah and like sort of a smart ass and but everything he said it was like everything he said was devoid of substance it's like he made a career and a life out of that not just a career like everything he says

yeah and then in general it was like right after he passed away i was thinking like god what am i gonna to say about Harris? Oh, because you had to speak at the funeral. Yeah. Well, I was the main speaker. Right. Right. And I was like, maybe I just won't go.

Oh. Like, that would be a nice burn on Harris. That would be, yeah. For all the shit he said about you two. Yeah. Remember all that shit he said about them? I do. Yeah.

I'm glad he's gone. I just remember just getting genuinely annoyed with him criticizing U2. But by the end, he liked it. Yeah, he said it was his favorite band. I think he just wanted to get out of here. Yeah, he may have. Welcome back. Yeah, I have grown a beard.

But really, it's only been a couple weeks and you grew a beard. I think it was on the rise for the past month and a half or so. Just about to shoot. At this point, you're listening to it. We've already been shooting, but we're just about to shoot the Comedy Bang Bang TV show, and I'm about to take it all off. Nice. Yeah, you got to shave that off.

You ever grow a beard? I mean, I know you had a fake one in Walter Middier. Was that a real one? Sure. You know, I grew a beard. You're listening to you talking U2 to me. I had a beard up until Sunday night. I don't know if you watch the Golden Globes telecast, but there was a shot of me.

I think it lasted a quarter of a second. And if you caught that. A fitting tribute. But it wasn't shot of me, I think it lasted a quarter of a second. And if you caught that. A fitting tribute to Parks and Recreation. But it wasn't just of me. It was several people and I was kind of in the background. Sure. But if you saw, you probably saw my beard. It was somewhat full.

And the next morning I got rid of it. And was that because of shooting your own self? Or just you were sick of having such a great, wonderful beard? Shooting my own self? Meaning you were shooting Parks and Rec? Oh, sure, yeah. You know, I had to take it off for the television show. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

It's nice to grow a beard when you're new. Oh, yeah. And it's nice to take it off. Look, it's a free country. Hey, I'm not going to get in the way between you and your beard. You know what I mean? Thank you. I appreciate that.

I'm just glad we live in it. Can we talk about just like... Let's talk about this country for a bit. Glad we live in a country where, listen, I want to grow a beard. I can grow a beard. Give me a few weeks. There's not a man with a gun sitting there saying... No.

Don't grow your beard Don't grow beard No, not one person said that Not one man No I mean, yes, some people said don't grow a beard Oh, yeah, a bunch of people said don't grow a beard Or that beard looks shitty They didn't have an accent

No, nor a gun Well, some of them may have had guns Two of them had guns Yeah, concealed Yeah That's what I really want to talk about is the concealed weapon laws No, nor a gun. Well, some of them may have had guns. Two of them had guns. Yeah, concealed. Yeah. That's what I really want to talk about is the concealed weapon laws. Let's loosen them up, you know?

You mean you want less laws about concealed? Yes, you know? Or just like one blanket law of like, do what you will. I think that's a great idea. You know what I mean? Like, how about like five? How many can you actually carry? If you have a concealed weapon permit, is it just one? Or can you have five of them on you?

You can carry like 19. I love it. I love it. By the way, you're listening to you talking you too to me. I'm glad that you mentioned the Golden Globes. Yeah. Because I love show business. I know that.

That's why I brought it up. Anyway, we're talking you too. Oh, so you're moving on from that subject. I just love show business. Oh, you just love it being mentioned. Yeah, I just love it. It reminds me of this business that we're in. Do you ever think that I did want to ask you this? Ah, the business of show.

I did want to ask you this because I was listening to one of our previous shows recently, jerking it. our previous shows recently jerking it and uh we talked about how when you were a little boy the the show business wagons came to town and the lost boys was filmed oh yeah jason patrick was there you do you remember those days were did it inspire you to become an actor? Were you like, oh, acting is right next door to me. I could do this. Scott, you know, I have a multifaceted answer, if that's okay. I tend to speak in parallels when I talk about my love of acting and when the bug first bit me. You know, I think if I was going to speak of just kind of – can we just talk about inspiration? Oh, yes.

Let's talk about that, an actor's inspiration. Inspiration, I think, is, you know know you open a window you look outside you look around and what do you see like really no like what do you really scott shut up for a second seriously just what do you see well i mean are you are you can i talk talk right go ahead is it okay i just don't want to be told to shut up again i mean just go ahead okay Okay. Well, I usually, outside a window, there's usually a branch. What I see is the world. Okay. I see the world.

And you know what's looking right back at me? He wasn't listening to what I was seeing. Scott? Yeah? You know what's looking right back at me? What's a bird in the tree that I saw? Scott, if you're not going to at least try. I'm sorry.

I apologize. I just may as well stop talking. I literally thought maybe a bird was looking back at you. I'm sorry. Birds don't look at people and think, oh, there's a person. They don't have real thoughts. Do they just see shapes, you think? It's all instinct with birds.

So they just see a thing and they they act on that instinct and they just yeah like i want to peck that thing i want to i want to peck that guy's balls out sometimes birds listen sometimes birds you have to tell me to listen i am riveted at this point birds can we talk about birds you don't even have to ask my permission. I mean, I would love to talk about birds at length. Okay, first of all, birds fly. We all know birds fly. Birds fly! They fly through the air.

Tweet, tweet! Sometimes they say. They land. They build nests. Yes. Now, you think about us, us human beings, people. We don't fly, but we are blessed. Sometimes we tweet.

You know, that's a Twitter joke. All right, I'm just going to go. Adam, come on. I'm actually considering leaving. You are? Why? Because you just kind of like pulled me right back into the world of technology. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Okay, Twitter doesn't exist. Birds. Human beings, we're like birds. We don't fly physically through the air. No. But we, if we want to, and if we choose to, we soar with our imaginations. That's right.

Spiritually, if you will. You're a spiritual guy. Not religious, spiritual. Yeah. You don't believe in like a guy up in the clouds. No, no, no you will. You're a spiritual guy. Not religious, spiritual. Yeah. You don't believe in a guy up in the clouds. No, no, no, no. Yeah, maybe he lives in the clouds. Yeah, sure.

And maybe he has a white beard. And there's ample evidence that there's a society of people who live inside the clouds. Yeah. Ruled by one man with a big white beard. Yes, but I'm not religious. Yeah, no, no. I'm beard. Yes, but I'm not religious. No, no. I'm spiritual. Yes, you believe in religion.

Yes, I'm a follower of Christianity. And God who lives in the clouds with a big white beard. Yes, which I believe in deeply. Yes. But it's not like I believe in a man up in the sky with a big white beard. No, no, no. You're a spiritual guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I get it. I get it. You talking U2 to me. And Adam, oh, God, I had something. Are you okay? Are you okay? I can't remember what it is. You were in The Aviator speaking about soaring through the clouds.

Sure, yeah. Thanks for bringing it back to that. Yeah, you uh the titular character the aviator no no no no the aviator himself across the table from me no no no no no did you see i mean i i imagined it i imagine i like when i think of the aviator i think of you flapping your wings really hard and you floating about one foot off the ground. That reminds me of this whole theory I have about birds and what we as humankind have in common with birds. You know what I was wondering about birds?

You mentioned it. A lot of them make nests. Sure. But aren't the smarter birds the ones that make the birdhouses? You know what I mean? Yeah. What I've found is the really intelligent birds make square bird's nests. But the ones that actually make those birdhouses that you see.

Oh, the birdhouses, yes. Those are the smartest birds. The incredibly advanced birds. Yeah. You know, it's like, hey, birds making nests, come on, do a little better. Yeah, you're not going to see a pigeon making a birdhouse. A cockatoo, maybe. Hey, a cock or two?

Adam, we got to talk about it. The Golden Globes, you mentioned it, but let's set the scene because I know this is coming out at some point in the future. We are taping this literally days after the golden globes if you can believe it yes days have transpired since the golden globes and we are doing something a few days later that's true i don't know if you can believe it but i can't believe we've all recovered oh my gosh how did you feel when parks and recreation did you guys win or did you feel in Parks and Recreation? Did you guys win or did you lose? I can't remember. We lost. Oh, you lost!

Yeah. Okay, we'll talk about it. But you had a whirlwind of a weekend. And let me just tell the listeners, Adam was just lockstep right there with me, keeping me informed about everything that was happening. I really was. I was receiving some furious emails over the weekend. All right, take me back through it, okay? Saturday. Now, we all know the Golden Globes are on Sunday.

Okay, everyone who follows show business knows that. Sunday is Golden Globes Day. Snubs, flubs, who's going to get the golden man? Who's going to go home a loser? We all know that happens on a Sunday. But Saturday, what a lot of people who are not in show business don't know is because the Golden Globes are happening, there are so many stars in LA at that point. The stars are bright in the heavens. Not only in the heavens, but they're in Hollywood. And a lot of people hold events

on the day before the Golden Globe. Sure. Because they know they can get big stars to be there. Sure. So, tell me what happened the Saturday before the Golden Globes. So, I went to a charity dinner. Stop right there. Yep.

How does, and this is a real question for me. I really want to know. How do you go to a charity dinner? Do you get invited to a charity dinner, i.e.? Or do I just show up? No, what I mean is, do you get invited like, hey, come bring some wattage. We need some wattage to this charity dinner. Come for free.

We need wattage. Right. We need an Adam Scott. Just come by. Right. Or do you get an invite to this thing? It's a what? $1,500?

How much were the tickets? Per plate. Say it per plate, not just for a seat. There was no per plate fee. You weren't doing it per seat. There was no per plate fee. You weren't doing it per plate? There was no per plate fee. It was by the chair? No, it was per footprint.

Per footprint? Yeah, per footprint. You had to pay a fee per, so like if you only had a leg, you paid a different price than a person that had two legs. God, those people without legs. They got in for free. That's a racket. Okay. Okay, so you have two footprints.

No, there was no fee for a ticket. Okay, so it was a- You just get invited to a dinner and you go and sit down. And then you're expected to reach into that pocketbook, though, am I right? Yes, because they had an auction and so you- So we'll get to how much you spent on the auction how much you paid do you want to give us a little preview of that before we actually get into detail or no so you're invited to this thing do you know anyone who's going or is this

the kind of thing where it's like you you look to your wife and you're like i don't i don't know if we'll know anyone there let's just go or did you did you know? You know, it's Sean Penn's organization, the JPHRO organization. Sherpo! The JP Haitian Relief Organization. Okay. So I knew that it was a... You knew Sean would be there. Right.

I knew it was a... Your Walter Mitty co-star. A dinner for Haitian relief, which is, of course, a worthy cause. Sure, but I don't really know Sean. I mean, I met him. You guys hung out at the Midi after party, probably. But then I got invited to this, and I thought, well, great, yes. Sean wants to deepen his relationship. I don't think he was probably even aware that I was being invited.

I'm sure, you know, I just— He just took it as a given, Adam's going to be there. Yeah. We're going to bro out. So, yeah. So, anyway, for one reason or another, somehow I got invited to it, which is terrific, and was happy to go. And hopefully, you know. Did you know anyone you were at the table with?

No, I didn't. Did you know anyone there? Yeah, we ran into people we knew there. Okay, so you don't want to drop any names at all. No, you know, the people we knew there were um oh sarah silverman was there oh okay so that's good so that's above the line right there but also a bunch of our friends from below the line school okay we're there don't worry it was actually a very nice party okay sure but there were there was also a lot of wattage. My wattage was completely irrelevant.

What? Because they had a lot of wattage in this room. Okay, so a lot of watts. Major watts. Okay. Like wattage on legs walking around. So you're sitting there. What is the expectation of the night?

Is there a stage? Is there a podium? Is there a dais? There's a podium? Is there a dais? There's a podium. Is there what they call a hot seat in a roast? There's a podium, and Anderson Cooper was hosting the evening. He did a wonderful job. And Sean Penn, we'd hop up every once in a while and talk a little bit.

They would show documentary footage about Haiti and what's going on there right now and where they're on the recovery effort. It was a whole evening of this. And then they had an auction. So sounds pretty boring up till now. But what happened before the auction started was when I started furiously emailing you because this woman, Annel Jean-Pierre, came out. Wait, Annel who? Annel Jean-Pierre, came out. Wait, Annel who?

Annel Jean-Pierre. No, Annel. We decided her... We had a big discussion previous to the show about how to pronounce it. Her name is Annel. Annel. And she came out... No, Annel.

