UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 111 "A Flood is Coming" Jeff Nuccetelli part 2

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

Stephen Diener finishes his discussion with Air Force veteran and UFO experiencer, Jeff Nuccetelli as they cover his unique insight and new developments into the drone situation, his take on psionics, and what some theologians are telling him about how this could all connect to a higher plane. Plus, be sure to stick around to the end for some very interesting tidbits of info...It's all here on this new episode of UAP. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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with Air Force veteran and UFO experiencer, Jeff Nusateli, part one. I mean, I really just so much enjoyed this entire conversation. Of course, you know, the whole thing happened at once on my end with Jeff and I spoke for over an hour and a half. that's why I wanted to break this up into two parts. Part one came out back on Thursday, part two today. So I'm happy to get the rest of the conversation out to you here today

because, I mean, I enjoyed every bit of this. And I hope you enjoyed part one because in part two, we're going to go more into because in part one, in case you missed it, it was more about just personal experiences, what he saw in Vanderberg base, what others talked about when it came to the Cube UFOs, the famous stories there, going back to 2003. So we covered all those bases and Jeff's own experiences and how that relates into today. What we went over next, what you're going to hear in this part two conclusion of the episode, Jeff and I, this actually went a little bit longer than I thought it was going to.

I wanted to ask Jeff about his opinion on the drone situation because he's in New Jersey. And I wanted to ask him about the statement that came out from the Trump administration about, you know, research and very, various other activities and FAA authorized, all those different things when it came to the drones. And they haven't said anything since then, as far as the administration is concerned. So I wanted to ask Jeff about that. And I'm glad I did because, man, he gave some just fantastic insight both personally and professionally. When it came to his observations, you know, using his background and law enforcement through the Air Force, it really turned out to be one of the highlights, I think, of the entire interview.

So I'm looking forward to hearing our conversation regarding the drone situation. situation. And there was a part in there, too, where he talks about something that keeps him up at night when it comes to this situation. And it really hit me. It really resonated with me. And I tell him that and I tell him why. So definitely pay attention to that part because, you know, it's like we're peeling back the onion more and more on this situation, I think. So really good stuff there. And then we get into the psionic discussion. What is his take on the whole conversation surrounding Jake Barbara and Michael Herrera and Cyonics and everything happening there right now? And also, again, path that I wasn't really expecting to go down. I wanted to ask him about the spiritual side

because I know that's also in his background. But it really got deep. So I'm looking forward to you hearing that. And it is, and I even say during the interview, I say it's kind of to be continued on that conversation because it was towards the end. And I thought to myself, I could talk about just this one subject here when it comes to the spirituality side in the UFO conversation. I could talk about that for the next three hours. And we had already been talking for an hour and a half. So you'll even hear me say it that I think we're going to have to continue that portion another day, but still in the little time we got to talk about it, it was really, really good. He also mentioned some other cases out of Vandenberg that haven't come out into the

public yet. Now, it doesn't mention them specifically, but we do get into what else could be coming down the pike as well as new witnesses coming up. He uses the term, a flood is coming. You've got to listen for that because there's just so much here in this interview that I really enjoyed that I think you're going to enjoy in this part two, this conclusion of my conversation with Jeff Nusateli. And then stick around for afterwards, because I'll have some final thoughts on that, give you a little bit of a little taste of what's to come next on UAP,

and cover some of the current events, because there is some news that just dropped that I found very curious. I'll just read this headline real quick, because I do want to get into a little bit more details on this coming out of the interview. The headline reads, New Exchange traded fund to invest in reverse engineered alien technology based on government disclosures about UFOs. Okay, it's a mouthful.

Let me read again. New Exchange traded fund to invest in reverse engineered alien technology based on government disclosures about UFOs. The story comes from the Financial Times. It's very convoluted. It's a little confusing, but I'm going to go through it and report on that after the interview here with Jeff. So definitely stick around because a little bit more tidbits to get to once we're done.

But until then, enjoy this year because a lot of great stuff here. Again, just wonderful observations and perspective here from Jeff Nusateli to finish off this conversation. So here's myself with Jeff on this part two of UAP. Enjoy. And I've had this conversation a couple of times with different people, Jeff. Actually, just recently I had on Mayor Michael Milham from Belleville, New Jersey. That's right down the road for me. Yep.

There you go. So, and he mentioned when it comes to the drones, obviously, if anybody hasn't caught on by now, we're talking about the drones. And he mentioned that these things are still flying over his home. Like this isn't like, oh, remember when this happened back in December? Like, it's still happening now. So in your experience, you think you can make any type of connections to what we're seeing now to anything that you saw or heard about 20 years ago? So my girlfriend just saw one, a drone, a drone, I think like four or five days ago. Yeah, they're still here.

Wow. We had, we had, she saw one. So my house is right near, you know, Belleville. Okay. I can look out my window. I can see Manhattan. And we watched the drones for hours one night. I mean, from like 6 p.m. to after mid-day.

night. We stood in this window. They were 200 feet over the house. They were doing a pattern over Manhattan. All of our neighbors know about them. We all talked about them. The drones are anomalous for sure. They're not drones. They're UAP, period. Now, there might be a mix, but all the objects that were here, there were no noise. She saw one that was larger than two helicopters about 250 feet over the house. Wow. No noise, no rotor wash. We're all very familiar.

There are airplanes everywhere. We know the patterns. We know where they're flying into. We have a helicopter route that passes right over our house. It's basically like a taxi for wealthy people. They go into Manhattan and back. We know the helicopters. We know the elevators.

elevation, these drones were below the helicopters. So you're talking 200 feet, 100 feet off the ground. And they're huge. They're large. S UV sized, bigger than helicopters, right? But they don't look like anything I've ever seen. They don't look like anything to my friends witnessed at Vanderberg or in other parts of the world. But they do match the historical record. So if you're familiar with the, incursions that happened in New England in the late 60s. The Air Force cops were calling in what initially they said might be helicopters, flashing lights, red, green, white lights at very low altitude over nuclear assets in New England.

