UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - EP 216 Rebutting the Alien Arguments of JD Vance

Episode Date: July 20, 2026

Vice President JD Vance recently appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast and had a lot to say about the UFO topic. Stephen Diener breaks it down and gives his unfiltered reaction to the Vance's comments. Spoiler alert, he gets really heated in this one...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, here we go. I need this. I need to talk to you guys about UAP. Stephen Dean are back with you here as always on the Unidentified Alien podcast for episode number 216. And this is something that I've been trying to put together for the past few days. A little delay on my end, but I'm happy to be able to kind of get this one off my chest here today because we're going to talk about something that took place, like I said, a few days ago as of right now,

as of recording this, was the interview that Vice President J.D. Vans has. on the Joe Rogan show. And of course, they spoke about a lot of things. But inevitably, Joe Rogan is, of course, going to bring up the UFO topic. And, of course, he's going to do that with someone like J.D. Vance, not only because he's the vice president, but because he is someone who is self-proclaimed, fascinated, and obsessed with the topic. So why would you not bring it up, especially in today's current climate where the government

is so involved with this discussion? So this is just you and I here today. I want to go over some of the things that were said on this episode of Joe Rogan with J.D. Vance and kind of just pick it apart a little bit because my initial reactions here. And again, I apologize if this is old news, if you've seen a lot of this already or heard a lot of this already, this is something that I wanted to do a few days ago, like I said, but some things have delayed me on my end. But I thought it was still worthy enough to put out here today because I did have a lot of thoughts on this. And it was something that really struck me.

actually a lot of things really struck me. We're going to go through those here from this interview, because overall, I will say this as a little bit of a preview of my thoughts. I feel like J.D. Vance is frighteningly misguided and misinformed on this subject. For someone who is, again, self-proclaimed, fascinated, and obsessed with this topic, I cannot believe how many things that he's just flat out misinformed about. And everybody's free to their opinion. But when you're so easily picked apart by the things that you're saying, it really should give him pause, I hope, to go back and maybe look at some of these things when he decides to really dig into this subject.

And also just a quick disclaimer, which, gosh, I hate doing because of the political climate and how crazy people go one way or the other over this administration. I want to say, frustratingly, I want to say that this is in no way a political discourse, okay? Let me just put that out there. This is no way an endorsement or a scathing rebuke of this administration. I'm just talking about the subject and what the vice president had to say about it. Okay, so let's just get that garbage out of the way right away. I don't want to see the emails and the messages of one way or the other. And yes, I'm frustrated because I'm tired of that garbage.

So let's just put that out there. All right. Now, getting into it, starting with his revelation about he actually spoke with David Grush. No one's mentioned that before. David Grush has never mentioned as far as my knowledge is concerned. Memory serves me right. I don't think he's mentioned anything about speaking to the vice president about this. But Vance volunteered that information.

when he started off by saying this with Joe Rogan. So I've talked today before, I think I called him actually after he was on your podcast. There's like the crash retrieval stuff of whether that's real or not. Where is it, et cetera? There's the videos, right? There are all of these videos, some of which have been released and declassified that seem to me show some pretty weird stuff. And then there might be other pieces of evidence as well. I'm not saying there is or is and I just don't know.

I try to keep an open mind about this stuff. All I'm saying is I'm fascinated by it. I don't have like some secret sauce, at least not yet, that tells me what's true and what's false. I'm just saying this is something that I'm interested in. But it doesn't, it's because it's like anything in life where do I have to figure this out this week? No. All right. So that goes back to the priority question, right?

And I think that's where a lot of his, I guess, lack of knowledge concerning the subject. and you'll hear some of that in the arguments. You know what, to be fair, maybe you'll agree with some of his arguments. And if that's the case, then by all means, my view, like I said, to start off here, is he's frighteningly misguided and misinformed. But you are obviously free to have your own take. But a couple of things that I picked up on there. Number one, again, he spoke to Grush.

