UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 104 Ashton Forbes part 2: The Science of Disclosure

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

Stephen Diener and Ashton Forbes finish their conversation as they look into questions surrounding the Cybertruck bomber, the possibilities of other MH370 type incidents we aren't being told about, and does science need to catch up for us to understand disclosure? And make sure to stick around to the end of the episode, you won't want to miss that info...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's about continuing the story. explore your options at kingsley manor.org, a nonprofit month-to-month senior community within the Front Porch family. Welcome back in to UAP episode 104. Stephen Dean are back with you here as always on the Unidentified Alien podcast. And happy to be back because we get to finish off my conversation with the one and only Ashton Forbes. And boy, can I tell you, wow, before we get into part two and finish off this conversation. I've received some heat before for different things, criticisms, scathing remarks, whatever you want to call it. I've seen it all.

I've had it all. And it's, you know, it is what it is. It comes with the territory. And as much as I'm grateful for all the positive and amazing, uplifting messages and feedback that I get and have gotten over the past few years, there are those instances where you come across some real negativity of. there. And when I tell you, the amount of heat that I have gotten just for daring to speak with Ashton Forbes, how dare you speak with that charlatan? It's been wild. And listen, think of what ever you want of the guy, okay? I always say it's up to you. I leave it up to you. And whether it's a case that we talk about, the details in it, or whether or not you like the person I'm

talking to. It's always up to you. So, Hopefully, even if you are on the side of you don't like Ashton Forbes or you think he's all these different things, hopefully you still have at least given this a chance to hear how the conversation went, to hear what he had to say, to hear how it is presented. Because I do ask him actually in this part two, why in his estimation does he think people find him to be a bad person? I ask him that straight up in this part two of the interview And he answered it honestly So I just wanted to say that real quick Off the bat that man And it's not from everybody

I know a lot of you have loved it as well And I always appreciate the positive feedback And a lot of you love when I have Ashton on But there are those The loud few Or in this case maybe even more of a crowd Who make their voices heard and known When it's something they don't like

And there are definitely people who don't like Ashton Forbes for one reason or another, that is up to them. I'm not going to sit here and say why you should or shouldn't like the guy because it's always up to you. But we said it at the start of part one that he is a very polarizing figure. And he knows that. And even he said it during part one of the interview. So it's been wild, absolutely wild to see the response that the part one of our interview has gotten. So I can't wait to see how part docos now that this is. out right now. So hopefully you enjoy it. Good or bad, whether you like him or not, hopefully

you find it entertaining and at least informative in one way or another. That said, what else can you look forward to in this interview? Well, we do get into the Matthew Livellsburger situation, how that all went down with Sean Ryan and what was in that email. What did we make of it? And the entire situation, just in general, when it came to the cyber truck. And, you know, was he was Littlesburger part of some type of secret access program. So we get into that a little bit. We talk about to the incoming Trump administration,

how they might handle the, you know, advanced technology question, the UFO, the alien question. How are they going to tackle all this? And a lot has actually happened since Ashton and I spoke. Last week, I think we recorded this

on Friday last week. And, you know, again, it's splitting up into two parts. So a lot has happened just six days since he and I last spoke. I would have had a whole different set of questions for him if we were recording today, but nevertheless, we do get into how the new administration might

handle all these things happening in the UFO world. And we talk about the drone situation as well. Are we really going to see disclosure on that? So we ask those questions. And we also talk a little bit about Elon. Elon Musk. What does Elon know? Are there things that he is hiding?

And Ashton has some opinions on But overall, just I think a really fun and intriguing conversation, a lot of things to consider, as always, when you talk to Ashton, there's always a lot of things to consider after one of these conversations. So we'll start off here. Pick up right where we left off on part one, where I actually ask Ashton, as we finish up the MH370 talk before we move into those other things I just mentioned, I ask him about how he felt when he first discovered these videos and how long did it take him? to believe what he was seen. So we, in not so many words, but we start off the show that way. And then stick around for the end, because I did mention just a second ago, how much has happened in the past six days. I don't want to leave that as a vague statement.

I want to touch on the things that have happened over the past few days after the interview is over. So stick around for the conclusion of the show after Ashton and I are done talking. I'm going to touch on and update some of the big things. that have come out over the past, even the past 72 hours, Lou Elizando and Ross Colthardt and just really, things that can have major, major implications over the next couple of days that I really want to touch on before we're all done. But first, here is part two of the conclusion of my conversation with Ashton Forbes right here on UAP. Enjoy. How long did it take for you to believe this when you came across this? What is, what is Ashton Forbes initial reaction? And why did you even

decide to dig into it even more and, you know, get to where we are today. Yeah. And it's funny because I think back because my mindset's changed so much. It's hard to remember like what I felt in that moment back in August of 2023. But I remember thinking like this is impossible. What am I looking at here? Especially the part denial, right? Vanishes. Yeah. It looks like it's just being literally edited right out of the screen. And I thought, is this really edited or what have you? I mean, to be perfectly, honest with you, the zap was the hardest thing that I couldn't understand, where I thought maybe that part's fake, but maybe the rest of it was real. Early on, I thought this must be alien zapping

the plane with a thousand-year more advanced technology than what we have. And I think the first thing I started realizing the video is real when you start to see the mouse cursor on the screen in the satellite video, which is really whammy footage. And I didn't even know back then how accurate this was, but this whammy footage, they basically have a very zoomed out view of like a whole city like a huge area and they just press a button and it pulls up a window and now you have a zoomed in video view of a window of anywhere you want that can just track around that's what they're looking at in that satellite video if i had known that a year ago i'd have been known right away this video this footage is real because we actually are pretty confident now that when the cursor

goes to the top right of the screen maybe this way i don't know which one we're looking at here When the cursor goes at the top right of the screen, the video goes black and it's still recording. Everybody wondered why. Why is the video screen black like that? It's because they minimized or they closed their active window that they were recording. They were doing an active window recording. And you close that window, now it's just black. Now it's just black.

