UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 106 The Pascagoula Abductions & JFK Files Released

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

This wide ranging episode begins with Stephen Diener speaking with Darcy Weir, the director of the new movie, "Pascagoula 73" as they discuss one of the most compelling abduction cases of all time. Then, how will the order of the release of the JFK files impact UFO disclosure? All that and more in another loaded episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome back into UAP. Stephen Dean are back with you here, as always, on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast for episode 106 as we go ahead and cover a pretty cool case, actually. And I know there's a lot of other things going on, but let me explain first. This is going to be covering, for the first part here, Pascagoula, the incredible abduction case out of Pascagoula, Mississippi back in 1973. And I cover that with Darcy Weir. So in this episode, I actually recorded this interview with Darcy about five days ago or so.

We got together, and so a lot has happened in five days, I guess is my point. But we got together and wanted to talk about his work that he's done covering and documenting the Pascagoula case of 1973. And he actually came out with a movie about it. It's called Pascagoula 73. So we're going to talk about his new film here and how you can watch it. What is it, the different details that he uncovers about. that incredible abduction case. Like, if you're not familiar with it, by the way, you keep hearing me say Pascagoula, 73, and you're like, what the heck is that? Why do I care? It's one of the most

incredible, compelling, and maybe even convincing experiences in the history of uphology. I mean, you're talking about really hard to refute statements from these two men, and actually more than the two men who got abducted, which I didn't even know until I spoke with Darcy here today. So, the meat of the episode here is myself and Darcy. We are again, we did this about five days last week covering his new movie here. And we're going to really go in depth, kind of like an old school feel actually, to UAP, going in depth into a story, giving the details and everything like that. And so as we go into that, it's really, really, again, compelling, interesting stuff for this case. But then we can kind of go into, it evolves into more of a discussion of the

current landscape of things when it comes to the, I guess, the political side of the UAP discussion. You know, what does the, what can we expect when it comes to a new Trump administration? Who surrounds him? How is this conversation going to evolve? And after that, and we also go into a little bit something about what George Knapp said as well. And what I want to do is after the interview is over, again, really cool discussion.

Darcy's a great guy and has a lot of knowledge in this field. made a bunch of different movies, by the way. And so with this one with Pascagoula, 73, is really cool to get to talk to him about this case, because it is one of my favorite cases, actually, and I've wanted to do a deep dive. I spoke it about it a little bit before in the past, but really got to ask a lot of questions here when it came to it.

But after it's all done, I want to come back and talk more about some of the things we touched on, specifically what George Knapp had to say to Darcy, that he speaks about here in this interview about kind of like the current disclosure landscape, and also how the political landscape is going to affect this discussion and affect disclosure, especially now with the latest breaking news that we saw yesterday with Donald Trump, President Trump, signing the executive order to release the classified information, all the files surrounding JFK,

RFK, and Martin Luther King Jr. And their assassinations. How is that going to affect them? is John Ratcliffe become the CIA director. So there's a lot of, there was a lot of dominoes that fell yesterday that I want to kind of get to and point out and discuss, but I'll come back and do that after you hear the interview here with myself and Darcy. We are, enjoy this, listen to this discussion about Pascagoula because it really is a fascinating

case that remains unsolved, actually, but credit to Darcy for putting this new film together. So first part here, myself and Darcy, we are talking about his new film and those other subjects I mentioned and then stick around for after that. We're going to get into some of those other things as well before we're all done. So for now, here's myself with Darcy Weir on this episode 106 of UAP. Enjoy. And really happy to have Darcy Weir here now, a filmmaker, director, and just a great guy is really knowledgeable in the field of UAP. Darcy, thanks for joining UAP.

I'm really happy to have you on today. Hey, Stephen. Good to meet you again. That's right. Well, you say again and actually a little bit of a, I guess, little funny story. You and I had never met before until the congressional hearings, actually, that took place in November. And I just, I flew in to D.C. from West Palm Beach. And Steve Bassett invites me over to meet him up at his office so we can talk about everything that was going to go on.

And I knock in the door and there's Darcy opening the door for me as he's filming an interview with Steve Bassett. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm sorry. I just interrupted your entire production. So we, I'm happy to meet you again here. Yeah, it was funny. It was a good way to first meet you. I'll always recognize your face now. That's good, but I also apologize that you have to deal with my face now. All kidding aside, though, I want to first talk to you about your new film because I know you worked really hard on this. It's Pascagoula 73, and it's out right now, correct? Yeah, it's on Amazon Prime.

