UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 114 A Living UFO? Part 2 The Near Death Experience Connection

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

As Stephen Diener concludes his conversation with Air Force veteran and UFO experiencer, Scott Gearen, they continue to search for explanations behind the "craft" Scott saw during his three hour long sighting. And we discover what role his near death experience may have played in connection to this unique story...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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your flight ends and vacation begins. Hawaii starts here. Yes, welcome back into UAP. Stephen Dean, are back with you here. as always, on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast for episode 114. As we finish off my conversation here with Scott Garan, the Air Force veteran UFO experiencer who really just has such incredible perspective and maybe one of the most unique sighting stories I've ever heard in my life,

if I'm being honest, just because of the sheer volume, the time of which his sighting was, which if you missed in part one when we went over that, I mean, his sighting lasted for over three hours, which I've never heard of before. And he even mentioned the people he spoke with at Mufon, never heard of something like that before. So looking forward to presenting to you part two here today for episode 114 as he and I finish out this discussion. And we pick up right where we left off in part one where he was describing the UFO that he saw or, I mean, that's probably the best way to put a UFO, whatever it was, whatever it might have been. And he was describing kind of the way it was moving or wasn't. moving and as we start off part two, we jump back into the conversation where I ask him,

you know, what else could this have been? So we go over some of the other options, whether on the, you know, phenomenon side or on the maybe explainable side. And we go over a couple of those things. But he also elaborates on what Mufon told him. This woman, Sabrina, you're going to hear her name come up a couple of times during the episode is Sabrina is the person when he refers to her. she's the representative from Mufon that Scott has been dealing with and she's been helping him with his case. And he goes into that, you know, and I found that really, really something kind of striking actually what the representatives at Mufon told him about his sighting and the pictures that he sent to them. And what happened from there? It's made me shake my head actually.

So that's where we start off in this part two. And then we kind of go into what role does the Air Force play? in maybe keeping disclosure, you know, maybe on the outside showing that they are advocates for disclosure, but could it be behind the scenes that they are maybe one of the driving forces towards not having disclosure? And that could be debated. So I ask Scott about that. And then we get into some of the other aspects as far as the spiritual side.

Could that play a part in what he saw? And does it relate to his near-death experience? Yes, Scott had really an incredible story about a near-death experience that he had over 30 years ago. And he kind of ponderes on that. We both speculate on whether or not that experience he had over 30 years ago may have played a part, possibly, in what he saw just back in 2019. So we kind of try to connect all the dots here. Gets a little deep, but I always enjoy doing that. And hopefully you do as well as part of this conversation.

So we put it all together here in part two, but that's all the preview I'll give for now and setting the table for the rest of this conversation. And be sure to stick around, as always, for after the conversation is over, I'll jump back on with some final thoughts. And some interesting news regarding Hollywood and UFOs. If you haven't heard about what's going on there, some pretty eyebrow-raising news,

maybe is the way I'll put it, about a production that is supposedly in the work. and looks like it's going to get made. So some news and notes there, some final thoughts on this interview with Scott Garon, but for now, here is the rest of the conversation. Part two, myself with Scott Garon right here on UAP. Enjoy. And then on the other subject, as far as, you know,

because we try to look at the prosaic explanations, what could it be, what could easily explain this away? It doesn't seem like we can really land on any of those. So what about some of the, I guess, whatever you can mention, obviously, but some of the more clandestine things that you think maybe this could have been some type of black budget experiment. Because there are Air Force bases

in that area of the Panhandle. You and I both, you know, Floridians, we know the geography and what's around here. So, you know, knowing the panhandle, there are different bases within the vicinity of where you were, right? So, I mean, could this have been some type of experimental aircraft?

And did you get any word or, you know, inclination of that when you were asking those questions? You know, it certainly could. There's known bases and unknown bases throughout the country. There are projects that are conducted that, obviously things for national security that we don't need to know about, that we don't have a need to know,

and probably would never know what they are. It's possible that that could have been something that was conducted by a secret organization, whether it was a black project. I don't know. I have no real connection or way of knowing if that's what it was. We read speculation about those things every day in the news and reports and on X. Some of that and the questions you asked me a little bit go back to when I first took the pictures and downloaded them from the camera, zoomed in on them and could see,

whoa, this is not normal. I don't know what this is. It kind of scared me at first. Looking at it like, what the hell is this thing? What my thoughts were, well, like you're saying, all these military bases and whatnot around, maybe there was something to it. So I thought, well, if it is a project that's a secret project of some level that they're conducting this out here, and I happened to see it and take pictures.