You openly admits that and says that he's open-minded about some of the videos and some of the evidence out there concerning crash retrievals or biologics, which we'll get to, especially both of those things coming up here in a minute. But also mentions that even though he's open-minded about it, obviously you can hear in his voice. He's not convinced about any of these things even after speaking directly with Grush, where he says he calls him, or he called him, after listening to Grush on Rogan's podcast when Grush was a guest on there with Joe Rogan.

But overall, the thing that I take away from that, that piece there is you can obviously tell this is not a priority. It's kind of like where, I don't know, just to use an analogy in our own everyday life, you might be interested in, I don't know, fantasy football, okay? Maybe you're interested in fantasy football. But you've never done it before and you just think it's kind of fun and you've heard about it. Your friends do it. And then you say, yeah, maybe I'll look into that and get into that. But, you know, first I have to kind of look at my kids going to school. How am I going to pay for school? I'm how am I going to pay for their lunches?

How am I going to pay for their uniforms? It's not a priority, right? You might like it. You might think it's going to be fun. Your friends ask you to get into a fantasy football league, but it's not a priority to you so you don't spend a lot of time on it. That's what this kind of reminds me of here with, of course, that's a more simple, you know, scale. But when it comes to what the vice president is saying,

we all have those things in life, which he alluded to, we all have those things in life where you might be interested in something. You might want to get down to it. You might want to find out the end. answers, but it's just not at the top of your list. And he went on to say, you know, I have to deal with things like the Iranian War. I have to deal with things like trying to get bills passed, you know, working with topics and agenda within the Trump administration. Those are the things that he is concerned about outwardly and at the top of his list, which he mentioned during the course of that

interview. And it's understandable. Okay, I get it. He's the vice president of the United States. If it's important enough to you, you're going to put it up. the top of your list. If you think I can get to this another time when maybe some things are cleared off that are more pressing, then maybe I'll do that down the road. And that's where this is for J.D. Vance. And what that means going forward, I guess

remains to be seen. Obviously, it's not something that he's poking the president about, saying, hey, when are we going to talk about this? Hey, when are we going to talk about this? Obviously, that is not happening. And so if that, you talk about ripple effects from a statement like that, that would probably be the

most glaring one to me. But what about some of the other things he mentioned, kind of alluded to there even in the first piece, which is when he spoke to Grush. He remains open-minded about a lot of things, but also he remains skeptical. And he goes into that part here talking about the crash retrievals, the biologics, the things that have been the biggest claims from David Grush. He says he spoke to him about those things. And he was very skeptical during the conversation. Again, very revealing a lot of us hearing this for the first time that these conversations. conversations took place. And this is the part, there's actually a couple of parts, but this one really

got me going when I heard this because there's just, this is so easy to explain and refute that I have so much to say when it comes to J.D. Vance's statement right here. So take a listen to here right now as he was talking about his phone call with David Grush and what they spoke about and his reaction to it. Boy, is it, well, here you go. Look, we've got remains of space aliens and hiding them, then there are a million other sort of there are a million possibilities for that. What would explain it, how it would have happened. I am skeptical that's true. And the reason I'm skeptical that it's true that we have the physical remains is not because I don't think that's something like as

physically possible or that the government, like the government's willing to do and able to do a lot of a lot of crazy stuff in our history and the history of all governments. I am skeptical of the competence. I actually made this point to Dave when we talked. I think he's a very interesting guy. So I don't mean to insult him or say I disagree with him about everything. But I made this point today of when we talked, it's like, if we have literal space alien remains in the custody of the United States government, there is no way that that wouldn't get leaked. That wouldn't leak out in some way. All right. So a lot to touch on there. Let's go ahead and start with just how things work, you know, talking about that this wouldn't

be able to stay a secret, right? How could this not be leaked? Well, let's look at some things just in, you know, recent history outside of the UAP topic. Look at all the things that have been kept secret within the government. Look at all the questions that people still ask about that we don't know the truth about. And again, it doesn't have to be the UFO topic. You can talk about any conspiracy or any question or assassination or assassination at whatever you want to say, there's obviously still questions concerning a lot of different topics

and people saying that the government is lying about it. You pick one in your own head. Okay? There's plenty to choose from. So to act like this is the only thing, like to have that type of tunnel vision on this, to say that there's no way that we would be able to keep this secret for so long. Yeah, yeah, actually there is. Because there's a little something called compartmentalization.