I love it. And I love the look of it, and I love the subject, because for anybody who doesn't know, I'm going to have you explain a little bit, or maybe you know a little bit you think you know about, the Pascagoula case of 1973 in Mississippi, the abduction case there. It's one of the most, to me, and we were actually just talking about this off the air before we started. To me, Darcy, I have to tell you, it's one of the most fascinating cases of all time, in my opinion. Like, it's up there with the aerial school in Zimbabwe. It's up there with Rendell Shim Forst. Like, it's on my short list of, if nobody's ever heard about any.

any case before, like a total, you know, UFO alien novice. This is one of the cases I would mention. So if you could talk a little bit about the background of Pascagoula and what kind of led you into making this film. Yeah. So when I first came across the information of this film, I thought, okay, I could probably sum it up in about, you know, an hour, hour and a half maybe. but I started pouring over all of the data, you know, the facts and data, the different witnesses

that range from police officers to Coast Guard, the abductees themselves, and now there's actually multiple abductees that have come forward other than the actual two men themselves, Charlie Hickson and Calvin Parker. Maria and Jerry Blair are new abductees that we investigate and interview in the documentary series. So we break it down over four episodes. Each episode is about an hour. First episode is the abduction case and Charlie Hickson's side of the story, how he witnessed the phenomenon. The second episode is Calvin Parker's perspective.

how he witnessed the phenomenon and lived the rest of his life. We also have his hypnosis session, and we show through the hypnosis session reenactments of what he witnessed. The third episode is Maria and Jerry Blair, a couple that were on the other side of the river that night that claimed that they were also abducted. Wow. And then the last episode, the fourth episode, is actually a tribute to Philip Mantle,

the investigator that really poured over this case and built up all of the data and, you know, really extracted as much as he could that was factual about this UFO encounter really happening. And, you know, we discuss how he got into UFOs, his sort of legacy, and then how he met Calvin Parker eventually. He rewrote Charlie Hickson's book and he's published three books on the Pasca Gula 73 case. Yeah, wow, that's incredible. I didn't know that there were actually other abductees in this case because I've only ever investigating myself, Charlie Hickson and Calvin Parker. And they always seemed to me, Darcy, they always seemed pretty believable.

I mean, it seemed like just two regular guys out of Mississippi, small town guys just doing their thing. And they found themselves in an extraordinary situation where they describe in detail this incredible abduction scenario that they went through. Yeah, yeah. They, you know, there's other abductees that people. may take note of in history. There's Betty and Barney Hill that happened in the 1960s. During Project Blue Book and they contacted the Air Force. The Air Force basically said, you know, something happened here because there was radiation

detected on their car and, you know, there was holes in their clothes where they said that procedures were conducted on them and stuff. There's Travis Walton case, of course, that happened in snowfall. Lake, Arizona. Also in the 70s, might I add. And you also have multiple sort of experiences like the Ariel School in South Africa. You've got the Westall 66 case, over 200 daylight witnesses to a craft touching down behind a school, high school, elementary school students, and teaching. teachers, many of them are still alive today and can attest to the same story that they witnessed. So this phenomenon spans, I mean, you've even got the Russia, Russian incident where I believe

a craft touched down in a small town and it's called Veroznyev. these tall occupants got out of an egg-shaped craft and a small sort of robot occupant got out and kids and adults all saw this in broad daylight. So it doesn't just happen in the United States, but this case, this abduction case is quite fascinating because there were police officers, Coast Guard, Air Force personnel involved with it. There was. was multiple citizens that also saw objects that night. And, you know, gave their testimony to seeing this object flying around. It's just these two men said we were taken on board the craft.

And then subsequently this couple that said we were on the other side of the river that night. And we were also taken on board the craft after they dropped you off. Amazing. So we're talking about like a mass abduction case. I mean, can you explain when you really looked into this and dove into this for the film Darcy and for the four episodes, what did you find out as far as the details where they said, you know, what did they see? What did they experience? What did the aliens look like? These details that you discovered as you were making these.

What did you discover there that really caught you off guard? Yeah. So Charlie and Calvin, they both were fishing that night. Essentially, Charlie had been working at this steel sort of shipyard. They were, you know, he was a manual laborer. Yeah. And he was in his 40s. Then you have Calvin Parker who had just moved in with him.

They were friends because. Charlie was friends with Calvin's father. Calvin was 19 years old. They were separated by decades and age. That night after they finished work, because Calvin had just started working at the same shipyard. He was trying to make a little money for himself. He ended up just getting a new car.

And Charlie's a very social guy. I said, hey, why don't we go for fishing? after work. So they collected Calvin's car. They got some fishing bait and got their equipment. They went to this river. The funny thing is that they thought when they first saw this light approaching from the river, a blue colored light, then it kind of vanished.

And then they saw this light emanating from behind them. They thought that the police were arrived. because it was blue and it was shining quite bright. They thought they were in trouble. They were walking past a sign as they were going to this kind of broken down dock to fish off of. They thought they, because they were trespassing, they were in trouble because there was a sign that said, you know, do not trespass. Don't pass this point. Right.

And when they turned around, lo and behold, it was actually this incredibly bright object that was, you know, kind of oval shaped. And it was illuminating so bright. They were kind of blinded. These three occupants of their craft emerge. They hovered down to them floating. And, you know, the men will remark that they didn't have eyes. They didn't have ears. They didn't have mouths.

