UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 102 "The Alien Perspective" with Dean Alioto

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

How are we looked at by ET's? That is the question that filmmaker, Dean Alioto, asks in his new movie "The Alien Perspective" as he and Stephen Diener discuss that as well as some new shocking information that he documents regarding the Rendlesham Forest case. The ramifications of this movie could be very powerful...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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episode really because we're going to talk to someone who I really really enjoyed speaking with Dean Aliotto who is the writer director of the Alien Perspective, a new film that actually just came out yesterday and I'm really happy I got to talk to him

because be honest with you just a little behind the scenes here before we get into the interview and I'll tell you what to expect from this interview. I heard about the movie and ended up having some conversations with some people behind the scenes and they said, hey, you know what? What would you like to have on Dean? And I said, sure, this movie sounds really cool, actually. So it just kind of came together. It was one of those things that it wasn't a plan.

It wasn't like, oh, well, this week I'm going to talk to Dean Aliotto. I can't wait to do this. I'm going to reach out to him. I'm going to send him all these messages and beg him to come on the show. it was really just this popped up. I had the opportunity and I jumped at it once I saw what this film was about and Dean's experience and some of the things he's done in the past with filmmaking and writing. I said absolutely I think this would be great and I really, really enjoy talking to him. There are some interviews where personally, after I'm done, I feel kind of like invigorated

or it was just like, man, that was awesome. Like it was really excited after an interview was done. And I could probably count on one hand how many times that's happened. And this was one of them. I just had a really great time talking to Dean, super knowledgeable, great guy. And just in this space and in the space of filmmaking, too, it was very cool to be able to put both together and have this conversation about the alien perspective, his new film that just came out yesterday. Because he was able to bring in Jim Penningston to talk about the Rendell Shum case. He was able to talk about the Tick-Tack case and show it in a way that's never been shown before, but also looks at it as how do the extraterrestrials maybe look at us from their perspective, hence the alien perspective. But you'll hear all that

in the interview. I'm kind of giving away too much. You're going to hear me say the same things again as the episode starts, but it was really fun, really great interview, and something that's you'll haven't heard before about Rendlesham, which is not easy to do, because Rendlesham is such a famous case. And you'll hear this actually, as Dean talks about when he was speaking with Jim Penningston, something happened that he didn't intend for during the conversation. He wasn't trying to make this happen, but really, really fascinating. I'm not going to give it away, but it shocked him and it's in the movie. So I'm going to let you hear that part. And as we both kind of reacted to it in real time, as he told me about it. And aside from Jim Penningston, he had a huge list.

of names and interviews during this film. And it's amazing actually how it all came together, which you'll hear him talk about. But, you know, Leslie Keene is in here and so much more Nick Pope. There's a lot of names. So I won't give too much away again. Like I said, I was just really excited about this.

So plus all the other conversations that we get into here during the interview. So again, really enjoyable, super knowledgeable guy who presents such a fascinating subject for his film, The Alien Perspective here. And just a quick disclaimer, too, maybe even an explainer before you get into the interview. If you haven't heard of the McPherson tape,

the McPherson tape was a movie that Dean came out with in 1989. And if you haven't heard about it, then you kind of need to know as we start talking about it here during the interview. So again, just some background, some context. When you hear that, the McPherson tape came out in 1989, and it was the first ever what we call found footage movie that was made. think like, you know, Blair Witch or something like that, you know, where someone has the camcorder and they're filming what's happening as it's going on. Well, Dean came up with that genre. He came up with that technique of found footage.

And when he made this movie, the McPherson tape, people actually thought it was real because the film consists of someone in a family who ends up recording an alien invasion in their house and the family gets abducted. It's quite terrifying, actually, for people who saw it in. didn't know that it was just a movie. So that was called the McPherson tape, and that led into the remake that came out, which Dean and I also touched on, which was called Alien Abduction, the incident in Lake Counties. So that was the remake of the McPherson tape. So when you hear us talk about those two things, then you know what we're talking about,

because it does connect a lot to this conversation and to his new film, The Alien Perspective. So really good stuff. I hope you enjoy it. Here's Dean Aliotto, director and writer. of many films, but including his new one here, The Alien Perspective. Enjoy. I love to welcome in right now. Dean Aliotto, really happy to have him on.

Great filmmaker, and he's got a new movie out just now, like literally yesterday, The Alien Perspective, and really happy to talk to him about that. And a few other things, too. Dean, thanks for coming on to you AP. This is really cool. Stephen, thank you for having me on the show. I'm excited. Absolutely.

So what really fascinating me about your film here is really, I mean, the point of of it is kind of in the title, right? The alien perspective, which I always appreciate, because sometimes you go into a show or moving, you're like, okay, what is this about? Like, for example, Squid Game. When Squid Game started, I was like, what is Squid Game going to be about? And then we kind of quickly found out. It's the sequel to my octopus teacher, of course. Of course, naturally. But when you see the alien perspective, it's like, oh, okay, this is maybe something from the alien perspective. So what kind of gave you that idea to switch it up a little bit because that's that's kind of what happens here. You're kind of looking at this from the

perspective of how might extraterrestrials, not even intelligence, look at us as humans? It's a pretty unique idea. Yeah, it came about through a couple ways. Number one was, first of all, I never expected to do a documentary in this space. I was happy making movies about this space, pun intended. And so having done the McPherson tape, I kind of felt like, like, you know, that was a real fun, you know, the first found footage film that had family being abducted by aliens. So I thought I would continue doing that. And then because the McPherson tape was recognized as being real to a large extent in the UFO community and I had to go on national TV and debunk it, I got invited to do the 25th anniversary of the film at the International UFO Congress Convention, the mothership of all conventions.

