UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 105 Trump & Eggs - A Recipe for Disclosure?

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Could we connect the Jake Barber egg UAP story to another fantastic close encounter from more than 25 years ago? And how could the new Trump administration and accompanying cabinet play a role in the dominoes of disclosure? Plus, how does the history of psionics fit into all of this? Let's connect all the dots together on this packed episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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What do you think about this and that? And, well, you're about to hear them because I'm going to be covering what I call affectionately trumping eggs. A recipe for disclosure question mark. I don't know. We'll see. And just a quick qualifying statement here. I'm going to put this out right now before I go any further before we get into everything else on these topics on these subjects. As you know, I try my best to stay somewhat.

apolitical on this show. I don't go into the politics of all this different stuff and, you know, what's happening in the everyday. I really like to focus on this topic, on this subject and how, you know, everything relates to it, how it affects things, the domino effect and all that. Once in a while, the political figures end up intersecting with this discussion. Now, I say once in a while, it's been happening more often than not, actually, when it comes to the congressional hearings and discussions of who would be a disclosure president and things. of that nature. So maybe it's not even once in a while. Maybe it's actually more than I realized. But I say all this to start off because as I go through this episode, I'm not going into this to talk about

one president or the other and say this and that. You know, who are you for, who are you against? That's not what this is. It's just the fact that Donald Trump is now the president and a lot of this stuff kind of falls under his presidency now. So you're going to hear him just like I would talk about during Joe Biden's presidency. Now that Trump is the president, it just kind of goes that way as far as who's in charge during this discussion. So I'm not going one way or the other and telling you this or that, who to like, who not to like.

It's just that's the landscape of things. And when it comes to the cabinet, because all of that is part of this discussion. So I just want to put that as a qualifying statement. I'm not saying to like somebody or not like somebody. It's just they're a part of the conversation. So I hope that makes sense. and I feel like I have to do that because, man, it's just it can get very divisive, and I'm not trying to do that at all.

Anyway, outside of that, there is a lot to discuss when it comes to the incoming, or actually I should say the current administration now, it's not even incoming anymore. I'm so used to saying that over the past few months. And the disclosure question. And I think it does connect to a lot of what we saw over the weekend when it comes to the egg UAP story from Ross Colthard on News Nation and Jake Barber, the new whistleblower. So we're going to tie all this together here today. We're going to take out the frying pan and put it all together.

But before we do, there's a different egg to talk about. We'll do that during our factoid. Ladies and gentlemen, the factoid. I miss that. I don't get to play that very often. So when I do one of these self-contained episodes outside of like the interviews, I always like to try to throw in the factoid here and there. But of course, we all have seen the Jake Barber testimony

and the interview on News Nation with Ross Coldheart. and the egg UAP video has been all over social media over the past few days since that interview premiered on, what was it, Friday night? I believe it was Friday night. But anyway, outside of that, though, there's even a newer egg video that has come out now. Some people are saying it's fake, it's Photoshopped, it's AI, other people are saying it's the real deal. Or as always, I leave it up to you. And if you haven't seen it, just a quick description on this, supposedly this is a video showing a recovery of a, you. egg UAP of ancient origin, they're saying, in a cave and the Queen Elizabeth Mountain Range of Antarctica.

And supposedly this recovery took place in 2022, and this video has now been leaked on Reddit or on 4chan. I think it was on 4chan. And it's this, but the thread goes on Reddit. Maybe they're one in the same. I apologize for sounding very old and musty, but I'm not too up on the lingo for Reddit and 4chan and all those things. I haven't ventured into those waters too much, so I apologize if I'm getting that wrong. But anyway, this video's out there and it's made its way over to the X platform and other social media. And supposedly this, again, is leaked by somebody who has access to this video and now is putting it out on the internet.

Even more strange, they claim that inside this cave, they also found a body of a very old N.H.I., very old alien to go along with this egg-shaped. UAP. And it is very interesting just in the fact that the Jake Barber egg UAP story is not the first egg story that we've heard. In fact, if you go back to 1964, it's probably one of the earliest cases of an egg UA, or at least an egg shaped UAP, goes back to the very famous case of Lonnie Zamora. Now, I have never, and I should, one of these days, I would love to dig into the Lonnie Zamora case. but it's one of the most famous close encounter cases out there when it comes to, you know, firsthand experience of a UFO, of a UAP. Lonnie Zamora case back in 1964.

And it was really one of the first times, if not the first time, where we hear about this egg-shaped UAPs. So again, the Jake Barber testimony, this now Antarctica supposedly leaked video from a 2022 recovery, these are not new things. And in fact, there's even more, aside from ones that we just mentioned. But I just want to throw that out there that there is more out there than the Jake Barber testimony. This is the one that is getting all the attention. And maybe rightfully so, I'll let you make up your mind on that.

So what of the Jake Barber testimony? Well, in case you missed it, he is the brand-new whistleblower that Ross Colthard broke to the world just last week and told everybody he's coming out on News Nation. And he is going to be talking about his first-hand experiences with. with the UAP crash retrievals. And the premiere came out on News Nation, and everybody was watching, everybody had something to say and comment on the video.