I don't want to share them with anybody, not just anybody, you know. Especially if it's something secret. You know, I was in the military. I had top secret clearance that contract worked, State Department, Homeland Security. I had other jobs that require clearances. So I know, you know, the need for secrecy for things and everybody doesn't need to know. So I didn't want to share the pictures out there. And I didn't know in the beginning.

I didn't know about the organizations with Mufon and whatnot, how to do with the reports. I knew somewhat of them. And then I talked to someone and told them what I'd seen. And they realized they had really excited about it. Not didn't appear that I was making something up. So they said, well, send me the pictures. And they would have them analyzed by an act of duty.

analyst. And I did that. And it was a few weeks later, say, hey, whatever happened, what they say, you know, and they said, well, and they were going to send them to another organization that had a better capability to analyze pictures and things like this. So that right there was my first inclination that this is a trained individual that's trained to look at pictures. If it was a balloon, they would have said, oh, yeah, well, that's just a balloon at that point. They said, but for them to say they don't know what it is, and they're sending them to someone else to examine. So I said, great.

A few more weeks go by, and I'm hounding them a little bit, you know, not every day, but a lot of them. Hey, what do they say? What they say? And finally, word came back, and they said, yeah, I talked to them, and they said, it's a weather balloon. And I was like, what a weather balloon? No way.

It can't be a balloon. No way. I said, well, what about these pictures? They said, oh, they said, oh, yeah, with those pictures that were the round spheres, your camera's got a problem. It's a problem. Your camera's got an anomaly problem.

Oh, boy. The old swamp gas explanation, right? Light reflecting off of Venus. Yeah. So that was the end of me taking it to any type of military authority like that, where I would have said, okay, it's a, if they would have said, yep, listen, this is a secret project. Sign right here, don't ever talk about it, and let me have your pictures.

I would have done it. Which they would for you, right? I mean, as someone with your experience in the Air Force, they would tell you, hey, you came across something, sign this, you can't put it out. Like, they would tell you that, right? They would be up front. I can't say they would or wouldn't. But that was what I was kind of, if it was something, like, okay, if I've captured something that's a secret project, I'm not putting it out there. I'm going to show it to somebody in the military.

If they tell me it's a secret, okay, it's a secret. Here's the pictures. I won't ever talk about it again. But that didn't happen. I got word that it was a weather balloon. And I said, well, if they say it's a weather balloon, then I guess that's not something that's secret and I can't talk about. And I'm going to make some reports than I did to move on and another organization. I can't think of the name of it.

And TTSA at that time and who didn't want the pictures. And I said, well, the reports aren't going anywhere. I'm going to self-publish a book with it with my report. And so that's that's kind of what happened and where we are now. It's really fascinating, Scott. And, you know, I got to ask you, and I don't mean this in a negative way by any means. So I just want to put that out there first. But a lot of people I've spoken to whether military or just investigators or enthusiasts in the subject, a lot of people point to the Air Force being a dream.

driving force in keeping secrecy and keeping the UAP, the UFO subject kind of under a lid, under wraps. Have you experienced that? Do you see that over all the different branches of the military that the Air Force slash Space Force now is kind of like the leading driver in trying to keep this under a certain amount of secrecy? You know, I don't know who.

is the leading control of these programs and keeping the secrecy part secret. And like I said earlier, I certainly believe that there are many things that are probably seen are secret projects and cannot be talked about and we don't have a need to know for them. And I know I've been involved in things

where I didn't have a need to know. And I didn't know. But I mean, if you look at, look in the reports over the years, where have stories come from? You can look back to prior to Blue Book. There was investigations done, and then Blue Book being the well-known investigations into UFOs. It was conducted by the Air Force. They said, well, there's nothing to it. We're closing down this program. And so there didn't appear to be any real government investigations publicly known about until the New York Times article came out in 2017.

And at that point, I think there was something in there that said that there really was some investigations that were continued. They weren't all shut down. And then you got the videos that came out that were speculated or said to be taken, And some of them we know we're taken by Navy fighter pilots. So, I mean, who else and what other agency has come forward and disclosed anything? None. Yeah.

There is none. So who's in control of it? I don't know. And whatever they are, obviously keep a level of secrecy too. We don't always see him. We know they have the ability to cloak them. themselves so they don't want to be seen. So we don't know what's going on.

