UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - EP 196 Uncovering the Syndicate of Secrecy with Christopher Sharp

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

If you thought that the UFO cover up was just another conspiracy theory, wait until you hear this. Stephen Diener sits down with one of the premiere journalists covering the UAP topic, Christopher Sharp, to shine a light on the underbelly of secrecy that permeates through the US government. This is truly an eye opener at just how deep this secret goes...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to bring this episode to you here today. I finally, finally get to present to you a conversation here on this show, on UAP, a conversation with the great Christopher Sharp. And if you're not familiar with Chris's work, he is, in my opinion, and he might disagree because he's a humble guy. Maybe you disagree because you just think there's somebody else that's better. But in my opinion, I think he is probably the best journalist in the world covering this topic. I honestly, I mean, as much as I follow this, and you know I do, I don't think there's anyone better. And that's not a slight to anybody. Of course, there are some really good ones.

I'm so consistently impressed by Chris's work that he does with the Liberation Times, with the Daily Mail. And the way that he's able to track down the details, the facts, the names, the money, put it all together. His sources, his investigative work. the way he's able, he's the whole package when it comes to an investigative journalist. And he puts that prowess to work and puts all that power into the UAP topic. Like, again, my opinion, like nobody else in the world. So for all those reasons, I'm so excited to finally have him on here today and present this conversation to you. Because, well, you know, all the things, all the superlatives I'm throwing out about him,

you'll see why, if you're not familiar with his work, then you'll see exactly and you'll hear exactly what I'm talking about in this interview. because the way that we go over the underbelly of the syndicate of secrecy, as I've dubbed this episode. And I did that for a reason because as it was driving home that night after we did this interview, we actually did this on Friday night a few days back when we originally recorded this. And you'll hear me say that during the show. But when I was driving home, it just, our conversation stuck with me so much. I was going through all the things that we spoke about.

And the term syndicate of secrecy just popped into my head. And I just thought to myself, yeah. that's what we're dealing with here. We are dealing with a true crime syndicate. We are dealing with a syndicate of secrecy. And you'll see why I say that. And you'll see why I think why I named that term here, the syndicate of secrecy, why I titled that episode that very term.

Because we dive into that. It's the most I've ever dove into the underbelly of the government secrecy ever here on UAP or even privately. But that's what Chris is good at. And that's why I wanted to speak with him and really kind of try to get to the bottom of all of all this. And I learned so much and I think you will too, even though some of it is a little bit disturbing. But that's what we're dealing with. So I'm going to get right to it here today and come back with some afterthoughts once we're done. Enjoy it here.

It's a true deep dive and it's really something. Myself and Christopher Sharp right here on UAP. Enjoy. Well, it's my pleasure now to bring on for the first time here, to you AP. The editor-in-chief from the Liberation Times, the one, the only Christopher Sharp, the great Christopher Sharp, in my opinion. Chris, thanks for doing this. I've been following your work for a while. I'm really happy to have you on. Oh, thank you, Stephen. That means a lot. It means a lot. It's, yeah, like, I know that there's been, you know, some really, really good podcast you've done

recently, and you're becoming a big name yourself. So I'm happy to be here with you. I appreciate that. So I have a feeling that, you know, we, maybe we can make some waves with this one here today because there is a lot to touch on for sure. And actually, what I'd like to do, Chris, is get right into something that just really happened. Now, as we're talking here right now, of course, just just for, I guess, timing's sake, we're talking right here right now on Friday nights. And so by the time everyone here is this, it's going to be a few days later. But as we're speaking now, there is something that just happened to you and one of your, I mean, big pieces of work was just taken down from the Daily Mail. It was something that you and Matt Ford and a couple of others worked on.

It was a big article that you guys worked on about how the CIA was involved with the Office of Global Access and the crash retrieval program. It was an incredible piece that you guys had to put out and now it's gone. It's been permanently deleted from the Daily Mail. So what do you know about that right now? I know it's still early, so I apologize if you're still kind of gathering information on that. But what can tell us about that in the immediate? Yeah, so I remain open-minded. I'm just trying to seek clarification from my co-writer Josh Boswell, who's a staff writer there.

But I could imagine if Josh knew anything about it, he would have likely been in touch with me already. So they have taken me by surprise as well. it's interesting. I mean, you guys were blindsided by this then. This was completely like no one from Daily Mail got in touch with you. They didn't say, hey,

we need you to revise a couple things, but they just took it down and you had no idea. Yeah, that's true. So, I mean, it could be a glitch. Who knows?

It could be a glitch. I'll keep open minded towards that. But yeah, like from my understanding, like, you know, if they took it down because there was something that was,

factually incorrects about it, for example, they would have to talk to me, Josh and Matt, about that first, usually. Or they would have to see some very, very compelling evidence to prove to the contrary that it wasn't correct, you know, because we're talking about classified stuff here and, you know, alien life and UAPs and stuff like that. they're aiding life anyway in terms of visiting Earth that's not a thing according to the DOW and the intelligence committee

so like how would you do that so I don't know it's it's very very strange but all I can say is that if it has been taken down due to like a complaint or national security or something like that first it's strange because it's been up a number of years now so it's already out there

you know that train's past you know yeah and then secondly if that does happen i mean it becomes the bigger story it becomes a much bigger story right and that would backfire so at the moment nothing really makes sense to me so um we're just trying to get some clarity and as i said i just i just remain open-minded um so we'll have to we'll have to see which direction this goes in yeah no it And that's fair. I mean, hey, I guess for argument's sake, it could be a mistake, right? Maybe it's nothing nefarious. It just kind of seems odd that it ends up being that particular article talking about the CIA in a crash retrieval program.

Can you think of anything for anybody who's not familiar with that article, with that investigative piece that you guys did, can you think of anything that would piece of information names something like that that would be in the article that would cause some type of stir within the CIA that would cause them now, all the. time later to call them up and say, we need this down now, even though it's been out there for a while? Not really, no. I think we named, like, Office of Global Access was out there already, you know, it was open source information that is existed. And I suppose what we did was, you know, we tried to really get to the bottom behind the composition of a retrieval program. and so we put it all together in terms of, you know, your elite kind of like military special forces teams working together with, you know, DOE components and which be Nest and then, you know, the CIA as well and how that's all kind of like put together via the Director of Science and Technology at the time.

and the Office of Global Access. So we kind of like put that all together, I suppose. So I think that was quite big at the time in terms of the story, putting it together in terms of the exact details. Because everyone always used to say, oh, CIA, they do all this stuff. But kind of like, I wanted to get to the bottom, like, who in the CIA, where in the CIA, how's it work, what are the logistics and stuff like that? I wanted to really drill down to those.