What this woman has been through yes to get to uh beverly hills um traffic in california we just can't call her anal okay um she got up on stage and was singing Hallelujah, which was very beautiful. The Leonard Cohen classic. Yes. But then from backstage, a guitar started playing and out came the Edge and Bono. Who, by the way, listeners of this show, we mentioned this is going to be a comprehensive compendium of information about U2. They are members of U2. They are the guitarist and singer. The guitarist and singer for U2.

The band U2. The band U2. But they're not the only people in the band. No, they're 50%, I would say, of the band. The other members play drums and bass. The drummer is Larry Mullen Jr. Son of Larry Mullen Sr. We assume.

The bass player is... The spiritual heart of the band. Yes. His name is Adam Clayton. Adam Clayton. He plays bass. Sure, the bass guitar. Sure. Mm-hmm.

There we go. I wonder if anyone ever calls him, like, as a nickname, like Adam Clay 2,000 pounds. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. Maybe if he had a couple extra slices of pizza, some of the other guys would rib him a little bit with that one. Yeah. So the Bono and Edge. So they come out, and they sang Hallelujah,

and it was very exciting, and that's when I took a picture of this TV screen that was near our table and sent it to you and I was like look who just walked out we had no idea that there would that they were gonna you you didn't see them in the crowd you know no one ever hyped that uh you know there's a special someone backstage no I mean I think it said musical guest, but we had no idea. Musical guest. And I think we had just recorded an episode of this like a couple days before. We had just been talking about, hey, we hope to run into Bono somewhere.

So guess what? It was pretty serendipitous that they came out and played this song. Pretty amazing. So you emailed to me, look who's playing 30 feet from me. Yes. Amazing. And then you said, should I run up on stage and ask him to do our podcast? That's right. And I said, it would be pretty weird if you didn't.

Yeah, that's exactly what you said. So then they go and then the auction starts and we're told hey stick around because after the auction just trust us it'll be worth it if you stick around musical guest not thinking it would be you too because those guys already played yeah and the end of the auction would be three hours later and they're three hours is how long the auction takes? No, but there was other speeches. It was two or three hours later.

Wow, that's a long break in between sets. It was a long evening. Yeah. So then the auction ends, and... What were you thinking in your mind? Were you thinking, maybe it's bigger than U2? I wasn't sure i didn't think it would be you too just because i just didn't think it would be i didn't know

what it would be but i we figured we would stick around and find out and then the auction ends and then they um sean penn and anderson cooper came out and said, ladies and gentlemen, you too. And then the whole band came out and plugged in. And my wife Naomi and I hopped up and just ran right up to the stage, which was only a few feet away. I guess it was like 20 feet away or something. Everybody stood up and just went up there. It was only like 200 people in the room.

Right. And they came out and plugged in and played three songs. It was pretty great. And they were like literally where the wall is. Adam's pointing at a wall that's about 300 feet away. I don't know why. That's right. No, I'm talking about the wall of the Man Chinese Theater.

Oh, yeah, yeah, which is quite a few blocks away, yeah. Which three songs did they play? May I ask you that? Thank you for asking. Yes, they played Let's Go Dancing. They played I'm on Top of the Stove. And then they stopped, and I saw them talking to each other and they're like okay let's play one more and they actually like I was and I turned to Naomi

I said they're actually deciding to play another song wow this is like an extra and then they played uh put it on top I'm going dancing on the stove wow that's amazing yep oh i can't believe it what a what a night it was a treat it was a treat it was a lot like uh i don't know if and you have uh kids kid how many uh how many little ones do you have seven kids seven kids you have seven kids so you know about halloween okay sure and what it's in uh uh october october. October. October 31st. It's O-G-G-Y-G. So October 31st, there's this thing Halloween. Yeah, the night of ghouls.

Yes, All Hallows' Eve. And there's this thing, I't know you have some you're listening you talking you too to me you you know that there's a tradition on halloween where uh you get either tricks and that's a lot of what halloween is just people tricking each other pranking but every once in a while you you get a treat. Oh, sure. Like a Reese's peanut butter. Sure, sure, sure. And that's what you're talking about.

This was a treat. It was. Thanks. That is. Thank you for taking the short way. This is the best analogy I can think of. It was great. Yes.

They played. They came out and played Vertigo. Mm-hmm. Then they played. Jimmy Stewart. They vertigo then they played jimmy stewart they played desire which hey hey these are two things that people can have vertigo and desire so they're speaking to follow i will follow yes and you know what video on my phone of you took some video of part of desire and i was going to send it to you but then i felt like after the last email i sent you i didn't hear hear back that night and so i thought am i too excited about no no i will say i went to bed early yeah so i i think that uh and i never sent the video to you that that is a mistake i would you

cannot be too excited about it i would have loved to have seen okay i just went to bed i think uh previous to your last email sure and i woke up excited to say oh i wonder if adam sent you a photo of the four guys playing yes you did send that and that's what i got when i woke up excited to say oh i wonder if adam sent you a photo of the four guys playing yes you did send that and that's what i got when i woke up that morning i was like oh i hope adam sent some some more stuff and i got that photo when i woke up all jocking aside i um was very excited very very excited how was your wife was Was she? She was great. On the way to the dinner, because we were like, geez, I mean, it's nice that we got invited, but we're not going to know anyone. We'll know Sean, of course. We'll talk about Middy.

And she actually said, I bet U2's going to play. What? Yeah. And I just thought that was not going to happen and crazy. But she was correct. But anyway, during the thing, she was cool because she knew that this would make me very excited. Yes. Well, that's what marriage is all about sometimes.

It's about letting the other one get excited every once in a while. Yeah, and then condescendingly looking at them and going, oh, how cute. That's pretty much what was happening. But it was great to see them playing that close and without any sort of any stage craft or anything they're just no lights flashing or anything and no kind of like i'm sure that they had amplifiers probably a distortion pedal or two but none of the normal accoutrement of like backing tracks or it was like you know what it was like seeing them in a garage or something, except it was in a hotel in Beverly Hills. But they sounded great.

And you know what? I will follow. No one could follow them that night. Adam, we have to take a break, actually, and I want to get to what happened on Sunday. What happened on Sunday? Well, we'll talk about it. We have to take a little break. You are listening to you talking you too to me

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Topics is on Earwolf now. Find out more at Earwolf.com slash topics. Welcome back. You talking you too to me? Are you talking you too to me? You talking you too to me? you talking you two to me you talking you to me ah the famous impressions of adam scott welcome back this is scott ackerman here with adam scott and we talked at length about this haiti benefit that uh adam was at and saw you two and like seeing him in a tiny club with 200 people and you were right up at the front.

Yeah. You could have run up on stage and asked him to do the podcast, but you didn't. I should have run up on stage and asked him for a t-shirt. That's what we really want. A fucking t-shirt. Okay, so then Sunday rolls around. We've covered Saturday extensively. Then Sunday rolls around.

We got the Globes, baby, and guess who's there? Guess who's going? Guess who's putting on the monkey suit? Guess who has two index fingers and is pointing at himself? That guy. Yeah, I went, and it was pretty uneventful, actually. I had never been, but it wasn't. You'd never been?

That's a little pun because you play Ben on Parks and Recreation. Which is the show that you were going for. Yes. The show that you were cast in that was up for an award. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, yes, we went and I didn't think we would win anyway, and then we didn't, but it was still fun.

By the way, this is a big weekend out for you and the wife, right? Was your wife there with you at the Golden Globes? Yes. So this is like a lot of sitter time. Yes. For your seven kids. Yep. Do you pay by the kid to the sitter? Yeah, we have seven babysitters lot of sitter time. Yes. For your seven kids. Yep. Do you pay by the kid to the sitter?

Yeah, we have seven babysitters. Oh, boy. Yeah. Because you don't want any of them not to get the real attention that they need. That's correct. Yeah. So what a weekend out. Was this like a weekend that you guys were like excited about?

Like, oh, boy, we get two amazing events. Or this is just what you do every weekend. You know what's great? You know what's great about living in, I call it Holly Weird sometimes. What's great is when a weekend rolls around and it's razzle-dazzle awards season, you never know what's going to happen. Boy, isn't that the truth. So then the GGs come up and uh the allens yeah you throw on

the old as you said the monkey suit yeah uh you hop in the old and the old the old the old uh limbo the brozine jump on over the bh hills and uh and uh you know, Hilton and go up and try and get some hardware. Exactly. Now this, was this at the same venue as the thing the night before? No, that was somewhere else. That was somewhere else. Okay, so two hotels in Beverly Hills. That's true.

You ever think about that? You're a little boy growing up in Santa Cruz. You're a little boy, but you're also a big boy. You know think about that? You're a little boy growing up in Santa Cruz. You're a little boy, but you're also a big boy. You know what I mean? You're like in between. You're in that in-between state. You're a big boy,

but you still have little boy dreams. Did you ever think, wow, one day I'm going to spend two consecutive days in two consecutive Beverly Hills hotel rooms? Never once did I think that would happen.

I mean, I always wanted that to happen. I want to spend an entire weekend in two different hotel ballrooms. I know I'm a little boy and I shouldn't have big boy dreams yet, but at the same time, I'm on the cusp and I'm about to be a big boy and I can have big boy dreams. And these are my big boy dreams and I can't embrace them quite yet because I'm still a little boy, but at some point. I always thought when I was a big man, maybe I would get to spend two nights in two different Beverly Hills.

Everyone does that before they die. Right. But, yeah, gosh, amazing. I mean, what an amazing confluence of events to bring you to those two hotel rooms. Yep. Hotel ballrooms. Ballrooms. And speaking of two, you two is the band that we are talking about exclusively on this podcast.

That's all we're talking about. Yes. So you're there for the GGs, which cover both television and film. And by the way, at some point we should get to um you know i love films or our other podcast absolutely um but uh you're there you didn't win but you know who does win is the woman with whom you share yes that screen very very happy moment. For her. You weren't nominated, so you were a little jealous. I felt

pretty neutral about the whole thing. No, we were all super excited. We all jumped up and screamed. We jumped up in the air and froze in the air for her entire speech. Yeah.

We were up levitating the entire cast. When you're that happy, you don't want to come down. No, you don't come down. But yeah, it was very, very exciting. She wins,

but I think we're bearing the lead if I am even saying that expression or using it correctly. Because she wins, and who is there at the GGs but our old friends, the lads from Liverpool, you two, because they are nominated for a GG. Yeah. For their song about, what was his name, Watu, what was it? Nelson Mandela. That's right.

And they're nominated for this song, and they win. And they get to go up there on that stage and have the spotlight shine upon them. Yes. In traditional Hollywood fashion. Yes. So I see that.

I see them win, and I'm like, Adam has an in there.'s he's at the ggs he's you know they're both like sort of nominated nominated in a way i mean you're not nominated but the show you work for is well the show i'm on was nominated so in a way technically though you're not i mean like if the show won you wouldn't even get a statue well but i would have accompanied the people who get the statues up onto the stage. Sure, but I mean, that's not right. I mean, you wouldn't have taken home anything. You know what I mean?

I would have taken home some wonderful memories. I guess so. But you still took home some wonderful memories. Let's be honest. A bit of a career boost. That's what it's all about. But, okay, so you two wins. Were you wondering what was going through my mind when they were up on the stage?

Yes. And I believe I texted you. I can't remember. But something about like you're there. You have to talk to them now. Well, I didn't feel that way. But I will say that when they won, I was sitting next to Nick Offerman. And they went through all the nominees of who was, you know, for all the best songs.

And Taylor Swift. You know, the television section is kind of separate from the movie section. Like, we're kind of elevated up and behind the film section. Yeah, far away. So you can't really see. You're relatively close in the room, but you can't really see who's down there.

So I don't think I had even seen U2 yet that evening, even though it's like two hours in and they were probably only like you know 30 feet away from us or something but they win and they go through all the nominees they announce that they win and those and the four guys stand up and so we can see them and and nick offerman uh just says well it's hard to beat them or something uh something like that or something about wood which i think is is is uh well put yeah well it's so well put you remembered it in exact detail i approximately remembered it so they win but i will say that when it happened i i had absolutely no idea it would make such a great story yeah well

they won and then and i i think i was texting you like dude talk to him talk to him get that t-shirt T-shirts, bro. And then what happens? But Amy, the winner, she wins for her category. Yes. She is getting what I call a back rub. Yes. By the man himself, the Bono. Yes. The Bono is sitting there rubbing her back while it cuts to her in the crowd. Yes. On the, where they read

her name out as one of the nominees. Yes. She wins. She leans back, plants a full-on smooch on him. Yes. The likes of which I have not seen since a movie like Wild Things. It was so hot

and erotic. Like, were you like, wow, is that Nev Campbell and Denise Richards in there? Is that Amy Poehler and Bono? They're indistinguishable. She plants one on him and I'm thinking, Adam. She puts one right on his kisser.

