UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 109 Psionics, Secrets, & Those Who Have the Answers

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

The man known as "Joeyisnotmyname" speaks with Stephen Diener about how the current questions surrounding whistleblowers like Michael Herrera and Jake Barber might impact their alleged secret psionic programs. Who is really in charge? And are these "assets" willing participants? This discussion gets heavy...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's about continuing the story. Explore your options at kingsley manor.org, a nonprofit month-to-month senior community within the Front Porch family. Welcome back in to UAP for episode 109. Stephen Deiner back with you here as always on the Unidentified Alien podcast. And happy to be back with you for what turned out to be really quite a deep discussion. And hopefully you're ready for it here today as I speak with a man known as Joey is not my name, even though I end up calling him Joey throughout the episode.

Joey is a man who was close with Michael Herrera. Well, still is. And I consider him an insider, but he's a little bit modest about it, and that's fine. And you'll hear us go into that a little bit to start off.

But Joey, like me, was somebody who was in contact with Michael Herrera from an early stage in his whistleblower, I guess, you know, disclosures in his coming out back going back to June of

2023. And if you're not familiar with the story, I'm going to give you a little bit of a primer before we get into it because we don't really, well, I shouldn't say that. You do get a little bit of an explanation, but I'll still give you a tiny bit of an explanation if you're not, for whatever reason, familiar with Michael Herrera

or his story, because he came back out or he came out in June of 2020 during Dr. Stephen Greer's and that's important to note as well, during Dr. Stephen Greer's disclosure, conference that he had in Washington, D.C. And after that, so he told the story about how when he was in the Marines, he was in the

jungles of Asia, and he came across some type of secret operation with this 300-foot, you know, UFO-looking type of craft, and they were loading people onto it, and he thought it was some type of, or they were loading, he didn't see what they were loading onto it, but he thought it was some type of, like, drug smuggling operation. You'll hear us go into all this. But he saw them using this technology of like a UFO. And he thought, well, we're using some type of, you know, futuristic technology, some type of reverse engineer tech. And he came later to find out that they weren't loading drugs.

They were loading people onto this UFO. And that's really where things kind of picked up in Michael Herrera's story. He came back. He's been on my show twice. The last time he was on was in October of 2023, and Mike spoke about being taken to a secret location from an insider, as he called him. And we find out who that insider was. And if you don't know the history of that, you're also going to hear that in this episode. So stay tuned if you don't know who Michael Herrera's insider was.

But this insider, I won't spoil the surprise, this insider took Mike to an undisclosed location, a facility. where they were performing or where they do perform psionic experiments. And they bring people who has psionic abilities or who are wanting to learn psionic abilities to come into contact with NHI and their craft. So his claim on my show back then was that there was some real shady stuff happening with this and that in fact people were dying

who in some cases, you know, They couldn't handle the rigorous training or the rigorous techniques that were used in order to gain these psionic abilities. And that's a pretty big claim to make, an extreme claim to make, but that's a claim that Mike made on my show a year and a half ago. And since then, a lot has happened in this area. Jake Barber came out. Jake Barber talked about psionics with Ross Colthardt, and of course the egg-shaped UFO. But for me, that was the least of that story. That's just my opinion.

So since then, we have found out that Mike Herrera and Jake Barber are actually working together. And Jake Barber reached out to Mike Herrera while Mike had come out with his story and was waiting to become a whistleblower himself. And of course, we know about Jake Barber at this point as far as being the latest whistleblower and recovering the egg-shaped UFO and having a psychic connection to it and having the Skywatcher group and trying to gain, you know, use. people with psionic abilities to gain communication with these craft and their occupants. So that's kind of the backstory about this discussion that you're about to hear and how this all comes together, how Jake Barber and Michael Herrera came together, and what that means for this overarching discussion of people with psionic abilities, how they're being used, and how they're being acquired, and how they're being taught these abilities.

So there's a lot that goes into this. As you can see, it was a longer discussion, but we really went in a lot of different facets and sidewalks here as we were putting all the pieces together. And credit to Joey is not my name, I asked some pretty tough questions, and he wasn't shy about trying to answer them as best as he could with some pretty heavy topics.

And also something you're going to hear in this interview is really a couple of stories. I don't even remember. I think it was one or two. I know at least one for sure. a story that I have never spoken about before, at least my recollection. And if I have, then you can remind me that, hey, hey, Stephen, you did speak about this, you know, so on episode, whatever.

And maybe I forgot. But there is an instance during this conversation with myself and Joey, so to speak, that I relate a story about Michael Herrera of what Mike told me off the air one time. And I had never spoken about it on the air or anywhere. actually for that matter until right now and i i bring that up during the conversation between myself and joey um so really fascinating stuff how does this all connect uh with some of the deeper discussions about you know how people are being brought in uh there's some tough questions that that need to be asked and we get into all of that here during this discussion on uap episode 109

so without any further ado here's myself with joey is not my name and then stick around after this for some final thoughts before we're all done. But for now, here's the interview. Enjoy. Here we go. First time he's ever been on the show. We've heard his name a lot, but that's the first time he's on. Joey is not my name. Welcome to UAP. Thanks for making the time to come on here today for the unidentified alien podcast. Yeah, this is, so this is weird because like usually I'm on the listener side of the podcast. And so you become like hyper aware of like the handful of responses to that, you intro, you know, thanks for having me. It's an honor that, you know, so I'm like, I don't want to just like repeat those cliche things, but we'll just, we'll just start there. It is, it is,

it is an honor, actually, to be here. Because like I said, I'm typically a listener. So, thanks, Stephen. Absolutely. No, I appreciate it. I always, you know, anybody who makes it time to either listen or write a message or come on as a guest. I'm always super appreciative of that. and so I'm happy to have you today. And, you know, you and I have actually spoken in the past before privately, but never on the show. And we've connected because we had a common contact in Michael Herrera. So we're going to get into the enigma of Michael Herrera a little bit today. And some of the things that surround him and Jake Barber, how did they get connected?

