UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 110 Jeff Nuccetelli part 1 - Unexplained Air Force Sightings

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

If you think you have heard it all, wait until you hear what Air Force veteran, Jeff Nuccetelli had to say about his own UFO encounters on Vandenburg Air Force Base. Listen as Jeff almost leaves Stephen Diener speechless as he describes what he saw on the base flying over his home. These stories have government and military officials scratching their heads as they are still under active investigation...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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one of my most favorite interviews I've ever done. I'm just going to say that up front right now in the first 30 seconds of this episode that this is one of the most favorite interviews I've ever done personally where I got to speak with Jeff Nusateli. Jeff is an Air Force veteran and UFO experiencer and just a fantastic interview where he's just so relatable and is able to give such great incredible details is very upfront and so knowledgeable that I just really enjoyed connecting with him in the hour and a half by the way that he and I spoke. You know that I don't normally go that long. There's been a couple of times where I've gone close to an hour and a half, whether it was

with Ashton Forbes, Michael Herrera, Anthony Williams. I've definitely gone over an hour with him a few times. But with this interview with Jeff Nusateli, I honestly could have done three or four hours with him. So I can tell you right now, spoiler alert, he will be coming back on the show in the future. And as you hear both parts, part one today and part two on Tuesday, you'll understand why that I'm excited to have him back on at some point in the future.

So really, really great discussion here with Jeff Nusitelli. So excited to bring you part one here today of this conversation with Jeff Nusateli. So what are we going to hear in part one? We're going to start off with the Cube Sightings, the very famous Cube Sightings. If you haven't heard about these, Jeff is actually someone who was there at the Vanderberg Air Force Base in California in 2003 when it was reported to him. And you'll hear him tell the story. I'm not going to go into too much, but you'll hear him tell about how he was reported, told about this cube UFO. It actually showed up twice in this one day in 2003.

So you're going to hear about that, this glowing cube. And then his own personal experience that took place two years later. And there were a couple of points when he was telling that story that you're going to hear where I got chills on his own personal experience. So we really dive deep into his. UFO experiences both what he was told and what he experienced himself just about 20 years ago. And we're also going to talk about how everything is reported as far as his experiences with Arrow and what he says, how Arrow reacted when he was telling them these stories. And really interesting, too, he talks about he went from being a skeptic to a believer,

which I always find intriguing because you could always have somebody who starts off as a believer and they will, you know, go to their grave just fighting and fighting and fighting. But I always find it interesting when you have someone who is a, you know, a convert, so to speak, if you want to put it that way, where they start off for a long time thinking that a lot of the stuff is just absolutely, you know, ridiculous. And then something happens to them. And they realize that maybe they don't know as much as they thought they did when it comes to all this.

There is more out there. and Jeff had those kinds of experiences. So really, really cool to hear how he developed and evolved in his own awakening towards this subject. So we're getting to that. So really just focus on his experiences, his background, what's happening behind the scenes in his own world as he continues to search for the answers and talk to people behind the scenes. And like I said, too, what Arrow had to say to him, which I found really, really interesting. I didn't know this, actually, what he talks about with Arrow after he spoke to him about these occurrences. So we go over all these different things, all the options, what it could be, making connections to the past.

A lot of great stuff in this part one of my interview with Jeff Newsatelli. Stick around for after, because I'll come back and tell you what to expect in part two. And tell you how something that a congressman just said yesterday really relates to what Jeff and I are going to talk about in part two. amazing how the dots ended up connecting and we didn't even mean it to happen just how the universe works sometimes so here right now part one my interview with Jeff Newsatelli right here

on UAP the Unidentified Alien podcast enjoy all right really cool interview here looking forward to this excited to have him on Jeff Nusitelli joining UAP here Jeff thanks for coming on the Unidentified Alien podcast happy to have you

happy to be here thank you really appreciate it yeah absolutely you know yours is a story that I think some if not most people are familiar with. And if they're not, quite frankly, quite frankly, they should be familiar with it. Because yours is really quite an incredible experience, especially given your background, your history within the Air Force and law enforcement through the Air Force and all these

different things that you've been through. So first off, before we get into your story and then some of the other details and topics that we want to cover here today, for anybody who doesn't know your history, what is your military background and your experience? Yeah, so I joined the Air Force when I was 18. I grew up in western Pennsylvania, so yeah, I joined

Air Force at 18. I wanted to be, I wanted to do something with a gun. I wanted to have a weapon. So when I went into the recruiter, you know, they went through all the different specialty codes

and Air Force is very, you know, heavy on high-tech kind of jobs and administrative type jobs. And really the only thing I could find where I would, you know, get some kind of combat training or carry a weapon every day was being a police officer. So, yeah, I signed up for that. Went to basic training and then went to the police academy and then some of the other ancillary training.