So I suppose we got that out. But I mean, I don't know what's sensitive about it. From my understanding, like some people claim the OGA still exists, the Office of Global Access. Others say that it's being moved into one of the mission centers within the CIA. So it's a real tough one. And I'd also mention as well, the Office of Global Access, you know, this isn't what it usually does in terms of like its day-to-day kind of job.

You know, its job is to retrieve. stuff and put and to put stuff in basically, which is very resensitive within foreign countries. So they're kind of like called like the tunnel wraps or something like that because they can get into extremely hard places and put a piece of equipment to help gather information and extract that information as well. Well, extract that equipment as well. So they're very, very good at that. And it's just so happens, you know, in terms of a retrieval mission from my understanding,

where you got a craft being recovered in a really hard-to-access location, let's say. You know, it could even be a contested location. Those would be your go-to guys. So it's a real tough one. Yeah, I mean, I have to look at the story again to have another run through. But nothing really springs to mind at the top of my head. I guess other than the obvious, which was kind of uncovering the way that this, the inner workings of the program, I suppose, and how they all connect and how the departments connect and how they all work together in conjunction to, you know, achieve crash retrieval. Now, I mean, do you think that, and this is pure speculation, so I just want to get your take on it, given the timing, do you think that it has anything, any connection with recent disappearance?

I know with General McCasteland and even others on his team who disappeared some months ago and now he's gone. Of course, we have, you know, the Caltech professor, Gromare who was shot and killed on his porch. There's speculation that all these things might be connected. We can't say for sure, but all these people had one thing in common, which was working with very sensitive information, having to do with space and advanced technology. And we have that going on on the side. And now we also have this article that you did being taken down. Just first reaction.

Do you think there is anything there that if any of this is connected, this might be a piece of it? Yeah. So, I mean, obviously it has crossed my mind. And I really don't know what's happening. All I can say in terms of like Macasson, for instance, is it's bizarre, really, really bizarre. Certainly when you take into account the other disappearances and deaths as well,

it's really, really bizarre. But let's say, let's take it up, you know, like, there's a hypothesis, and this is part of a pushback, perhaps, from the antibodies within the system. And if this was part of that, let's say, so let's go down that scenario. It may not be that. I could just get the message right now that it's been put back upon the daily mail website. Who knows.

But let's entertain that. So if that was going to happen, all you could say is that, you know, it's a signal. You know, it's been up there for a long time on the website. So, I mean, it's not really sensitive anymore in terms of that because it's spread all around the world this story has. so the only reasoning if we are going down that route is basically they're sending a signal you know this is your first warning or something like that maybe so yeah it's it's it's it's it's tough to say but all I would say is some very very powerful bad people you know may now be in places of greater power than they were previously potentially

he said. Hmm. Yeah. But before we came on, you noticed your phone, you were kind of like, you know, concerned a little bit because you said that someone was trying to log into your email and you were getting notification. Someone was trying to log into your email. Of course, you're denying the access. Does that happen a lot?

Again, we're talking about timing, maybe coincidences. Maybe we can write some of these things off. But, you know, the article just comes down. Now someone's trying to log into your email remotely. So, I mean, does that alarm you at all? And does that happen a lot? It does. I mean, that's been happening for a few months now. It's stopped recently in terms of people trying to access my email. I know that these scams going on and they try to fish me. Yeah.

When we released the Office of Global Access story, you know, Matt Ford receives kind of like a threat when he's in Las Vegas from this random person. And then my internet goes down on my computer. and it never fully recovers. It's kind of like every other, like on that exact day, the article goes out, like my internet goes down, where it's only like got one bar, basically. And then you go everywhere else in my home. Every other device is full signal with the Wi-Fi. Except my computer.

Except my computer. I call the service provider. They can't find out what's gone wrong. And in the end, I have to get a new computer. So, yeah, I'm very, very cautious in terms of interpreting things. I mean, my family life and my kids and stuff, my feet, weight, to the ground. But, yeah, I just see it is interesting. And obviously, you do have those moments when it's quite alarming in terms of the information you're getting out.

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that was a really big deal. A lot of people were sitting on that information in terms of there being, you know, not just materials that was supposed to go to Bigelow, which we're going to come to that base, but actually there being an exotic craft at that base. Right. Like people knew that, but no one was willing to kind of like put that information out apart from me. Maybe I'm just dumb enough to do that. I don't know. No, it's, you know, look, I think there's a level of bravery there because, you know, if no one puts it out there, no one's going to know.

And I'm with you. I believe people deserve to know these things. You know, as long as it doesn't hurt national security and put us at a disadvantage in some way, then I believe people deserve to know. know what's happening, you know, the things that we can put out there. So good on you for doing it. And actually, you just said something that I was going to ask you about. What do you say to the people who listen to this right now and they think to themselves, man, these guys are dramatic. There's nothing going on. No one's being threatened. They don't care about what's going on. It's all just a coincidence. It's in their heads. They're paranoid. What do you say to all those things? all I can say is that when people who only I know come up to me and they're very, very

credible and they make these warnings, you have to kind of like take that into consideration when you're getting authority figures telling you that. And yeah, it does play on your mind as a human being. I spoke to one person who spoke out for it. since like what they said was very, very interesting and I never said it before. I won't name the person, but they said it publicly and about kind of like UAP materials, let's say. And I was trying to get in touch with them, try and get further comment. And the person said they were warned that it's kind of like you took a big risk there.

And you never know when you've gone too far until you've gone too far. and by then it's too late. Don't push your luck. And the person has since refused to comment on anything in terms of UAP related because he was given that warning. Wow. Wow. So that's, I mean, how do you react to that when you see something like that? Have you stayed in contact with this person?