Yes. The thing with which he kisses. And I'm thinking, Adam, this is it. You got your in. That's when you need to go down there and ask him to be on the podcast. You got your in. Amy's hanging out with him. Right. Amy's kissing him.

Right. She can really easily be like, oh, by the way, this is my TV boyfriend. Yeah. Do his podcast, and Bono has to. Right. Because she just won the award. She's, you know, being honored. See, that's an opportunity I missed.

What's going on? What happened? What happened? I thought maybe, just maybe, Scott, maybe this was her moment. And it's not all about us and our podcast. I mean, sure, this is incredibly important. And sure, millions of people are going to be listening to this. But maybe that wasn't the moment.

Maybe I sacrifice a little something and let Bono have the spotlight for once. I don't know. I mean, did you see her after that? What is Amy like? Does she just like, once they all cut, she doesn't talk to you anymore? Or like, have you actually talked to her on a personal level since this happened? Listen, Amy and I have worked together for a while now, a few years. I feel like we're getting close to that.

We're getting closer to the moment where I feel like we're going to break into a conversation of some sort. A convo. Like off camera. Because on camera we have all sorts of dialogue. No, I've seen the show and you have a lot of dialogue with each other where you're having convos, as we called them just moments ago yeah just like short for conversation we have convos um i mean our two characters on the show are now married we have this whole relationship so i feel like we're

getting closer to she and i touching base and um kind of a meeting of the minds in a sense and getting a conversation, getting our own convo started. Sure, yeah. And I'm looking forward to that. I think that's something that's down the road a bit, but I think it's going to happen. All right. Well, maybe the first thing you say to her can be like, hey, do you think that guy you kissed, you could maybe get him to come to the Earwolf Studios?

See, Scott, that's not the first thing I'm going to mention just because a convo is going to, you know, there's a certain warming up period in a convo. Okay. It's going to happen during that first conversation. It's just not the first thing I'm going to say. Maybe throw a how are you, by the way, that guy you kissed. Exactly. Something like that. Like, look at the sun.

By the way, you know, what about some t-shirts? That's all I'm asking for. Right. That's all I'm asking for. Okay. Well, silly me. I thought that maybe at the governor's ball afterwards, Bono would have been hanging around the bar and you would have went up to him. And, you know, I mean, I don't know.

I didn't know that I was doing this podcast with a coward. That's all I wanted to say. Scott, you obviously don't know how Hollywood works. Maybe that's true. I'm not being invited to these things. And I don't mean any offense by this. No, none taken so far. But you're being a cunt.

Hmm. Maybe a little offense taken. I mean, I can feel my offense meter rising just a little bit, you know? Oh, I can see the meter going up as well. Yeah. I'm sorry. You know what? I mean, I think that word, you know, is kind of—

I didn't mean any offense by it at all. It's like, why do you have to use a word that can only be used against women for me? You know what I mean? It's like, could you use a gender-neutral word, you know, and maybe we can have a real conversation? The other thing is, if you curse, it just gives me an excuse not to listen to what you're truly saying. Okay. I apologize if I offended you. I'm not apologizing for what I said.

For the content. I'm just saying I'm apologizing if you were offended. Okay. Those are my favorite types of apologies, and I accept. Thank you so much. I know that you love those kinds of apologies. Well, look, Adam, I wish you'd talk to him, but I think we still got a chance because he's going to be

hanging around trying to get that Oscar gold. So at some point we're going to get him. All right? So we have to take another break. We're talking U2. We are talking exclusively

U2 on this show. When we come back, we have a very special guest. We have director Lance Bangs is here. Lance Bangs! And he's going to be telling us stories about U2, and we're just going to be talking U2 exclusively on this show.

Hey, is Lance Bangs going to be talking U2 to me? I believe he may. We have a very special guest. I've known him for, I'm going to say 14 years at this point. He is a director and a producer, I imagine, and a documentarian, and he works in the arts, and that's all that's important to me. I know that there really isn't anything as important to you, Scott. This is Scott talking. Thanks, Scott.

As the arts. And that's one of the things I admire about you. The arts lift us up out of our humdrum doldrums. So anyway, our guest is an esteemed member of the arts community. Yes, that is what I'm trying to say. He creates. Yes. He is what I'm trying to say. He creates. He gives something to the world. He doesn't just take. He's not sitting there on the

unemployment line saying, Hey, give me a handout. Here we go. He's actually giving something for your hard-earned money. And that should be applauded. Just don't talk about the flat tax that you think our country should be doing. Okay, alright talk about the flat tax that you think okay all right well you know i mean it's a good idea that's all i'm gonna say about it but anyway um

uh we'll talk about his credits when i introduce him lance banks is here hello hello hey lance hello scott hello scott lance i've known you for a good amount of time. I mentioned 14 years. We first got to know each other on the set of the Mr. Show movie, Run, Ronnie, Run, where you were. Is this the accurate description of your job? You were hired to do the EPK? Was that sort of? Yeah, the idea was at that time period that I'd come to some of the Mr. Show tapings and been around when they were doing the comedy here in town when you were writing and appearing in some of the segments

at Hollywood Center Studios when you were shooting there? Certainly, I mean, yes. And they knew that the film needed to have a little press kit thing where there's interviews with the talent that goes out to TV stations. And at that time, a local affiliate would have inserted themselves looking like they were interviewing David Cross and then cut back to the footage we shot to make it seem like he'd... It's a lot like that Byron Allen show where he does that. That's right. They don't really do that anymore. No, but I think it's a

dead format. But at that moment, the studio still kind of thought they needed that content. And the guys were kind of savvy enough to be like, look, why don't you come just document the whole thing, hang out while we're writing and as we're figuring everything out and then just come to the shoot, it's going to happen in Georgia. And I was living in Athens, Georgia at the time. And we'll just take the budget from the EPK thing and have you document the whole production and hang out and be around for everything. And you were going to do a lot of different stuff for the eventual DVD. Exactly, yeah.

And then when the release of the film got delayed and delayed and delayed, and no one was really asking to get the footage back, we just sort of cut some weird things out of it and then held on to the rest. Did you make a documentary out of it? I have cut a bunch of footage into it. Oh, I would love to see that. Do you know cut some weird things out of it and then held on to the rest did you make a documentary out of it i have cut a bunch of footage into like oh do you still have something i would love to see i mean the only stuff that i've ever seen that you showed me was like the documentary the short documentary you made about a resident of that town yep porterdale georgia there was a guy that uh had a whole collection of old hammers in his basement and i made the mistake of kind of befriending him.

Like, hey, what are you doing there? And kind of came over and talked to the guy and went down to a crawl space under a house in Porterdale, Georgia, where there was just all these antique hammers. And I realized that they were for when you hit a cattle to kill them. They were those kind of hammers. And realized that I hadn't let people know

where I was going. And I was really in a bad situation. I may never return. Yeah. Wow. And you got footage of all of this? Oh, yeah. And the guy's amazing, his speaking style and anecdotes.

You also got footage of just that movie kind of disintegrating. Correct. There's a lot of footage afterwards, once you get into the edit, and you guys sort of rewriting or reconceiving things, or could we do ADR here to sell that joke better, or how do we speed up this incredibly long crane shot that's killing the pacing of the humor? Were we ever so young? I don't know.

But you and I had a particularly long conversation outside of a prison in Georgia. Yeah, I remember that prison. What was the conversation about? You just kind of opened up about your life and sort of growing up where you did in California. Well, you know, I've opened up quite a bit on this show, you talking you too to me. So listeners of that show will not be surprised to hear that I open up sometimes. Scott's talked a lot about his life as a boy. As a young little boy, but I wanted to be a big boy.

And here you are. Here I am. But Lance, we should also talk about some of your other credits. We have a lot of music videos. You have Know Your Onion by the shins uh you have neighborhood three power out by arcade fire uh 10 by 10 by the yeah yeah yeahs uh monomena i remember seeing your name on that and declare independence by bjork you were the cinematographer not the director director. And you also are seen a lot in the Jackass movies where you were – what were you doing for them? There was a camera operator for that.

I shot a bit for the TV show, and then when they were going to make a film, the idea was that they weren't sure that people wanted to watch 90 minutes straight of set-up, bit, set-up, bit bit over and over. And so Spike thought that if I shot kind of more documentary footage and personality of the guys as we're getting things built up or as they went wrong and what the aftermath was, that might help connect it better. And then I think that when I would react badly to stunts that went gross or wrong, they would always tend to turn the camera on you because

you throw up. Because I remember a paper cut thing making you really sick. Yeah, I passed out during that one. But that wasn't what it seemed like. Yeah, that's right. Was that in part one? That was in the first movie, yeah. But it wasn't what it seemed like.

It was a different scenario than how it played. It was a really horrible motel room in Florida, hot, humid. It was Steve-O's room that he'd been living in and fucking up and making smell horrible for a week. The windows were all sealed shut. There was no air conditioning in the room. We had all these super hot lights to kind of get enough of a light level to film and the bit was that they had all these like aquariums full of rubbing alcohol the idea was to like deliberately get paper cuts and then dunk them into aquariums of rubbing alcohol and so the room had just kind of like we were like delayed and getting there to set up and these hot lights were on forever and like we had the wrong kind of like rubbing alcohol and and so it smelled

it smelled horrible and like enough of the heat had made the rubbing alcohol evaporate into the air that you were breathing rubbing alcohol at that point there's no like the air wasn't circulating so you were breathing evaporated rubbing alcohol and we've been filming all day and it wasn't something where we had like union breaks after six hours of a meal or whatever it's just like a van full of guys in their twenties running around and thinking of fucked up stuff to go do and then keeping shooting. And because I was shooting constantly for all the documentary stuff, I was never, you know, getting a break or going and sitting down when I wasn't in a bit or something.

And so when we got to set up that shoot, I hadn't eaten and someone was like, oh, like we should get Lance some food. And they ordered like a pizza and it turned out to be like a Florida version of pizza where like there's a layer of pepperoni buried underneath like hidden under the cheese and i haven't eaten meat since that this record had come out and so since the smith's record like the day it came out as soon as i heard it yeah like the day you heard it you agree absolutely i just remember that coming out i was like oh that's the worst song on this record i i fell for it i was like you know 12 years old or whatever and it really like connected to a young boy yeah wanted to be a big boy yes but so uh like

i was like with a giant camera on my shoulder one hand like with the left hand sort of like eating slices of this pizza and feeling like god this tastes like way saltier than i remember pizza tasting and like realize that like buried under a layer of cheese was this like worst low-level florida yeah you know we all know that the worst pepperoni in this country is in Florida. Some good pepperoni, I'd say Maine. Maine has terrific pepperoni. You get some delicious pepperoni. And every once in a while when you're in Florida, you can find Maine pepperoni.

Sure. But not often and probably not at this pizza place. I think the Wyoming pepperoni is just the way they harvest it there is just, you know, they really do it right. They chop off the legs of the cow right at the knee. Yeah, exactly. So I tried to keep shooting and just have this giant, you know, camera. Back on track. He's a professional.

He knows when to end a bit and just get right back on track with the story. That's why I like Lance. All right, go ahead. And then eventually just got overwhelmed from the fumes and started to turn green and i was still shooting and then they i think knoxville and everyone notices and is like lance lance look at lance turn the camera let's watch let's get footage of this and i think i vomited and passed out oh my god um you know lance and i met uh i don't care uh Now, you also are the... This is the best story you'll ever hear, though.

Okay. Go ahead. Lance and I met just this evening. Wow. I'm kidding. We've known each other for years. We should say you guys work together on the greatest event in television history. We direct the greatest event in television history together.

Co-director. I imagine Lance does all the work and you just kind of show up every once in a while. Okay, great. We met through music because I was just a young boy. You're a young boy. You wanted to be a big boy. I wanted to be a big boy and I was doing a recurring role on a little show, not to brag, a little show called Party of five okay party of five that's

the one where you were the caterers and you were no that scott no party of five five caterers five ken marino jane lynch no this is 1998 nev campbell i think your years are a little off. Matthew Fox. Lacey Chabert. Ringing any bells? Ringing a couple of bells. Which ones? My balls.

Not back then, not in those years. Is this ringing your balls? Is this ringing any balls for you? So wait, you were doing a bit part on Party of Five? I assume it's a bit part. Not a bit part. A recurring role as Josh Makin. Oh, Josh Makin.

