UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 11: Pilot Sightings

Episode Date: September 10, 2021

For decades, pilots of all kinds have been reporting strange sightings in the sky. Some go unnoticed, while others leave an indelible mark for years to come. In this episode, Diener and Karen explore three such instances where the testimony and evidence are so overwhelming, they will leave you shaken. Including this story about a Japanese pilot whose sighting of a mothership was backed up by radar and even caused turbulence on his cargo jetliner...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and we are ready to go on another wild ride after our two-part series of the ancient aliens. Theories and stories and happenings is all done. We are now moving on back to modern times, Karen. How are you? I'm well. And you know what? We're so on top of everything. Yeah, we try.

Here at UAP. Our episode eight, we had sound from the former Arizona governor, Fife Simington. Yes, everybody, Fife. Remember, he broke away from his security and drove his own car to see the lights of her Phoenix? That's right. Yeah, we, on our, like you said, episode eight of mass sightings, and that was one of the more famous ones that we talked about. Indeed, it was, and we're so ahead of the curve. He is now going to be the keynote speaker today.

Whoa. At an annual conference that takes place. Apparently, it's going to be online. but it would be in Phoenix. Remember, he saw these lights over Phoenix when he was governor, but didn't talk about it until recently. Well, I saw a huge craft just kind of come right over a squaw peak that was, you know, it was just breathtaking.

Yeah, so we had that back in episode 8, what, a few weeks ago. Now here we are, and he's the keynote speaker at this conference taking place in Phoenix. So how do you like that? Yeah, they never determined what the lights were, but he saw them. And so if you want to check it out, our episodes, 8 podcast has all of that information and interview with him. You can catch any of the episodes if you missed any of the past 10, which, by the way, I should also mention, this is the beginning of season 2.

This is season 2 now of UAP. So we decided to kind of break it up into seasons. I thought that would be a little bit more fancy. I like it. And so since we ended last time with Ancient Aliens Part 2, it was episode 10, I thought, well, let's start fresh here. Season 2, episode 1 now, which is episode 11 overall of UAB. And we talked about the NASCAR lines and Gobeckle-Tepe and all the crazy stuff that has been built on the earth like 50,000 years ago by aliens.

By aliens or check all that out. Or berry gatherers, but I got you a present. Oh, you did? Yeah. And it's a reference to the NASCAR lines. That's all I'm going to say. All right. Well, I look forward to seeing that.

But you can, yeah, check it all out. 850 WFTL.com. You can search for the UAP blog. All the past episodes are there, or you can also, of course, search it anywhere you look for your podcast, Apple, Spotify. You can find every episode of UAP and take a listen, binge listen. I guess

if that's a thing. Absolutely. And I guess it kind of takes us into our next subject here. Yeah, and make sure you subscribe. Oh, yes, please. So one of the most interesting airline pilot sightings, Stephen. Yes, because that's what this is all about here today

because we talked about the flights over Phoenix and the mass sightings. today that kind of leads into what which is sightings from pilots and this has actually happened more than you might have realized I mean there's a lot of sightings we're only to talk about three today but there's so many more that I had to cut out when we were looking at some of the research here for today's episode but these three really kind of highlights some of the more fascinating pilot sighting stories ever recorded honestly so two of them are backed up by radar right is kind of interesting. And the third one, there was photographic evidence, and multiple people saw it. But

this one happened actually over Alaska. It was a Japanese cargo plane piloted by a guy. He had 10,000 flight hours. He'd been flying for 29 years. He was stationed in Alaska and Anchorage. So he was flying the leg from Paris to Tokyo, and he had a cargo load of Baudelaire wine. Oh, good. And no, he had not been drinking it. Hey, I'm glad you said that. He says that's the first thing someone's going to, oh, well, he was drunk then. He must have been drinking the wine. No.

Yeah, the guy carrying all the wine saw you have all right. No. So this guy on flight 1628, the Japanese airlines, he saw a mothership four times bigger than an aircraft carrier and it caused turbulence to his plane. He did. Now, try to imagine that. Imagine the size of an aircraft carrier, okay? these giant ships that float through the oceans of the world with all the aircraft.