So when I saw the mouse cursor, when people figured out that there was a frame rate difference between the background, six frames per second, which is consistent with whammy footage, wide area motion imagery. Because what's happening is all these assets, the satellites, our spy planes, they're all beaming information to these ground-based computers. And then they log in using software and it creates a rendered virtual environment. That's actually what you're looking at in that whammy footage, that satellite video. So when you realize that the background is six frames per second, because it's this huge wide field of view that they have to have a low frame rate for,

And the mouse cursor coming on the screen is 24 frames per second, four times faster. That indicates that somebody's on a computer logged in to a database somewhere else. That's the reason why you have that frame rate discrepancy. To me, that was the part where I went, oh boy, nobody's ever thinking of that. Not in a million years is somebody, some board hoax are adding that into their fake video. So that was the part I got excited about it. the part that I realized we're looking at real human technology took several months after that. Really, I was like, okay, let's dig into this technology.

And you find out right away that everybody, these people have been writing papers on zero point energy. People like Hal Poodoff. People have been writing papers on warp drives and wormholes, people like Eric Davis. I didn't know who any of these people were. I didn't know. I didn't think any of that science was real. I just thought it was science fiction stuff. And you start to realize, no, like very serious people connected to the government, connected to black,

projects and operations have been writing papers about this stuff. And like I said before, it's not just there's like, it was not like there was all these answers and possibilities for how this could be possible. You start digging into the science, you realize there's only one answer, zero point energy. That's the answer to all of it that's out there. So that's when I started to realize, oh boy, these are actually real. And then the last thing I will say is that if they were real, this is possibly the only chance we're going to get to get true disclosure. Because what we saw in those videos is so far beyond what we've been getting presented in the UFO community about the aliens are coming to help us or the alien bodies this or that and you look at those

videos and you go whoa if you're hiding that if you're hiding in teleportation technology and anti-gravity technology this is way darker than saying oh we're hiding aliens from the world there's completely another level and you realize that you're not going to get leaks like this all the time. Like this is a once in a lifetime leak of this type of information that's out there. So that's what got me super into it going, this is probably the only chance we're going to get and it predates commercial AI. So for the people to say, oh, well, they used AI to make this. This is like six or seven years before commercial AI became available. That's a good point. And it's an important point to make because we think in today's terms and we forget that this was

released in 2014, right? This is about 10 and a half years ago. You reminded me of two questions that I wanted to ask you. And then I do want to get into the Sean Ryan stuff before we're done. Number one, you said it's kind of like a once-in-a-lifetime leak. So do we know of any other videos on that note that even come close to this that are out? And number two, why do you think this was even recorded to begin with? Is it just a standard operation, a military operation to record any type of operation that's happening? or was there another reason that this they would put this on film?

So the only ones close are probably those other, the gimbal and go fast, and those are nothing compared to these videos. Sure. I mean, none of those even have two different angles. But those are different circumstances. Those were videos that were recorded by people that were not really in the know what was happening. Those could have been U.S. operations, maybe. And it was, you know, random military people that were filming those.

I think the other video that I like, but again, not on the same level, is the turkey video, the one where you can like see into the craft at the distance. That's a pretty compelling video as well. Yeah. But none of these are to the level of two military videos and perfect synchronization from two different angles, at least one from a surveillance platform that nobody even knew existed. And that they both show very clearly this anomalous endothermic, cold, negative energy propulsion and this, I know a real wormhole, real wormhole, negative entropy.

Negative energy type wormhole event happening. Yeah, why recording? I think they're recording with specific intent as well. So either we are not really sure how this technology works or the technology is so exotic that we felt like we needed to record it so that we could give this information. Like the thermal video is so detailed in how the science works that they must have been giving that back to the engineers.

They must have been, here's your orb technology. This is how the wormhole works. here's the video if you want to make it better and I'd be looking at stuff like did the wormhole perfectly encapsulate the plane or did part of the plane get like broken off because the wormhole didn't really capture the whole thing things like that um also probably just information about the wind up because there's like a 20 to second to 30 second wind up with these orbs are spinning around the plane in a perfect triangle formation so I don't think it's necessarily a test but I do think that it's the type of weaponry that you use so infrequently that you need to have it recorded

so that you can show other people especially because no one's going to believe like anything like that's possible so you take some poor scientists and you're like hey it's time to brief you on the secret technology you're like I need you to watch this video and you show them that video and they go wait no that's not real and you go yeah that's real and then their mind gets blown right and they go wait what does this mean about physics if that's real and they're going to go through the same process that anybody who's watched my live streams goes through where you go okay how is that possible let's dig through the physics and you start to find out oh there's this energy all around us and if we tap into that energy we create negative energy that's what we're seeing in those videos so i again

we can only speculate i think that recording that's probably the biggest mistake the u.s military has ever made in the history of the military's existence because if somebody like me random healthcare IT guy, no physics background, no electrical engineering background, can figure all this out, then of course China and Russia have figured it out. They probably figured it out years ago. And that's the scary part because if the whole point of that operation was to prevent China from getting that technology, then by those videos leaking, you basically gave China the secrets to that technology and Russia as well.

So going to the Sean Ryan thing, now all of a sudden, this Matt Villavalsberger guy comes out and turns out this is the guy that blew up the cyber truck in front of Trump Tower in Vegas. And it seems like a really weird situation. He could have harmed way more people. He had a bomb basically of fireworks in his car. Yeah. And he's the only one that dies. And they're trying to paint this story that he's some kind of crazy guy. They magically get into his cell, his destroyed cell phone.

They get into it immediately. and leak some message from his notepad. They claim is from his notepad. And it's all about, I'm a crazy person, blah, blah, blah. And then Sean Ryan comes out January 3rd, two days later. And it was like, so this guy was messaging me and some of my, you know, associates. And he was a whistleblower. Not just a whistleblower.

He was a UFO whistleblower. Literally says he's a literal special operations drone pilot builder guy. He's been in special operations, Green Beret's whole life. And he says he's got UAP, USAP access, which is UFO unacknowledged special access program access. Yeah. And he's got like four paragraphs in this letter about China's figured out this technology. We're in an arms race with China over this drone anti-gravity drone technology. And I'm just reading it.