They had these metallic protrusions from their heads, like one through the middle of their face. And then, you know, where their ears could be one on either side of their head. And their leg, they didn't really have legs. They had a sort of like podium stump that resembled kind of two legs fused together under eight. And then they had arms with kind of like claw type. hands that they were grabbing these men with. And they floated them aboard the craft. Charlie was taken into one room to the right and to the left down a corridor.

You know, that's where Calvin went. And they had two very different experiences. Oh. And they sound like, I mean, I don't know. I mean, this is just me putting two and two together here, Dorsey. but they kind of sound like some type of robot. It doesn't sound like a, you know, a sentient being, if you will. I mean, if you think I'm off on that?

No, you're bang on there. That's exactly what the men reported themselves. They believed these basically to be kind of like worker bee, droids. Yeah. You know, Calvin, when he was taken into his room, he actually did eventually see what he called the lady. It was like a blonde-looking, uh,

thin, very thin lady that had, uh, blue eyes and she was very stoic. Didn't really have resemble any, uh, emotions, but, um, you know, was carrying out her work on him and, uh, taking some blood,

putting something else inside of his body like a substitute liquid. Um, and the, Android-type robot was just kind of going to a corner of the room and shutting down. So, yeah, you're bang on with that description. Calvin was kind of going through more of a procedure. And Charlie was suspended in the middle of a room where he said an orb kind of came out of the wall. and it was examining kind of going over his body from top to bottom and back.

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made them come out to talk about this back in the day? Because remember, yeah, we're talking about 1973, and for anybody to come out and talk about these things now is a big deal. I mean, there's still a stigma. It's less than it was, for sure. But, I mean, they had to know. know the risk involved, right, to come out and go public with their story. What do you think led them to ultimately doing that and coming out to tell their story and

to, you know, kind of report their claims? Well, Calvin Parker, for the record, he did not want to come out at all. He actually begged Charlie not to tell anybody about the case because of that. First of all, he was going through PTSD. The moment they were dropped back on that river. Bank. He was freaking out completely in shock. He was only 19 years old. Charlie was much older, had had more lived experience. He had actually served in the Korean War during that experience, thought he was going to die, but made it out, you know. And so he had lived some other traumas in

his life. And Calvin just never had that. So Calvin, first of all, was still scared, didn't want to tell the public. He just wanted to forget about it and blocked the memory, which I think a lot of experiencers have. I think they are worried about the stigma. And also, they're just frightened of what they experienced. Charlie collected Calvin. He basically got him to his feet, got him, you know, speaking again, calmed him down as much. as he could within the time. And then they went to the town. They drove to town. They at first went to the news agency to see if they could come in and tell their story. It was closed. It was too late at this time. They also wanted to know what time it was because neither of them had a watch.

They wanted to try to indicate how long they were aboard the craft. They went from there to a pay phone, they called the Air Force Base. They called Keesler Air Force Base, which is well known in the Mississippi area. And the attendant at night at the Keesler Air Force Base basically indicated there's no one there that could take their account at that time. And additionally, they had no longer taken accounts like that because Project Blue Book had shut down. And they had decided during Project Blue Book that there was nothing to these cases. So sorry. So that was an interesting aspect because actually the next call they made was to the sheriff to the police station and Sheriff Fred Diamond collected them and they had this interview which led to a secret

tape being recorded in the police station. The secret tape we brought the volume up and and subtitled and stuff for the documentary so it's more legible. But essentially the men were in a panic still when the police officers left the room. They asked them, you know, before they left, you did any drugs, you know, you drank anything tonight. Typical stuff you would ask somebody that's frantic. Sure. They said, no, no, nothing like that, sir.

And then they just launched into discussion between each other, like, no. No one's going to believe us. These guys aren't going to believe us. You know, how could those things come down and take us like that? But, you know, if you don't believe the secret tape, the Air Force actually did reach out to Calvin and Charlie subsequently. Once they saw this story hit the news because one of the police officers leaked this case, to the news the next day. You know, they were being swarmed at their place of work at the shipyard.

They couldn't get to work. The owner of the shipyard even said, you know, I'm going to call a doctor and get you guys some medical help. And I'm going to also let you guys see some press while you're here. But it's interrupting with the work. So you might have to go home. but the Air Force eventually called in Charlie and Calvin. They examined Charlie because they wanted to see if there was radiation. And radiation is something that seems to come up quite often, something that John Burroughs was

examined for at the Bent Waters or Rendlesham case in the U.K. and, you know, radiation is always something that seems to be an indicator that maybe there was a presence. Yeah, you're so right. We've seen that in so many cases, and it is a very odd common factor there. I am wondering, too, Doris, did they, what kind of lasting effects did they have? Now, obviously, mentally is a different story. You know, psychologically, the lasting effects, I'm sure, were extreme. but were there any, like, medically proven physical effects that they had that were lingering that really just could not be explained other than something happened to them that's really

couldn't be explained in general? Yeah. So believe it or not, that week by Friday, it happened on October 11, 1973. but on the Friday, J. Allen Heineck and James Harder, they arrived in town to interview the two men. And they actually conducted their own physical of them. And they took pictures and they saw that there were puncture wounds on different parts of their body where they said they felt pain. But they felt that pain very briefly and then felt very briefly. and then felt very relaxed.