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What type of effect has this had in you? You know, because like you mentioned earlier, you know, it's something that you grew up with as far as, you know, Star Trek or my favorite Martian, whatever it might be. And then, you know, seeing the rockets go off from the Cape in Florida and being in the same vicinity as a Rendlesham Forest. But it wasn't really something like you said earlier that was a big part of your life.

You weren't actively investigating it. Now that it has become part of your life, how has this affected you since you had this experience in 2019? Initially, like I said, when I first saw what on a, that I was able to zoom in and see what it was, was that feeling, whoa, my God, what is this? What have I taken a picture of? You know, something I'd never seen before. It's kind of a scary feeling. What, what is it, the unknown? I think there's a little bit higher level of anxiety for a while. But it's something that changed a little bit of my, you know, your thinking changes. Your adjust, your paradigm. The way you think about things changes a little bit. being able to discuss things with Sabrina and the things she talks about and she doesn't share

everything with me. She did introduce me to an individual that has had some experiences and was prior Army, prior pilot. But, and I'm not exactly sure his connection with NASA, but he has many pictures, and we've discussed things and things that he's shown me. And we talk about it, you know, it's just, it's been like a little bit of a roller coaster. At some points, I'm a little more consumed with it, wanting to know what it is. But at this point, I think it's more of an even keel. It's not something I'm in control of. I mean, when I say in control of the disclosure of everything, I can have my own interface, my own, my own consciousness, my own abilities to meditate and think about it.

And initially it was more of a high anxiety of what's going on. And it's more of an even keel with it now, but probably not a day. It doesn't go by that at some point I don't think about it. Yeah. You know, whether I'm outside, I'm going to, I'm going to look up. Right. I'm going to walk around looking at my feet all the time. So in that sense, I'm looking.

There is something there. And I just feel confident that I'm going to have more experiences. Interesting. Yeah. You know, a lot of us look around as we walk around, a lot of us are looking in our phones nowadays. So maybe we should try to look up a little bit more often. Definitely. You don't drive.

You know, while people do drive and look at their phones, which is dangerous. But, you know, you got to put the phone down and look where you're going and look up. And then if you see something, take your phone out so you can record it. So that's, that's when you take the phone out. So I am curious because when I was talking, like I mentioned earlier, Jeff Nusateli, who was on the show with me just a couple weeks ago, just fantastic guy, love talking to him, getting his experience and perspective, just like you, love getting your experience and your perspective and all this. and hearing about your individual experiences and sightings.

And he mentioned something that I thought was really striking, where he said to me, and I just want to get your take on this, because it might be completely different in your angle. But he said to me that he knows a lot of people who have seen different things, whether it was you or other people who were stationed at Vandenberg with Jeff, who have come to him over the years

and said, hey, you know, I saw this, you know, X, Y, Z, this night, that night, this year, that year. And he says there's a lot of guys who are waiting in the wings, whether they be actual whistleblowers or witnesses. And he says, they're just waiting to come out. And he said a phrase, and I put this clip on social media because I just thought it was so telling, where he said, I feel like there's a flood coming, where these guys are just going to start one after the other coming out and telling their stories.

Do you experience that same thing? Are you seeing that in the background where that's, you know, that dam is getting ready to break and that flood is coming, or is it a different experience for you? I think a little bit of both of what you mentioned. I don't know anything about whistleblowers or who is a whistleblower. I have no knowledge or anything of that. Somebody maybe have information to come forward with. But there has been a lot of people, some people that I have known for years,

and some people that I've just met, that have shared with me their own experiences. And they've never put them out publicly. They've never made reports to any of the organizations. So I think in that sense, as a flood, there are many, many, many more people that have seen things and witnessed things and had experiences that don't share them publicly because of the stigma that, oh, you must be.

crazy, you know, and you think you've seen a flying saucer or the little green men, you know, I mean, and like I said from my experience, they're not just flying saucers and they're not little green men. There is more to it than that, but I think as far as I just said, a flood, I think there are many, many people that have witnessed things. And maybe there is a certain point that they will come forward and maybe, you know, that could be the flood. You know, I don't know who all Jeff knows in that sense,

but I've experienced some of those same things with many people that I know and don't and I've just met that have shared experiences. And there's a lot out there. Yeah, yeah. I think a lot, you know, we always think, and I think it was kind of a, maybe not everybody, but it was more typical.