I'm going, wow, this like really, really lines up with the story that I've been presenting related to MH370. and this anti-gravity technology that's out there. So I think that that letter specifically deserves more scrutiny. Like, was this guy actually just a guy that lost it one day? Like literally one day just went cuckoo? Or was there some merit? Was he actually exposed to this technology? Because if you're in the UFO community and you're ignoring this guy,

like, what are you waiting for? What are you waiting to have happened? This guy, like, seems like he checks all the boxes for a UFO whistleblower in my mind. No, sure. I mean, there's so many different inconsistencies to that situation when it comes to, and just from people I've spoken to who have, you know, different levels of clearance like Livelsberger had, similar life experiences as far as, you know, being a veteran and, you know, different intelligence guys that they've spoken to who just look at the situation and they tell me this does not add up whatsoever. You know, just when you look at some of the basic stuff, when you see the Desert Eagle self-inflation,

self-inflicted gunshot wound with a 50-calibur Desert Eagle. That doesn't line up at all. I mean, some of the guys I've spoken to you know, they tell me that, first of all, a lot of veterans don't even have that gun. That's more of like a civilian trophy case gun because it's just completely impractical. And it has a major kickback. So, I mean, that's extremely tough

to pull off, quite frankly, a self-inflicted gunshot wound. And also, when it comes to it again, this isn't coming from me. It's something that I've been told. In the bomb, so to speak that was exploded in the back of the cyber truck was very rudimentary meaning this fireworks is campfire gas that's not something

that a green beret would put together I actually had somebody in intelligence tell me that he could have gone in to a grocery store and made a better explosive than what he had in the back of that cyber truck with the knowledge that someone in Lelvelsberger's position would have had

you know as far as tactical knowledge of things like that so just when it comes to the tactical side of things, it doesn't add up. And then you look at the burned ID that's singed, but his body is burnt to a crisp. I mean, Ashton, this, am I crazy here? Like, a lot of this is really, really shady, right? It's really, really shady. It's really, really shady.

The gun thing makes no sense. 50 caliber pistol is you're going to blow somebody's head off with a pistol like that. You would explode like a watermelon. Yeah, I mean. I mean, this is big. And they supposedly connected the body to a tattoo and some other methodology as well, which is pretty definitive. But yeah, like you said with the explosion thing, like if this guy wanted to harm more people, easily could have. He's in Vegas.

He can just run on to drive onto a sidewalk and take out more people, let alone the detonation from the explosion. So this is why I say we shouldn't be vilifying this guy because clearly he either had a mental health crisis or he just needed help one way or another, maybe both. and he didn't take anybody else out with him. Easily could have. And it turns out he's got half his letter. Half the letter is talking about blowing the whistle on the UFO stuff and anti-gravity. And he never mentions aliens one time. Right.

No mention of aliens. Just saying we've got this anti-gravity technology. We're in a war with China. And then you look up his history because I have expected to look at his history and see that, you know, this is all BS. No, he literally is Green Beret. He's been special ops for like 20 years. He just got to sign some kind of drone program back in November, just two months ago that he got assigned to. He had experience in like 2013 with hyper spectral cameras.

And now we're starting to realize that these advanced cameras are very important than UFO phenomenon because some of these things might be invisible to naked eye. So recording infrared is huge. So he checks every box to like actually be a UFO whistleblower. And it's crazy to me that none of Sean Ryan or Sam Shumate or any of the other guys, they just gloss over that whole part. Like it just means nothing to them. Sean Ryan didn't even, Sean and Sam,

they didn't even know what USAP meant. And I was talking to one of my sources afterwards and they're like, they're talking about unacknowledged special access program. Right. Right. And I'm going immediately thinking Dr. Greer at that point. And I'm going,

wow, that's huge. I mean, did he really just make up four paragraphs? And I think that the Sean Ryan, the Sam, they've kind of, I understand where they're coming from. For them, they're very professional guys. They're very down to earth.

Whatever is physically real in front of us guys. So they see claims like that. And it's almost like the Westworld robots where it's like it doesn't look anything, it doesn't look like anything to me. And it just is out of sight out of mind. They literally never mentioned it at all during the space that they did. I saw Sam get asked about it later. And he's like, the UFO stuff doesn't mean anything to me that somebody else can figure

that out. That was basically his response. And I'm going, wow, is there somebody else me? Do I have to be the one to figure this out? Because this is pretty interesting. And you would think if these guys spoke to family members, loved ones, et cetera, that you would ask, like, hey, so did he ever talk about this UFO stuff? Did he ever talk about being in any crazy programs or seeing anything?

You know, because that would be relevant. And I think the answer that I heard was that if he had been in some acknowledged special, unacknowled special access product, he would not have ever spoken about it. These guys are like type lip. They would never reveal it to even their friends, things like that, which maybe. So unfortunately, I think this is going to be another one of those situations where it just falls by the wayside. We don't get any resolution on it. But, you know, in my mind, that guy was, that guy was a real whistleblower, potentially.

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Hawaii starts here. Potentially, yeah, and it does feel like one of those stories that's already kind of hit the back burner, which is wild to think about because last week it was, I mean, it had everybody up in a tizzy, including myself. I mean, the conversations I had after that just to try to gather some information, it was pretty crazy. And I still do think, like you said, there's a lot of, meat left on the bone there, but the question is how many people are going to continue to pay attention to it, especially as we get into the Trump administration.

And I bring that up specifically because, you know, I mean, I stay kind of apolitical here on the show. I try to focus on the questions, the bigger questions, the bigger issues and things like that. It's just not really the theme of the show. So I stay away pretty much from the political theater when it comes to UAP. but when politics becomes part of the story, then I absolutely have to bring it up. And that does include Trump taking over office on January 20th. And the reason I bring it up is because a lot has been talked about when it comes to what could he reveal.

You know, he was asked about it by Joe Rogan. I believe actually Sean Ryan asked him about it and in different interviews. So a clip that came out from a dinner that Trump was having at Marlago, I believe a bunch of Republican governors. And a question was asked to him, because of course it was open to the press, the question was asked to him, what do you make of the drones?

Speaking of stories that went away, right? They asked, what do you make of the drones? And he'd mentioned bad minister, and he doesn't understand why the government doesn't just say what's going on. And then all of a sudden you had Glenn Yonkin, governor from Virginia speak up and say, we've seen these oversensitive areas.

Governor from Louisiana said the same thing. Governor from Wyoming raises his hand out of nowhere. It says, we've seen the same thing we're reporting we're not getting answers it's very frustrating and Trump actually seemed asked and he seemed caught off guard from these different reports that were happening right in front of his face so his response was we're going to let you know it's happening January 21st if they have to come into office so I found a fascinating that he really didn't seem to know what was going on so when it comes to what we might find out versus what we think is going on

how does it all relate to the drone question the drones that to what we've been talking about here today? I've always said that we know exactly what these drones are. We've got surveillance capabilities that can detect them, infrared, thermal, hyperspectral, etc. The intelligence community knows what they are. Does the FBI know? Probably not. They're probably left in the dark on this.

