UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 115 Orb vs Jet - The Untold Story of the UK Incursions

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Stephen Diener welcomes back military intelligence insider, Anthony Williams, for another exclusive interview as they discuss why he was left shaken after Trump's statement on the drones. Also, Anthony gives startling details on a previously unreported altercation between a US fighter jet and a glowing orb over an RAF base in the UK. All of this and more, now on UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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here with us today. Anthony Williams, just a fantastic friend to the show. And, you know, I was speaking to him before we started, just kind of like off the air, you know, as they say. And I said to him, like, you know, I really do appreciate your time to come on here all the time. I know I say that after every single interview, you know, I say, I really appreciate you taking time to do this. And I say that not just as a formality or just to wait to end the conversation. Like, I truly mean that. and I told him because he doesn't go on any other shows. And he's had some other opportunities. You know, people have reached out to him, say, hey, come on, do this, do that.

And he's like, no, I'm good. And he just comes here on UAP. And I just think that's so cool. And I just want to say that now, before we get into the interview, and I said it to him before we even started, before we started recording this conversation that I appreciate that. But I also want to put that in public to say thank you to him for continuing this relationship

and to, you know, for continuing to come on to UAP and have these discussions and give these insights and give just such, you know, a great perspective that he's able to give every single time that we talk here. And today was no different. We were able to touch on actually the drone situation. And I know some people might roll their eyes at that at this point and say, oh, my gosh, the drones again. But I just can't help but to continue to feel like it's, there's just so many questions left unanswered on with that situation. There's a lot of meat on the bone, as we say, when it comes to that situation. And I really just hate to let it go because I feel like that's what they want us to do, is to let it go.

And I hate to let it go, especially when it comes to speaking with Anthony Williams, because he and I spoke outside of UAP about this situation. And it was really, really, I thought it was a really great conversation off the air. And I wanted to bring that conversation on the air to have that here on UAP. And we were able to do that. And I think you're really going to enjoy this, his perspective on it all. Because you really do lay it out as all the talking points when it came out from the Trump administration in the first week in office saying that it was all authorized by the FAA. And Anthony makes the case as to why that explanation just isn't plausible and lays it out really well, I thought.

along with some really incredibly startling revelations about what these drones slash orbs have done in the past few months to U.S. aircraft. And it didn't happen here. It happened in England. And so I won't give that away. I'll let Anthony tell that story. But when you hear that, that's a story that Anthony tells here on this episode in just a little bit. That's a story that has not been told anywhere else. And I look forward to you hearing that story from Anthony on how and what happened.

And this guy's over England when it came to their drone incursions. It's really wild. So we go over all those questions. It actually went a little bit more in depth than I expected, which, of course, that means that our conversation went a lot longer than I initially expected or intended, which is normally how it goes. because I always end up going down the rabbit hole with anybody that I speak to and have 45 million questions pop into my head as we're speaking. So for that reason, this is part one of my conversation with Anthony Williams and part two will come out in just a couple of days.

So a lot to get to here in part one and even more in part two. I won't delay anymore. Really look forward to you here on UAP, my conversation, my discussion with Anthony Williams, Military Intelligence Insider, right here on UAP. enjoy and happy to welcome him back it's been way too long we haven't spoken yet in 2025 anthony williams coming back here on to uap the unidentified alien podcast anthony thanks so much for coming back happy to have you yeah stephen thanks for having me it's great to be back and uh great to great to be chatting with you again always yeah man you know there's actually been so much that's

happened since the last time we got to talk so um quite a few things to hit on today so i always appreciate your time and actually i'll tell you this as well just off the bat. There's some questions here from the UFO community on X. Okay. Yeah, so get ready for those. I put it out there that I was having you back on and we got some questions dropped in there. So I'll ask you some of those a little bit later, but it's coming.

Just to let you know. All right. Wow. Okay. I want to start, though, not to beat a dead horse. And let me just preface it by saying that because I want to start with that's the old drone situation. I know it's not really being spoken a lot about anymore. And, you know, it just kind of fell off the people's radar, no pun intended.