We're going to see light flashing. Go out at night and look for them. Well, nighttime, we don't have night vision capability in our eyeballs, so you have to have some special IR-type capability. If you're going to go out at night and look, so look in the day. They're out there. Just like if you go outside now, you look in the sky,

you don't see the stars and the planets and the other things that are out there, but they're there. Look for those little flashes of light out there. And when you see something, you know, investigate it. Look a little bit more into it. Is that an airplane? What is it? What is it I saw?

Interesting. Because you never know. Do you think there was some type of, just again, thinking of different ideas, some type of spiritual aspect to what you saw? Do you think there was any type of, correlation. Did you get that feeling that not only was it otherworldly, but maybe there was even some type of, you know, spiritual, heavenly aspect to what you were seen? I didn't get that overwhelming sense at that point when I was there, you know, it wasn't my, I wasn't even

giving it much more thought than just take some pictures of it because I was focused on my push-ups, rehearsing to my presentation and what was going on. That was the main thing that was on mind. Maybe it was another day when I was out with a camera just walking along and saw it, I might have more of an interaction with it. I did think with there was some type of an interaction or me to even, why would I even have a thought in my mind to wonder, does this thing, whatever it is, know that I'm watching it? You know, why would that thought even come into my head? Does it know I'm taking pictures? So there must have been more going on.

I believe there was more going on than I was aware of in that subconscious level that I just wasn't picking up on. You know, as far as the spiritual aspect of it, I know he didn't touch on it. But I had a near-death experience, you know, 20 years plus prior to that. and that certainly added another dimension to the spiritual feelings that I have about things. So maybe that having had a near-death experience and seeing the beings that I saw and communicated with it during that near-death experience, maybe that did open me up to more awareness of. of some things or are just awareness to have that situation where I was able to witness what I did. Yeah, that's really interesting point.

And I'm going to raise my hand on that one because I meant to ask you about the near-death experience a little while ago. And I've just been so caught up in this side of the conversation. Can we get into that a little bit? Yeah. So that took place, I believe it was a parachuting accident. Am I wrong on that? No, that's correct.

about a parachute accident. And how long ago was this? Well, that was at that, I think it was, I think it was 38 years ago. It was 1987. Okay. And somewhere, give or take.

Yeah. So with that, I mean, because you brought up the correlation that I was thinking about, which was, can a new death experience bring you closer to a phenomenon like this?

So, I mean, when you did have that near death experience, what did you, What did you experience? I mean, did you see the other side, so to speak? And when you came back, what kind of memories did you retain? I had a lot of questions there, but as far as to see the other side, you know, I don't know. I didn't know.

I never knew what the other side was, you know. As a kid, you grow up with Bible stories of afterlife and you go into heaven and your streets paved with gold. You know, I didn't say streets paved with gold as far as that part of the. after life. Maybe that was the next step that I didn't get to. I don't know. But so we did a parachute jump, a military free fall jump. We jumped out at 13,000 feet, free fall down to a predetermined altitude, open up our parachutes at 3,500 feet. And then, you know, under parachutes go the rest of the way to the ground. So in the lift I was on, we had a rotation going because we had a Marine CH-46 helicopter. Our guys we were with, we had, you know, more than could fit in one

load. And so we were rotating the jumps. And on my jump, we jumped out at 13,000 feet. You fall for about 9,000 feet as in a group as you can, wave off. You try to find your own airspace, deploy your parachute. And unfortunately, it was still another jumper in free fall above me. Fallen, you know, terminal velocity is basically 120 miles an hour. Saw my parachute, determined that he was unable to turn away, left or right, so it balled up in a cannonball position, came directly into me at that speed, destroyed the canopy, shattered my skull, knocked me unconscious,

and then so I spiraled the rest of the way about 3,000 feet with whatever parachute material was above me, a couple of cells. There was a rectangular canopy with cells in it versus a round one. And the estimated hitting the ground at about 100 miles an hour. So my memories of that, I remember getting on the helicopter. I remember looking out of the helicopter. I don't remember jumping. And then I remember several days later sort of waking up, coming to in the hospital.

At that point, it was in the ICU. So the moment of impact or in the air, the impact, and then to the ground, which I don't remember consciously. My unconscious is that I felt like I was surrounded by that energy, that white, light feeling people, maybe people talk about the white light. It wasn't a white light that I was going to. I was just completely engulfed, embraced with this soft white light. I didn't feel any pain. I could see my body on the ground. I was above it. I was leaving my body. But it wasn't, so it's kind of confusing. My body's there. So my body is not here as well. It's your consciousness. It's your soul that's leaving your body.