Here is, in case you missed it, just the opening of how Ross Colthardt described this video from the bottom of the helicopter as it was recovering the egg-shaped UAP. That's an egg-shaped UAP suspended from a 150-foot long line. Look at how perfectly smooth the craft is. No marking.

at all, and no visible means of propulsion or way to see inside. Okay, so a pretty typical explanation of something like that, right? Very smooth, no means of propulsion, just like we kind of hear about with the orbs, just an orb shape instead of an egg shape, if you will. Now, they did say as far as the size goes, Jake Barber compared it to the size of a large SUV. I couldn't help but to draw parallels. And actually, there's going to be a lot of parallels with this story to a lot of other things. So play along as we line things up side by side.

But when I heard the description of the large size SUV, I couldn't help but to think of the drones. And we'll talk about those later on in the show when we get to the Trump cabinet side of things. But when you talk about the drones, everyone always described them as large SUV. So very odd there. Coincidence? I don't know. But just to dig in a little bit more to Jake Barber to give a background. Why do people believe him?

Well, he is who he says he is. And, you know, credit to Ross Coldheart to doing the digging on him and gathering the information on his background, verifying all his paperwork with the military. He's a seasoned veteran, a helicopter pilot mechanic. He's a sharpshooter. He received an award for valor in his service

during conflicts in Bosnia. So he's been around for a while. He's been around different conflicts and very experienced guy with a lot of military background and history. that is verifiable through the paperwork and the proper channels. So he is who he says he is when it comes to his background in the military. There's no question about that.

And in fact, there's a colonel named John Blitch, who has a very impressive background, who was part of this news report from Ross Colthard. And you'll hear about John Blitch right here. Listen to this background, just to properly frame this that Ross Colthard gives before he ends up asking a few questions to, Colonel John Blitch. Listen to this. One of his most fervent supporters is Colonel John Blitch.

A Renaissance warrior who holds a doctorate in psychology was a Delta Force sniper and is one of the few men to hold doomsday in his hands commanding a nuclear weapons battalion. So you believe Jake Barber is telling me this?

There has been a cover-up lasting 80 years. Absolutely. We've recovered craft. Absolutely. Okay. So pretty straightforward there, right? Absolutely. In all three those. We've recovered of craft. There's a cover-up, and Jake Barber says, or is who he says he is. And that's a guy that, I mean, doctored in psychology, Delta Force sniper, held all the nuclear codes, doomsday in his hand, all that stuff. So this is a guy that I would think anyway, just my opinion, would not necessarily want to come out and stake his reputation on someone of Jake Barber's

status if he felt like he was lying about who he says he is and the stories that he gives. So there's a lot, the reason why I frame this before we get into the nitty-gritty is I think it's important to give the details on the backgrounds and just so we can properly frame who this guy is before we start putting out all these claims. Now, that said, one of the things that Jake Barber also mentioned about this egg-shaped UAP as he went in and recovered it, he talked about how the craft can pass through the ground. also coming from ridges or mountains. Now, passing through the ground, passing through solid objects, passing through solid mass when it comes to land masses

and things of that nature. I mean, do we, I don't even know what to call that. I mean, is that, is transmedium still the word? Of course, we talk about transmitting coming from, you know, air to the sea. I mean, being able to pass through solid objects. I don't know if we need to come up with a different term for that, or it's it's i i that's the first time i've heard of that um detail when it comes to n h i craft or

possible n h i craft advanced technology being able to pass through dematerialize even i don't know pass through the ground and different land masses and things of that nature so pretty wild stuff and just to go through some of the implications of this i mean if this does continue Jake Barber seems like, to me anyway, as a domino. It is another domino and the disclosure push. As you push down the Jake Barber domino, it's going to release the next portion, which will release the next portion.

And that's the way I kind of see this situation, because as you go through this story, you have to wonder, where do we go from here? Because when you talk about the egg-shaped craft, that got a lot of the attention because that's the thing that had the video attached to it. We saw the video. We saw the night vision camera as it was pointing down

to this large egg-shaped craft and it was being touched down to the ground and we all ask the questions, okay, what exactly are we looking at? Is this actually some type of advanced technology, NHA craft that we're seeing? And of course there's a lot of different theories and takes on this.

Some people were disappointed. Some people saw this and said, this is it. this is finally the proof. Wherever you land somewhere in the middle, I don't know. But the fact of the matter is, that's the portion that's getting a lot of the attention. Now, if you ask me, there was something else that happened in that interview that should be getting more attention, more than the egg-shaped UAP video, if you ask me.