They're big enough to hold multiple fighter jets, okay? And we're talking about four times bigger. Now, if you've ever been to any type of, you know, shipyard or, you know, like a Navy day or something. It's big. They're huge these things. They're buildings. Fife Symington said that the lights over Phoenix, the thing he saw was so big a plane could land on it. That's right.

So now you're talking about something similar to size. and what they saw in Phoenix. And but now you're talking about something that is being described by a pilot, a seasoned pilot, as four times bigger than an aircraft carrier. Could you imagine seeing something like that while you're flying? And then, I mean, it's causing turbulence to your aircraft? No. In fact, it wasn't just him.

It was the two other crew members saw it too. So there were three people. Right. And he's a veteran Japanese pilot. And he said that this mysterious object was so enormous. It dwarfed his cargo plane full of wine. That's right. Yeah.

And cargo planes are big. Yeah. I mean, those are really big aircraft. I mean, he's an ex-fighter pilot. He's obviously not a kamikaze pilot. No, gosh, no. Gosh. And in the cockpit's left hand seat, his co-pilot,

Takanori Tamafuchi. Oh, good. You nailed it. Thank you. And in the right seat, the flight engineer, Yoshiro, Tuscuba. That's goba. Yes. Okay.

So, anyway, they had tons of flight hours between them, and he drew a picture of the object. And he said it looked like a giant walnut-shaped object. Yeah. Walnuts go really good with Red Boy. They do, actually. But this is something that if you've never seen the picture, because I've seen the picture, of course. But we'll have it up on our UAP blog 850WFTL.com. So you can listen, and you can go back and say, oh, okay, so this is what the picture looked like.

So that'll be accompanying the podcast, if you will, when you listen to this. So it was a walnut shape with big bulges above and below a wide flattened brim. Yeah. And you're talking about, again, something enormous where, again, these are three different pilots, co-pilots, whatever you want to call them, who are seeing the same thing. They can't all be wrong, right? I mean, this is something, this isn't some, you know, cow farmer in Kansas or whatever who's standing out and his...

in his field looking up in the sky and saying, wow, look at that, wonder what that could be. I wonder what that is. Yes, these are seasoned pilots who are describing something otherworldly, and they're having trouble describing how could this thing even be flying and who does it belong to? Well, and it's screwing up their aircraft. I know many pilots who've seen things,

but they don't want to say anything, you know, because they get ridiculed. But this thing was causing turbulence. They said that there were two other crafts as well. were escorting the big one, and they had arrays of what appeared to be glowing nozzles or thrusters. Their bodies remained obscured by darkness. And then when they got close, the aircraft's cabin lit up, and the captain could feel the heat from them on his face. Then these two departed before the third, much larger disc started trailing them. And that's when it started causing all kinds of

turbulence. And their radios were breaking up. And in order to change altitude. or make any moves, they needed to get in contact with the tower. Right. And they couldn't because they were breaking up. Which is a common theme you're going to hear, actually, in some of these other stories. The instruments just go crazy. And you hear that with every other pilot encounter as well. They talk about how sometimes the instruments shut off.

They go haywire. They can't use things. Things just break down. And, I mean, whether that has to do. It gets jammed or something. Right. So is that have to do with the, you know, maybe supposed it electromagnetism of the UFO or some type of weapon system that's being used?

I mean, we don't know. But the fact of the matter is they're not the first pilots to, as you're going to hear, to report that type of phenomenon when it comes to encountering these things in midair. And it's funny you also say, Karen, that a lot of these pilots like Five Symington, who was the governor, right? He was the governor of

Arizona. And he was also a former fighter pilot before becoming governor of Arizona when the Phoenix Lights happened in 1997. These are no slubs. And these are people who, like you said, for fear of of being ridiculed or saying, you know, hey, you're crazy, you can't fly anymore. They just don't report it.

Now, in this case, the pilot of the Japanese cargo plane did report it against his superior's wishes. They said, you better not tell anybody about this. Well, he told the newspaper, and I guess in pilot terms, they said, you'll be flying a desk for the rest of your career. And he did. Flying a desk. They did. They took him out of the sky. A guy who had over 10,000 hours of flight.