So the men believed that there was something injected into their bodies when they were picked up. It was meant to relax them so that the procedures would go over with less of a struggle, let's say. So we do include those pictures in the documentary. They also, the very first hypnosis session that happened with Charlie that Friday, Calvin wanted to stay away from the press. He wanted to stay away from the public. He didn't want to talk about this case for a long time. It was mostly Charlie that was talking about it at first.

But later on, Calvin obviously talked as much as he wanted about it once he became more comfortable with the case. But there were no lingering health effects that I heard of. of. That's actually a really good question. I should have asked Philip Mantle that, because Philip Mantle really is like the lead investigator of this case in the world. He's written three books and he was the guy that poured over all of the data and provided it to me so that I could include it in the docu series. And it was, you know, obviously something traumatic, like psychologically, lead. It was something that these two men had to deal with for a long time. Right. But it's just sometimes

you hear about these lasting effects, whether of course psychologically or physically that really can't be explained. I'm curious with the other abductees too because, you know, when it comes to this case, we always hear about the two men, right? I mean, that's that, there are the ones who were out there more as far as Charlie and Calvin. But we talk about the other ones, the other people who were across the river. So they found themselves in the same situation, too. I'm not really familiar with the other abductees. That sounds really incredible, actually. Yeah, that's right. So essentially what happened was Maria and Jerry Blair, they came to a commemorative monument that has been erected in Mississippi on the Pascagoula, River.

River in the past five years, I believe. It was like 2000 something that it went up. They went to that and they met with Calvin Parker because at this time, Charlie Hickson had passed away. And they told their story. And eventually that story got back to Philip Mantle. Bill Mantle got in touch with them through his contact in the United States because Philip is over in the UK. And he said, well, why don't we do a hypnosis session of Maria Blair? Jerry was at first very sick in the hospital. And he kind of had a deathbed confession to his wife.

He wanted to make sure that she knew the truth that that night something happened to them on the river. But she had mentally blocked it because she was so traumatized. essentially on a dock that was just opposing them on the other side of the river, Jerry was going to get on a boat and do some work for a captain that was doing fishing. And he was going to be gone for maybe a couple days. That's the way that some of those fishing expeditions work. So Maria was coming to say bye to him and hang out with him in the car until he was

picked up and they saw the lights across the river. They saw this light subject UFO, fly down the river and then arrive across on the other side from their vantage point. And they saw it interacting with two men there, apparently. And then it disappeared, shot up in the sky. She indicated that, you know, that light eventually descended, upon them. And when they were on the dock, she saw a man or what she thought was like a gray man splash into the water. When it arrived in the water, she looked down. She saw it wasn't a man. And then all of a sudden it kind of just came upon her. It floated up to her. And she kind of blacked out at that time. But in the hip,

noses session we include in the documentary. You know, the therapist unveils quite a bit more that she realized on the ship that they were extracting like eggs from her. They were taking some blood maybe. And they were doing some kind of physical examination. There was some kind of orbs floating over her body. and then she was deposited back on the riverbank and her husband was there and he admits in the documentary that maybe he was taken at certain parts of his life as well.

It's unbelievable. I mean, you know, you never really heard that part get mentioned a lot in conjunction with this story. Yeah. It's, man, well, it's Pascagoula, 73. And again, it's one of the most fascinating. you know, I guess mind-boggling cases, really, that still hasn't really been explained, right, Darcy? I mean, do we have a lot of answers to this case or a lot of this still kind of remains really in the unexplained section of things, I guess you could say?

Well, we know that something happened that night. There was a UFO flap happening at the time. Many, many, many people. If you watch this series, at least a dozen people have come. forward to, you know, give their testimony about this encounter or objects that they saw in the sky. Believe it or not, the Coast Guard chased a bluish-colored object that was navigating the river. And they poked it with a stick and it was some kind of illuminated USO just around the same time.

So, you know, you have multiple witnesses that saw that. Even the sheriff, Sheriff Fred Diamond, the night before these men said they were abducted, he said later in the newspaper that he and his men saw an object flying around in the sky that night. So something definitely was there. But I think we should take experiencers cases seriously. I think they're the other piece of the puzzle. We know the military is involved with these things. We know that government officials are keeping this under wraps.