I love that guy. Actually, I don't know if it was... I know the name was Josh. I don't know what the last name was. Makin Whoopie, I hope. You have a love interest? My balls were ringing. And so I was doing this, and all of a sudden,

I get the news that REM is going to come and do an episode of Party of Five. And instead of getting bummed out that my favorite band was doing party now doing party of five i became i got really excited because i knew i was going to get to you know at least go and be there for whatever they were doing and what they ended up doing is shooting a scene where they're playing on a stage when they at a concert where the characters are out in the audience. But before they shot that scene, they came and played like a full set for everybody. They did? For the Party of Five crew?

Yeah. They played for about an hour for everyone that was there. Do you remember that? Yeah. And Chris Bilheimer would have been there and meeting you most likely at that time as well. Yeah, but you were around as well. That's when I met you was in that period of time. Wow.

You were so sure about it before. Chris Joheimer, another dear friend of ours, worked for REM at the time. And so that's when I met Chris. Were you not there for the Party of Five? I was there for a little bit of that. But then I feel like we started really talking more not at that occasion or something. Yeah, but then there were – we would all go out for – we all went out for drinks like after the Party of Five taping, and I feel like you were there. Oh, man, the story is going nowhere.

Mark Williams. Okay. Boy. So anyway, just because this is a podcast about music and about how music sort of affects our lives. Well, you too, music. And about how songs fill the air. You know what?

I was making fun of you, but you're right. Thank you very much. You're right. They do fill the air. Vibrations are all around us, and songs take up a lot of those vibrations. Thank you for saying it. Worse. Well, so you guys met. That's great.

That's where we met. All right. So, and you've kept up a long friendship because as far as I'm concerned, that's a long time. Yeah. Right? That's nigh on 20 years at this point.

Right before you and I might have met. Yeah. Wow. Crazy. No, it was after because Mr. Show Movie was more like 97. Wasn't it? No, we filmed it in 2000. No, it was after because Mr. Show Movie was more like 97. Wasn't it? No, we filmed it in 2000.

Oh, you did? Yeah. In fact, I watched the entire... Remember back in 2000 in November? Yes. There was a usurper to the throne, Al Gore, trying to snatch it away from our guy JWB. And thankfully, I was watching all that from the hotel room going, Thank God. Al, go back to the

internet. Nice try, buddy. Maybe next time, bro. So I was watching that while we were filming. Oh, really? All of that was happening? Yeah, I had a week where i didn't film anything i was just sitting in my hotel room watching that going why why weren't you filming anything well another long story but uh i was i production woes i went out there ostensibly to

uh learn a lot more about uh making a movie and first take of First Day, I was told to go away. Because you were the writer? Yes. And even though I had cleared, hey, do you mind if I just sort of like shadow you and watch, you know, everything? Because I'm interested in directing.

Go away. Oh, no. Okay. So anyway, so you guys, and then also, Lance, we should say you are the executive producer of loiter squad on the adult swim network which is the odd future show you hang out with

them so a lot you know you're hanging out with a lot of uh uh interesting people and you do a lot of interesting things and chief among them is you too and we're talking you too to you adam on this talking you too to me yes that's true but we also this is and i haven't said this yet this is the episode that deals with rattle and hum yeah we're only an hour in so i should have mentioned that at the top we're talking rattle and hum all episode the entire time the entire time we'll be talking rattle and hum the entire time the entire time we'll be talking rattle and hum so uh that's where we are chronologically yeah if you if you're just joining us rattle and hum now did you two tell any stories about seeing them live yet because you would have most likely been first time i saw him live was uh

josh uh how do you pronounce it josh josh josh josh josh josh josh about staying up all night to get tickets, or ticks, as we say in the biz. Sure. And that was up to Rattle and Hum. That was the only time I had seen them live. Yes. I didn't see them live until Octoon Baby. Okay, great. And you, Lance, what are your experiences with U2?

When is the first time you ever heard them? I probably heard them most likely around the time of war like maybe Sunday Bloody Sunday Sunday Bloody Sunday and was living in a military base in Montgomery Alabama most likely when that one came out

and would sort of ride a bike to a record store called Turtles and buy their 12 inches and records Turtles why would it be called turtles? Because a 12-inch record sort of looks like the shell of a turtle? No, it's just sort of the color scheme of the record store. I like it. It was green.

Yeah. Green and yellow. And had a giant shell on top of it. The roof. Right. Well, I call them shells. Yeah. I mean, houses are a lot like turtles.

And birdhouses are the turtles for birds. Right. Yeah. I mean, houses are a lot like turtles and bird houses are the turtles for birds. Right. Yep. Should we do that podcast? Uh, all about houses, all about houses. Let's talk about it. Okay, here we go. This is the first episode of all about houses. Hey, we're here. Uh, all about houses and I'm your host Scott Aukerman and uh, here's my boy wonder Adam Scott. Hey everybody. Uh, Hey, everybody. Today we're talking about foundations. How's your foundation, Scott? How's your foundation. Exactly.

In another way of putting it. Yes, you mentioned my name. How's your foundation? You know what? Metaphorically, not so good, but my actual house, amazing. This has been All About Houses. I'm Adam Scott. This is Scott Aukckerman we'll see you

next time on all about houses great great episode that was not bad it's really Hey, why didn't you join in on that? Lance, don't you have a house? Lance is more of a fan of that podcast. Oh, okay. You just wanted to listen. I understand. So you go to Turtles.

Yeah. And so that would have been, you know, again. 1983-ish? Yeah. Four-ish? 83, 84. So War and then Unforgettable Fire. I was really fond of that, but was too young to, on my own, find a way to go see concerts or whatever.

And then when the Joshua Tree is about to come out in the spring of 87. 87. Got tickets and went up to the Brendan Byrne Arena in New Jersey for the last couple shows of the spring version of that tour. You were no longer in the military base at that point? Well, we were in a different one in Willingburn, New Jersey during that time. Okay. And so Philadelphia would have been closer, but they didn't play that on the first leg. They didn't play Philly?

Not until the fall. You two. Went to the Brandenburg Arena and saw some of the shows. Sorry, Lance. What's the problem, Scott? You got to play Philly on your first leg. Well, they got around to it on the second leg. Got around to it? What's the big D? Philly fans your first leg. Well, they got around to it on the second leg. Got around to it.

What's the big D? Philly fans are the best fans in the world. You've always said that. Always. I played some wonderful shows there over the past couple of years. They are wonderful fans, and I don't like to hear about Philly fans being slighted in 1987. I would say they're not just fans. They're fanatics.

But this is almost 20 years ago. I don't know. Maybe things were different 20 years ago in 1987. Yeah, they were. There were no big video screens out in the stadiums. You just had to go play. That's true. Maybe they didn't have enough guitars for Philadelphia.

That could be. Did you ever hear anything like that, Lance, where they were like, hey, U2 wants to play, but there aren't enough guitars? I think that's why they waited until the fall. Okay. Okay? Okay. Are you ready to apologize? I'm sated.

Wait. You know what? I apologize if you got offended. A little. Not for the content of what I said. It's like when I called you a cunt. Right. Yeah.

You got offended. Very similar. And you apologized if I got offended, and I happened to get offended, and I accepted that apology. But I did not apologize for what I said. No, why would you? And that is your favorite kind of apology. Yes, I love it. So you saw them in New Jersey, you say?

Yeah, like the Brenner Burn Arena up in the Meadowlands area, essentially. And it was a great show, and they did that long intro where like larry mullen came out first and for the beginning of streets have no name was just like hitting that symbol i don't remember that so they would start the show and like he just kind of came out alone and just like hit a symbol with a effect on it yeah and then like read it let it ring for a while before they would begin the sort of the chords of the of which the landscape um streets have no name streets have no name so he would come out and go yeah and then everyone's like and it's still dark and there's just like a little bit of light on him so this is is this an arena or a indoor

arena yeah but they had there were no video screens right not that i remember from that do they have enough guitars at this place they They did. Okay. And did they, how did they hold the arenas? Because watching From the Sky Down, a big major thing about... Which you said you were going to loan me and you did not.

A big problem, speaking of problems, a big problem with that tour was they grew in size as a band so exponentially, so quickly that they couldn't

quite handle entertaining these big crowds they didn't know how to they have because they were used to what playing smaller places i guess they were talking specifically about stadiums with this that they didn't have it was before the days of video screen support, as they call it. But how would they entertain such a big crowd without all the effects? Well, this one was like an indoor arena, probably like 14,000 to 18,000 people at most. I think that's the type of place I saw them in where you could still – Yeah. Like Staples, I guess? Smaller than Staples, I would imagine.

Smaller than Staples, yeah, where you could still kind of – That's my favorite – No matter where you were, I was pretty far away, but you could still see them. That's my favorite place to see U2 is in a place this size. Other than seeing them. 30 feet away. Yeah. Yeah, with only 200 other people around playing a three song set.

Which I did. Yeah, no, I know you did that. Yeah, yeah. A mere five days ago. Sure, yeah. Okay. But I think they're at their best in the arena rather than a stadium. I've seen them in two stadiums, Rose Bowl and Coliseum.

Not my favorite shows. Yeah, I saw them at Dodger Stadium and Rose Bowl. Neither my favorite shows, although the Rose Bowl show, I thought there was some great things there they designed that show perfectly for that size you know who i did see at dodger stadium that was really good were the dodgers they hit a couple of home runs and a couple of singles and a couple of doubles and they heard of them. They won the game, and it was really exciting to watch in that stadium. Never heard of them.

So, Lance, you're there. It's Joshua Tree. How old of a man are you, would you say, at this point in time? It's 1987. Yeah, I would have been 14, not yet 15. 14, yeah. So, amazing. You're a 14-year-old.

You're watching Joshua Tree. You're a big boy. And how old you're watching joshua tree you're a big boy and how did you feel watching this it was great and i feel like around that time they were doing a little bit of level terrace apart at the end of with or without you like they they were i don't remember this yeah so it was like the song was on the radio and was a single that came out right before the record in march maybe and then this would have been may that they were doing this show so the people there were primarily people that had followed them on the previous records who bought tickets,

just knowing it was a new U2 tour coming up and not yet everyone that was like hearing over that summer, you know, still haven't found them. The fraternities had joined. Exactly. So it was, yeah,

that was what was going on with them. So, you know, I was 14 and most of the people there were like college students or people in their early twenties who were wearing shirts from like the war tour or whatever. People like at that point still like making flags. White flags.

Irish flags and white flags. Sure, are you still doing the bit where you wave this around? I'm still expecting to get like pulled on stage to dance to Party Girl or something. Right, right, right. And so that was sort of the vibe of the crowd, like a lot of like college girls and stuff. It was a great show. I think maybe Lone Justice would have. I love college girls.

We should have another podcast about college girls. You know what we should do is we should, on our next episode, get a bunch of college girls in here. What are we doing? Can I talk to you

for a second over here, Adam? Sure, let's have a private conversation. Lance, hold on a second. What are we doing with Lance here? Why don't we have college girls coming in here? I know he's your old friend.

He's my old friend, but what the fuck are you doing? Can we just say Lance is a terrific person? No. He has a depth of knowledge about music and American culture like no other. This concert he went to at 14 that I don't remember a single thing other than seeing Bono far away and kind of going, Bono fart away?

Bono fart, yeah. He came out, he farted at the crowd. I don't remember anything about it. That's an insane thing for a rock star to do. Lance remembers everything about this night and the songs they played. I know. And it's great. But then he said the two words.

My two favorite words in the English language. College girls. College girls. And my mind exploded. College girls. And I started thinking about college girls. Why are we doing this? And why am I doing anything?

Let's just get college girls in here. They don't even have to have ever listened to you. Just college girls. We'll talk to them and we'll see what they're interested in. We'll just talk to them for a while. I'm not kidding. Let's get a couple of college girls. The next episode, let's not go to Octoom Baby at all.

Let's just talk to college girls about their lives. Or we talk about Octoom Baby, but we have a couple college girls in here telling us what they think sure because it's gonna it's gonna be more interesting than anything that we have to say or at least we can pretend like it is yeah okay all right that's a good plan all right end of private conversation hey lance hey guys what's up thanks for uh being here this is really fascinating So they played a snippet of Love Will Tear You Apart. I think, yeah, I think around that time they were playing, not the NXS song. They were playing, ended up like a little part of Love, yeah, Love Will Tear Us Apart, the Joy Division song.

And they had, like early on, they had had Martin Hannett who produced all the Joy Division stuff. We had talked about that on a previous episode that I don't believe you heard, that they wanted him to produce Boy, and Martin Hannett was so despondent over the suicide of um Ian Holm what is his name John F Kennedy you think John F Kennedy committed suicide he did not that would be tough to do my friend I knew that that I've heard of a magic bullet but that would have to be really magic i knew that that didn't happen i'm i was just kidding but he was so despondent over the suicide of ian curtis that he did not produce that record instead they got the master at the board steve lily white that's right that's right a little bit by the way this you're listening to you talking

you too to me the uh comprehensive compendium of information about U2. And that's exactly what we're talking about when we talk about the things you're going to hear on this show. So, Martin Hannett. Anyway, so, yeah, like he did that single before Boy. He did maybe like 11 o'clock TikTok. Out of Control or something like that. I think it was 11 o'clock TikTok that he did. Oh, yeah, yeah.