Poor Captain Kanjou Tarucci. I mean, it's unbelievable. This is what they did to these people. And now, you know, people will talk about it more freely because of the disclosure from Congress and the UFO report and everything. That's right, which verifies there are UFOs, okay? The government says so. And that's why we started doing this podcast. But the cargo plane was actually on autopilot when he started, you know, seeing these things.

So they were flying parallel and suddenly approached very close. and he requested and received FAA permission to take whatever action was necessary to avoid the object, which was a big-ass thing. And the FAA confirmed on Tuesday the government radar picked up the object that Tarucci said followed his Boeing 747 cargo jet. It followed him. He did a circle maneuver, complete circle. It went away for a couple seconds. And then it was back again behind him, causing all kinds of turbulence.

Yeah, there's been other reports, too. And I think it happened in this case, but definitely in other pilot siding cases where you have these things come up on radar. And sometimes they're so big that the air traffic controllers have actually thought, well, that's got to be a flock of birds or that's got to be a cluster of ships. But it ends up being just one. We'll take up the whole screen. Right. It ends up being one massive thing on the radar. And they can't understand why or how that's even happening.

But it happened. Well, United Flight 69 was near. and they said, you want to go take a look? And the pilot said, now this is a passenger plane. The pilot of that plane says, fine, I'll go look at it. But he stayed like 20 kilometers behind because he's got passengers on board just for safety purposes. He didn't see anything. And so a group of UFO skeptics say the crew on the Japanese cargo ship saw Jupiter and Mars.

Oh, yes. Or it was crystals in the sky. But the weather was clear that night. Right. It's always swamp gas or light reflecting off of Venus. I was nowhere near there. Yes, that's right. It's so silly.

I mean, these explanations that they come up with. How do you even believe that? Honestly, if you're a skeptic listening to this show right now and you're thinking, well, it's got to be this or that, do you honestly believe? And you can believe whatever you want, but how do you... What's it going to take? Right.

I mean, and how do you convince yourself seriously that, oh, well, it was just the light from Jupiter and Venus reflecting, and that's what they saw. How can you honestly believe that to be... A good explanation. Venus is the number one UFO citing, illegitimate one. It's a planet. But that's the number one thing that's spotted in the sky and mistakenly thought to be a UFO.

And that's totally fine. Look, I'll be the first person to concede that there's a lot of stupid people out there. But at the same time. Venus doesn't move suddenly straight up in the air and disappear. Exactly. Those are people who are seeing a bright light in the sky and they don't know what the planets are. So when you have people who are trained pilots or fighter pilots, people who who are, people who essentially it's their second nature to be in the air.

They understand how aeronautics work. And it's not the first time they've seen, you know, Jupiter and Mars while they're flying. I think they understand the difference between what Jupiter and Mars looks like versus a ship that's four times bigger than an aircraft carrier that they drew a picture of to describe. That looks like a walnut. I don't think planets are shaped like walnuts. Get real.

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They formally released their results at a press conference in 1987, and they suggested that their controllers confirmed that there wasn't a UFO. They said it was a split radar image, which appeared with unfortunate things. timing. Oh, I see. And he said the F.A. did not have enough material to confirm that something was there. And though they were accepting the descriptions by the crew, they were unable to support what they saw. But then the sighting received so much special attention from the media. And as a supposed instance of a tracking of a UFO on both ground and airborne radar, it was being observed by experienced airline pilots with significant confirmation from an FAA division chief, it then kind of became, yeah, it's a real.

Yeah, a little bit more, you know, weight behind it, so to speak. It wasn't like skeptics were saying two planets in the sky. It's a little hard to deny it when you've got, you know, ground and airborne radar, airline pilots, three of them, and then also an FAA division chief all saying, yeah, there was something there. Right. So that's the bottom line. And that was really, again, you know, we wanted to start with that one because it's such a fascinating case.

It kind of had it all. You had multiple witnesses. You had radar proof as well. And then you have the FAA coming on eventually and, you know, acknowledging that this did happen and they don't know what it was. And you also have the instance of a pilot who decided to speak up and paid the ultimate price for it. I mean, they— He's flying a desk. Yeah, exactly.

They made him fly the desk. It took away what he loved to do because he was willing to speak up and say what he saw. At least they didn't make him a kamikaze pilot. Oh, gosh. Okay. So now we've got the Iranian fighter pilots encounter UFOs three times over a span of multiple years. Right. So this is pretty crazy.