and that is something where you have different agencies and different people, bureaucrats, who have been in charge for decades, in most cases, probably longer than J.D. Vance has even been alive because he and I are around the same age. He's in his 40s. I think I'm a little bit younger than him at 40. And so there are people literally who have been working on this topic for longer than he and I have been alive. Think about that. And that really comes in play here when it comes to J.D. Vance's, you know, how naive he is on this topic to think, oh, well, you know, there's no way they would be able to keep it a secret.

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They are the people who say, we're not going to tell the elected officials things because just that. They're elected officials, meaning they're only going to be around for so long. In J.D. Vance's case, they don't know his future. They know he's got a couple more years left of being vice president. We can only assume that he's going to run for president in 2028. Maybe he becomes president.

Maybe he has a two-term president. So let's just extrapolate that out. If we go with four years as vice president and a two-term president, and this is how the bureaucrats would have to think, then they're thinking to themselves, okay, so we would deal with this guy for 12 years. at the most 12 years. That's nothing to them. They've kept this a secret for 80 years, maybe even more.

We can go back to the Magenta case in 1933. You know, the story's out of there that David Grush has spoken about when it comes to how that was compartmentalized between the U.S., the Vatican, and Italy, and the Italian government under Mussolini at the time. So this isn't very difficult. I mean, I'm sure he's seen, you know, different compartmentalization when it comes to top secret information regarding the war or regarding the economy. Who knows? I mean, he's right in on a lot of different things as vice president.

And those things stay secret, right? So it's actually not out of the question. And furthermore, to his point, and again, you know what? I said this before and it's worth mentioning it again, maybe you actually agree with what he's saying you disagree with what I'm saying. you disagree with what I'm saying. Totally fine. If you thought I'm in the wrong here, by all means, you don't have to agree with me, just like I don't have to agree with Vance's take on this, which is why I'm giving you my take.

And you're free to agree with whichever one you'd like. Maybe it's a little bit of both. But I'll give another example as to how, why I think he's so misinformed here and why I think he's so misguided here. He talks about, well, you know, it would have been leaked by now. Mr. Vice President, I regret to inform you that it has been leaked. many times over by many different witnesses and whistleblowers throughout the history of just the United States. If we're just breaking it down to the United States, not the UK, not Australia, not Africa, not South America. We can go to those places and talk about how these things have been spoken about for decades.

We can do that. But since we're just talking about the vice president of the United States, we'll just keep it to the United States to keep it clean here. How about someone like Bob Salas? How about all the whistleblowers from over the past? How about anybody within government that has come out to talk about this? Lou Elizando, Christopher Sharp, or I'm sorry, that's from, he's a journalist, Christopher Mellon. I mean, these are people, just in recent history, if we ought to go with recency bias, if we want to go even further back, someone like Philip Corso, where he was witness to Roswell.

Gosh, my gosh, this isn't difficult. This isn't difficult. When he says that he's fascinated, yeah, I'm fired up and I'm sorry if it's off-putting, but this really gets to me. If he says he's fascinated and obsessed with the topic, then at least get some basic information about it. What he should say is that he's fascinated with the idea of the conversation. I'm obsessed and fascinated by the topic. That's why I've done years of investigation and years of conversation and years of conversation. conversations about this.