And I think that was the intention, quite frankly, from the government. Ever since Trump came out with his statement about his first week into office, came out with a statement that it was, everything was authorized by the FAA. And, you know, it was all for research and experimental purposes and other activities. And ever since then, it kind of just fell by the wayside. But I wanted to ask you on the record here on UAP, what was your take on that? And is there any truth to it? Well, you know, being that I know you stay up on everything all the time, I called you immediately. I called you right after.

And several of my colleagues at work and I were messaging. Gene. But, you know, my immediate reaction was that's about the scariest thing I've ever heard come out of the president's mouth. And it didn't, you know, it came out of his press secretary's mouth. But it's about the scariest thing I've heard from this administration, the current Trump presidency or the previous one. You know, and to qualify why, you know, why that is, there's a lot of times, you know, the president will say things. you know, and it might seem really outlandish to the average person, but, you know, there's, there's a meeting he's trying to shape or an adversary's head he's trying to get in.

And he publicly acknowledged that with some of the rhetoric back about six years ago that he was having back and forth with North Korea. It seemed ridiculous at the time, and he acknowledged the ridiculousness of what he had to say, but it got the right effect and it backed North Korea down from, you know, the potential of war. And quite frankly, since we invaded Iraq, that was the first time Congress had approved a funding line for a conflict. And that was the potential for war with North Korea. So a lot of times when you hear outlandish things or, you know, one-offs that don't make sense, there's a reason for it, you know, regardless of what side of the aisle you lean towards. but this president that has no problem speaking his mind, starting a dumpster on fire with, you know, releasing information or, you know, whatever.

For this administration to put that out was alarming. And, you know, quite frankly, the statement of, you know, all this drone activity was, you know, known by the FAA or approved by the FAA, that's wholeheartedly not accurate because the FAA was questioned for weeks during the middle of this and they didn't know what these things were either. So if the FAA, you know, can one part of the administration, can one part of the Federal Aviation Administration not know what the other hand is doing? Sure. But if something's approved, you know, there would be a requirement for a notice to airmen to be filed. If it's some sort of. sort of experiment, it wouldn't be allowed over civilian population. If there were any risk to the

civilian population, which there were cases of these drones, some of them coming down in neighborhoods and in city areas. So they wouldn't approve something like that. They did not require whoever was authorized to operate these to file any notem. There were no notums filed. Additionally, all the government facilities in the area, state, local, and federal, the U.S. military installations, none of them were aware of any authorized flights. No notice to airmen were filed for military or civilian aviation, and none of that was done. So to come off the cuff and try and close the door and put it to bed with, we know what these are. Everything was above board. and legitimate, that's not how this works.

If someone else was doing some sort of aviation experiment, for example, there are a lot of civilian companies that try to develop aerial delivery systems to the military, and they may go to a civilian drop zone and practice dropping a new parachute delivery system that they want to test. Well, they have to go through the procedures of filing an Odom, getting a proof of, by the local FAA, and that goes up to the Federal Aviation Administration through the local office and then up to D.C. There's a process for all of this. None of that was done. When all these places where this would be filed were called, no one had an answer. There was none of that done.

So this was not some big pre-planned, pre-authorized, everything above board operation by any civilian or government agency. And to seal the deal on that and just try to close the door by saying, hey, everything was approved from a president that is willing to be violently transparent about everything else, that is extremely alarming. And it really raises the question of, okay, if the administration's willing to be transparent about all these other things, why are they not being transparent about this one thing? Well, it can only be a couple things.

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So there probably is a smattering of all sorts of things going on here, but it's a much more complicated answer than just this. was approved and it's okay. It created hundreds and hundreds of hours of state and local and multiple states, not just New Jersey, multiple state government agency time, individuals, time, lawmakers time, policy time, federal agencies time and investigating Congress called things together. The FAA was brought together. The military, you're talking about thousands of hours of hours. of wasted effort if what they said is true

and everything's above board and it's legit. Not to mention the local panic that it sent throughout the entire region wherever these things were flying. None of that is okay. So to simply try and close the door on the topic with this is all above board, this was approved, and then be done with it,

that doesn't pass the sniff test in any way. Yeah, so it was good. and say in short, this really just doesn't add up. And those, I mean, you put it all out there really well. I mean, as far as from A to Z, why it doesn't add up. And I want to ask you, and I completely agree for the record, but even if I didn't agree, it doesn't really matter, but I do agree with everything you're saying of why it doesn't add up.