Now, again, when you have a video of something, a lot of people talk about it. But to me, the part that stood out during this interview was the portion of the portion of, where he talked about the other craft that he recovered, what he called the eight-gon, a disc-shaped craft separated into eight different sections, and he says that from his point of view, as he was looking down from the helicopter on it, recovering the craft, that's how he described this eight-gone, an octagon, if you will. So he's given all these details, right, transmedium craft that can pass through solid objects and solid landmass, this egg-shaped UAP that he says he's recovered and was defined and confirmed as some type of

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When I get closer to this pic site, I start feeling odd. I start feeling extremely emotional. And the closer I get, the more the emotion starts to overwhelm me. I feel this intense hybrid of sadness and happiness and beauty and song. And as I came over this object for the PIC, it was this overwhelming sense of emotion. I felt like something connected with me. with me. And it was so overwhelming that I began to cry. So why all these emotions? What is happening? Was it something psychosomatic? Was he fatigued, having a, you know, a mental breakdown of some sort, stress? Now, to their credit, Ross did ask him those questions, and Jake says that though just wasn't

the case. This was something that was unique. It changed his life. And he had this connection as he was going to retrieve this disc-shaped eight-gone craft, as he calls it. But why this reaction? Now, to be fair, we actually have heard of other stories like this. One of them we're going to talk about in a second, again, drawing parallels to something else because even though this was a unique experience for Jake Barber, it's not a unique occurrence. We've actually heard of a couple of things like this before. But before we get into the parallels, there's actually more to this.

And this is when things start to take a supernatural turn as Jake is now traveling with the craft. He has recovered the craft and he's going through 20 miles of this open desert expanse going to the location, of course undisclosed. He can't say where he was dropping these things off. But as he was traveling there, this is where, again, we cross over into the supernatural

as he explains here. Had you ever had an experience like this before? No. No, it was a very feminine internet. I'll tell you that. It felt like the spirit of God, but not in any masculine sense. And it wasn't like a soul. It was like a frequency that I was connected with.

And whatever that force was since that night, it has stayed with me. Okay, so we talk about the spiritual connection, almost feeling like the love of God almost, but in a feminine way, which I thought was really interesting. I've never heard to describe that way. But there was something there that I hope you picked up on. He said something about a frequency. And I want you to remember that because I'm going to connect this to another story where he is talking about this frequency and these feelings of love, this connection.

And there's another story that actually has similar details to what Jake Barber is talking about. That's of a man named Jonathan Weigant. Now, Jonathan Weigant is a Lance Corporal from the Marines. and he had an incredible firsthand experience in 1997 in Peru. He was on a recovery mission, and the story goes from Jonathan himself that he came upon a crashed UFO with occupants inside. He had an unbelievable experience that stays with him to this day.

He's done interviews about this, not a lot, but he has done interviews about this. Recently, actually, I think back in May, he spoke with Martin Willis on his show called Podcast UFO, and in fact, Michael Horace, was on that episode too. Funny, I mentioned him because you're going to hear his name come up in a little while as well. But the point being that Jonathan Waygett goes on this show and discusses these things. But before that, before May of 2024, we go way back to the late 90s where Jonathan actually did discuss these occurrences, did discuss this crash retrieval that ended up being a retrieval of some sorts. And I think you're going to recognize some things. some details that we just heard from Jake Barber. Here's an old interview, again, back from the late 90s,

with Jonathan Wakeend covering his experience from 1997. I felt this presence that it's real strange. I guess it was almost like, I think they were trying to communicate with me, like, I guess telepathically, it's really weird, and I don't believe in any of that stuff. But anyway, it was, I could hear, like, it's like basically sitting in your car and turn it on like an angel, station that's not you know it's just white noise and it's turning up really high I felt like I felt a

presence was like supernatural it was a warm like loving feeling like like like you would have if you were with a family these creatures are like I guess you could probably the closest thing I could say that they were like almost like angels and if if I had to I'd go with them right now well I mean I'm not going to lie I don't know about you and I hate to you know over exaggerate things use hyperbole but I swear to you, I got chills listening to that because to hear the parallels there between Jake Barber, what we just heard from him a few days ago here at the beginning of 2025,

and then to go back to the late 90s when Jonathan Waygant does that interview, you're talking about 25 years plus a separation, but somehow these comparable details where they talk about love, this feeling, this connection through this frequency. And, you know, you're going to mention the AM radio, which is why I wanted you to remember what Barber said.

You know what, let me go back. I'm going to go back to Jonathan, I'm sorry, again, the name's confused here, to Jake Barber's reaction to his feelings to the supernatural aspect of things. I'm just going to play this again real quick. Had you ever had an experience like this before? No.

No, it was a very feminine energy. I'll tell you that. It felt like the spirit of God, but not in any masculine sense. And it wasn't like a soul. It was like a frequency that I was connected with. And whatever that force was since that night, it has stayed with me. So there it is again.