And there are possibly crash-crash retrieval programs and stuff going on. But the other piece to that puzzle are the citizens that experience this. And sometimes the citizens are experiencing occupants to craft because they're taken on board or they're witnessing them coming off the craft. And I think we need to account for all of it. We need to investigate all of it. Absolutely. So again, Pascagoula 73, you can find it on Amazon Prime. Really, really great work, Darcy. It's just a remarkable story that continue to kind of boggles my mind at least. Again, one of those top five stories for me

where if you're going to try to find something to show somebody who's new to this field, say, hey, take a look at this one and try to explain it. It really is that mystifying. Speaking of mystifying, before we're done here today, I didn't want to kind of ask you about the current climate of things and the current environment of the UFO cases and disclosure as people try to push towards, you know,

disclosure and everything. One of the moments that was very big in that push, we mentioned at the start of the show when you and I were both in Washington, D.C. for the UAP hearings. You were there. How did you experience that? And how do you think we've come away from that now? We're about two months removed from those hearings. Where do you think we are now versus where we were going into those hearings in early November? Well, I think, you know, we're experiencing. Disclosure unfold. I think that disclosure really started in 2017 with the groundbreaking article in The New York Times and the leak of those UAP videos from the DOD by Lou Elizondo and Christopher Mellon. I think that we are just in a wave of disclosure and we're experiencing it each

year unfold. I think that hearing was amazing because they discussed, you know, so many things in congressional record that are now recorded in congressional record by lawmakers for the first time in history. Things like abductions and hybrid programs and, you know, bases in the ocean or underground that may not be human of origin and, you know, all kinds of things that never were discussed in previous congressional hearings or within the government. So really, really interesting stuff to see that happen. And look, we're about to have a change of administration. John Ratcliffe would be taking over as the.

you know, the top pick for the CIA. Right. And this guy has been quite vocal about the UAP or UFO issue. And the CIA has been very close to this issue over the decades. In fact, many people could interpret them as one of the layers of this men-and-black phenomenon, intercepting cases around the world, going to find out about what's happening. in different countries or different states or provinces or anywhere in the world that these things happen. Then you've got Donald Trump even, you know, discussing possibly bringing Lou Elizondo in to start up his own UFO investigation group within the government.

Maybe it would be better than Arrow currently. maybe it would be better if there was a more independent and seasoned team that understands that this phenomenon is real instead of like a mainstream debunking team than catching all cases and not reporting them like Arrow seems to be doing. There are many politicians that have been interested in this. Nancy Mace, Matt Gates, Eric Burleson, and Timberchette. I mean, there's been so many. And just so many, it's bipartisan.

There's so many politicians that are engaged in this. There seems to be a time in history that we are seeing unfold here where this may go fully mainstream and be accepted by the powers that be. And we may get, you know, I was talking to George Knapp yesterday in person. I had a chance to interview him in Las Vegas. And he's convinced that the DOD, which are the powers that have controlled this and their partners, the industrial complex around them, they have kept this information secret for over 70 years, right, if you believe Roswell. And he's convinced they'll never let the full truth of this out.

They'll only let the truth that benefits them. And if you think about it, that makes sense. That does make sense because why would they want to admit that they've been engaged with possible non-human intelligence? Why would they want to admit that they have ruined people's lives or possibly killed people that tried to reveal the information about this? before they were ready, that would incriminate them and make them look very bad. So I don't think it's in their best interest to reveal this information, but they might reveal more. And that layer of secrecy that gets unveiled and the truth that comes out may allow us as a community

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forget you're on a plane. And that's the point because when you fly with Hawaiian airlines, it's hard to tell where your flight ends and vacation begins. Hawaii starts here. Yeah, I think you bring up two great points, actually. One of them being, you know, the administration coming in, you mentioned name like, you know, John Ratcliffe or Marco Rubio was

involved early on and going back to 2017 in these discussions with the New York Times article and everything like that. So you have an interested party. And I'll even kind of add on to that, so you have Donald Trump Jr., who on his own show that he does on Rumble, where he used to talking to Lou Alizondo on multiple occasions. He's talking to Ross Coldhard. So they're in his ear. And of course, we know who Don Jr. talks to, of course, is the president of the United States now. So it's, I think in my lifetime, well, I shouldn't say, I think I know in my lifetime, I've never seen a more pro, at least UFO, UAP discussion group where there actually, you've had people in the past who don't look at this as the taboo subject. They, they, they, they, they,

look at this seriously, they've taken it seriously, they want to find out, they ask the questions. So to have kind of like this crew, I guess you could say, his group altogether, it may bode well to finally make us get past what actually Stephen Bassett calls the truth embargo. Maybe we do get past something like that, at least to a certain extent. And because I do think the other thing that I found interesting there, what you said, was about George Knapp, then I do think he's correct in that this is more of a slow drip approach. And I wonder if you agree with me. And then I know we kind of get out of here in a little bit, but I wonder if you agree with me in that we are seeing, in my estimation, kind of like the slow drip approach.

It's not the catastrophic disclosure. Because if you can go back to 2017, now that's an eight-year process. To me, that's not all at once. That is kind of like a slow drip thing. And more and more has been happening every year. And I do think that George Knapp is right in that they're only, when I say they, those in charge of the truth embargo are only going to feed us the information that they deem worthy, meaning not to put so much national security risk out there. Or really, quite frankly, Darcy, not to incriminate themselves or others of people who have done terrible things in the past.

Am I off on that or are we kind of on the right track? No, I think you're you're bang on. And I mean, this is the dawn of a new era in terms of the truth of, you know, the reality we live in. And science, I hope, will continue to open up to this phenomenon and will be more acceptable by people like more people that are engaging with the phenomenon. other than Avi Lope and Michael P. Masters, you know, PhD scientists that are teaching at universities and trying to figure out with facts and new data whether this phenomenon is fully real.

