UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 112 The Nick Pope Perspective - Luna's Task Force & Area 51 Earthquakes

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

Famous UFO commentator and former British MOD investigator, Nick Pope, joins Stephen Diener once again on UAP to discuss the establishment of Rep. Anna Paulina Luna's new Task Force to uncover government secrets. Plus, what does he really think about these recent earthquakes near Area 51...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's been a couple months since Nick was able to appear on the show. I think the last time we spoke was around November-ish, I believe. I could be wrong, but that's just off the top of my head somewhere around the holidays. So happy to have Nick back since then because so much has happened over the past few months, specifically concerning the organizing the establishment of the task force, head by Representative Anapolino Luna in association or in partnership with James Comer, Representative James Comer, and both of them being a part of the House Oversight Committee. I know Eric Burleson, Representative from Missouri, is also going to be on that task force in order to bring about the truth surrounding government secrets.

And of course, UFOs and USOs unidentified submerged objects were both mentioned by Anna Polina Luna during her press conference establishing this task force. So this is something that is new. This is something that we, you know, maybe have never seen before. But I'm going to talk about all that with Nick Pope. I'll ask him those questions, get his opinion on, you know, know, the overall appearance of this, their mission, have we seen something of this caliber before? And I think he'll have some pretty good answers. So we're going to get into all that. Also something that he wrote about Area 51 recently, which kind of caused a stir on social media.

So I'm going to let him explain his tweet about Area 51. And I'm also going to get his thoughts a little bit more on the drone situation in Trump's, President Trump's statement concerning the drone situation that, you know, was authoritative. by the FAA and all that. So some of those things that I haven't got to speak to Nick about, I was happy to be able to talk to him about all those things today on UAP. So that really sets the table. The interview speaks for itself. So I won't delay any more. I'll bring it to you right now. So enjoy it all right here right now, myself with Nick Pope right here on UAP. And just like that, he's back. Welcome back to Nick Pope. Really excited to have him back here on UAP. Nick, thanks so much for coming back on to UAP.

No problem. Good to be on the show. Yeah, absolutely. And just to put this out there, because I want to publicly give you credit, Nick, you're doing this on short notice. I mean, I literally called you like maybe two hours ago. And you said, sure, let's do it. So thank you for that. Very gracious of you to come on here short notice today. No problem. I was just, I left the cell phone in the study. I was walking past, heard it ring, saw your name and thought, okay, I'll take this. And here. we are. I appreciate that because normally, like if my wife sees my name, she just walks by the phone and says, now forget it. So I'm glad somebody picks up for me when they see my name. So, no, excited to have you on today. I want to ask you first about obviously the big news. And this is one of the things that's really been on my mind as well as the UFO community when it comes to the new task force. We have a new task force now with Anna Polina Luda, head by her, of course, representative here in Florida. And Eric Burleson is part of this. She's heading it with James Comer, all part of the House Oversight Committee.

So first, before we kind of get into the weeds on that, just your overall thought when you saw that news come out, when you saw that press conference, what were some of the first thing that popped into your mind when you saw the announcement of this task force to uncover government secrets? I was very pleased to see it, but I confess, I did think they are taking on a lot of different sub-documented.

And, you know, to have to cover not only UAP, but also COVID origins, the Epstein client list, JFK, RFK, MLK, there's a lot to get into. I mean, each of those subjects is pretty meaty in its own right. So I guess my only concern is that they might be spread a little thin on this. And also, of course, there are questions about how this is going to interface with the congressional engagement we already have on UAP across a range of committees in not just the House, but the Senate too. Now, you know, these are questions that still have to be answered, of course, but is some of that work to evaluate whistleblowers going to stop or be put on hold? is Anna Paulina Luna's committee going to take the lead on that? I guess all this is going to come out in the wash,

but that's what struck me when I saw this. Yeah, and it's a good thought because that is something, you know, absolutely noteworthy as far as, you know, we pay attention to UFOs, right? We hear that they're going to look into the secrets regarding UFOs and USOs, by the way, which I thought was really interesting that they named USOs, you know, specifically, of course, unidentified submerged objects, but also to add in, you know, everything else that a lot of people want to hear about with JFK, that, you know, all the things that you mentioned in COVID and the Epstein list and all

these different things that really, you know, a team of investigators could just focus on that one thing. So I guess what I wonder is, how do you see this going on the UFO side of things? I mean, I know it may be unfair to ask you, like, what do you think they're going to focus on first? But do you see this being like the big thing that they try to go after first or is it more probably JFK in that arena? Well, my reading of it was that they were going to take JFK first. Yeah. And I mean, I think, you know, just the throwaway remark that Representative Luna made where she said the indications now were that there were two.