You still kind of have this feeling. I had this feeling that I was in my body, but I wasn't in my body. I knew I wasn't in my body, but I could see it. And I just had this very peaceful, loving feeling, no pain that was surrounding me. But in another area that felt like it was higher and away from me was a very, very, very bright area. Maybe this is what people talk about going to the white light. because it was such a very, very bright lighted area. I don't think it was the light.

I don't know what it was. It was just such so bright there. And in that bright light, I could see three figures there in the light. Now, whether they were hovering there or standing there or whatever it was, I don't know, but I could see three distinct humanoid figures. They had a, it looked like they had like a hoodie on. And it was so bright. I wasn't able to see who it was.

All I could see was the silhouettes. But I knew that they were there for me, and I was going to them. And I turned to them, and I was moving towards them, the telepathic communications. I was wondering, I had a sense that it was, the sense was it was grandparents. It was relatives. It was someone that I knew. And maybe my parents itself, my mom or my dad, I don't know. But I had a sense that I knew them. And I got very, very close to them. And then I heard the voice, it's time to go now. And I had a lot of thoughts pouring into my head of things that I wanted to do, had to do, and realized that I had a choice. I chose. I said, God, I'm not ready to go yet. And I turned away from that light. And then I was instantly, the next thing I knew was waking up there several days later in the hospital. So I think what, you know, in many to many lessons that were poured into me. And that instant, one of them was that we have choices as humans and who we become are based on the choices that we make in life. know some people say well so it's my friend or my mother my father or other family members they didn't come back why did you come back and i said well i can't explain those things i don't know

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You know, just to think about that. And, you know, I can't help but the thing, too, because there's been so many near-death experience stories, I'm sure you've heard a lot on your own that maybe sound a lot like yours. And that's what fascinates me is just with the UFO topic. I mean, the thing that really has gotten me over the years is how people can, going back

thousands of years, how you can read similar accounts from different people, different time periods, different parts of the world, and they all have similar details. And that's what's fascinating me so much with this question, just with the UFO topic. And the same thing fascinates me with a near-death experience phenomenon as well, because, you know, I hear that from you. and I'm like, that's incredible because it sounds like some of the other stories that people talk about, which leads me to believe, and this is a completely different topic and a subject, so I'm sorry to go off the road here, so to speak.

But it kind of makes me think that our memory is more stored in our soul than what we think about as our brain. Like our memory is stored in our consciousness, which we always think about as our brain. But, you know, people always talk about like yourself remembering, and you're that, dear, near-death experience. So how do we remember what we saw after death if our brain is dead? You know what I mean? So that part of it just really gets to me as well.

A lot we don't know. You know, I'm mentioning how over the years it's happened, you can hear stories of physicians that have a complete belief that that's not true. There's nothing to it. There's you know, it's just what people think, you know, and it's not really something that's true. And then after years working in the medical field and emergency departments and surgeries and hearing the experiences that patients that they've been involved with that have technically

died and come back, been brought back to life for whatever reason, and their stories have changed many of these physicians to where they do believe that it's possible. You know, one day I was, I don't know what I was doing, something in the house, there was a TV on, and one of those type shows talking about people near-death experiences or whatever it was. And they were interviewing a woman. And, you know, I was in another room. I wasn't watching it, but I heard her saying. that she heard a voice tell her it's time to go now.

And it was like, boom, instantly took me back there. And I'm like, whoa. And I went out and I was watching, you know, that's because that was exactly what my experience was, it's time to go now. When we talk about all the experiences that you've gone through, whether it's the sighting and we connect it to the near-death experience, you know, and maybe they have a correlation. We don't know. But when we look at everything from that wide angle view,

what do you hope to get out of this as far as answers are concerned? Because, you know, we mentioned we don't know what you saw. We know that it was very different. You know, you can say that you believe it wasn't anything prosaic like we mentioned, a balloon, a hot air balloon, a weather balloon, a plane or a helicopter. So what do you hope to get out of this as far as answers are concerned? Or do you feel like you've already gotten everything that you're supposed to get out of it? You know, I don't, that's kind of what I was going to say.