I think they believe it is. So we might be experiencing a bit of a sea change and there's going to be more whistleblowers that come forward. Not all whistleblowers are made the same. Not all whistleblowers are going to be telling the truth. Some people are going to pray on the community and want to take advantage of the gullibility and the excitement behind all this and get their minutes of fame and their money too, right? So we have to be aware of all that.

But there is going to be, I think, some opportunities for greater truths that we have never seen before. Yeah, I think you're right. It is kind of, it feels like uncharted waters, uncharted times. And I'm so excited that we get to, you know, live through it and investigate it and report on it. It's, it's truly an exciting time to be in this field. And I mean, I'm sure I can speak for you when I say I feel privileged to be able to be doing what we are doing right now, because there's never been a time like this in history where there's so much talk surrounding this and seemingly, people coming out willing to talk about it, saying that it is true. So we're just going to go along for the right to our scene and see how this all develops. But I do think you're right in that. You have

something very profound there that I think is science does need to catch up. The scientists, maybe some of the old school scientists or thinking the old school ways, they need to catch up a little bit, I think, and realize that there's some things that, you know, maybe as all knowing as they think they might be in the science field, there's some things that they may not know. I agree. I think some scientific truths have been held back from the public, including maybe exotic technologies that could change our power systems. You know, I remember reading a document that was co-written by NASA and the CIA that would, that stated that back in the 70s, no solar panel technology could hit the market that,

it was more than 20% efficient. So if you just read that on itself, the fact that they would intercept something like a renewable energy that was more than 20% effective or efficient, I mean, that is, that's proof right there that they just don't want certain things out until they want them out. Yeah. And that's the information control that we're plagued by.

100%. Absolutely. Darcy, I wish we had more time. I could talk about it this all day. So I do appreciate you coming on. Before we go, how do people find you, the film, all your work? Where did they go? Yeah. So the film Pascagoula 73 is live on Amazon Prime. You can search my name, Darcy Weir on Amazon, Tobee, Apple TV, and find all kinds of titles that I've published in the past. My studio site is occultjourneys.com. You can see my film trailers, posters, and click on the poster, and it'll go right to a link that you can stream the film, sometimes for free. So thanks so much for having me on. We do do a show on Twitter every Wednesday, Twitter spaces, and we do that live to KGRA radio. So if people want to come on and talk about current events, issues, and kind of have a town hall meeting.

discussion. Please join me on Twitter spaces Wednesday nights. We usually start at about 8 o'clock Eastern time. Fantastic. Maybe I'll have to jump on one of these days. That sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, you're welcome, man. Yeah, absolutely. Darcy, thanks again so much for coming on here. Darcy, congratulations on Pascagoula 73 and all the great work that you do. And hopefully we can talk again soon. Sounds good, Stephen. Thanks for having me on. You got it. Thank you again to Darcy for doing that. really great talking to him and hopefully we can talk again in the future and I'll try to jump on one of those spaces he was talking about on Twitter that they do Wednesday nights at 8 maybe next week. I'll get with him and see if I can join them for that one.

That'll be a lot of fun. But outside of that, so I want to touch on, like I said, I want to pick up where we left off when it comes to what George Knapp was saying where, you know, even when the truth comes out, and I will use the word when because I do think it's coming. There's just too much momentum that is pushing towards. some type of truth coming out when it comes to, you know, alien life, an existence of other life beyond ours here on Earth. And everything else, all the things that go along with that question, there's so much, but I don't want to draw it on. But when it comes to what we're going to find out and how and what's still going to be left in the dark, I got to say when it comes to what George Knapp was telling Darcy that Darcy was referring to, there is a part of me that really does.

agree with what George Knapp is saying when it comes to, we're only going to find out, I guess, bits and pieces. Maybe basic disclosure. I've touched on this before, you know, where we find out, yes, they do exist. Yes, they have come to Earth. Yes, we've covered craft and biologics, like David Grush has said in the past. So maybe that's where they keep it. Because to George Knapp's point, who, it's going to be hard to really reveal everything

because of the implications for those involved over the past 80 years of this cover-up. I mean, you're going to have people going to jail. You're going to have to admit to different crimes, lying to Congress, I mean, lying to presidents. There's going to be a lot, you know, secret black ops, all these different operations around the country.

Like, if this stuff gets spoken about, can you really, and kind of goes back to the question that's, you know, I was talking to it with Ashton Forbes about previously, about opening up Pandora's box. So George Knapp, it's funny, you know, I've never spoken to George Knapp. I would love to talk to him here on the show one day, if possible. But to hear that comment that he made to Darcy really does kind of relate to what I was talking about just a week or two ago with Ashton Forbes, where can we have basic disclosure and just leave it at that? Or will it be inevitable that Pandora's box opens up because of basic disclosure.