shooters. I kind of almost did a double take. Did I hear that correctly? Because that overturns the official narrative that stood so far as the government's concerned for decades. And yet this throwaway remark seems to have generated in one way surprisingly little media coverage. Maybe that's because there's just so much else going on with the new administration. Maybe it's because this is now regarded you know, something consigned to history just because of the time that's elapsed. But to me, it was an absolute bombshell that she used the phrase two shooters in terms of the way that they were leaning on that. But I think the pressure will be on to look at UAP and USOs, as you say, next.

And, you know, there's one easy way, I think, to go off. to this and it's to sort of say, look, let's forget all the kind of intricate questions about this case or that whistleblower. Let's just ask a yes, no question. Are there or are there not these legacy programs that exist that, if exposed, would prove the existence of a non-human intelligence. Some of the whistleblowers have testified, of course, to that, you know, very matter under oath to Congress, but it's binary. It's either there is this smoking gun or there isn't. And I think if the task force just concentrates on answering that single question, that is maybe the best way to do it. There's one other point that I should make is that

another unknown with all this is how this might tie into the appointment of a so-called UFO Tsar if we are to get that. Now, I think I've heard a little bit of a buzz about that. I supported that move, but now I wonder whether it might cut across the work that Anapolina Luna and the task force are doing because you don't want too many people in charge of this. That's always a recipe for disaster. You don't want to make another bureaucracy when the whole point of a lot of things that this new administration is doing, you know, whether it's President Trump through executive orders or whether it's Elon Musk through Doge, a lot of what we're seeing now is the very welcome simplification of government. Right, right. And so I think you make a good point

because, you know, do they go down that route? You've heard names before about like, Elizando or David Grush or all the different names that have put out there as far as a UAP czar. Now, it might end up being like a situation of too many, you know, cooks in the kitchen type thing. So maybe, I don't know, does it seem like that might fall to the wayside? Just in your opinion, just, you know, from an observational standpoint right now. Yes, I think it will. I mean, really if a UFO czar is appointed and there are some attractive things about that. But I think it would somewhat pull the rug out from Napoleon Luna's feet.

And it would send the message that somebody else is going to be looking over your shoulder, perhaps duplicating work that she and her task force are going to be doing. So I think perhaps we should park the idea of a UFO czar for now and put our faith in this new task force to really take the lead across government. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names

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Do you see this being similar to something that you did on the Ministry of Defense side? I mean, how do you see this tying into your own experiences? Not so much. to be frank. I think that what we're seeing with the task force would be more akin to if we had had a parliamentary investigation in the United Kingdom. Because this is more about oversight of the executive, of certainly things that it's alleged that DOD and the intelligence community may be involved in. So the read across to what I did is more along the lines of the old U.S. Air Force program Project Blue Book. But this new task force is political oversight of those sorts of jobs.

Which we've never really seen before, right? I mean, correct me from wrong, but I don't remember seeing this, at least on the U.S. government side, to have an oversight committee come out and say, we are focusing on these secrets specifically to get answers. Yeah, I mean, in theory, this should get to the heart of what oversight is. But you're right. I mean, this is quite without precedent in terms of its scope and in terms of the sensitivity and the public interest of the subjects that they're looking into here. There's never been anything quite like it. But I hope, I mean, of course, this is another really important question. Will this task force? be given the tools to do the job. And I think there are two questions here. The first relates to power of subpoena. And this was interesting because this came up in the Q&A after the press release.

And somebody asked, will you have power of subpoena? As I understand it, the answer is no, but James Comer, as chairman of the oversight Committee already has that power and has said that he will discuss that with Representative Luna and they will give it if it is needed. So that was one interesting issue, subpoena. The second interesting issue is just the degree of access that they will have. Now, the letters have gone out, of course, to DoD and the intelligence community and others, but the question arises, will they have, for example, access to special access programs?

