UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - EP 144 Danny Sheehan part 1 - The Three Dimensions of Disclosure

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Join Stephen Diener as he sits down with the legendary Danny Sheehan. Danny breaks down the three dimensions of government disclosure and the fight behind the scenes in DC to make it happen. Plus, could we see every UFO story from the year 2000 and before get declassified? It really could happen. We learn about all of this and so much more during this part 1 of their in depth discussion...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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on the Unidentified Alien Podcast. This time for episode number 144. And we're going to connect number 144 and 145 this week because we have a two-part series this week with the one and only Danny Sheehan, who I can only describe as a luminary, a living legend, if you will, in this UFO field. He has been through it all, seen it all,

with all the characters and all the stories. And it was my pleasure to finally have him on here on UAP. After all these years, after four years of UAP, to finally be able to get Danny Sheehan on the show. And he did not disappoint. I mean, the man is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to this issue. And that's exactly actually what kind of how this went was we go through. I mean, this is history class, ladies and gentlemen.

This is a master class on the ins and outs of the UFO topic. behind the scenes, the history of it, what's happening right now, current day in D.C. with Congress, the fine details, the minutia of everything that's going into this fight right now between Congress and the Senate and all the actors behind the scenes of all the things that we don't get to see that Danny Sheehan has a front row seat to. It has for a long time. So we go through it all. And it's really incredibly fascinating to hear him talk about this. and you will hear him talk about it. I didn't want to interrupt him.

I was going to give you heads up right now. Within these two parts, I think maybe I ask like six or seven questions. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I'm not griping about that. It's just he has so much information that I figured, you know, I have on Danny Sheehan. Why am I going to interrupt him to hear myself talk? So I just let him go on a lot of things.

And I think it was very much worth it in the end. But I did get in some important questions. that move the conversation forward. So I don't want you to think it's just Danny Sheehan talking the entire time, obviously. But it was very much worth and important to have it play out that way, to have him answer the questions and expound at all these things because his information is just so valuable, in my opinion, when it comes to this topic. You talk about unique perspective.

This guy has seen it all. So I'm excited to bring to you part one today of my interview with Danny Sheehan. We're talking about actually what he calls the three-demand, mentions of government disclosure and the fight behind the scenes with it all right now. We do mention the push to get the UFO hearing set before or by August 1st. Now, we have heard in the past couple of days that that isn't going to be the case, or at least it doesn't seem like it. So if you hear us talk about that, just know that we spoke before that news came out,

but you'll actually hear him say that he doesn't see it happening that soon anyway. So it seems like Danny was right about that UFO hearing not happening before. the end of July, which was my guess as well. But I guess you never know how things can change. We also get into the archives update. I didn't know about this. And Danny goes into the release of information of everything by the year 2000 and before when it comes to all UFO cases.

So think about that. And you're talking the Phoenix Lights. You're talking Ariel School. You're talking Roswell. I mean, all these different instances and stories throughout the years. supposedly the information is supposed to come out by the end or middle of October because of this mandate in the new Disclosure Act. So I'm not going to get into too much of the fine detail. I let Danny do that for you, but I did not know about this.

And it is really exciting if this gets passed. So Danny discusses that and what that can mean for the future. As well as the Disclosure Act itself and what's going in behind the scenes for that. Could that actually get past this time because it didn't get past last time? so much more. So I'll get into it right now. I won't delay anymore, but I wanted to give you the information on the head to tip on all that. Oh, and I also apologize for some feedback on my end. We tried to get that fixed before we started talking, but for whatever reason, the feedback just wouldn't go away, and I said, let's just let it ride. So I do apologize if you, the feedback

when I'm talking is a little bit annoying, but like I said, it's a lot of Danny anyway, so you don't have to deal with my feedback too much as it is. But it's a great discussion here. an incredible amount of information that I hope you're able to take in and enjoy for part one of my interview with Danny Sheehan right here on UAP. Enjoy. Well, it is my honor now for the first time in UAP history to bring on Danny Sheehan to the Unidentified Alien podcast. Danny, thanks so much for making the time to come on here today. It's a true pleasure to have you. That's terrific.