And I went there and I take my work very serious, but I don't take myself, self-serious. So I had fun and found that the UFO community had a lot of levity and could not hold things so tight that they were brittle. And so I'm meeting a lot of great people, great minds and academics like out of Montana Tech, Michael Masters. I'm meeting people connecting with people from Harvard. Harvard, from other colleges, ultimately Oxford, NYU, who have been interested in this space kind of behind closed doors. And I thought, wow, if I can get these guys to come out who don't normally do UFO documentaries to talk about this under the guise of this being a science documentary, maybe we can come

up with a new way to look at this. And while I was developing it, I noticed that every single documentary had the same perspective, is looking at it from the humans perspective, which is valid. And some of these are fantastic documentaries. I really enjoy James Fox's documentaries as well. And I thought, well, what's the opposite of that? And what do I really want to know more than anything? And that is what's in the mind of those visiting our planets? Why are they visiting our planets? What are they hoping to glean from that? How would we projecting ourselves out to such an intelligence as they are? How would we look upon a more primitive civilization? And what riches would come out of that? And the riches

took me seven years to mine. It was supposed to be a nine-month project with 15 interviews and ended up being 66 interviews. And we started NASA and then we just go deeper and deeper. I hate to say rabbit hole, because it's overused so much. But yeah, so it's, you know, I wanted to make something that was for believers, skeptics, and everyone else. And that was the goal. And so that's how that kind of all came about. That's fantastic.

I love that, actually. I think we share something in common there, two things that touched on. Take our work seriously, but not ourselves. I can definitely appreciate that. And also making something for everybody. You know, I try to do that same thing. It's not really, UAP. I kind of pride myself on it not being for like, you know, the hardcore, this is true, you have to believe this.

I like to kind of, you know, leave it open to interpretation for anybody who's listening. So was that when you were making this film, the alien perspective, that was really something then that you had in mind. Did that kind of help in the production for you when it came to not necessarily trying to put across like a hardcore message? But just to say, here's what's going on and maybe just kind of make up your own mind on it. Yeah, well, a lot of times you find that some of the films, again, there's so many great pioneering films in this space. But I wanted to increase the menu. You know, I like to use the Baskin-Robbins 31 flavors. And so I present you, but I don't, I'm not forceful about it.

I present you with ideas of where they could be coming from. And what I mean by that is, like I mentioned Michael Masters, we look at could there be us from the future? What would that look like specifically? And how would we evolve into that? And then we look at, as an example, the simulated reality hypothesis that we're living in a simulated world. And I went after and was able to get Oxford professor who created the simulation reality theory, Dr. Nick Bostrom. And then I was able to get from him, I was able to get, I got David Chalmers, who was just a genius philosopher and he's done TED Talks and stuff at NYU. and they talk about, you know, living in a simulation, you know, that that literally, not figuratively,

but full on that we are here because of some alien race that, that, you know, we are their simulation. They've created. So we look at that and we look at a couple other paradigms and with new voices. So you are going to see some classic, you know, people, especially at the beginning. There's a little quote that we have from Travis Walton and David. David Foley, the actor, commune, he's in it as well. But, yeah, so we basically branch out and present all these options and you decide for yourself. No, that's awesome.

And I'm kind of wondering, too, well, let me go back first to the list of people that you kind of mentioning there, Dave Foley, Travis Walton. Who kind of surprised you? I know Nick Pope is in this as well. He mentioned Dr. Michael Masters. There's a lot of great names, a lot of great minds in this film. Who kind of surprised you when you got them to sit down and talk about the subject matter for the alien perspective? By the time you were done with them, we were like, wow, I didn't expect it to go that way, but I'm actually really happy you did go that way. I would say the biggest one was, so this is 2019.

I'm at the International UFO Congress Convention, and I see this guy, and he's got his table, and he's selling his first book. And I keep walking by him as I'm trying to get some other, you know, luminaries in the, in the UFO space that are there, get them recorded. And I finally walk by like the second or third day. And I go, dude, what's your deal? And he says, well, I think they're from the future. And I said, okay, huh, what is your background? This goes, well, I'm an anthropological biologist at a Montana Tech. And I go, you want to unpack that for me on camera?

Sure, man. That's Michael Masters. So we go out and I put him in front of the camera and this guy is a machine. He's enlightening me, blowing my mind away. And what was really cool about Michael is, first of all, for me to do these documentaries, I've done documentaries for Annie, Bravo, Discover, etc. I wanted to approach this as here is a premium documentary. That's a science documentary.

But the reason why I do documentaries is that I'm interested. in that conversation. And so I come at it not from someone who's particularly not just a fanboy of the phenomenon, but also as someone who's trying to connect and make it visceral for myself and others. And so we got a chance to kind of spar on this. And so as an example, I said to him, I go, hey, how come everyone talks about hybrids with gray aliens? No one talks about reptilians, reptilian hybrids. What is that about?

And he says, oh, that's interesting because it comes back to his point even more so, that we can't mate with primates on this planet that come from this planet. The idea that another being would come from another planet and genetically have enough that we could do that if you're going along with the hybrid theories, right? is a big ask. And so if they are us from the future, then they would be sharing most of our DNA or all of it. And so it would make sense.

So it was this fun kind of, you know, getting in there and kicking the tires, so to speak. And then the other person who really influenced me was Leslie Kane. Interviewing her, she was terrific, and she showed great passion for people who are experiencers as well. But she said something to me that completely, it basically took six months out of my life. And what that was is after I interviewed her, I was leaving, she says, hey, you're not going to have a host on this thing. Are you like an on-camera host who's going from place to place and like following Doc?

And I go, well, I was thinking about that because that's an opportunity to have a name maybe come in. But I don't know. And she goes, you're not going to have a narration, are you? And I go, well, that's a tool that we use is doing documentaries. So I don't know, maybe. And then I'm starting to leave out the door. And she says, you're not going to be in it, are you? Oh, no.

