UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 101 The Plasma Orb Connection

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

Stephen Diener welcomes Scott Roder back to the show to discuss what renowned scientist, Avi Loeb had to say to him about plasma orbs and how the technology behind them could answer a lot of our questions surrounding UFOs. And, Stephen also gives some new inside information on the Matthew Livelsberger email that had everyone up in arms. Is China really using anti gravity tech? This is a loaded episode to start of 2025!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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episode and a new year. And boy, do we have a lot to talk about it. It's already been a crazy year and it's only the first six days of 2025. So happy new year. Hopefully everybody enjoyed their holiday season and it was definitely a nice little break. You know, you recharge some things, take some notes, notice some things going

on around you. And I'm ready and Aaron to go here to start off the new year on UAP for episode 101 as we continue these UAP adventures. And to start off the new year here today, I'm going to present an interview I did with the one, the only Scott Roter. You know him, of course, the crime scene reconstruction expert who became quite infamous, famous, known. I guess what if you want to say for his work on the Las Vegas aliens case with the family

out of Las Vegas that, of course, had the eight-foot aliens reportedly in their backyard, and I don't need to go into detail about it. You know about it. And he's been on the show with me a bunch of times going over the case, and we did case closed just a few months back. But he texted me over the holidays and said, hey, Stephen, I got some stuff that I need to talk to you about. What do you think we record a show together?

I said, sure. So we actually did this last week or so, while it was still. on a little holiday vacation there and did it from home, you know, just popped him on the computer there and said, all right, let's do this. And so I'll present it on the new episode to start off the new year here today. So just back into the studio over the past few days and got to working on this episode and now happy to finally present to you, episode 101 with myself and Scott Rotter. And it's not all the Las Vegas case. Now, we do end up talking about that a little bit in the beginning, just to kind of, you know, go on some of the loose ends and dive back in a little bit

to some of the details that still have questions in them. You also hear us mention ancient aliens, a little tease there, so keep an ear out for ancient aliens and what that means. Pretty, exciting there, so keeping out for that. But one of the main points of this interview was to discuss what Scott had discovered while speaking with Avi Loeb. So you're going to hear from Avi Loeb on this episode. I've always personally wanted to have Avi Loeb on as a guest. Scott was able to do that before me, so at least he was kind enough to bring some of his interview with Avi Loeb, and it's really fascinating stuff. I mean, Avi is just an incredible person to listen to. We talk a lot about orbs and plasma, how it all connects, plasmoids, plasma orbs. It's all kind of heady, but man,

is it really interesting, and how it might connect to something even like the Tick-Tac from 20 years ago. and all these orb sightings around the country. And one in particular that happened in Nashville a couple weeks ago, where Scott showed a video to Avilob, and they talked about that. We described the video in this episode. Now, obviously, it's not a visual thing listening to the episode. So I'm going to try to dig that video back up and put it out on social media and maybe even upload it to YouTube.

So that way you can see the video if you hadn't seen it, this some type of plasma orb. I mean, it was like oscillating, it was vibrating. Oh, it was very strange, the movements it was making in this video. And that's something that Scott talks about, introduces to Avi Lobin. Scott and I kind of expounded upon that during this interview as well. So it's very interesting stuff. I'm looking forward to you hearing it when it comes to these orbs, the plasma orbs,

and what Avi Lobo had to stay here and how this interview went with myself and Scott. and how also how it all connects to MH370. Yes, that's right, the old case there with Ashton Forbes. And keep Ashton in mind because I may be speaking to him here pretty soon on UAP. Ashton and I might be getting back together here pretty soon for a new episode. So that would be a lot of fun. So a lot of things look forward to here, including this interview. I won't give away anything else.

Just a little bit of what to expect as you listen to myself and Scott Roder to start off this new year on UAP for episode 101. Stick around for the end after we're done talking. I'm going to come back, wrap things up, and get into a little bit of what was going on over the weekend. Very different from what we're talking about here in this interview because Scott and I recorded this interview before the new year. So the Matthew Livelsberger situation had not taken place yet. I want to point that out. That's really important to point out when it comes to timing of this.

When you listen to this, you're going to say to yourself, why aren't they talking about the Matthew Liversberger? email that Sean Ryan had on his show and all the things he talked about with anti-gravity tech. How could you guys not talk about that? Well, to be fair, this interview was done before that happened. So this is going to stand alone what Scott and I talk about here during this interview. But then I'm going to come on after that and wrap things up and discuss what was in that email from Matthew Littlesberger because I was able to gather a lot of information over the weekend from sources who know about these things. and I presented a lot of that on Twitter over the weekend. Did it at Twitter spaces, put a lot of that out.

But if you don't follow along on social media, specifically on Twitter at UA Podcast 850, then you missed out on that. So I want to present to you what I presented over the weekend on Twitter. I'll do that here at the end of the interview as we wrap things up. So kind of like a twofold episode. And the first part here is my interview here with Scott Roder. Really fascinating stuff talking about plasmoids.

plasma orbs, all these different things, and what Avi Loeb had to say about it as well, and some Vegas updates too. So here it is now, myself, Scott Roder, on this new episode of UAP. Enjoy. Scott, thanks for coming back on to UAP and for starting us off right here for 2025. Thanks, brother. I appreciate it. This is my favorite place to be other than in the crime scene time machine.

Just real quick piece of news, I became a grandfather for the second time. Yeah. And I wanted welcome to the world little Lewin Roder, as well as, of course, my first grandson, Mr. Dietrich Roder. I'm very proud grandpa. It gives me a purpose of my life. And I'll be bringing you all of my news bits today. And I'm dedicating it to my two grandsons. That's awesome.

And congratulations. I love that. Nice way to go into 2025. That's fantastic. As we start off then, we would be remiss if we didn't talk about the Las Vegas Hailing. just a little bit, just a little bit. A little bit. And I know you put together a little presentation, which you sent to me a couple days ago.