I'm glad to be here. Yes, absolutely. And I'm going to strap myself in because I think we're in for quite a ride on all the topics that we can cover here today. I want to start with what's going on right now, present day. I want to get your take on the congressional efforts because we've both been there. I've been in D.C. with you a couple times actually when it comes to congressional hearings and different meetings that have gone on. So I know that you've been entrenched in this for a while going through different administrations. So I'm curious to get your thoughts on current day efforts versus what you've seen before.

in the past towards UAP disclosure? Sure. Well, there's at least three dimensions of this that are going on right now. One of them is the public dimension of, you know, what type of public hearings are in the actual planning that are realistic that we can expect. The second level of it is the kind of machinium. going on of the scheduling of trying to figure out, you know, what the bill itself, what particular pieces of legislation are operational right now. And then thirdly, there's this whole deeper question about the administration, the Trump

administration, what their willingness is to do anything about this, what level of cooperation is the White House giving to its instructions to the Republican majority in the House and the Senate to actually do something about this? So there's at least three different dimensions that are presently active in this area. Starting with the first one, there have been three different announcements that Anna Polina Luna has made, stating that she is intending as the chairperson of the task force that is, on the House side. She has announced that she would like to have a public hearing on the UFO issue between now and August 1st when the Congress takes its summer break or recess. And that would sort of end the first of the two terms of this particular Congress.

But the fact is it appears that she does not have the authority to really make such a public hearing happen because that task force has not been, you know, out of the 11 people that are on that task force, eight of them are freshmen, members of the House of Representatives, which means they don't really have much status. They don't really have much clout. And so that despite her stated desire to hold such a hearing on the UFO issue, that it's a, it has not been decided yet. authoritatively that there's going to be any such hearing. Secondly, Congressman Eric Burleson from Missouri, another freshman. He has also stated that he would like to have a public hearing about the UFO issue

between now and August 1st. But even though there are at least two members of that 11-member task force that want to have UFO public hearings before August 1st, they do. do not have the kind of juice that's necessary to make that happen. So we're not on a scale of 1 to 100 with probability projections as to whether or not such a hearing will be convened or not. It's we would, at the New Paradigm Institute here, we would not really be able to assert to a 51% probability that such a hearing is going to take place.

Interesting. And actually, you mentioned Representative Burleson there, Danny, and he was actually just a guest on the show here on UAP. And he said something, actually said a lot of very interesting things. But one thing that kind of caught my ear and made some news was that he wants to try to get the Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard along with other agency heads to come in and have a second hearing. So they want a witness hearing with first-hand witnesses. and then a second hearing with some of those agency heads, which includes Tulsi Gabbard. Do you see something like that happening?

Like, have you heard whispers of that's the probability of that happening in the future? See, it's important for members of that task force to say things like that publicly, but that's an attempt to put pressure on their part. They're trying to put pressure on the leadership of the House of Representatives to actually authorize them to convene such a hearing. which isn't happening. You know, so that while the statements by Luna and the statements by Burleson are important, they're not dispositive.

They don't really control the decision-making of the House of Representatives. And so I don't want to give so many details that it just confuses people. But the bottom line is this is one of the three levels of what's going on right now is the question of public hearings. Okay. and whether or not they're likely to be convened. I would suggest that at this stage, it's less than a 49% probability that there's going to be such a public hearing on the UFO issue

between now in August 1st. But what we're doing at the New Paradigm Institute, so we send out messages to our supporters. We have some 2,000 people that have already sent in communications to the House asking for public hearings, we're asking them to reiterate that demand to see if we can get the probability up to over 51% that there could be such a hearing between now and August 1st. That's the first of the three different layers of things that are going on right now on the Hill. The second issue is the actual legislation itself.