But then the cops would call in, the lights went out when they launched fighters against them, F-4s. The lights would go out. things would banish. The fighters would fly off. They would pop back in, right over the nuke sites, right over the Air Force cops, just like what happened with me and my buddies. And then they were two, three hundred feet off the ground.

No noise. So it looks like the pattern is in the historical record. These drone incursions are not new. I don't know what they are or what their intent is, but they're definitely anomalous. And there is a historical record of these types of incursions. I mean, that's great perspective because that's not brought up a lot as far as incursions in the 60s over the New England area. And it sounds extremely familiar to what we're experiencing now. And the point of reference in the 60s was helicopters now, 60 years later, the point of reference is drones.

But neither of which seem to be the case. And I think it's really interesting too, Jeff, for you to be able to speak on it because you're in an extremely unique situation where you did have a legit unknown sighting, you know, over Vandenberg. And you can compare and contrast between the two. So it's really intriguing to hear you say that there is no noise with these as well. Is the size pretty similar to what you saw in 2005, bigger or smaller? because we're talking about the SUV sized. Yeah, the ones we, it's hard to really judge the size. It's hard to get a clear picture because even when they're relatively close,

you can't see them well. And we've got, we've got all kind of terrible videos of us trying to capture them. And they're maybe a quarter mile away. And you can't get a good image. And you can't get a good visual with your eyeballs. They looked indistinct. you can just see the lights flashing and sort of sometimes we saw what kind of looked triangular

but I'm not sure sometimes they kind of look square and it's like oh is that a quadcopter but you just can't get a good visual where like if even in nighttime if a helicopter goes by at that range eventually it'll resolve and I could see with my eye

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when you see these things you know that they're different it's like instinctual it'd be like if you were out hunting and you saw some deer and they were kind of off and then you got close and they're like they were robot dude

you would immediately your brain be like there is something off with this deer it is not natural So yeah, the drones out here, I don't know. I don't know what thing. Yeah, I mean, I was going to say, do you get that same feeling, though, when you see the drones? Do you feel like what I'm seeing here is not manmade? This isn't natural?

Or is it just like, is it more of a confusion type thing? It's more confusion. It's you and whoever you're watching with trying to figure out. But I didn't get that sense like, oh, my God, this is a UFO. Right. Oh, my God, this is something unnatural or supernatural or. we didn't get that feeling it's just like

you can't your brain can't resolve you're like I don't know what I'm looking at it's you know it's not a helicopter because your brain goes through all the pattern recognition and in all you are left with is like this is anomalous this is not this is different yeah and again I mean like you said no sound

so obviously you would hear a sound with a helicopter and you're in a like I said earlier a unique position given your your past experience with the siding, not only that, but you're training in the Air Force. So you would think for anybody who's listening and thinking, well, you know, this has got to be a misidentification. There's got to be an explanation. Maybe Jeff is just wrong about this.

You can speak on it pretty well. I mean, I would say. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of experience watching aircraft. Right. At all altitudes, man. It's pretty incredible. And I've also got experience with it.

like next generation unmanned aerial vehicles. Like I saw those being deployed during the war. You know, that's what the airport. That's what I did a lot of in the wars. I guarded assets like that. And I know what they look like. And they don't look like these drones.

We don't have flashing lights on our stealth, you know, weapon and surveillance systems. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a great point because it makes, It makes me wonder what you personally thought of when the Trump administration came out with their statement on this. It was Caroline Levitt's first press, the new press secretary is her first press conference.

And the first thing she does is read a statement from President Trump saying the FAA authorized these. It was part of a not experiment. I'm trying to remember just off the top of my head. Research and other things. Research and various things. That's right. And it was all authorized. Now, I think I can tell from your reaction that we're on the same wavelength of that's just complete, you know, BS, honestly.

So why do you think they came out with that statement when there's so much that we could easily point out to refute it? That's what keeps me up at night, man. I've always had in the back of my mind, right? I've had this idea. And this hit me very powerfully, you know, after I spoke with Arrow and the congressional hearings happened and all the things behind the scene, I have this terrible worry that I'm on the wrong side of disclosure. That whatever it is is so terrifying or bizarre or alien or disturbing that they would do anything to keep it secret. So I worry about that. Like what if I'm on the wrong side?

And the good guys are actually the ones that are willing to do anything to keep it secret, right? They're the real Avengers. They're like, if you people knew what this really was and what we're dealing with, you would not want this public. And we're working day and night behind a scene to try to mitigate this somehow. That's my deep fear. But despite that, at this point, I'm like, we need to know regardless. us. If that is the reality, then let's just get it out there. And then as a, you know, as the human

race, we can make a decision on what to do. So I hope that's not true. I hope what happened was they brought President Trump into a skiff. They said, okay, Mr. President, here's what we're dealing with. And he said, oh, my God, bury it. That's my worry. Now, I don't have any information. This is just pure speculation. Right. Through the things that I worry about and I think about like in this disclosure because everybody's like, I just want to see it.

I just want to know. And it's like, well, be careful what you wish for, right? Because maybe it's something so bizarre that we can't even fathom it, right? I have no idea. Because we literally don't know. It's been 70 years of intense research by brilliant people. book after book, video after video. We know that the government has been interested in desperately researching this incognito for 70 years or more.

We know the FBI just came out and said that they've been secretly investigating it too. Right. hiding that fact from the public. And then you have to ask yourself why. And it could just be as simple as we keep everything. secret. And that is a true truism, right? The military and the government overclassify

everything. So it could just be that. Yeah. Or it could be something terrible. Or, and this is where I'd like to drag my ideas so I can calm down a bit, maybe it's something so wonderful that they don't want us to have it

because it could change all the paradigms, our economic paradigms, our social paradigms, our social paradigms, it could just disrupt whatever the control mechanism that governments and institutions have on us. You know, and that's easy to speculate, free energy, the ability to be in control of our own, you know, destiny. Right. So it could be that, or it could be a blend.