I loved it. I thought it was genius. So we thought, well, let's play it on the show here today. So I'll throw it over to you for that. All right. Great. So a little video that was put together in collaboration with, I'm going to give all the credit to Mr. James Quirk of the Quirk Zone and E.T. reality.

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footsteps running off in various directions. Next thing Angel knew, he was face to face with two eight to ten foot tall alien beings, one of which was able to momentarily paralyze the youth just by staring him in the eyes. Eventually, the two brothers escaped the yard and informed Mother Contra and Father Bobby of the high strangeness. The two brothers and father, armed with handguns, then attempted to enter the backyard to scare the intruders away or shoot them dead if necessary, while the mother filmed the action with her cell phone camera. Seconds upon entering the yard via a metal gate, one of the creatures emerged from the darkness and scared them back out.

Soon after this engagement with apparent beings from another world, Angel called 911 to report two tall alien creatures in his backyard. Nine feet, 10 foot, I don't know, they look like aliens. Big eyes. They have big eyes, like, like I can explain it. And big, I'm out. They're tiny eyes and they're not human. By the time police arrived, the creatures and craft were gone, and all that was left was a shocked and terrified family.

A subsequent analysis of the video by world-renowned crime scene reconstruction expert, Scott Roder, and his team determined that the one minute and 41-second long cell phone footage was authentic and untampered with. Furthermore, Roder and his team determined that there were tall alien creatures captured in the video and that they were using some type of cloaking technology to hide themselves from detection. Unfortunately for the aliens, but fortunately for us, that technology wasn't apparently up to par that night because we can see the faces of these weird critters appearing and disappearing throughout. This one here matches exactly an insectoid creature that abducted four young men in Maine's Alagash Wilderness in 1976. Further analysis of the video revealed that in addition to the tall creatures, there were short aliens present as well, including this little guy, who has come to be known as the undeniable. backbreaker or UB for short because his existence cannot be denied or debunked. Absolute proof. The brand where you can't go wrong and it's guaranteed, right Scott?

I guarantee it. So thanks to him for that. The reason I put that together like that with Jim was because, you know, people have a short attention span. That video is four minutes long and it really summarizes the, the, the, the, the, volume and validity of the evidence which to this day is undisputed. Yeah. And it really, that's why I, when I watched it, because you had sent it to me a couple

days before we came on here today. And I thought, okay, let me, let me check this out, obviously, right? We're going to talk about this. Let me check this out. And I thought it was great because of what you just said, it really encapsulated. Like, if I were to talk to someone in my family who doesn't pay attention to this and who knows nothing other than what maybe they saw on the news one night, 30 seconds about this story. And I show them that video.

It would tell them everything that we've spoken about in three parts, you know, four hours of conversation that he would encapsulate into four minutes. So I thought it was really well done. So kudos. Yeah, well, there's some nuance there, you know, like for example, when we see that ring camera come down for the ring camera when it comes down from that one particular point of view, there's audio that goes with. that where you can hear it make a mechanical oscillating sound as it comes down and then to stay on that issue there's also a camera angle from another view from almost from a camera side view where you can see two objects coming down that's right one with the tail and one without a tail so there's a lot of nuance that goes with all of that we showed you a tiny bit there but each bit can be cross

referenced and verified by multiple sources. Yeah, exactly right. And if you're not familiar with the case completely, you can always go back to listen to the other episodes that Scott and I did on this. But again, that really kind of summarized it very, very nicely. And one thing I noticed, too, Scott, in all the times that we've been talking about this and looking at these videos, I didn't notice until I was looking at that video.

We were, you know, we've shown the pictures and stuff on social media and on YouTube before where that giant head is coming over the fence. Yeah. And I never really put together like two and two where the giant head comes into frame. And you can see one of the brothers, I think maybe it was Joshua, actually flinch. I never noticed that. Yeah. As that giant shadow comes into frame there over the fence, you see him do that flinch and kind of look over in that direction real quick.

Like he sensed something was there or he heard something and something spooked him. So I've never actually made that correlation. That's pretty incredible, actually. I just noticed that right now. Well, you know, listen, I am a firm believer. Well, I don't believe anymore. I just know. This video is the Zapruder film of UAP UFO videos.

This is, I believe, not the first time, but I think the first time an authentic, verified, analyzed, expert report. that goes along with it. I'm backing my reputation on it too, brother. As much as Lou Alizando was backing his reputation, I have more of a reputation to back on what I'm doing. Yeah, maybe I didn't work for the CIA or the government, but I make my living on my credibility as it relates to me being able to scientifically talk about the truth. Yeah, you can't argue that. I mean, it's true. And look, you're still active in crime scene investigation. It's not like, you know, I work every day.

I podcast, I do UFO stuff, you know, maybe six hours a week. The other 50 hours a week I'm working is on homicide and reconstructing actual cases that are, you know, some people you're reading about them in the news. As we speak today, there's a good chance that I may be working on some of those cases. It's hard to argue, man. It's not like you're just going to, we've mentioned it before. It's like you're just going to, you know, come on here and just say random stuff. I mean, there's a lot to lose. So I always give you credit for that for putting yourself out there for it.

Anything else on the body cam footage from the police department that night? No, no. We have not heard back. We filed a FOIA request. We filed other documents. I'm working through an attorney to get some kind of legal traction. We've reached out to the owners of the property to try to find out if they'll be willing to waive their right to the video footage. because the police are saying that the reason they can't release the footage is because the owner

wants his privacy or their privacy. So we know that the Kenmore family, the Gomez family, they didn't own the property. They rented it and they've now left. They don't live there anymore. So the owner that bought the property, bought the property two months prior to this event happening. And that owner has not responded to our request. Interesting. Okay. We'll leave it at that. It still remains to be, it still remains one of the best cases, in my opinion, as far as alien encounter. So. And you're going to be hearing about it in 2025 on national TV on a show. I think everybody in the audience knows intimately.