And I go, well, I kind of have a history with this with my first film and how that was the gateway into this, but I'm not counting on it. But yeah. And so COVID hits. And I start editing the first episode, the first movie. and I'm and I tried to do it my way and I and I write out this script of a host and everything and I realize okay I'm I'm I'm putting myself back in lanes that other people have done and had done you know really you know well and I need to find a new lane on this you know this freeway if you will and so I pulled all that out and now I'm like okay now I have to like double my efforts to be more inventive to come out with a narrative a structure that has the material and the people that I'm talking to speak for themselves and have it also progress.

So it's structured. And so I came up with this idea of these sections, these chapters. And that unlocked everything, but it took me six months of putting together all of these separate pieces and then going, okay, how does this puzzle fit? And all of a sudden it was a thorough line and boom, boom, boom, it all came out. So Leslie Kane gets credit for pushing me to go beyond what I thought the doc was capable of. It's fantastic. And it's always such a great feeling like when it comes together and you think, well, yeah,

I didn't see it kind of going that way, but here we are. Actually, on that note, I know sometimes it's hard, right? You start a project and you have a few things in mind. You have like questions or interviews or maybe even some answers you're hoping to get. Is there anything that kind of eats away at you now that the film is out, right? And it's, again, great job. Congratulations on it, the alien perspective. of, you catch it streaming, download it.

It's, it was there something that kind of sticks in your mind, though, where you say, man, I really wish I could have added this from that person or kept this part in, but I just, I had to take it out because it wasn't flowing like I thought it was going to. Yeah, the, uh, the worst part, this was devastating, actually. Oh, no. I mean, dude, I could take every single interview and I could literally publish it as being these one hour episodes or podcasts. And there's, there was so much.

from the people who are bringing it for the doc. But the darling that I had to sacrifice is to kill your darlings when you're making, you know, any film. There's scenes that you've got to take out of stuff, et cetera. I had interviewed Paul Heinek, which he's still in the doc. I think he's in part two as well, about his father and about Sakaro, New Mexico. Now, one thing that I wanted to do that had never been done before, that I was very, very excited about taking on was bringing on an animator to do reenactments. Now, I did like 20 years of crime shows, and you're always forced with trying to find an actor that kind of looks like the person was.

And maybe if it's 20 years ago, they got to look like them, what they were back then, and hopefully they can act. And it just becomes this dodgy thing where the audience is going, oh, okay, here, you know, cue the reenactment. And I thought, how do I escape that and come out in a way that is more dynamic? But I can actually see what that person looked like back then. And anyway, so I went after the animation director of the Academy Award-winning documentary searching for Sugarman, Arvid Steen. And I had a 45-minute conversation. It was supposed to be five minutes through Vimeo. So I was just supposed to do it, like I said, a brief conversation with Arvitt.

And then Arvid said, no, I need to do this. And so he came on board. And so he did a reenactment of, um, of, uh, of, uh, Lonnie Zamora. Wow. And the whole going out on the ridge in New Mexico in 1964 and seeing, you know, the craft there. And so we literally have that. And I'm going to have to put that on some bonus features or something down

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grainy flare footage of it moving. And then, you know, to me, what's been more visceral has been the audio of these guys who are going, oh my God, gosh, look at that thing. It's rotating. That to me is always really powerful, but I wanted to take that and put images to it. So now you're actually able to see it for the first time. I showed it to Sean Cahill, who was the chief petty officer, who was the first one to see it the night before the Tic Tac event. He got binoculars and saw it with his naked eyes. And he's animated in it and showed it to him. And he goes, oh, my God, dude, you just took me back there. This is it and loved it. And so I talked to Lou Elizondo yesterday and I'm sending him that clip as well. So I do that. And I also do the UK's

Roswell, I do Rendell Schum Forrest case. That's also animated with Jim Penniston. So it's, those were things that I wanted to do to really take you inside and have you experience this like you haven't experienced beforehand. I love it actually. I'm glad you brought up

Rendell Shim and Jim Penning's thing because I wanted to ask you about that. And I just want to commend you on the animation decision because it looks great. And a filmmaker that I've enjoyed in the past is Billy Corby. cocaine cowboys and some of the different films he's come out with.

And I've seen that technique, unless you knew copy to anybody, right? Like that was saying, I've seen the animation technique, like with some of his stuff. And I just think it really adds, like, a really cool element. So the way you were able to use that with David Frazier's story and the TikTok, it was awesome. So I just welcome you on that. Oh, thank you, brother. I appreciate that.

Yeah, it's, you know, I'm a little dyslexic. And so for me, there's auditory information you can get, and then there's visual. And so I really need. needed to visualize and conceptualize it. And finally, I was able to do that and, and, you know, share that with, um, with people. But, um, yeah, and then my, my fantastic sound designer, uh, um, uh, Darren, uh, Highness, who came in and just crushed it. So you hear the sounds.

I mean, it's, it's got a 5.1 mix. It's, it's amazing. Oh, that's great. And so on Randall Shim Forrest, like you mentioned, Jim Penningston, um, he doesn't do a lot of interviews. I've seen a few with him. was it hard to get him to sit down? Was he a little hesitant about it?

How did that go for you? Man, that was a whole other challenge. Yeah, so a lot of times what you do is like we have Michooio Calcoe. Brilliant. You know, one of the purveyors of the string theory and we've all seen him on shows. And just recently, when I first interview him for this documentary, he had not done any things in this space. So this was a groundbreaking for him to do that. So I have his first interview in this.

In order to get to him, I get turned down. You get turned down all the time. And then you go, okay, I'll try someone who knows him. Or maybe you interview someone who knows him. Like Diana Posulka is going to be in part two. And so to get her, I kind of went through Leslie Kane. So it's kind of like this. You need gateways.

You need people who you just keep hammering them. You can't take no for an answer. And so with regards to Penniston, I knew a couple of people who knew him. And so the first person tried, it didn't stick. And then the second person tried. And then it was like, all right, well, I'm going to be in Henderson, Nevada. At a convention there, I'll have, you know, two and a half hours that we can get it. So I race there.