I don't think I've gotten everything. There's always you're going to learn more and receive more. But I don't dwell on that. It's not something that worries me. Like, you've got to have this immediate disclosure, people that are clamoring for disclosure. They have to know, they have to know what it is. And certainly I'd like to know what it is and find out that. but I think that I have received some of those answers inside.

I know my own beliefs. I know from my near-death experience and what I experienced there and what some of the afterlife. And then to have experience an interaction with an unknown, what I like to know, sure, like everybody else. What do you think those answers are? I think there's probably more parts of that question than just one answer.

Some of those answers that they do ever come out will certainly be that things that are being seen are created by current technology that we are unaware of. But we know everything that's being seen is not something that's created by us. I mean, we don't create animals. We don't create birds.

We don't create fish. We don't create people. You know, so what are the answers there? That's the answers to life there. But as far as, you know, are there other people may refer to them as crypto creatures? Is there something that's out there that has that capability just in space, just as a bird or an eagle does in our atmosphere? What do we know that's not out?

there, or we don't know that's out there that has that capability that can move to space through an element that's evolved into that, just like a shark in the ocean has evolved for millions of years. An alligator, maybe something in the air has evolved and has that ability to hide itself from us, to cloak itself from us. What do you think you saw that day? If you had to put it into terms, I mean, if you had to say, well, maybe not definitively, but if you had to give one explanation to somebody and say, this is what I'm settling on, what would that be? Well, aside from, I don't know what it was, my, my guess that, yes, is that it is some combination of, whether it's a biologism, if it's the same sense of a life as, I guess, is, I guess, is,

I say I'm alive or you're alive. I don't know what life form it is, but it's something with a biological life form that has a non-human intelligence interface. What that is, I don't know. Interesting. Well, Scott, thank you so much for this. Extremely generous with your time. So I thank you for that. And it's been a pleasure to have you on UAP to discuss all this.

just an absolutely fascinating discussion. If I wasn't completely enthralled and fascinated by it, I would have said goodbye to you an hour ago, but this has just been really, really cool for me. So thank you for doing this. Thank you for coming on to UAP to talk about all this. I've probably kept you from the waves, right? You've got a surfboard out there.

You're going to go out and check the waves. It's got to start working on my tan. It's starting to get a worm down here in South Florida. So start to get tan again. I'm all pasty. How can people find you, Scott? How can people find before we go? Just tell everybody how they can find you on social media,

How can they find your book, your story, all the pictures? Where do they go for all that? I would say for me, you know, I'm on X. My name, Scott Guerin. Instagram, same name. I have a website, Scott Garron.com. The books, if you're interested in books, Amazon, they're a print-on-demand. You know, it's not like a bestseller that bookstores have thousands of copies ready to go.

So probably Amazon is probably the best place to go. to order one, you can look it up under my name, or hiding in plain sight. There's a lot of things out there called hiding in plain sight, so you'd have to associate my name with it for both of the books to come up. But probably the best way. Yeah, and the pictures, the videos,

those are all on YouTube, right? So people go to YouTube and search. Some are on YouTube. Yep, some of them are on YouTube. Okay. And also I have posted them on my timeline on X as well. Yeah. And that's where I saw a lot of them.

So whatever it might be, Scott Garon, search it. You'll find these pictures on YouTube on social media. And of course, within the books as well. So I really appreciate you coming on here. I really enjoyed this. Thank you. All right. Stephen, you're welcome.

I enjoyed it. Stay safe down there. All right, thanks. Well, again, thank you so much to Scott for really spending all that time. I know, you know, breaking up into two parts, it didn't feel like that much time to us. But when Scott and I spoke, it was for nearly two hours. So really just very thankful for his time because I certainly overstayed my welcome

and he was very gracious, extremely gracious with his time to spend all that with me here on UAP and tell his story. So thank you again to Scott and I really truly enjoyed going over all that with him because I just thought he had great perspective on the situation, on disclosure, on what this could all be,

what it could all mean, how it all connects. So I hope you enjoyed as much as I did and I'm sure that won't be the last time we hear from him in this field. So really good stuff. So thank you again to Scott Gamron for coming on UAP to discuss all of that. I can't help but to ask those questions, kind of going back to the theme of, you know, consciousness and whether or not what Scott saw or what some people see could be living things. I can't help but to ask that question, you know, when it comes to the living UFO,

is that a thing? Could it be a thing? and, you know, apparently it's not that far-fetched. I was doing some digging on this in between releasing Parts 1 and Part 2 right now, and it is a discussion that's out there. I mean, I was going to say, I'm not crazy. Well, clearly I am crazy, but it's not, I guess it's not as crazy of a thought as maybe I thought originally because, you know, that discussion is out there.