And that's been my biggest contention with it ever since they said this a few weeks back. But I want to go back to something you were saying on why you found this to be scary. And to be, I'll be transparent in that, as you mentioned, you and I have spoken about this privately when it happened. Like you said, you called me. You're like, dude, this is not good. And I was actually kind of caught off guard a little bit when you had that reaction because I was like, well, why is it so bad? I mean, obviously they're covering for something here, but why is it such a, why is it such a bad thing? And what you said kind of mirrors what you were just saying here, which is that,

means that it's something that either, A, it's so bad, they don't want to talk about it, or B, it's something so advanced, they can't do anything about it. So there was something that I asked you when we spoke about this privately, and I said, well, is it that they can't do anything about it or that they won't? So what I ask you that again, is it, is it that, and when I say the won't, I'm asking that because is it something related to black site technology, you know, government's black ops, some type of government contracting, Lockheed Raytheon, one of those, where they know that it's that. So they're not going to say what it is because it's government contracting and they won't do anything about it

because it's our own secret tech. Is that a possibility, Anthony? So the first part of that, we do have a lot of government contracting companies that do a lot of experimentation and capability development on behalf. of the federal government. So the government will want a device that can do blank. And then they will put out a request for proposal. They will ask several companies that think

that they can play in that space to submit their idea of how they would go about doing that. And then certain companies within that, usually two to three will be awarded a small amount to go forward and start developing that. Think about a fighter plane if we look at that. Start developing a six-generation fighter jet that you think you can do.

And they will compare the Northrop Grumman version versus the Lockheed Martin version versus the Boeing version. And that's very normal. But none of those companies are allowed to do any of that experimentation, just anywhere they see fit. So a lot of that can be written off that there's no way that would be over public area. The other thing with the potential for black site or a black program or an unacknowledged sap,

if there was something that was being experimented or a foreign adversary was experimenting with something, why in God's name would they turn on all their lights? All of our military fighter aircraft, they all have lights, but when we fly in combat, they have a blackout version of flight where that plane has nothing on. There's no lights on in the inside. Everyone on the inside of the aircraft is wearing night vision goggles. I've been in the back of several of those aircraft in combat zones. Everyone's got night vision on. There's low light, red light, only back in certain areas.

There's no external lights. So if this were some sort of black program or experimental program, that doesn't pass the test either. One, we wouldn't allow a company to experiment that way over a civilian population. We wouldn't expect to see an adversary do anything and then let everyone know it's there. You know, they wouldn't do that. They would want to keep that capability quiet if they're doing some sort of spying. You know, and then that brings up the ever-present question of a sci-op. What if this is a si-op?

Well, that could be. You know, it could be a si-op. But what's more likely, what's more likely that this is, is it is a legitimate response to an unknown presence. When I look at this thing in its entirety, if you look at when this started, it's under the Biden administration before it switches over. And there was a lot of risk aversion and decision making, big reliance on policy and precedence before action would be taken. and there's nothing wrong with that. That's legal. That's a legal way of doing things, but a lot of people said, well, hey, why aren't we using some of these exquisite weapon systems that we have to take these things down? Well, going by the letter of the law, there's not policy in place. There's

not precedent in place. So I understand the slow to react. But after time, over time, when that has all been exhausted, a lack of action was really eye-opening. And if you look at what took place in the UK, there were some attempts to bring down some of these things, and they were unable to achieve that. Now, that's quite alarming because most of our counter-drone technology is at play and in-use in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. So the bleeding edge of technology is being experimented with in that real force-on-force war. Wow. The counter-UAS capabilities are being experimented with as well.