I rent a room and a hotel. I break it apart, literally to put the backdrop and everything and get them in there. And that was an interview that. that blew me away. I mean, we have each interview, my goal was that, yes, I'm trying to create something where people don't have to be terribly by UFO curious, if you will. So it's for people who aren't, you know, fully ensconced in this, but it's also got to service us, people who are in the UFO community who want something new.

So every episode or, you know, the first film has about three mic drops that you have not seen before. And the one with Peniston, he's also in part two. He dropped some stuff that we haven't seen before. But for him, because I've done these crime shows, when I'm interviewing victims of crimes or cops who come across scenes or shootouts or whatever, I try to take them back there. And I did a sense memory exercise with Peniston. And I said to him, okay, this is the day after Christmas. winter you're in the UK it's got to be cold as hell right he says oh yeah and I said so there's

due on the branches and on the leaves and all of a sudden he like goes into a fugue state and he says I'm there and I go oh so you're starting to see the visualization and he goes no no no Dean I am there right now more than anything that I've ever experienced that is a memory that that I'm now connected to And so I try to avoid that. But I am here right now. And his eyes were welling up. And he said, this is what it's like. And said, it's, it's, I'm feeling it.

I'm feeling like I'm walking through water, waiting through water, even though it's the woods. I feel this slow kind of pushing. I feel this. I mean, he just, again, for me, I want all the senses. I want, is there a smell? Is it this or that? Take us there. And so, um, he did that.

And at one point we cut, you know, for a moment for him to kind of collect himself. But yeah. So, no, I was very grateful for him to do that. And I got to ask, you know, questions and stuff that he, you know, hopefully has never been asked before. Yeah, which is tough. And you kind of nailed on something there where you said, you know, presenting things that to the UFO community to surprise them or something they've never heard before, which is extremely difficult to do. So kudos because it sounds like, you know, you're able to do that in some cases, especially with Jim Penningston and Rendlesham Forest.

It's one of the cases to me personally. That's how I actually started UAP was back in July of 2021. My very first episode was on Rendezer's and Forest. I just think it's such a fascinating case. It's when you talk about evidence, like if you were going to present a UAP case, UFO case, citing in any type of experience in court. I would take Reynolds from Forest because it has so much evidence with it. Did you find that when you were kind of digging into it a little bit more?

Maybe you even learned some more details about it. Yeah, I did. There's a couple stories of what the vehicle looked like when he came upon it and how it was sitting above the forest floor. Without giving too much away, he divulged another aspect of it. when he went back and could see it. And so that was, that was kind of mind blowing. And then I got to animate that so you can actually see it. But that case to me is, yeah, one of the staple cases. I point to a few cases. That's one of them, Tick-Tac, obviously. The other one is aerial school.

Yes. Yes. Which, yeah. So here's the thing. This start out being one documentary, like I said. It always starts off that way, right? Just one thing. Yeah, then it became two documentaries, and it became three. At one point, it was four documentary or four, yeah, documentary features. And all under the alien perspective, guys. And then I realized that it felt like some of these needed to be their own thing. Because you have to be very cognizant as a filmmaker that you don't want to be jumping around

and have one aspect of it be too much, you know, against the other. There has to be some sense of a continuity. And so it became four documentaries. Wow. It became the Alien Perspective, and then the Alien Perspective Part 2, which should drop around May. And then one of them became the John Mack story. And so that's a documentary.

That's a separate documentary. That's the John Mack story. And then the other one, which is just insane, is called them the experiencers. And that is literally all about the experiencers and these two sisters that no one has seen before who shared this experience that is unreal, like amazing.

And we videotaped it like real time as they went under for the first time. I don't want to give too much away. But it's kind of like, it was funny, I was interviewing Yvonne Smith. And Yvonne's, you know, I told I go, why am I here? Why am I taking seven years of my life?

have to do this. What's up with this? Because I've not seen anything. I'm not an experiencer in any way that I'm aware of. And she just laughed at me and said, Dean, they don't need to knock on your door to influence you, you know, as a filmmaker. And so that was kind of one aspect of it, which was, you know, am I being, you know, channeled? A lot of times I did feel like my job was to get out of the way of this and just be a button pusher, you know. Yeah. That's really interesting. interesting actually. And I want to kind of touch on that a little bit, but I'd be remiss if I didn't go back to Jim Penningston for just a second because when you mentioned him almost going in, for lack of a better term, and almost into like a hypnotic state, even though he was lucid and still talking to you and didn't, you know, fall asleep or anything like that. But going into the state where he was there, but also with you, talking with you, he knew he's in the room, but he was also still somehow back in Rendlesham Forest. Have you ever experienced anything like that with an interview? Did you feel like when you were there with him in the room that he somehow still has a telepathic connection of some sort that draws him back there in some type of supernatural way?

Because I've never heard that. I've never heard that before from him. I've never experienced that before. And I've done probably a thousand interviews in my life. Never, ever once have I ever experienced that. I mean, he literally had to explain it to me what was going on with him. Wow. And I'm like, oh, my God, okay, well, you know, we'll continue doing that.

I mean, the closest that comes to my mind, I don't know if you ever saw the movie, The Dead Zone, Christopher Walken, where he's touching someone or he's at the place, and all of a sudden he is literally there. And yet he's talking to you and saying, I'm seeing this and I'm seeing that. That would be the closest. Yeah, it was wild, man. It was wild. Amazing.

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find your purpose in it as you're making these films. And so I wanted to ask you on that note, what did lead you to ultimately make this decision? Because in the past, when it came to you know, the McPherson tapes and things like that where people actually thought it was real, almost like an Orson Welles type of situation there. What ultimately led you to come back and say, you know what, I do need to dig into these things? Yeah.

Well, the reason why I made the McPherson tape was I had dropped out of my second film school and I had to make my first film by 25 because Spielberg and Scorsese, Orson Wales, all my idols had done that. And I had a buddy of mine that said, look, I got $6,500. And I said, you know, good for you. That's like craft service for a movie.