Can you tell us? Ancient aliens. Is that right? That's right. So the lost date. Now hold on a second, Scott. Hold on a second. I was very. I was very. ready to move on here into the next subject. You just throw that in there, baby. This is big news. So the Las Vegas case, you're going to be on ancient aliens talking about the Las Vegas case. This is happening in 2025. I am hosting the first episode of 2025 for the entire hour being spent on this case.

Is that right? It's going to be called aliens in our midst. Really? Yeah. because I feel like this case gives us an opportunity, Steve, to we don't have to cry that the sky is falling, okay? We don't have to say, oh, we're at the middle of World War II. Right.

You guys should hate those guys. Or I don't believe this guy or I don't believe that guy. This case gives us an opportunity to just simply say, okay, it's real. Now what? Well, let's figure it out, right? Let's just figure out what do we do next. We don't have to worry about bombs and bullets and guns and people going crazy and all the stuff.

We just need to worry about we know it's real. Okay, it's on the record. I put this case on the record. It's part of history. It'll go down as one of the most significant documented, verified, official UFO events in our entire life. if not ever and we're a part of it you're a part of it your audience is a part of it and pretty soon the whole world will be hearing from us it's awesome uh well said man hey listen if if you need uh some backup on ancient aliens i'm happy to do it i'm just actually i already told them that i want

you and i want jim quirk with me on the show so uh so everybody out there at uap nation uh You know, follow me as well as him, and I guarantee he'll be on Asian aliens too. That's awesome. I love it, man. Well, good. Some big stuff hopefully then coming up to you here. It's fun, man. That's good.

Very good. And more people need to know about it and hear about it. And I know you've been in the trenches. We've been in there together talking about this. So that's all right. So maybe some big things that come here in 2025. Stay tuned. Very cool.

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And just give a background on Avi Loeb real quick, too, in case. Yeah. I think everybody knows who he is, but just in case. Bobby Loeb is a Harvard professor, tenured, and he is the founder of the Galileo Project, which is a educational pursuit that he is the president of that is searching for extraterrestrial life and near-earth objects that could be extraterrestrial artifacts or something like that. And he has a number of people. people in his group, you know, from Hal Putoff to Lou Alizondo, to Christopher Mellon, to all of these guys are part of the Galileo Project.

They help fund it. I donate to it. I ask your people out there in the audience. If you want to send 10, 20, 30 bucks to the Galileo Project, it's nonprofit. It's tax deductible. It is an educational, peaceful pursuit by a farm boy from Israel, who's out. there looking for extra trust for her life in the way he knows how to do it and he was out my show this is the third time he's been on my show second time on christmas eve he's a seems to be my

christmas eve date uh and uh we had could not be any difference from each other but we've struck a i think a really good relationship i have a lot of admiration for him he's taking theoretical physics and taking it into the field. Okay? He's not, he's so much, he's more in the field than he is in the classroom. And that to me is a real scientist. I'm a blue collar guy.

I put together gel mannequins and live ammunition, and I measure trajectory and blood spatter and dynamics of crime scenes. And it's mostly in the lab. It's in our studio where we can blow things up, right? That's what we do. You know, our company is, kind of like myth busters for crime scenes.

You know, we try to improve or unprove a particular theory of physical evidence related to a homicide. That's what we do on a day and day basis. Avi, what he does is he's renting ships and going to Madagascar and scraping the ocean floor for exploded meteors that he thinks might be artificial interstellar objects. And he is revolutionary in the field of science because like I said, he's not like Neil deGrasse Tyson who's just sitting there pontificating in front of an audience in suits and ties, just drinking martinis.

He's in the field getting dirty, doing his job, willing to fail, but most importantly, willing to learn and extend his understanding of his place and our place in the universe. Very cool. No, it's awesome that you guys, you know, we're able to speak to each other on your show. And you've developed that relationship. I mean, it's somebody that I've admired from afar. I think he does great work.

I mean, to your point. So what was it that really caught your ear in this time that you guys spoke? You got it, brother. Well, I have a clip queued up. I'll set it up. I was showing Avi a series of videos that I verified as being authentic in the manner of The author that filmed the video is the one that posted the video. I was able to contact the author of the video to verify that it was uploaded near to the date that it was taken.

And I didn't do any AI analysis on it because just there was no time for anybody to mess with this video. And you'll see the video that I have. We went through a couple, but the clip that I have is a video of what we believe could be a plasma orb. and I was mystified by it. I showed him the video, and it sparked a conversation that we can get into now. And let me just play the clip for you. Sure.

Okay. Here we go. So I guess my question is. There's a lot of talk online about people who are not scientists who are talking about plasmas, plasma orbs, a plasmoid. Could you please, for the record, explain to us what a plasma orb is? Is it even a thing? is there such a thing as a plasmoid?

Do they come in contact with Earth? Are they dangerous? Should we be on a lookout for things like this? And if these things are near Earth in our atmosphere, beneath and amongst our clouds, what does that mean? So we'll put it up to- Before he answers that, Steve?

Yeah. What a compound question. And I got a laugh at myself. I got a lot to learn in the field of broadcasting because that was an impossible question. That might be like a Harvard-level thesis, final question to get your PhD question. But good luck for us. Avi Lowe has a PhD in plasma physics and astrophysics.

Yeah, so a good guy to ask that question, too. I did want to mention, too, as you're asking the question in the video, just to kind of set the scene for anybody listening and not actually watching the video at this moment, it's a video of this really bright light in the sky. It looks like a street light. It's that bright. It looks like a full moon. It's that bright.

But it looks like it's someone taking the video outside of their car window. Am I getting it right? Yeah. And they actually, the header on the video says this is not the moon. So. And we're going to talk about that specifically with Avi about, because it's a long video. And you're going to see a good portion of the video. But let's pick it up here where Avi answers that ridiculously stupid question I asked him.