So we go to the other side of the world now. Okay. And the first encounter, I believe, correct me from Ron Karen, is 1976. Correct. Over the Desert of Tehran. Yes. And now keep in mind, you might think to yourself, yes, it's modern-day terms. So how was Iran, you know, how do they have this Air Force and everything?

Now, they're flying our planes. Yes, there was a certain time where we actually did work with Iran before the revolution and all those different things. I mean, they had our F4 Tomcats, I believe is what it is. And now they've got even more stuff. Yeah, well, that's a whole different story for a different podcast. But that's so those are the airplanes or the fighter jets that they were using at that time. And they still used them now because they couldn't get any new stuff from us for, you know, world diplomatic and politics. political reasons.

But this is something that goes back to 1976 where an Iranian pilot ends up seeing something in the sky, chases after the lights, and, I mean, really chaos ensues from there. Yeah. So the fighter pilots, there's several of them seeing an object with multicolored lights. And the planes, weapons, and instruments go down. Right. See, there you go again. It was just after midnight, September 19th, 1976.

Again, he's over the desert, right? Right. And residents started calling the airport. They're seeing the lights, too, on the ground. in the sky as and it looked like there was it was like someone was looking for something yes right so it's it was kind of you know maneuvering very oddly with the way that the lights were moving as well and he said it looked like shooting stars being controlled by some unknown entity and that's really it fits the description of a lot of the sidings that we hear about of UFOs uap's of this instantaneous

movement where it goes from point A to point B and almost a blink of an eye right and it moves in ways that are physically impossible for us to engineer. No sound, no contrail. Right. So they scrambled the F4 fighter planes, and when they approached the UFO, everything went down. Their dials, instruments, weapons, all jammed. And then a second F4 Phantom was deployed at about 140,

and the UFO reflected off its radar field. So it was just like it was blocking it. The radar apparently had multi-color lights, and it was causing this deflection. And the craft stopped. and then defied physics. It was going Mach 10, which is 7,600 miles an hour. We have no planes that can do that.

Our rocket ships can. We had one ship that went like 6.8,000 miles an hour from NASA. But this thing stops on a dime and defies physics by just sitting in the air. Right. And this kind of adds when you look back to the USS Nimitz encounter from 2014, I believe that was, where that's that's the video that's the video that started at all that kind of opened up

this congressional hearing that got people talking about in the mainstream news where these Navy pilots were saying yeah we were chasing these things kind of like the Iranian pilot they were in the same situation and I mean you see in the video if you've never seen the video maybe we'll put that on the UAP blog as well for episode

11 where it's a famous video now where the UFO is stopping on a dime it's turning into its side is going super fast across the water almost to the point where, you know, our Navy couldn't keep up with it in the fighter jets. Yeah, it's what, five times a speed of sound or something? Right. But then it drops a ball of light, a bright object, out of its main hall.

And it looked like a torpedo made of light. Yes. And apparently the fighter jet got target lock and then it jammed. Right. So he was going out. I mean, it was essentially a dog fight. Right. It was an Iranian pilot with a dog fight with a UFO over Tehran.

And as he was about, like you said, Karen, about to fire his weapon, really, the instruments get jammed. So what kind of capability are we dealing with here? Well, they can just jam our weapons, jam our systems, and we can't do a darn thing about it. And they also fired like a laser missile. Right. So that one thing went to the ground, the other one missile was aimed at the fighter jets, and their missile lock jammed. And then that missile went back to the ship, but they dropped that bright ball. went on the ground when it finished,

it went back to the mothership, and there was no trace whatsoever of this UFO or whatever it shot to the ground. It was never found or never reported. And if you remember, going back to one of our previous episodes, I want to say maybe this was episode five, possibly. I forget, if I'm wrong, please forgive me, with the Dulce base wars.