I can't do anything with that. I can do a home video. Ha, ha, ha. And then I read Communion, Willie Streber's book. And I went, oh, my God, I want to capture this as a filmmaker. How would I do that? What is even, how would you even approach that narrative? And that's when I hit on the idea of doing a home video where a family gets a

kind of like the Kelly Hobskinville's case and and capture that real time as it was happening, do it all in one night and one take. And so it was just this natural thing that kind of came. I was reading that material and needed to, you know, the necessity of being creative. And so that's how this thing came about. And again, it was 10 years before Blair Witch. And so at the time it came out, it was ridicule. I mean, I remember I met with a distributor and she yelled at me to get the hell out of her office.

Oh, no. Yeah. She said, don't come back here unless you have a real movie. Wow. She screamed at me. And I thought, oh, wow, okay. And then I got it distributed and the distribution company, I called them a couple of months after. I said, how are the presales going?

And he goes, it's on, it's gone up and smoke. Wow. And I go, wow, it's on fire? Like how many units? And he goes, no, no, no. Dean, the warehouse that we had. your master, our distribution warehouse burned to the ground. It is gone. Oh, man. I'm like, dude, are you serious? And he goes, yeah. And he says, yeah, your artwork and

everything. I'm like, God damn it. Well, that's the filmmaking God saying, move on, kid. Wow. And so I did. And then five years later, I get a call from this guy who just came back from the International UFO Congress Convention saying, do you know about this footage? It was found. I go, what are you talking about? He says, this family had died. I go, yeah, yeah, we made it. he goes, okay, do you know what's happened to it? I'm like, dude, who are you? And he says, well, it was shown that the convention as being the real thing. And the lieutenant colonel, Lieutenant Colonel, Don Ware, Air Force claimed it was authentic. And I, you know, I was laughing. I didn't intend that to be the case. I wasn't hoaxing anyone. And he said, unsolved mysteries,

hard copy and a fox shell called encounters. They all want to do a piece on this. And so I said, you know, we can't do unsolved mysteries because the mystery is solved. And he actually said, Well, not necessarily. And I go, yeah, dude, it's not called solved mysteries. But I went and debunk the film. And so it just stayed with me. And then for the 25th anniversary, I was invited to go back out to the UFO Congress. And then that's when I started meeting people and got to know the UFO community up close.

Before then, I was kind of like an armchair, not really an expert, a prosumer maybe, tracking the phenomenon. But meeting these people, it was like, okay, there's a story. here. There's something that I haven't seen here in it, and I haven't seen it done in the way that I would like to see it. Because I'm also an independent filmmaker. I wanted to have it have a cinematic look. And so it was all these kind of things that were coming together, lining up. If one of these things doesn't happen, you know, we're not talking right now. So it was this weird synchronicity journey that I was put on. Yeah, that's really interesting because the McPherson tapes, that came out in 1998, correct?

89. Oh, an 89. Okay. I get a remake. Well, you're close because I did a remake. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking about. Okay.

Yeah. Because right, right. Okay. So I didn't know if I got my numbers inverted. That's what I was thinking about there was the remake. So you have that. And then you end up going to this meeting. And because of the original film, you know, meeting all these people, which now brings

about the alien perspective film. So it is, it is kind of like a weird synchronicity. One thing against the other, kind of like the domino. effect. Yeah. And again, you're not aware of these things when they happen. It just keeps going and going and you're, you decide to, you know, at some point, climb in board and buckle up. I do want, yeah, and I do want to mention too, because it's, I shouldn't gloss over it. It's the found footage. And I love that term, the found footage kind of style of movie making. Because when people think about found footage

if you don't know what that is. I mean, it's really what it sounds like. You know, you're watching a movie and it makes it look like someone was recording the actual event on a camcorder. And so when someone thinks about that, they think about the Blair Witch project, which like you said, came out after yours. So when you saw Blair Witch,

did you kind of think, hey, like, I did that? Or was it something where it was like, oh, cool, like somebody else's was doing something that I started? No, I thought hey, I'm calling my lawyers and I'm suing these bastards. I want 10% and because I'm going to control a whole new narrative in filmmaking and it's mine and I try to copyright. No.

That would be a good story though. My first reaction was, oh, damn, I should have submitted my film to the festivals. But here's the thing. It's good to be ahead of your time. It's just not good to be a decade ahead of your time. So what they did with the genre, I thought was terrific. I got a little dizzy because it was really handheld to like rub in your face. Look, we're handheld.

This is real. People don't usually hold a camera. They usually know how to hold it somewhat steady. But where they went with it and going forward where other people have made great movies in that space, I find that there's still opportunities of freshness. You know, there's certain things that have become tropes now. And so, like, if someone sees my movie or the remake Alien Abduction Instant Lake County, the UPN movie, they'll go, oh, I've seen that thing before. And then if they dig deeper, they realize, oh, this was the first one to do that.

But no, when I saw the Blair Witch Project, I was like, oh, damn. In fact, a little funny story here is when we went to shoot Alien Abduction Incent, Lake County, we were up in Vancouver shooting it. And my budget, instead of 6,500, which is what the first one was down for, my budget was $1.25 million. And because we're shooting in Vancouver, it's like closer to $1.7 million. And I had my first anxiety attack because I don't know how to spend that. It's like, instead of one night, we have a week to do it.

And I'm like, get the guys. Let's get the guys from the X-Files. I don't blow through some cash. So we got them. We still came in half a million under budget. Wow. But while we were up shooting, everyone at UPN got fired. Oh, no.

Yeah. So I come back and my partner, Paul Chitlick and I come back and we're like, hey, guys, what's up? And we find out that they screened because we did a quick two-week first cut and we screened it for Dean Valentine and his new regime that came in there. And they were throwing food at the screen saying what the hell did this former regime do? green lighting, a film shot digitally, what's digital, 20 minute takes, no name actors, people talking over each other, what the hell? Thank God we're here to save the network. So they cut it down to an hour. Oh, wow. And they release it, and it gets in the highest ratings for a Tuesday prime time slot. There you go. So they put more footage in and aired again. It does even better. And then Dean

Valentine was heard, I was told secondhand that he said, all right, that thing will never be on this damn network again. And then a year later, Blair Witch comes out. And that's when we had our, you know, we were exonerated where they said, well, maybe these guys were on to something. So anyway. And then you have other movies like Cloverfield, kind of like that found footage. Yes.