I believe it's probably a blend, a blend where there are things out there, they're terrifying beyond comprehension and things that are wonderful beyond. comprehension and we're us humans are kind of right in the middle like in middle earth you know trying to navigate through the labyrinth but when they put out that that statement it just it kind of broke my heart you know it's like here we are nothing to see here really yeah yeah it's um i had the same reaction and so and you know i can only imagine from where you're sitting it was probably magnified 10 times. And I can tell you this, too, not to try to scare anyone or send shutters down anybody's spine, but I can't help but to comment on what you said at the beginning

there of your answer, which was it's something that keeps you up at night. And it really resonated with me. And I actually got chills when you said it from being quite honest, because I have a buddy of mine in the surface veteran you know works with some you know pretty high ranking stuff and we're talking about this over the weekend just private conversation wasn't anything on the show

or anything like that but he said he's like dude when I tell you that when that statement came out it was the most scared I've ever been in my entire career and I said it kind of took me back a little bit because you know, again, he's been through the wars like you, and he's seen different reports like you

that, you know, the public hasn't seen that would make the general public, like, take a step back and say, whoa, what is going on here? I didn't know this was going on. Like, he's been through that stuff. And for him to say that to me, I was like, why? And it was really just because of what you said, which is what is so, if we're going to go with the negative side, what is so terrible about this that we have the president who was one of his promises the first night in his office was to say, I'm going to tell you about this and then he didn't. And we're talking about a president, like let's be honest here. We're talking about a president that pretty much says whatever is on his mind and doesn't. No filter. There is no filter. Right. So with this,

there was a filter. And I think that was his point, which was there's something being hidden. And I don't know why it's being hidden. So to speak to what you were saying there. Yeah. Yeah, drones are the new swamp gas, man. Yeah. It just made me so angry. Because it's, you know, anybody to follow the drone incursions,

the response was incoherent. No one in the government could explain what was happening, where they were coming from. And the thing is, and this is where the historical record becomes important, right? You've got cops back in the 50s talking about encounters like this, you know, credible people. You've got airline pilots talking about it, credible. You've got the military. And if you look back, I keep going back to these incursions in the 60s in New England.

Some showed up on radar, but only military radar. The commercial airlines could not pick up the UAP on radar, but some. military grade once could back in the 60s. But then they would disappear from radar. They would just vanish off the radar. These drones are doing the same thing. They are managing signals. They're not radiating any kind of signals.

Like that's a big deal, man. There's no thermals. Like these cops in Oval City are chasing them. And they're like there's nothing coming off of this object. There's no heat. There's no radio signal. There's nothing.

And that's anomalous, right? Right. Like, as far as I know, we can't do that with any of our aircraft. There's always a heat signature. There's always something, right? Even stealth technology is not perfect. It just reduces the signal. But whatever's flying over, you know, that mayor's house,

is anomalous. No signals. So I'm really disappointed. It's like they should have just came out. I would have rather them said, listen, we got a briefing and we have no idea. Right. But we're going to find out that we need the public to help.

So if you see a drone, call the drone hotline. That's what they should be doing. There should be a government sponsored, like reporting line for this. And then they could have all the data aggregated. So anybody could go on a website and be like, was that a Starlink or a meteor or Venus or swamp gas or whatever? You know, but right now there's nowhere for the public to go. They're just being told you don't know what birds are. You don't know what balloons look like.

You can't tell if it's a helicopter 200 feet over your house. You're nitty. No one knows. Maybe pilots don't know what birds are. Nobody knows. You're all just mistaken. Yeah. We got more of that.

Yeah, and to add to that too, I mean, again, not to get like partisan or anything like that because I don't hear on the show. But just to speak to facts, this is an observation. This is a president who whether you like it or not has stuck to everything he said he was going to do. He's doing everything he said he was going to do during campaigning. Except this one thing. So that has to be, that's got to be a red flag. I mean, this is the only thing he hasn't stuck to. So we have to ask the question, why, right?

I mean, am I off on that? No, you're totally, listen, if they, if the, if the general public finds out what they really did the Martin Luther King. Like, we know a lot. They did horror. I mean, they tried to destroy that guy's life. Yeah. Yeah. Just for speaking his mind, right?

And JFK, God only knows what's really going on there. and all these other things that the government knows what they did to Martin Luther King and what happened to JFK. There's no doubt about that. They have been hiding that information, keeping it top secret for decades, right? And that's going to be disruptive, potentially. Like if people really find out what they were really doing and why JFK was assassinated and who did it, and what they did to these other, you know, American icons,

you know, on the surface, at least these are people that were trying to make the world better, right? And they got killed or destroyed. But the public, if the government's willing at this point to be like, all right, it's been 75 years or whatever, we're going to let you know the truth. It's going to be terrible. You're going to be shocked.

But we didn't do it. Everybody that was involved in dead. That could be disruptive. We could have rioting. And they're willing to let that cat out of the, bag, but not the UFO thing. Yeah, makes you wonder, you know, again, is it, is it the negative side or is it the positive side about, you know, like free energy and things like that? Or like you said, is it a blend? So yeah, yeah. And I try to remain very positive. I try not to dwell

in negativity because I think negativity begets more negativity. Um, so I, I, I can't help thinking about those things because that's the way my mind works. And for my mind works and for my background. Like I had to figure out where the bad guys are, what bad things might happen. So, you know, I naturally go down the dark path, but I always try to come back to the light and be like, all right, think positive and then try to figure out like, what can we do? And in a positive way, instead of just talking about it. Like, and that's happening now. We have citizen science happening with all these different organizations being spun up that are like, we're going to, we're not waiting for Big Daddy government to tell us. We're going to go find out what's happening.

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and Jake Barber, Michael Herrera. I do want to get into that side of things. But before I do, just the last couple of things on this and what you're seeing, when it comes to, again, the drones, air quotes, have they been different? Have you noticed like, hey, this one's different than the one I saw in December? Or have they been pretty consistent? I saw one, it was on I-95, it's about two weeks ago. It was rush hour traffic.

I'm heading north on I-95. I think I was just south of Philly. And so you're talking wall-to-wall traffic, just right? red lights and thousands of cars. And there was a, look like an aircraft coming in on approach, but it was, it was flying south directly over I-95, relatively low altitude, super bright light,

like a landing light. And it kept getting lower and lower. And eventually, it was like 500 feet over the highway and it went right over my car and everybody else's car. As it was getting closer, I'm like, that's weird. That's weird. So I grabbed my phone. and I'm driving and I put my car on autopilot.