But he recorded it. They were in so early for that sound. It's not an affectation that they picked up afterwards when there was a legacy around Joe Davidson. They had him producing stuff before Closer had come out, before Ian was dead. When it genuinely was like that was the band that they were, they were a band of people who had these sort of

Suzie and the Banshees and Lou Reed and Velvet Underground sort of influences. I heard something about Martin Hanna where he would record every piece of the drum kit separately and then he would construct it like he would layer it where they were supposed to be.

Does that make sense? That's one of the stories about, yeah. He would just have a guy doing the kick drum and he just wanted to record that and then he would put another layer of tape

over that of the snare and then every single piece. Why would he do that, do you think? another layer of tape over that of the snare and then every single piece Why would he do that do you think? You would not have like overlap of like the same frequencies ringing from the

resonant air from the drums So they could all be airtight separately? Correct yeah Interesting And then you also have probably more width

on the tape to you know get each little element to How do you guys feel Boy would differ if he had produced it well the trick is that he was kind of binging on a lot of drugs at that point of his work and so he was kind of there's other records he did that are not great from that time period uh-huh okay you know sort

of in a haze or not at his best so as a reaction as a reaction to uh john f kennedy's uh suicide exactly and the things about like ian being maybe more internal like ian wasn't trying to project as a reaction to John F. Kennedy's suicide. Exactly. And the things about Ian being maybe more internal, like Ian wasn't trying to project in this massive way that Bono seems to go for. Yeah. And so the more internal, thoughtful thing maybe matches Martin Hannett's production style better. Yeah.

And I don't know if someone that was like, ah, would have worked in that setting as well. Interesting. All right. All right. So you went to this first U2 concert. Did it blow your mind? Because you'd been

a fan for a couple of years. You'd been going to Turtles picking up their 12 inches. Was this what you wanted it to be? It was. Like there were other bands that I loved more that were more precious to me

at that time that I was more connected with. Who would be, we talked about Meeta's Murder. Yep. So this is maybe before, no, I guess like,

yeah, The Smiths was already something that was going on and R.E.M. at that time and you know Joy Division

and this is like Life's Rich Pageant documentary yeah exactly and already it felt like U2 was like

playing to the back of the room in a larger more grandiose way and it felt like the lyric writing on that record had shifted from

being specific to being more like what are the images that someone who only speaks greek would know of america like desert sky river like these kind of very archetypical reference points did you like that no i really did not connect with that it felt like someone was kind of dumbing things down for uh swinging for like a broader audience and you knew this watching them like you didn't know joshua tree as an album yet. You were just... No, yeah, the record was out

at that point. Okay, but it wasn't huge yet. It wasn't huge yet. It was kind of building and it was maybe before the kind of like Time Magazine cover Best Rock Band Life.

So did you feel like Joshua Tree was a direct stab at a wider audience and you weren't into that? Well, I didn't mind because there's still some tones and sounds

on that record that are interesting. Like, you know, With or Without You is its own weird mood and feeling that isn't in a traditional way. It's a weird first single, isn't it? It is, for sure. When you think of the massive hits of Where the Streets Have No Name and I Still Haven't

Found What I'm Looking For, to pick that as the single is a little out of a choice. Yeah, it's a much more internal, brooding piece. That was what I was responding to when that was on the radio before the record came out. Like, oh, this is interesting, but it's desert, flame, all these kind of things. And when you heard the whole album, it's like, okay, well, they're deliberately going for this Anton Corbijn photo of

this is the imagery they're dealing with. But it also felt like, well, Springsteen's already done the river. To hear these same themes getting thrown over and over. Is that kind of the same thing that the Killers did too in a way? Although they were a little more Springsteen-y, but U2 is doing the same thing the Killers did in a way. You know how the Killers are like...

I think everything U2 does is just kind of following the Killers. But no, the Killers, even for their second record... Sam's Town. Sam's Town. They went, the Killers, even for their second record. Samstown. Samstown. They went for the, you know, the archetypical desert driving. And they had Anton Corbin photos for that record and all that kind of stuff. So they were sort of like trying to do the same thing U2 did, which is like, hey, talk about America in general in these kind of generalized tones. That's why all of the critics at the time were like, you're just trying to do what U2 did,

and you're trying to make Born to Run. But there are some great songs on that album. Hey, I love the Killers. I love their records. Me too. So U2, so you weren't quite on board with Joshua Tree. No, it's a great record to me at that time at age 14, and I was at least conscious of like,

oh, this is getting less weird or specific, or there's nothing that goes into the crazy drum patterns from war yeah there's nothing that goes as like one take drum patterns on war pretty amazing they're amazing yeah yeah that we you haven't heard our first episode we talk about that with that is in our opinion their most consistent record we went through war track by track oh wow having not really listened to it in a while and we're kind of blown away by how every track is good. And so that was the other weird thing. Like, you know you have maybe the, you know,

the rock drummer at that time who's willing to play to an arena and not be hiding themselves. They're like, oh, I'm going to just kind of sabotage this and do a weird, you know, someone that's like willing to play for a giant crowd at that kind of projected format, but make interesting patterns out of it. And with maybe the best

rhythm section basis alongside that to have that power and be like, oh, this one's just going to be like a tone poem soundscape instead and those guys will sit it out.

Those are weird tensions to go into and make work in a lot of the case so that you get things that are 4th of July or whatever

that are these nice little soundscapes that are actually like effective and yeah and work but then like they weren't really

coming across live during the Unforgettable Fire tour it doesn't seem like and so now they were doing stuff that's more stripped down and ready to play

yeah to a big space but it wasn't quite yet the time that they were doing the outdoor stadiums right how do you feel about

the Joshua Tree now like I think it holds up there's like great stuff all the way throughout it and that like Trip Through Your Wires or One Tree Hill are things that you can still totally listen to now

that aren't as like burnout. Yeah, me too. That side too is just spectacular. We were talking about that in the last episode. Well, we were talking about how if you took the first four songs off of it, you might want to listen to it a little more because like those first four songs

are so popular that it's like you can't hear it without you can't really judge them as songs anymore yeah their standards their American standards away and so but let's get to rattle and hum because we are this is the rattle and hum episode we're talking a lot about it at this we are one hour and 24 minutes but Lance tell Lance, tell us about Rattle & Hum, and then tell us about how you first encountered the band personally, on a personal level. Okay, I guess the first time I met them personally was like a brief thing. Like later that fall, they came back to do like the North American tour fall version. This is when they were huge. This is like 87. Did they play Philly?

They played Philly. They played JFK Stadium, which is where the Eagles played at that time. Good, good, good. And it was like one of the early... Are you all right, Scott? They have enough guitars,

everything. They didn't, and so they brought out Bruce Springsteen at the end to play guitar. Okay, good, good, good. But it was like a horrible building

that no one really loved. It was just a giant thing. Whenever they first invented the idea of American stadiums... Hey, what if we got a lot of people into one place? Exactly.

So the urinals were just like the mass troughs that everyone's like standing there yeah love it i love that i love that you like peeing in there i love peeing in there i like just hanging out in there and smelling all the pee you like to just uh shake shake it off i love that but it was the first time that i saw people having sex like there was a couple that just started like really drunk just started like fucking near the sound booth. What? Really? I love this.

Who was the opening band? I should look it up. Was it the Hooters? Lone Justice definitely did the show in the spring, but I don't remember who did the JFK one. Who did you say first? Lone Justice was in the spring. Oh, Lone Justice. Ray McKee, which they did a duet with her on the Rattle and Hum sessions.

Oh, really? Yes. Not released on the Rattle and Hum sessions. Oh, really? Yes. Not released on the Rattle and Hum record, but it was released on... Hold on. Here we go. Fortunate Son came out on the Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses single. And that's a duet with her? That's a duet with Maria McKee, Alone Justice.

So it was actually Little Steven and the Disciples of Soul that opened up that show. Oh, I saw them at the Us Festival. We talked a lot about the Us Festival in our first episode. Like 40 minutes. Please don't ask him any questions about the Us Festival.

He will just go off with every detail. So this was like a weirder feeling because this was a show where I was in suburban New Jersey during high school and sort of a lot of people at the time I thought were just confronting or pretending that they had mob ties, but later on realized they genuinely

were the kids of Mafiosi who were in a Catholic school, basically. So this kid, all these guys, whoever it was that had an iRock or car to give us a guy to the show. Is this a person who will now have us killed if we talk about him on the radio? Not this guy. What did you just say?

Not this guy in particular. Oh my God. Chris. Like people that own auto body shops for which there was no garage door to let cars in to get worked on, but they were just like money laundering setups. Sure. Oh, nice. And so.

So you went to the YouTube show with people like this? So now like all these dudes that like, you know, nice. So you went to the U2 show with people like this? Now, all these dudes, I couldn't talk anyone to go in to see this. Who? Who? And now it's like

the summer's passed and everyone's like, yeah, this is a rock show. Hey. U2. U2. Hey, you talking U2 to me? That's what they were saying

back then. Yeah. So there's this great kid, Brandon Kyler, that goes and then some other people and we end up all in this area. So it was like people fucking kind of back So there's this great kid, Brandon Kyler, that goes, and then like some other people, and we end up like all, you know,

in this area. So it was like people fucking kind of back in, well, it was still daylight. Which position are they in? They're standing somehow, like with their skirt lifted up.

And which, by the way, you said the first time you've ever seen people fucking like, when are the next times? What was a repeat of this? And so, like I guess little Steven plays,

and was he fucking anyone while he was not okay lance when was the second time you saw people fucking in public i think it was in slovenia during a green day tour wow of course let's have a separate show where you just talk about who you've seen fucking public we'll just call it public fucking. And then we'll get those college girls on. And we'll get the t-shirts. Okay, all right, all right. So, that show, like, people were just

getting, like, trampled and squashed and they did not have any sort of a stage show or... The U2 show. Yeah, this is like, you know, fall of 87.

It is a thing where it's like a place that's meant for 87,000 people. Yeah. And, you know, I'm sure the people in the back can't see

and it's all general admission on the floor. And in a way that they kind of stopped doing after the Who concert, but now enough years had passed that it's like, we can sell more tickets. Yeah, let's try and do this again. So it was a bummer and

I got kind of trampled a bit and was also at that time doing work for Greenpeace and Committee in Salvador. So you're 15 at this point? Yeah, at this point I turned 15. And you're doing work for Greenpeace? Like tabling at concerts. Not like I'm working at their headquarters, but mailing out brochures and stuff like that.

Which you know what I was doing when I was 15? Yanking your own chain? Exclusively. And I think that maybe you two had some kind of tabling going on with Amnesty International or Committee on Solidarity for the People of El Salvador. One of those groups. And I got some kind of credential to go to some kind of meet and greet or something like that. But anyway, I got

kind of stepped on or trampled a little bit, and I was pretty small at that point in my life, and got kind of passed over the barricade and then dumped over to the area, but then had this weird little credential thing and kind of popped over and said hi briefly. Not that we ever talked or had any significant

conversation or whatever, but Bono had his arm in a sling like i think he'd fallen off of a stage and he used to climb up on the lights yeah all the time and so he had like an arm in a sling and like but i somehow ended up with like his water bottle and it wasn't like a it was like back before they were like selling you know so it was like a sports thing with a built-in thing with it and like because i was like it was before the watered bottle cra built-in thing with it. And like, cause I was like looking at- It was before the watered bottle craze of the early 90s. Well, that happened in 1989, I believe. April 13th, 1989.

I remember that craze started. The water bottle craze. Yeah, yeah. So this would be before- It was like a weird athletic gear looking kind of thing. And like, cause I probably look like trampled or half dehydrated or whatever. And like kind of, you know,

had to leave and went back out. Did he hand it to you? No, I might've grabbed it. Or did you steal it? Okay. I might've grabbed it. So went, like, I think it was like, hey, like, you know, denigrant kind of thing. And then like kept it.

And so went back out to the crowd and kind of eventually found my friends. It's all pre-cell phone. Just like guessing where we'd kind of been before in relation to stuff. And found my friends and like, was like, hey, I've got bono's water ball i'm like nobody believes me you thought you'd finally be cool yeah i thought i'd finally be cool which by the way when i saw when i was 13 i believe i i saw striper at knott's berry farm wow the christian heavy metal christian heavy metal band and they threw out their, their striped yellow and black attack cup. I caught it and a guy paid me $20.