And so when we see what we see over bases in Britain and the inability to take those things down, translate that over to now we're seeing these things in multiple states and multiple areas over U.S. territory. bottom line, I default back to what I said originally. This is terrifying. The fact that there's not better transparency should worry everybody. When we're willing to expose our own backdoor with how we frivolously spend money in different programs, and we're willing to do all these other efforts for transparency writ large, and then we go hard in the paint to cover this up, that should be alarming.

Yeah, and that takes me to that other side of the question, which is, why can't we, right? So we answered the why won't we, but it doesn't really apply because of everything you just said. So why can't we? And then that goes back to what you're talking about with the technology that is being used to try to take them down over England. And it wasn't working. So is it really just that simple, Anthony? I mean, we just, the technology we have doesn't work to take these things down and we tried? It made a public news report, so I don't mind sharing this.

But there were actually military aircraft scrambled to try and make contact, engage with, or investigate UAP over Britain. When they did that, U.S. fighter pilots had one of the UAP maneuver against them. pursue them to the point where the U.S. military aircraft requested permission to evade and break out of the area. Wow. Now, I want you to think about that for a minute. That's a very alarming statement that a U.S. fighter pilot that's willing to go toe to toe with any adversarial aircraft anywhere on the planet got maneuvered on to the point where they were fearful for their own safety and requested permission to flee the area. that's an alarming reality. That's huge.

It's huge. I mean, we're talking about something that, you know, is acting like an adversarial or like a foe. I mean, that's coming at us. And there was nothing we can do about it. You're telling me that they just, they had to flee. Not only couldn't they engage or close with it when it maneuvered on them, they were helpless. And once they fled far enough away and evaded, it went back to flying whatever pattern it was flying before.

Why doesn't this stuff work? Like, what are they trying to use if I can ask that? And why isn't it working? Yeah, that's an area, unfortunately, I can't talk about. Gotcha. It's just, I mean, are they appearing on radar? Yeah. Okay.

Yes. Yep. So they're there. They see them visually and on radar. They're trying to deploy advanced weaponry, and it doesn't work. And not only does it not work, but they're getting chased. And like almost not necessarily a dog fight, because apparently it wasn't much of a fight at all, but in that type of scenario. Correct. And of course, the first things that these fighter pilots are going to do are going to try and maneuver back around to get visual back on it. to achieve tally.

And not only couldn't they do that, this thing stayed on them pursuing them to the point where they had no recourse but to evade and leave. So what happened? I mean, that's startling. So what happens after that? They just file a report and they say,

let's not talk about this again. I mean, where do we go from there? Where, you know, that all gets rolled up into this million dollar question of what's, really going on. What is really happening? Yes, people will have videos of these drones over New Jersey, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, you know, all over the country right now. And yet some of those

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But what we're seeing or what was seen over England, like what chased away one of our fighter jets, is it similar or even the same thing as to what we were seeing over here in New Jersey and other states? Are they the same type of drone UAP type craft or were there differences? No, very much the same. But initially, the initial sightings were more like what we had seen over the past several years. over Langley, Virginia. More like Orbs? Orbs, yep.

So that fighter jet that got chased in England, was that by a glowing orb, or was that like a visualized some type of, you know, fixed-wing craft, like some type of drone? That was an orb. Wow. Yeah. That's, wow.

Anthony, it's been very few times where I'm less kind of speechless here on the show, but that is um that's that i don't even know where to go with that i mean and this this just happened what a few months ago yeah yeah during during the height of the sightings in england i guess what november of twenty correct that's unbelievable was was that a one-off or did anything else happened from there i've not seen any other reporting on on anything like that before that or since so kind of a kind of a one-off is that just because we stopped approaching them the way that we did that night?