I mean, how do you even take that in the moment? So there is a line that you have to not go past. So you have to respect the wishes of certain people that you know are involved. I know people that have been threatened badly who have been in big positions, let's say, investigating the UAP topic, let's say. And I know that they're very, very credible. and I've chosen not to go there in terms of publishing information about them because I know that their lives have been destroyed already

and that they're trying to rebuild their lives and me putting information out there in a personal capacity would potentially threaten their lives at the moment when they're trying to rebuild everything. So I think you've got to like take. ethical considerations into account as well when it comes to stuff. It's startling because, you know, I just finished speaking previously with Jeff Nusateli, who of course I think people are familiar with now as far as being a congressional

witness. He tells an incredible story about the Vanderberg sightings in the early 2000s. And it was a shocking moment when he was on here. And he said that, you know, he felt like he was being threatened before the testimony, before the congressional hearing. in September of last year in 25 because his house was broken into, and we called the police about it, he reported it, but he said he felt like that he was,

and he was, you know, face-to-face people coming up to him and other witnesses who were going to testify, and he said he felt like he was being sent a message to your point of what we've been talking about here. And we are going to cover some other topics, but I felt this was an important one to start with. But he said he felt like he was being threatened in the sense of sending a message that we can get to you whenever we're,

want and you should you should be careful. And so it's kind of what we're talking about here and the people who have responded to you saying that basically their lives have been threatened. I mean, in not so many words and they can't go any further than they've already have if we're going to take those statements that way that they gave you. Obviously you can't reveal who that is and the people that you've spoken to, but I will ask it this way. Are these names that people would recognize and be surprised that they're the ones telling you that they've reached this level of threats? People wouldn't recognize them.

Not necessarily. Their names may have been put out there before, but most people would be who they are. Okay. Okay. It's a heavy subject, obviously. And actually, there was something that you brought up that I was going to ask a later, but since you brought it up, I'll bring it up now about, you know, things that you hold back as far as different pieces that you put in, put out for publication. And you have to make that

decision, right? You have to make the ethical decision on what should I or should I not put out depending on all these different factors. Can you talk about maybe in at least a general way of some the things that you've had to hold back? You felt like personally, I shouldn't put this out now or I shouldn't put it out at all because of X, Y, Z factors. What type of things have there been where that's happened to you and does it happen a lot? Yeah, yeah, it happens sometimes. So, you know, you've got this. So you've got two stories, I'll say.

You've got Gary Nalen being threatened, basically with death, from someone in the White House. And the current White House? So Gary Nolan was threatened by someone in the White House, someone from the White House from my understanding. And then you've got Mark and Drieson, one of the Silicon Valley guys, being told by someone in the White House that, you know, they can classify AI just like they classify physics

or something along those lines. So I think the White House is a very interesting place that one's really touched on before. and probably with good reason. All you've got to do is put yourself in the space whereby, let's say you're a president in the late 40s's early 50s in charge of putting together the secrecy. As that president, you want to make sure that there is oversight in your own office to ensure that you know what's going on. So, you know, throughout the years, president may only know for a need to know now. But that same architecture may still be there, let's say, within places in the White House.

And I won't go there. I won't name names. I won't be too specific when it comes to that because the risk is too much. you know, we've got Burleson even saying that, you know, if there are certain names that he mentions, that puts him in danger. You know, whoever's going to put that information. If that information does come out, they're braver than me. That's what I can say. Because I'm not going to go there.

Wow. Do you think, because this has kind of been the case now, and you alluded to it over the decades, right? This isn't something new, honestly, when it comes to. how much does the president know and how much is the president strategically told and correct me if I'm wrong but just based off of my observations on this topic going back to JFK when it comes to

threats against the president not to go too far you know it's been spoken about that maybe that was one of the things theorized that one of the things that got JFK assassinated it's been spoken about before Bill Clinton where he was told you don't want to end up like JFK stop looking into this because he was very interested in the topic. Barack Obama talks about, you know, unless they're hiding things from the president,

I can't tell you too much about what's in Area 51. And now that leads us to Trump where he says, yeah, I've been told some things, but, you know, I'm not really into all that, but we're going to declassify all this stuff. So should people understand, like, that's what we're dealing with, where you have the president and you think that is the person who would know all this stuff, but there's actually this other sector that, hides the information from them? Yeah, they're a temporary employee

and, you know, I think even in this country in the UK, you know, the permanent civil service, know how to run rings around, secretaries of states when it comes to anything because the bureaucratic system is just very, very complex and layered. And, yeah, I think that does happen. I think Barack Obama, particularly, I think there's allegation out there

James Clapper and Stephanie and Sullivan, who were the Director of National Intelligence at the time, and PDD and I, his deputy, Stephanie and Sellevin, they were running a kinetic and crash retrieval program shooting down UAP and retrieving them. That's out there now. And yeah, that was right under Obama's nose. So, yeah, it may have been.

very deliberate in terms of those comments. There's not going on back then. Yeah, and kind of in that time frame. And I know what's happened recently with J.D. Vance, where he just spoke about aliens too. So I want to get to that in a second, but kind of staying in that time frame, how much do you think

because you mentioned Secretary of State and you mentioned some of these behind-the-scenes players, how much do you think Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, her campaign manager, John Podesta, who was also big during Obama's term. Was he Chief of Staff? I'm trying to remember off the top of my head. Yeah, he was like

something like head of her presidential campaign at the time when he made contact with Delonge, but I think it may have gone as far back as when he was one of the advice to Obama under his presidency. Yeah, that's right. So those two

names come to mind because also, you know, she was just in the deposition. We mentioned Burleson, where Burleson asks during the Epstein deposition, you know, what did you find out about aliens? Is there anything that you can tell us about it? Of course, that didn't really go anywhere. She was asking them more questions.

But how much do you think they were players? What have you found out in your investigations over the years in writing for the Times, the Liberation Times, about Hillary Clinton and John Podestan, what they might have known and what they've held back over the years? Yeah, I think there's, there's a lot to that. And I still need to get to the bottom of it.

There's a few other players, at least one other person involved. I can't name that person. I was going to have to sign an NDA, not to say that to that person, but I had to give my word, and I am going to give my word. But there's someone else potentially involved as well.