There's lots of very positive things to say about this. The United States Senate, there is an agreement now between Senator Mike Rounds of South Dakota, the Republican senator, and the former majority leader, Chuck Schumer of the Senate. they were the co-sponsors of the Senate bill, the 64-page Senate bill, which is extremely important, which was basically the UAP Control Disclosure Act that was already passed one time before by the Senate, all 64 pages. And at the end of 2003, it was sent over to the House side. And the House side only agreed to pass 23 pages of that, which very importantly issued a Senate, in House Congressional Command to all six of our United States military services, all 18

of our United States intelligence agencies, all 32 of our United States Defense Department agencies who are in possession of any information about the UFO phenomenon and about the non-human intelligence that is assumed to be responsible for this phenomenon. Any and all documents, all telephone records, all internal communications, anything that has ever been possessed by any one of those government agencies needs to be gathered together and put into digital format in a searchable format and prepared to be given over into the National Archives. Now, that has been passed. That passed at the very end of 2003. And in that bill that was passed into law, it commanded all of those agencies to have all of that information prepared and prepared to be handed over to the National Archives as of October 20th of 2024. What happened is that the week before that deadline, the National Archives, issued an executive statement, authorizing, them to postpone the delivery of that information to the National Archives for another full year.

So the actual operational date for the completion of the preparation of all of that information and its conveyance to the National Archives has been extended now to October 25th of 2025. It'll be coming up now, okay, in our upcoming October. So that is a very positive set of activities that have already been undertaken by the Congress, both the Senate and the House. Now, what's getting ready to happen now before August 1st on the Senate side is that Chuck Schumer and Mike Rounds are, again, both Republican and Democratic leadership in the Congress, in the Senate, are agreeing that they're going to reintroduce the full 64-page bill. in the United States Senate. And they anticipate that that is going to pass. So we are in communication through our New Paradigm Institute, the Citizens for Disclosure.

We're putting pressure on them all to have the Senate, be sure to pass that full 64 pages again through the United States Senate. And very importantly, that Senate bill has in it, in addition to ordering the gathering together of all that information, the preparation to have it turned over to the National Archives, it orders that that be done immediately on October 20th now of 2025. That's a direct command that that be done right away. Okay. But additionally, additionally, they mandate the president, in this case, Donald Trump, appoint a nine-person UFO Records Review Board to review all of that information and to release all of the information

that is older than 25 years and release that immediately to the public. Now, that is what scaring the national security state people and the private aerospace corporations. They're freaking out over the fact that the United States Senate is willing to pass the bill mandating that everything older than 25 years be immediately released. Okay. And so what's happened is the House side last time, you know, cut out that provision, cut out the provision mandating that everything older than 25 years be publicly released

immediately. And they cut out the establishment, the appointment by the president of this nine-person board of review. But the Senate is now getting ready to repass that. Now, this is under Republican leadership. It was done originally under Democratic leadership in the Senate when Chuck Schumer was the majority leader. Now, John Thune from South Dakota is the majority leader. And his fellow South Dakota senator, Mike Rounds, is co-sponsering the whole 64-page bill.

to once again have the United States Senate demand that this nine-person commission be appointed by the president and that they get access to all of this information immediately on October 20th of this year, and that they then release everything that's older than 25 years, which would cover Roswell, Aztec, a lot of the major sightings that took place effectively before the year 2000. Yeah. Okay. This is a very, very important development. development that the fact that the United States Senate is going to do this again.

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that of the 435 members of the House of Representatives, 400 of them will in fact vote for it. Okay? And it would then become law. The problem is that Michael Johnson hasn't agreed to put it onto the floor for a boat yet. So we're at the New Paradigm Institute that I had up. We're mobilizing our thousands of people around the country to organize and, send messages in to Mike Johnson to put that bill onto the floor is going to be reintroduced by Robert

Garcia. And we're trying to get the new head of the House Intelligence Committee, Crenshaw, to co-sponsor that bill so that we have a Republican and Democratic leader over on the House side sponsoring that bill and so that we can get additional pressure on Mike Johnson. So these are, These are the major legislative activities that are going on right now in detail. In addition to our having been asked, our New Paradigm Institute was asked to draft, and we have drafted and submitted to the House of Representatives a 15-page bill, the UFO Enhanced Whistleblower Protection Act. So we're trying to get additional protections uniquely for UFO whistleblowers to prevent them from being retaliated again. by other government agencies.