Local authorities have no idea. So absolutely, I agree with Trump. We know what they are. We've always known what they are. We know where they're coming from. If China's deploying them from submarines or whatever, we know where they're coming from. or if it's Locking Martin or we're testing technology or if it's aliens, whatever, we know where it's coming from. So I'm very interested to see what that all leads to because I could see a scenario where Trump wants to disclose this information about the intelligence community to say we're not going to disclose it,

either because it would scare people if it is really China or it would reveal too much of our capabilities if it's really us or the defense contractors. So my theory is nothing will come from that, even though he basically just promised that. But at the same time, the flip side is I think that we're in the best possible position that we've ever been in for real disclosure, beyond just aliens, but actually getting technology out to the public. I think that the adversarial relationship between Trump and the intelligence community works in our favor and that he will be less inclined to cover up some of these dark projects and operations. that we've done. And I think that DNI, Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, could be a big ally. She's the one that I'm looking at very carefully. I want to see all of her press conferences, especially after she's sworn in, because I'm expecting to see a change in personality from her. I'm expecting to see a lot of people get into this. Once you realize the dark truth of what's going on

in this technology, your entire perspective of reality shifts and you get kind of red-pilled to the point where you're like, oh, okay, this is what's really going on. We're really playing for keeps here, and this is not a joke, this is not a game. So very curious to see any of Tulsi Gabbard's comments on UFO's advanced technology or anything like that. My guess is all of a sudden she'll start to get really cagey about those kinds of responses. But like I said, now we got rid of DNI, Averhill Heinz, who, by the way, Jason Giorgiani just told me straight up. He's got two sources that say she's in charge of the UFO slow drip.

stuff that's been happening whether or not you like that slow drip or not supposedly she's in charge of it and I asked around some people that I know and they basically confirmed it for me which you know makes sense she's director of national intelligence you think if somebody's in charge the UFO thing it would be

them I'm kind of surprised it hasn't got more traction but I think the UFO community hates me so much that even if I give like mind-blowing information they just don't want to even acknowledge it so anyway I told you guys I thought it was mind-blowing when I saw it I'm like whoa I had to watch a clip twice. I'm like, did that really just happen?

That's pretty crazy. And to be like literally in the room with her while that stuff was going down. So I think we've got a pretty good idea of what's going on here from the landscape of the people in the intelligence community. And if you want to know who the bad guys are, even though again, things aren't black and white. Everyone's like, oh, this person's evil. This person's good. World ain't that way, guys.

It really ain't. Everybody thinks they're doing the right things for their own reasons of their own head. but the people that are primarily the gatekeepers of this are going to be the CIA, like the NSA, but probably not like ground level NSA agents. Like people like the Avril Heinz, who all the information flows up towards, who then reports up to the president. Those people know probably certain people in the defense contractors, but only certain high up ones or people that are read in on some of these special access programs.

And then various people in the military, but it's not everybody in the military. just because you're a rear admiral or a general doesn't mean that you're read in on it. And I don't want to go into too much more on that. But what I will say is that there are people who are very interested in my opinion on some of this technology that have seen magical technology out in the field. They know it exists, but they've never been read in on it. And they want to know, like, how does anti-gravity work? Like, what are we talking about with respect to some of this technology out there? which I just think is cool because I'm just a normal guy and to have people like that know this stuff's real but they want to know more about how it works reach out I think it's fun so yeah like I said I think we've got our best chance under Trump no guarantees I think that Trump knows what's at stake here as well and so for the people say well Trump would just let it go if it was just aliens then yes Trump would probably tell us but if it's something that's like going to completely shatter civilization as we understand it even Trump knows where the boundaries are

Yeah, I think it's a solid point. And of course, I would be remissed, Ashton. I know we're probably not going to get anywhere with it because I don't want you to give up anything that's going to get you in trouble or betray any trust. But you know, I have to ask you who those people are that are reaching out to you. Yeah, I can't say. It's just private information. So I do have private conversations with people and I don't reveal them. And I don't like to play the like, this is a look at Trump or check under this buried location here, what have you.

But yeah, private conversations I have with people that are, you know, in the media, military, or any of these other sensitive positions, I can't betray their trust at all. If I knew something groundbreaking, earthbreaking, like, you know, it's all real. And this person told me that the aliens were coming out of the water, I'd probably let you guys know something like that. I got you. In cases like this, these are just stories where people want to know information, you know, maybe they're writing news articles. You know, maybe they're in positions in the military where, yeah, they've been, they've seen some of this stuff or what have you. I have had people come out as generally basically like whistleblowers that, you know, well, maybe there's what they're telling me is not illegal.

but like the Sibbers network engineer that said like, yeah, we're definitely looking at the Sibber system in that satellite whammy footage. And the way they knew that is because they knew all these assets. Like they worked on helping set up all these assets to like beam the information of ground-based computers as a network engineer in a non-classified setting. So they were able to talk to me about that kind of stuff. So I do have fun stuff like that. But whenever it's something like that, I just I tell you guys exactly what it is. If it's just people curious as to information, then yeah. but I am you know I do want to get more influence with the administration because I think that

it's extremely important that this technology be revealed to the public and the longer we wait to not tell people the more people's minds are going to break when when it does become true it's kind of like one situation where it's like best thing we can do right now is rip the bandit off like people are going to freak out people are going to have shock people are going to question their existence they're going to question all their authority but the sooner we do it the better The more we keep lying about it and let these lies build up and build up, the worse the situation gets. Yeah. So it's funny you say that. I was just about to say to you. So you're more of the mindset of even though it's opening up Pandora's box, quite possibly, let's just rip the band-aid off and gets where we need to be. Yeah. And I question my own beliefs every single day, like even today. Like, you know, do you really want to be the person responsible for revealing this information that could lead to the doomsday weapons in our ultimate devastation?

annihilation. It's not an easy question. And this is why I don't hold it against the people like the Lulizondos and anybody else who says, I'm hiding this for national security. It's certainly a choice to be made. But I think that the only way, and maybe we decide collectively, we do want to hide it for national interests. If that was the case, if we voted on it or had some kind of overall agreement, the polls show that we don't want it out there. I wouldn't like it, probably like it, but I would go by what all of our collective opinion is. And that's all I want is I want to have the conversation about, guys, we've got free energy technology.