What does it mean? Yeah. So I did my PhD in plasma physics. That was actually my early expertise. And a plasma is basically hot gas that is in which atoms and molecules are broken into their constituent electrons and ions. And so what you end up with is a lot of free charges. That's what the plasma is. And you get to a state of plasma from, let's say, a gas cloud by heating it up, injecting energy into it.

So when there is an explosion, when a meteor. Okay. Just for a quick second, for everybody that's going to be seeing this, Steve, do you notice that red laser coming from the left side of the screen? I do. So that bright light we were talking about. So this is really bright circular orb. I mean, it looks like a full moon. Like when you put up your camera, you're trying to take a picture of the full moon and all you see is just that bright circle. That's what it looks like in the video. But again, the person taking the video is saying this is not the moon. And what's weird here, and this is the video you're talking about with Avi Loeb during your interview. And it's great to hear from Avi. Thanks for bringing this to us, Scott. Sure. What you're referring to there is from the lower left quadrant of that bright light, you start to see this red line coming out from it, almost like some type of laser beam of some sort coming out from the light. Now, debunkers could say or skeptics could say that all that's just light refraction and it's playing tricks with the camera. Understandable, but you know, you make sense of it on your own.

But that's what we're seeing there on this video is this red bean coming out from this bright light right now. I just want everybody to just take note of that because in a few minutes, Avi's going to talk about the possibility of the creation of orbs. But before we do that, let Avi continue to explain what a plasma orb is.

You heard it from him, his first PhD, of course, not his second one. or a serum, but his first PhD was in plasma physics. No big deal. Here we go. The atmosphere, you end up with a fireball that is a plasma. So a plasma is simply hot gas in which atoms and molecules are broken into free electrons and ions. Now how do you get that?

Well, if you release a large amount of energy into a small volume, you can get that. Or that can be done by a spark. If you have a lightning, then you can generate a blob of plasma because the lightning releases through the electric currents that dissipate heat into the air, you end up with creating a plasma. Another possibility, if there is some kind of an explosion, you know, a meteor strikes the atmosphere, or there was an energy release from some other source. For example, a laser, if it's powerful enough, can create a plasma plume. And the plasma plume will, have a signature in radar systems. It will emit bright light because it's very hot gas.

You know, the sun is made of a plasma. It's a hot ball of hot gas. I've heard that you said the whole universe is a plasma base. Oh yeah. The entire universe is mostly in a plasma state. Okay. So it's a good place to stop it. And we can get back to the video. I'll stop show you for a second. So it's back you and me on the screen. But we've got a lot more But we've got a lot to discuss with that right there. Yeah, I mean, one of the things, if I, man, just in two minutes, I feel like I mean, like, you know, some type of advanced Harvard class is. You are.

You are. You are. But on the video itself that we were showing there on the screen. That was what Avey was commenting about. Right. And so just to kind of tell you what he was commenting on because I was fascinating. And I never seen that video that you were showing that you were showing, that you were showing Avi Logue there. on your show. I just found it a couple of days ago. It's crazy. So again, this bright light in the sky.

Anybody can say it's the moon. But what this thing was doing is because it goes in front of the clouds. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what's really strange about this is the way this thing was oscillating. That's what caught me with this video. It was like pulsating. Yeah. And it got smaller, this bright light. It got smaller, almost like it was ascending. And then it. It started to get brighter again, almost as if it was descending. And it wasn't a steady circle like you would see with the moon. It was doing some type of weird oscillation where it wasn't a perfect circle anymore. It was becoming almost like a blob-ish type thing and then forming back into a circle.

And again, debunkers or skeptics could say, well, that's just eye playing tricks. You know as the clouds are passing by. Well, you got to debunk a Harvard physicist. Yeah. Yeah. It was, that's a really weird video, man. Do you know where that was taken? I believe it was Nashville, Tennessee, 5 o'clock in the morning on December the 21st.

Okay. So it's interesting because obviously that fits into the recent sightings throughout the northeast and into the south in Tennessee. They've had sightings over Oak Ridge, which I'm sure, as you know, is an old testing site that goes back to World War II and the Oppenheimer days, but it's still an active site. Yeah. And they've had, you know, sightings of strange drones, you know, in that area. So, you know, just to hear Tennessee is, it just kind of brings back the Oak Ridge kind of sightings, too.

There's something interesting going on here. I learned, before I was talking to Avi, I was doing some independent research on orbs and plasma orbs, just trying to figure out what the heck it is, you know. Orbs can be created by high-pressure nuclear energy, and they can emanate from them, or they can be attracted to high-pressure nuclear energy, and they can naturally occur, like you heard Avi say, through a meteor or a lightning bolt, and now you're going to hear Avi say you can artificially create them with a high-powered layer. laser. You ready for that? Oh, this is good stuff. Let's go. This gets into Ashton Forbes and the Malaysian Air Flight. And I actually talked to Ashton, and we're discussing it. And we might get Obilob involved on that. And wouldn't that be great if we could get the help of a Harvard physicist, the most famous Harvard physicist, to help us actually determine what happened with that flight. Yeah, I would love to see that. I would love to have you guys all on to talk about it. The possibilities are unending.

If we build a community of people, of like-minded people that are just curious, that's where we evolve. That's where we ascend because we're just doing it out of curiosity, and that is cool to me, you know? Yeah. Anyway, here's the rest. Here's picking up with Avi Loeb coming up now.