What was your knowledge through that as far as what was happening behind the scenes? So let me start there a little bit because I think that's how people know you a little bit And we say you know you go as Joey is not my name But I'm gonna call you Joey because that's the name people see So it's a little ironic So you kind of are known as this You know Michael Herrera insider a little bit You know you guys have formulated a relationship over the past couple of years

You know he's confiding you with a couple different things and you kind of kind of came across some different information that I think we're kind of seeing play out now with Jake Barber. So what did you know about the Jake Barber situation before he actually came out with Ross Colhart? Okay. So let's knock me down a few rungs here. So at this point, you know, my inside knowledge that you allege I have is essentially all public. You know, all of the information that you know Michael Herrera has been talking about over the past couple of years that has been you know told to him by Jake you know it's all public so I don't really have any I would say the the extent of my knowledge that I I can't share publicly I guess would be

you know small bits of corroboration and you know certain you know minor evidence to just support a few different things. But by all means, I have no evidence of any of the extraordinary claims that have been made. So I just want to make that clear so people aren't trying to read into like, you know, the things I say or anything like that. But, but yeah, I mean, I basically just started, you know, my whole, my whole kind of interaction with Michael Herrera just kind of started as I was a Redditor. You know, I was following the topic. Michael came forward. I did an article or article. I made a post on Reddit, just basically digging into some of the stuff he said about the operation that he stumbled upon. And, you know, I, I from there reached out to Michael

and with the intention of trying to further investigate his Indonesia experience. And yeah, we started chatting and texting and going back and forth. And eventually that led to him, you know, telling me about this insider who wanted to meet him in person. and I you know so I was just kind of going along with with that whole process as that unfolded and eventually you know I got to a point where I realized he wasn't lying about that and the way I was able to determine that and what ultimately led to me reaching out to you back in I think that was 2023 a couple years ago was a photograph that Michael had shared with me that showed him sitting in a helicopter with a Glock in his lap. And, you know,

there's some backstory to that situation. But the key thing was the tail number of the helicopter was on the dashboard. And you had to kind of like zoom in to see it. And so once I saw that, I was able to track where the helicopter went. I also authenticated the photo a number of different ways. you know, geolocating, you know, by looking, you know, through the windshield and seeing what's in the background and being able to verify the helicopter was where, you know, where it was, where Michael said it was and all of that. And so this whole, this whole thing made me realize that Michael, at the very least, isn't lying about meeting someone and being flown out to a facility. You know, this was kind of this evolution of his story. You know, first it was Indonesia.

And then all of a sudden he's got this insider and he's being flown out to a facility. And people just kind of wrote that off as like, that's totally nuts. He's like making up stuff and adding stuff to his story. But I knew that that part was true. And so, you know, when I reached out to you, I just wanted to convey that, you know, that proof. And just so you would know that like, okay, he's at least being truthful about this one thing. And then, you know, you could have a conversation. from there. Yeah. And that really is something that I'm glad we got to do. Um, because look, I mean,

let's face it, a lot of the claims Michael Herrera has made, whether it was talking to me privately or on the show or to you privately or anything he said in any other interview, a lot of people have a hard time believing what he has said because it's some of the most fantastic things that people have heard when it comes to claims about UFOs or psionics, whatever it might be. So it was pretty huge to get that corroboration when you and I did get to speak, which, I mean, you know, that led me down a path of like, man, a lot of the stuff could really be happening. And that, that was a, that was a scary thought. I mean, did you go through something similar? Well, I have always approached this, this entire thing, kind of compartmentalizing each thing, you know, so I started from the basics,

like, okay, was Michael a Marine? Was he in Indonesia? Like he said, he was. Was the operation that he was on in Indonesia accurately portrayed by him? And so I've always tried to, you know, start from the basics, build up from there, and just leave everything on the shelf, everything else on the shelf that I personally don't have any experience or evidence of. And I mean, I'm still in that situation. I'm still in that situation. I don't have any evidence of the psionic stuff. I don't have any evidence of a 300-foot UFO.

But the claims that he's making are too important to just dismiss, in my opinion. and everything that I've looked into so far regarding him has, you know, when I've had enough data and corroboration and evidence and to validate everything has checked out. You know, so I don't think we really need to, I think, you know, it's a natural tendency for everybody. whenever a new whistleblower comes forward or a new case or a new story or whatever, we want to form a binary opinion kind of as soon as we hear the story. And it's really hard to do that with euphology because we're talking about some really extraordinary stuff, you know. And so I think it's important to be okay with not having all the answers. Even if it even, you know, in this case, it's, you know, we're two years into it. and to just, you know, have an open mind and just keep pursuing that evidence. That said, and I think that is well said, by the way, because it's very true. You know, we all expect so many things to be given right now. A lot of us expect instant gratification when it comes to some of these topics that come up,

and unfortunately it's just not that easy, especially with some of the recent stuff that has come up with Jake Barber, a name I mentioned earlier. What did you know about Jake Barber before he came out? And what was your reaction when you saw him come out with Ross on News Nation? Well, I was, I mean, there's quite a bit. And honestly, again, if people want to know a lot more about Jake Barber, they should go back to all the interviews that Michael has done over the past two years and listen to what Michael says about this insider that he's, that he's, you know, been talking to because that insider is Jake Barber. That was him.

Okay. So was Jake flying the helicopter? Do we know that or is that? That's my understanding, yes. Okay. That's my understanding. Yeah. So the famous helicopter incident that apparently was Jake Barber flying Michael Herrera to this secret location where the Zionic.

are being done. Yeah, yeah. And so that's unfortunately part of the reason why even now. So like for the longest time, I wasn't even able to talk about this photograph that Michael had sent me because, I mean, even personally, just my perspective was like,

I didn't want Jake to mistrust Michael because obviously he like snapped a picture of himself in this helicopter as he's being flown. to this facility and I didn't I don't think Michael told him that right away I know I've I've spoken to Michael since then and he said he he talked to him about it and you know he understands and everything but um so that's why I was never able to kind of specify how I was able to verify that Michael was was flown to this facility um now granted uh you know Michael could have taken the picture and then like hopped out of the helicopter and maybe he wasn't even on that

helicopter right or and like I don't have evidence of what he saw at the facility so it's like it's not that it proves everything or anything extraordinary it's just obviously pretty telling but that's you know unfortunately I can't share that photo even today because it would reveal the location it would reveal the location of where that helicopter went and and it's it's evident that Jake's not, you know, not revealing that as of yet. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brook Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand?

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Kind of like Joey is not my name. Can I like that? Yeah, yeah. You know, I would say my perspective on him up to that point was a person who was definitely definitely high up in one of our top defense conscience. I do know at least one of the defense contractors that he was affiliated with. I do know the location that he refers to as the range. And my impression is he's a person who is trying to figure out a way to support disclosure. And that has changed a number of different ways over the past two years. And ultimately has led to what we see now with his formation of Skywatcher and the intention to publicly or privately, publicly, meaning not in government, try to collect evidence of these things that he's claiming.