Like, there's got to be more dominoes that end up falling. So we'll see it's an interesting thought. It's an interesting discussion and maybe one in a broader range for another time. But just I wanted to touch on that because I do find it a very poignant point that George Knapp makes on that. But we'll see how obviously it all develops hopefully soon as we get to some point of disclosure. But the main thing here I wanted to get to before we're all done is, of course, how. does the current political landscape shape the future of disclosure? And again, this is something that I've brought up in bits and pieces over the past few weeks.

But now, really, as we saw the Domino's fall yesterday, it's kind of a game changer, where President Trump signs this executive order to release the classified information the files surrounding the assassinations of JFK Jr., of RFK and of Martin Luther, King Jr. And these are secrets that have been kept for 60 years, 50, 60 years. And you have to understand, and this is what I wanted to point out with it too, what led up to this. This is, again, very calculated. Something else I've mentioned before when it comes to controlled disclosure. And I'll get to that in a second because I do think these go hand in hand. I know some people disagree with me on this, and that's fine. Perfectly okay, but I'll make my case here before we're done.

when you have step one to me was news that kind of went under um went under the radar and that was the news that's uh president trump had revoked the clearance security clearances for mike pompeo now mike pompeo was the former CIA director before becoming the secretary of state under Trump's first administration. So they revoked his security detail and his clearances. That was the first step. And again, I don't know how many people saw that, but it did take place. And then after that, you have, well, really kind of around the same time, Marco Rubio becomes the Secretary of State.

Then you have John Ratcliffe become the head of the CIA. He gets confirmed by the Senate committee. and it wasn't even really that close, actually. I think it was like 74 to 25. I think he was confirmed to be the CIA director. Now, it's significant for John Ratcliffe to be the CIA director because he really had become a disclosure advocate after the first Trump administration.

He had gone on different news shows and different interviews and talked about before openly and freely the technologies that are out there that we cannot identify, that we do not have as, the U.S. government. These craft that can move in, you know, with instantaneous acceleration, the transmedium craft. John Ratcliffe has spoken about these things openly before after the first Trump administration. So in between during the Biden administration, he was talking about these things out in the open.

Because remember, okay, as we connect the dots here, John Ratcliffe was the head of national intelligence. He was director of national intelligence during the first Trump administration. So Trump brings in one of his... trusted guys, moves him up now a step to be the head of the CIA. So how does this all connect with something I just mentioned earlier with Marco Rubio? So you have these two guys who have been advocates for disclosure in the past, especially with Marco Rubio. I mean, this is a guy that goes back to 2017 with the original New York Times article from Leslie Keene. I mean, he's been

talking about this for a while when it comes to national security implications. What are these things? We don't know what's happening in our skies. And now he is the head honcho. He is the top guy. And the man right below him and the director of the CIA with John Ratcliffe is eye to eye with him on this topic. So you have these two guys now in massive positions of power where they hold a lot of these secrets and work with these secrets who have spoken about disclosure and advocacy for being open to the general public about these questions and about these issues. This is not by accident. And that's what I mean by a term when I say controlled disclosure. Because after all that is in place, you have Pompeo gone, you have Ratcliff in, you have Rubio in.

All of a sudden, you have President Trump releasing the files for JFK, RFK, and MLK. Now, I say all of a sudden, he had talked before saying that he was going to do it. So it didn't come as a surprise that it happened. I think people were just caught off guard that it did actually happen. And it happened so quickly. I mean, within the first few days of his presidency, here come these files that have been kept secret for 60 years. So over the next month or so, I think we're going to see those reportedly anyway, those files come out more, and we're going to learn more about what's in those as they come out more to the media and, of course, to the internet sleuths,

who wants that come out, I'm sure we'll all see Cliff Nodes versions, and that'll be very nice to see. But it's all part of, that was kind of like the final step, the final domino to fall, in this new, administration and their positions of power and what information they're going to release. He goes ahead and declassifies those files. So all the positions and all the pieces are in place now because it's always been said and I've even talked about it even on the early episodes of UAP going back to the JFK assassination that's in RFK assassinations actually for that matter. That the UAP issue was involved in those one of the reasons.

why JFK and RFK were taken out. That's always been one of the rumors. I guess we're going to find out if that's true or not. But if it is true, that means we're going to get some type of disclosure from these files if they are connected, which would take us to our next step. The next disclosure domino to fall would be bringing out some of these, if not all, a portion, I don't know, secrets surrounding the UAP issue. and so much so to make another point before we're done

Chuck Schumer pretty powerful senator right pretty powerful Democratic senator comes out after Trump releases these files or signs that order to release the files and retweets the news story about it with his own words Chuck Schumer saying great now do UFOs

and I saw that and was like whoa whoa hold on a second this isn't some you know mayor out of a random town in Idaho. Okay? No offense if you live in Idaho. I'm just trying to think of something that, you know, a little off the board. This isn't that.