Do we want to risk getting it out there or is it too dangerous? And what safeguards can we put in place so that if somebody does have a cold fusion reactor in their house, that they can't destroy us all with it. I just, you know, jiggering with it a little bit. it's yeah it's um man it really is mind-boggling to think about all the different aspects of this and what it can mean for the future and then when you talk about free energy and i know we don't have that much time left um but i got to ask you because when i hear free energy anyway i think about somebody going back to Tesla and then when i think about Tesla right because that's a guy that was really putting this out there over a hundred years ago and unfortunately he was like quite literally buried with what he was trying to do by Edison and in the likes when I think about Tesla, well, now, nowadays, you're thinking about Elon Musk. So why do you think, because I know it's no secret. You've called out Elon on social media before.

Why do you think he doesn't partake in this stuff? Is it just government contracts? Is he part of it, so to speak? Why is Elon so set, right? And this is a question that I'm sure you get all the time from debunkers or people who are against what you're saying, whatever it might be, they want to argue with your points. He would say, Ashton, if this was real, then Elon Musk would be using it? Why would he waste his time with propulsion shooting up these starship rockets and doing all these tests if he could just use zero point energy?

Yeah, well, that goes back to the secrecy and the suppression of it. It's very possible Elon Musk does know about this. And that turns SpaceX basically into a front company where you're getting paid, you're doing work, but you're intentionally not revealing the real good stuff that you know exists behind. the scenes there's one angle to it like that that you on musk has n d a's he's one of the biggest defense contractors now space x is shooting up all our spy satellites into outer space at this point so absolutely he has n d as he would not be able to talk about the satellite video and if that's really a black operation he probably can't talk about it at all then when it comes

this zero point energy technology there's two angles to it one is the angle that people know about it and like lockyed martin knows about it but they're still selling an F-35s, right? So why is Lockheed Martin not selling orb tech instead of F-35? Well, because it gives the technology away to everybody if you do that. You know, this is the part, this is the reason, whether or not you accept it or not, this is the reason is that they don't commercialize the technology because then everybody would have it. That's the point of secrecy and hoarding technologies is that you don't just let everybody have access to it. The other side of it is that maybe he just doesn't know. One thing I learned from COVID and then learned again through this technology is

that even very smart people can be fooled easily by misinformation and disinformation. In this case, the disinformation and misinformation is that space is empty. Space is an empty void, you know, and when in reality it's actually a medium filled with energy. That's a completely different perspective. And even very smart astrophysicists that I see, like there was a guy on Lex Friedman the other day going negative energy is this exotic substance that doesn't exist.

That's what he says. And then I clip in right after it, Eric Davis going, and here's the ways that we're producing negative energy in labs today. You're like, how can both of these things be true? Either there's a mythical substance that doesn't exist, or we're literally producing it in laboratories today. Now, both can't be true. So Elon Musk could be of the perspective of the normy perspective of physics,

which is that free energy is not possible. It's taboo. They've brainwashed us into thinking that free energy equates to not be impossible. And if you talk to a lot of people, you will hear a literal NPC response from people when you bring up free energy. They say, that's not possible.

That violates the laws of thermodynamics. And the sad part is those people don't understand the laws of thermodynamics. Yes, I'm being inflammatory on purpose here, but if you have this zero point energy field around us, it solves both problems of thermodynamics, the first and second law. The same way where wind power and solar power

don't violate the laws of thermodynamics. Zero point energy also doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics. Simple, super simple. So it's possible Elon Musk doesn't know and that he has also been still stuck in this brainwash. And even people that are billionaires that are making rockets to go into the sky, they can also be brainwashed by this. But I happen to lean on the side now that he does know and that he's gatekeeping the information. Maybe he's decided it's too dangerous as well.

I don't really know. I do think it's interesting and I will continue to push and troll Elon a little bit about this because every time I troll him, we get a little bit more information. And he just yesterday, I think, released a podcast where he was asked about aliens again. And again, said, I have no evidence for them existing. But he did bring up the point that the reason why he wants to get us to Mars is so that we can be diversified so that life exists on two planets independently. And that is a noble cause that would imply that somebody understands that we could destroy our entire planet very quickly or a natural disaster or what have you could happen.

So I don't know. What do you think? I do believe that somebody who's in his position must know to some degree what's happening behind the scenes because there's really no one above him when it comes to the world of rocket science and technologies and private business and things like. I mean, he's got his hand in so many different arenas that at some point along the way, he must have found something out. So I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of facets to it when it comes to old Elon.

I want to ask, do you think he, or do you know, if he's seen the MH370 videos? Like, has anybody giving you that information that they've somehow trickled down to him? Or was there at some point where he did comment on it one time, right? Because the Hodge twins put it out. I'm just remembering that as I'm asking you. Yeah, he must have seen them,

because he commented, but he commented with this copy and paste answer that wasn't relevant at all to the videos. He said the same thing about aliens. He's got this copy and paste that he always does about I've never seen aliens. And if I did, I would be the first to say it or something like that. Yeah. Which is weird because it's pretty much the same thing that I've been saying about like I'm, I'm not going to believe that aliens are in these UFOs until I see an alien come out of the UFO. But there are clearly UFOs flying around. Sure.

I mean, we've got tons of videos of them. So that's the part where I agree with Elon, but it's odd that he chooses this deflection instead of addressing the question directly, which then again has me lean towards this idea of like he knows he maybe even has like, you know, EM drive, the static electric drive that they're working on. Maybe he's working on prototypes related to some of that stuff. It would actually surprise me if he's not. If they don't have a division of like an electrostatics division that's working on, you know, warp drive, probably not wormhole. back yet, but warp drive and EM drive, I'd be surprised if he doesn't have that. Yeah, I'm with you. I'll get you out here

on this, Ashton, because I know we've got to get going, but I wanted to, this is something that's kind of been floating around in my head. Why do you think people call you a bad guy? Being that, we said it at the beginning, and you said yourself, you are one of those polarizing figures in the UFO community. So,

what is it that you think just makes people come out against you and say, get rid of this guy, he's a charlatan, he's a grifter, he's He's a liar. Ashton Forbes is a bad person. Well, it's a good question. Probably a combination of things.