And my first assignment was in Japan, I got stationed in Masawa Air Force Base, Japan, the 35th fighter wing. And then my next assignment was at Bannerberg at U.S. Space Command. And, yeah, I had a pretty active career, heavily involved in law enforcement. I got to work a lot with some really high-calibre civilian law enforcement agencies like California Highway Patrol and various sheriff's departments, things like that. So, yeah, I had a really active, really cool career. And then, yeah, I did 16 years and I got out and then became a private citizen.

Very cool. Well, thank you for all your service. Always much appreciated. So when we go to the Vandenberg scene, so when you're there, you're stationed at Van derbyn's, I think a lot of people know that name, pretty famous base and quite honestly pretty famous in UFO lore. I mean, that's one of those. My legacy at that piece.

Exactly right. And your story actually is one of those that kind of got added into the legacy to the lore of Van derbynberg. So for anybody who doesn't know, and I will preface this, by the way, by saying that I know there's only so much you can say when it comes to this experience that you had in 2003 at Vanderberg. So don't feel pressured to give more than you currently can. You know, hopefully maybe down the road we could hear a little. a little bit more when you're able to do that. But for right now, whatever you can give us as far as the details of that experience you had in 2003. Great.

Yeah. So in that time frame, I'd been at Vanderberg for somewhere around three or four years. So I was pretty well established, knew everyone. I was assigned to Bravo flight. Military police work in flights, which is like a platoon, an army platoon. So we had about 60 to over 100 people on each flight. And I came into work about an hour early to do changeover with the offgoing leadership. Delta flight had been working that morning, the day shift.

So, yeah, I came into work, and I was immediately briefed by all the people there about this real-world UFO encounter that had happened that morning. So you're coming in for the night shift. Right, yeah. We work 12-hour shifts. there were more like 14 or 15 hour shifts. So two flights would be on duty in a 24-hour period. So Delta Flight had been working. I came on to relieve them.

And yeah, the whole squadron was kind of a buzz with this story about this wild event that had happened. And very quickly I figured out that they were not joking or pranking or it was a very serious event. And I went up and I went to the command center. I met with the Delta Flight leadership, and they gave me a briefing on what had happened. And all this was covered in the congressional hearing in July 2023. So the basic story was we had three Boeing contractors working on a national missile defense silo on the north end of the base.

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So, you know, he looks up at it. He can't believe what he's seeing. He gets two of his coworkers to come out. Now they're all looking at it. They observe it for some period of time. I can't figure out what's going on. And they called and reported the incident to their range control, which is a like a command center that oversees the various operations.

So they called their range control. They briefed them on what was happening. the controller at range control, you know, he reached out to all the various other command centers on the base. He called the weather station, asked him if they had any balloons or anything in the air. They said negative. Called the radar station, nothing on radar, and on and on. So he made various notifications trying to find out if there was anything in the air. No one reported that they knew what it was.

and then he called the law enforcement desk, our command center, and that's how the police got involved. He briefed the police on what was occurring, and the Delta Flight leadership, their flight chief and their senior patrolman, who was my counterpart, I was the senior patrolman for a Bravo flight at the time. They were dispatched, and they went out and they investigated. So they didn't see anything.

When they got there, they talked to the contractors, got the story, and then they had them write sworn written statements about what they saw, because the object had left and it had floated onto the installation. So it was somewhere on the base at low altitude. The patrolman took down all the data. They came back. we upchanneled it to all the command post on the base let them know they contacted various other agencies on the base to find out they knew what was going on in the brief of the situation

and then that was it we kind of you know they went back to work they didn't know what to do they couldn't locate this object we didn't have any kind of checklist or protocol in place to deal with unidentified flying objects. And then that was kind of it. They went back on duty. And then we went on duty. And then that evening we had another encounter, possibly with the same object or something similar.

We had a nighttime incursion. That happened to people that I'm very close friends with. I'm still good friends with them. There were people that I knew very well. And, you know, and the same kind of thing. They had this weird encounter. Then the object shot off. And I went out and I investigated as it was occurring.

And then, you know, I met with all the witnesses. I took sworn written statements. And then we generated a report. We up-channeled all the information to higher headquarters. and then, you know, it was like you just go back to work. Wow. You know? So they just expect you.