That or the reporting became stovepiped and no longer made the normal intelligence reporting system. It's just right, right, okay. Now, I won't harper this too much longer again because I don't want to beat on a dead horse of this. But that report to me is just so unbelievable where we're talking about a physical altercation, if you will. between a glowing orb and a U.S. fighter jet over the Air Force Base in England. Well, there's different things that we consider hostile acts as well, right? So underneath the law of armed conflict, we have different things. Like, for instance, you know, in a peacekeeping mission in some areas,

we're not able to fire upon an enemy unless they shoot at us first. Well, that's a pretty boneheaded move if you can see that someone's setting up and they're getting ready to shoot. They have the intention and they're tracking a U.S. convoy. So underneath different rules of engagement, we have a preemptive strike ability in a defensive nature, if that makes sense. Sure. So if I know this guy is putting in place an IED, waiting for a U.S. convoy to go by, I don't need to wait until a U.S. convoy gets struck by an IED to offensively strike that target in a defense of nature.

So there are a lot of things we consider a hostile act. If you simply jam a fighter aircraft, if you jam their communications or their radar system, that's considered a hostile act. So over history, we've seen a lot of UAP activity that if it were an adversary or any other nation, we would view it as a hostile act. Taking our nuclear silos offline, that would be considered a hostile act. Jamming Commander Fravor, Commander Fravers F.A. 18, that's a hostile act. If that was done by an enemy aircraft, he'd be greenlit to engage. Because that's the first thing you do before you engage with a weapon system would be jam that aircraft. So that's considered

a hostile act. So these UAP, globally, are doing things. that if they were another country would be considered an act of war. That's a really good point, one that's not made a lot. Have you heard of any other stories like that, Anthony, where, I mean, these fighter jets are just straight up getting chased away, or is that pretty unique in your realm? Historically and internationally, there was a report in the former Soviet Union. There's been reports of a couple other countries that had scrambled aircraft to it. attempt to engage UAP and they were met with even worse, worse outcomes, aircraft being lost,

pilots having to eject or pilots being lost. So in modern time, and really in the, you know, last five to 10 years, that's the only case like that that I've ever seen a report on like that on our side. Yeah, it's incredible stuff. And I guess when you put it all together, I see what you're saying now when you talk about that drone report that came out from Trump and Caroline Levitt, the press secretary when she read that a few weeks back, why you found that to be so unsettling?

Because if we connect all the dots, that might suggest something that is just we can't do anything about like you originally said. And they're just kind of covering it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It will be interesting to see where the rest of disclosure goes over the next several years of this administration to see if that ends up lending more clarity to this incident. Unreal stuff.

I want to ask you kind of on that note, actually, about this new task force that was put together. So within the past couple weeks, we saw that with Representative Annapalina Luna. and now she's added Nancy Mace and Tim Burchett and Scott Burleson. You know, a lot of the representatives that have been on the UAP caucus that have asked the questions, you know, in all the or the two congressional hearings. Some of the names that, you know, like Jared Moskowitz, I haven't seen him on there yet, Robert Garcia, those are some names that have asked questions before, but I haven't seen on this task force yet. So their whole thing, as you know, is transparency.

They want to be transparent with American people and basically tell them all the secrets. What's been going on from JFK to UAPs all the way in between? So what are you hearing on your end about this new transparency task force? Is it promising? Is it for show? What are you kind of hearing on your end? Well, you know, our whole group is really skeptically. optimistic. Let's put it that way. There's the potential for good, but it's one of those,

believe it when I see it type things. And really, really what it boils down to is, okay, so it's a transparency task force. How empowered are they going to be? And how big of a stick do they carry? And it sounds like the first one out the gate is going to be, the JFK issue. Yeah. Which Cash Patel himself has said that he has seen all of these files and that the JFK incident itself has more to do. The secrecy and lack of disclosure over time has had more to do with other things than

that incident. So that's pretty, that's pretty interesting. there in itself. And, you know, the other piece with that is if we see with the JFK files, you know, at the end of the day, hey, we looked at everything and turns out Leah R.V. Oswald's just a great shot and really hated Kennedy. If that's the result, then I don't have a whole lot of hope for any of the other disclosure efforts that the task force may pursue. So I think that's really the first one out the gate, I think that's where a lot of people in our community are at with it. You know, we'll see what we see.

