UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 116 Looking Through the Lens of Military Intelligence

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

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Stephen Deaner back through here, as always, on the Unidentified Alien podcast for this conclusion of my discussion with Anthony Williams. Last time we left off, part one there, a lot of good stuff that we are able to cover, is especially that story about the orb chasing the fighter jet over the UK. That's still pretty wild to me. And a lot of other great stuff in there that I hope you were able to enjoy in here. But now we're going to jump, pretty much jump right back. into it when I get the interview going again. And we really pick up where we left off when it comes to talking about the transparency

task force and kind of just continuing that discussion with Anthony on getting his take on really how that's going to go and why some files haven't been released yet. So a really good perspective from him, as usual, as always, on, you know, a lot of people asking those questions, like, where are the files? where is this, where's that? How come we haven't seen anything yet? So we get into some of those questions and I think Anthony again has some really good perspective on it. I'm also able to ask him about some of those orb stories. If you remember a few weeks back or so, I brought up some pretty wild sightings that were seen by fighter pilots in the Pacific and over the Middle East

U.S. fighter pilots. And those stories actually came from Anthony himself in a private conversation that he and I had a few weeks back and I had asked him can I relate these and he said yes and I did that but I didn't tie it back to him until we spoke here in this episode so we're gonna run well not run through but go over a couple of those stories more in detail where I can now ask him some questions regarding it which I was really anxious to do so I'm glad I could do that here um and then some fun at the end where we go over questions from you I asked some of you on X on Twitter there um if you had any questions for Anthony. I put that out before I spoke to him on Tuesday when we recorded this entire interview as I've broken it up into two different parts. And I got some great questions that I,

you know, I said to Anthony and I'm like, hey, we got some questions here. Yeah, cool, let's do it. Bring it on. That was actually a lot of fun and we really did have some fantastic questions. So thank you to everybody who sent those in there and got some good answers as well. So I think for those of you who did ask some questions, I got most of them in there. I might have had to leave out or two, if I remember correctly. But if you did ask some of those questions, take a listen because, well, we might end up talking about you here. And Anthony, answer your question.

So that was really fun. And I think everybody will enjoy that, whether or not you asked the question yourself. So an informative and fun conclusion here with myself and Anthony Williams, as we, again, pick up right where we left off, talking about the Transparency Task Force in that discussion. So thought of further ado, get you back in here, myself and Anthony Williams,

on UAP. Enjoy. Yeah, and that's kind of been one of the sticking points and some of the contention with the task force early on is, you know, what kind of power do you have? Do you have subpoena power? Do you have declassification, which the answer is no. Right. You know, that's, I think it's a good point when you say how big is the stick that they carry. And to her credit, Ann O'Polina Luna has been tweeting directly at the Department of Justice

in Bandi, the attorney general, saying, hey, we've been trying to. to get in touch with the guys on some of these files, but they're not making a lot of headway. Why do you think that is? I mean, this is supposed to be about transparency with all these names we just mentioned, but it seems like right now, anyway, and I hate to be pessimistic, but I guess maybe we're just jaded or I can speak for myself. It seems to be more of the same on the surface right now. Do you think I'm wrong in saying that?

Well, you know, there's been a lot of things that I've seen publicly that don't make a lot of sense, but then when I go into work and I look at... at what the actual condition is on the ground, then things start to make a little bit more sense. And it's always, man, why did we do that? Then you go and you find out what's happening politically in other places. And you're like, oh, okay, all right, while this didn't seem to make sense up front, now, now I get it. It makes more sense why we're doing that. So I think with every one of these people getting into their new positions, you know, and they're finding out what's on the other side of that closed book that, you know, they turn the first page and are like,

ooh, okay, I think there's probably some revelation that's there. And there's, you know, some people that are probably being faced with some reality of, okay, what do we do with this and what are the second and third order effects? Yeah, and that's fair. And I think also maybe, I hate to say it, but maybe patience in order. as well because they are still fairly new. So, you know, we just expect so much. Everybody's very eager. So I guess we'll see where it all leads to be continued on that.

I do wonder, as well, though, Anthony, and I wonder if you've been able to dig into this or if you've heard anything, how much of the UAP issue connects to the JFK issue specifically? Because we've all heard stories. We've all heard different theories about, you know, why JFK was actually assassinated. And the UAP question is one of those theories that, you know, he knew too much.

He was going to reveal things. He was trying to take power away from the CIA. Whatever it was, is, I mean, have you heard things like that? That might be, you know, kind of a branch of the JFK declassification issue is that UAP is connected to it? Well, let's just assume Cash Patel is telling the truth, which we all hope he is. He's the new director of the FBI. Let's hope he's being honest. But when he looks at those files and he says the issue with releasing these has nothing to do with the assassination, then it's got to be something else.

And what else could it be? So at the time, you're talking about the potential for a new arms race with the Soviet Union, which we know all happened. You're talking about a very strong stance against Cuban communism and communism. you know, the Cuban Missile Crisis. So you're seeing all these different things that are at play during Kennedy's time there. But also, this is really when the reality of what's going on with the UAP issue, Roswell, all these things, we're really trying to figure out what we're going to do with all that stuff. And so I think it's more probable that these two are connected than that they're not connected.