But I think what you've got to think about is when you look in any administration, you've got to look at the background, the people who really hold the power. You know, we've got it out there now that Dick Cheney, for example, was kind of like, well, the main guys, was the main guy in terms of a lot of the secrecy. We know that James Clapper, for instance, knew and spoke very, very highly of Bobby Ray Inman, because he was like a liaison between the NSA and, And U.S. Air Force back in the late 70s, early 80s. So that's how he knew Bobby Ray Inman. So you call these connections and stuff. But I think that something was developing within the Obama White House.

And Obama likely is very, very aware of it. He was very close to Harry Reid, for example. So it would be surprising if he didn't know more than he was letting on. Very interesting. I mean, it's – and that's the thing that I kind of – I kind of come back to, and I kind of think about in my own time, really, too, Chris, is that when I talk to somebody, for example, and I wonder if you have similar experiences, when I talk to somebody outside of the conversation, right? Just everyday life, you meet somebody

new, you meet somebody at, you know, a work function. Oh, what do you do in your department, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah, I have this show where I talk about aliens. Oh, wow. And they start to kind of, you know, think it's funny, think it's cute. And then I start to talk to them more about Yeah, this is what I talk about. And they're like, oh, wow. So, I mean, do you have that type of, like, same conversation or the same type of experiences where sometimes people who aren't entrenched in the topic think about, oh, yeah, wow, aliens, that's fun. You know, X-Files, little green men. And then they start to learn about the webs, right, that we're talking about here, where you can trace it back.

And there's real investigative work that goes into this, dangerous investigative work that goes into this, where you trace bow. different players in presidential administrations and classified departments and three-letter agencies throughout the decades. And when people start to learn that, it kind of becomes almost too much for them to take in. But what kind of experience you have with that where people start to realize, yeah, there's more to this that meets the eye? Yeah, yeah. So one good example, I guess, was about a month ago when I appeared on Talk TV in the UK. And I was being interviewed. by a lady named Alex Phillips.

And one of her guests on the show, who was watching the interview, was Noel Gardner, works for the Heritage Foundation. And he was, I thought he was an aide to Margaret Fatcher. So, yeah, like really reputable guy. And after my interview, he was like saying to Alex, like because Alex had said that his face dropped in the advert break after my interview and he basically said yeah that interview with the Daily Mail Journalist I must admit was

was quite extraordinary and it does seem like there is something to this and this may be like you know one of the biggest stories if not the biggest time or something like that I said that was kind of like a really cool um that was a really cool situation because you was seeing like a live reaction from someone who's really re-repegible, you know. So that was really cool for me. That was a cool moment, you know? I was like, yes. Especially to my wife, you know, who never listens to me about this.

I'm like, yes, see? This guy's important. That's right. I have similar situations at home as well. So I completely understand. But kind of staying in this realm and touching on something that, again, kind of just happened as we're speaking now here on a Friday night, something that's kind of, you you know, hit the news waves and social media in a big way was Vice President J.D. Vance

on a podcast with Benny Johnson, I believe, where Benny Johnson asks him about, you know, what's going on. You know, President Trump said, released the UFO files. Are you looking into it? And Vance has spoken before about this when asked about it. He said he's highly interested in it. It's something in his answer to Benny Johnson. Actually, he said, I'm obsessed with the topic. I want to find out. It was one of the first things on my list when I first got into office.

and now I've been distracted with economy and national security. He's like, but it's something I still want to get into. And then he made the big claim and credit actually to Benny Johnson because some people wouldn't do it. He pressed Vance on it a little bit and said, you know, because Vance had mentioned, I think it's demons. And Benny Johnson says, well, hold on. You need to expound on that a little bit.

I'm paraphrasing. So he did. And his claim now, and this is the thing that's kind of gone viral is, I think it's demons kind of overall. We have the vice president of the United States in the camp of aliens or demons. So when we hear that, it kind of goes back,

and I want to get your opinion on it, to a lot of people in very big positions of power, such as vice president, believe that this might have more of a demonic entity to it than anything. Do you think that's something that is going to hamper big time disclosure? Or do you think it's something that maybe would have a reverse effect on it. It's difficult to tell, but what my thoughts were is that, I mean, this is kind of like,

it reminds me of the Peter Phil kind of like line of thinking he does a lot of lectures on the Antichrist as well. Right. Now Peter Phil does. He's very philosophical about this stuff. And it just reminds me that it seems to me that Silicon Valley once in, they know something's happening. They know something's up. They know that physics has stagnated since 1970s, which I think Peter Phil had actually mentioned as well in an FD article. So they know something's up and they want

to know. Peter Phil is a very, very good, good chess player, very strategic in his thinking. And, you know, if you did want to get to the bottom of this and you want it in, let's say, access to the craft or to the power source or something like that, you want to make sure that you're putting all your people in the right position. So let's have a look at, let's have a look at JD Vance, for example. I think he was running in Ohio or something like that for Senate, and he was losing. And then all of a sudden he was given one of the biggest campaign donations in history by Peter Phil.

And it just so happened that J.D. Vance used to work for Peter Phil. And I believe that Peter Phil has got his people in positions deliberately, let's say, and part of the reason is that they can have access to this stuff. So, you know, another guy, let's say, Michael Cratzias, you know, former Peter Phil, chief of staff. Where is he now? Well, he's now the science advisor to the president. And he's talking about like technologies, like strange technologies. And, you know, this is the position that, you know,

if you follow it down to like the 1940s, like that's the Bush position. Vannevar Bush, is that how you pronounce it? That would be kind of like he's a successor to that, you know. So it's very, very interesting. I would say what's going on the moon. It is. And, yeah, it trails that line of thinking, you know. That's, yeah, no, I was going to say that.

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It might have to correct me on that. But a few other people, maybe Jacques Verlet, maybe Lou as well, I need to see who attended. but you might just have to look this up online, but it was kind of like hosted by Peterfield. And then you've got to look, who's kind of like leading his company in terms of the investments and stuff. Is it Peterfield Capital or something like that?

Well, the guy who's heading that up is Eric Weinstein. Again, someone who thinks that something is up, you know. I think they're deeply interested in this. I really, really do. And I think that Elon Musk is deeply interested in this as well. I think there's a reason why Joe Rogan says that as well. I think it's all really, really big at. I think these people, these people know a lot more than they're letting on, I think.

And yeah. Yeah, super, wow, very interesting. You've opened up a whole can of worms in my head here, Chris. I'm not going to lie, because now I start to think, well, what is their interest? in it, why do they have this interest level? Peter Thiel, a Elon Musk who's always been kind of, you know, where does he fall in all this?