Yes. It reminds me of the description of the alien weapon that Phil Schneider. That blew his fingers off. That's right. He talked about that ray of light, that came out of their weapon and kind of like opened them up and took his fingers off his hand and all these different crazy things burned his toes and all this so it kind of oddly enough

matches the description of how these weapons look it's a lightsaber yeah maybe so so the second encounter was in 2004 right strange aircraft spotted over iran they scrambled their f4 tomcats that we gave them they were actually they used the f4 tomcats to protect their nuclear sites. Right. And the UFO was picked up on radar this time. Pilots climbed into their F4 Tomcat scrambled to fight a possible attack on their nuclear facilities. Right. So now at this point, you have the Iranian forces panicking because they're thinking, holy cow, I mean, who's attacking our nuclear facility? You know, maybe they're thinking it's the U.S. Maybe they're thinking it's Russia. They did. China. Who knows? So they're thinking, well, somebody is flying. There's

something. There's something flying over our nuclear facility. That we know because we can see it on a radar. We need to get somebody out there right now. So this is one of those like indisputable cases. Yeah. Well, they've got radar and 16 jets were scrambled. Right. So it's not like they saw something. They didn't see, you know, Jupiter and Mars on their radar flying over their nuclear facility. This is a little different because it had a green aura. Right. And apparently one of the F-4s tried to get lock on the object. but it jammed again. And then it also created turbulence like a thunderstorm. And then a spherical object then shot off leaving a green tail of light.

Right. Which is unusual. You actually don't hear about some type of trail like that. You know, you normally hear about, you know, you don't see any trail. You don't hear any sound. Right. That's weird, right? Right.

So that's, to me, and maybe someone else has heard this before. But that's actually for me of all the stories I've come across over the years. that's the first time I've heard of a visible trail of anything when it comes to a UFO. Maybe it's the Aurora Borealis. Maybe. Oh, boy. So then, Stephen, in 2012, a blip appeared out of nowhere on the radar over Iran, and the military scrambled more fighter jets, and one of them exploded in the air.

Yeah. So it turned deadly. This is the one where, you know, again, this isn't very... say you was shot out of the sky by the UFO that then reached Mach 10 and took off. Right. So it got to the point where a span of, you know, 1976 to 2012, where you're talking about these encounters with UFOs in the Iranian Guard, Air Force, what everyone call them, and eventually it ends up turning deadly.

Like you said, in 2012, one of them is inexplicably shot out of the sky. Is it from the UFO? Was there a malfunction? We don't really know. But what we do know is there's witnesses at this day. happened and then this, you know, unidentified flying object, this, you know, unidentified aerial phenomenon, the UAP, like we call it, took off after that. And, you know, the kind of the signature move of any UFO that people report, which is,

goes from slow to super fast in the blink of an eye. And that's, that's what it did. Yeah, they thought that it was shot by a laser. Both of the crewmen were killed on the plane immediately, instantly. And again, armament systems would not lock onto the UFO. They tried rebooting. nothing worked. The UFO then reached Mach 10.

Jets can only go Mach 2, which is 1,000 miles an hour. Mach 10 is like 7,600 miles an hour. And it's 10 times the speed of sound. Gosh. We did have a NASA experimental aircraft that went 9.68 miles per hour, 1,000 miles per hour. And then there's light speed, of course. So again, ridiculous speed. The question is, and this is the question that we always ask when we talk about these stories,

if it's not United States, if it's not China, if it's not Russia. They thought it was military spy planes from the U.S. or drones. Right. But we don't have anything like that. But these go Mach 10 and then all of a sudden they go to zero airspeed and then accelerate to Mach 10 immediately. It's like, hello. It's impossible. So if it's not us, then who is it?

And three separate occasions. Right. Jams, everything, same type of thing. And that's what I always found fascinating about this. congressional report that came out, and this is something that we said it back in the first episode, Karen, which is that only went back to 2004. They don't talk about that stuff from 1976 or from the 1980s with Rendlesham Forest or anything like that. Or even the Japanese airliner that we just talked about, the cargo plane.

You're talking about stuff that was not covered in these congressional briefings that came out declassifying a lot of these UFO records. So you can attribute anything. you want any type of modern day site and if you want contribute this one because it was 2012 and say well this was obviously some type of secret technology we had fine go ahead and say that as 2012 who knows what we have but you can't

tell me that we had that same exact technology in 1976 yeah like keep it in the under earth thing that we talked about right with the Dulce base that's right so that's where they come from shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all

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Right. In 2006, November 7th. Yes, story number three. This is really something. Five years after 9-11, Stephen, so you're thinking, okay, well, the government's going to want to investigate this strange thing in the sky was seen over Chicago O'Hare International Airport, one of the biggest in the country, one of the busiest, and this is the reaction. There was a disc flying outside above Charlie 17, and he thought it was pretty much high, but I'm not high and I'm not drinking. Someone actually has a picture of it, so if you guys see it out there, a disc, like a Frisbee? Like a UFO type thing.