There's a whole bunch of theories about everything under the sun. And because we've not seen the files, you know, any one of them could be right. It could be a plan concocted between some nefarious actors in the CIA, trying to get a strategic effect in a different place and working with Russia or this. Or, you know, there's a lot of conspiracies that could be accurate. None of them good. but I would say that it's highly likely that the UAP issue is tied to it. There's even some people that have speculated that John F. Kennedy had shared some of this with Marilyn Monroe,

and that helped lead to her on timely death. Yeah, I've heard that too, and man, I hope we find out. Just say that. Hopefully we find out something definitive because a lot of people clamor for it, And that's the goal. So hopefully we get there. Speaking of which, I'd like to touch on something if we can. Again, private conversation you and I had maybe about a month or two ago. And I spoke about it in as much detail as I could on a previous episode of UAP.

And it involved these few different instances with some pretty incredible orb sightings by military pilots. And at the time, Anthony, I didn't say where I got the information because it was like, I don't even know if you want your name attached to this as I talk about it. But if you don't mind me bringing it up now, we can get into some of those? Sure. Let's do it. All right.

So one of the ones that really sticks with me, and if anybody hasn't heard these before, then get ready. one of them that really stuck with me that I spent quite a few minutes talking about maybe maybe a few weeks ago on an episode of UAP was this report it's it's not fabricated it's an official report that came out from I believe it was April of last year if I'm remembering off the top of my head and I have my notebook I should probably look at it but I believe it was April of last year where right before Iran was going to shoot missiles at Israel. And there was a U.S. pilot who was flying near the border of Iraq, and he saw these

orbs in like a trapezoid formation moving erratically, and then they would just sit there in midair and stop. And now he was on mission, so he couldn't really, you know, stick around to see what was happening. But then we find out that around 50 or 60 of the missiles that Iran fired that night toward Israel actually ended up getting blown up in that same area where those orbs were. Am I getting the story right? Somewhat. Let me fill in a little bit of the details. So, you know, it's an aircraft on mission flying by an area and they noticed multiple UAP moving erratically at an extremely high rate of speed and then slowing down as they formed a track.

trapezoid, then breaking out of that formation, moving around again, and then reforming this trapezoid. And this went on through the entire time that the aircraft was in vicinity to see it. 40 minutes later, I ran fired a volley of over 100 rockets and missiles. Over 50 of them, I believe the term in the report was malfunctioned. in the same spot as that incursion was seen. So that was interesting. While we had no observers in that specific area, we also didn't have anything else that would have done that

where other missiles that made it further were taken out with anti-aircraft systems. So at that case, and this is just me speculating here, but are we talking about some type of either a advanced weaponry you know a some type of shield even before the missiles would get to the iron dome over Israel and those those were deployed by Israel or by the U.S., I don't know, in an effort to stop these things before they even got close enough towards Israel? Or is, I mean, are we talking about B,

some type of otherworldly intervention when it comes to this. So the reality is we don't know, right? Iran's military is not fought in a war since the 80s when they were at war with Iraq.

Not overtly. You know, through non-state actors, they've been in conflict nonstop and throughout the entire war on terror. You know, they continue to prop up and direct the actions of other militant groups. You know, so we don't have any definitive answer

that these UAP had anything to do with those weapon systems malfunctioning. Although if you're someone that doesn't believe in coincidence, then it's hard to believe that these things were seen in the area, and then we have multiple missiles and rockets fired, right through that space, and they all malfunction right around that same area. And it could be a coincidence.

But I will say that that's, again, that's no technology we have or we employ. And we certainly wouldn't there. Now, the case could be made that if we were going to test an exquisite capability, what a good place to do it over the open desert where we don't have a whole lot of sensors, or, you know, nothing ruins a good story like a witness, right? There's not a lot of witnesses in that area and at those altitudes, you know, to detect that.

But that is nothing that we have operating in that area. And again, a military pilot operating in that area would be read onto other assets in that area, Whether they were on mission, on their mission or on a separate mission, we call it battle space deconfliction. That would happen. And so the fact that that was written up as an anomalous sighting indicates that there was no battlefield deconfliction, therefore it's not our asset, not our capability. Interesting. Okay. Again, also assuming that those UAP had anything to do with the malfurricular.

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That's suspicious. You know, to everyone else, it can be easily written off as Iran's not very good at their readiness and maintaining their weapon systems. And I know there were some more. I want to get into some Twitter questions here before we're done. just some of these other stories out there, and they're all very similar. I mean, with these fighter pilots seeing different orb formations and they're spinning around erratically. I mean, are there any indications to answers on any of these incidences and why fighter pilots are seeing these things the way that they are? Yeah, what's interesting is in all of those incidents, the air crews and pilots remained available for recontas. to follow up, to get more details, some of the reports accompanied photos and video. And when those go up, there's nothing that's coming back down.