So this is the actual structure of what is actually being considered at the present time in the form of legislation in the Congress over and above the simple issue of public hearings and how much is going to be made public to the American people through public hearings. Now, the third level of this three-dimensional aspect of the UFO issue right now is the deep behind-the-scenes operation that is going on right now. And what we've succeeded in doing so far, which includes a lot of the whistleblowers, is getting some 40 whistleblowers, many of whom have direct firsthand participation experience in the, the UFO retrieval program that has been going on secretly in the Defense Department and in the American Intelligence community, that they have been engaged in recovering UFO craft since 1947. Wow.

And they have in their possession at least nine actual non-human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft and the bodies of, the occupants of those spacecraft, some actually still alive. Wow. Okay. And that we've gotten that much publicly exposed. They have that program going on. And we've gotten revealed the fact that there is a deep secret program going on, deep in the bowels of the Defense Department with the support.

of the Science and Technology Committee, of the operations director and of the Central Intelligence Agency, in trying to reverse engineer the technology, the anti-gravity technology, and the superluminal propulsion system of the ET vehicles. Our United States military is trying to reverse engineer that technology so they can use them to develop an additional weapons system for the United States government, okay, both the anti-gravity technology and the propulsion technology of the UFO craft that they have captured. The question is to how much progress have they made in achieving that?

Yeah. And there's a major discussion that is going on. Now, inside the intelligence community people in the public community, community. In the extreme position that's being taken on this is Dr. Stephen Greer, who is the head of the Disclosure Project, for which, as you probably know, for 20 years, I was the General Council for the Disclosure Project with Dr. Stephen Greer. Right. Then since 2021, I've been legal counsel for Lou Elizondo. And the

And Lou Elizondo has said that he is not authorized to publicly acknowledge anything other than the fact that he is convinced that, in fact, our government is in fact in possession of one or more non-human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft. So he has agreed with Dr. Stephen Greer that that's true. And I am curious, Danny. I've wondered this before, and obviously you can only say so much because of, you know, client privilege and things like that. But there's got to be so much more that Lou wants to say but can't, right? I mean, there's probably so much that he's told you that you can't divulge. I mean, am I assuming that right? No, no, no, no.

Okay. He has never, he has never divulged to me any national security secret that he is duty bound not to tell anyone other than people who have the same classification level that he does and who have been read into the program already. He can't, he's, he's, he would be prosecuted criminally if he did that. And so just the attorney-client confidentiality that he and I have together with regard to some things does not cover the national security information that he has prohibited by law from telling other people. But the bizarre part is, I won't say bizarre, but the interesting part is that he's been authorized to publicly testify in front of the House of Representatives House Oversight Committee that he, based on what he does know, is personally convinced that we are, in fact, in possession of one or more non-human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft. And he is personally certain that we are in possession of the bodies of one or more of the occupants of these craft that have been verified to be non-human. He has confirmed the testimony of David Grush, and both of them have been authorized.

by the United States Defense Department, Office of Pre-Publication Review and Security, to publicly testify to that in Congress. So there's this very strange situation that we are experiencing in which a number of individuals, such as Lou Elizondo, such as David Grush, such as Chris Mellon, have been authorized to state, They personally are convinced that these facts are true, but that they're not authorized to give Congress the information that will prove it to Congress.

And so that we're in this very bizarre situation here, which is all a function of our being a national security state. You know, that the constitutional principles of our government are not functioning here. So how does that change? Is it the Whistleblower Protection Act that you guys are trying to get past? Would that take care of a backward situation like that? Well, it would if the national security state people were willing to obey the law. They're not. You know, they view themselves as being above the law.