There's just five years of UAP to look at. I was doing this at my own time 10 years before I started UAP. So we're talking 15 years of work just for me because I was fascinated by the topic, which led me to dig into it and listen to the people who have investigated, listen to the people who say there are witnesses and have been in the programs. My gosh. I mean, they've had multiple hearings. in D.C.

with people talking under oath, including David Grush. Mr. Vice President, have they gone to jail or been brought in for contempt under Congress? No, they have not. Because there have been no,

there's been no evidence of them lying under oath to Congress. So, to your point, sir, this has been leaked many times over. And if we're just going within the past 10 years, then we can talk about the names I've mentioned.

mentioned, Lou Elizondo, Christopher Mellon, think of them whatever the hell you want. But the fact of the matter is they have come out to talk about stuff. And they have, at least in Elizondo's case, testified under Congress, under oath in front of Congress. And then, of course, you have David Grush, who he was on the phone with. He's on the phone with the guy who worked in government and who leaked the information. But then he's going to come out and say, and this is the irony of this. That makes me insane. Then he's going to come out and say, well, it would have been leaked by now.

It was leaked. And you spoke to the guy who leaked it. It's not hard. You spoke to the guy who leaked it. To disprove your own point, it has been leaked. And it's been done under oath in front of Congress in front of the entire planet. When David Grush said that he has information of people who leaked it to him, that we have biologics and crash retrievals.

This isn't new. This isn't hard. And so that makes me crazy to hear the vice president of the United States say that. And quite frankly, it's concerning because that tells me that we are light years, light years away from this being taken seriously within the administration. Case in point, the president himself. Donald J. Trump has said, it's not really my thing. That's a direct quote. So I also, I hate to break it to you, and this has been a point of contention, and I've been left wondering myself.

Just a simple question, is he actually going to give a speech? You know, I had Mark Christopher Leon here, who since has just been proven to be an absolute crackpot. I'm sorry to say it. Sorry, Mark. It's wild. And I might seem out of character today. And that's just because, I don't know, maybe because of the overall mood that I'm in when it comes to this and just some other things. you can't come out and say it especially on here when I bring you on to my show and you come on here confidently to say that the president is going to have a speech on July 8th to say that aliens are real.

Well, as I record this, ladies and gentlemen, it's July 20th. Did you see the speech? I didn't either. You know why? Because it's not going to happen. Again, this is nothing to do with politics. This is my read on the current situation and the administration and the topic. surrounding it. This is not a priority, as you heard, from the vice president himself, and this is not a

priority to the president of the United States. They are concerned with, and possibly rightfully so, they are concerned with international and domestic affairs. This is not something that is on the top of their list. We can talk all day, and I will. I will continue to cover it. You know, maybe this will be. We can have the pipe dream. Maybe this will be something that he's going to mention one day. If he does mention it one day, it's not going to be because he finds it the most important thing. It's going to be because he has people around him who have convinced him to do it to say, okay, you know what, Mr. President, it's time and here's why. Here's the reasons. XYZ.

And maybe that's Stephen Miller. Maybe that's Eric Burleson, who I hope to talk to here soon and I'll bring these things up. If and when I get to speak to the congressman here soon. And other members of Congress, I know they're working their butts off. And that doesn't change the fact that they are working their butts off. And they do take this topic seriously. They do. But when you have an administration who doesn't have this at the top of the priority list,

it's kind of hard to get things, you know, get the ball rolling. I'm sorry to be so negative, but that's just a fact because we heard it. I mean, let's stop kidding ourselves. This is not something that's imminent. There is no speech planned to come out any day now. It's just not true. Now, does that mean that it may never happen? No.

again time will tell what type of events will lead the administration and the president and the vice president to maybe take this seriously enough to say okay you know what let's look into this more and if if there is something there that we deem worthy of telling you people about then maybe we will i'm not saying this never going to happen i'm just telling you the the hard cold truth here which is it's not a priority to them so don't expect it anytime soon that's are the facts. I'm going to need to take a breath here at some point or, I don't know, a cold shower, a shot of whiskey, I don't know, something.