I'm like trying to get my camera, the video. And then it kind of resolved in that bright light, got a little bit dimmer, and then I saw the taillights flashing red and green. I'm like a freaking plane. I put my phone down, and all the cars in front of me, thousands of cars are hitting their brakes,

slowing down, and they're looking over, this plane coming right over it. and then it passed over and I'm like, that is not a plane. Oh, wow. And I wish I had a video capture. Another podcaster had a video of a similar object. It was on a newsreel.

And it looked like a plane. It was plane shaped, but it was smaller, too small. It was shaped like a passenger plane, but too small. And it looked like a freaking mechanical shark. or something, man. It didn't look like a plane. And it didn't look like a shark, but the way it was built was more like organic.

And I'm like, okay, what the hell was that? And the ones around here, like I said, my girlfriend saw one that was distinctly triangular in shape, but she couldn't really make it out. And, you know, it was dark but not super dark. and she couldn't figure out why she couldn't resolve it. But, you know, she couldn't, she said, like, the structure looked almost like a shadow of a triangle. Like, she couldn't see, like, a physical triangle.

And then, like I said, some of them looked square, but that could have just been the light arrangement. Right. So I don't know what they are. And they do look different. And some of them that we saw in Jersey were much larger and some looked really tiny. but then again it's hard to tell because it's really difficult to tell range something in the sky it's very difficult yeah if something's a mile off or you know a half a mile off or at 5,000 feet or three you know so it's all an estimation but yeah it's it's weird you can't really get a good

good look at so last question on this because one of the theories about this has been you know I guess going back to the statement about various activities and research, why, in your experience, has there ever been a scenario where the government or the FAA or any type of government agency or military, for that matter,

would authorize some type of activity like that over an urban area without putting out any type of notice to air missions, notice to airmen, any type of no-tams. to anybody in the area. Because as far as I know, there hasn't been a no-tam put out within the past couple months.

I mean, does that make any sense to you that they would be doing, conducting some type of high-tech research over urban areas? No. That's the thing, man. That's where they could claim whatever it is. But in David Fravers said this, I think, during the hearing. He's like, we don't test tech on our own people

in our ranges. We have ranges for them. Right. And that's true. And it would be incredibly irresponsible for anybody to run an operation like this. Because I don't care how advanced the tech is, things break. And that's the thing. Like, I did a lot of work related to crash retrievals during the war. These are not UFOs. These were our tech

that they brought out, when the war started. These were just advanced, unmanned aircraft. And they kept crashing. And then me and teams, we would go out and we would secure the site until contractors came in and did an evaluation.

And we would just guard the thing. So I have experience doing that, like real world experience, provable experience. So if they are conducting research and other various things, it's wild inappropriate because if if a SUV-sized drone comes down on a neighborhood, a school,

like why take that risk? Yeah. Why not do it? We have all of Nevada is a test range. Right, right. New Mexico, huge test ranges. Why would they do it in New Jersey? Why are they flying around in Manhattan?

There are buildings there. Right? none of it makes sense. And, you know, why are they shutting down Langley? Why are they shutting down Lake and Heath? Why are they shutting down Milton Hall? Correct. Why, you know, why would you have your law enforcement resources, scrambling, running around, wasting time and putting people in danger, chasing drones and helicopters?

That's incredibly dangerous for the police and for the public. All it takes is one cop to get freaked out because something shows up right next. to him in a helicopter, and now he's crashed into a home. Yeah. So if the story that the administration put out is real, everybody should be angry. Every mayor, every governor, every head of an agency, every congressman should be screaming and pounding on doors and hauling people in front of Congress under oath, explain. why they're putting our first responders,

our military, and the public and our children at risk with this freaking research. It's damaging national security. If they can't fly out of Langley, if they can't get our F-22s and F-35s in the air, because the FAA is screwing around, big problem, right? So none of it makes sense. It's all swamp gas. They're hiding the truth.

again. And it's going to be just up to us, we the people, in the public, collecting our own data, getting our own videos, our own radar tracks. And we have to, we have to let the public know what's going on. We have to do it ourselves because they are not going to tell us the truth. Yeah. It sure seems that way now, doesn't it? Unfortunately, on that note, I'll switch, I'll switch it up here before we're done. And thanks again, Jeff, for joining and for spending so much time. Thank you for having me, man. I appreciate it.

Absolutely. Anytime. So going towards what I mentioned earlier, the kind of the current situation surrounding now this discussion that was always kind of in the background. It was always kind of taboo, quite frankly. And a topic that's taboo itself sometimes that has a stigma related to it with the UAP topic. there's even more taboo when it comes to psionics and you know psychic abilities uh remote viewing being able to consciously connect to a craft and call it down or bring it down or interact with it these are the things that now are coming out into the forefront of the conversations because of

what has come out with jake barbara through through the ross coldheart video interviews the crash recovery of the AGUAP and the subsequent conversations surrounding what Jake Barbara says was this type of connection that he had now working with Skywatcher his group employing psionic talented people I guess you could say people with cyanic abilities who are able to connect with these things what is your take as you see in this all going down are you familiar with anything like this every being experimented on in your military career that you come across and do you think they're on to something? I think they're on to something.

Well, I guess start with just a psionics. So I naturally, I'm a hyper-sceptical human being, very scientifically minded. I have a graduate degree in science. I've done science. I understand the scientific method. And then from my background is based and it is evidence-based, right? We're trying to find out who committed the crime, where's the missing child, whatever. So very fact-based and evidence-based.

But again, like throughout my life, I had to completely reevaluate because people I know in love would demonstrate what you could call psionics abilities, precognition, things like that. And I think if most people really take some time and meditate on this, think about it, we'll come to the same conclusion. Many, many women that I know, after either during, you know, pregnancy or after having a child, have had some kind of psychic type phenomenon where, and I've seen this personally,

with my ex-wife and my children, where my wife would come in and say, I got to call daycare something's happened to, you know, her daughter. And then the phone rang, and it'd be daycare. Hey, your daughter had an accident. She got a boo-boo, whatever. many women in my family have demonstrated that capacity on and on. And I don't think the women in my family are special. I think that all women probably experience something like that with their children or dreams.