And he just kind of always gives the same line, which is, I have the most rockets in space and satellites. If there were something out there, then we would know. And I would be the first one to say it. I would tweet it out, you know, that type of thing. That's always kind of his answer with it. But where do you think the interest lies for them? Is it because they know more that they're letting on

and they're trying to figure out more with it so they can use the technology and understand it or are they just in the dark and they're trying to figure out more with it so they can understand it and use all the technology? I think it might be all the above. I think it might, I really think it might be all the above. But, yeah, I get the impression that there's a lot more to it. And, you know, I don't see it as good or bad. I just, you know, I see it as potentially good, you know, at least something could shake it up a bit, you know? I know, I know. I know. there's a lot of people who think that Peterfield's involvement is bad. I can see what they're coming from.

But I mean, it's just my nature just to keep an open mind. Sure. Just wait for information. So that's what I tend to do really. So yeah, if it takes us in a good direction, if it helps us out in terms of disclosure, you know, then I'd be all for it. So yeah, I'd be interested to see how this plays up. But yeah, that's what I think this is where it takes Jidi Vance's interest, perhaps. So, yeah, it's definitely of interest, I think we can say to Peterfield that he's into the UAP topic. It's just like the mystery aspect for me, right? I mean, I kind of grew up in, if I go back to high school, you know, reading like Agatha Christie,

you know, reading these mystery novels and kind of trying to piece it together. And that's where my mind really starts the spark. And I can obviously with you as well. And you try to piece these things, you try to put the puzzle together, all these, where does does the web lead to, right? And all these names, how do they all play in together? It's fascinating to me because there is an answer there. And the question is, how do all these names, when you start to put the pieces of the puzzle together, how do they kind of all connect and why, right? Yeah, I like to think above my head, there's this like jigsaw puzzle, which is

ongoing above my head. Exactly. Nothing has been decided. Nothing, you know, it's not completed yet. it's still kind of like in motion, still at play, and you're just kind of like trying to put the pieces together, and you keep open-minded because you don't know which way it's going to go in. That's, yeah, that is really how my mind, like, works that comes to this. And you have to take into account, you know, about the way that the secrecy works as well, like, you know, all these places like CIA and stuff, have liaisons between each other, like have liaison between CIA,

CIA and Department of Energy. And likewise, they'll have their own liaisons of Congress and stuff like that. So, you know, and they work on joint missions together. I mean, that is something that we know. So in terms of this airspace denial program, I think it was 1998, 1999, where they, working with the Peruvian Air Force, they accidentally shot down civilian plane. it was a big accident and it resulted in a public inquiry basically and when an inquiry anyway

I don't know if it was public but there is a document about it basically looking at other incidents where they haven't gone through the correct procedures where they've shot something down and on the exact same month in the exact same year there is a cataloged case within the report of something being shot down over group all these things to come together you start mapping it in your in your mind you know and one place takes you to the other place yeah sorry no i that completely identify with that exactly right how one thing leads to another and that's kind of my stream of consciousness as well and sometimes how these these conversations go and how one thing you know kind of leads to another and i leave out a bunch of questions because so many other ones come up in my mind um such as this one where and i think

think last question on this topic anyway when it comes to the talk about aliens being demons. I actually just had a whole series on this and, you know, I kind of focused on the different possibilities. Good, the bad, the others. And my final conclusion, just to kind of tie this together with what we're talking about, was that in my humble opinion, there's no way this is just one thing. Some of it could be demonic, some of it could be angelic, and some of it could be otherworldly, interdimensional, whatever you want to call it. But my read is that there's no way that there's just this one thing that's happening and that they're all demons.

So on that note, what, and we talk about Peter Thiel, we talk about J.D. Vance, we talk about anybody who maybe might want, and anybody in Washington who goes with the demon theory, is there some reason that they would want to push that? Would there be a specific play there on a chessboard? that would say we're going to play the demon card and this is the narrative that we're going to put out from our mantle in dc does this is there something that would cause that chris do you think yeah so so you know there there there there are kind of like a bunch of options here and like two of them is that you're either putting you're overlaying your own belief system onto it and and another option is it is it is it

it's real. I know that there was a lot of interest from to the Stars Academy in the religious texts. And there was a lot of interest in Gnosticism as well and the Archons and the Demiage, the Lower deity, and that there is a true God out there or something like that. But these archons and the Demeurge kind of like trying to keep humanity down so that we can't kind of like connect to that true source, which is God. And it was kind of like seeing the earth is kind of like some kind of like prison, basically. So I know that there has been that kind of like thinking going on. what led people to think in that way.

I'm not completely sure. But yeah, it's really difficult to tell because you've got so many takes and this stuff, haven't you? And I think it's one of those cases, the more that you learn, the more confused you get and the more you think you may have not learned. Yeah, it's so true. There's one really, there's one angle that really kind of sticks in my head

and when we talk about how much presidents are involved, how much presidents know, when it comes to the current administration under Trump and we kind of like look at lineage, we look at connections like where you do with other administrations, looking at Trump's

family lineage, his uncle, and I know you know this, and this has been a talking point out there, his uncle was a famous MIT professor. He was a brilliant guy. It said that he was the one that was in charge of grabbing the Nikola Tesla files after Tesla passed away.

Is there something there, Chris, do you think, when it comes to that, you know, obviously undeniable lineage where the president of the United States had this tenured uncle at MIT who may have had a connection to Tesla's technology? Potentially. Potentially, yeah. Potentially. Could be something. I know that has been something of interest.