So after seeing these cubes fly over twice, once during the day, once at night, it's just kind of business as usual after that. I mean, did you find, did anybody report anything the next day, the week after? Was this a one-off? I don't remember exactly if we had. anything like immediately proceeding or after the event. But there were multiple other patrolmen that did see lights that night. And then we had other events that happened in the preceding days following.

I can't get into all that right now. So to answer your question, yeah, other strange UAP, UFO and encounters did continue over the period of October, 20 or 2003. And then I had an event that I can talk about that happened on Vanderberg in 2005. Okay. So a couple of years later is where you had your own personal experience after kind of being, um, well, I may be indoctrinated, introduced to, to this personally, um, a couple years later, you actually see something yourself, have something that, that happened to you.

Yeah, so what happened with me, this was, like I said, around 2005. By this time, I was the non-commissioned officer in charge of our law enforcement program. So I was sort of the program manager for our LE mission. And we think me and the other witnesses think it happened around April. We think it might have been around my birthday. And I had had a party. So all my coworkers had come over during you know for a big barbecue and and uh later that night everybody kind of left and two of my friends were still with me in the backyard we were sitting around a fire you know having a beer and um the odd thing was we were talking about this very subject and um because there had been so many weird things that had happened in vanderberg and um some of my

other friends, their parents were also military and they were telling me about some of the events that their parents had witnessed while they were in the military similar type events. And we were having this really deep conversation about, you know, what are these things? Why do they show up? You know, what's happening? And my friend Phoenix was her and her boyfriend, now they're married. They've been married, you know, since 2000 something. And she said, hey, guys, do you see that light?

And we all looked up and we're like, wow, what is it? And it looked like a satellite at high altitude. And it was kind of tracking roughly like heading west to east, like coming out from over the ocean at very high altitude. And it looked like it might have been like a starlink or something. but it was weird. It was pulsating with this steady rhythmic pulsing glow. It was a very white, like almost bluish white light, very clear. Clear night, a little bit of clouds, but we could see the stars and everything.

And we all got up, you know, off her feet and we were watching it for a while. trying to figure out what it was. And at first we were like, sad light, but then the pulsing threw us off. We'd never seen anything like that. We thought, oh, maybe it's an atmospheric effect,

or maybe it's a plane at high altitude with the strobe. But the longer we watched it, the weirder it got. And then eventually, it seemed to grow brighter and drop in elevation. And then it kind of started to move erratically. It started to, I describe it as fluttering. And it went from a very like normal, like moving object in a straight line.

And then it started to sort of like dance around. And that's when we got really, really like kind of freaked out like, oh my God, what are we looking at? So are we talking like appearing and reappearing in different spots? Are we talking like zooming from one spot to the next? It was sort of, at that point, we, we. We had a visual on it the entire time. And it would, it would sort of like flutter. It would, it would move directions almost like a, like a leaf in the wind or like a butterfly flying through the wind.

And it was just moving erratically. It would go from left to right, up to down. And it was moving like nothing we had ever seen, you know, an aircraft. It was moving like a butterfly in the wind. But it was, it wasn't. it was subtle but noticeable, this fluttering pattern. And we kept watching and we got more and more excited and interested. And eventually it dropped very low in altitude and elevation.

And it got very big and bright. And the light was this very strange, bluish white. And the odd thing about the pulsating when it was, when it got closer, it looked perfectly round. And it looked solid, but we couldn't see any kind of structure. It just looked like an orb, if you will. I described it as like a, it looked like a glowing hard marble. Because when the light would radiate out from it,

the light would almost, it didn't diffuse properly. It would like stop at like a fixed point. So it looked like it was like growing and it would look like a larger marble. but you could still see the object in the middle. So it wasn't like it was getting bigger and contracting. Sounds like some type of like plasma energy. Do you think I'm off on that? No, I've had people that know about plasma energy mentioned that.

Maybe it was something like that. But yeah, but then eventually it disappeared. And, you know, we had three sets of eyeballs on it and it just was gone. Wow. And then Like an instantaneous acceleration or just No, it just was there one moment and then not the next. Like it blinked out like it was gone.

And that happened a couple of times it would pop back in the view in the same general patch of sky. And then it would fade again. And then it came back into view. And then it dropped and came down like 250 feet over my house. This happened on Van der Berger in base housing. And it was hovering like 250 feet over us and then it vanished. It popped out of view.