But to continue here, Vance goes on about, oh, gosh, oh, geez, if you thought it was fired up there, just wait for this next one. Aliens or demons? Here you go. If you look historically at, you know, things that are similar to the alien phenomenon, where, oh, some like strange being, it kind of looks like a human being, but doesn't look like, but it's not human. And it shows a particular interest in human beings. And then it takes the human beings and, you know, like does weird experiments on them.

I think my argument is you're either talking to a crazy person, which I don't like, I'm not saying just because I believe in the supernatural doesn't believe me and I believe in everything supernatural. But if we're talking about an extraterrestrial being that is human-like but not human that contains effectively infinite powers and is torturing human beings, you can call it an alien if you want, but I think there's a lot of historical precedent to call that a demon. Well, okay. So I understand what he's trying to say there as far as, you know, a higher entity, a higher power entity, a high, intelligence, torturing humans, no regard for life. Yes. Sure. That's called demonic possession.

It's a real thing. And that's why exorcists exist within the Catholic Church. And that's why they've been around for, you know, thousands of years. And why they continue to go do work every single day. You don't see it on the news. You don't hear it reported. But actually, exorcisms are up quite a bit over the past few years. that's probably a little bit concerning.

So I understand what J.D. Vance is trying to say there. But again, it comes from a very narrow point of view. And it makes me think of two questions. Number one, if we're going with aliens or demons, well, obviously, demons go back to the beginning of time, right? If you go back to your Sunday school teachings, then we're talking about the fallen angels, the battle between good and evil.

the devil is there in hell with his demons and there you go. Right, case closed. Well, that's been a thing for we don't even know how long, okay, for going back to the beginning of the eons, okay, in the beginning of time. We have no idea how to even measure that. So unless demons, you know, made UFOs at the fall, at the battle of good and evil, I don't remember in my Sunday school hearing about St. Michael the Archangel

fighting UFOs. I remember the stories about him fighting the devil and casting him into hell. I remember that part. But it's just slipping my mind the part about St. Michael the Archangel battling UFOs. I just I don't remember that part. My point here is in my sarcasm

is if we're talking about demons being aliens. Why the hell would they need some type of advanced craft to get around? Because they don't. As far as I know, and I know I'm being facetious here and I apologize, but as far as I know in the cases of exorcism that I've studied, I don't remember hearing about craft landing in somebody's backyard from the exorcist who performed the right of el of exorcism.

Sorry, those things aren't happening. Demons wouldn't need a craft to get around. They wouldn't need what we deem as advanced technology to affect us. These are entities beyond our understanding when it comes to demons and the devil himself. It is beyond our comprehension.

So when we talk about, you know, advanced technology and abductees saying that they remember being on craft, I mean, if you want to, you know, try to throw that out there and say, well, those are all just visions put in the head by a demon to make them think something else. I don't know. You can theorize about that, I guess. Maybe if that's the way they work. but to just simply put that in there from J.D. Vance, who is a Catholic, by the way, as am I, as is David Grush. By the way, this is something that is spoken a lot about in the Catholic Church. In fact, there's a new documentary coming out that looks really interesting, and I'd love to talk to the director of it. I'm going to try to reach out to him, actually, so maybe that's something that'll happen in the future.

This is documentary called Not of This World, Catholic Faith in the Age of Disclosure, and that's relevant to me. right now because we're talking about myself who's espousing my opinions the vice president who's Catholic and the guy who said that he spoke to in David Grush, okay? Which is why I bring it up because I think that's important to highlight in the worldview that is being spoken about here. Hey guys, we'll get back to that in just a second,

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Now, have there been reports? Yes, I've spoken about it, actually, of demons presenting as aliens. Yes. Yes, that has happened. And for reasons unknown, I don't know why those reports exist, but they do exist from exorcists who have done exorcisms, where they say that the demon presents as a gray alien from time to time. I don't know why that is. But if we're talking about just overall, the overall conference.

the overall argument that it's all demons, historically speaking, as J.D. Van said, no, I'm sorry, that doesn't make sense. And for some of the reasons that I mentioned, I'm sure there's a million other things that I could say, but I don't want to go off on this too much because it just becomes a little monotonous. That's all. But, you know, there is actually one more thing I want to say about this. There was another point that I felt was important to mention. But I'm going to save it.