I think one thing is coming on to the scene in the UFO community, a lot of people want you to kiss the ring of all the people that came beforehand. And, oh, these people are all legends in the UFO community. And I'm not interested in doing any of that. You know, for me, respect is earned. And the more I've looked at the whole UFO community, sure, you could say that certain people have, you know, like Bob Lazar got brought. of the scene. It helped awaken people. But at the end of the day, the reason why I have so much

disdain for the community is that nobody really did any of the research that I've done that could have been done by anybody over the last 20, 30 years putting these pieces together. Now, you may say several people have, maybe, but for the vast majority, nobody's interested in science, nobody's interested in physics. Almost nobody's interested in this idea of free energy. It's completely different kind of section of the community. And instead, everybody's convinced. of, you know, the aliens are going to change our whole perspective on reality. So I think there's some element of jealousy at play. I think there's a certain element of disbelief, which is not something I anticipated

from people that believe that aliens are visiting us and how even telepathic communications with aliens, that those people would also look at these videos and go, no, no, telepathic aliens are visiting us, but wormholes, no, that can't be possible. So there's a certain element of science denialism that goes along with this as well. And that's on both sides, not the believer side, but also the skeptic side as well, where these people just don't believe in science. There's not a better way to put it. They don't believe that science is real. They think that all this stuff is theories that haven't been proven, even though I explain three or four different experiments that are scientifically proven that prove zero point energy exists.

And then I also think there's an element of gatekeeping where I think that certain number of these people on the higher echelon of the UFO influencers are directly connected to the government, either through their source. or people that they trust or that they're friends with them. And they're being misled. They're being either told, don't report on those videos, don't talk about those videos, don't talk about that guy, Ashton Forbes, or they're being told those videos are fake, don't report on those videos.

And I think they're being lied to. In some cases, they're listening to trusted sources that are telling them, that's not what the footage looks like, and they're being lied to, straight up. In other cases, I think they know the truth. They know that free energy is the big secret behind all this, but they've decided that they're going to protect national security they're going to protect their sources that they're aligned with the government hiding this stuff that's out there so i think it's a combination of all of those things um also the fact that i don't like like i said i don't kiss the ring i don't bow down to people that came before i don't immediately assume that this person must be legit because i've decided you know people decide they're a hero or whatever i think this rubs people the wrong way but at the same time i think this is what's needed for the UFO

The UFO community needed someone to come in here to look at everything with a fresh set of eyes and just, you know, burn everything down. Say, you know what? This person you think is a hero. They've actually never revealed anything. They've literally never revealed anything to the public that wasn't already known. All these other people that you claim to be other people that are big researchers, none of them have ever looked into physics or zero point energy, even though that's the answer for all this stuff. we need somebody to come in with this fresh set of eyes and whether or not they get vilified or what have you. Who cares? And as you've seen from the results of this, I've gained a huge amount of

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have the conversation about otherworldly life or interdimensional life without having the conversation of, well, what else are they using that we don't have? How are they getting here? Whether it's interdimensionally or through the cosmos, there's got to be ways, they're using something that we don't have. So I think inherently technology is a, in science, is a conversation that needs to take place with that. I mean, to me, they're like this. So it's always kind of mystified me as well, why they try to, or anybody who tries to separate those things. I believe they should be spoken about together. So, and that's, that's one of the reasons why I always enjoy talking to you because it's kind of like, you know, I'd like to put jelly on my peanut butter

sandwiches, you know, you kind of put these things together for it to all make sense. It's not just one thing. Something has to come together for all of it to make sense. Yeah. And like I said, aliens can be real. I'm, I have no problem with aliens being real. Like I've been telling people like, you know, Trump, we're going to have the best aliens. We're going to want a blue alien, a reptilian alien, the spirit alien. We can have all that. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me. And this, I'm joking, but it wouldn't surprise me in truth.

If Trump was the president that, like, the James Webb Space Telescope says that we've got biosignatures on Trappist 1 or whatever some of these planets are. So that'd be pretty funny if Trump is the one that, like, oh, yeah, turns out we found biosignatures from the James Webb Telescope on some dwarf planet 40 light years away. So, you know, that's not exactly the same as disclosure of. non-human intelligence on our planet, but it would still be pretty big. Oh, absolutely. Again, and maybe that would be part of the basic disclosure portion. Maybe that is, if we see that, maybe that's part of the drip of disclosure, you know.

Maybe. A lot of stuff to see, man. And hopefully you'll be open to coming back on again. I'd love to have back on the future. Of course. Yeah, apparently this is going to be a long thing. I mean, it's hard to think that our last interview was probably almost a year and a half ago when we first spoke for the first time. And this is what I tell people, we're in a, this is a marathon.

not a sprint, but as we've seen from some of these cases, like the Matt Lillezberger case, the drone scenario, we are seeing that a lot of stuff is corroborating the information investigation that I put forth in the MH370X team has put forth. And I think we're going to see more of that. One of the other ones I think we'll see at some point in the future, maybe not immediately, but let's say five years down the line, is I think we're going to see another video of this endothermic propulsion. And when we see that, that'll probably be the real kicker where people are going to go, wait, we can make propulsion based on an endothermic event.

Is that like negative energy? And then people are going to look back to the MH370 videos and those lines in front of the orbs and they're going to go, oh boy, like there it is right there. So keep an eye out for that one. People talking about negative energy and endothermic propulsion. Is that just a feeling or are you hinting at something that's a? Oh, I don't know. it's not like I know something's going to happen, but just piecing everything together with that immaculate constellation, all these videos that they're hiding, the 23-minute video that Lou Alizondo's

seen, if we see any of those in infrared or thermal, which they presumably have, we're probably at very, very high confidence. I think the way the propulsion works is that there's not a bunch of different ways. I think that the one way is like this endothermic negative energy propulsion that squeezes out the zero point energy. So I think we're going to see that commonality in basically all the forms of anti-gravity propulsion. And when we see that next in some other video that comes out, we won't be surprised by it because we'll have now seen it in the MH370 videos.

And those MH370 videos and that negative energy endothermic propulsion is going to explain zero point energy and everything else around us. So I'm just saying keep an eye out for that. If I had to throw a gas out in the wind, that would be the next. next domino to fall on like February 4th 2025 I was kidding three weeks from today no it's I don't do do those predictions like that the thing about this too is like what Eric Davis says about discovering this technology it could be tomorrow it could be five years from now it could be 25 years from now is that we don't know when the next event is going to happen where somebody leaks one of

these videos from Immaculate Constellation or some other event we don't know but that's what I think is the next big thing where everyone goes back to Ashton 4 is back to the MS370 videos and was like, okay, this guy clearly knew something was up here. We'll see. Well, I will make a prediction on something that I think I'll put myself out there and say, I know when and if that does happen, you and I will be here to talk about it. I will make that prediction. Yes.