And we were all standing there together like looking at each other, kind of in awe, in shock. And then I remember like keeping my eyes fixed on that patch over my house. but then my eyes were tracking to the right. Like my head and my eyes were moving, even though I couldn't see anything. And then it came back in the view, and this object was, we estimate, 30 to 50 feet in diameter. Okay.

And when it popped back in the view, my eyes had tracked it to where it was. It had moved, I don't know, you know, like maybe like 100 feet. And my eyes tracked it. while it was invisible. Wow. And that kind of like elicited like a gas from all of us and they're like, oh my God, there it is again.

And then I remember distinctly having this moment of like just sheer panic and fear shoot through me. And I looked at it and I looked at my friends and I looked at my house and I looked back at it. And then I had all this fear. It turned from like wonder and excitement to like sheer terror. And I had this thought that ran through my head. I was like, oh, my God, is it going to take us? Wow.

You know, and my ex-wife was in the house, you know, asleep. And it all just went through my mind like, oh, my God, are we about to be abducted? And then I took a deep breath and calmed down. And then I just focused on it. And I didn't take my eyes off of it again. and then it started to gently rise and then it started to accelerate and basically it left and raised in altitude and it stayed visible. It wasn't instantaneous acceleration, but it rapidly accelerated and we watched it until it

disappeared like a star into the night sky. We watched it until it got smaller and smaller until it was a pinprick of light. And then it was lost. And then, you know, we were just kind of standing there like in awe. And I went into the house. I picked up my landline. I called the control center. And this was like probably one o'clock in the morning.

And the demand center answered. I said, hey, man, I know this sounds crazy, but here's what just happened. I told them what happened. I told them who was there with me. And I told them, you know, I need you to call. weather, call the radar station, call the command post, and find out what's going on. So a little bit of time went by, then the command center called me back. I said nothing on radar, no balloons, no helicopters, no aircraft. And I told them, okay, Roger that. And I said, please log this in the blotter,

put my name, the other witnesses in, and up channel it. And I told that when I come in the work in the morning, we'll write statements, I'll type up a report and I'll submit it. And that was, that was it. Incredible. So that, that is on the books. That's, that's an official record citing on Van derbyrugnberg in 2005. Yeah, it was reported. Whether it's still, the record still exists or not, it, you know, that's the question.

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who was able to do that? Or did your friends say, hey, yeah, that happened to us too? They don't remember tracking it when it was like invisible. They remember it, you know, being visible, they're not visible. But I don't remember them saying that they could track it like I was. And the reason I ask it, and maybe, you know,

forgiving it from getting a little bit too like woo-woo here. But it's, I just start to wonder where was there possibly, or did you feel like there was some type of connection that you had with this craft? Because I'm thinking about what we hear now 20 years later with Jake Barber or anybody else, you know, as far as the psionic aspect of things, which we'll get into a little bit later your thoughts on that discussion currently. Do you feel like you had a similar connection?

Obviously not a similar feeling. Jake Barber talked about this feeling of peace and love and happiness. You had a very different, quite the opposite, actually. But do you feel like you had a connection somehow and that's why you're able to follow it, even though it wasn't there? I don't, I'm not sure. I just remember being. so intently focused on it.

I was afraid to take my eyes off it because I thought it would, it would disappear or anything, but I don't remember anything like, like an overwhelming connection or anything like that. I just remember being intently focused on it and in a state of complete, like, disbelief and all. What do other military members or just if you want to break it down to Air Force members think about this when they've heard this story over the years. I know you've spoken to Ryan Graves about it. In fact, Ryan Graves told the story in front of Congress back in, you know, during the first

congressional hearings in the summer of 23. So what kind of reaction do you get? Is it a mix of dude on what you're talking about mixed with, you know what? I've actually seen stuff too, but I've never spoken about it. Is it a little bit of both? It is a bit of both. And so what used to happen. Like when the initial Vanderberg events happened, uh, there was no doubt that something had happened. But there were people that, um, were on duty when the initial like red square event happened that,

they just dismissed it out of just outright. They were like what, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't anything abnormal, right? They thought it's a balloon or they just completely wrote it off. It's completely not interesting. And they just go about their day. And then there were other people that were skeptical, but, you know, they're like, okay. And then there were people like me that were like all in on it, like excited and like curious and trying to, you know, figure out and constantly talking about it.