The answer to that is yes, but the answer will they have access to unacknowledged special access programs? That has yet to be clarified because at present, of course, those are generally only revealed to the so-called gang of eight. Now, that's a conversation again that may have to be had. But so those two questions, subpoena and whether it's unacknowledged SAP or just acknowledged SAP. That's still all to play for, I think. Yeah, it's really interesting, actually. And to that point, I wonder because what, look, let's face it, you've seen it,

the UFO community sometimes can be pretty jaded, right? I mean, you see what people write on social media. We see people's reactions, whether it's to a new whistleblower, a new witness, a new story. some type of new accounts, whatever it might be, a lot of times that is met with skepticism. Now, there's nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, but sometimes it can be a little bit more than that. So what ends up happening is a lot of people end up getting jaded in some cases. But it looks like with this, it seems like, I mean, like we said, this is kind of an unprecedented move by the U.S. government to actually come up with a task force to tackle these things. these different secrets that, you know, whether it's JFK, UFOs, COVID, Epstein list, whatever it might be,

that they're going to look into and uncover to tell people about. So when we look at that versus the jaded community, should people be excited about this? Or do you feel like it's just going to end up being a lot of stonewalling and same old, same old? People should be excited. But again, it depends. I can't predict how this. will unfold and it may be that some of the road blocks or some of the potential obstacles that

we've just mentioned like power of subpoena whether they do get it or or access to usap those could still be stumbling blocks here so yeah i would get excited but i would always temper that excitement with realism because as you say although this is a new move. There have been plenty of other initiatives which sounded very promising over the years, and we always get this impression. Some people in the UFO community that disclosure is just around the corner, yet it always seems to be tantalizingly just out of reach. So, yeah, we still have to see how this will play out. But I think people should give this their support. And as I say, I think we should be mindful of this Gordian knot solution,

that it looks very, very complicated, but sometimes instead of trying to untangle the knot, just cutting through it is the strategy. And of course, this second term of President Trump, particularly with Elon Musk in this Doge role, is the perfect opportunity to take this Gordian knot approach to the whole subject of UAP, and I hope that's what will happen. Yeah, and it's funny we bring that up because, you know, one of the things that they've talked about as far as what Elon Musk is doing and auditing the federal government and things like that,

they've talked about looking into the Pentagon. And I couldn't help but to think about a lot of the things that remain secret in the Pentagon on when it comes to the UAP side of things. Do you think we're going to find anything out there if and when, you know, and Elon and his in his department of government efficiency, get towards looking into the Pentagon? We might, yes. And I think Elon Musk's approach is really, really interesting because he is kind of coming at it from a sort of left field idea. Traditionally, what we've done with these sorts of oversight and kind of efficiency, fraud

reduction initiatives, whatever it is, is we've focused on a particular program. And then we've tried to sort of follow it back and say, who authorized this? How much has it cost? Is it delivering value for money? Elon Musk is doing it the other way around. He's cutting a lot of bureaucracy. And then he's following the threads and actually turning up programs that nobody realized that the American taxpayer was funding. He didn't find all these obscure kind of politically correct.

aid projects, you know, in other countries or whatever. He just cut the money or at least threatened to do that, threatened to kind of cut the posts, and then discovered where some of this was going. So maybe a similar approach in the Pentagon and with the UAP will result in what the UFO community have been hoping for, that we will find this program, not because somebody's found the program, but because somebody's cut off the money or cut the posts

and suddenly you can't deliver the outputs. And somebody starts screaming, hey, I can't do my job. They ask what job? And it's like, well, I'm managing the, you know, the crash ships and the, the NIH. Yeah, it's really something because that actually kind of took place to, you know, a lesser extent maybe when it comes to the JFK files.

And I bring that up because, going back to the task force from Annapolina Luna, when she mentioned the JFK files the next day, we find out that just magically, Nick, just magically there's 14,000 missing pages from the JFK files that were supposed to be turned in in 1992 that were never archived and now just being seen for the first time by investigators and the such. And now that's,

seems like a move. This is just my observation. You can, you can agree or disagree, but that seems like a move from people behind the scenes to say, let's get out in front of this before they find it. And if that's the case, are we going to see something like that with UAP files when it comes time? All of a sudden, these missing files come out to say, let's get out in front of this before they find it. Yeah, I think so. I hope so. And on the JFK story, I guess we've had the magic bullet. Now these are the magic files or files that they've magically found after all those years. Well, you know, part of the job, of course, now is going through all that because the best place to hide a tree is in a forest. The best place to hide a book is in a library. So, and again, this goes back to another