When it comes to those locations, why can't, and forgive me, maybe Jake has spoken about this. I know he was on Jesse Michaels recently and things like that. Why can't or why won't he release those? Or why have you been asked not to release the different, like where the range is, who the government contractor was that he was working for? We can all assume that it's one of the big names, like a Lockheed or Raytheon or Northrup or somebody like that. But why can't that be revealed?

That's a good question. That's really a good question. And honestly, I have not understood why I feel like there's two. conflicting behaviors over the past two years. On one side, there's this perspective that it's super secret, it can't be revealed, you know, don't let anyone know where this location is. But on the other hand, from my perspective, I saw Michael go on several podcasts and reveal all sorts of details about the location he was brought to. And, you know, that one detail isolated by itself is useless. But if you take two years worth of little details from different podcasts and you,

you know, cultivate that into a single piece of paper and start, you know, narrowing it down, you know, that's that's information that someone could potentially use to figure out where this, where this location is. So I never understood why on one hand it was kind of like secret, but on the other hand, Michael could go and Greer as well. Greer has said all sorts of stuff about this location. So at this point, I would say my perspective is that it's really not a big deal. if people figure it out. Like if people were to guess and talk about it, it's probably inconsequential.

But it's probably, I mean, especially now that Jake is public. I think kind of in the past it was more like he was still trying to keep his identity secret because he had, you know, people in the know would associate him specifically with that, location, I guess. And so that kind of made sense. But now that he's public, I think it just might be a simple, as simple as like, Dopster didn't want him to associate, you know, him acknowledging specifically from his mouth, acknowledging the location. And again, this, this location is, you can find it in in uphology like in if you dig around in like UFO lore like this facility is is referenced um you know sightings and and things like that so it's kind of like i kind of think of it as like you know

area 51 everyone's suspicious of area 51 there's you're like oh man you know there's got to be stuff going on there but it's like do we have disclosure no like it doesn't matter like even if people figured it out it's kind of like who cares it doesn't really doesn't really do anything for us, you know? Yeah. And so just to be clear at this location, this is where we're talking about the location, we're talking about where Jake took Mike and where they witnessed the psionic experiments, for lack of a better term, being conducted, right? Well, I don't, I don't think Michael had witnessed that experience, you know, any sort of demonstration or anything like that at the range. He had, he had kind of

seen, there was a point where he did see a demonstration, but I don't think it was there. But this location that Jake refers to as the range is where he alleges, you know, when he was working for that company, that organization, where they would essentially use psionic people to summon or invite NHI craft and he alleges that sometimes they were shot down with EMP weapons and then they would recover whatever came down

but that's you know the facility there where you know there's buildings and whatnot is where Michael was was taken. Are the same? sionic people, the psionic abilities that are being used or, again, for lack of a better term, harvested in some ways and some, you know, put out there. Is this more of a defense contractor operation, like black site type thing? Or is this authorized by the U.S. government? Like, Congress would know about it. The Senate would know about it. The president would know about it. Like,

is this, like the Pentagon would know about it? Or is this more of like this is just, I guess, guess to use a comparison, stranger things. This is something that's happening under, maybe not, you know, literally underground, but in a metaphorical sense, underground outside of the purview of government authorization. Yeah, I mean, I would have no idea, but I can tell you the allegations are, it seems to be more that it's a rogue organization that is distributed throughout all sorts of organizations. It's not just like one siloed company. It's kind of like a mesh network of people who work in a number of different private contractors or three-letter agency, stuff like that. But again, I have no idea the legitimacy of any of that. Sure. And it's interesting because we know for a fact

that the CIA and for that matter the FBI both looked in and really actually used, exercised remote viewing. I mean, Joe McMonigold talks about this a lot in his past. I mean, there's documents on this in the CIA

that they used people for remote viewing purposes. So it's not like the three-letter agencies anyway haven't delved into this type of these types of abilities before. It's been going on for quite a while. I suppose. Right. Yeah, I've heard that.

So, and that's essence then. Let me ask you this, Joey, is, has Mike partaking in any psionic experiments himself or demonstrations? Has he tried to use any or, you know, develop any psionic abilities? I don't know. You'd have to ask him. Okay. What about Jake Barber? I don't know. Okay. Fair enough. We know other people on the Skywatcher team have, but that was just something that popped in my head and it wasn't uh yeah i hadn't heard anything about it so all that said when it comes to the ladder here right because we there was a conversation that took place over the weekend that uh i ended up being tagged in on on social media on on twitter on x specifically and it kind of talked about you know what's the end game here what's the goal what does mike know

Mike was responding to some people and I was kind of just scrolling through the comments. I'm like, oh boy, where is this going? And I started thinking, I'm going to get to that in a second on what that topic was because it's a little heavy. But I want to ask first, where is the ladder here? Because Mike is talking during that conversation, during that thread that took place on X over the weekend, Mike is really talking on behalf of himself. He's talking on behalf of James.

and what Jake is trying to do. And it got me thinking, how high does this go? So, I mean, does this go to Greer and above? Or is Greer, like, at the top of the ladder here and everything's flowing down through him? Okay. So the Greer Association. Is there a Greer Association? I'm assuming.

Okay. So, and this is something I think people could kind of recognize publicly. So I'll explain it in a way where you could. kind of see this for yourself publicly. Leading up to Jake coming forward with Ross on News Nation, there was a period of about two months where Greer was going on all sorts of interviews saying he has black project insiders who are defecting, they're coming forward, they're going to issue a bunch of, they're going to drop a bunch of evidence.

it's going to be the biggest thing in uphology. And he was hyping that up for like two months leading up to Jake's appearance on News Nation. And what did we see happen? We saw, we didn't see a data dump like Greer was hyping. Instead, we saw this person, Jake Barber, coming forward through News Nation and revealing, you know, everything that he was hyping. He's revealed and his intentions and all of that. And so what that means, well, to be perfectly clear, Greer was talking about Jake Barber for those two months.

He was talking about Jake Barber and his team. So why did we not see the data dump that Greer was referring to and hyping up? like I said, Jake's strategy for his disclosure efforts have taken a number of different turns throughout the past two years. And I probably only know, I could only formulate 10% of it, honestly, because I've never spoken to Jake. I don't, you know, I don't have any sort of communication. This is just kind of my perspective based on my conversations with Michael and kind of seeing how, things have been, certain things have kind of come forward publicly. You know, there were, there, there's been a lot of things that have unfolded over the,

the past couple years. One of them that actually, you kind of kicked off, which, uh, didn't come to fruition, but what, we, we won't talk about that one. Um, there was, there was a, there was a book. He had, he had issued a book, um, to attend. to prod dopser. And so that was kind of a very sort of behind the scenes kind of way for him to passively, in a way, in a way, stir up information to kind of see what certain agencies knew about classified information.