And then you have films that aren't found footage, but are very similar to yours like science, which, you know, you've got a family who, one of the spouses recently deceased, they get attacked. They're out in the woods. one of the aliens are seen climbing into the window, all these things. So not that I'm accusing an M-night, shallem and a ding-dong of, as Quentin Tarantino calls him. But it's kind of out there. There's going to be some overlap.

Yeah, absolutely. No, I think it's fascinating. Just the whole, the style of the filmmaking. I actually enjoy that style. So kudos for kind of coming up with that. So they do think it's great. before we're done here Dina, wondering through the process, how did you find yourself changing as far as narratives in your own mind,

ideas or maybe even some preconceived notions that you had coming into at the start of production and writing to where you reach the end, maybe even a finish line, so to speak, if there is one, and think it to yourself, wow, you know what, my outlook on XYZ has actually really changed through all this. Well, as anyone that's been in the UFO field for a long time, you have moments where you're like, all right, I'm done. I've said everything I can. I'm not really feel like I'm learning anything more because you learn, you know, after a while, you learn that it's all the above and it's none of the above. And so you take many breaks from it, but I find that I keep getting pulled in because some fresh new aspect of it comes on the scene.

And so there's a chord, I think, that's attached to, you know, my soul or creative muse with the phenomenon. And so it's been good to me, so I, you know, learned, respect that. But yeah, I mean, I know that more than a third of the IP that I create, whether it's scripted or not, is sci-fi. and I've got a couple projects that I'm hoping to do shortly that are UFO-based. Even as an exercise, the last time I had COVID, I wrote a sequel to Close and Kinders of the Third Kind. Nice. And I don't have the rights to it, so I can't really do anything with it. But I wrote this thing, and it was a fun exercise to be in it.

So I guess it's in my DNA. You know, I've done westerns. I've done different genres and stuff, but this just seems to be the thing that is my happy place, I guess. Yeah, keep coming back to it. I was actually going to ask, what is there, is there a project? Is there a figure, a story that you're kind of really itching to go after and profile in a future project? Yeah. So I've got two projects that will be done scripted, not including the other three documentaries

that are going to be wrapping up post this year. One of them is about an abducte who is a musician, and that's a dark comedy. The other one is it's a little bit like a rival. And, you know, I'm editorializing this. How much should I give away? But I can tell you it's about a hypnotherapist. And so I'm always looking for interesting gateways into the genre and then presenting ideas. You know, sci-fi writers are the precursor to a lot of, you know, technology.

Sure. And so there's certain things that I've written that I've talked to other people about. And they said, oh, yeah, that's also a facet of the phenomenon. I'm like, what? Amazing. And so it kind of feeds both. I'm curious, too, through the timeline, right, seven years, this ended up being a seven-year journey for you to make the alien perspective and the subsequent follow-ups that you weren't

really intending on, but it just kind of turned out that way. And through that time, a lot has changed, Dean. I mean, if we're going back, you know, 2017, 2018, you have the original Leslie Keene article in the New York Times that comes out. We have the disclosures through COVID. We have Lou Elizando come out. We have, you know, Ryan Graves and David Fravor and the TikTok story come out.

So through all of that, as you were going through this journey of seven years to make the alien perspective, how do you see now the current landscape from where you started seven years ago to where we are now as far as maybe being somewhere near a disclosure type of event for society where some actual news comes out for people to say this is really what's going on?

Well, there was an example of that, like Leslie Kane, I showed her last month I showed her the episode. And she saw it and she dug it. And she said it's interesting because she talks about crash retrieval material. And she said at the time it was avant-garde for her to be talking about it. but now it's not as much. So it was kind of prescient what she was saying. And so, you know, Douglas Trumbull,

who did the special effects for not only 2001 Space Odyssey, but for close encounters and Blade Runner. I got him interviewed. I did his last interview. Or he passed away. And he talks about his technology, which was this platter system that he developed and was continuing to pioneer

with Mark De Antonio astronomer. And that was to be able to track UAPs. And so since then, Avi, you know, Loeb, the Galileo project and everything, they're doing that, but he was the godfather of this. And so we get to hear the inception of how it came about and what it will eventually do, that it still hasn't 100% done yet. So, in fact, this film's dedicated to Doug Trumbull, this movie. So with regards to you're asking about where this is leading to, I know these drones, dude.

It's a weird, really weirdness. So I will tell you that November 29th on the deck in my Silver Lake apartment, my girlfriend and I looked out and saw seven drones. Really? Flying around. And because I'm a filmmaker, I use drones all the time to get shots, but we only use one drum. We don't use two or three or let alone. 7. Sure. And so I videotaped

it and captured this and didn't think anything of it. It was just kind of interesting that there were all these scenes. Then it would they would like go from green, red blue and then it would kind of flare out become super bright and then go back. And so I thought these helicopters

and is that a search light? What is going on here? Wow. And then December 15th comes Jersey and everyone's talking about these drones. And so I went back and looked at it and I went, oh my God, this is the same thing. And so my daughter, and you're in California, right? I'm in Cali, yeah. And so my daughter who knows much more about TikTok than I do, she goes, Dad, let's put it up and, you know, see what the reaction is. And if there's

other people, and we put her up there and it's been blowing up. If anyone wants to see it, it's on my company Captured Pictures official is the TikTok handle. And by the way, people can reach me at on Instagram at Dena Ato. But anyway, we put it up there. We put it up in like three or four segments. And the response has been really interesting. Some people go, well, it's airplanes. And I'm like, okay, well, L-A-X is certainly next to us.