And this is 1983 money. Damn. Paid me $20 for it. So you could have gotten a pretty penny for that if anyone had believed you. You know what was going on in 1983? Were you yanking your own crank? No. I went to the Us Festival.

Oh, God. All right. So this is kind of when it feels like things are going off track or it's not whatever I was responding to, like listening to tapes of Unforgettable Fire or War, that things have kind of exponentially blossomed or grown, where it didn't feel like this... I didn't feel like a connection to everyone else that was there at that fucking in the stands or whatever, this thing anymore. Where it's become bigger than what you think

the band is yeah like if the Smiths had broken that way what would you know like if all of a sudden

frat guys were going to see the Smiths that would be weird wouldn't it and that's a lot like what happened at the time but they were deliberately

going for it like it was clear that that was the trajectory that they wanted that's what they wanted yeah for sure they wanted everyone yeah

so now what is your next experience with the band for it. It was clear that that was the trajectory that they wanted. That's what they wanted. They wanted everyone. Yeah. So now what is your next experience with the band? Probably, so they were filming that show. They shot footage in Philadelphia and I was interested in filmmaking at that time and noticed that there were cameras and it was being shot for what looked like not just

a video thing but these were like Was this the Phil Jonua Rattle and Hum sessions? sessions yeah so they were shooting some footage of that that I don't think made it into the film but at the end of the show Bruce Springsteen comes out

and plays stand by me on guitar and it's kind of an exciting Jersey man won't you stand stand by me sorry

did Bruce Springsteen just walk in come on baby the room let's do the twist Chubby Checker and the Fat Boys. Okay, that sounds pretty good.

That's great. Thank you. So they continue to become all over the Radiohead area. Hey, Bruce. What are you doing? Hey, man. Are you born to run? Now, Bruce, is it true that you work in your song titles to practically every conversation hey man

i'd love to answer you but i'm too busy dancing in the dark well see there you go that's another song title why don't you just try and tell me try and say something without saying one of your song titles like what did you do this morning when you woke up? I had a 10th Avenue freeze-up, man. Oh, well, there we go. All right. Anyway, okay, thanks, Bruce. Slam. He's gone.

He had very light footsteps. Yeah, he's kind of mincing about. All right, so you see cameras. Yeah, and so this is footage that becomes revealed like they're making a film, and it's Phil Drano. Yeah. It's going to be this thing called Rattle and Hum that's coming out. And they put the soundtrack out before the film was out in theaters, I think.

They did because I remember listening to the soundtrack as we were driving to the theater. Yeah. And this would have been the follow- But it only came out like a couple of weeks before the movie or something like that. So they put out The Single Desire, which is like an encouraging, like, okay, great. This is like an up-tempo rock song that's catchy. That's right. We heard a little bit of it at the top.

But let's hear a little bit from the song Desire by U2. This was a huge hit. This was a big hit. Although I will say it's got this Bo Diddley drum pattern, which was... It's not the U2 sound, you know what I mean? No, but it worked. It felt like they were... Whatever they were trying to do of stepping into the shoes of things that preexisted in Americana,

they were pulling this one off. This one worked and felt like... It's a very, very good song. It's a cross between a U2 song and a classic Americana song. So it was an interesting choice, but yeah, it came out, and it was encouraging. And so that one was exciting, and the idea that they had the ambition to make this film, and you didn't know quite what it was going to be or what you were going to see in it, but knowing that I'd seen movie cameras at the show I was at,

and maybe we'll see ourselves in the crowd or whatever. And then go and see it, and it starts with this really intense black and white swooping crane shot that comes in during that performance of Helter Skelter. At that point, I hated the Beatles. Like, I detested the idea of all adult culture and everything that was kind of strangling the airwaves of... Like, that was all that was being heard at that point.

Because there was a real delineation between classic rock and alternative rock at that point. For sure. And so that was, like, what the dominant culture was, and it was hard to get away from that. And so the idea that now you two were like also, rather than like, we're here to play this new Joy Division song

none of you have heard, it's like we're doing the Beatles, you know? Yeah. So it was like, okay, great. But it was a good version of a good song. It's all just Skelter. Yeah, so Rattle and Hum comes out, it's like a year after they, it came out in the fall of 88.

So it's like a year and a half after they become the biggest band in the world. And I think, you know, it's interesting because it's something that's happened a couple of times in U2's trajectory where... Jesus, how long is this guy gonna talk they they sort of become that thing that they were trying to avoid in the first place right did he just end his sentence what are you trying to say man like opening an album with Helter Skelter. Let's talk about this. A lot of people, the fact that they didn't know that that was going to be portable.

Not only open with Helter Skelter, but to say, this is a song Charles Manson stole from the Beatles. We're stealing it back. Right. Like we have the power to take it from the person who stole it from the Beatles. We are better than the Beatles by the transitive property. Someone was able to steal it from the Beatles. Well, we are more powerful than that person.

Not only are we going to, we're not going to even steal it and give it back to the Beatles. We're just going to take it. That would be kind of cool if they were like, hey, you know what? We ran into Charles Manson. We were talking to him, and we were able to steal that song back. We conned it out of him. We conned it.

But Beatles, this is your song. Please do with it what you will. No. So I think that a lot of people were probably feeling what you were feeling lance which was just like oh jesus they're singing the beatles and and literally within two minutes of the film while they're doing that song bono kind of leans down towards the camera it's just like sweeping black and white crane he's wearing one crucifix on his neck no shirt leather vest which is like oh like this isn't what i, this isn't what I signed up for.

And then he holds another crucifix in front of himself to the camera. So there's the one on his chest and then another one in the foreground. And he's just really making sure you see this. At the same time, to be fair, there were a lot of vampires in rock crowds at the time. And in rock and roll cameras. I mean, you were almost in The Lost Boys, Adam. Well, I was in the same town where they shot it. Yeah.

And so I know a lot about vampires. So those vampires were playing like saxophones shirtless next to a bonfire. So maybe he was scared of that kind of thing. I don't know. But yeah, it's just not, it's like all of a sudden it turned into this weird thing that we didn't relate to anymore. I remember we were listening. But, Scott, is that how you felt when that movie came out?

Not just the movie. The record. If you look at the record, let's take a look track by track at what happens. Helter Skelter, it's a Beatles song, and he does that douchey stealing it back line. Which I'm willing to believe was more naivete than them actually saying i mean it's something they'll never live down but what they say about it is we were just trying to say something cool to get the crowd going we're not saying that we're the beatles or we're better you know if it was a riff to look sometimes you riff or whatever but you don't have to put it on the

record also i don't think bono riffs as much as it seems like he riffs. He writes his riffs, in my opinion. It's like when you see Elvis Costello, all of his stage patter is exactly the same every single time you see him. He writes that stuff down, so I think that this was a pre-planned thing that he thought

was going to be cool of like, hey, Rolling Stone, talk about this for a while. I think that if you're saying that in front of you know 70 000 people a night and they go crazy every time it's never going to occur to you that it's not an awesome thing you should open an album with right you know it's probably hard to get perspective at that point right so you have you have this beatle song uh you have van diemen's Land next which I don't know what the fuck they're thinking of

the edge is singing yeah Van Demon's Land is a I'm just gonna say I really love Rattle and Hum the album

and I love the movie as well always have okay well let's talk about let's talk about the things that are like sort of off-putting

okay cause Van Demon's Land maybe doesn't belong in there Desire is the Bo Diddley beat, but it still is kind of cool. All Along the Watchtower, okay? That's a Bob Dylan song.

Well, first Hawkmoon 269, right? Well, yeah. I was skipping over the things that aren't offensive. Oh, okay, okay, okay. All Along the Watchtower, he's doing a Dylan song. I don't have a problem with that.

I think that... It sounded okay. Yeah. And they're doing more of the Hendrix arrangement of it. But it still is like, okay, you've done the Beatles. Now you're doing Hendrix, Dylan. Then

you have Angel of Harlem, which is he's done at Sun Studios. It's like, hey, this is where Elvis did it. And they did a lot of that in the movie, like Elvis, you know, and talking about Elvis. And I love the stuff he does vocally near the end of that I think that's I love that song

Angel of Harlem is one of the great U2 songs it's one of the great but I'm just saying what can be perceived as sure

them accumulative anointing themselves yes you have Love Rescue Me which is a duet with Bob Dylan yeah

you have When Love Comes to Town which is a duet with B.B. King. I think that's an unfortunate song. That's an unfortunate song. You have God Part II, which is a sequel to a John Lennon song. Is that the worst out of everything?

The case against Rattle and Hum is solid. I'm not saying that it's not. But then, to top it all off, you have all this stage patter in the live tracks, which is just like everything is about apartheid, as he says. Just the way he says apartheid. Knock it off, Bono. He mentions Little Steven in the song.

Like, this is a song we wrote for Little Steven. This song was written in a hotel room in New York City. Yeah, who cares about New York City? I don't care where you wrote it. I don't care about that dude from The Sopranos. Like, why you wrote it. And then he says, apartheid. Yeah.

Why? Yeah, this was a big mistake career-wise, I think. Oh, it killed them. It killed them. Did it kill them for you, Lance? I still, like, I politically responded to what they were doing. Like, I was glad that, like, you know. They're talking about these issues.

Yeah, fuck Queen for going and playing Sun City. Fuck all these Elton John, whoever's going there and, like, raking in money for that structure. And so, you know, but it was unfortunate when he would take on the affectation of Nicaragua. Yeah, Nicaragua. For the people of El Salvador. Like, we talked about it on one of the last ones, like, put

El Salvador through your amplifier edge. So it was so great that he was raising those issues at a time that the traditional press wasn't really covering them as well as they should have. And that I had this thing going on where my dad was directly flying cargo planes of equipment into Ilopango Air Force Base in El Salvador. Really? Literally, that was the dynamic.

What's Ilopango? It was like an Air Force base that was there under sort of the Reagan-Bush era. Wow, okay. And was this a disagreement with your dad about it? Yeah. Fuck you, dad. You fly into Illipango. That's not something

you can say. It's not this typical from you, dad. Oh, you didn't have that argument with your dad? Stop flying into Illipango, dad. Fuck you. So,

knowing that they were like on the right side of these issues and coming over here and having a large American audience of people that weren't necessarily super informed but were maybe open to hearing this message. And I will say that they ushered in an era where people cared about this kind of stuff. Yeah, for sure. And so it's hard to say, like, you guys are doing the wrong thing because before then you had a lot of, I mean, the 80s, quite frankly, were the me, me, me decade.

Yeah. It was all about just greed is good. Mm-hmm. You know? Goodness gracious. Gordon Gekko. Greed balls of fire. Reaganomics trickle down.

Trickle down. How about trickle up with my middle finger? How about pissing down on the poor is more like what you should call it. I mean, Ronald Reagan was a great man and a visionary. Greatest president ever. The film came out like early November of 88, right before the election on the 10th. I think the film was maybe in theaters on the Friday before the 10th. Oh, yeah.

Let me take a look at that. Yeah, the soundtrack released on 10th October 1988. Oh, so it was out for like a month before the movie came out. Yeah, it looks like it. I'm looking for the... I feel like the movie was like the 4th or so, and then the election would have been 8th or 10th, maybe. Well, I think Green came out right...

Like on election day. Yeah, on election day, yeah. I got it here. The film came out on in Ireland the 27th of October but yeah

the 4th of November in the US which would have been the Friday before the Tuesday yeah so yeah we have a momentous and everyone knew

George Bush was going to get elected at this point yeah it wasn't a close election by any means yeah did you have any hopes at that point

that it was going to be you guys kind of hoped that maybe those people are not going to turn up to vote and that the right people will, but it wasn't like it was going to happen. He was destroyed. He was, yeah. Michael Dukakis. So that was like a grim scenario going on on a larger scale.

caving in and like trying to kiss the ring of the dominant baby boomer culture instead of saying like now that we've got your attention you need to check out closer by joy division you need to check out unknown pleasures you need to give more of a chance to susie and the banshees like the guitar patterns on these songs are great instead instead they went hey all all of you guys who love the classic rock in the 50s don't you think there's something legitimate about we're discovering American music and this is a direction? No matter how, whatever the result was, that's what they were into. I will tell you one thing. I have a theory about Rattle and Hum. And you like the record.

Is this your favorite record, by the way? Is this your favorite U2 record? Oh, okay. I thought you had hyped it at one point like it might be. No, no, no. Oh, no, I know which one it is. My thing about Rattle & Hum is I discovered U2 at Joshua Tree, like after it had blown up.