And then throughout my career, you know, like we'd be having a party or something and people start telling stories like war stories or law enforcement stories or, you know, a ghost story. and when me and my friends did live through all that would start telling, well, you know, about our UFO stories. It was kind of the same thing. Like other people would just be like, you guys are full of, you know, your BS, and other people believed it.

And then sometimes they'd be like, oh, well, when I was in England or when I was in Japan or in Korea, I saw something weird. So throughout my career, I had the, I guess, good fortune of having people, that would come to me and share their anomalous experiences with me. So there was like this general idea that some people experience weird things like UFOs.

And then there are people that go through an entire career and never see anything at all. So it's kind of a mixed bag. But the good thing for me was like I'd be at a party and somebody called BS on me and and my friends and I'd go get the paperwork. and I'd be like, read that. Throw it down in front of them. When you are told other stories from fellow members of the Air Force or just military in general, is it similar to what you experienced?

Because that's a pretty extreme sighting that you had. Or is it more? Is it less? I mean, what kind of other experiences have you heard from military members or Air Force? Some of them are as extraordinary. some of them are just like they've seen weird lights or things zooming around that they can't explain a lot of ghost stories and para normal type stories and and that those type of stories started right when I joined you know like I was like 18 when I got to Japan turned 19 no I was 19 when I got to

Japan. And you know, you're getting to meet people, you're going to parties, you're socializing. And then people start to tell you weird ghost stories that happened to them while they were on duty. You know, I had a supervisor in Japan that called in a ghost. He was on an armed response team protecting a protection level one resource, which is the highest level of protection. And I was on duty when that happened. He called in a ghost. They were screaming over the radio. And like I said, the guy was my supervisor. And then our flight chief, our boss came out, like the platoon sergeant came out because it triggered an arm response.

So there was, at least around me, there were always weird things happening, not like constantly, but here and there. Like something strange would happen. And it would happen on duty. It would trigger a response. It would get reported sometimes. so there was always like this general like layer of weirdness like superimposed over your your regular waking life crazy why do you why do you think that is have you reflected on that before where you say to yourself you know the old why me question what have you come up with

on that yeah i think it's just because that the reality is stranger and more mysterious than we give it credit um i kind of went through that myself I went through a period where I was, you know, very scientifically minded, materialistic. I sort of like walked away from religion and, you know, because when I was younger, I've always been interested in religion and mythology and magical traditions and things like that. And then as I got older, you know, skepticism kind of takes hold and then I kind of wrote it all off. I'm like there's not anything here. It's all superstition and nonsense.

But the experiences in the military would never let me get comfortable in that skeptical world. Things kept happening. And kept happening to people that I really trusted and were highly credible. So like UFO events all over the world and weird ghost stories all over the world. And I witnessed a lot of that too. Like I might not have been like there when they saw a ghost or whatever, but I would be on duty and I'd hear it play out over the radio. So over the years I've had to constantly update my like the paradigm, like the ontological paradigm that I have in my head. And then when Vanderberg happened, that that really changed everything for me.

There was like no doubt. So when you say that, it's funny because it was just about to ask, what do you think you experienced when? when it comes to 2005 versus 2003. Now, 2003, that was kind of happening around you with these cubes day and night. And then 2005 is when you have your own personal experience, like glowing orb comes down. Do you think they were the same thing?

And what do you think they were? I don't think they were the same thing. And I don't know. I've been thinking about this since the day it happened. It's one of, it never goes away, right? you're always kind of going back, trying to figure out, you know, what was it? Why was it there? The fundamental place where I begin is, I think it's important that we were having a very active and deep conversation about the topic, about the UFO phenomenon, when it occurred. So I think that that's, I don't believe in coincidences anymore.

And part of that is from my law enforcement background, and part of that is from my religious belief. And that's sort of something that I have come to believe in the last, like, say, 10 years. I'm like, there are no coincidences. Everything is happening for some strange, inexplicable reason. Everything's kind of connected. So I think that there is a connection with consciousness, like because we were discussing it and thinking deeply about it. And then one showed up and said hello.

And I also, when the initial incursions had happened, I was desperately trying to find and see a UFO. I was out with like night vision going crazy. I'm like, I needed to see one so bad. And I didn't. And a couple of my really, really good friends did. So I was like super bummed out. I'm like, I'm hearing it all on the radio, but I'm like, I didn't get to see the thing, you know.