The frequency he was connected with. You hear Jonathan Wagan talking like saying he was like being tuned into an AM radio. Now maybe I'm looking too much into it. But when I hear that, it's like, my gosh, how can they both have that same type of, same type of detail? Not the same exact verbiage, but same type of detail, like being tuned in with something. something has happened here Jake Barber and Jonathan Waykent both had these experiences

25 years plus apart and when you can have both guys who I assume and maybe they've spoken maybe they've coordinated stories and this is one big ruse but it doesn't feel that way to me what it feels like is two unique occurrences that have similar

very similar experiences feeling this overwhelming sense of love and this connection to some type of spiritual side. And again, Waygans was this first-hand experience back in 1997 where he tells that story from. So just really, really

remarkable in my eyes. Extremely intriguing to think about the connections there between both guys, both stories over 25 years apart. Really incredible. Again, maybe you think of making too much out of it, but I just, I can't help

but to see those little things in common there. Maybe more than little, honestly. I mean, I can't help but to ask. Are we talking about some type of heavenly presence? Rather, I mean, we talk about NHI all the time and I've asked the question many times and I would still love to talk with someone like Diana Posulka and come out with this episode that I started working on back like in August. My gosh, it was like five months ago. I started writing this one episode talking about the spiritual connections and I never got around the finishing it. So one day I'll finish that episode and present that in its own thing.

But you can't help but to think about what type of spiritual or heavenly supernatural connections there are here. When you have Jake Barber talking about feeling like this love of God and Jonathan Wang Gant talking about some type of, you know, angelic experience, saying he would go back with him if he could. I don't know. I mean, but there's something there. And both guys had these experiences. Again, it's just, it's hard for me to get over. I'm sorry if I ramble on about it, but it's really quite something. Jake Barber did go on to say that he feels that he's still connected with this, this spirit or this feeling, this emotion.

And it's what's guiding and protecting him now as he wades through the dangerous waters of being a whistleblower. He says that, by the way, I did mention, but it's worth mentioning again. Jake did say that he did get confirmation to him that they were indeed working with NHI. And that it's not a unique experience what he saw that night. So just goes back to a lot of different claims from whistleblowers and first-hand experiencers saying that, you know, these retrievals are taking place. Gosh, it goes back to what David Grush talked about with crash retrievals. And Lou Elizondo talking about, you know, crash retrieval programs.

A lot of these guys are saying the same thing one after the other. Again, the dominoes. What or who will be the next domino to fall. But if I can go backwards in the domino line, if you will, I want to go back to someone I mentioned a little while ago, and that is. Michael Herrera, because there was something else that was mentioned, and I think this was my biggest takeaway, outside of what we were just talking about. My biggest takeaway wasn't the egg-shaped UFO. It was the talk about psionic abilities. Now, what does that mean? When you talk

about the spiritual side of things and everything like that, and how that ends up leading into the talk about psionics, it really was something that absolutely struck a chord with me, because Cyanics, well, I'll play the sound here first. Here's Jake Barber himself talking about what he experienced with what we call Cyanics. And Ross Coulthard delves into it as well, both in the same clip. That object, or whatever was controlling that object, was also connecting to me through the mind, through my mind. And so how did the object come to land? I think it was invited to land by the Cyanics team.

Jake says his mission that night came from no accidental crash. The UAP was summoned by a separate team, a special team with special abilities. They're called psionics. Okay, so this is a word that's been throwing out here and there. If you're not 100% familiar with it, it is what it sounds like. It's using psychic abilities to connect with crafts, the occupants of the craft, communicate with them, have them land, bring them down. and this is something that supposedly has been used a lot in the past.

And Jake Barber kind of delves into it there. And it's really the first time, maybe first time is a lot to say there. But it's one of the highlights anyway of where this has been brought up in a big mainstream way. A lot of people don't like to delve into it because it kind of goes into even more of a realm of impossibilities in people's minds where you're having people connect, you know, in some type of psychic manner to an alien or craft to bring it down and communicate with it. That's a big leap for people to make. So it's not brought up a whole ton. But it was one of the things that stood out to me absolutely.

Why? Why did that stand out to me personally? It's because of a name I mentioned earlier just a few minutes ago in Michael Herrera. If you don't remember Michael Herrera or if you never heard of him before, please indulge me to explain very quickly. He's somebody that I had on the show as a whistleblower who came out in Dr. Greer's, Dr. Stephen Greer's, it was his disclosure conference back in June of 2023 in Washington, D.C. And Michael Herrera was on that dais along with D.C. Long and a few others, Eric Hecker being one of them, talking about their experiences with BlackSight programs and technology and what they've come across during their military

action and service. And Michael Herrera's story involved coming across while he was on location out in Asia, I believe, and seeing this giant black UFO and the people were being loaded on it. And that kind of took us down a rabbit hole. And Michael Herrera appeared on this show here a couple of times. And the second time he was on, he spoke specifically about programs where supposedly, allegedly, these black sites areas of the government kidnap people from third world countries

and use them to harvest them for their psionic capabilities, psychic capabilities, if you will. So that's a little background on Michael Herrera, and he remains kind of in the shadows, you know, kind of with Herrera. He doesn't go on and do a lot of shows. He was in recently the George Knapp show on Netflix, And I mentioned earlier on that other show with actually Jonathan Wagan, who I was talking about. But here is when Herrera was on here on UAP.