I'm going to save it for this final clip. This was the last clip that I wanted to play from the interview with J.D. Vance. And I guess this will be the last one that I tear apart here from his opinions on this entire thing during his interview with Joe Rogan. This could be fake. That's a possibility. But if it's real, is there really a meaningful difference between an angel or a demon and a space alien with super technology? I just, to our perception, they would largely just look like the same thing. So let's make a comparison.

If animals could talk, if animals could verbalize their emotions and the thoughts that go through their head, when humans, who obviously look different than them, if a bear or a, I don't, I don't know, a tiger, an alligator, something in the wild that is tracked and tagged. A flamingo, for goodness sakes. If they could put out verbalize their emotions and their thoughts, they would probably have some pretty funky things to say about us because they would look at us as this advanced technology, these advanced beings. Oh my gosh, these are demons.

that are doing this to us? Well, no, we're humans. So my overall point is, if we can't understand what is happening, just like, you know, a mouse wouldn't be able to understand why they're being injected with some random disease in a lab experiment or why a chimpanzee has a hard time understanding, you know, why he's being experimented on.

Well, those are things that humans do. And those are things that other beings do to humans. and just like they have a hard time understanding who or why this is happening or who is doing it and why it's happening, we would have the same experience with other beings. And we would try to break it down to terms that we could easily understand, which we would fall back on our faith, our religion, angels and demons. Well, it's got to be one of those things. And by the way, this is a prevailing thought by a lot of people within deities.

see. Again, maybe it makes sense to you. Maybe it's the answer to you. To me, personally, it drives me crazy because there are obvious differences when you go back and look at the accounts of who J.D. Vance calls crazy people, which again, thanks for ramping up the stigma there, Mr. Vice President. Love that. Love that. Calling abductees, either they're crazy people or it's BS, which he also did say, but I cut that part out. It's either crazy people or BS, or it's just a demonic possession. So, again, a very narrow worldview. The Vice President's thoughts on this do not help this conversation whatsoever.

In fact, his thoughts on it probably keep it into the Stone Age, if anything, is my viewpoint on this, which is unfortunate, because it goes back to, will Trump disclose? Will Trump have that speech? You know my thoughts on this by now. No, he's not going to. At least at the moment. Again, I hate to put a definite on that because you never know what happens in the future.

I know Eric Burleson is trying to talk with Stephen Miller to get in the president's ear about this and try to have more conversations regarding it. Maybe have some type of amnesty for whistleblowers so more guys can come out and talk about it. Like, there's a lot of things still happening behind the scenes. But at the same time, you still have the administration

giving their stamp of approval to release UFO files through the Department of War. So if you have the Vice President coming out and saying that, yeah, you know, I keep it open mind to it, but I'm still skeptical. But then you still have all these videos coming out

and all these files coming out. It's just wild to me. And it's frustrating. More than anything, it's frustrating. Because it's such, to me, it's such an archaic way of thinking. And it's a narrow-minded, it's a close-minded, it's a misguided, and, like I said at the start,

frighteningly misguided and misinformed way of thinking by the vice president. And I apologize for tearing him apart today and tearing his viewpoints apart. Again, this is in no way a political stump by any means. Like I said at the start, I'm just talking about his views on this topic. And what really bothered me was it came his views, and this is how it came across to me when I was listening to him talk about this. And by the way, this isn't just like, you know, fly off the handle, Stephen Deiner reaction to J.D. Vance being on Joe Rogan.

I listened to these clips over and over and over again to really formula, kind of like, formulaize my opinions here and my thoughts. So I very carefully crafted this because I didn't want to fly off the handle, even though it sounds like I might be doing that. But one thing that kind of struck me, too, was there was a certain amount of hubris attached to

the way is kind of, you know, the way he's so naive about it all. Like, you're so naive about the topic and your arguments are elementary, but then you have a hubris attached to it. Like, yeah, you know, I'm right about it. This is pretty easily explainable in my book.