Ashton, thanks so much, man. How can everybody follow you? For anybody who's not following you already on social media, where do they find you? Yeah, at JustX, Ashton, on X, on YouTube. on TikTok and Instagram, but the best place to follow me is on X. Second best place to follow me is on YouTube. We've had huge live streams going over some of this stuff.

And I'm going to do another one tonight as well. Awesome. Ashton, congrats on everything for continuing to get this out there and all the hard work that you've been putting in. It is a lot of hard work. And so I congratulate you on that. And look forward to talk to you again in the future, man. You too, Stephen.

Thanks. And so ends another Ashton Forbes adventure. Hopefully you enjoy that entire conversation, parts one and two. And I'm sure, like I said, there at the end, that Ashton and I will speak again in some point in the future. So, again, just to kind of end the controversy, if you will, I'm always going to present, whether it's a story or an interview that, you know, not 100% are going to agree with. And that's okay. I'm not here to, you know, placate to anything or anybody. I'm just presenting whatever I can when it comes to the ideas or the details of a story or an interview or somebody who has something to say about a situation.

I would be just as happy as to have someone on who completely disagrees with Ashton. I'm not sitting here trying to promote or talk through a megaphone that's MH370. Everything that Ashton is saying is 100% correct. and that's not what I'm trying to do. And I think maybe that's where some of the critics get lost in it. And I know if you enjoy it, thank you. I love you for that. But just to speak to the critics of it,

I'm not trying to do anything by having Ashton on, if that makes sense. I know it's an interesting topic. It's a topic that I'm intrigued by. It's a topic that a lot of you are intrigued by when it comes to the disappearance of MH370, when it comes to zero point energy and the possibilities that exist with something like that. So I like to talk about it.

I find it fascinating. And I would, again, be just as happy to talk to somebody who wants to try to disprove the entire thing. If you are of the mindset that Ashton is 100% way off and he's lying about it and he's making it up,

if that's your thing, fantastic. You can have that opinion. I'm always happy to have on both sides and speak to somebody. But I think that's the main reason, again, like I said in part one, is I always just try to

have that open dialogue, have the open conversation. I don't want us to shut each other out. That's all. So I'll step off my subbox now. Nevertheless, like I said, I hope you enjoyed it one way or the other because it definitely was fascinating in my eyes. And what could be very, very fascinating in the next couple of days. So what the heck is going on in the UFO world right now? Maybe the better question is what isn't going on in the UFO world? We can start with, really, the latest documentary from TMZ from Jeremy Corbell. Now, this has gotten a lot of attention, a lot of talk. It was a three-part series that followed Jeremy

through his journey of interviewing whistleblowers all the way through to the congressional hearings this past November, which I was lucky enough to attend and be there for. And it's funny to look now at these episodes, just for me, in my point of view, being there, I remember being in the hallway specifically and hearing Jeremy get really, really upset.

Like he was screaming the hallway after the hearing was over, screaming they lied to you, this, you know, a lot of cursing was going on. So I'm not going to repeat all that here, but he was really angry. And a lot of people were looking around like, what the heck is going on? Why is Jeremy Corbell screaming at everybody right now after this hearing? And so it's really quite something to look back at it now in this documentary from TMZ. this three-part series and to kind of see what went into that why he was so upset.

So that's been an interesting thing to take a look at that's three-part series there from TMC. But one of the reasons I wanted to bring that up to is just again because the attention that it garners. And you all have everybody's opinions on Jeremy Corbell as well. So whatever opinion you have, that's fine. But my thing, and just like with Lou Elizondo, who there's a lot of opinions about him as well, good or bad, my stance has always been on on those guys and guys like them is that they bring attention to the subject they bring attention to the conversation whatever you think their motives are or hidden agendas or whatever you might think it is and I'm not suggesting anything it's just

I know what's talked about so whatever you think those agendas are the way I see it is the fact is they bring attention to the conversation which helps to tear down the walls which helps to tear down the stigmas, which helps to move the conversation forward. And I think that's an important thing when TMZ presents a three-part series. And the conversation gets out there more. More people are able to pay attention to it. So I think, again, whatever you think about him or Lou Elizondo or anybody like that, it's a net positive to have more attention on the subject and get more eyeballs and more people

asking questions. So that takes us to Ross Coldheart Ross, good old Ross there, News Nation drops a, well, kind of dropped a bombshell that a lot of people didn't see coming. I know I didn't. I know I've spoken to Ross not on the show. Hopefully one day we can coordinate something,

but through email we've spoken back a few times, just different messages. And I know he is just incredibly entrenched in working on this subject and talking to people and digging and finding the answers just again from the few correspondences that we've had through email. And it pays dividends because when he comes out with this new whistleblower, again, out of nowhere, like Ross Colehart off the top rope, where he talks to this new whistleblower named

Jake Barber on News Nation. And this interview comes out. And now supposedly it's going to lead into Saturday this, upcoming Saturday, and if you're listening to this right now on Thursday the 16th on the release of this episode, then on Saturday the 18th on News Nation, they're supposedly going to dig into this deeper. So what's the situation if you're not up to date on it? Ross Coldheart comes out with this news with a snippet of this interview with Jake Barber. He goes on Donald Trump Jr.'s podcast on Rumble, the alternative to YouTube on Rumble, where Don Jr. has a show on there.

and he speaks to Don Jr. about Jake Barber, this new whistleblower, who claims that he was a helicopter pilot for U.S. Special Forces, I believe. I believe the Special Forces, but either way in the military, and I might have the Special Forces part wrong, but in the military. And he worked on crash retrievals, UFO crash retrievals. And he's telling these stories to Ross Coldheart, and he gets the exclusive on it for News Nation. And Ross goes on Don Jr.'s podcast to talk about it. and implores him to take this seriously and to pass the message along to his father, the president of the United States, as of January 20th, Donald Trump, and says this people like Jake Barber need to be taken seriously and their claims because there's a lot of other whistleblowers who are still afraid to come out because of what might happen to them, whether it's personally or professionally. So that went down. And then Lou Elizando comes on right after Ross and talks to,