This is from back in October of 2023 when Michael Herrera was on the show talking about psionics. It's amazing to connect all the dots here. I already talked to many government officials about this. So they actually know about this. Ross Coldheart is another person I've talked to who actually knows about this, knows some stuff going on in the back end with this. The program that I witnessed what they were doing, they screen certain people with certain abilities,

and they call them psionics. The screening process that they have is called psionic predisposition potential or what they dubbed P3. So what happens is the black team has a machine that they hook to the psionic person, that psionic person then hooks up to the advanced tech or ET tech, and person A can control the ET Tech through that sonate person. That was back from October of 2023 worth mentioning again.

He mentions Ross Coldheart, and I can confirm, by the way, I think I've mentioned this before. I may not have ever mentioned this before because he asked me not to at the time, but I think we're far enough removed now and deep enough into this discussion where I can. Ross Coldheart himself told me back on Halloween of 2023 that he was in contact with Michael Herrera, In fact, quick story, because again, I don't think I've mentioned this before. Forgive me if you heard it on a previous episode. But I'll never forget, actually, when this happened.

I was trick-or-treating with my kids. It was Halloween night. October 31st, 2023 is the only reason why I remember this so well, because it was literally walking down the street dressed up in an alien costume. I kid you not. I can't make this up. I was dressed up in an alien costume going door to door with my kids as they got Canyon, Halloween night.

and I had written a message to Ross Colthard maybe a week before on Twitter and asking him about his connections with Michael Herrera because after I spoke with Michael that day and he mentioned talking with Ross Coldhart, I thought, well, let me send Ross a message on Twitter to see if I can verify this. Are Michael Herrera and Ross Coldhart really talking behind the scenes about psionics and these BlackSight programs? So I sent a message to Ross back then, right after that interview. And about a week later, he got back to me on Halloween night. And I checked my phone. My phone goes off, bing. And I see this message. I'm like, oh, wow, Ross Colette wrote me back.

Let me see what he had to say. And sure enough, he says, I am talking with Michael Herrera. I'm traveling to America. Please keep this to yourself. Again, I'm talking about now because it's over a year later. And again, we're deep enough into the discussion now where I feel like I can share this. But he asked me then to kind of keep it under wraps because he was coming to America to speak with Michael Herrera about these black site programs and about psionics. So funny enough, here we are now in January of 2025 and we've seen how this is all developed and come together.

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Explore your options at canesley manor.org, a nonprofit month-to-month senior community within the Front Porch family. So is that psionics connection itself really part of this entire phenomenon? And the question I ask is, are they feeling these emotions from the ETs themselves? When it comes to someone like Jake Barber or Jonathan Wakeend, where they have these connections. as they get close to a craft or recovered bodies themselves. And they have these emotional responses where they feel this frequency and they feel this love or even sadness sometimes.

Are these emotions coming through a telepathic connection from the ETs or the craft itself? Is the craft some type of living biologics? I don't know. I mean, it's worth asking the question. Anything is possible at this point. Or I'll also pose the possibility. Are they feeling these emotions through the psionic asset themselves? Are they being allowed?

What I mean is are they, I hate to use the word manufactured, but are they being given these emotions from a psionic asset as they are coming across a craft that was brought down through psionic communication? Is that possible? And again, I hate to use the word manufactured, but I can't think of any other word to describe that. But if that's the case, who was doing that to Jonathan Wagan back in 1997? So maybe that isn't the case.

Or in strictly speaking with Jake Barber's occurrence, his experience, are they being allowed to feel the ET emotions? And the psionic acid is actually opening up that pathway for them. Again, a lot of questions. I don't really have the answers, But these are some of the questions that come to mind that I want to pose to you to invite you to think more deeply on these and try to ponder these in a more meaningful way as we go through these discussions and discover these conversations and connect these dots. It's really, it's quite something I couldn't come. I couldn't wait to come on here today and talk about all this and connect all these dots because it was.

It's true. I had a lot of people reaching out to me over the weekend, you know, saying, what do you think about this? I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it. And I appreciate that, by the way. Thank you for thinking enough of me to wonder what I was thinking about it. But aside from that, that was one of the reasons why I was so excited to come on here and really say what's on my mind with all this. And that's one of the things that I really has been stuck in my mind over the past few days since the interview with Ross Coldheart and Jake Barber. Really just incredible stuff when you start to put it all together.

And I mentioned the domino effect. So are we going to see more whistleblowers like this come out in what I think is a controlled manner? and I think it could all be part of a larger plan with the new administration that is now in charge. Or could it be? I hate to say, I think, because maybe I'm wrong, but could it be part of a larger plan? Is this part of the slow drip process to avoid, you know, what we call catastrophic disclosure, but to give slow drip disclosure and have one more story come out, have one more whistleblower come out, have one more piece of information come out until it finally adds up into some.

someone coming out and seeing something in an official manner. So how does this all connect to now the current Trump administration and his cabinet? And the cabinet members incoming, those confirmed and still yet to be confirmed. Well, I'll connect it this way. On Sunday, this past Sunday, January 19th, President Trump himself, well, he was still president-elect. He was at Capitol One Arena in Washington, D.C. having a, I guess what they called a victory rally. And he said he was going at that rally.

he said he was going to release info and classified documents. He mentioned assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, Jr., and he also mentioned along, and these were his words, also going to release information on other matters of great public interest. And of course, I and others heard that and picked up on that last part right away, thinking, hmm, what are these other matters of great public interest that he says he's going to release information on? Now, again, your politics, your beliefs are yours. I'm not here to sway one way or the other. And I know some will say, well, he's just lying.