He was at Joshua Tree around the- I'm not talking about U2. I'm just talking about the plant. So by the time Rattle & Hum came out, I was only into U2 or even really aware of them for a year. So I was like super into the Joshua Tree and discovering their older albums a little bit. That catalog is what it's called.

So Rattle & Hum was the first album of theirs that came out while I was a fan. So I was primed and ready as a U2 fan for this thing to come out. And I was 14 or 15, so I was like so ready. And it comes out. So no matter what it was,

I feel like I would have been deep into it. Well, it sold so many records. And on the Wikipedia thing it says, yes, it's considered a flop or whatever, but it sold this many records. You sell a ton of records because of the last record that you – I even wrote a letter to Rolling Stone because I objected so much to their review of it. They only gave it three stars. I wish they still had that letter.

Wait, what was the argument in your letter? What did you say that it's something about it being a kind of a I remember my dad helped me write it

it was it's a why didn't you bring your dad in on that poem that you were supposed to write to that girl I remember I I wrote

I wrote the word fuck in it like like who fucking cares about them opening with a Beatles song or something? And I remember my dad being like, are you sure you want to put this in the letter to Rolling Stone?

I'm like, yeah, they print bad words. That's what's so cool about Rolling Stone. You had a cool dad. So I got really into the album. And then I remember when it came out and everyone and it got bad reviews and everyone was saying it was bullshit

and just being kind of confused about it and then the the movie came out and I thought the movie was the greatest thing now I I love it

as kind of an excessive piece of 80s nostalgia and I do like things about it. I think in God's Country, in the movie, is totally amazing. It's great filmmaking. It's a great version of the song. But like the gospel version of...

Did you just say gospel? The gospel version of... Were they gossiping while they were singing? That's a real... Because I feel like now it's such a... Having a gospel choir is such a... It's a cliche, but at the time... It was a huge deal.

My memory of that is that their performance is great vocally, but isn't there a guy that's conducting it who's like chewing gum? Totally. He's a total LA music guy. Oh, really? He's like... Exactly. He's all coked up. And so having heard

the record when it first came out, I was like, oh, that's great when those voices kick in. And then when you see what's really going on, he's probably wearing a blazer and a t-shirt. He's like one of Jimmy Iovine's underlings or something. Like sunglasses on, chewing gum. Yes. I've only seen the movie once. Oh, really? I saw it on opening night. My friends and I,

we got into his yellow vw bug which uh uh he used to drive us around in and uh i remember i was in the back seat and i remember someone spit out the window and it flew back into the back seat but we were listening to the record on the way there and we were making fun of of the record because it had been out already at this point. So you were immediately over it. When this record came out, I was still kind of trying to process it like, no, it's still – it's kind of good. Like when Phantom Menace came out. Oh, my – I saw Phantom Menace twice the first day, and i was like yeah i mean it's pretty it's pretty you know it's pretty good i was still kind of like i was defending it i remember to my

friend and they were making fun of of the edge's voice on van diemen's land and they were making fun of some of the stuff he was saying and i was kind of like no no i mean i still think it's i was still probably six months away from writing off you two forever I thought and this is one of my favorite bands up to this point and this is the record that made me just go you know what I can't do it I mean not only this record but the cumulative

of all of the fame and every interview them kind of as much as the issues were great just like axe grinding yes it just became like it's not fun to listen to them anymore because like i can't just enjoy a song anymore i have to hear about nicaragua or something in the middle of it they were just completely up their own ass at this point that is you know what that is a great way to put it thank you but i have a

i have a theory about this record okay now i know, I know you like this record, but here's my theory. You know, we've talked about this on the show previously. After War, they put out Under a Blood Red Sky, EP. Okay. Yeah. After Unforgettable Fire, they put out Wide Awake in America, EP. Okay. Four songs, two B-sides, two live tracks.

Great. Yeah. If this had been an EP instead of a 72-minute record, I think you would have been like, they're on fire, they have continued a hot streak. And then move on to their next stage. Here is what I would have done with this record. Okay, side one.

Desire. Angel of Harlem. When Love Comes to Town. Nope. All I Want is You. Okay, I know we have a problem with When Love Comes to Town. But say it's just one song on side one of an EP. By the way, All I Want is You is a great song.

Great song. And I didn't give it any kind of a chance, by the way. I just kind of a chance by the way uh i just kind of wrote off that record and then the weird the the weird part is uh you know where i gave it another chance is your buddy from midi ben stiller oh yeah put it in reality bites reality reality bites is that what it's called reality bites yeah the ethan hawke yeah is that isn't that song in reality yeah yeah i just for some reason i didn't think it was called reality bites yeah the ethan hawke yeah is that isn't that song in reality yeah i just for some reason i didn't think it was called reality like all over that all of a sudden

i realized that's a stupid name for a movie reality bites reality bites that's the name of the movie that was really what it was called yes oh boy okay well anyway but no i heard that in the closing credits i was like is that song on Rattle & Hum? And I went back and released it. That's a great song. But okay, even swapping out When Love Comes to Town for another thing. I personally have a soft spot for Heartland. I think that's a great song.

But what's your favorite studio track that I didn't include? This is why it's good that we started this podcast. This is why it's good that we started this podcast because I also, over the years, have come up with my own versions of what Rattle & Hum should have been. Oh, okay. I'd love to hear yours. Can I finish mine? Yeah, please. My version is those four tracks on side one, studio tracks.

Side two is all along the watchtower. These are the live tracks. All along the watchtower. I still the live tracks. All along the watchtower, I still haven't found what I'm looking for. Silver and gold, Pride in the Name of Love. Boom. You're done. It's an EP.

It's viewed as an EP. You got half new tracks, half live tracks. Hot Streak continues. That's a reasonable track listing. I still think they would have been knocked for it you think so even without the helter skelter that's gone yes i do because i think it was their time to be knocked down because they had whether this album came out or not they had kind of self-serious themselves into a corner okay but i think also the movie really cemented it are you saying no movie no movie just well maybe not maybe it just would have been a minor release like this is what we've

been up to while we've been on the road checking in with you too they could have called it that but the thing is without this whole implosion without the excessive the excessiveness of the movie and this giant uh album that wasn't completely necessary and culturally them being uh decimated they never would have gone away and come up with rattling home because it took a complete failure like baby do you mean uh you said rattling home oh an idiot. Yeah, sorry. What show are you on, man? You're supposed to be the premier authority on U2. I'm sorry. The television show I'm on, U2 and Recreation, doesn't allow me the time to properly formulate my thoughts.

So what is your perfect rattle and hum track list I would go Van Demon's Land as track one what you're fucking high right now this isn't necessarily

in order of what I would do these are just the songs I would include okay Van Demon's Land Desire Hawkmoon 269 which I think

is a good song which by the way a little trivia co-written by who? Oh, sorry. What were you going to say? No one.

Co-written by no one. The 269th mix of that song. That's why it's called Hawkmoon 269. Wow, really? Everyone thought that was a joke that they just kind of said in an interview. And recently it has come out that, no, that was the truth. They mixed it 269 times and after the 268th mix it still stayed at six and a half minutes long they weren't like let's try one where it's four minutes long yeah bob dylan co-wrote that song

oh okay he's uncredited okay oh it's not, it's not credited? It's not credited. He's credited as Love Rescue Me, but I think you may... It's not on the Wikipedia page that he co-wrote that, but I think there may be something to that rumor. Do you think it was one where he's like, yeah, maybe leave me off of this one? No, I'm pretty sure he co-wrote that, and it's credited in the liner notes of the album. Or maybe they thank him. I don't know. Maybe they thank him. I don't know.

But I will say that there is a version of Love Rescue Me with Bob Dylan singing lead that is out there. Oh, wow. That he requested they not put on the record because of his commitments to the traveling Wilburys. But speaking of which, did the version of She's a Mystery to me ever come out? That has never come out either. That is a song that they wrote for Roy Orbison, or they wrote it and Roy Orbison ended up doing a version of, and that's a great song on Roy Orbison's final studio record, I believe. And that version has never come out, no.

I think it's on after I'm done telling you guys about my kick-ass new track listing of Rattle and Hum, I think I might have the YouTube version of that. Really? Yeah, I'd love to hear it. So, I would keep Van Diemen's Land Desire, Hawkmoon 269, all along the

Watchtower. I don't think I would keep Freedom From My People, which is a recording of a man singing that song in the street. I don't think I would keep freedom for my people. That's a nice little transition. Recording of a man singing that song in the street. Which, by the way, also putting it, the other offensive thing is the Star Spangled Banner putting in like Jimi Hendrix's Star Spangled,

anyway, go ahead. I would not put on silver and gold. Apartheid. Yeah. I think this is the best version of pride i love this version and it's we talked about last time it's my favorite youtube song i listened to it again today this version of this version of it and i was kind of like you know i just listened to silver and gold the preceding track and was bugged by him he asked am i bugging you and i say yes you

are bugging me you kept it on your version of Rattle & Hum. Well, yeah, I keep it on the iPod. Yeah, I was listening to the whole thing. And that version of Pride is so good. No, but when you were talking about your new version of Rattle & Hum, you kept Silver & Gold. Yeah, you know what? I mean, I still think it would have been a success. Like, I feel like they wanted to put that on the record.

I would have allowed a success. Like, I feel like they wanted to put that on the record. I would have allowed them that. Yeah. I think it's, I think they, it would have been a minor annoying part. I'm thinking even not on my own personal thing. I'm thinking what they should have done. Oh, okay. If that makes sense. Yeah, sure.

Okay. I would keep Pride, Angel of Harlem, probably track one, Angel of Harlem. Great. Because it's such a definitive song. Love Rescue Me, I think, is a terrific song. Again, six and a half minutes. Yeah. With Bob Dylan singing.

I would leave off When Love Comes to Town and Heartland and God Part II, which at 14, by the way, I thought God Part II was incredible. I would leave those off, and then All I Want Is You and leave everything else off. Yeah. And that's like a full album. That's like a 10 song. That's a full record album.

I still think there's some B-sides in there. I think Van Demon's Land is a B-side. I think Hawk Moon might be a B-side. I think Van Demon's Land could be like the second song on side two and it's kind of a nice little palette cleanser. I think Heartland, as much as I like it and I think the melody is really good, it's probably a a nice little palette cleanser i think heartland as much as i like it i think the melody is really good it's it's probably a b-side too i do too i i think

it's a fine song i just think it's production wise it's pretty boring it should have it reminds me of the unforgettable fire it is from that era isn't it i think they started that track back then but it feels it doesn't feel as interesting production wise as those actual songs from that era it feels like they were replicating jimmy iovine finishing a brian eno landscape maybe yeah there's something about it that's a little that's the other thing get eno involved on this record get dump iovine dump american idol iovine get you know back on this like he'd tell you he'd shake you straight did daniel lanois produce that one track, though? I have no idea. Huh.

I don't have that information at my fingertips. I'm so sorry. Let me see if I have... Lance, do you have any kind of a perfect track listing of Rattle & Hum here? I think it sounds similar to what you guys are doing. I think that that idea of it being an EP like The Unforgettable Fire, the post-Wide Awake America one where it's one or two live tracks and then some of these songs make sense.

And certainly the songs you guys are including make sense to me. If they would have released that Roy Orbison song that they wrote, that would have been great. Do you want to know some of the other tracks that did not make it on this record?

Yeah. We have Hallelujah Here She Comes, which is a B-side to Desire. I like that one. That's not a bad one. A Room at the Heartbreak Hotel, which was a B-side to Desire. I like that one. That's not a bad one. A Room at the Heartbreak Hotel, which was a B-side to Angel of Harlem.

Their cover of Dancing Horses. Yeah. Which is pretty good. They played that on K-Rock a lot. So that was kind of a minor hit for them.

And that was another thing that was a bummer. Like knowing that they could have been giving attention to Patti Smith at that point, but instead it's like

BB King. Oh, Dancing Barefoot? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I said. I thought. King. Oh, Dancing Barefoot? You mean? Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I said. I thought you said Dancing Horses. What'd I say? Did I say Dancing Horses?

I thought you said Dancing Barefoot. Yeah, okay. Dancing Horses, hey, even better if they did Echo and the Bunnyman cover, I'd be on board for life. Unchained Melody,

Everlasting Love, both of those, Everlasting Love especially was a really good. That was a good. That Fortunate Son Everlasting Love both of those Everlasting Love especially was really good that was a hit that Fortunate Son

with Maria McKee that I mentioned I haven't heard that She's a Mystery to Me this has not been released Bruce Coburn's If I Had a Rocket Launcher they did a cover of that

that would have been not released Can't Help Falling in Love with You Bono did a solo version of that but you two did a version that's never been released uh the cover of woody guthrie's jesus christ which ended up on the folkways thing and their christmas baby please come home i like that recording too that has a

good feeling to it yeah so those were the the set the tracks that they did in these sessions that were left off i do not have she's a mystery to me. I thought I did, but I guess that's never been released. Yeah. So. Could be a first time premiere on this podcast. Oh man, let's get Bono to do it. Let's get the t-shirts. Guys, we're at two hours at this point.