They wake up and say, I had a dream that so-and-so died. And then the phone will ring, like within minutes, hey, whoever passed away. So I've seen that With people I know and love Family members So I have to start with there Like I've seen that And I've had

You know everybody can kind of like relate to like I was just thinking about you And then they call Right I've had that happen a lot I think many people And then there's phenomenon Like deja vu

That I cannot get a Psychologist Or psychiatrist To explain to me A feasible reason or explanation on what deja vu is, because I've experienced powerful deja vu. It's like, what is going on?

Like, I'm seeing it as it's happening, and I know about it as it's happening. Like, what is that? So we don't know that much about the human mind, and we know almost nothing about consciousness from a scientific perspective. But if you look at religious and magical tradition, throughout the ages, it's all right there.

Like, you can look at all kind of different esoteric practices where people can get in a meditative state or they can do some kind of ritualistic magic and they can either see visions, they can remote viewing. They used to call it sprying, right? So there's a long history of humans trying to tap into our consciousness to gain some kind of power or control over.

over reality. So I'm starting there. Like fundamentally, yes, I believe it. I didn't always, but I do know. And then you could shift gears into, okay, what's happening in science? So decades ago, I know the Air Force was working on interfacing the mind with tech. And they had, I don't even know what it was called, but it was an interface where, and now it's out in public where you can put on a helmet and fly an airplane, right?

You can interface directly with the computer with what's Elon's new tech, the neuralink, right? I think I saw an article the other day where the neuralink patients can interface directly with a robot, and the robot can draw what they're thinking. So this tech has been developed by the U.S. government. I don't know how sophisticated it is, but they had mind computer interface. And this was a long time ago. It was primitive, but I remember seeing articles saying, yeah, we could get these people to, you know, interact with a computer screen. They can move the cursor.

They can. And now with Neurrelink, apparently, the NeuroLink patient is like the best video gamer in the world because he's doing it at the speed of thought. Now, we move on to interfacing with UAP. So when I hear this is all new information to me. I've never heard anything about psychic assets being deployed or used by the U.S. military. This is all brand new for me. So I'm taking everything with a leap of faith. But I'm falling into the camp that these people are legitimate.

and I believe that they will be able to replicate what they're claiming they can do. So the jury's out. We have to wait and see if they can replicate what they're claiming they can replicate, which is they can summon UAP and then interact, interface directly with them and even gain some kind of measure of control. Now, at one point in my life, I would have thought that was completely, like I used to write off the remote viewing stuff is complete nonsense. Because I'm like, did just remote view the powerball, dude?

What are you wasting your time? So that's where I would fall. Like, I'm like, I had this baseline belief like, yeah, this could all be real. And I've seen people do things and have precognitive dreams. And I've had things like that too. And then I, at the same time, I'm writing off. you know, the remote viewers because I'm like, that's just too easy. You could just remote view everything and know everything and win, win at everything.

But I don't think it works like that. So now I'm in a, I have fallen to a state where this is all extremely plausible. I think we're in a very unique part in history where ancient traditions that used to be considered magic or mystical traditions are running headlong into science. And we're going to find out that the world and consciousness is much more mysterious than we thought in a materialistic view. We're missing. The materialists are missing most of the picture, in my opinion. Right. So it's going to be exciting.

So I'm hoping that Jake Barber and his team can replicate this on a large scale. And then we can start moving forward. Now, there is some danger because when you study all these magical traditions and practices, there's nothing but warnings. Like, you have to do this correctly because you don't know what you're dealing with. You don't know what you're summoning. And we don't. Yeah. So let's say Jake is 100% legit.

His team can summon these objects. We have no idea what they are. It does, you know, feel like a little bit of uncharted waters, even though, like you said, it's been going to be. going on for a long time, whether or not we wanted to acknowledge it or put it in the mainstream, so to speak, the fact that it is being brought out to the forefront feels new for a lot of people. And I wonder, and we'll get you out of here shortly after this, I wonder your take on the spiritual aspect, right? We spoke a little bit about the spirituality side of things, and we talked about, you know,

what are we summoning? how do you think the spiritual aspect kind of connects to all this? I know it's a deeper question. I know it's probably something we can write, you know, do an hour long just on that, quite frankly. But when we talk about, you know, what are we summoning? Are these different types of beings? Are they NHI? Are the angels or demons?

You know, that question is asked a lot. It's brought up in pretty high circles, actually. It's not really a crazy thing to ask in a lot of people's minds. So, I mean, how do you think this all? intersects. I think it all does intersect in some way. So I've been, that's one of the deepest, most interesting questions I have. I'm less interested in the nuts and bolts than the physics. Like, that's interesting. Yeah. I'm fascinated in the spiritual implications of this, the ontological implications of this, like what's happened. So luckily for me,

I am now good friends with some really top minds on this subject. So I have a good friend named Paul Thigpen. He's a theologian and a scholar of, he's a Catholic, and he's been studying this. He wrote an excellent book that I'm still working through. It's a dense dive into this very question about how it relates to Catholicism. Like he's trying to get to church. to engage with the broader public about how do we think about NIH?

There are demons and devils and angels and saints and NIH, and how does it all relate? So I've been talking quite a bit to Paul and my other friend Luke and another theologian Matthew Halstatt. And they're trying to explore this very topic. So what I get from Paul, and Paul's book is called, I believe it's called extraterrestrials in the Catholic faith. I need to talk to this guy. I'm just going to throw that out there.