And then in 2005, I got to see one. Like, it's like your wish came true. So I don't know what it was. But like, I remember when all this started happening with the hearing and everything, I hadn't really talked to any of my friends that had witnessed that for a long time. And then I had to reach out to them. And then we started to hash out the story, like, what do you remember? What do I remember? And I remember Phoenix said, you know, when the craft arrived, and she used the word craft. And when she said that, it kind of hit me. And I realized, oh, I haven't been thinking about it as a

craft. For some reason, my brain never, like, put together like, oh, there's a living thing in that or piloting. So then it could be something spiritual. It could be something extraterrestrial. It could be something natural. And that's really all I can say. Like I don't know what it is. And I don't have a strong belief.

Like I know that was X, Y, or C. I don't know. And that's why I'm kind of still on this journey. I'm hoping that we can all find out what is going on? What are the things flying around in our skies and in our oceans and, you know, allegedly even underground? Yeah, really fascinating.

I do wonder, and like I said, I do want to hit on some of the other topics that I have written down, so hopefully we get to. But when it comes to this event, two questions pop in my head. Number one, was it making any sound in 2005 when we talk about just strictly that any sound to be heard and two do you feel like it left after you were experiencing that sheer terror you talked about no no sound whatsoever okay it's completely silent not even like a humming or nothing same on the cubes as well from from those reports no sound those were completely silent okay i don't think the fear triggered it because this whole thing happened in like

it was over my house for maybe like 30 seconds. This happened very quickly. We watched it. It was a few minutes as we observed it from high altitude come down. But in that like, I don't know, 30 second to probably less than a minute, it was there. That shock of terror I had happened probably in the first like, I don't know, 10 or 15 seconds. And then I was very calm and focused. and like in a state of wonderment and awe.

And then it, it sort of gently like left. It didn't like hurry off. I didn't get a sense that like, no, I don't think that negative emotion triggered the exit. I don't think so. Okay. Yeah, I was curious when you're talking about it.

I'm like, geez, you know, I wonder if there's like some instance where it felt like it was being scared away, you know, but it's, man, wild stuff. Now, I know you have spoken to Arrow about these incidences. What do they say? Are they taking it seriously? Did they brush you off? Are you still, if you can answer, are you still in contact about these different things? Yeah. So they took it very seriously. It was a collaborative effort. They provided me as much information as they're able to. The case, as far as I know, I haven't reached out to them for a while. It's been a couple of months. But they did verify relatively

recently that the case is still active and open and being investigated. Several times they reached out and provided me with updates about like tracking paperwork down and different things like that. They did verify that it is not related to any kind of U.S. government special access programs or U.S. Tech. So they ruled that out. So they know, you know, according to them, it wasn't anything we were doing. So, yeah, they took it very seriously. And yeah, it's a very important case from what I understand. Wow. So let me ask you this.

Now that they've ruled out, which I didn't know, I'm glad you said that, that they've ruled out U.S. tech or any type of, you know, special access programs. why can't it be, and I'm sure you've thought about this or you've had in your interviews, why can't it be adversarial? Why couldn't have been, whether it was what you saw personally in 2005 or the cube incident in 2003, why can't that be China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, any adversary, just in your experience? I suppose it could. But it would mean that they have beyond next generation tech that,

that somehow they leave from the United States and DARPA and Boeing and all these contractors by decades. Yeah, because that was interesting. You said there were Boeing contractors who reported the Cube on Vanderberg in 03. If anybody would know about a special access program, it would be contractors from Boeing, you would think. And they were dumbfounded by it. Yeah, and that's a good point because what those contractors were working on was next. generation tech. So this was the National Missile Defense Project.

This is like the follow on to the original Star Wars program. And yeah, what they were doing was like in incredibly difficult technological advancements. They're trying to shoot a bullet with a bullet, you know, with hypersonic missiles. I mean, incredibly complicated what they were trying to do. And I don't even know if they were ever successful in this program because it's so challenging, you know, from an engineering and material science standpoint. So that would mean the Chinese or the Russians were able to leapfrog us by, you know, decades. And if that were the case, in the world, in my view, they would either play, the Chinese would be playing it like, okay, we're going to,

Keep this a secret. We've let you know that it's checkmate. We've won. We're in control of the planet. So we're just going to let things play out. But I don't see why the Chinese or the Russians would have to play that game if they had that kind of tech. It would just be checkmate. Like, we're in charge of the planet.

They would make it known, right? Like, that's the MO. They would make it known. I would assume they would because why play games at that point? You know, they could just shut down our nuclear arsenals and bomb anything they want. And if you've got that kind of tech, they could, they would already, you know, have new Beijing on the moon, right? Why not? Yeah.