important question about the task force is manpower because someone's got to go through all this. You know, I'm pretty sure a lot of this isn't digitized. Um, you know, you know, And even if it is, and even if you use AI, I think it's still going to take a human touch to find something which really leads you to that aha moment. But I think you're right about what's going on here. I think everyone who works for the federal government now knows that they are on notice, if not literally, as some are, then certainly metaphorically. And I think there is a realization that these people thought they were fireproof. And I think there's been a realization on the part of a lot of people that they're not. Nobody is safe if they are not doing their job properly or if they're doing something which is being done without proper oversight or even if they're doing something literally illegal.

And I think your comment about people trying to get out in front of this is absolutely on point. I think with those files, even if they were deliberately hidden, someone has said, I would rather be the person who found them, even if that's found in kind of single quotation marks, than the person who got caught hiding them. So, yeah, absolutely. There's a read across. Is somebody somewhere going to suddenly find and then reveal and declare files on UAP? and maybe even the smoking gun of an NHI presence, undeniable. It's exciting. It really is exciting times to just kind of think about, you know, what the possibilities are with something like this.

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before we move on real quick to a couple of other things. With the recent development and the recent confirmation of Tulsi Gabbard to become the Director of National Intelligence, I wonder, just in your estimation, how that might play in that connection, and I bring her up specifically, not because it's Director of National Intelligence, that alone is big enough.

But we're talking about someone in Tulsi Gabbard who mentioned, specifically all of the things that Anna Paulina Luna mentioned in her press conference for the task force. Tulsi Gabbard mentioned it in her opening statement at her confirmation hearings, whether it was the COVID files, the Epstein files, UFOs, USOs, JFK. They mentioned everything lock and step and it was a couple weeks apart. So I'm wondering, is this a coordination that was behind the scenes that now we're going to see play out on, on, on, the stage that now everybody's in place? I think it is. I mean, clearly these people do talk to each other and at the very least they are aware of what each other are doing and everyone

knows that they have to be on message in this new administration. And I think it does all come back to this new administration. This new administration is populist. It is maverick. And, it is moving very quickly and without all the usual sort of caution and inertia that you see from, you know, administrations who just get bogged down in the bureaucracy. So we've got now, I think, the perfect storm. So I think that is a very significant appointment. And, you know, obviously we're still literally in the first few weeks of President Trump. second term. But now that all the appointments are firming up, now that everything is kind of moving forward at a good pace, I think we're going to see some really exciting developments.

Yeah. It's a lot to look out for. And I'll even mention someone like Cash Patel. Now, that one's still up in the air. But he's someone who's also mentioned, you know, disclosure and putting out the secrets. And he's up for director of the FBI. So we'll see. Yes. Now, that may not be as important an appointment as Director of National Intelligence when it comes to UAP, but we'll see. I think the key appointments are DNI and SAC-DF here. But having said that, if you're fighting 80 years of denial and cover up and inertia, maybe it will still take a specific UAP-related executive order from President Trump, not only releasing anyone involved in these legacy programs from their NDAs,

but going a step further and actually ordering them as commander-in-chief to come forward and disclose this. Wow. That would be something. Holy cow. we'll see if that takes place. And actually on the note, it's a perfect segue because there were a lot of disappointed people, quite frankly. And I was one of them because we heard on President Trump's first night in office, literally his first night in office as he sat there in the Oval and spoke to reporters and was signing executive orders.

He said to his chief of staff, Susie Wiles, let's find out about the drones. Let's do that immediately so we can tell people what's going on. And then a couple weeks later, Caroline Leavitt, the new press secretary, comes out in her first press conference in her first, you know, briefing and says, here's a statement from President Trump about the drones. It was FAA authorized. It was research and other various activities. Now, for anybody who's been paying attention, Nick, like, I know you have and I have, and many of the other people that I've spoken to here on the show, we all know that it just, it doesn't match up with some of the facts of the case. So I wonder, what was your reaction and what is your take now that were a couple weeks removed from that statement when it comes to the drone situation? That statement was surprising to me, yes. And I suspect it is something they will have to circle back to.