That book was called Sentinels of Ether. So he publicly released a sample of that book, which I had posted to Reddit. Michael had given it to me. I posted it to Reddit. He also gave a copy to Greer and he published it. So that was kind of one form of Jake's efforts with disclosure. Then it turned into, you know, something else where potentially they were going to go seize, you know, certain things from different facilities. that sort of fell through.

And, you know, I think honestly, it was due to basically the UAP Disclosure Act being gutted. You know, I think that was a very big surprise that that fell through. And there was a sense of disappointment and that that didn't kind of get into the end zone. Yeah, I want to ask you about that actually because that was one that that was one that was revealed to me privately, actually, back in October of 23. And Mike, Mike had spoken about that with me. I don't think you ever talked about this before. And, well, because now that you bring it up, and it fell through, I'll talk about it. But he told me, he's like, yeah, we're going to, we're going to go in. And we're going to grab some stuff and we're going to show proof and we're going to take pictures.

And he showed me some plans that he had. And it was like, oh, my gosh, this is really happening. and then it didn't. So it sounds like it's one of these things and that kind of confused me. I'll be honest with you, Joey, that was something that really kind of turned me off from the Michael Herrera story, if you will. And I don't mean that in a bad way

or a negative way toward Mike himself. I would love to talk to him. We've kind of lost touch a little bit over the past year. I would still love to bring him back on or have a conversation off there or whatever it might be. But that was something that he was, he was so sure about it and when he told me about it

actually as we were recording an episode together and then he said you know what take that part out do me a favor delete that part because I can't put that out there yet I said no problem so I took it out of the show and then he talked about he talked to me about it more

behind the scenes and sent me some pictures of like here's like here's my gear like here's what I'm using here's what we're going to be doing and again this goes back October of 23 and I was like, wow, this is really something that's going to take place. They're really going to go into these facilities and show proof and show everybody, like catastrophic disclosure type thing.

And it didn't happen. So that was something that I kept to myself until this very moment in time right now, actually, as I'm talking about it. And it kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. So why didn't that happen? Was it just, was there an audible? Or was he just, was my consent? self misled or was just they had to call an audible because you a you AP disclosure act fell

through um yeah i mean i don't know i don't know how much of how much of this topic um you know what was intended to be to be talked about publicly but from my perspective i think whatever degree of that was was being planned um i think was dependent upon the imminent domain clause in the uap disclosure act And I think that was literally it. Once that, once that fell through, I think that was, um, that had to be, you know, put, put on the shelf. Um, now, you know, then, you know, so, so like the other, the other part of Jake's kind of strategy was, was his relationship with Michael, you know, because like Jake, like Jake for the longest time, never intended on coming forward publicly. So

He was using a pen name, right? I forget the name, but he was using a student name. Well, I wouldn't say it because I don't know if that's sensitive. Fair enough. If you do remember it remember it. But I don't. I remember seeing it somewhere. I don't remember what it is.

I'm sure someone listening right now is screaming at me like, how did you forget the name? It's this. I'm sorry, I forgot the name. But yeah, you know, so like he was going to, he was going to, and he did. He, he cultivated a relationship. with Michael. Michael was helping him communicate with people in government and also relaying information, you know, publicly about the program that Jake wanted Michael to relay publicly. Now, the thing, the thing that I had always expected was evidence to follow up shortly

after you know so like you know Jake tells Michael a bunch of information about this program and then I was expecting like oh cool like two weeks you know probably like within a month like he's got to be showing like photo or video or like documents or something like this has got to be coming right and so like I've been in this perpetual state of expecting that for like the past year and a half or whatever and and that never happened but you know going back to Greer, this was kind of where we kicked off this thread, was how Greer got involved or where he sits on this whole thing. So a lot of people have this assumption that, you know, because Michael had come forward through Greer and Jake had been introduced to Michael through Greer,

that Greer is like the guy at the top calling the shots or organizing this or whatever. And that is not the case from my perspective. Once Jake had direct communications with Michael, they very quickly had kind of their own direct kind of communications and collaboration. Greer was certainly kept in the loop on certain things. But if you just recognize that leading up to Jake coming forward with Ross, Greer very publicly described a completely different expectation of what he thought was about to happen. And so what does that tell you? That tells you that perhaps Jake hasn't been telling Greer everything about his intentions. And I wonder how did Greer even know that Jake was working with Ross so closely to, you know, because obviously the level of, of production or,

you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, he had a special on News Nation. There were follow-up interviews. There were other people on the team. Like that, that doesn't happen overnight. You know, it's not like Ross called Jacob in a week later. They had that whole thing put together. This is something that took a long time to, you know, develop relationships, you know, can, Vince the various people to agree to do this and come forward. So obviously that was something that had been in the works for a long time, yet you had Greer literally up to a week prior to that special coming forward, very publicly describing a completely different understanding of what was about to happen.

So I think that right there can tell you, can tell anybody listening to this, that Greer certainly wasn't, you know, orchestrating, Jake's intentions or, you know, movements or objectives or anything like that. And even if you listen to Jake talk about why he was even at the National Press Club event in 2023, he revealed that he was actually kind of undercover for the FBI to identify legitimate whistleblowers and get them arrested. I mean, he literally said that in the Jesse Michaels interview. So, you know, in a way, it was like Jake was, you know, using that relationship with Greer in order to kind of perform his own analysis of the landscape of the whistleblowers and who's legitimate, who's not.