Here we go. Most of the ordinary matter is hydrogen, and it was broken into electrons and protons by the ultraviolet radiation from stars. So most of the universe is a plasma. So now the question is, what could be a source of plasma? And, you know, you could shine a laser and create the position of energy in a small volume that looks like a plasma blob. You can have an object that moves very fast, like a meteor or an airplane that creates some plasma, especially if it's supersonic. And so it really depends on a case-by-case basis as to what the origin,

what's the source of this plasma plume. But the important thing to keep in mind, it's not a solid body. Although if there is a solid body like a meteor moving very fast, it will deposit a heat into the atmosphere and create a ball of plasma around it. So that's what a plasma is. And then the question is, under which circumstances do we see, and, you know, for example, suppose you have a laser and you shoot it and it's very powerful, so you can confuse the radar system by creating a blob of plasma by depositing and the focus of the laser, you know.

So one reason to do that is to confuse a radar system, to think that there is an object, but in fact it's not a real object. It's interesting. Wow. So an interesting question that some people suggested is, whether the Tick-Tac report from 20 years ago could have been triggered by plasma blobs rather than physical objects. Because then you can, just like a spot of a laser, you can move them very fast, much faster than physical objects. And that would confuse potentially the radar systems or the infrared system, all the ultraviolets detectors that notice heat or

a ball of ionized gas and it could move very fast. That's so interesting that plasma is three-dimensional. However, it's not solid, but it does have high condensed energy, right? And it has high pressure. So usually what happens is because of its high pressure, it tends to expand and lose its energy eventually. And the question is how long,

so either you inject energy, continuously, so you maintain always some core of that plasma blob. Or if you were to deposit it in a short period of time, then it will expand and dissipate and disappear eventually. Well, here is the million dollar question, Avi. If a plasma orb can be created through some sort of human technology, say like a laser, a high-powered laser, could theoretically we control that plasma. orb to operate in a manner that we can manipulate?

In principle, yes. We can potentially do that. The question is, is the military playing games with us? You know, and yeah, it's really important to establish whether an object that we think is an object is actually just a blow of heated gas and it has no, you know, no solid interior to it because then it can move really fast. um we all know follow the rules of physics it's just light and gas and it's not through than air right it could move uh really i mean you can change the focus the point where you focus the

point where you focus the energy into and um just like playing tricks with a cat you know that i'm just going to say that like a laser pointer yeah okay so i think that's a good point to stop and talk about it a lot of news there what do you think Man, it's heavy stuff. I mean, you're really talking about, it really does lend credence to a lot of what, I mean, really what a lot of what like Ashton Forbes has spoken about when it comes to, you know, if we take the next step, talking about negative energy and things like that. And these orbs that would be developed by the military that, you know, would abduct the Malaysian Airlines flights 20 years ago.

Or not, right? 20? 10 years ago, yeah. 10 years ago. I do believe that that technology is there, that it is a thing. But it's hard to kind of wrap your head around, right? When you start to really talk about the science behind this, like, how is this being used? Who is using it?

Where is it coming from? Is it human and extraterrestrial? How do we know the difference between both? I mean, there are so many questions that pop into my head when I hear a discussion like that. Well, I think the question you have to ask yourself is, who do you trust with true information? And the way I think most people determine how do you know if you're being lied to is you did, one, you use your internal BS meter. That's number one. And number two, you can look at the individual or entity that's giving you that information and then make a determination of,

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Yeah. Oh, very cool, man. Thanks for bringing that to us today because it's, I think it's the conversation or one of the conversations on the future when it comes to plasma, plasma tech, plasma orbs. How is all this happening? Why is it happening? Who's creating it?

You know, who's, and why. But that's a question. Right. And I think that kind of brings us to an idea of something we mentioned earlier. I know you mentioned Ashton Forbes. earlier. How do you think a discussion like this relates to? And actually, can I tell you, Scott, before I ask you this question? This is the question I'm about to ask you is a question that I've had numerous people say to me through different messages, you've got to ask Scott about

Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. When are you going to ask him about the videos that Ashton Forbes has put out? What does he think about those videos? Scott, I've been requested to ask you this question for over a year. So now that we have kind of moved on and away from from Vegas, it's still an active investigation is still there, but we're not solely focused on anymore. So now since we are in that spot, I'm going to ask you the question that people have wanted me to ask you for over a year. What do you think about those videos that Ashton Forbes has put out with the orb circling the plane, the plane disappears? It's a very famous video if you've never seen it. and his theory is that that was the U.S. military using tech to abduct this plane to send a message

and because of who was on the plane, it's a long story. But what do you think about that? And is it the type of technology that you and Avi Loeb were talking about with the plasma orbs? Well, that's a great question. And I will answer that question as thoroughly and as detailed as I can. Number one, I believe that Ashton Forbes is an incredibly intelligent individual. I've spoken him personally.

We've been talking on the phone actually recently. We met over X. We've been sharing our notes on this. I've actually heard his interviews dozens of times on a number of shows, including yours. And he's brilliant. And I believe that he has pure motivation on getting this out because he believes it's true. I believe that he believes it's true. I also believe that the evidence that he has brought to us on that case is pretty solid.

Would it hold up in court? Not yet. And that's because we don't have chain of custody with regard to who took that video, where were they out? or they took that video and what's going on on the rest of that video. Because if you remember, that was a video that was recorded on, I believe, a handheld device on a monitor. Right. It was a video from supposedly a drone and also, I think, satellite video and it was

recorded, that video was recorded onto a phone. Right. Right. Yeah. From the monitor. Not like a transfer, but like they're holding the phone over the monitor. Right. Correct.