There's no doubt about that. They do not view themselves as being bound by the Constitution. They are not required to provide the information to Congress, though the Constitution requires them to do so. They don't even believe that they're required to give the information to a given president with whom they don't personally agree. And so that there have been a number of presidents that they have actively lied to. to and said that they don't have these craft.

And that they're engaged in this completely unconstitutional program of engaging in aggressive, active propaganda campaigns against the citizens of the country. So who are these people, Danny? Who are these people that refuse to, you know, obey basically the rules and the laws? Is it, you know, there's always been speculation about this. Are we talking about government contractors? Are we talking about, you know, the three-letter agencies, or is it a little bit of both, you know, black ops and things of that nature? What this really is, Stephen, is it is the progeny of the MJ12 group.

Back after the recovery of the craft in Roswell, in July of 1947, that craft and the bodies were sent to Wright Field in Ohio. which is now Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. And right immediately, Truman met with his top advisors in late July of 1947 and set up this group. Whether it's called MJ12 and whether the MJ12 documents are all completely accurate, it's clear to us at the new paradigm, Institute that at least some substantial number of those MJ12 documents are valid. While others have been ceded into them that are fake in order to try to undermine the credibility

of those that are real, but it's perfectly clear to us that there was this group that was established by President Truman in late July, early August of 1947, to which Truman assigned the responsibility of keeping this information secret, that we had recovered the actual craft of an extraterrestrial non-human civilization, and to keep secret the fact that we'd actually recovered their bodies with the craft, and that we had tested them and knew that they were non-human. That that became the most closely guarded secret of our government at the time. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie.

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But as you know, as of July, of 1947, there was no Central Intelligence Agency. That wasn't created until September. September 26th of 1947, the National Security Act of 1947 was passed, creating the Central Intelligence Agency, at which point one of the members, at least, of that group, became the operational head of the Central Intelligence Agency. So the Central Intelligence Agency began to exercise,

authority to try to keep this secret, and it was the only aspect of the government that was knowledgeable about this. Otherwise, it was just this secret group that had been created by President Truman, and they defy Congress. They hold all the elected representatives of our constitutional government functionally in contempt because they view them as temporary employees of the government, whereas they are the government and they refer to themselves as the government, you know. And they don't, they don't even brief in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you know, they don't brief in the J2, you know,

that Admiral Wilson, when he was the J2, he was the Chief of Security and Intelligence for the Joint Chief of Staff, and he was not briefed in about the reality of this program. I'm in communication with people at the highest levels of the Justice Department, to try to find people who are true patriots, who are going to be to have an allegiance to the Constitution of the United States. We're in communication with a number of people in the FBI who want to be loyal to the Constitution of the United States. But we have to be extraordinarily sensitive here that we're not trying to generate some sort

of insurrection, you know, against the unconstitutional element of the national security state that has seized control of our country, you know? They're trying to do this through peaceful means, and we're trying to do this by educating the American public about what the condition is that's occurred. All of this is the third dimension of the issue that I talked about at the beginning of my comments here. Yeah. This is the deep, what's going on behind the scenes.

Wow. At the deepest levels, while all this other thing is going on, the legislation going on at the second level, the public hearings that are going on at the first level, you know, it's come to this incredible head where they become so powerful now that they actually deign to have. But Lou Elizando come before the House Oversight Committee and tell them directly to their face in response to a question that was put to him by Congressman Burleson that if, in fact, Congressman Burleson, as a member of the House Oversight Committee, could get into a skiff

with Lou Elizondo. Could Lou Elizando provide to him and to the Congress the definitive information, that proves to them as skeptics, that in fact we're in possession of one or more, a non-human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft, and the bodies of the occupants that have been proven through DNA tests to be non-human, would he be authorized to give them that information? And Lou told him directly under oath that he is prohibited from giving them that information. And the question is by whom?