I would love to talk to him. He definitely put you into contact with Paul. He is a brilliant, brilliant theologian. He's just an incredibly good human being and an incredible intellect. I love it. And basically what at least the Catholic perspective is. And this gets all, and then to get into this realm, you have to get,

you have to dive into the rabbit hole into, you're talking about demons and exorcisms and possessions, because the Catholic Church has protocols to suss that out. So if they have somebody that comes to them and they're having, encounters, let's say, with or spirits or aliens or whatever. The church has long-established scientifically established protocols to try to suss out what they're dealing with. And according to Paul and the church in general, they can make a determination if an encounter

involves a spiritual entity, a demon, or an angel, they're different. And then there are N.H.I. They don't know what the NHI are, but according to their tradition, they're distinctly different from angels and demons. These are different types of entities that all would fall, I guess, broadly under non-human intelligence, right?

And there's a lot of work being done behind the scenes to try to get the church to engage, and educate the public about this topic because, you know, people like me have questions. Like, I have children and other people have children and people they love. And you have this terrifying aspect of the phenomenon with the abductions, right? And that's a topic I always, I never delved into because it's too scary for me. you know, I've worked a lot on, you know, kidnappings and child abductions. Yeah.

Nothing more terrifying. So, you know, this is a conversation that needs to be had. Like, and it falls into your cultural and religious context. Like, what do you believe? Like, do you believe in angels and demons at all? Do you believe in aliens at all? And then if you have some kind of encounter with just a life, or an orb or a craft or a being or a shadow creature,

and you're not religious and you don't have any kind of background to deal with that, then a lot of people I know that have had encounters that are not religious or spiritual, they really have a hard time handling because they internalize it and they're like, I am mentally ill. I have maybe there's a tumor in my brain. I'm hallucinating. I have schizophrenia. I'm having a nervous breakdown.

And a lot of people end up on a very dark road and they're very alone. And they end up with psychologists and psychiatrists dealing with them. They have no idea what they're dealing with. They look at it from a clinical perspective. You need drugs. There's something wrong with you. So this is a very important topic that we need to have with the general public. Yeah, I agree.

Maybe it's to be continued on that. Maybe if I can talk to Paul on a different day, or have you back on as well, because I'd love to have you back on, Jeff, and especially when you are able to give more details, real quick, just in case people are wondering if you can answer the why, because I'm sure there are some people wondering why when they say, well, why can't he go into more details about his stories that, you know, we heard at the beginning of our discussion. What is the answer to that? Can you answer the why on that?

It's nothing deep and dark or anything like that. right now there's a lot of movement behind the scenes i'll say that and um how do i put this there's just some interested parties that are trying to do very good things with the van derbyr case um for the benefit of the general public that would just like for me to kind of rein in bringing out additional details until we're ready. There's a lot of people that were involved in those encounters that are not public. They haven't had an opportunity to tell their story. There's a lot of other encounters that occurred at Vandenberg that are not public at all.

I'm working with some of those people to try to encourage them and come out. They're extremely credible. They had extraordinary encounters like mine. close up encounters with craft. So we're trying to make the space safer and more coherent. Put the narrative together more coherently and kind of bring everything out at once. Instead of me popping bits and pieces out here on this podcast or there, that's really just it. Nothing deep and dark.

We're just trying to kind of coordinate behind us. scenes and people won't have to wait long. I'm talking a couple of months and then we're going to start bringing out more details, more information, more people. And I'm really excited about they're not whistleblowers. They're just witnesses because their information is not classified, but they are beyond reproach. These are some of the most baddest dudes that have ever walk the walk as far as the military and they're getting ready to come out in a big public way so it'll be worth the way.

That's awesome. Wow, that's exciting. I mean, I would love to follow up with you on that or any of the guys that are willing to talk in a few months. I mean, just to be able to have those conversations down the road and to hear their stories. That's an exciting prospect. So, I mean, where do you think all this is going to be? let's say by December, where do you see all this standing as far as, you know, knowledge goes and what's out in the public? I think a flood is coming.

I've been pushing for that since the beginning. I think enough people have been emboldened and encouraged by the hearings, by all the whistleblowers and testimony that's coming out. a lot of it with evidence. We're not dealing with just stories anymore. A lot of these incidents that are like, they're too difficult to believe even for me, but behind the scenes they're resolving

and it looks like a lot of these people that have been kind of demonized and ridiculed publicly are legitimate. And there's more of that coming. in a big way. There's just too many credible military witnesses that have no reason to come out publicly and humiliate themselves

and put their names out there. They're not looking for fame. They're not looking for fortune. They're really just patriotic people. They're mothers and fathers, and they love their country and they love humanity. And they want the public. to know this is all real. And they want to find out just like me, like they don't know what it is.

Like no one I know really knows what they saw. They have ideas. They've been told by the powers to be like, oh, you saw this and you saw that and this, what it is. But no one knows for sure. And I think this flood that is coming by the end of the year, it'll be undeniable. And I'm not so much worried about getting the government to disclose anything. Like, I don't have much confidence that they'll ever do that. But I think with all the citizen science, you know, I'm really hoping the Galileo project and all the different, you know, the new Skywatcher, they could just show us, like, here, we've got the data and we've got evidence and it's, you can replicate these studies and

and it's all there. And then we can really start to have the conversation about what is really going on. And that's in every domain. And for me, the biggest domain is the religious and spiritual and medical side of it. Like the medical stuff, I know people that have met people that have been injured by these crap. And I've been very close to them. And I have health issues too. The doctors can't diagnose.

We don't know why you're sick. And then it turns into the whole thing. Is it Gulf War syndrome? Is it because you were exposed to chemicals or radiologics? You know, who knows? At least then we can start having the conversation like, what are they, why are they here? What does it mean?

What are the implications? And then practical things like, what are the health implications? You know, what happens if you get close to one of these? Yeah. Wow. You know? Just incredible stuff, Jeff.

I mean, and I, I, I appreciate. I mean, honestly, I'll just tell you now, this has been one, one of my most favorite interviews I've ever done. So fascinating for me, so, so intriguing. Just, just the depth of the conversation that we've been able to touch on and all these different topics to get your perspective on it, giving your unique experience in all the different realms, whether it's military history, citing history, these experiences. It's, and your location as well when it comes to, you know, personal experience with what's flying around out there in the New Jersey. location. This has just been fantastic, so I appreciate you doing this and spending all this time. It's actually been one of the longest interviews I've ever done.