So when you have that kind, and I've had that situation come up in court. Okay. It was a domestic relations case. I won't bother you with all the details, but basically a woman claimed that she was being beat by her husband and she was filming the security footage with her cell phone. Like here's the security camera, a monitor inside and chooses to go like this and film the computer. But then she manipulates it on her phone and then puts it out like he's being beat because she fast forwardes it. So whenever you have a recording of a recording and not a transfer of a recording, it's difficult because you lose chain of custody. So the only deficit to Ashton's case is chain of custody. Okay. That's why his case can't be one in court because now if we could get the original footage, which is probably top secret. Sure. Then, but my question is, do I believe that what was recorded was real?

yes. Can I prove it? No, because of the format. Does everything on that video comport with what his version of the events are? Absolutely 100%. So I believe Ashton Forbes is correct? Yes. Do I believe he's right in most of his assertions? Yes. I have no opinion as to why the plane was brought down. But I believe that the plane was already going down. and gun to crash prior to this. Who's to say what happens after you save it? Where did it go? What happens? But yes, I believe that what Avi and I are talking about, that the ability to create an orb or manipulate a naturally occurring orb by a high-powered laser, then yes, I believe you can manipulate the orb.

Now, do we know personally that if you manipulate three individual orbs, whether man-made or naturally occurring and you keep pumping energy into that orb to keep it alive? And then you put it in a circular notation around this airplane that the airplane is going to disappear. Do I know that that is solid science and that could work? No, I don't. I think Avi Loeb is a better person to ask that specific question to. and maybe I will get a chance to ask them that. But we're talking about probably the most advanced scientific theories that revolve around naturally occurring renewable eternal energy sources.

And if that's correct, then that's more tops. If we say nuclear bombs are top secret or above top secret and UFOs are above nuclear bombs, Free energy is above UFOs. Yeah, you're 100% right. And I think that's where the ultimate road leads is to free energy. When you have these discussions about plasma and the capabilities of plasma, how it's created. I mean, Avi put it pretty plainly. I mean, as plainly as somebody can put about how it's created, what it is.

And in theory, it sounds like it's entirely possible for anybody who is still kind of skeptical about it. I mean, by all means, that's up to you. but the way he kind of lays it out there, for me at least, it's very, very plausible. Not only can you create it, but it most likely already has been created in some labs somewhere, have you do with secret military studies and technology. That's my observation on it.

Well, I mean, think about this. We are, when I say we, I mean, the general public, are always 30 years behind what they, the government or most likely the military or CIA because here's also the other thing the our leaders like to parse words right like they always say oh it's not an ET extraterrestrial meaning out of space but it could be an ultra-terrestrial it could be a form of human it could be a parallel reality there is much nuance when it comes to this subject there are lots of things happening at the same time in the same space by the same kinds of groups and people.

And we're the ones down here trying to put this giant jigsaw puzzle together the best we can with loving our heart and curiosity and our minds. I love it. I really well said. Before we're done here today, I did want to ask you real quick, too, because you talk about the video from Ashton Forbes and, you know, the case. if MH370 there, you say you think it's real in your opinion. Can I just ask you why when you watch that video, even though you can't really get

involved with chain of custody, which is a really interesting thing to point out, by the way, I never never consider that, which is why you are who you are, because you understand how these things work. But just looking at it from your computer screen or are you watching on your phone, what makes you think, okay, this is the real deal? Okay, well, great question. I did break it down frame by frame. The way I break down any other kind of video,

like a body camera footage, I broke it down frame by frame, in the area which I was particularly looking for. And the area I was hyper-focused on was the one second before and the one second after that big complam. It almost looks like a Batman, like the graphic they would put around like an exclamation part for a month. Right.

like, blam, right? It's like this big circle opens up a wormhole, a portal, whatever you want to call. It's like this burst of energy and it disappears. It's a, it's definitely some sort of anamonopoeia. It's like, you know, right in your face. And so I broke that down. And it's about maybe, I think, if I turn it, you know, 600 frames, individual frames over a period of a couple seconds, right? from the beginning of when you see that things start to blop in until it's gone again.

And I broke that down frame by frame by frame. And I did not see anything in that that would say that it was an animation or that it was added in or spliced in to the other footage. We have continuity of footage with regard to at least the cell phone video. So I don't think the cell phone footage was edited at all. So the question is, was what the cell phone was. was recording edited. And from that particular situation, if you look at the monitors and the setup

and the environment in which that was filmed, that seems unlikely as well. So is there something remotely going on that would put some kind of an artifact in there? Certainly it's not a camera artifact. That doesn't make any sense to me. So that leaves me to either some kind of pre-choreographed inexplicable,

purposeful manipulation of a video of what was being filmed or it's real. And, you know, it's hard to get away from that, you know, but I could not see anything artificial in it. Now, some people were like, oh, that's a graphic

from a video game of this. But that wasn't out and available at the time this was shot and out. So I find that argument to be typical armchair debunkering out of Reddit, which I don't think is all that credible. But if you're going to get into the physics of our atmosphere and how an electron can be manipulated with a high energy laser port source from a distance, that sounds like technology that's possible. Yeah. I'm not how put off. Okay.

I don't have access to skunk works. So I think I would love to ask that question to help up. What does he think? Well, Scott, this has been awesome. Maybe we've touched on a lot of stuff here today. Was there anything else you wanted to throw out there before we're all done? Because this has been great. Appreciate you coming on.

Well, I just want to put out into the universe that I love you, planet Earth. And I want you to be nice to people. I want you to love people. I want you to be peaceful, be respectful, people that disagree with you, and above all else, pray for your enemies because they're the ones that are going to need it. There you go. From the mouth of Scott Rotor himself, awesome stuff, buddy. We got a lot done here.

The big news about ancient aliens with the Vegas case, great video put together, Avi Loeb, plasma orbs, MH370. The video is real in your expert opinion. So lots of great stuff, man. Thanks for coming on here. Always on T UAP. Always appreciate your time, buddy. You are a brother and friend of mine, Stephen,

and to everybody out there, you of P Nation, I love you. That's right. Oh, wait, where can they follow you real quick? Oh, yeah, sure. Right here, guys, Scott Roder at CSTM on Twitter. Also, crime scene time machine, now with video on Spotify.

And you can also find me, Crime Seat Time Machine, Scott Roder, on TikTok. and Ninja underscore O-H-C-A on Instagram. Awesome. Good stuff. It was such a nice ending where you said you love everybody. Then I ruined it by asking you where everybody you follow. Oh, man.