I know a bunch of people as well who say, oh, if Trump knew about UAPE, you know, he'd tell everyone you couldn't stop yapping. But the fact is that Trump has been read into various classified programs just due to his position and operations and stuff. And from my understanding, I don't think he's, you know, broken any laws in terms of declassifying something that he wasn't supposed to. Obviously, he has authorization to classify from any information. he wants. So yeah, it's certainly interesting. I mean, there's another train of thought as well when it comes to the UAP stuff. So everyone's kind of like, oh, you know, they're not telling Congress the truth, the intelligence community isn't telling the truth and stuff like that. There's another train of thinking actually saying that they have told the truth to the committees

in Congress, the Armed Services Committee and the Gang of 8 and the Intergence Committees. but just happens that because of the restrictions you're under as a member of one of those committees once they do tell you it well you know

you may know the truth that our aliens are real whatever you know well you can't say anything about it because you were told to skip if you tell anyone anything that happened in the skip you're going to get a lot of trouble you know and it's a strange situation isn't it because now we've got the likes of Jilla brand who seem to come very very quiet about the UAP

topic, right? So you know. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Kind of on on that note, too. Where do you land on Arrow, Chris? Because this is something that's been obviously a hot button issue when it comes to Arrow and created by Congress using taxpayer money to get to the bottom of things, to give reports to the people. And then they come out with reports on the Sean Kirkpatrick and say, nothing to see here. And then you have new leadership and we're kind of in the same boat right now when it comes to Arrow. Then we have representative, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Luna who says we want to defund Arrow. I'm going to work with Tim Burchett, who is now heading the Doge department to defund Arrow and

start something else. So it's kind of like this big quagmire right now when it comes to Arrow and how it relates to government disclosure. Where should we land on Arrow and where do you see all this going? Yes, it was a failure by design. when the Office of the Undersecretary Defence for Intelligence and security got involved being the home to, as it was known, before it became the Arrow as A-O-I-M-S-G, you know, people were telling me, you know, people who knew what the situation was

were telling me that it would be a death by a thousand cuts. and Chris Malam, Lou Anandre, we're all saying it should not go within OUSDINS, because that's the place where the ultimate resistances. And, you know, this is a place as well that it's supposed to be protecting some of the most sensitive special access programs. And at the same time, it's being told to be transparent about UAP. It's like, where do you land on that? So by design, it seems to have just been a failure. I think when it comes to OUSDINS, you've got to look at it.

And there's some interesting connections there. So Gary Reid, who was the guy that, you know, had been making Lou and Losolos's life of misery going after him. He seemed a really, really bad act when it came to UAP transparency. You know, he was kind of like, I think he was like the head or very, very senior in the executive committee of the AIMSG. And I mean, I think that tells you a lot. And then also you kind of like, look, who is one of the former acting leaders of, you know, who was the acting Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, who Gary Reid served under? Well, that was Todd Lowry. Where's Todd Lowry now?

He's at the CIA. he's the deputy director of science and technology. You've got these connections there, you know. And also, you know, we can say Congress created the arrow slash AIMSG. You can go down that road, but it was actually established by Kathleen Hicks. Mostly, that's where it kind of like was set up by, this body. And it was coming up just as Jilla Brand was trying to. to establish

something that she wanted to call Astro and all of a sudden it gets named AIMSG and yeah basically AIMSG was already there slash the arrow as it was now and then when the Gillibrand Amendment was kind of like finalised into law

the Department of War was basically working out okay how can we kind of like ensure that our new body that we've created is kind of like sticking by what Congress says in this new law. But one thing I would point out as well, you know, I recently interviewed Tim Phillips.

And I think it was a really, really interesting interview because basically he was telling me that there's stuff they can't explain space and, you know, the airspace and space itself that seemed to be beyond any known human system. and there were about 50 cases, and they couldn't explain it.

It wasn't adversary. It wasn't American tech. And Tim basically said they had the best people with the best knowledge when it comes to identify this, and he knew what they were talking about when it came to, you know, identifiable known systems. And he was just saying they couldn't work this out. It felt to me that he was, you know, he would obviously say we had no evidence of aliens, but if you wanted to tell me something was alien slash non-human

without telling me it was alien slash non-human. He went as far as he could. But I suppose it's one of those instances, like we don't know what it is. I mean, I think he was trying his best. And, you know, like I think they were just hamstrung. It's like by design, basically. You know, he also said because I asked about Diven Bawland,

because Dillen Boulland came to Arrow with three. three drawings, two of those drawings were classified. And they weren't classified by Arrow. They were classified by other agencies. So Arrow, Armstrong, by other classification guides. So, you know, CIA would have a classification guide, NGA would, NRO would. So basically, you know, Arrow would have to liaise with, you know,

the National Geospatial Intergence Agency or someone like that and say, look, I've been given this by a witness. Basically, one of those agencies could go up and say, well, actually, that's classified information. You don't need to know anymore. That's classified information. And that meant that those details could no longer be discussed, which I think is really, really interesting.

So, again, it's just hamstrung by design, you know? What a mess. I mean, honestly, what a mess. And it's supremely frustrating because here you have this, you know, office, this department that's created to do a job. And it's really in reality created to not do the job, but look like it's doing the job while not doing the job. It's ridiculous. How close do we, Chris, to moving past things like this? How far, or I should say, how close do you think we are, if at all, to moving away from this?

1950s style classification and threats and just ridiculousness where this is stuff that continues to happen playbook

right out of the 1950s. Yeah, I mean, if the situation is what I think it is, what I'm told it is, it can't go on for much longer because China may be making breakthroughs

in terms of a less engineering that I'll very alarming. The US may be seeing certain capabilities coming out of China, which do suggest that they're on the verge of making a breakthrough, we've already made a breakthrough, because from what I've been told,

China, Russia and other adversaries have the same craft. You know, they may have their own Tic Tacs that they've recovered and triangles and stuff like that. So they've already got that. So you're not really giving anything away by that, you know. The only thing that is really classified it should not be given up from what I've been told is the technology derived from reverse engineering.

That's the only stuff that should be kept absolutely classified. So you don't give kind of like heads up to your competition. Sure. Just real quick, I want to go back to what you said about your interview with Tim Phillips. You know, he talks about how they found these like 50 different anomalies that they couldn't explain other than we didn't create them. No one on earth created them. So you kind of make your conclusion from there. Unless I missed it, why wasn't that put out more by the department?

I mean, they just make that discovery. They understand that's the case and then they just don't tell anybody? Yes, so from my understanding, the acting head of Arrow has put that out when he had his hearing, I think two years ago with Jill O'Brien's committee. however he didn't put it in those words. Gotcha. But we've already got, we've already got this guy, Tim Phenets,

coming out and saying that, um, they've seen triangles, um, that they can't explain, fireballs, um, stuff like that,

basically, like fiery orbs, basically, they can't explain stuff that's, you know, hovering and goes immediately off. Stuff like that, basically,

but they, they really, really have a problem trying to explain. So yeah, we understand that is out there. But yeah, it should be a bigger deal. You know, it really, really should be a big deal. Because this is supposedly one of the chief skeptics coming out and saying that, you know, we got it in the daily mail, but it only makes a bigger splash, if you can make it a big splash, I suppose. So I thought it was a really, really big deal that someone like him was coming up to say that.