But they would be going like this. And these aren't. They're curving and they're kind of hovering, hanging and moving. And so it's all about the behavior. So I just did a podcast with Dave Foley. And we were asked that. talking about it. We were both kind of like, you know, Dave was opining. Are they coming from, you know, are they setting something up? Is something coming? I mean, the thing that's most

disconcerned is the government's reaction to this has been really, dare I say, feeble. It's very nonchalant. Yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, they're not us, could be others, but it is almost like it is what it is. And it's like, no, no, no. If we can, you know, shoot down drones, you know, when the Israeli, you know, what was going on when they were being bombarded, we took out 99%. Why can't we deal with this? If there's something else that explains it, but supposedly they've been blocking other technology. Supposedly someone set the drone up to go there and it was like literally the juice was cut off and it dropped. And also the lights have gone off in these drones. And so it's, you know, I don't want to speculate too much that, you know, this is a

of something to come. But the fact is, it's Jersey, it's Langley that they were over, and some other important, you know, bases and stuff. You know, Los Angeles, I don't know what, what is here. We're an extra big reservoir. I don't know. But it is, it is strange. That's really interesting. I mean, I'm going to blame you for this, Dean. I was going to wrap up the interview. Now you've opened up a whole new can of worm. We're going to go another hour about drones. I'm kidding. That's interesting, though. Have you talked about that before? I mean, because that goes back, you know, like you said, a couple weeks before New Jersey. That sounds like a pretty incredible sighting. No, I just, it's, again, I haven't had any experiences beforehand. So I'm,

everything I do, I kind of joke that I'm not going to be an easy hookup. So it's like you're going to have to whine and dine me and we're going to have to do a few dates before I trust you as being the gospel truth. Right. That's how I am about the phenomenon. It's like, I won't go until I've kicked the tires. And so this in the context, I mean, it was just weird. And I kept going, well, I have seen, you know, craft like that before. So it must just be this thing. But again, you know, a month later, seeing these drones in Jersey, to be honest, it spooked me.

Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean, you'll see when you look at the footage. Yeah. It's, it's, it's kind of crazy. I don't, I don't know. If it was a one-off, that would be one thing, but the fact that it keeps happening, and it seems to be happening other places in the world, yeah, I guess the word is spooky, but I don't, I can't render a final judgment on it,

other than it's not normal. Yeah, for sure. Did you ever see it again or was it just, just that one night? Just that one night. I keep looking out there. Yeah. Just no. They went, hey, we gave you a show.

There you go. Be happy with that. Don't be greedy. Yeah. Well, Dean, this has been a fantastic time. I really appreciate you coming on to UIP here today. So before we go, though, where can everybody find the alien perspective? How do they find you?

Follow you. Follow the film. Make sure that they're seeing this. Sure. It'll be on Amazon and it'll be on Apple TV. and also you can reach me on Instagram at Dean Alliotto. I'm also on Facebook. I'm on Twitter X under Dean Aliotto, usual social media.

But that's where I'll do be posting updates and stuff and follow-ups. That's fantastic. Dean, thanks so much for doing this. Great job. Kudos. Congratulations on the film. It was a long journey. So thank you for coming on here to UAP.

And hopefully we can talk again soon. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely, Stephen. And when we drop the second one, hopefully we'll come back and do your show if you'll have me. Absolutely. I plan on being here, so we can catch up again then. Right on. Thank you, Stephen.

Thanks a lot. Thanks again to Dean for joining the show and for doing that. It was really, really fun. I really enjoyed speaking with him. Great guy. And like I said, earlier, super knowledgeable on the subject. And just a lot of fun talking about, you know, the movie subject in general, really, too. I'm kind of a movie nerd myself.

So just to talk about his films and his... his filmmaking techniques, I found all that fascinating. And also to put it together with what he learned, leading all the way up to making the alien perspective. And how his earlier career has led up to this moment. That domino effect was really cool to learn about. And I can't wait to watch it, especially when it comes to the Jim Penningston part. My goodness, that sounded incredible. And how he really kind of like almost transported himself to Rendell Shum Forrest.

Like he said, Jim said, know, he was there, almost like going to this hypnotic state a little bit. So that's super fascinating. I thought that was incredible to hear. So I can't wait to see the film. Hopefully, hopefully you all like it as well. The alien perspective is out right now. And again, congrats to Dean for putting that together. And I'll definitely have him on again in the future because he has all those sequels coming out along with it. And I can definitely relate to what he was saying when it comes to, you know, you have one thing in mind when you go to start a project. and then all of a sudden you start to uncover, you know, a million other things after that, and you start to think to yourself, well, geez, I can't fit all this in.

This subject alone is worthy of its own presentation. I can't even count it. That's happened to be a million times while making UAP episodes. So I absolutely relate to what he was saying there. So again, kudos to him for putting this all together. Seven years is a long time to work on a project and looking forward to seeing that and wish him all the success with the film and the subsequent sequels. talk to him again in the future on all that.

But I did find it really interesting. Oh, and also real quick, before I finish my thoughts on that interview and give a couple of other notes before we're done here today, I should point out that I spoke to him before the fire is broke out in Los Angeles, in Southern California. Dean is in California. I must admit, I don't know exactly where he lives. I don't know if he's in Southern California. hopefully for his sake and his family's sake, you know, he's north of the fires.

But when he and I spoke, I would have absolutely brought that up to him, you know, wishing him and his family's safety throughout all of this. But we actually ended up speaking on Tuesday. We actually recorded this interview. It was Tuesday morning. And then a few hours later, really Tuesday afternoon-ish, the fires ended up breaking out throughout Southern California. So if that was in the back of your head and you're wondering, gee, you know, I wonder why they're not talking about this. It literally was hours before

that news started coming out and everybody started seeing what was happening there. So, again, Dean, I hope he's not in the way of that and I hope him and his family are okay. So thoughts with them and prayers with everybody who's been affected by this. It's just, I'm just like you. It's been the one of the most surreal things I've ever seen in my entire life to watch these fires as they've happened throughout Southern California and Los Angeles and the surrounding areas. My gosh, it's truly, truly unbelievable in every sense of the words. So my heart goes out to everybody affected by these. And my prayer is absolutely, everybody affected by it is absolutely in my prayers.