I don't normally do. The theme is never really to go like the Sean Ryan, Joe Rogan, you know, three, four hour interviews. That's not really what I end up doing. But you've had the time and this has not felt like an hour and a half at all. So I just figured let's keep going because it's just been a fantastic thing. You know, discussion.

And like I said, man, I'll try to send some of my friends your way. I would love to get, you know, Paul and Luke and Matthew. There are three like incredible minds

that understand, you know, the spiritual and religious implications. And they're out there writing white papers for soul and they're into trenches. And it's an important conversation. And I would love to hook you guys up.

And maybe we could all jump on and do a three hour one because they can, And the topic is just endless. And it's fascinating and it's important. Absolutely. And I really appreciate the work you're doing, man. It's really important work. I see the podcasters as really frontline troops.

You know, you guys are the ones putting your time and money and energy into giving people like me time and to talk about it. So you guys are the frontline soldiers. So anything I could do to help, anytime you need me. You've got my number, man. Give me a call. And I'll be right there for you. I truly appreciate that. Thank you, Jeff.

And thanks for everything here today on UAP. We're definitely going to stay in touch. And I can't wait to have you back on again. Like you said, maybe when the dam starts to break a little bit, we'll have you back on the information side of things as well on how we can tie this all together once you can put more of that out there. So I think a lot to look forward to, which is great. So thanks so much.

Right on, man. Appreciate it. Jeff Duceatelli here on UAP. Thank you. Thank you and thank you to all your listeners. I really appreciate it. Thank you again to Jeff Nusatelli for joining for spending all that time here on UAP. I hope you enjoyed that. I truthfully, honestly did. It was such a great conversation with him, and I look forward to having him back on and others that he mentioned as well. Some really great stuff coming up.

He talks about the Catholic perspective with those theologians he was talking. Man, I really want to get into that discussion. So whether or not it's, you know, as far as what your background is, what your religion is, doesn't have to be that you're Catholic or that you practice a Catholic faith to have a conversation like that. I think it's just overall fascinating to consider how this all comes together. I mean, I really do believe that the spirituality aspect, whatever side of faith that you're on, just spirituality as a whole, I believe, is really the main cog in this discussion. I feel like how I look at a grandfather clock where, you know, there's that one big cog and everything kind of goes around it. and that's how I kind of view the conversation around UFOs,

and that one big cog is the spirituality end of it. So, you know, I just wanted to put that out there because I really look forward. That is a conversation I'm going to be having in the future. When? I don't know. But that is, as you know, if you listen to the show, that's a road. I've tried to go down a few times. I have gone down a few times.

I haven't done as much as I've wanted to. So if I get to do that in the future, I really look forward to it. But again, just kind of going back to some of the perspectives and some of the insights that Jeff did drop, there. I thought it was interesting, number one, that he says he can see them flying over Manhattan when it comes to the drones. He can see them flying over Manhattan and the skyscrapers and all these tall apartment buildings and all these different things. You don't hear about that. Why don't we hear about that? And maybe I should have asked that to Jeff. Why don't we hear

about that? But I was so enthralled in the conversation and that that follow-up didn't come to mind. And maybe I'll ask him that next time when he's on the show again in the future. But I mean, you would think if there's these things, I'm not saying that Jeff is, wrong or making it up, that's not my intention, so don't take it that way. I'm saying, if these things are flying over Manhattan, why isn't that being reported? I'm more curious as to why it's not being reported. Not questioning what Jeff is saying. He lives there. He sees it happening. I'm questioning why isn't that being reported on the news? You would think that would be a really big deal, right? But it just seems like this story is getting buried, I think, is my overall

point with bringing that up. It seems like it's intentional that that would not be reported, Otherwise, if this was back in November or December, that would be all over the news. That would be on every single mainstream media news outlet, print or TV, whatever you want to say, social. It would be on there. You know, mystery drones fly off from Manhattan. Now it just feels like they completely ignore this thing. And I just very, very curious to me. Something stinks with this because it is still going on.

You know, I spoke to Michael Milham, like I said to Jeff there, just a couple weeks ago. You heard him say that they're pretty much neighbors. I mean, from their proximity to each other. So they're both still seeing these things. They haven't stopped. I mean, there's still videos out there today. I saw a video earlier today of one of these things flying over. And it's not just the Northeast.

It's also in the Midwest. Ohio, Indiana, and even further west into Wyoming. It's just getting buried. It's very concerning. And it's frustrating at the same time. But outside of that, I was really happy I also got to ask him about what they do. And I knew the answer, but I wanted to do. hear Jeff say it as far as you know, would the FBA authorize or would military authorize either way

some type of research activity with advanced technology over urban areas? And of course, the answer is no. That's not a thing. This is not how it works. So, again, not to beat a dead horse here, but I'm going to keep an eye on the situation because something stinks, that's for sure. But I do absolutely want to touch on real quick what Jeff said there at the end with the phrase, a flood is coming. Such a pointed thing to say there. Because this is a guy who talks to people behind the scenes. This is a guy who talks to people like him, you know, veterans, service members who have had these experiences and haven't spoken about them. There's a lot of people like that. And that's not just coming from Jeff. You've heard that from Anthony Williams in the past year

on the show. Jason Sands has talked about that. We've talked about that personally. I mean, you can name any type of witness or whistleblower. Jake Barber has spoken about it. Michael Herrera has spoken about it. There's all these people behind the scenes that are still waiting to come out and talk about it. I mean, listen, before Jake Barber and Jason Sands came out, they were some of the people that people spoke about saying there's more guys coming. And then they came. So whether or not you believe the stories is completely up to you. The fact of the matter is there are more witnesses in the military who are waiting in the wings to come out.