Other people have put this out there. Of course, I'm not the only one. It wasn't an original thought. It's not like Stephen Deener is the only person who's ever thought of of, you know, the living UFO hypothesis. But it's just, it was interesting for me to see that discussion being put forth in other places from other people, just, you know, whether it was hypothesizing or whatever it might be.

So it's just, it's something to ponder. It's something to consider because why not? Why can't we think of that? If we can talk about, you know, time traveling humans coming back from the, you know, from the future to the past. to intervene on different things as a theory. If we can talk about cryptotorrestrials as a theory, if we can talk about interdimensional beings as a theory,

what makes it so crazy to talk about living UFOs as a theory? UFOs is biological entities. So I think it is one, especially in this case, because it was just so weird. And I mean that respectfully, that this is one of those stories where I would put that theory forth. So always up to you. you know again as always here on uAP you make up your own mind if you do think i'm nuts with that

then by all means maybe you think i have a good point so completely up to you on it but really fun to discuss the options and all the different um scenarios with scott when it came to this and really so fascinating i really want to do more on the near-death experience side i know it's not really you know a uap discussion it's not really ufo related but i can't help but to be just so completely enthralled in a conversation like that when you talk about the other side and what people see and what they remember and how they remember it you know i brought up that question to scott how can we remember something when we're dead and you know if the if the brain is dead then we're clinically dead but we're still coming back from the other side with memories so how is that possible and so you know

that that conversation about consciousness and you know what is the soul is the is the soul where our lies where our memories are stored, so to speak. Of course, I don't have the answers, but it's fun to talk about and it's fun to put out there. And I can't help but to ask those questions when you hear about these near-death experiences like Scott had that really become vivid memories for people. I mean, you know, obviously like we said, he's not alone in having an experience like that. There's been many, many accounts like that over the years. Some even more detailed. Some even talking about coming face to face with Jesus or with angels or with loved ones. So there is absolutely a discussion to be had there and maybe that's a discussion I can have later

on in the future, possibly on a special series. You know, maybe something aside from strictly UAP. Maybe that's an idea for a special series in the future. So we'll keep that one in the back pocket. But I definitely love to have that discussion more in depth later on for sure. Hi, you're listening to Meditating with Jan from Toyota. Soften your focus and visualize yourself off-roading in a Tacoma. Now engage your senses. What do you hear? A donkey!

Because you're driving the kids to a farm sanctuary and a Grand Highlander. Breathe in, breathe out, and go from dreaming it to driving it today. Dealer inventory may vary. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Event ends March 31st. Toyota, let's go. places. Oh, and by the way, you know, I did mention the pictures and everything asking Scott at the end of the interview where people can find that. I did retweet his pictures that he has up on X. So if you are

following along at UA Podcast 850 on X on Twitter, then you can see those pictures. And I'll probably do that again, actually, for part two, as I put part two out now, I'll put out some pictures again that Scott has put out online. So just in case you haven't seen them yet, you know, we gave you the information on where to look, but I'll retweet those again at UA Podcast 850 to follow along there. But on the news and notes side, I did want to touch on some news out of Hollywood, but before I do that and before we're done, I did want to mention just some of the latest little tidbits from the transparency team that Anna Polina Luna has put together with other members of Congress. In case you're not up to speed on that, some of the other members that have been added,

by the way, representatives Lauren Bobert, Nancy Mace, Tim Burchett, James. Comer, of course, co-chair with her. And of course, Eric Burleson, representative from Missouri. So just a lot of names that's, a lot of big names, a lot of important names, that we become familiar with as far as the disclosure

push in Congress. The U.A, the Disclosure Caucus, as I like to call them, has really kind of formed into this official declassification and transparency task force. So cool to see that, cool to see that, you know, kind of like the team coming together.

and I mean, I have a feeling they're kind of just getting started. Now, that said, now that the team is really coming together, maybe, hopefully we can start to see some things come out, some things leak out when it comes to transparency, and they have a lot to uncover, you know? I know a lot of us are excited to get the truth when it comes to things about the Epstein files or JFK or, you know, the other big assassinations throughout history,

like RFK and MLK, and these are all things that they're going to work on, of course, including the UFO, question and getting disclosure out on that as much as they can. But now on some of that stuff, though, I should mention that Anna Polina Luna did put out a tweet mentioning the release of the JFK files. She has said that they've sent a letter to the Attorney General Pam Bondi, as well as National Security Advisor Mike Walts, and the new director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