I'm sorry. It just, it was such a turnoff and a disappointment with how this is being looked at within the administration. And I hope that this is something that can change. That's my hope. And yeah, I went hard on this today. Again, if that was surprising or off-putting, then I apologize. But I'm not holding back.

I'm tired of holding back, quite frankly. And this is my way of saying that. So with that said, I guess just to kind of wrap this up, wrap this one up here today. and I'll give you a preview of what is to come here on UAP. A couple of conversations coming up on the interview front, but I really did want to kind of get this off my chest here today. I thought it was important to cover this interview and react to it, and well, just try to make sense of it all.

But with that said, I guess my overall arching theme here is that Vance can't hang when it comes to this conversation. He needs to brush up. And I guess when it does become a priority for him, him at some point when maybe, you know, these other things that are going on in the world are handled at some point, then maybe it does become a priority and he can look at it and say, oh, well, I don't know about the whole demons and angels thing because we have reptilians, we have Nordics, we have Arcturians, we have Palladians, we have grays, we have all these,

I mean, there's just so many things that we can look at and say, well, how do we boil this all down to just angels and demons. And the way it seems to me is obviously these are two separate things. I think you can understand my point of view. My argument, when it comes to angels and demons versus aliens, what we consider non-human beings, there's a lot of differences that would show that there are differences between, you know, angelic or demonic entities versus other intelligent beings. To me, there is a lot of clear differences, and maybe those will be seen one day.

by not only Vance, but a lot of other people who are in his camp with this argument as well. I mean, we can just look at, you know, crash retrievals and bodies being recovered. Would demons have dead bodies set a crash retrieval? But I guess that's neither here nor there, right? That said, coming up here on UAP, some pretty interesting conversations, actually. I still do have a plan to speak with Congressman Eric Burleson. I know I said at the end of episode 215 that that that was. was the plan. But like I said, I cautioned that that would possibly not be the case because of

how volatile schedules are for congressmen and women. So, of course, that is something I'm still working on. Actually, it was very last minute, unfortunately, where we had to cancel last week, which led me to do this episode instead. So that's something that's, we're still, we're still planning on doing. Hopefully this week, I can sit down with Congressman Eric Burleson and discuss a lot of these things, amongst many other things that he has on his plate and things that he's discussed in the past. So I'm looking forward to that, and hopefully I can bring that to you soon as well. And then I'll be talking with someone named Christopher Noel, who is a trained philosopher out of Yale, and somebody who has taken this topic very seriously, but

takes it from a different perspective, which I thought was really interesting. Believe it or not, it gets into things like seances and making tables flow. and bending spoons. I know that sounds kind of silly and, you know, kind of like woo-woo, parlor tricks. What are you talking about? Making tables float and seances. But there's a point to it, and I promise you, it's a different perspective that if I deemed it worthy to present here on UAP, then I think you're going to like it. It really made me think like, wow, okay, maybe there's, when it comes to propulsion and controlling the craft and things like that, it was pretty interesting, actually very interesting.

and it gave me some new ideas when I got to speak to him. So Christopher Noel on that subject, Eric Burleson on everything that we've been talking about and much more. So a lot of good stuff here coming up on UAP in the future. So make sure you are continuing to subscribe to and download the show wherever you get your podcast and all the major streaming platforms. Just search UAP. We're there. We're hanging out and I'm going to keep going as long as you'll have me.

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at gmail.com. You can do that as well. So I'm sure there's a lot to say from. this. Maybe you agree or disagree on some of it and that's okay. That's why I wanted to put out my thoughts on it. So like I said, continue to follow along and can't wait to come back again soon for the next one. You never know what UAP is going to bring. So thank you all again for everything and for all of the support for coming back because they wouldn't be here without you. So thank you. So until next time, it's Stephen Dean here saying be well. Thanks so much. Talk again soon right

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