And for Jeff to say at the end there, there's a flood coming. was really, really encouraging, actually. I got excited when he said that because hopefully, and like you heard me say, you know, where do you see this being by the end of 2025? And I mentioned December. And it sounds like, you know, his opinion anyway, that will be in a very different situation as far as the amount of witnesses that have come out where it's going to become undeniable, where you have all these different former and current military, you know, witnesses

who are going to come out and speak about what they've seen. We spoke about a couple of things off the air that I'm not really going to get into because, you know, it wasn't on the air for a reason. But all I can say is that there's definitely more people who have stories out there that have not come out into the public yet. And I can't wait personally for a couple of those to come out that are waiting in the wings. It's wild stuff. Now, that being said, that kind of connects to what I wanted to finish off with here today. I mentioned before going into the interview this headline that came out earlier today

and I'll read it again in case you forgot what it was was a headline that read New Exchange Traded Fund to invest in reverse engineered alien technology based on government disclosures about UFOs. The Financial Times put out this story today and I wanted to touch on it. So I clicked on the AI shortened version

from Grock if I'm being completely honest because to read through the entire article and trying to make sense of it is not something that I was looking to do. So I clicked on the little AI tab here on X on Twitter, and this was the summary of this article. There's a group called Tuttle Capital, and they have filed for a new exchange traded fund, ETFs, named the Tuttle Capital UFO Disclosure, AI-powered ETF. And according to the summary here, it's going to focus on investing in companies, potentially exposed to reverse-engineered alien technology that would be inspired by government disclosures about UFOs. So just that one part there, the summary on that one bullet point,

I mean, we can connect that, at least I will, connect that to what Jeff and a lot of these other witnesses and whistleblowers have been talking about how there's much more guys ready to come out, we're going to get disclosure, we're going to get this to come out, and this secret and that secret, and people are going to find things out. It really makes you wonder, I mean, It's hard for me at least not to connect the dots when I hear stuff like that.

And then you see this report come out from the Financial Times about this total capital group in their new ETF based on government disclosure and reverse engineering technology. This is, I've never heard of anything like this in my entire life. So the ETF, the exchange traded fund, and it's going to be on the ticker with the code UFOD. its aim is to invest at least 80% of its assets in those companies that they're mentioning as far as those potentially exposed boy the wording there is interesting companies potentially exposed to reverse engineered alien tech that's where 80% of their investment is going to go

that's incredible so I guess my overall thought on this aside from it being unheard of and just completely incredible and wild in so many ways my thought process goes towards always follow the money. Whenever there's a secret about something, it's usually there's a secret because a lot of money is involved or some type of scandal or corruption that would tie back to money in the end anyway.

And when you look at this total capital, this group here, this firm, whatever you want to call them, I don't think anyway that they would be investing 80% of their assets into companies potentially exposed to reverse engineer technology if there was no such thing as reverse engineered technology. It sounds like they're investing a lot of money in this ETF. Why would you do that if it doesn't exist? Or even better, if they're not expecting it to come out to the public.

You would think if there's going to be a lot of... Now, to be fair, the amount is undisclosed. But I'm pretty sure it's a lot of money. That's just my assumption. I could be wrong, but it sounds like it's a lot of money. 80% of their assets, the total capital. So if you're going to invest that into these so-called exposed companies who are involved with reverse engineer technology,

if you're going to do that, you would think you would be pretty confident in two things. One, that it exists and two, that that secret is going to come out because then your fund is going to go up. Am I wrong about that? Just my observation. That's wild. Wow. I mean, you just never know what's going to come out next, I swear.

Speaking of what's coming next, so much more to come on UAP. A lot of stuff lined up for this week, the next week, the week after, speaking to a lot of people behind the scenes. So I'm looking forward to hopefully having a lot more great conversations and, of course, covering everything else happening in the crazy world of UAP as it goes down, like stuff like this. I didn't expect to see that story today. But here we are.

And I would be remiss if I didn't mention what could come from Representative Anna Paulina Luna's press conference at 3 o'clock today on February 11th. And to be fair, I want to say that because whatever that might be, it's important for me to note that this episode you're listening to right now came out before that press conference at 3 o'clock on this day of February 11th. So whatever that is, if it connects to the story I was just talking about with the reverse. engineer tech and the funds going toward it or anything else that might be outside of that, but having to do UAP related. Whatever that thing is, I'll cover that as well in the next episode of UAP. I just wanted to note, if you're wondering why I hadn't brought that up, it's because as I'm making this, that press conference has not happened yet.

So I will touch on it once it actually comes out. So stay tuned because you never know what's going to happen next, but I am excited to bring it to you. I do have some things up my sleeve, but just waiting for some confirmations on that. And also an announcement coming, I will say this, an announcement coming on a new project that I'm working on. There is a date tentatively set on this for this new project. I'll let you know what that is.

I'm excited for it. I will be up front and say it's going to be a ton of work. So I'm hoping I can do a good job on it. And I'm hoping I can stick to a schedule that I've made for myself to have this new project done and out to you. I think it's important. the conversations that are going to be taking place in this. And I think it's going to at least help my goal anyways

to hopefully help move the needle a little bit more in the disclosure conversation with this new project I'm working on a side project. I guess you can call it a side project from UAP, but it's still under the same UAP umbrella. But I'll let you know more about that in the coming days as well. So definitely to follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850, especially on X as well.

I'm out a lot on Twitter there on and also on TikTok I put some things up. And YouTube, you can follow along as well there too because I put some things up when I can trickle there in on YouTube. It's at UA podcast on YouTube. There's no 850 there at UA podcast just on YouTube. Outside of that, you can also send me an email if you like. I know a lot of you like to do that. If you'd rather reach out to me directly through email instead of social media, either way works for me. I will get back to you.

Can't promise it's going to be right away or within a week, but I will get back to you one way or another. So if you prefer email, it's S-D-N-R-U-A-A-G-M-A-G-M-A-G-M-A-S-D-D-I-N-R-U-A-P at g-Mail. If you'd like to reach me directly there with anything that's on your mind. But I'm definitely going to keep an eye on this ETF thing with this Tuttle Capital. That's incredible stuff. There's going to be a lot to that. I wonder how much attention is going to gain. But anyway, I'll keep an eye on that because that is, that is really wild. It almost seems like a revelation in itself, doesn't it. Now, all right, I'm getting caught up here. So I'll talk to you again next time here on UAP. Like I said, follow along, social media, continue to download, subscribe to the show,

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