Don Jr. about the same thing. And so it seems like this is very much accelerating, which again, you know, I've talked about it for, it seemed like all of 2024. How would this conversation evolve once we get into a new administration? Now, at that point, we didn't know what the, who was going to be taking over as far as an administration was concerned. Now that we know who's coming in, the conversation started to accelerate even more. How is it going to evolve during a new presidential administration. Because on top of this interview coming out, on top of this new whistleblower Jake Barber,

who's speaking with Ross Colth, they are claiming that on, like I said, on Saturday the 18th, not only will the interview air on News Nation, but they're going to show footage. And this is the big claim here. They're going to show footage from the helicopter that Jake Barber alleges that he flew

to recover downed UFO craft. So we could be talking about real type footage here. Again, you know, is it going to be clear footage? Is it going to be thermal? There's supposedly some leaks out there that show some pretty crystal clear like 4K footage as the helicopter is flying toward the wreckage. So if that's the kind of video where it's clear like 4K footage, it's not, you know, all the things that people joke about, hey, did you record that with your flip phone?

You know, all those things that people joke about on social media. this looks legit if it is the one that's kind of going around right now on social media so we really could end up seeing legit footage of a downed UFO crash retrieval here that's the case that that's really kind of change things this could be a true paradigm shift if it turns out that way again you could be listening to this on sunday the 19th Monday the 20th Tuesday the 21st and you'll be able to look back and say wow you sound stupid right now, Stephen, because nothing came of this. Or you could be saying, yeah, this really happens.

So we'll see how it plays out. I'm as intrigued as you are, and I will absolutely be watching. So kudos to Ross. It does a great job. Again, say what you want about the guy. I know he has his detractors as well, and that's completely fine. But I think he does a fantastic job of digging through all this, and he's a great investigative journalist, in my opinion.

And if that wasn't enough, it's also being reported from News Nation, actually. Joe Khalil does a great job over there, reporter. He says that three additional military veterans are supposed to go on record and supposedly on camera. They're going to corroborate, according to the report, Jake Barber's account where he talks about being involved with recovering alien craft, recovering wreckage of UFOs. So it's not just going to be supposedly this Jake Barber guy who is talking about. this, we could get finally that moment where you have multiple people who are involved in the same program that are going to corroborate what someone is saying. You know, all credit to people who come out like Lou Elizondo or Jason Sands or David Grush, you know, all these different

people. But unfortunately, they're kind of left on an island because no one else is willing to come out with them who was working with them on the same programs. They're just kind of like, again, left on an island. So if this is something where multiple guys who are working together, Jake Barber and who can, you know, actually vouch for him and say, yes, he was working on these programs. Yes, he did work at retrieval of alien craft. It's going to be hard not to accept that for a lot of people, I think. So we'll see how this all plays out. But right now, it really is truly exciting times. I mean, we could be seeing something really, really significant here. We had a feeling about 2025, right? Boy, it's been quite the same.

start my goodness gracious but before we go I did mention uh at the end of part one some new information I got about um I guess orb's technology that would resemble what we actually saw in the MH370 videos because you heard me talk to Ashton about it do you know of any other videos that are like mh370 he says no absolutely not there's nothing close well it turns out I might have come across a few myself now not the videos I haven't seen the videos because I believe they are classified. So I have not seen the videos. I want to make that clear.

But I have been given information in detail about what these reports purportedly show. And what they show are three different instances last year, orb technology that create formations that resemble in a rotating manner that resemble what we saw in the MH370 videos. I still am kind of in the information gathering process on this story, but I can tell you I'm working on three different occurrences last year, 24, April and September. I'll throw those months out there of what I learned. Two different occurrences in April of 24, one occurrence in September, one occurrence over the Pacific Ocean, two over the Middle East. and it's pretty incredible. These are eyewitness testimonies from pilots,

from U.S. pilots, who saw these orbs doing very, very strange erratic movements, spinning around objects the way that they were in the MH370 videos. It's chilling, actually. I really was beside myself when I was given this information. So that's what I can tell you right now. this um an mh370 style occurrence i can't verify any airplanes disappearing i'm not saying that and i've actually asked that question and uh that is not something that the pilots saw that did not see an

airplane disappearing or an airplane in between the orbs that were spinning so that's that is unique still to the mh370 videos there that that ashton brings up what i can tell you is that i have been given information on these three different occurrences, two in April of last year in 24, one in September of 24, one over the Pacific Ocean, two over the Middle East, and they show the report from the pilots who saw it, orbs moving very radically, spinning around an object, very similar, extremely similar to what we saw in the videos of MH370. And one, that is in its own class. and that's one that involves something pretty incredible, actually,

that has to do with the wars in the Middle East. That's something that I'm still trying to gather exact information that I would say I'm about 90% on that case, but I want to be really 100% on that case before I go spitting anything else about that because it's an incredible, incredible claim that is going to cause a lot of questions. So a little bit of an information gathering still needs to happen,

but that's kind of the, um, the gist of it before I can give you the rest of the information later on. I'm just trying to be responsible with it. I don't want to throw something out and not be able to explain it fully, but that's what I can give you right now. It's, uh, it's incredible though. I mean, because it really, these orbs were acting like what Ashton describes in the MH370 videos. So the, it may not be a unique occurrence as, as we thought. the implications of that are obviously astounding as well.

So, all right, take a breath. A wild week, and I have a feeling it's just the beginning of really a roller coaster ride that we're about to go on here this year in 2025. That maybe even started in the past couple weeks, and now it's going to accelerate through the weekend and the rest of the way into next week. Can we get into a new administration? What ripple effects will that have? and what new UAP adventures will come next. Stick around. I'll be here with you to find out and cover it all as best I can.

Coming up, by the way, next week, in addition to covering everything that's happening, I'm also going to be speaking with Darcy Weir. Great filmmaker, been highly involved in a lot of different films and projects and research when it comes to the UAP topic. So he's going to be on the show, actually. I'm going to be speaking with him, and I'll air that interview next week, speaking with Darcy Weir.

He does a lot of great work. So looking forward to talking to him and some of the new work that he has, projects that he has coming out and things like that too. Especially covering his new film Pascagoula 73, which talks about the incredible case in Pascagoula, Mississippi of the abduction there, which if you've never heard about that, it's quite the doozy of a story. So look forward to speaking with him about that and going into the details. It's really incredible.

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