You know, whatever. Listen, Steven, you are my favorite broadcaster in the UAP field. I really love and respect the way you handle yourself, your demeanor, your open mind. And, I mean, that's what you see, the model of your show. Open minds, baby. And I'm all about that. And I want to engage with those open minds. And that's why I love the show.

That's awesome. Thanks, buddy. Happy New Year, everybody. Happy New Year. Thank you, Scott. That was a lot of fun. I hope you enjoyed as much as I did. Just covering all the different bases, you know,

talking about Vegas in the beginning. And then hearing from Avi Loeb talking about, you know, what plasma is, how it even comes about, how it could be used, how it can confuse radar, and how it all connects to plasma orbs, the plasmoids, all these different things. So fascinating to consider all of those points. And then connect it back to MH370.

And to hear Scott's take on that video and speaking with Ashton Forbes. So really fun stuff, enlightening. I guess, you know what? That would be a good word to put behind it, I think. It was an enlightening experience, an enlightening interview. It was for me. So hopefully it was for you as well. So thank you again to Scott for bringing that to me.

I'm really glad he texted me and said, hey, let's talk about all this. because that was a really cool interview. I'm glad we got to do that. Now, outside of that, I do want to cover what was also happening with the Matthew Livelsberger situation. So I'm going to start from point A. If you heard all this or read it all already on Twitter, I apologize. I don't mean to be repetitive.

But if you haven't heard all this or read it, then this is going to be new information. And it's really quite fascinating to say the least. So we know what happened. Matthew Livelsberger in the cyber truck. It explodes outside of the Trump Hotel there in Las Vegas. And he goes along with the cyber truck. A lot of investigations being done. What is going on?

What was his purpose? And it comes out, out of nowhere, Friday afternoon, on the Sean Ryan show. So credit to Sean Ryan. I do think he does a great job. I've always thought that. I mean, I have a lot of respect for Sean Ryan and what he does. And for him to come out of nowhere with this report, an email that had allegedly come from Matthew Littlesberger himself on New Year's Eve. They called an email.

They call a manifesto. And it had a lot of detail on there about basically saying that he was trying to go to Mexico and to get away from the government. And he was blowing the whistle on a few different things, one of them being some. war crimes and national security. The one that got everybody's eyes, though, in the UFO community, including my own eyes, there was a lot of stuff in that email, but what stood out was this claim of anti-gravity technology being used by China, and they are the ones who are, I guess, deploying the drones that people have been seen, the so-called drones that people have been seen over the East Coast lately,

especially throughout New Jersey. And they had this submarine, about 100 miles off the coast. And these drones, these SUV-sized drones, there are Chinas, they're being sent over here, and they use anti-gravity technology to accomplish their goals. So that got a lot of people talking. And there was a lot of discussion on whether or not Matthew Livelsberger even wrote this email, this manifesto. Maybe it was a complete fake.

There was a lot of talk about that. So I did some digging over the weekend. I spoke to some sources on my end, sources that would have a lot of information in this area of intelligence and, you know, I guess intimate knowledge of the inner workings of an active soldier and a veteran and how they would go about in a scenario like this. The first bit of news that I reported over the weekend that was a big deal in my eyes was that, the confirmation that Matthew Lillebosberger did write this email. Now, he was stationed at Fort Bragg and also in Germany, and it's confirmed by officials at Fort Bragg for my information that I'm being told here, okay? And this is very trustworthy information.

This isn't somebody I just, you know, stopped on a street corner and spoke to. Extremely, extremely, extremely trustworthy. If I didn't find it trustworthy, quite frankly, I wouldn't even be saying it, because I put myself out there. This is also my own reputation. I don't want to come out and give false information or get burned by information that ends up being wrong and then I'm made to look silly.

Quite frankly, I don't want to be involved with something like that. Who does? So when I give out information that I'm given, I think long and hard about it to make sure, okay, where is the information coming from? Does it line up? Does this make sense? Is it going against the grain?

A lot of different questions go through my head. my own little vetting process, if you will, when I'm given something that could be quite significant. And this was, I believe, significant in the things that I was told. And all that said, I do feel extremely confident in where this information came from and who gave it to me. And for that reason, I am confident enough to come out and relate this information to you, which I was given permission to do so, by the way. This is not something that's shady or I'm doing behind any of any of you. anybody's back. So, the first bit of information was this email was written confirmed by officials

on Fort Bragg. That's the important part. That's not being reported in the news, but I can tell you that confirmed by officials on Fort Bragg, in Fort Bragg, that Lillesburgger did write that manifesto. They're able to use all their, you know, techniques to know that he wrote that email. Okay, that's the first thing. So if he wrote it, what about the claims that are inside? everything true? I can't speak to the war crimes part of it. I didn't do too much digging on that. It's not really, I guess really my area of expertise, quite frankly, I didn't really want to know. If I'm being honest with you, I probably could have found out more about that, but I really, in that area, in that arena, in my mind, ignorance is kind of bliss. Like, I don't really want to

dig into war crimes, quite frankly. That just makes me really sad. But I did dig in the claims on the anti-gravity technology being used by China to launch SUV-sized drones off the coast of the United States. On that particular claim, I learned that it is not true. From the source, I was speaking with, they have told me that it's not the case, that China does not have anti-gravity technology. China does not have a submarine capable, maybe even more damning, outside of the anti-gravity technology, because that's always the controversial part. But just on the conventional end of things, I've been told that China does not have a submarine technologically capable of launching SUV-sized drones off the coast of the United States. They don't have a submarine that can launch a drone that size.