And it's a fair point. That's where I'm coming from. Like, why would, why would, if they're that far ahead, why would they wait to let the world know that they're the dominant power? Right. Right. And I think even we can go back if we even connect this to, and I wonder if you've made this correlation before, you connected to something like Robert Salas, where Robert Salas and the Malmastroo Air Force Base back in the early 60s where we talk about shutting down nukes, where those glowing orbs were seen over the base and literally shut down the nukes. And just within that same time frame, a few years later, you have Big Sur also in California, where the ICBM test is shut down, and maybe. air by a UFO. So, I mean, these are things happening back in the 60s well before. I mean, we can speculate anything we want about who has what technology in 2025 or what they had 20 years ago. But I think you would agree that we can say pretty confidently no one had any technology

like that 60 years ago. Right. Unless all these rumors that are kind of percolating now in the community about anti-gravity and new physics that went underground and were classified and But even that explanation doesn't explain the historical record, right? You could go back into time into antiquity, and human beings have been observing things in the sky and on the ground, you know, for as long as humans have been human. So there's no accounting technology with the historical record, you know, at all. And that's where we leave it right now,

part one. So thank you again to Jeff Neusateli for joining the show here today on UAP. Really again, just awesome to hear his side of things, to hear his perspective, and even better in part two. I cannot wait to get part two out to you on Tuesday is when I plan to have that out on Tuesday the 11th. So look forward to part two coming out then. And again, just so much great stuff because what we're going to go over in part two, actually, we cover his own personal experience with the so-called drones in the Northeast, specifically New Jersey. I was surprised to learn, and I'll just give you a little preview here, I was surprised to learn that he lives actually pretty close to Mayor Michael Milham of Belleville, New Jersey.

He lives right there in that area, and you know, I just spoke to the Mayor Michael Milham of Belleville, New Jersey last week right here on UAP. So it was really cool to hear that, and he was able to corroborate a lot of the things that the mayor was saying here last week on UAP. So you're going to hear some really, really great perspective on the so-called drone incursions over there, which are still happening, which Jeff alludes to and testifies to when we come back during part two of UAP. And that'll be in episode of 111, of course. And then we get into some deeper things, how he sees the spiritual side playing into all of this.

I discovered some things that I didn't expect to hear, actually. So really looking forward to presenting that. And so much more, his knowledge on the psionic end of things with Jake Barber, with Michael Herrera. We cover a lot of bases. That's why I put this into two different parts. And I'm glad you got to enjoy part one here today. And like I said, I'm really looking forward to everyone hearing part two coming out on Tuesday, February 11th. So stick around for that.

Now, before we go, though, I did mention that there was a representation. representative in Congress who actually spoke about one of the things that Jeff and I covered during our conversation. Little did I know that this was happening because as it was happening, Jeff and I were speaking yesterday recording this interview. But at the same time, you had Representative Steve Cohen from Tennessee. He was part of the House Aviation Subcommittee hearing on UAS, or in other words, unmanned aircraft systems. in other words, drones, things of that nature. So he brought up the drone phenomenon that was been going on. He refers to it in the past tense.

I still talk about it in the present because, well, we know better. We're talking to people who are telling us that it's still happening. This is completely reprehensible. And I'm going to do something here that I don't normally do, which is kind of go after somebody. in very, very rare cases I decide to do that only when I believe it is very much warranted, and I believe that it is warranted here with Representative Steve Cohen. And you can agree or disagree with that, but here's why I feel it is.

I'm going to let you hear what he had to say in this 37-second clip or so. Here is Steve Cohen yesterday during the House Aviation Subcommittee hearing on Counter-UAS. I want to debunk another recent aviation-related conspiracy theory, the so-called New Jersey drone crisis. Late last year, social media was flooded with claims of mass drone swarms, shutting down airports and threatening public safety. I thought Orson-Welts had come back. In fact, a full review by the FAA, FBI, and the DHS found no credible security threats.

Many of these studies were misidentified commercial drones, law enforcement operations, and even fixed-wing aircraft mistaken for drones. We must separate fact from fiction so that we focus on real threats, not viral internet hoaxes and not run to the cameras to make a statement and demand that Washington do something about it when it was nothing to be done about. Viral internet hoaxes, nothing to be done about it. There is so much wrong with this statement that I really don't even know where to begin. Obviously, it's a lie. Obviously, he's playing cover.