We've barely talked about Rattle and Harmony. Boy, we're really hitting the bloated over Rattle and Harmony. Taking that down a notch. I feel like... We're showing them two hours and 20 minutes in. Do an EP, you two. Do an EP. Retroactively do an EP.

I feel like... Engineer Cody is yawning his ass off over here. I am so sorry, Cody. I feel like Rattle and Hum holds a special place in my little boy heart because of what it was at the time. You are younger than I. Slightly. You're four years younger, I believe we talked about this. I'm 40 years old.

I'm 43. Okay. Am I? Wait, what am I? Yeah, 43. Three years, give or take four or five years. But you were a little boy when this came out. I wanted to be a big boy.

You wanted to be a big boy. I was a big boy. I graduated high school. I just started college, and to me, it rang sour on my ears. I feel like if I was like you guys, kind of into them previously and into War and Unforgettable Fire and Joshua Tree, I feel like I probably would have felt similarly. But like I said, this was my new favorite band, and I was like, what the fuck is everyone talking about? These guys are great. And I do think the movie has a lot of cool stuff in it.

What's your favorite moment in the movie? I think the performance of pride is is really well shot they really does that one go from black and white to color or is it just color the whole no that's bullet the blue sky at the end right um again have not seen it in 25 years i have the blu-ray at home are you ever going to loan me any of these things you didn't bring the thing you said you were going gonna bring because i didn't finish watching it jesus christ what was that uh from the sky down the davis guggenheim thing um i feel like we haven't by the way did you ever turn against it were you just completely on board until octoon baby came out i went through the in like 92 i went through a thing where I was like, I want all classic rock out of my apartment,

and I want only Sonic Youth and all that kind of stuff. And I think I sold my copy of it to use. How dare you start this podcast with me? I know. I know. It's a strike against us i still kept mine i just and i would dust it off every once in a while but i i may not have actually gone that far i know i sold like i had doobie brothers cds and stuff that i got rid of i truly by 1990 would tell people that i was done with you too yeah i would not listen to another youtube

record right so i at this point this if we were in a movie at this point this is that middle part of the movie where everything just falls apart and i have a crisis of conscience the end of act two yeah am i what can i do should i give up I forge ahead? Should I find the spirit within myself? We'll find out probably on our next episode what I did. But Lance, where are you in this? Where did you leave off the rattle and hum? I think it was a similar thing. I drove to a movie theater on the Friday night that it opened.

So you were excited to see it. I was very excited to see it. And the record had been out for a bit at that point and sort of knew the songs and was a little bit worried about where they were. Had a bit thought, well, surely the movie will have more different stuff than the soundtrack. And then within that first two minutes that they're doing Helter Skelter and then he's like wearing the one crucifix

and holding the second one into the camera, it's like, ooh, this isn't what I thought I was signing up for or whatever. No, not good. Not good. So then were you done with U2? No, because I just listened to the previous records. And you're like, hey, those are still good. I can still listen to those.

I feel like we barely scratched the surface on your getting to meet them at all, but maybe there isn't more to it. I guess in a short thing, over the years since that time, I went down to Athens, Georgia and was working quite a bit with REM. When you two would be on tours like from Zoo TV onwards, they would generally kind of meet up and hang out with the REM guys and we would go in in a group

and sort of see the show and go talk to Willie Williams who designed a lot of the projections and visuals for their shows and Joe Herlihy, the sound guy that ended up working with REM as well. And they started kind of like sharing advice or like, you know, what do you do as you're the largest band in your country?

Or, you know, how do you contend with these changes or, or shifts or, or, you know, draws upon yourself. And so I started socializing with them and,

you know, going out drinking or going to meals or getting to know them a bit in those kind of contexts. And then in the work that I did for, I directed a documentary for Anton Corbine, uh, and started going and shooting interviews with the guys and then working with them a bit on, Bono produced a film that I directed called The Lazarus Effect about AIDS treatment in Africa. And so dealt with him during that process. So he literally produced it like he was giving you notes and he was, wow, amazing.

And how is he at giving notes? Oh, they were all like, you know, he genuinely has put an incredible amount of work into on the ground relief effort, you know, for quite a long time in different parts of Africa and really knows what he's talking about there and how to kind of like work with the right people to get results and follow through on things and make sure that things don't kind of wither away or fall apart. follow through on things and make sure that things don't kind of wither away or fall apart. And so his insight and sort of where to go and who to work with there was great. And there's a woman named Sheila Evans that was part of their management company that kind of brought me there and was really great at that whole process. And then when we did the premiere, that was at the Museum of Modern Art in New York, and Bono kind of came to the event and introduced it. That was at the Museum of Modern Art in New York, and Bono kind of came to the event and introduced it.

That was a big moment where my dad, who had been this Air Force pilot taking stuff to El Salvador, he came to that screening, and in his mind, seeing Bono introduce me or whatever, was this weird bonding moment where he was like, okay, there's a justification for what my son's done. And a justification for what I had to do in order to put food on the table for him. Right, and so it was a moment that sort of made that a bit easier. Wow, that was great. That's terrific. Is your dad still with us?

He is, yeah. He is, fantastic. Has anything like that ever happened since then or has he just been like, remember that day Bono came out and talked about you? Why doesn't anything like that ever happen anymore? Now you're just hanging around the jackass and the loiter squad guys.

Well, I saw you throw up in a jackass movie. Would you eat some of that Florida pepperoni? Were you breathing rubbing alcohol in the air of the hotel room? So you've had, you've gone from fan to co-worker to dare

i say friend of the band and boy what a life yeah you know what a life and how do you how do you feel i i know we're just exclusively talking about rattle and hum we kind of need to wrap up but uh how do you feel about the band now aside from just your personal relationships with them how do you feel about the band's

progression I admire their longevity like the fact that they were playing shows in the late 70s and started with very much like a set of influences

that I still love the bands that they were interested in too and Joy Division and the weirder Talking Heads records of that time period and sort of the choices they made when you look at the world that was around them of like the weirder Talking Heads records of that time period and sort of the choices

they made when you look at the world that was around them of like the other bands that were putting out records in 83, 84 and the distinction between what they went for

and what those other bands were doing like it becomes more apparent like the choices they were making and then the fact that they didn't in fact

push themselves to reinvent their sound and take chances and they didn't have to work with Brian Eno on the Unforgettable Fire they could have

as they said, they could have become The Who. Exactly. And so they made that choice and then found a way to make that work and then explored that in different directions. And it didn't feel like at that time that they were just chasing

the next kind of hot thing necessarily of like, we got to go do a Manchester sound. It's not like Duran Duran like putting out a view to a kill with all those synthesizer hits. They were sort of in vogue at the time, you know? So do you feel like even with war they were aiming for longevity because war has ended up being incredible very timeless but do you think that's what they were aiming for at the time i think

that's a much more a lot more practice went into that record like everyone's on point yeah those performances like those drum patterns are more ambitious and the the bass lines are locked in with those and like yeah they're not just taking more ambitious and the bass lines are locked in with those and, like, they're not just taking it easy and, like, churning out filler. Like, there's

a lot of thought and work and rehearsal into that recording and everyone's, like, at their... At their best. Tightest and best for that thing. Sure thing.

And there's, like, an earnest stridency to some of Bono's vocals and lyrics and that, but you feel like he really means it and he's really genuinely upset

about these things in a way that, like, a young man can be angry about what's going on in the world. And they were young men. That's the thing that we talked about on previous episodes. When he's making these cracks about the Beatles, he's a 27-year-old guy, you know? And 27-year-old guys say stupid shit. If you were a 27-year-old guy and, again, had 70,000 people telling you you're great every night you would probably do something stupid you know I only need one woman to tell me everything's

great I only need a gaggle of college girls to tell me I'm great seriously we gotta do that next episode get the college girls in here well Lance you've been a great guest I feel like you got short changed a little bit by us and us talking about the golden Globes, the GGs.

Is there anything else you wanted to add about YouTube? Anything that we left behind. All that you can't leave behind. No, I'm excited to hear what they do next. I think the fact that they're working with a guy from Athens, Georgia on this new record is... This is Danger Mouse, right? Yeah, Brian. Okay, great. And he's a friend of yours.

Brian, wow. How did you feel about their last couple of records? record is this is danger mouse right brian okay great and he's a friend of yours yeah brian wow how did you feel about their last couple of records uh atomic bomb and and no line on the horizon i didn't really connect with them that much but i i did take my son to go see them live like regardless of everything that's on the record and i'm sure you've probably already made fun of the couture countdown that no we haven't we haven't talked about this record at all harris made fun of that i like it okay really yeah yes right okay uno dos tres catorce we haven't talked about i've i've i will not give my opinion until we talk about that because i'm a professional i i took my son to go see them and uh oh and i'm an un i'm unprofessional you're unprofessional because

we have a structure we have episodes we're supposed to... I am adhering to that structure. I'm just giving a hint as to how I feel about a terrific song of theirs. You know what? We don't need to get into this in front of Lance. Anyway,

you took your son. By the way, your son is rock royalty. We should mention that. Yeah, he's a great guy. Fair to say? Yeah.

I mean, is it okay to say to whom you're married? Sure. Corinne Tucker from Slater... Is it Slater or Slater? Slater? Sure. Corinne Tucker from Slater. Is it Slater or Slater? Slater Kinney.

Slater Kinney. Yeah. Slater. Slater Kinney. Slater Kinney. Or Slater Kinney. Okay. Either way.

One of the great bands. One of the great bands. And you are married to her. Yeah. And you have a son. And is he going to be in a band, do you think? I don't know. He's an interesting character. He's about to turn 13 in a couple weeks.

So he wants to be a big boy. He's well on his way to being a big boy. He really is. But I took him to go see one of the last shows of the previous tour and I've always loved the stuff that Willie Williams does with the projections and the stage designs and the concepts that go into those.

And so it's just fun to go see that world and catch up with those people and be able to like, here's my son Marshall and have him see what that feels like. And he hasn't certainly grown up knowing all the songs. He's not quite connected with everything. But like. What does he think of a U2 music? Is it like, because he's just getting out of like, you know, Disney radio. Well, he never was at Disney radio, but he had, you know know he was into like skrillex and yeah yeah yeah you know kind of more contemporary sounds so does it does it sound like grandpa music to him or what is it

on some level it might but i think he was like being polite to you not just polite i think he was connecting to some of it and the thing that was great was at the end of the show their friend that they'd written the song bad about happened to be there. And he had issues over the years with addiction and was still kind of around and doing all right and had come over to see the show. And so they decided, and it very much felt impromptu that they had done their regular set list and kind of convened in the middle of the stage

and kind of talked it over and decided to try and play Bad, which they hadn't been doing regularly on the tour. Yeah, wow, okay. And went into it, and it was a performance where they didn't have all of the sequenced parts at the ready, and they might not have remembered every transition, but it felt like a very genuine performance of it. And then they do that thing at the end where they start

interpolating other songs and fragments of lyrics, which is, you know, it can be an affectation, and maybe he does sort of know that pattern that he's going to go into satellite of love or whatever. But it feels very convincing and genuine in the moment when it's happening, when all of a sudden you start shifting into another piece of music, and it feels very convincing and genuine in the moment when it's happening when all of a sudden you start shifting

into another piece of music and it feels like maybe he's losing himself in the performance and looked over and saw my son really connecting and that they also

didn't have a pre-programmed like lighting or video effect to do for that song and so it was just this sort of like beautiful glow of warm lighting that's great

that happened and it was like okay this is what I responded to when I was his age and I'm glad he said this just the power of music and beautiful music

well done absolutely yeah and this. Just the power of music and beautiful music well done. Absolutely. Yeah. And this is good rock and roll music. This is quality rock and roll music. This is high quality rock and roll. High quality rock and roll music. Well, Lance, thank you so much for being here.

Yeah, thanks, man. And a great perspective on the band and great behind the scenes stuff. And Adam, you got to step it up next time that's all I'm gonna say and so that's gonna be it for another week and you know that's I think this

has been a win this has been in the win column you know what I mean I'm just gonna say that this is a song that Charles Manson stole from theles then you two stole it from charles manson i think it's time for us to steal it back this is scott ackerman saying i hope you found what you're looking for for another week we'll see you next time on You Talkin' YouTube. To me?

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