Right. Who is it that has the authority to tell him that he can't provide this information to the proper authorities in Congress? Yeah. What we're trying to do is get the Congress to stand up on its hind legs and assert in law that they mandate that that information be given over to them. and that they mandate that the people who give them that information be effectively protected against retaliation. That's what's happening right now. That's the seriousness of the problem that is represented deeply behind the scenes in this quest to get the information about the existence of an entire extraterrestrial civilization that is surrounding our planet and our solar system. You know, the national security state has taken it upon themselves to have the authority to keep that secret actively, aggressively, by trying to destroy the reputation, the careers, the family lives, even unto taking the lives of people who attempt to reveal this to the public.

You know, that's the serious nature of what we're really dealing with in the deepest level with regard to the UFO issue. It's unreal. I mean, when you really put everything into perspective and you see what's been going on behind the scenes and people ask, well, how could you keep this a secret for so long? I think that's probably the best answer you can put out there is to put, lay all that out the way that you did, Danny. And it's just unbelievable perspective that you're able to give on such a wide-ranging issue. Well, all of this, all of this is a subset, Stephen, of a more kind of profound question. And that is, what is the agenda of these extraterrestrial beings? How could they possibly allow themselves to be captured like this? How could they allow their craft to be falling into the hands of our national security state?

And for that matter, into the hands of the national security state of China and also Russia, who also have these craft, you know, and have recovered these crafts. You know, why is it they're doing that? And that is, I guess you might honestly refer to that as the fourth dimension of this entire issue. And that is, what is it that's going on with regard to this extraterrestrial civilization? You know, do they, in fact, have some sort of collective juridical entity in connection with which they all cooperate with each other? Is there some unified command? Is there some sort of unified decision-making process that they engage in?

Because we know that there's at least five different species of these non-human extraterrestrial beings. We know that they're the small three-and-a-half-foot-tall grays. We know that there's the tall grays or tall whites that appear to be virtually. the same biological structure as the small grays, but they're tall, and they call them the tall grays of the tall whites. There are the reptilians that are clearly a stem of evolution, biological evolution in our galaxy that have developed the reptilian species into a full kind of almost humanoid, actually humanoid kind of development, where they're six feet tall, you know, head, body, trunk, arms, legs, feet, you know, fingers, you know, they look very much

like us, but they're reptilian, whereas we're mammalian, okay? And then there is this other group that are, you know, derogatorily referred to as insectoids, more appropriately referred to as mantis, the mantis people, because they look like a praying mantis. They're big, tall, almost seven feet tall, extraordinarily skinny, you know, kind of bent over, highly intelligent, and appear to be kind of the preeminent of the species, that whenever they're seen together,

with any of the other species, they seem to be in charge. They seem to be giving directions to the other species. The question is, if these are different species from different star systems, do they have some sort of a coordinated organization through which they cooperate in that they follow a kind of an agreed-upon set of protocols? We don't know this. Now, it's virtually certain, in my judgment, based on 50 years of experience in conducting investigations in this unique area, among others, that it's quite clear that they have resolved at this point that they are extraordinarily concerned about the development of thermonuclear weapons by our human species here on our planet. It's perfectly clear that they have been engaged in.

All of these species have been witnessed by numerous people, even to the point in which we're still investigating explicit claims of people who have asserted that they have personally been present in situations where our United States military personnel are working in deep underground bases with one or more. of these particular extraterrestrial species. But the bottom line is this is what is going on at the deeper level. In this fourth dimension of this issue is what the intentions are of the extraterrestrial civilization and these species. What are they up to? Most importantly, many people, of course, have studied this, is the fact that they appear to be abducting human beings engaging in, developing a hybrid of a species between the tall grays and our human species.