Like a Frisbee? And, I mean, it's so condescending the way some of these guys. controllers were talking. There's a photo of it and a group of people saw it. And you have some of these other controllers like, oh, are you drinking? And some of these pilots, oh, you know, you're so crazy. What are you talking about? And this is the kind of stigma that we need to, quite

honestly, I don't mean to get preachy, but it's a kind of stigma that we need to get away from. Yeah. If you keep talking about, oh, it's little green men, ha, ha, ha, then we're never going to get to the bottom of what's really happening here and has been happening for quite frankly centuries. Oh, yeah. I mean, a long time, the government investigation only goes back to

We're looking at stuff, you know, way before that as well, as you can tell. But this was November 7, 2006, and it was spotted over Gate C-17, United Airlines Gate C-17 at O'Hare Airport. It was seen by airline pilots, supervisors, and mechanics, a disc-shaped UFO hovering over the gate, and they were joking about it. You're talking a flying disc out by C-17. You guys are telling us the C-17, they saw some flying disc above, and we can't see it. So there you go. I mean, basically belittles her. You know, she's just doing her job saying,

listen, this is what they're seeing. She's laughing kind of like nervously. Right. I mean, that's the kind of laugh. But it's, okay, this is awkward. There's a photo. And it's up at our blog, by the way, on 850WFTL.com, a UAP podcast blog.

But even the media were joking about it. There's this story you may have already heard about. The United Airlines employees who swear it was something otherworldly in the skies above Chicago's O'Hare Airport on November 7. Several airport workers, some of whom have talked to the Chicago Tribune, who said they saw a saucer-shaped UFO. They saw one, a UFO.

They say it hovered over a terminal without lies before shooting straight up right through the clouds last fall. Yeah, so again, this is the way things were covered. And, you know, now it's a little bit more serious. Even recently, if you watch things like, you know, Good Morning America or the Today Show. Tucker Carlson is all in on it. Yeah, that's true, too.

I mean, and so the mainstream media has been covering these things more seriously now, and whether that's just a shift in focus, whether that's just because, okay, maybe we should pay attention to it. It's not because the government came out and said there are UFOs, but we don't know what they are, if they're alien or they're just unidentified. And that's the main thing, too, you know, and you talk about a siding over O'Hare Airport around Thanksgiving time. Yeah. I mean, it's one of the busiest airports in the world as it is. And now you're talking about one of the busiest travel times of the year.

and a lot of people saw this and they have radar proof. Yeah, well, they were telling other planes to look out for it. Somebody reported a UFO or a flying disc above Charlie Concourse, seriously. Excellent. So nobody can see it, the use caution. All right. That's pretty much it. He sounds like Mr. Pink and Reservoir Dogs.

Yeah, wait, 5668. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, look out of your window. Do you see anything above United Concourse? They actually, believe it or not, they called us and said there's a, somebody has to of a flying disk about 1,000 feet above the state Charlie 17. Do you see anything over there? Not that I can tell.

Okay. Yeah, I thought my job was stressful. So at the time the FAA claimed the witnesses might have been confused by a weather phenomenon for the flying saucer. Swamp gas. But we have rarely heard audio from the FAA airport radio communications from that day that might shed some light on this. and it comes from the mechanics who saw it. There was a group of them, and they took a picture. Oh, we saw it a half hour ago.

Who saw it? Who saw it? Who did? Who did? So they saw something, and I mean, if they're saying maybe it was a balloon, it's probably them just trying to dismiss it and make sense of it. So they don't get fired. The U.S. military did investigate, and the FAA issued a statement, basically saying nothing to see here, nothing unusual was detected on radar.