So they don't have the anti-gravity tech and they don't have a submarine capable of launching drones like that. And that's A&B. C would be the U.S. would not allow that to continue off their shores. And that goes back to what Anthony Williams was talking about when he was on the show with me, that if anybody, then that goes back to the Iran mothership thing. Remember that report from one of the congressmen who put that out a few weeks back. And, you know, the Pentagon refuted that right away because the fact is,

if there was an adversary with a submarine stationed off within 100 miles of our coast, and essentially, you know, launching drone warfare in a way, it would not be allowed to continue. We probably wouldn't even be allowed to start when I was being told. They're in U.S. waters. That's a big no-no, obviously. And it wouldn't be just some type of exercise. This is, you know, an operation, if that was the case.

And according to my sources, that's not something that would be stopped. So you have the conventional, wisdom there, the conventional intelligence, and also talking about China does not have the anti-gravity text. So why would Lillezberger, who has confirmed, wrote that email, wrote that manifesto, why would he put that information in there if it wasn't true? Well, there's two reasons that could be the case, and I don't have the answer to this, but just speculation. One would be some type of diversion, maybe holding up a shiny object to whoever was reading it, maybe, you know, some type of calculated diversion to distract away from something else.

I don't know if that makes sense, but that's just an option in my mind. Number two would be he was given false information on something and took it as if it was real. That could be a possibility. And even if you want to go with a third one, maybe he's just possibly delusional on that aspect. I don't know. I really don't know. But it could be one of those three options. The fact is when I'm being told that part of the email,

that he wrote was not factually accurate. Also going back to the point where I'm told that we know everything China has. I found this part really interesting when I had this discussion over the weekend privately that we know everything China has just due to our capabilities in espionage, if you will. We know exactly what they're capable of. We know exactly what they have, what they're working on. And this submarine with that capability is not something that they have or are close to having. So if we take that part out of it, then it becomes a question again of why was that even in there. So I thought that was a very significant piece of information that I learned over the weekend that I had put out on social media as well. And some of the other things we spoke about

in the conversation related more towards, you know, the techniques that Littlesberger supposedly used with the car bomb, the explosion, using fireworks and campfire gas. using a Desert Eagle 50 caliber handguns who have that self-inflicted gun wound. I mean, those are all things that didn't add up as well. They were just wildly inconsistent in how a green beret would operate. And that's, again, that was just on the end.

That was being told. So a lot of suspicion, a lot of things that don't make sense here. And there's two different stories being told when it comes to Matthew Livelsberger. The story, the mainstream media story, is that they found notes on his phone that talked about why he killed himself. And then we have this email from Littlesberger, confirmed by him that he wrote it,

talking about how they know they're after him and he's trying to get to Mexico. So something's not adding up here somewhere along the lines. And maybe if he did know something, even outside of some type of black ops operations, maybe it was more along the lines of the war crimes accusations, or maybe there was some type of black ops knowledge that he had. And he was close to it, but didn't exactly get it right in that email. It was just something still doesn't add up. It didn't add up to begin with in my book.

And then even more over the weekend, as we found out these details and have these two different sides of the story, very different sides, still leading to the same outcome. It just, to me, doesn't pass the sniff test. There's something else going on here. And how much of it relates to the email that he wrote? that's a question that remains to be answered. But it seems like a lot of it, one way or another, whatever you want to believe on what he claimed in that email. But it's a very, very confusing situation.

And I'm hoping to get more answers on it. But that's what I can give you right now is that confirmed he did write it. China doesn't have the tech that he's claiming. And another thing was how he framed, and this again coming from my source, how he framed this, you know, security access, his clearance is not something that's the way that you would write it, talking about top secret security clearance with UAP, USAP access. Just the way that he framed it isn't something, isn't the way that they would normally write it. So that was also a red flag.

So, you know, maybe did he even have these accesses? I don't know. But there was, he wrote it, but there was just these inconsistencies in the email that don't add up to factual statements. that's where it's kind of at right now and the information I was given. So I hope that helps, even though maybe it kind of muddies the water is even a little bit more. But just the fact, getting the confirmation that he did write it, kind of evaluates what Sean Ryan was doing and it validates that maybe those notes on his phone weren't something he wrote. I mean, it's all very strange.

There's still a lot of questions with this, like I said. So all that said, I'll continue to keep you updated as long as I continue to get updates myself. make sure to follow along on social media uh you know that's that's where the immediate stuff happens at ua podcast 850 on the social media platforms twitter ticot um and also at ua podcast on youtube and you can email me as well if you like s dneruap at gmail dot com that's s d i e n er uap at gmail com and i do get back to you eventually so if you'd like to say something as far as um just anything you have on your mind your own story um a uh a critique, a positive message. You love me. You hate me. Whatever it might be. You can put that through

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I'll be speaking to with this week acclaimed filmmaker who actually just worked on the phenomenon with James Fox. He was a consultant on that. He's a documentary in himself. For a new movie coming out called The Alien Perspective, Dean Aliotto is going to be on the show. And this movie looks really good. This documentary called The Alien Perspective, written and directed. He's an award-wording filmmaker, Dean Aliotto.

So I'm looking forward to talking to him. A lot of great guests that he had in his documentary, including Leslie Keene and Dave Foley. Nick Pope was in it, as well as Travis Walton, Paul Heineck, Dr. Michael Masters. A lot of people were in this documentary that's coming out called the Alien Perspective from filmmaker Dean Aliotto. So we'll be talking to him this week. on the show on UAP. Really cool. Looking forward to that

and looking forward to watching the documentary itself as well. And something to look forward to. I mentioned the name earlier a couple of times, actually. How about Ashton Forbes? Ashton Forbes and I

are set to speak again here on the show so I'll keep you up to date on when that episode will drop as well. But that will do it for now. Sorry for the long post-credit scene here, if you will, but I just wanted to update you and all that information because I found it pretty significant.

So hopefully you found that you useful as well. But until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here on UAP, saying thank you again so very much for tuning in for always tuning into the show. And I look forward to coming back with you here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Until then, be well and thank you.