So especially some people in my own family, unfortunately, who I have family living out there and they've been affected by it. They're okay, but unfortunately their property is not. So very, very tough scenes for sure. So hopefully Dean and his family are Kaye through it all as well. I should reach out to him to make sure of that as well. So on the note of the interview, though, I did find it very interesting when it comes to what he said on the drone situation. Just to touch on that real quick. I wasn't even planning to ask him about that.

It just kind of came up in our conversation. And it was really intriguing to hear his own observations. on that living in California. He saw that happen right outside his own home before they started getting seen in New Jersey. So really intriguing there. And it leads me to the point that it's still going on. The drone sightings in New Jersey and elsewhere, by the way, I'll mention that in a second before we're done, are still going on. It's just they're not being reported in the news anymore.

It's not the sexy story, so to speak. anymore in the national news media. So they kind of stopped reporting on it. Just but please know that just because they stopped reporting on it, it doesn't mean the sightings and the reports have stopped. They absolutely have not. People are still talking about it. People are still seeing them.

People are still putting up their videos and having these unexplained drones, air quotes, flying over their properties or homes or just seeing them over the sky, in the skies in general. And it is very interesting to note that people continue to see them in the New Jersey area specifically because remember around Christmas time they put in the bands on flying these things well those bands have not affected the sightings at all because the sightings are still happening over restricted areas and over different parts of New Jersey and like I said throughout Europe I want to mention Europe specifically on this because there were reports of a drone swarm

over Denmark a few days back. And I'm getting reports from a contact in Germany who wishes to remain nameless, which, you know, I always respect that, that these things are being seen. And again, this is not being reported at all, like at all. Germany is keeping this very hush-hush for whatever reason. But they're having similar incursions to what we saw here in New Jersey and what the UK was seeing as well, meaning over-sensitive installations.

military bases, things of that nature. It's also happening in Germany. And that is very, very newsworthy. And it's not something that was just, you know, like happening last month. It's a current event that is going on over the skies of Germany, over some sensitive installations.

According to the reports I was getting out of there, they're calling them almost daily incidents at different military installations, including a large ammunition depot, in Dorston, Germany, which is interesting to note, because that reminds me of the armory in New Jersey,

where a lot of those drones were seen flying over the Picatinny arsenal. So this very much still is a thing. I've had people ask me about that, you know, saying, hey, is this a drone thing's still going on? And the answer is yes. It's just, it's not really being spoken about

in the, you know, huge way that it was before. But for sure, it's still happening. And even reports still happening in the UK as well. You know, those incursions have been picking up too. So the fact of the head of her is whether or not they talk about it in the news, it's still going on. And there still aren't very good answers for it. There was just, well, it's not this. It's not that. Okay, then what is it? And those answers still are not being given. So I will absolutely continue to keep an eye on this because it continues to be a pretty big issue,

for sure. And one last note before we go and let you know what's coming up next week on UAP, because I'm super excited, very, very excited for what's happening next week. But before I give you that information, I want to give a shout out to someone named Laura. And I'm not going to give any last names or anything like that or particulars of the message that I got. But I just want to, you know, because that would be betraying trust. I don't want to go into a deeply personal email. But shout out to Laura because it was an email that I received over Christmas break. And it was extremely moving.

touching, again, without giving any details, because I don't want to betray that trust. It was, it was, the information was given to me from, from Laura, that I was able to, through the show, through UAP, help her through some pretty tough times, which is incredible. You know, I never expected when I started UAP three years ago now, almost three and a half years ago that I would be able to act as an outlet for somebody, to be able to act as an escape for somebody who's going through tough times in their life. And so to get a message like that, again, that was deeply personal from her, really, really touched me. And it's something that I've been reflecting on ever since. And it truly, when I tell you, it truly humbles me to hear that

from somebody. That's what I do. And this show has any type of effect. Any type of positive impact on somebody's life is really, really incredible to me. And I'm so happy that I'm able to do that, even if it wasn't something that I set out to do. And, you know, that's not saying in like a callous way, like, I don't care what anybody thinks. It's just, you know, I wanted to come on here and speak to you and give you these stories and give you the information and the details and always let you make up your own mind about what's going on. and I never thought about that that could have such an impact on somebody. I don't know. Maybe I'm just naive about myself or too humble.

I don't know, but I'm just very happy that I've been able to have an impact like that for someone and for specifically Laura. So shout out to her. I just wanted her to know that I saw that message and it really meant a lot. And I'm really, really happy that I've been able to have a positive impact on your life during a very, very tough time. So hopefully, if she's listening, thank you, Laura, and God bless you.

And to anybody else, hopefully I've had positive impact on it, somebody else as well. And if that's the case, I thank you for that, and it's my pleasure to do so. But I'll end on this note, what to look forward to for next week on UAP. How about Ashton Forbes? Or good buddy, Ashton Forbes,

who continues to make waves, that is for sure. His waves have only gotten bigger and bigger and louder and louder as they crash on the shore of the UAP and UFO community. So looking forward to speaking with Ashton Forbes Next week You're gonna hear from him right here on the show So absolutely excited about that And possibly some other really exciting stuff as well

I don't want to give it out just yet Because it's not 100% confirmed But I'm pretty confident So as soon as I get 100% confirmation on that I'll put the word out But some good stuff coming next week on UAP And hopefully you enjoy that And hopefully you've enjoyed this

On Episode 102 of the Unidentifement The Fight Alien Podcast. So until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here on UAP, saying thank you again so much for all that you do for listening to the show. So happy that you continue to download it and subscribe and find it where we get your podcasts. Until next time, thanks again. Talk to you soon right here on UAP.