He's not going to do anything. Others get excited and say, okay, I can't wait. This is huge. That's up to you. That's your call, not pushing you one way or the other, just giving you the facts and the details of what's going on. But to be fair, this isn't the first time that Trump has said something like that. In fact, he was on a podcast during the campaign.

I mean, gosh, he was on a ton of podcasts. But on one of the podcasts he was on, they asked him about aliens and UFOs. And he actually said that. He said that very thing. And I remember I forget what show it was. So forgive me. I wish I could reference the show. But I do remember it was back during the summer of 2024, where he mentioned exactly that,

that he would release classified or he would release the documents, declassify them, and release about these assassinations of all those figures I mentioned, along with. what he could release about UFOs. So it makes you wonder, are we really going to see that? Since he said it more than once and even said it right before he became president when he said that on Sunday night. Then he had this moment here, and I actually saw this live, and I tweeted it out, the comment, right away, right after it happened, because I almost fell off my couch when I saw it.

This right here is from last night, okay, as I put this out here on January 21st, 2025. This is from last night in his first interaction inside the Oval Office. He's sitting at the desk in case you didn't see this or not up to date on it. I'll paint the picture real quick. He's sitting at the Resolution desk in the Oval Office. He has a stack of folders in front of him as his eight handsome folders signing executive orders one after the other. And he has the press in the Oval Office with him. And I believe it was the reporter Peter Ducey from Fox News.

He asks Trump about the drones. says, when are we going to find out about these? Do you have some type of timeline? We need to give information on it. And this is what happened. I would like to find out what it is and tell the people. In fact, I'd like to do that. Could we find out what that was, Susie?

Yeah, what do we find out? Immediately. I mean, I can't imagine it's an enemy, or there would have been, you know, people would have gotten blown up all of them. Maybe they were testing things. I don't know why they wouldn't have said what it was. Okay, so again, we heard him say that recently at a governor's dinner

while he was still president-elect, but to watch that interaction, when he says, Susie, he's talking to his chief of staff, Susie Wiles, and he says, can we find that out immediately if we could? And he did mention at that governor's dinner that I referenced, that he would try to give that information the day after he becomes president. Well, today is that day after, and I don't believe, unless I miss something here as I'm recording this episode, that he's given that information on the drones. So I think he's got a couple more things that he's trying to work.

on all at once. But the question is, will we see that? And I do believe that this is an issue that Trump's administration and his cabinet members will take seriously. Again, even on his case, he has been asked this many times before and he says he wants to look into it and release what he can. But when you look at his cabinet members, someone like John Ratcliffe, who was the former head, the director of national intelligence, I mean, that's a position where you find these things out. and now he is getting ready to be confirmed as the new head of the CIA. So that's somebody that's been in the trenches before with this information. And now goes to the top of the line as director of the CIA.

And you have someone like Cash Patel. Now Cash Patel is still up for confirmation. He hasn't been confirmed yet to be director of the FBI. But in the past, he's mentioned, and I believe it was on the Sean Ryan show specifically, where he mentioned about basically releasing everything. So you have these people who are in line with Trump's doctrine of releasing this information. So that's why I think it's important to connect the dots here and talk about how we could possibly see this maybe moment's culture of disclosure even because of this cabinet that Trump has surround himself with. And not to be outdone, you have Marco Rubio.

And you're probably thinking to yourself, well, Stephen, don't forget about Marco Rubio. I haven't. There's a reason why he saved them for last year. Here's just a little reminder about Marco Rubio, who is now, by the way, officially the new Secretary of State. Here's how he has spoken about the UAP issue in the past. We have people that have very high clearances, both today and in the past, who did really important work for our government, or continue to do important work for the government, who have come forward with some claims about the U.S. having in the past recovered exotic materials and then re-reverse-engineered those materials to make advances in our own defenses and technologies.

One or two things is happening here. Either they're telling the truth, and that is something that obviously would be the biggest story in human history, or we have people in really important positions of government who are crazy. So this is a guy, and if you remember,

go back even in 2017, with the famous Leslie Keene article in the New York Times that really kind of blew this topic open to the populace and, you know, started to, it was kind of that catalyst to work away this. stigma on this discussion and really put it out into the mainstream. That was one of those catalysts there. And Marco Rubio was a part of that article. He had quotes in that article.

So this is the guy that has taken this question, this topic seriously in the past, who is now the Secretary of State. So you have Marco Rubio, have Cash Patelio of John Rackcliffe, and you have Trump himself, the president, who have all spoken on this and who have talked about pointing this information out there in the past. Again, the question remains, will we see that come to fruition? For what it's worth, my money says that this is the most serious administration has taken this outside of maybe something like with John Podesta when he was part of the Obama administration where John Podesta took this information, this question.