And at that time, he was also contemplating his own intentions on switching sides and becoming a whistleblower himself. So I think, you know, hopefully that kind of gives people an idea of at least my perspective on, on Greer's, you know, level of involvement. Yeah, it does help because I think, man, this is flying by. I still have so many questions to ask you. So hopefully you can stick around a little bit longer. Yeah, for sure. But I think it, at least for me, my perception has been that Greer kind of, and this isn't, I'm not trying to, you know, talk out of school here, as we say, or, you know, talk behind somebody's back. It's just my obvious. observation is that Greer kind of presents himself as this puppet master. And I wonder sometimes

how much that is the actual case or is it really just a presentation. So I mean, I guess maybe the overall arching question here is, in your opinion, and you don't have to answer it because I think it's a sensitive question, so I don't want to put you in a bad spot. But in your opinion, in your experience, do you think we should trust Greer when it comes to the information he's putting out there? Well, it's, it's very hard to know what information is, um, fundamentally true. That's the problem. That's, that's, that's what's challenging with Greer, because I've been in situations where I've, I've learned about something that happened involving Greer. And then two weeks later, he goes on a podcast and he talks about it,

but me knowing and having an understanding and perspective on, on what unfolded, and then hearing him talk about it, you can, you see the contrast between the basic facts and then kind of the, you know, the flourishing and exaggeration and kind of mischaracterization and stuff. And it's, it's sad because, you know, I feel like a lot of times he undermines himself. And to the point where, you know, I mean, he's been doing this for so long, I would be, I wouldn't not be surprised to find out that perhaps he has been given some very legitimate information to, to, you know, publicly disseminate for the sole reason that they want that information associated with Greer because they know that he's such a controversial figure. And so it's,

it's tough. It's really tough. I think another, another thing with Greer is he, um, you know, he's been doing this for so long, and I think he has a very clear perspective on how he thinks this whole, this whole thing works. And so, you know, a lot of times he'll, he'll kind of attribute things very off the cuff and just kind of state it as fact without maybe doing the due diligence and treating that event or whatever as like its own thing that needs to be investigated. it independently. If it kind of fits his idea of how things work, he'll just kind of give that more credibility and just kind of state it as as fact. So it's a few different things with career. Yeah, it's interesting. What piece of information, if you can look at one thing, if you can pinpoint something? And so I would say, you know, Joey, how do you know all this stuff is true? I mean, these things you've been given the information and you can say, well, because this happened. What would that be where you can point to something and say, man, well, you know, this happened and that verified, you know, points A, B, and C from you. So I knew what I was being told was true.

Well, the, the only thing I know is true is that Jake brought Michael to that facility. That's, that's really the, the only thing I've ever attested to. And a lot of people, again, kind of fit, you know, with that binary concept of like, oh, well, if you, if you support Michael, about one thing that you must believe everything he says. And it's like, that's not logical. I don't have evidence of any of the extraordinary stuff that he said. The reason I find it very credible is, you know, I mean, at this point, I do find Jake very credible and his team. You know, I was a little thrown off by his initial kind of portrayal as being like, oh, I'm just a helicopter pilot. But I think he's probably in a very tricky situation with how much he can publicly acknowledge. You know, he's trying to do this through Dobser.

And I think you can kind of read between the lines on a lot of things that he says, as well as some of the things that his team says. But ultimately, what makes. matters is the evidence and they've yet to be able to produce convincing evidence that they're you know capturing something that's demonstrating any of the five observables and but I think we should all be very open and encouraging of of their intentions to capture that evidence and share it publicly. So, you know, that's the big thing is to just let them, let them do what they're saying they're going to try to do. And let's just be patient.

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A lot of people have said there's more whistleblowers waiting in the wings. What have you heard on your end in conversations with Mike Herrera or through the grapevine that Mike has heard from Jake about these other whistleblowers, other witnesses, whatever term you want to use, that are waiting to come forward? I don't know. I really have no idea. But I would expect that, you know, someone of Jake's caliber and his team coming forward, I think what we're going, I think what's trying to be achieved is a point where, you know,

let's say, you know, this black program and all this, this hidden evidence, let's say all that's real, okay? What I think we're trying to do, not we, but Jake, what Jake's trying to do is get to a point where it becomes inevitable for kind of the government or the black program evidence to make it okay for that to come forward. Because if Jake can prove to the world that, hey, these things are real, we've proved it privately, there's kind of like no reason for the cover-up to continue.

So it's almost, I almost, I personally kind of view it as this effort to make disclosure comfortable for the public. And to make it okay for like, you know, the kind of the government side of evidence to start coming forward and to kind of destigmatize it. So they're kind of taking that head on. They're pushing through that stigma and they're trying to produce evidence that that makes us all just just, you know, comfortable for more. Yeah. That's my perspective. That's fair. And I want to go back to something that I said maybe about 15 minutes ago or so because we've gone down a lot of roads here.

But I alluded to it because I wanted to remind myself that this was important in my view to bring up. there is concern about the situations and the techniques that are being used or employed for the psionic those with psionic abilities that would be used in demonstrations or again for lack of a better term experiments or just in general to be employed to perform the psionic communication with n hI or n hI craft and there's been concern that connects Mike's story of human trafficking to what is currently happening. And that was something that I mentioned this thread that was happening on X over the weekend that I kind of got tied into that Mike was responding to a lot of different people saying, you know, basically, I mean, there were people saying some pretty, like, you know, harsh stuff against them. trying to say that he's complicit in like a cover-up in all these different things. And Mike was explaining himself, I think, very well, actually,

and saying that this isn't what they're doing. This isn't what Jake Barber is involved in. This is actually quite the opposite. This is what Jake and I are trying to stop is any type of illegal operations or human trafficking. So can you speak to that at all in that to alleviate any misconceptions or what? that quite frankly I've had when I was trying to connect the dots because that's what we do and we don't have answers. We try to connect our own dots and you start to think of all these different scenarios. So trying to alleviate some of those concerns that say we're not looking at human trafficking when we're talking about what Skywatchers doing, what Jake and what Mike are doing.

That it's separate from what's happening there. So, well, first what I'll say is, you know, I don't think it's justified to express the, the sort of outrage about that sort of thing without first, even establishing whether Mike's story is true at all. you know like people kind of like skipped over the whole part of like you know first it was oh mike made up this whole story and then they went right to oh wait he's trying to cover up human trafficking without first acknowledging that they believe that there was a 300 foot UFO in the middle of the jungle uh loading people onto it right so um and i think that kind of caught me off guard and kind of why it's never been something I have personally um kind of put attention to or or you know rang the alarm bell on because like I'm still

back way you know two years ago with like okay was Michael a Marine was he in Indonesia like I'm still like that's where I'm at I still haven't gotten the proof of the 300 foot UFO so like the whole allegation of people were being transported um is not something I've even gotten to yet. So I just want to say that first to be like, you know, we need to kind of take this chronologically one step at a time. However, I can, I can, I can kind of repeat Jake's clarification on on the situation. I, again, I have no, I have no proof of which which way it is or whatever. But, you know, from, from what I understand, the, the idea that Mike stumbled upon a human trafficking operation, obviously immediately people

kind of associate human trafficking with like slavery, sex trade, that sort of thing. And, you know, when when Greer and Michael learned that there were people, so basically to back up a sec, Michael had witnessed containers being towed by trucks being pulled up onto this craft and in the jungle. And he had assumed there were drugs because he saw like an HVAC unit on the front of these containers. And when Michael came forward at the press club event, Jake was there. He heard Michael's testimony the day prior to the YouTube video that we see online. So there was a multi-day event. So Jake heard his testimony the first time.