No strange objects in the sky. but the mechanics saw it and took a photo, so take a look at it at the website. We saw it a half hour ago. Who saw it? All bunch of us over at the Charlie kind of closed. So there you go. I mean, they're saying they saw it,

and we'll have, like Karen said, we'll have the photo up, 850WFTL.com. It's kind of blurry. That's all right. It's on the UIP blog, along with everything else that we spoke about today, so you can see exactly what we've been talking about. And what's interesting about that Chicago O'Hare story as well,

and this was something that kind of went under, no pun intended, went under the radar. You didn't. I did. A lot of the records. It was a blip. Yes. A lot of the records from that day were actually taken.

You know, because you had different air traffic controllers who came out and spoke at some of these conferences that we're talking about is taking place in Phoenix. Some of these conferences, the air traffic controller who came out and said, yeah, you know, we saw it. We saw it on the radar. And we had the records. And some people came. and took it away. In black suits? Yeah, exactly, which also happened on the Nimitz,

which is now a known fact. In 2014, when that happens, where they saw the UFO, the Navy did, and off of the coast of San Diego there. There's now UAPs, right? Right, UAPs, which is why we call the podcast UAP. But it doesn't mean unidentified aerial phenomenon. It means unidentified alien podcast.

That is the difference. Just so you knew. And next week, we're going to do. talk about. Yeah, this is crazy. But also, just to wrap up with Chicago, too, in some of these pilot sightings,

that's why we wanted to start off season two with these stories. Because I think anyway, that when you can get a credible witness to talk about these things, it kind of opens people's eyes. Skeptics, you might say, oh, well, that's just some dairy

farmer out in the middle of Kansas or whatever, not paying attention. No, these are people and not to put down dairy farmers in Kansas as an example that's how people think about you know people who see UFOs oh just some farmer or whatever the cattle mutilization yeah we're talking

about people who this was their life this is their they're in the air more than they're on the ground and they're the ones who are saying yeah we saw something that we can't explain so just think about that let them let them say their peace because there's something to be figured out here we don't know

what it is, which is why we do this show. And we'll do it again next week because, Karen, I have something very special for you. This is so cool. So this is not, I will be the first to say a disclaimer here, okay, for episode 12 next time. It gets a little conspiratorial. Oh, please. I know. It all's conspiratorial.

At least, you know, with some of the previous episodes we've done, we have, you know, audio, we have real instances, we have reports, we have reports, we have radar proof, whatever it might be, that we can point to to say, look, this really happened. You figure out what it is because one way or another, something happened here. Well, the Dulce-Gabana Air Force bases doesn't have much. Well, it has Philip Schneider. And now he's dead, but that makes, I don't hear nor there. But yeah, that's probably the most conspiratorial episode we've done so far was the Dulce base. Until next time, which is Stargates and Iraq and other parts of the.

the world because apparently, Karen, there has been some chatter that we saw some things inadvertently on a satellite. Oh. And we ended up investigating some of these things and then some fights ensued. Maybe having to do with the Iraq war, we don't know. So it was in Iraq. Yes. The cradle of civilization.

By the way, they're replacing the Hubble telescope with the web. It's going up soon from Florida. So maybe we'll see some life on other planets. But, yeah, it's interesting because. Because in Iraq, there's the movie that came out, Deliver Us from Evil, and some American soldiers in Iraq went into a cave, and they saw this writing on the wall, whatever, and one of them became possessed, and then came back to the United States

and was possessed with the spirit. Yeah, it's pretty wild movies. There's all kinds of stuff going on in Iraq. That's where Adam and Eve are buried. That's right. We know exactly what their graves are, too. You know how they know it's Adam and Eve? How?

No belly buttons. Oh, wow. Look at that. Or maybe, no, I wouldn't say it. But I know, I know, look, there's been different movies and shows about Stargate. There was an actual movie show called Stargate. So I get it. This isn't new.

But what we're going to do is present to you some things that you may have not heard before the background of all these things of how it came about. And I actually have secondhand account of some stories about the Stargates in the Middle East. What is a Stargate? So essentially, it's basically like a portal, really. Like a wormhole? Kind of. Yeah, you go from point A to point B. Okay. So there's a lot to get into with that and we'll save it all for next year.

Do you need a vaccine passport or are you good? We're not sure. Okay. All right. So until next time on UAP, make sure you download and subscribe all the previous episodes. If you've missed any, you can search them on Apple. Give us five extraterrestrial stars. Yes, please.

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