Yeah. So I think it's, yeah, I think it's a pretty good story. I would say so. I agree. But before we're done, just a general kind of idea based off of your experiences, maybe recently or even over the past few years, who are the good actors in this space behind the scenes that are willing, that want to help, that want to get the stuff out there?

And who are the bad actors that want to keep this stuff behind the scenes? And you can name names if you want, or go by departments, in power, out of power. They used to be in power. Who comes to mind when it comes to those two sides? Pro disclosure, anti-disclosure. Oh, it's so tough to tell. I mean, some people will tell you that James Clapper is a really bad guy. And others will say, well, he's trying the best he can.

It's really difficult. There's always these blurred lines and stuff. I try never to judge, you know. All I try to do is, like, my job is to look at information, try to corroborate information, and away information, whether it's good or bad. And I have to take everything into consideration. So that's what I'm trying to do.

And I think that the one element that hasn't really been discussed enough, when it comes to this stuff is the financial aspect hedge funds kind of like a shadow banking let's say and I think you know like someone of real high authority once told me over launch in London

to read Joseph Farrell which I think his book is like Secret Space Programs something along those lines and it's basically about how there's like breakaway civilizations and stuff that came back after World War II. The Nazis had an incredibly high-tech technology basically, and they had a really good counterfeiting operation as well, and it could just like create cash basically.

And from what Joseph Farrell was saying, that they form. one breakery civilization. The other one is kind of like an Anglo, kind of American breakaway civilization involved in banking and airspace. And then there's also like a Japanese element as well. And that came about through the gold that Joseph Ferrell says was discovered in China.

The Japanese were rampaging through China and they found more gold than was actually known to exist. So basically such gold has, you know, I think Danny Sheen has even touched on it. It was like found by the CIA and it's never been put on the books. Because if you certainly flooded the market with gold, it's, so basically it's about those break-race civilizations and how they kind of like are funding their own kind of like exotic tech based on UAP technology. Wow. And that's the real gain of it, basically. I'm really interested in that.

And you've kind of got really, really weird cases that Joseph Farrell gives, like, bearer bonds, for instance, you know? It's like these bonds are, like, worth, like, billions of dollars. Like, there's a case, I think you could look for it. I think it was 2012. There was, like, a case that Italy, two Japanese men bordered a train from Italy to Switzerland. and the Italian authorities arrested them

because they were found in a suitcase with bonds, US bonds, like worth billions, like hundreds of billions. Jeez. And what happened was that the US Secret Service investigated it, and then it's fine. they're like fortunate or something like that and it just kind of like

went away it was just like a really really weird case you know and I think you have to kind of like look at the wider picture you know where it comes to this

what really happened after the Second World War did the Nazis or someone make contact with a non-human species perhaps is that why project paper clip end until like you know like jo if kennedy took office which was when he closed down the office overseeing um paperclip um so you've got all these fears and i'm not saying that accurate i'm just saying

that i keep an open mind when it comes to this because i just find it really really interesting and you don't know what you don't know what's classified is classified for a reason yeah wow no absolutely you kind of just blew my mind there at the end here chris i mean do you think someone you know we talk about names like that like jp morgan chase the rockefellers or now nowadays like black rock are we talking like that type of level of money and influence yeah yeah it's strange i i remember like like i think it came you know when all the um um u s aid stuff came out and it was something about i think it was like scientific american or something i think that's how i got down this rabbit whole.

Scientific American, for example, the publishing company that owns Scientific American. It was a publisher that is German, and it came about, you know, throughout the Nazi years. I don't want to get myself in trouble or anything, but from my understanding, it was connected to Nazi materials being published. And it wasn't like these companies that were involved in the Nazis and stuff, were shut down and muted. after the war you know they're still going these countries are the industrialists and stuff like that so

i think you've got to look at like this kind of like area i think it's really re-interesting um to look at yeah yeah absolutely well i mean i've i've always said if there's questions follow the money um and i think you're absolutely onto something there uh christopher sharp this has been just fantastic again if you haven't read his stuff check out uh the liberate time, check out the work he's done with the Daily Mail. You do do a great job, buddy, and this has been amazing, and I do hope we can do it again soon. Thanks so much for spending all this time here today on UAP.

Absolutely, brother. Thank you so much for having me on. Well, thank you again to Chris for doing that. Truly thankful so much for his time. As usual, you know, I always go over the time a lot. And I always say, hey, let's go for like 45 minutes, and then we go for like an hour and a half. So I'm really happy that he was able to spend all that time,

especially given that he was four hours ahead of me. By the time we were done, it was like 11 p.m. his time, so he stayed up late to do that. So truly, truly appreciate it because I do think that was, and is going to prove to be a very useful conversation for this topic, for anybody who hears it, and hopefully spread it around because of everything that he lays out there. This is no joke. You know, you heard me say it during there. Sometimes people kind of look at this and say, oh, how funny, you know, it's so cute, green aliens, la, la, la. law. It's not a joke, like, at all. This is a serious thing that people allegedly have been killed over, allegedly have been, had their careers ruined, blackballed. This isn't like,

you know, a funny ha-ha thing. This is a serious topic with serious journalists like Christopher Sharp who are working tooth and nail to try to uncover these secrets, even if it comes to having to deal with harm to himself or threats to him or his family. As you heard us, in the beginning of the episode where we were talking about how his article all of a sudden permanently disappears

off the Daily Mail website how his email they've tried to hack into his email whoever that might be in the past even while we were talking someone was trying to hack into his email different threats that he's received

or different threats that he's been told about these are serious issues and I wanted to bring those to you here today just unreal to consider everything that we spoke about all the names all the inner workings how the system works, to keep things stagnant, entangled, in secret. It's all deliberate.