And this will connect during part two, like I said, where you're going to hear Jeff and I go into the current circumstances over his home in New Jersey. it's a complete disservice to the American people, to the people who are still experiencing these things. Not only in New Jersey, but throughout Ohio, throughout Indiana, now reports in Wyoming of these types of drones. This just actually just came out within the past few hours that I saw. These types of drones are following police officers after they've been spotted over sensitive facilities. The same types of reports that we've heard in the Northeast and in New Jersey are now being heard in the Midwest.

and in areas like Wyoming. So for someone like Representative Steve Cohen of Tennessee to come out and basically belittle everyone, millions of people who have reported these things. And, you know, really gaslight, an entire nation is completely and utterly despicable. If I'm being quite honest, it's reprehensible, it's shameful. He should be ashamed of himself, actually. And I implore anyone who is within the district. of Steve Cohen to make your voice heard, to call his offices and demand better.

I'm publicly calling for this because it just, it makes me really, really upset. It makes me sick, really, that you have somebody like this in Congress who is just so willing to come out and be so unabashedly despicable and so forcefully deceitful when he knows very well that this isn't the case. And maybe I'm being too harsh. Maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he's just dumb. Maybe he doesn't understand what's happening around him.

Maybe he got bad information. Maybe he's not paying attention to the situation. So maybe, there's a lot of maybes in there, I should give him the benefit of the doubt. But I also know how things work. And I know that different people are chosen to do different things within government. You're tapped on the shoulder to do this.

You're tapped on the shoulder to do that. and it seems like, and this is just my read, I can be 100% incorrect, but my read is that Steve Cohen has been tapped on the shoulder to go out there and continue what I believe to be a false narrative. That is, you want to talk about debunking a hoax. What he just mentioned is a hoax that can easily be debunked. I won't go into all of it again because I've spoken about it many times before within the past couple of weeks of why that statement is easily debunked

and you're going to hear more on it in part two on Tuesday. so I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time going into picking apart his statement other than the fact that it is completely misleading and he's gaslighting hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who can very much tell him and he is absolutely incorrect. It really makes me sick. So I'm publicly calling out Representative Steve Cohen from Tennessee. I'm perfectly fine with you joining the show, sir.

sir, if you would like to come on to UAP, this is an open invitation. If anybody has any channels to Representative Steve Cohen and wants to reach out to him and say, what you've done, what you said, we will not accept. And Stephen Deaner from UAP would love to have you on the show to have this discussion and maybe enlighten you. Or just to ask you straight up, why are you doing this to people? Why are you gaslighting people? Why are you gaslighting military members and police officers?

and elected officials, by the way, like yourself, Mr. Cohn, who have reported quite the opposite of what you're saying. If you want to disregard all that testimony, that's on you. But I invite you to join the show, Mr. Cohn. I hope you accept. And then I can tell you to your face how absolutely despicable that was. Well, that was fun, wasn't it? Got that off my chest? Goodness gracious.

I don't know. Feeling frisky on a Friday. I don't know. But I just... That really, really made me upset. And I wanted to put that out there and get that off my chest. So I apologize, not to be representative Steve Cohen, but to you if that was a little too much to hear. But I felt it was important to put out there. And I didn't want to mince any of my words and make my position very, very well known when it comes to this issue and what someone like that had to say. It's just so wrong.

But aside from that, a lot to look forward to, obviously, right here on UAPE episode 111 coming out, like I said, on Tuesday, part two with myself and Jeff Nusitelli. maybe you'll understand if you're a little bit lost as to why I was so strong there. And you're probably not. You probably agree with me. But if you, you'll hear a little bit more why I was so strong there because when you hear what Jeff has to say about what he's still experiencing it at his home when a part two comes out, it's all very clear. So until then, it's Stephen Dean here on UAP saying thanks again so much and continue to follow along.

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S-Dieneru-A-P at gmail.com. That's S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at G-M. email.com if you'd like to send me a direct message, feel free. If you agree or disagree with anything that I said or that Jeff said or just you want to say hello or tell the story, and that's perfectly fine. Whatever you have to say, I always read the emails and I do respond. I will respond. Quite possibly not right away. Usually not. Unfortunately, I wish I could. But I do respond. So feel free to write me any messages that you like. All that said, I hope you join on Tuesday for part two of this conversation. Really great stuff, and I can't wait to bring it to you then.

So until then, thank you again so much for everything, for joining the show, for downloading, for listening, for all the positive and reinforcing messages. I appreciate you all so much. I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate you. So until next time, it's Stephen Deiner right here on UIP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Talk to you soon. Thanks.