She's, I guess, you know, CC them all in this letter, asking for response in writing on when they can expect answers when it comes to the declassified documents for JFK and where they can be found. So they're digging in on this stuff. You know, it's not overnight as we know. Gosh, as we know, unfortunately, it's very much not an overnight thing. So hopefully we get started to see some answers on a lot of these secrets start to trickle out. We get some more information.

But I know the one we're all waiting for. So I will keep you up to date on all of this as it happens for sure. And I'm even planning on trying to get some of these congressional members from this transparency task force on the show here on UAP. So that's something that I'm working on behind the scenes. Stay tuned for that. And I will update you as I know when some of these task force members will hopefully join me here on the show. Because, again, that's something I'm actively working on. So that would be awesome.

So hoping that that kind of materializes in the future. But on the Hollywood side, well, end the – this because this, I think this will be a lot of fun, actually. There is news about a new UFO disclosure themed movie. And this actually came to me from, yes, I have a Hollywood insider. Go figure, right? So this actually came to me from my Hollywood insider a couple of weeks ago. And I was a little weary about putting it out because I'm like, well, you know, maybe I shouldn't say anything yet. But then like a week later, it's all over the place. So I'm like, well, maybe I guess I could have said something. But the news is, in case you,

haven't heard, director Joseph Kaczynski and mega producer Jerry Bruckheimer are supposedly getting back together to make a new movie about UFO disclosure. Now, I say getting back together, if you don't know what they worked on together in the past, just a little thing called Top Gun Maverick, and that did pretty well. And the new movie coming out called F1, which actually just side note, completely unrelated to UAP topics, but it actually looks really good. It's Brad Pitties. like an F1 driver. I think it's going to be streaming. But anyway, that's, that's a side from the point.

Oh, it's actually going to be on Apple. But there is supposedly getting back together to make this new disclosure movie. And I want to put that out there because it has been confirmed to me that David Grush is actually like a behind the scenes advisor, producer even, on this film. So that's not like in the Hollywood reports, but I, I can tell you kind of meshing both together, Hollywood and UAP related topics. David Grush is a part of this film and behind the scenes in the aspect of, you know, research and, and I think even partially getting credit as a producer.

I could be wrong on that. If I am, I apologize. But this is something that's going to happen. Amazon, Sony, Warner Brothers, Paramount, Apple, Universal. They're all bidding for this picture. And when Jerry Bruchheimer is involved and Joseph Kaczynski. I mean, you put those two together. Like I said, Top Gun Maverick.

Pretty sure this movie is going to get made. And it also goes to show you how hot the UFO topic continues to be within pop culture and within the lexicon of society. Because aside from that one, there's the other movie that we've been hearing about with Steven Spielberg where he's making a new UFO theme movie. And word is, it's actually the title of the movie is Disclosure. So we'll see if that title holds. but this would go kind of hand in hand with that. I mean, I'm super excited to see what Steven Spielberg has to offer once again on this topic with so many other classics that he's done when it comes to this conversation.

This one involving Jerry Bruchheimer, by the way, and David Grush does not have a title yet, but it's in the early stages, it's in the planning stages, and it looks like it's going to happen. So really, what really struck me was the David Grush point to see that he's going to be a part of this project behind the scenes. Really caught my attention because a lot of people, ask, what is David Grush up to these days? Well, there you go. He's involved in this movie, it seems like. So all that has said, this has been so much fun.

You know, both parts, I'm so glad I was able to put this entire conversation out this week. So thank you, as always, for joining, and I hope you enjoyed all of this as much as I have. Just, you know, putting this all out there and having these conversations and having these discussions is just exhilarating

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support truly, truly does me in the world, the positive messages, everything that I received from you for you AP. Thank you so much for all of it. And stay tuned because there's a lot of great stuff coming up. I don't want to say what it is yet, because I just want to make sure that it plays out but trust me I'm super excited and I can't wait to tell you what's coming up here in the future so definitely stay tuned to you AP for much much more to come in the future so until then until next time it's Stephen Dean here saying be well thanks so much and talk to you again soon right here on UAP the unidentified alien podcast