He worked on this a lot and behind the scenes with someone like Tom DeLong. I mean, you want to go back when we talk about taking the stigma away and putting it on it to the mainstream. Tom DeLong absolutely helped to do that. So there's been people in the past, of course, Senator Harry Reid. I mean, my goodness, he was huge on this. Really, one of the originals to really bring this question to light and try to bring it to the mainstream. So when you have those, but those were pieces. Those were kind of outliers.

Now you, I believe it looks like anyway, you have an administration that is taking this seriously as a whole. But not to be outdone. How about our old buddy Tim Burchett? Yes, of course, we all know Tim Burchett as someone who has taken this question very seriously and has been on the congressional oversight and asked the questions at the congressional hearings both times. Timberchette has been appointed to the Department of Government Efficiency. Now, why is that noteworthy? Because if you're not up to date on what the mission of the Department of Government Efficiency or Doge, for sure,

short, the mission of their department is to basically hunt down any type of wasteful spending from the government and slash all those different things and save money and try to cut the deficit. So why does that relate to Tim Burchett? Well, remember, he's spoken about black programs before and what is the Pentagon spending money on? How are they failing audits? Here's just a little bit of that from one of his past interviews. They cannot account for over a trillion dollars in national. sets, man. I mean, that's over, that's like they can't account for a battleship and no one's holding them accountable. They're spending that money on something. They won't issue, they have

reports, they give them to us and they're heavily redacted. They have photographs, they have film, they have footage. We've had sworn testimony to tell us that. And they've also told us this is not any of our enemies or our allies or our, we don't have the capability. Humans don't even have the capability to survive in the movement. So again, worth noting there how Tim Burchett is spoken about Pentagon, you know, just missing money, a trillion dollars, just, just gone. So now he's going to be looking into these things, and you better believe that he's going to be trying to find what type of secret projects a trillion dollars goes to.

So again, just mentioning all this not to, I've said it a million times, that's probably annoying at this point, but just to mention it again. not saying any of this to sway one way or the other politically. That's not what UAP is about. But this is the administration. This is who's in charge. And this is what's happening and what they've said before. And now they're in these positions of power.

So it is absolutely worth mentioning that maybe, maybe it could point to a scenario where we see more openness in this discussion and quite possibly even more information leaning towards something, some type of disclosure. Maybe is it little bits of disclosure or is it that disclosure with a capital D? We'll find out. But I think it's kind of exciting. The prospects of it are exciting anyway. I can't help but to be excited at the prospects of this.

So we'll see how it all shakes out. And you know I'm going to be here to cover it all. Whatever happens over the next coming days, weeks, months, years, I'll do my best to cover it all as always right here on UAP. But before we go here today, just a couple of final thoughts that I thought were worth mentioning before we wrap up. I do believe, you know, someone asked me on Twitter a few days ago

just to kind of give my two cents on the Jake Barber's story. So I've thought, you know what? I know I'm going to talk about it on UAP, but let me just write something real quick. And one of the things I wrote was he's for real and, you know, his story is vouched for by a lot of different people in, you know, who are highly regarded in their positions.

And the video, which I'll get to in a second, has been confirmed as well. And there are details in that video that I can confirm to be real. So all that being said, make of his story what you will. But the fact is, he's real, his background is real. He says who he is. But the question still remains, you know, what do we make of the video of what they're recovering? We know that he recovered something.

But that's the question is that it becomes a little bit ambiguous to decide for yourself where it's like, okay, but what did we see in that video? And that's where you kind of have that moment of, okay, which one is it? And I'm certainly not here to convince you one way or the other. Always leave it up to you to decide, especially on this very hot topic. So that's the first thing. We know that Jake Barber is who he says he is. So since now we've reached this point where we're actually talking about recovered UAP. There's a video, there's talks of psionics, what's going to be the next drip of information? Because that was my biggest thing and the response that I put out on Twitter to the person who asked me. My thing was

this is very controlled. And I do believe that. This is a very highly controlled situation. Disclosure is not something that happens willy-nilly by accident randomly. Disclosure is a very highly controlled operation. And I use the term operation very deliberately because it is an operation. There are people in charge of this information and how it comes out. And the Jake Barber testimony and video was the next step in this slow drip of disclosure. So I mentioned the domino effect earlier. What is going to be that next domino to fall? Who is it going to be? Do we get a next whistleblower? Is it an existing whistleblower that comes out with a new statement? There's talk that Luella Zondo is going to have something big in the next week or so. Is that the next, you know,

domino to fall, the next drip of info that comes out. Will the drips become bigger as we go forward? These are all things that remain to be seen, but I do believe as we do move forward, more and more is going to be happening. And we are in very, just my opinion, very exciting times with a lot of prospects for the future in this disclosure conversation. I really can't wait to see what happens next because more and more just keeps happening.

one thing and before I get to the helicopter statement the information that I received on that video and maybe this is trivial maybe this is I don't know doesn't apply too much but it is something that from personal experience something that I noticed as I was watching the interview and Ross Colthard is talking to Jake Barber

actually my wife was sitting on the couch because she doesn't normally get into this conversation And even with UAP, she's never really even listened to an episode before. And that's fine. That doesn't, you know, offend me or make me upset or anything. It's just not a topic that she's into. And that's perfectly okay. But I had this on in front of her and she's watching it.