And it may be that they have to take that as a subset of the work that the task force is going to do. But I don't think we should get too hung up on it because, like I say, the problem with this is that this subject is too big and too sort of spread thinly across a whole range of stories and allegations. So, yeah, the whole drone incursion story is interesting. But let's not die on that particular hill. Let's kind of just accept that, move on and say that the bigger picture, is UAP as a whole, whereas I say there is this binary question, you know, do we have a smoking gun or don't we? And I think that's what the task force should be concentrating on. Yeah. Very exciting to see what they come up with and what is allowed to come out.

I mean, that's the whole point about they're saying they're going to let everybody know, you know, when it comes to the secrets they uncover. It's literally the reason for the task force to uncover government secrets and bring transparency to the American people. But we both know that the bureaucracy within the government that has been behind all these things is not going to go down quietly. So what kind of government response do you see from this, Nick? I mean, just the infighting that could take place. Yeah, I think lots of different pressures pulling different directions, as you say,

you know, obviously there are entrenched interests and the bureaucracy, the civil service, the deep state, if I can use that phrase, may not go down quietly on this. And obviously, if they have kept this secret for nearly 80 years, they're darned good at it. So it won't necessarily be easy. But then, you know, to paraphrase JFK, appropriately enough, you know, we do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. We shouldn't be afraid to take on these difficult jobs. And by all accounts, this new administration is not afraid to do this. And if any president can do it, if any administration can do it, it is this populist maverick administration that we have now.

And I didn't really want to quote Mark Zuckerberg on this, but wasn't it one of the original Facebook kind of credos where they said move quickly and break things? Yeah. So maybe that's the environment that we're in. And plus, as I say, a lot of people like with these files they suddenly found, a lot of people might suddenly kind of have this wake up moment that it's better to be on the right side here. We might see some people, figuratively speaking, crossing the aisle on this one. Yeah, and that's the hope. And we see that sometimes, right? Whether, you know, you have like Jared Moskowitz, who's a Democrat, Robert Garcia, people like that who have, you know, kind of work bipartisan.

And that's the goal, too, with the task force, at least according to what, you know, Representative Luna was saying. Yeah, so we may well see some gamekeepers becoming poachers. Nice. A lot of developments yet to be seen here. So we've only just begun this conversation. Before we do go today here, Nick, because I know we don't have a whole lot of time, but I always appreciate the time we do get to spend. You caused, well, I'll put it this way. The reports of small earthquake, 2.8 earthquake over by the Area 51 area of New Mexico. And I'm just going to read this, if you don't mind. where Nick Pope on X on Twitter writes, The craft is waking up right on schedule. Intelligence community whistleblowers told Congress they're coming. So scientists use James Webb Telescope to search for something approaching Earth, but they were looking in the wrong place.

They're already here. The countdown has begun. And I must say when you wrote that, I think that tweet caused more of an earthquake than the actual Earth quick. It took place near Area 51. So I will let you expound on that and kind of explain where that was coming from on your end. Yeah, I'd just woken up. I saw a tweet about this Area 51 area earthquake, and I just thought with my tongue slightly in my cheek that I would write something in the style of a, you know, a dramatic trailer to a science fiction movie, you know, in that in that voice that

you always hear in a world where, so you're going to read the tweet in that voice. But yeah, and I thought I would have a little bit of fun with it. Obviously, you know, it was kind of parody. That being said, it is based on some of the chatter that you hear from, if not the whistleblower, then certainly people maybe one step removed from those whistleblowers who doubtless have their ear. So, so yeah, I made it up as a bit of fun, but who knows? Maybe it has its roots in something a little bit more tangible. I think that's a good way to put it.

We've all heard the reports about what might be underground over there. So you never know. Nick, thanks so much for coming on here to UAP again, especially on short notice. Was there anything else that you'd like to add? I mean, the floor is yours. If you'd like to add anything else as far as what? We covered here today or any events you have coming up? Well, we are about to resume the Ancient Aliens Live tour.

We've done somewhere like 80 shows all around the United States in the last two, three years. Nice. We've got 13 more shows scheduled for this spring, more to come later this year. So ancient aliens live tour.com for that. come and see us in person. And the other thing is, which is developing and creating a few waves at the moment, is my latest film is not about UAP at all, but it is about the response to the COVID pandemic.