And he sent Greer a text and said, hey, you know, just, just so you know, it wasn't drugs. It was people. And so you can imagine, you know, Michael and Greer take that and kind of interpret it how they want. And so, you know, from that, you know, the following day, Michael did his testimony again. That time it was recorded. That's what we see on YouTube. And you can tell there's like this connotation that it was human trafficking, how everyone typically defines it. And then even the Sean Ryan show that Michael did was prior to Michael meeting Jake in person when he flew out there.

So he kind of continues that same idea. And so once Michael had met with Jake in person, Jake explained that, you know, it wasn't, human trafficking in that sense it was it was a recruitment operation um to you know screen people for this psionic ability and you know they are they are um willingly you know they're asked if if they would want to you know leave their life behind and come into this program and they're brought into this this black program where they can perform these you know these these these uh these feats and experiments and stuff like that. Now, so on one hand, you have this explanation that like, oh, they go willingly.

They're taking care for. They have food, shelter, security, all that. But I think, you know, no matter how you look at it, that's still exploitation. I mean, you're showing up to someone with their house just fell down from an earthquake and you're saying, hey, totally voluntary. But if you come with me, I'll give you a place to live and shelter and take care of your kids. and you're, you know, you educate education for your kids and you can, you know, and we'll, you know, give you a good life. I mean, that's still exploitation, right? Right. And then,

you know, beyond that there's also, you know, Michael has also relayed that, you know, at least early on in the program, there were some of the psionic people had died through part of the experimentation process and kind of learning how to how to interface with all this stuff. So, yeah, I think, I think it's a little bit of both where there's certainly some bad stuff that has happened that needs to be investigated. I don't think that's trying to be covered up. I think we're just starting the conversation on the whole topic. And I do know, you know, there are some efforts behind the scenes to kind of address that sort of stuff. But again, I don't think, I don't think I don't think it's really surprising or unreasonable that some people misinterpreted it as, you know, slavery, sex trade type human trafficking.

And there might there might be that sort of stuff happening, you know, unrelated. But yeah, I think, I think that thread that you're talking about on X, it was like this connotation like, oh, they're trying to cover it up and just sweep it under the rug. I don't think that's what was happening. Yeah, and to Mike's point, did you see the thread? Oh, yeah, okay. I was tagged in it too. You were, okay.

I was trying to remember. Yeah, it was very interesting keeping up with that one over the weekend. And to his point, and since you saw it too, you could, again, I think he defended himself well in trying to clarify those different points and those concerns.

And funny enough, I got to tell you, it's ironic how the universe works sometimes in that I had reached out to you a week or two ago, privately just, you know, say, hey, would you like to come on? Let's talk about some of these things. And I had thought about bringing any of this up. This was not my intention when I first reached out to you. And then as the few days went on, I saw some different information coming out about Jake

Barber and the, I think it was after he was on Jesse Michaels, actually. And that's when they started to talk a little bit more about. the techniques that are used to gain psionic abilities or to use psionic abilities. And there were some in there that raised some red flags for me personally, talking about using traumatic experiences and different things like that. I mean, that's how you get adrenachrome, quite frankly, is, you know, heightening that fear and using trauma. And so when I read that, I'm like, oh, boy, that's kind of alarming.

And then I started to kind of put myself two and two together about what my had said on my show back in October of 23 about the trafficking aspect and he knows that people have died during these, you know, demonstrations or trainings to use psionic abilities. And I thought at that point, and I'll be completely honest here, Joey, I'm saying things that I haven't expressed before on UAP because it's been uncomfortable, quite frankly, and I wasn't really sure what to make of this stuff over the past year and a half. And after Jake came out and started talking about these things, it kind of sent a chill down my spine because it led me back to what Mike said on my show. And I thought, my gosh, if what he was saying was true, then people are dying.

Like, that's not good. And something has to be done about this. So before you came on the show and before that threat happened, I was actually going to go on X myself and raise the question. And I think it was on that Saturday. I'll go even further. And I hate to do this because I'm supposed to be interviewing you and now I'm taking up your time.

But quite frankly, I probably could have saved this for the outro, but I want to talk to you about it. It kept me up at night. That's always a cliche. Oh, this keeps you up at night. I couldn't fall asleep. this past Friday night because that thought popped into my head that something was happening here and that what Mike had said on my show a year and a half ago rang true and then I was like oh no

like I have to bring this up and I don't know how to do that and I was actually going to go on X that Saturday just a few days ago here as we speak on on February 1st I was going to go on and write a post saying, hey, we spoke about this. I was going to tag Mike. I was going to tag Jake. I was going to tag you and say, we spoke about this. You guys need the answer for this. Like, what is going on?

And before I did that, it actually ended up getting brought up in that thread. So it's funny how things kind of work out. And then Mike ended up answering the questions that I had in my head without me even having to ask them. So I don't know about you, but it made me feel a little bit better that he was able to articulate, you know, that's a misunderstanding. We know those things are going on and we're trying to stop them. Am I reading that right? Do you think? How did you read all that once we went through it all? Well, this is, I mean, this is just really why I feel like this is too important to just dismiss,

you know, like aside from the whole connotations of euphology and, you know, learning about consciousness and all this stuff, you know, there's certainly criminal allegations that, have been made and and for people to just dismiss Michael's whole story or Jake for that matter I think is irresponsible you know another thing that we haven't even brought up is you know there have been allegations that during these operations where they're shooting down craft there have been situations where civilian aircraft have have you know either stumbled upon restricted airspace accidentally or something and you know there's allegations that they shoot those those craft those airplanes down and and get rid of the evidence and you know for me i'm just

i'm just like a regular like i was a reddeter anonymous guy just casually interacting with the UFO subreddit i would dig into cases here and there that i just found interesting and then here i am finding myself wrapped up in uh investigating what could potentially be crimes and so i drew a line for me personally. I'm not like I don't work in law enforcement. I'm not I don't work in government. So like it was just uncomfortable for me to kind of look into those sorts of allegations myself. But what I what I did do is try to advocate for for other people to get involved with investigating this. And that is why that was really my only objective with trying to be so vocal about saying like, hey, guys, Michael's not lying about being flown to this facility. I just wanted