And she looks at Jake Barber and she says, he's doing that I thing that you do. That freaks me out. So what does that mean? So she always, and I don't notice that I do this. But she says to me, she's asking me a question. Say she's asking me, you know, okay, what are we going to do? next week for this event, you know, our kid's birthday or something. And as I'm thinking, as I'm answering a question, my eyes, apparently, again, I don't know that I do this, but she calls

me out on it because she hates it. My eyes start to move rapidly, almost like a rapid eye movement you would have when you have a dream, because as I'm answering the question, I start picturing the scenarios and how we're going to do this and how we're going to lay out our plans for that weekend. So I'm actually picturing it in my mind as I'm describing something. And as we're watching this interview with Jake Barber, it's the first thing that she noticed. She saw Jake Barber moving his eyes very fast as he was describing the crash retrieval and the feelings of emotion that we were talking about before, all those, you know, that feeling of love and the spirituality that he described during those encounters.

And it's really struck me. I was like, wow, you're right. He's doing that fast eye movement. And I can tell you from experience because I do it too when I'm, I do that fast eye movement, it's because I am recounting something, describing something, so I'm picturing it in my head. So when you have that eye movement like he had, that tells me, anyway, that he's actually remembering. This isn't something that he was making up. He's actually sitting there and recounting these pictures in his head to describe it and answer the questions

that Ross Colthardt was asking him. So again, maybe that's a trivial point, but it's something that stuck out to me because it's something that I do and I know why I do it. So take that for what it's worth. Lastly, before we close out here today, I wanted to give you a statement and this is exclusive. I haven't put this out anywhere else. I saved it for today to end the episode on. It's a statement I received from someone who, and I have to word this carefully. I actually kind of wrote this down here on so I wouldn't mess it up. Saying that, that I spoke to someone in the military who has connections to a seasoned combat pilot with intimate knowledge of UH60 capabilities, the helicopter, of course, UH60 capabilities, and they had this to say. That's the note that I wrote to myself over the weekend when I received this information.

According to this person in the military who has connections to this seasoned combat pilot with intimate knowledge of UH60, capabilities. They say regarding the video that we saw with the night vision, okay, from the bottom of the helicopter, they said you can't fake that. You would know what a hoist load looks like under night vision goggles. And very few people know what that look like. And even fewer people have access to a helicopter and a hoist system and the skill to fake that video. So this is something that goes back to knowledge and know-how and what that scenario, what that specific type of footage would look like. And according to this combat pilot with intimate knowledge of the systems, that's not something you could fake because very few people know what it looks like.

That's not something that somebody would go on their computer unless you know what it looks like and you decide to fake it. Otherwise, it's extremely unlikely. And they go on to say that that video that we saw is exactly what a hoist video looks like. like under night vision goggles from a helicopter like that that Jake Barber was flying. So again, that's information I received over the weekend just to kind of confirm and put a stamp on as far as a source that's not connected to Jake Barber or Ross Colthart or anybody in that circle. But a secondary source who has experience flying helicopters like that and has understanding of the systems involved. for them to come out an independent source is probably the better thing to say

an independent source that I was able to find that out from to kind of confirm that at least that video is the real deal. But again, what are they retrieving in that video remains the question that people are kind of, you know, arguing about. Is it nothing or is that actually something that is not of this world? Of course, it's always up to you to decide.

But man, that was fun. A lot of good stuff. to discuss. I told you was a big one. Loaded discussion here today and I'm so, I was so excited to come on here and talk about all this with you today and put this out for episode 105 of UAP. So I hope you enjoyed the conversation and so much more to come, of course, because I believe we are going to be hot and heavy from now on when it comes to all this stuff. And I can't wait to cover it all right here on UAP. We'll see what happens next. But speaking of coming up next, look forward to putting out this episode. I got to speak to Darcy Weir, who is a fantastic

filmmaker. He's done a lot of great work in the past. Darcy and I got to speak a few days ago about his new film that covers what I think is one of the most incredible, remarkable, unexplainable abduction cases, close encounters in history. And that is the Pascagoula case from 1973. If you're not familiar with that, I'm sure you probably are. But if you're not, and even if you are, you're definitely going to want to hear this episode because we go into some pretty cool detail. Some stuff that I didn't even know about that case when it comes to Pascagoula, the abduction case there from 19. 73 and Darcy we are made his new film titled Patscagoula 73 and we go into detail about that case which I really enjoy doing because that's one of those cases that I really have wanted to dig into and I haven't really got the opportunity until we spoke to really ask the questions about that case. So look forward to putting that episode out coming up for episode 106 of UAP. But until then, as always, thanks so much for joining me here. And don't forget to download it, subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts on any of the platforms, Apple, Spotify, all the good stuff.

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