And it's called Apocalypse COVID. And I've just done a couple of big interviews on it. There was a feature that came out on Sky News Australia. And just yesterday, Fox News contributor Sarah Carter, who you know, and we've all hung out together, I think, backstage at one of the ancient aliens live shows in Fort Lauderdale. That's right. Sarah Carter interviewed me about Apocalypse COVID, which delves into all the things that went wrong with the pandemic response, all the government overreach, all the failed mandate. that A, didn't work and B, set civil liberties back a generation, and C, of course, as we're still finding out, tremendously adversely affected kids' education in ways that are even now not yet

fully understood, but it's likely going to be much worse than we thought because of all the ridiculous school closures. So Apocalypse COVID is my latest project. It's a little bit, some people might regard it as a little off topic, but of course, in a way, it isn't because COVID origins is certainly going to be looked at by the task force along with UAP. And I'm sure you and everyone watching remembers how just a couple of years ago, even mentioning the phrase lab leak, got you labeled as a crazy conspiracy theorist. And yet now, of course, parts of the US intelligence community, most recently the CIA, have said that it is far more likely in their assessment to have been a lab leak than natural zoonotic emergence. So, you know, with people talking about

a possible bird flu pandemic coming, if we're not going to learn the lessons of the last pandemic, we are certainly going to be very ill prepared for the next one. And we need, you know, obviously the public trust in public health authorities is completely shattered. We need to kind of restore that, but we won't restore it if we don't have an open and honest conversation about what went wrong in COVID. And apologies for all the people who basically stole two years of our lives with their masks and their lockdowns and their school closures and their vaccine mandates and all. of that. So Apocalypse COVID is very controversial. Our first distributor pulled out. Some platforms are still

not hosting it. It is on Amazon.com, but not yet in all territories. So it's a battle even now against the censorship on this. But yeah, so Apocalypse COVID, I put a lot of effort into that. Well, no, that's great. Good for you. I mean, that's, you know, it sounds like a passion project, and something that you worked hard on. So good for you for making it happen. Hopefully, hopefully, you know,

you don't get censored. I mean, you put a lot of work into it. Hopefully, you know, you're able to get it out there to all the different channels. Yeah,

I mean, it's a 12,000 word script. I wrote the whole thing. My wife, who's a professor, actually did a lot of the fact-checking on the science, but everything had to be,

you know, something that you could tie back to primary sources. So although in some senses, some might regard it as as radical, every single fact is tied into scientific studies that have been published in the Lancet, academic studies from bodies like Cochran, from the James Roundtree Foundation, from bodies like O'DNI, of course, on the whole lab. leak question and the Department of Education in the UK on the statistical ineffectiveness of cloth masks, for example. Everything, you know, because this is a subject that arouses so many passions, everything has to be something that people can fact check. So it was a lot of work, like I say,

12,000 words script. I had to go into the studio, narrate the entire thing myself, the, the film company, like I say, the first distributor bailed. They were one of the big five. And yet they had a corporate risk assessment meeting where they decided that they couldn't move forward with this. So it's been a struggle. It's still as a struggle. Wow, that's wild. Well, hopefully everything shakes out for you because you know, you put in that much work to it into a project like that, then you absolutely deserve to have it work out. So all the best on it. And it's, Let us know. Keep us updated to see if you got it to where you wanted to be, because that is a lot. We'll do. Thank you.

Yeah. Well, and thank you again, Nick, for coming on here for discussing all this. Always a great time to have you on UAP. And I'm sure we'll be talking again in the future because there's a lot to come up. We've really only just begun as we kind of gone into a, I think, a new stage when it comes to the UAP discussion. So thanks again. Thank you. So there he is again. And thank you again to Nick Pope. I did mention it during the beginning of our conversation, but truthfully, he did just come on

on a moment's notice. So that's really awesome of him. Number one, he didn't have to pick up my call. And number two, he could have just said, no, I'm busy. But he did pick up my call, and he made time to come on here today to talk about these things. And I really, really appreciate that because I thought I was really just wanted to get his perspective. Sure, I could have jumped on and, you know, talked about it on my own.

But I really thought it would be better served. This conversation would be better served if I was able to. to discuss it with Nick Pope. And I think that really, really worked out well. So thanks again to him. Hopefully you enjoyed it as much as I did. And of course, on the COVID discussion, that's up to you. I'm not here to have that discussion.