people to help kind of put attention and investigate it. And yeah, it's important because, yeah, there are alleged crimes that have happened as well. Yeah. And hopefully we get some answers and it, you know, if that's the work that Mike and Jake and Skywatcher team and other people behind the scenes we're trying to do and trying to stop those things. We can only hope that they're successful in doing that. And I mean, look, I hate to put you, like I said, I hate to put you on the spot in a bad position. I know you can't, you know, read Mike Rera's mind or Jake Barbara's mind. And like I said, I would love to talk to either one of them and have Mike back on the show again. And I'll ask him these same questions and even more. If he's, if he's willing

to do that, if you like to pass along the message, then by all means, if he's willing to come back on and answer some of these these tough questions that I think are justified in asking, quite frankly, and because these are legitimate concerns. So I'm glad we can at least get it out there initially and acknowledge that these questions are out there, acknowledge what Mike had to say over the weekend, which I think helped, at least in my mind, as far as, you know, what they're trying to do in their overall mission. But it's heavy stuff, man. And, you know, there's more than just an egg UFO and some cool stories about, you know,

psychically connecting to aliens. Like there's real deal stuff here involved. Right. And, you know, there's allegations that whistleblowers have been silenced as well. You know, so there are definitely allegations that need to be investigated. Absolutely. Before we're done here, and I'll get you out here, sorry to make it so heavy. But before we are done, actually, there's two more questions.

I'm just looking at my sheet here, and I probably touched on maybe four of them because we ran down some different roads that probably worked out for the best in, you know, in all. I want to ask you first, before we get to the end, who in government is involved? And I ask that in terms of Mike has said that he has briefed people within the Trump administration and that it is verified. I think you verified that actually, correct me, right? that he did speak with people who are currently in the Trump administration, high-ranking officials briefing them on this. Can we talk about that as far as who might be involved or, you know, how close are they to the president, these people that Mike are talking to?

Okay, so what I can say is, yes, I was aware that Michael was set up for a meeting to fly out and brief members of the Trump administration that happened several weeks ago. And I, Michael had sent me a selfie that he took with one of the, one of the individuals. I'll say that it's a very high-ranking Trump administration individual who probably every adult in America would immediately recognize. And it was at a facility, it was at a location that, an exclusive location that that's associated with Donald Trump. So obviously, I don't know what they talked about, you know, but he was definitely there.

You know, he said he was going to be there and he was there. So I have no reason to doubt that he has, you know, spoken about this topic with the Trump administration. And interestingly, you know, you can kind of read into it. Ross, before the special came out, he was on Donald Trump Jr.'s podcast. Right. So that kind of gives an indication to me as well that, yeah, they kind of are aware of the situation. Who is, what are they interested in the Trump administration?

Is Trump himself interested? I don't know if you know that answer. I'm just thinking out the top of my head. I don't know. I really don't know. But what are they interested in as far as what they would, why they would bring in, Michael? Is it the psionic portion of the story? Is it just his story in general?

How are they taking people? How are they talking to people to, you know, ask if they want to come into these programs? Or is it the NHA aspect, all the above? It could be that. It could be, you know, and this is just speculation. It could simply be a broader perspective on. corruption and I think we're seeing that play out in front of our eyes with with the actions that that the president is taking in his efforts to undermine and root up

what you know he refers to as the deep state what what everyone refers to as the deep state so it could it could be a fundamental interest of of the broader kind of rogue actions that are that are being taken under the guise of official government activity. Yeah. Before we're done, now this is the last question. I promise. Unless you say something that makes a spark in my head go off, but you never know. Where do you see this ending at this moment, Joey? How do you see this progressing? I guess twofold question. Have you been given a timeline as far as where do they want to go with this and when versus where do you see this going, how and when?

No, I don't have any, you know, knowledge of kind of the plan. I basically, like at this point, what everyone is seeing with Jake publicly doing the interviews and all that stuff, that's the extent of my knowledge as well so i don't want to you know make it seem like i know more than that um my interpretation of of what they're trying to do again i i think it's um you know i i don't necessarily agree with the kind of angle that they're approaching this um as far as like the production like i watched their skywatcher their first episode of skywatcher and you know it just i don't know it just kind of kind of felt weird. It just kind of felt weird. I'll be honest. It's a little reminiscent of how

how I'm not trying to knock anybody here. Again, this is just an observation. It's a little reminiscent of how Lou Elizondo came out. Remember, Lou Elizando came onto the scene. I don't know if you remember this off the top of your head, but he came on to the scene in a history channel show as part of like this disclosure show. And that's where Christopher Mellon came from. Tom DeLong was involved with it. And they would sit in like this roundtable and talk about disclosure and what the government knows. I had no idea who Lou Elizando was. I was really just starting to I wouldn't say

dive in. I was ready into the topic, but when Loelizando came out on the history channel, I was like, who is this guy? And I mean, this guy is like the real deal. And then he added Christopher Mellon in there and all these other guys on the show. I was like, this is pretty wild. So it's kind of reminiscent of that, in my opinion

anyway, on how Jake Barber is presenting this. It seems correct me from wrong, it seems calculated. It seems very calculated of going on wrong. Well, yeah. I mean, Specials talking to Jesse Michaels, all these different things. Yeah, I mean, the, you know, the, the, the interviews that, that Alex, Alex Cloakas, right? Yeah, he performed on, on that first episode, kind of felt, kind of felt rehearsed, in my opinion, you know, and he was asking the same questions, you know, what's your percentage of confidence?

You know, he's asked that to Carl Nell and Gary Nolan and, and it's just, I don't know, like it, it kind of felt weird to me. again, I'm coming from this perspective of like wishing or expecting evidence like a year and a half ago. So the evidence that we saw with the News Nation special, for instance, like the egg, you know, being carried under a helicopter. It's like that that doesn't, we don't even know that that thing can fly from that video. You know, like if you just take that video in and of itself, like we don't even know that thing can fly yet it's being alluded to that it's proved. of NHA craft, you know. So I would have rather have seen a much stronger, definitive piece of evidence brought out first from the start. Let that go viral for a few days, get everyone's attention, and then introduce the psionic angle and all of that. I think that would have probably been

received a lot better. I mean, it's hard for me to even have. conversations about this what's been unfolding with friends and family like for me personally like I feel weird about being like oh yeah check out this video like because it's it's it's very hard for you know your normal everyday person who's not tuned into this topic at all to listen to uh you know be introduced to like oh yeah the psionics we we you know summon craft n hI craft when We haven't even established that NHA craft are, like, real, you know. So I feel like we need to show that evidence first, establish that from a more nuts and bolts perspective. And then, but, you know, obviously, it's all water under the bridge at this point.