This is Chuck Schumer. This is a guy that's been very much involved. Of course, the Schumer-Rounds Amendment, trying to get these issues out there more into the public and has a very, very influential voice in Washington, D.C. And he retweets the president's story saying, now do UFOs. And if that wasn't enough,

Then you have Annapoleon Aluna. Of course, we know her representative here in my state of Florida. And she's been very vocal about this, asking questions at the congressional hearings, we know all about it. And she comes out and says, I agree. Now do UFOs. Which is points to the nonpartisan part of this so well. You have different sides of the aisle. Two, by the way, very vocal sides of the aisle.

Two voices that are not shy about voicing their opinions. one on the Democrat side, one on the Republican side. And they both come together to say, awesome, now do UFOs. This is a massive, massive moment. Make no mistake about it, I truly believe that what we saw last night is not only historic in the sense that we're going to finally see these files after 60 years, but the fact that they do and will connect to the UAP issue. Maybe not secrets in there about the UAP issue itself,

but it will connect in the fact that it opens up the doors for more disclosure, more transparency with the American people. This was one of the big ones that people have been asking for for decades. Now there's another very big one sitting right there that people are waiting for. And that, of course, is the UFO files. This is a massive, massive step toward that. It was a huge moment last night. Make no mistake about it.

It is absolutely connected in all part. in my opinion of what I refer to as controlled disclosure in a manner to avoid that catastrophic disclosure. I think maybe even the Jake Barber interviews are part of that. Look, the entire full length, two and a half hour interview just came out last night with Ross Coldheart and Jake Barber. And I've been sifting through those clips and maybe we can touch on that more next week.

But it's extremely fascinating. I mean, some of the stuff that they touch on, that Ross touches on with Jake Barber, is really quite incredible. They talk about zero point energy. They talk about more in-depth with psionics and how that affects everything, the spiritual side of things.

You know, what are people seeing? How does it all connect? So to have a discussion like that out in the open with this two-and-a-half-hour interview between Jake Barber and Ross Coldhart and all the other whistleblowers that come out, Jason Sands, Michael Herrera, all these different people that have come out in the past,

and now here we have advocates for disclosure in major positions of power like Secretary state and head of the CIA. This is the closest we've ever been to some type of disclosure in the UFO arena, in the UAP world, if you will. It's really exciting times. The steps are being taken. It's not your imagination.

We are getting closer. And all these things absolutely do connect. Now, whether or not it's controlled, whether or not it is a step-by-step process, that's up to you. I kind of lean that way. like we've been going through a step-by-step process of some sort. Let's put out this guy. Let's put out this story.

Let's bring this person up to this power, this position of power. Let's release this file. And take us to the next steps one by one. The dominoes of disclosure continue to fall. And that may not be the case for everybody. There might be whistleblowers are coming out on their own and kind of the outsiders, the outliers. But for the most part, I do think we are seeing some type of controlled

situation to bring us closer to disclosure and get everybody more used to the idea, the general public more used to the idea, the congressional hearings I think are part of that, to get people more conditioned to the fact that the stuff does exist and you're going to find out more pretty soon. It does seem that way. Wow, what a time though. Man, it really is something and really exciting times. And I can't wait to see what happens next because it really does feel like there's more

and more that happens every single day. I was actually just talking about this with someone a shout out to a great guy. His name is Parker and he loves the show and he's a great guy and I was talking to him recently. And I was saying, you know, I just try to keep up with all this. And he agreed

it's like just one thing after the other. I kind of equated to being on the freeway and having cars pass you on your left and your right at 120 miles per hour. It's just like being on a racetrack. Like boom, boom, boom. JFK files. Jake Barber and his

view. Egg-shaped UFO. It's insane. And that was just this week, those things I mentioned. So we'll see what happens next week. What is to come next? I can tell you that I do want to touch on next week as far as the drones apparently are becoming another big thing in New Jersey.

Again, the mayor, one of these mayors out of New Jersey talking about the drones that he's seen them himself. And he's taking videos, these bright lights turning in. to airplanes. Now, whether or not that's just a perspective thing, where the airplane looks really bright in the lens, but it's an airplane the whole time, I don't know. But the fact is that this mayor is out there talking

about drones being a big issue, and he's seeing these bright orb lights. And he's been witness to it. So that's becoming a big story again. Tim Burchett was out there just a couple of days ago talking about massive USOs, and no one's really

mentioning that too much. So there's a lot still to get to that's happened. really just in the past couple of days that hopefully I can touch on more next week, including, by the way, this orb technology that I was talking about last week, these stories of MH370-like occurrences that we saw in the video, of course, that's Ashton Forbes have put out, these orbs that circle MH370 in teleport. There has been three different occurrences, all happening last year. where pilots have explained and they're citing of

orbs doing what we saw in the MH370 videos. And I've gathered enough intel on that now because this story isn't out there. Not any of it. These three different occurrences all from last year, they're not out there. It's not known. I'm thankful to be told about it,

so I can tell you about it. So I'm going to go into more detail on that next week. I have enough information now to where I can speak intelligently on it and let you know what happened there. And I'm sure whatever else happens over the weekend. Who knows? Maybe we get disclosure over the weekend. And I scrap all those plans. At this point, anything's possible.

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