That seems to be a hybrid program that is functioning now, and it's not clear what the purpose of this is, and it's not clear how advanced that is. It's not clear whether they've developed a set of hybrid beings that are capable of being integrated into our human community and not be recognized. It's not clear at all. But there's a debate about that, just like there's still a debate about the degree to which our national security state has been effective and effectively reverse engineering the technology. Hi, you're listening to Meditating with Jan from Toyota. Soften your focus and visualize yourself offroading in a Tacoma. Now engage your senses. What do you hear? A donkey! Because you

You're driving the kids to a farm sanctuary and a Grand Highlander. Breathe in, breathe out, and go from dreaming it to driving it today. Dealer inventory may vary. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Event ends March 31st. Toyota, let's go places. And that's where we're going to end part one. A little cliffhanger of sorts there, but we'll pick it up right at that point in part two in just a, you know, a couple days here this week.

And we do pick it up right there with talking about the Tic Tac. because I do ask him about, you know, what's the deal? There's been so much talk about the TikTok UFO. Is that something from the U.S. government? Is it actually alien? Is it a little bit of both? And so we get into that question. And, well, he goes through some stories that I've never heard before again

about some witnesses that he's dealing with behind the scenes, firsthand witnesses who are ready to come out and talk once these whistleblower protection acts are passed, hopefully sometime in the future, as well as someone that he has spoken. to previously who was in the room at a meeting with an alien at S4. And this guy apparently was in the room for it and describes what this alien looked like and what he wanted.

I've never heard the story in my life. So Danny Shehan talks about that in part two as well, plus a lot more. So I can't wait to bring that to you in the next couple of days. And I hope you enjoyed part one here on UAP today. Really, really fascinating conversation. And again, just so much information to take in. And he really is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to this conversation because of everybody that he's dealt with. You heard it there, Louis Luzondo and Stephen Greer and all the players and actors behind the scenes, politicians throughout the decades.

He's a very fascinating person to talk to when it comes to this conversation. So I'm glad I was able to bring that to you. I do love the idea, too, about this Council of Nine. You know, he mentioned how it matches with the Supreme Court. I'm not going to lie when he mentioned the Council of Nine for this group that would be brought on by the president, a council that would be appointed by the president to tackle the UFO issue in a way that's never been done before within government. I couldn't help but to think of because I'm a giant nerd. I thought of the fellowship of the ring with Lord of the Rings. I'm not going to lie.

The Council of Rivendell, Gandalf and Gimley and Frodo and everybody there. I'm like, oh, wow, that's like Lord of the Rings. and I don't think that's what Danny Sheehan was thinking about. He was thinking about the Supreme Court, which is probably more apt in this situation, considering it has to do with D.C. and politics. But that's my mind went to Lord of the Rings. But anyway, I love that idea, and I hope we get to see that. And we do touch on that Council of Nine and what that would look like and who might be on there. And who Danny has actually suggested already to who would be on a council like that to kind of tackle the UFO issue.

in DC. So incredible stuff. So just super informative. And I hope that you were able to take something away from that. And it might be worth a second listen, honestly, just to try to take some of that in. And I'll let you know when part two comes out before the end of this week, so we can pick up where we left off. But until then, don't forget to download and subscribe to this show wherever you get your podcasts, all the big platforms, Apple, and Spotify, and all the other ones. Rate it five stars, if you don't mind. That would greatly appreciate that. If you haven't done it before and also follow along on social media and you can also send me messages on social media as well at ua podcast 850 on twitter and ticot on youtube it's at ua podcast and feel free to

just you know shoot me messages there or through email at uappodcast.com you can find the email address there as well um and just feel free to reach out anything you have on your mind good bad and different your own story i always try to get back to everybody so no worries there but that will do it for now on this part one. Can't wait to bring your part two later on in the week. It doesn't disappoint. I can guarantee you that. And I know, you know, try to live up to the hype with all this stuff as best I can, but I really do think you're going to enjoy it.

So I look forward to bringing you that. But until then, thank you again for everything, for all the support, for sticking around, for continuing to come back here on UAP. It really does mean the world to me. So thank you so much. It's Stephen Dean here here here here, Be well, and talk to you again soon. Right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thank you.