I will say that of all the Trump appointees and nominees so far, he's putting the right people in the right place. If there was a goal for disclosure, if that was a hidden agenda, and let's be honest, even his son had Lou Elizondo on it on his son's podcast. So it seems like this is something that, at least to the people around the president that matter, that that is a topic that they want some disclosure with. You know, so I'm hopeful. I'm skeptically optimistic,

but I, you know, I'm hopeful that there is, you know, the members that are on the task force themselves, Cash Patel and the FBI, Tulsi Gabbard, you know, and her role, Mike Walts in his role, Marco Rubio in his role, all these lend to people that were very pro-transparency and their last job right before this. Yeah. So I think all the pieces are in place that we could really have some good transparency. But what I say with the stick is it goes back to the fact that.

my belief, based on what I've seen, is that a lot of the real knowledge and facts that the American people want on the deep details are most likely held, you know, not by any government agency. So what depth of transparency? I don't know. But I think the fact that we're not alone in the universe, I think we have the right people in the right place for that. I think what a lot of people are very inclined to do, and I'm one of them, is once you disclose that,

there's nothing but follow-on questions. Right. And that might blow into an area where there's, you know, some roadblocks, and we stop with partial disclosure. So I'm hopeful that we get there. But if that task force isn't allowed to get to the places where the answers are kept. You know, then we run into the same thing we've been running into, which is the same thing that ATIP was plagued with, the same thing that Blue Book was plagued with.

The difference is that we might have key leaders in the right place that will be more sharing with what they found and what they think about it. And that's where we leave the conversation for now. But that's part one of my discussion with Anthony Williams, my latest discussion with Anthony Williams as we just covered everything. The entire gamut when it came to the drones and all the scenarios and all the possibilities. And boy, that story with the orb chasing down the U.S. fighter jet over England, I still couldn't get over that. That is really quite startling. And I know I said that same term while I was talking to Anthony, but I have a tough time even thinking of another

word. And I really was left speechless when I was talking to him. It was really one of the few times ever. I was like, oh my gosh, like, where do I even go from here? Because to hear that story and to hear that, you know, there's an actual scenario in the modern day where a fighter jet was left helpless against a UAP. I mean, this glowing orb chasing him, couldn't do anything about it. And I knew I hit a nerve and I always feel bad when I do that, but it also makes me so much more curious when I ask about what kind of weapons systems were they trying to use, working. I figured when I asked that question, I said to myself in my head, ooh, probably can't ask that. And sure enough, Anthony, couldn't answer that. Anything

having to do with classified weapon systems usually is a no-go when it comes to divulging any information like that. But, I mean, it just, you can't really gloss over the fact, and I'm not trying to make light of it, that the fighter jet was helpless. And his only recourse was to retreat against this glowing orb that we were recalling drones. over England back in November of 24. Really can't overstate how incredible that story is. And then just to put it together with everything else, so I think that was the most comprehensive discussion

I've had on all the scenarios covering the so-called drones. And so I really hope that helped to put it in the proper place as we now just kind of wait and see. Will more come out from this? Are we going to hear anything else, or is it just going to remain buried? And as you know, I'm always going to do my best no matter what to keep it in the forefront, to surface it here and there. And if there are any new details, I will absolutely cover those.

But I'll do my best in the meantime without, you know, running the risk of, like I said, to Anthony beating a dead horse because I don't want to do that. But it is something that remains unanswered in my book and in Anthony's book, as you heard. and the reasons could be pretty intriguing to say the least as to why those questions are left unanswered. But as you heard, we just started to get into the task force side of things. And that also took us down a very interesting path of questioning and answers that I think you're going to really enjoy in part two, as well as the questions from you. A lot of listeners went on to Twitter and asked questions for me to ask Anthony. and I was actually able to hit all those.

And that actually was a lot of fun and some great questions to everybody who participated. So I shout out everyone who was able to participate in those little Q&A with Anthony Williams. So that's also included in a part two as well as some other stories that I was able to touch on a little bit in the past. But now I'm able to reveal in part two where those stories came from. And it came from Anthony Williams himself. And he was able to expand on some reasons. details I shared about some different orb sightings last year. So that's all included in part two. And I look forward to continuing this discussion with the conclusion with all that included in part two in just a couple of days.

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