So I'm at a point where I, and again, I don't want, I don't want this to come off as if I'm doubting Jake, because I still find him extremely credible. And I don't, like, I don't think this is all a ruse or anything like that. But I just don't agree with the presentation on how this is unfolding. And, you know, not that it matters. I'm just, you know, I'm just a single person here. And I'm trying to just step back and watch this all unfold. I'm keeping an open mind.

I'm very much a nuts and bolts kind of person. I need to see it and touch it. And that's kind of how I am. I've never had an experience. I'm not an experience or anything like that. So that's kind of where I'm at. So I'm just letting, giving them time to let their story breathe and give them the opportunity to present the evidence that they are trying to collect and share with the world. Patience, right?

That's like, that's the theme for today's show is questions and patience. So I appreciate you having patience with me today, Joey. Sticking around so long for giving so much of your time here today for the show and for people to listen to. I thought it was a really interesting conversation, which is why I went so long. Really enjoyed that. So thanks for coming on today. Yeah, yeah, dude, definitely. Thank you for having me, Stephen.

Absolutely. We'll talk again soon. We'll keep in touch. Sounds good. All right. Well, thank you again to Joey for coming on. here and going through all that and answering all those questions and by the way i know we were going to bring it up but i never got to and why he goes by a fake name just really as simple as he wanted

to protect his identity obviously as you heard there it's a heavy discussion there's a lot of things that go into it um there's a lot of people out there who may not like some things that are being said and he felt more comfortable not using his real name when he decided to come out in the public and started to talk about these things so really just as a as simple as that. So in case you're wondering why, I keep calling him Joey, even though that's not his real name, that's why. Other than that, there's really not a lot to add here today when it comes to that interview. I think we covered a lot of ground. We brought up a lot of questions. I'll reiterate something that I said to Joey while we were talking, which was the push that I

feel, and not from anybody. I want to make that clear. No one's pushing me to do anything. It's the push that I feel within myself, in my own instincts, I guess, if you will, to talk again with Michael Herrera. So I want to put that out there publicly. That is my desire to do that. Hopefully he agrees to do it. And if so, then he'll be back here on the show at some point, but I'm going to try to make that happen.

I feel that, again, that push within myself, that it feels like that's something that would be beneficial to have a discussion. and get some of these questions and get some of these answers out there. And what is a pretty incredible situation that we see right now when it comes to Jake Barber and Michael Herrera and the claims that are being made. So I would like to do that interview, and I'll keep you updated on whether or not that interview is going to happen.

And also Jake Barber, for that matter, you know, I mentioned Michael Herrera because that's somebody that I have a history with. But sure, Jake Barber, if whoever is handling that, that account, if you will, then by all means, let's make that happen too, because, again, a lot of questions. So, aside from that, I do want to mention just one or two things here real quick before we're done. One of them is really just keeping an eye on something that I find intriguing. Anna Paulina Luna, we know her as part of the Disclosure Caucus, as I like to say. You know, we have like Jared Moskowitz in there, Nancy Mason Tim Burchett, some of these congresspeople who have

brought up the topic of UAPs, UFOs, publicly and asked these questions during the, you know, congressional hearings. Well, there's a lot of rumors going around and we'll see what ends up happening here, but as we speak today, okay, I need to date this,

because if you hear it after something goes down, you're going to say, either I sound silly or that already happened, one way or the other, it's going to sound dated. So as of today, on February 4th, I can tell you that's Anna Polina Luna to tweet it out, I will be joining at POTUS, of course, president of the United States,

tomorrow on February 5th for the signing of a very important executive order. Now, couple that with a tweet that she sent out on the third on Monday, saying that I have an announcement next week that will impact the entire nation. Press conference date will be announced soon. and then Jared Moskowitz, who I just mentioned, commented on the bottom saying, I know, period. So now there's a ton of speculation as to what is happening here. The only thing that I find weird is that in her original tweet, she said something that's going to happen next week. Then she writes today that it's happening tomorrow.

So maybe information changed. Like we said there with Joey, sometimes information changes. Situations change. Maybe that's the circumstance here. whatever she was talking about yesterday is the thing that's going to be happening tomorrow with this signing with President Trump for an executive order? I don't know. But it's just a lot of people are finding this very intriguing, including myself, when you have two members of the Disclosure Caucus with Annapolina Luna and Jared Moskowitz commenting on a big announcement. And now all of a sudden she's going to be there for an executive order signing.

We'll see if this has anything to do with the UFO discussion. It may not have anything to do with it at all. And like I said, if you're listening to this after the fact, I either sound silly or it's going to sound old. But one way or the other, I just wanted to put that out there right now as of today on February 4th. That's something that is going on. Other than that, some great stuff to look forward to still this week after you recover from this conversation. And I'm going to be talking with Jeff Nusatelli. If you don't know the name, he has an incredible story.

He's been spoken about on Joe Rogan. James Fox referenced his story on Joe Rogan. He's been on an interview with Ryan Graves. Ryan Graves has interviewed him about his story. It's just absolutely fascinating. And if you're not familiar with his story, then you will be because he will be speaking with me here on the show in just a few days. So stick around for Jeff Nusateli because, man, I can't wait to talk to him.

Just an awesome story. Really cool guy. We've been talking behind the scenes for the past. week or so now and really looking forward to getting into the public sphere with him and getting his story out there and asking the questions involved. Unbelievable stuff. Again, if you haven't heard his story, it was very widely documented and never debunked, never refuted, but kind of like a modern day, well, maybe not to that extent.

I was going to say Bob Salas, but a similar type of situation, except not with nukes. you'll see. It's coming up here next on UAP. So stick around for that in the next few days. Until then, be sure to continue to follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850. A lot going on there. If you want to follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850, especially on Twitter, on X there. A lot happening there on the old Twitter handle at UA Podcast 850. And if you want to reach out to me directly, it's S-Diener-U-A-P at gmail.com. that's S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at g-mail.com.

If you would like to do that, send a direct message. I will respond to you, maybe not right away, but I promise I will respond. And the same goes for any direct messages on social media as well. But thank you for sticking around today. I know this was a long one, and so I very much appreciate you sticking around to the end. And hopefully you enjoyed all this.

It was really quite something. I really enjoyed that discussion. And still so many questions I have in my head. Like I said, hopefully we can get answered at a late. date or date. So until next time, on that note, thank you all again for everything, because your support truly does mean the world to me. Truly, truly it does. So thank you. But until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here saying, be well. Thanks so much. We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.

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