As you heard Chris say, when it comes to Arrow, it's a deliberate failure. It was designed with a purpose to fail. You have all of these fail safes in order to once you get somewhere that one other department will see to it that there's a trapdoor and you fall right back down. And one department confuses another. So that way you really can't get to the end of it. It's like a maze. It's a never-ending maze.

a labyrinth with no end on purpose. And that's why I call this the syndicate of secrecy, because that's what has been happening for 70 plus years, 80 plus years, really. If you want to keep going back in modern times, I mean, this has been going on for over 80 years. And it continues to happen. And they've perfected it, which is why it feels like sometimes we are running on a hamster wheel. And I don't mean to be negative. I don't mean to put everything down.

I know there's a lot of progress being made when it comes to. things like what Representative Burleson is doing, what Bert Chet is doing in Luna and what's happening in Congress and the different witnesses and whistleblowers who have come out. I'm not trying to take any of that away. I do believe that has been real progress to put this out further into the public psyche. But at the same time, you do still have these inner workings in the background that have perfected this machine of secrecy, that have perfected this machine that is, they have designed to make this fail in the end. and that's what we're up against. And as long as we continue to shine a light on that, sometimes at great risk,

and I completely accept the fact that maybe I'm putting myself at risk by continuing to dig in deeper and deeper into this. I fully admit, I am now deeper into this conversation than ever have been before when it comes to the government secrecy side. And I think about that. I'm not going to lie, but this stuff has to be put out there. We're just trying to shine a light on this,

so that way we can try to make a difference. difference in this conversation to maybe bring about some type of change. And hopefully this conversation here today with Christopher Sharp maybe does something like that. It was interesting there at the end to hear the good guys, the bad guys, you know, kind of some of the names, you know, quote unquote, good guys, bad guys, some of the names that come up and how China and Russia maybe because they're closer to breakthroughs, maybe that pushes us closer to some type of disclosure. I hadn't looked at it that way.

So it was interesting to hear Chris present that kind of side to things. And of course, all the other names and scenarios that we went through when it comes to like Peter Thiel. I never thought about that and how much money. Of course, money and power. Yes, I've voiced that and how that takes into effect disclosure in the conversation of why things might be kept secret. But how much money actually plays into this maybe to try to keep secrets or buy people off or trying to buy secrets or break away civilizations as. Chris brought up there at the end. Never consider that. I mean, like, you know, how there might be, maybe that's part of the big secret that there was like post-World War II breakaway civilizations with like this advanced technology. That was one thing for sure that I'm taking away from this. And there's a lot of takeaways. And I hope you have your own. I'm sure you do. But like I said too, you know, it's a case of going back to the money. Kind of follow the money. Right. Where does the money lead? Who has the money? Who's pushing what narrative? Who's. Who's. pulling strings behind the scenes and make no mistake about it. It's not a conspiracy theory

that there is this bureaucracy that runs rampant, you know, causing underlings to kind of run the show underneath the nose of leaders like Tulsi Gabbard. We didn't get to talk about her during the show, but I asked Chris afterward once we were done recording, we actually kept talking and Tulsi Gabbard came up in our conversation once we were done. And he said that's a perfect example. She's somebody who, in his estimation, is trying to do something. But you have these underlings, just like in Congress, just like in the Senate, just like below the president, who are really running the show in the three-letter agencies and in the intelligence agencies and in the presidential administration. It's like these lower staff members, not like, you know, mailroom guys, but people who position themselves or who are positioned as deputy director this, deputy director, that, assistant to this, those types of titles. And according to what Chris has found, and it makes sense to me, those are the ones who are kind of key.

these things under wraps and they do it under the noses of the leaders of agencies and departments and even the president. Again, that's what we're dealing with. That's the cabal. That's the syndicate of secrecy that I'm talking about. But with all that said and with some of the sobering facts and details that were put forth here today, I will say this. I always try to end on a good note.

I'm an eternal optimist and maybe even sometimes admittedly naive. But I still have to think and say that there are good people. behind the scenes in government in front of the mic, in front of the camera, whatever you want to say, and that want to make a difference, a good difference, that want to push this forward. There are good people who want to do that,

and we've seen that. I think we know who some of those people are, and all I can say on my part is that I'm going to continue to try to push this forward. I'm going to try to continue to point out the good and the bad. What are we dealing with? Who are we dealing with? And what is the origin of this top? topic to begin with, right? What causes the big secret? It has to be more than just we aren't

alone. What else is going on? I'm going to continue to push, and I hope that you will be here for it as I continue to do that, because we are not done. Coming up next year on UAP, well, we're done here for today. But another push, another heavy topic actually, but an important one, the disappearances. I brought it up there with Chris at the start of the conversation today, and I'm really going to do a deep dive on it coming up with Ryan Sprague from the Somewhere in the Skies podcast. He's done a great job on his podcast on his show, Somewhere in the Skies for a long time. And, you know, it's funny. Like when you have your own show, you kind of like follow the other person.

You kind of keep up on what they're doing. Ryan is one of those guys that I've always kind of, you know, kept an eye on to see what he's doing. He's someone who I know has had a big voice in this community for a while. And when I saw that, he did an episode specifically coming. the disappearances of someone like General McCasland and some of the others who have been killed or disappeared within the past year, who are directly connected to the UFO topic within military and government. It's become a big topic in mainstream media even. When I saw that Ryan did an episode on that, he really did a thorough investigation on these cases.

I thought to myself, there is my guy. I've been wanting to really dig into this topic and try to get answers to those questions. and Ryan is someone who I'm looking forward to talking to on that topic, and we're going to do that on the next episode of UAP. And so much more to come up too, trust me, there was a lot working behind the scenes, more than I can say right now, and I'm not just saying that there really is,

and I look forward to being able to reveal some things that are going on behind the scenes, hopefully soon, but I'll keep you updated. So don't miss a thing. Continue to subscribe and download the show wherever you get your podcast. We're going to keep going here as much as we can. just search UAP literally on any of the major streaming platforms. Just search UAP wherever you get a podcast and follow along on social media at UAP Podcast 850 on the social media channels as well.

And on YouTube, just search UAP podcast and it should come up. But on that note, this has been quite the adventure here today and I really hope you took something away from it. Like I said, we're going to keep going. So until next time, thank you all again for everything. And for all the support for always coming back. It really does mean the world. You have no idea. So until next time, it's Stephen Dean here saying be well. Thanks so much.

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