You know, that's Nick's project. And I had him, you know, talk about any projects that he's working on. That's something that is important to him. That's a passion project to him. He's trying to get that out there. So by all means, if that's his project and that's what he wanted to talk about, that I'm not going to censor him. How hypocritical would that be of me with me saying, I hope he doesn't get censored because he worked really hard on it.

Then I would go ahead and censor it myself. I'm not about censoring here. You can agree or disagree with what he was saying there. That's completely up to you. But that's something that was important to him that he's working on. So, of course, he's welcome to talk about his projects here on the show. Aside from that, I will actually disagree with one thing that I wanted to mention. And I didn't want to do it during the conversation because I wanted to keep the conversation moving forward while I was talking to him.

But he did mention as far as President Trump's statement on the drones. The only thing that I will disagree with on that would be, I don't think, anyway, just my view here that I don't think it's a small thing to gloss over. I really don't. I know maybe some people are tired of hearing about it or maybe, you know, in his words, some people think, let's just move on and look at the bigger picture. I understand that, and it's not necessarily incorrect, but I do think that. that there is something there that is extremely strange, extremely concerning as to why they would put out false information toward it. And I just can't help but to wonder why. It's just completely uncharacteristic. Given everything else that's been going on so far, I mean, it's all been in

your face. And that one is just clearly, clearly not true. So it's just, to me, it's stuck in my head. I'm sorry I keep bringing it up and, you know, maybe it is something that I should just leave alone or wait until there's more developments on it, but I can't help but to continue to think about how strange and, you know, off character, something like that was, the statement that they put out on the drones being FAA authorized and all these different things when, again, clearly there's just so much that we can point to to show that that is not the case. But they went and decided to make that statement and frame it that way. and now it seems like no one's really bringing in up anymore, even though they're still being seen, clearly, from the guests that I've had on recently. So that part I will disagree on, just my two cents. I do think it's a big deal, but all good either way,

because there's a lot of things that are a big deal right now when it comes to this conversation. I do think that a lot of these things connect, and we'll see what comes out from this new task force, like we were talking about during our conversation there, you know, for anybody who's jaded and say, well, I've seen it all before and I don't expect anything new with this. Let's just wait and see.

I don't want to judge anything before it happens. This is a new situation. These are new players in this situation when it comes to the people running the task force and, you know, how committed they seem to be, especially with someone like Annapolina Luna. She seems to be very outwardly committed going out of her way to go and, you know, tweet out different things to talk about who she's speaking with, what's their mission, what are trying to get out there first. So let's just hold judgment on that. I know I understand why people would be cynical, but my view is let's see how this works out. Let's see how it shakes out the

conversations that happen, the information that comes out. And hopefully we do get some different results and hopefully it's not more of the same. I am excited about this. A few people have asked me my thoughts on it and just to put my two cents in. I am excited. I'm excited at the prospects of what this could turn into. But I think the main thing is to Nick's point when we were talking is to you can be excited, be excited at the prospects, what this can mean and what they're going to investigate, but also to temper the expectations. So you can be excited while tempering expectations.

And I think that's where I'm at with the task force is, yes, I absolutely am excited about it. I think it's great. It's awesome to see people stick their neck out and put themselves. out there to try to uncover these secrets to create transparency. How nice would that be when it comes to all these different subjects? So I love it. I'm actually very excited about it.

But at the same time, I'm also temporary expectations knowing how some of these things work and how hard people work to keep these things a secret. So there is no transparency. So again, we'll wait and see how it plays out. I think that is the best way to go about this. But a lot of other things coming up here on UAP, in fact, possibly even speaking with some of the congressmen who are involved with this task force later on in the coming days and weeks of UAP. So I'll keep you updated on that. Some conversations happening behind the scenes when it comes to trying to get some representatives on the show here.

So I'll keep you updated. And I think it's going to work out. but I'll let you know what's happening and who those representatives are from Congress that might be appearing here on UAP in the near future. And some pretty exciting stuff to come as well in the next couple of weeks that I will keep you updated on. I don't want to give away too much on it yet because I'm still a little bit weary about dates and times and things like that. But just know that I'm working on a whole ton behind the scenes to bring you a lot of good stuff. and, of course, all the latest perspective on what's happening in the wild and crazy world of UAPs.

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