It's not the only type of report where that's the case, but I just find it interesting that this is a flight risk, safety of flight issue, and there's nothing else coming out about it in that area. in any of the areas discussed. Yeah, because some of these happened over the Pacific Ocean, right? Yeah, where a lot of aircraft are flying, civilian and military. Yeah. Commercial civilian and military.

Right. And so these, these orbs are being, you know, witnessed as circling around, multiple orbs, moving in different directions. Is this happening a lot, Anthony? I mean, it was just like, these are weird reports, so we leave them as outliers. I think we're really building up. One, I think there's more of it happening, but two, I think the more and more people talk about this, it's something real. It's a thing that's photographed, it's videoed, it has radar signature, it's a real thing.

So the more that it's acknowledged that it's a real thing, the more officials from government that are going under oath and saying what they're saying, increasingly reduces the stigma presented by the average person talking about it. And I think more people are talking about it. I think more people are comfortable looking up. And I think more people are willing to say, yeah, there's stuff out there that we just don't know what it is. So I think having these conversations, I know that since 2017,

the military has come out with formal procedures for how to report these. That wasn't something that existed before. And now there's a big push for commercial aviation to have a system for reporting. these sightings. So we're getting more reports, whether that means there is an increase in frequency or it just means that people are reporting it more. I don't know the answer to that. It certainly seems like we are seeing an increase in volume and an increase in reporting. Well, just incredible

stuff. And the conversations that we have, I always truly enjoy because It's just so much information, so many things I've never heard before, and just the perspective. So always really appreciate it. And actually, on that note, I look forward to your perspective here on some of these questions. So before we're done here, Anthony, can I throw you some Twitter questions from some people who have dropped in some questions into the mailbag? What do you think? Yeah, let's do it. I'm impressed.

Let's do it. So, yes, the inquiring minds want to know. I have Simon Barr over here asking, and this is actually a good question. I'm glad he brought this up because I was wondering myself, what happened to the October timeline? You know, you and I spoke about last year about this deadline that was kind of, you know, being floated around in your area about a deadline for disclosure that you had seen for October 24.

Any news on, I guess, why we didn't maybe see what we thought we thought we were. we were going to see in October of 2024. Yeah, great question. And, you know, I don't know that we've actually talked about this on an, on an episode. I don't think we have actually. You know, since that. So that great question, glad he asked it. So that is one detail that I think I even told you not on the episode.

And maybe we did mention it on the episode, but it's the one detail that I was really hesitant to share. So that timeline was part of a larger briefing on the topic that was several years old. So if you look at how we plan in the military, we plan one to five years cycles, we plan 10 to 15 years cycles and we look as far out as 30 years. But really, the farther out you look, the more speculative. it is, and it's good to head in a direction, fully understanding the fact that as new technology, as new information, as new adversaries arise, we shift that. I remember talking to a group of field grade officers, one of which cornered me in Germany as he's dealing with the Ukraine conflict.

And they reminded me about the fact that when I was teaching his class, I said that they may be involved in a conflict that we're not even aware of yet. And sure enough, Russia conducts the second invasion into Ukraine three months later. So the adversary gets a vote. There's new information. So I say all that to say that timeline was on a briefing that was several years old. And I was very uncertain of its validity in present time. I thought it was interesting enough to share that we were looking at some sort of disclosure event in October, but it could have even been speculative of other things that didn't happen in that timeline to lead to that disclosure event.

So I'm not shocked it didn't happen. I was really hesitant to share it, but I was just as hopeful as everyone else that, hey, maybe this, maybe this is a thing, maybe all these steps are met that this next step is a thing. Well, it is interesting in itself in that, you know, that was put on a timeline. You know what I mean? It's not like it was something that they just made up. They actually had disclosure on a timeline. So it's actually something that they're thinking about.

As a step to go through and a larger process, disclosure was part of that. So, you know, and realistically, if you look at that, well, what do you have to disclose? I mean, that in itself is somewhat disclosure. Yeah. You know, hey, we're going to tell everyone about a bomb. Well, that indicates you have the bomb. You know, if you're going to put that on a timeline that there's going to be disclosure, public disclosure, then that means you have something to disclose.

That's interesting. Because what you've already told us for decades is that there's nothing. So if you're going to tell us that there's something, then the fact that it's even on that timeline, to me, is another indication of soft disclosure alone. Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, it's there, right? It's on paper. Yeah.

Yeah, it's really interesting. Well, thank you for clarifying it. And I think that makes sense. Big Dub genetics. I'm not sure what that means. I won't touch that one. I love it. I love that guy's handle.

They ask, what's the deal? And if you don't know, that's completely fine, but I thought it was interesting to bring it up. What's the deal with Tim Taylor and Chris Bloodsoe? Do you have anything on that? Yeah, you know, That all falls into, and you and I have talked about this as well. It falls into a category of something we don't really touch, because it's not something I can look at, prove, disprove.

So I don't really have a take on that one way or the other. It's like Jake Barber's claim about the psionics. I haven't seen it. Supposedly there are demonstrations that are going to be happening, Yeah, so I don't have anything on that, unfortunately. No, and that's fair. And actually, on that note, curious George wants to know. He's curious if you have any insight on the crash retrievals with Jake Barber or otherwise.

Yeah, so, you know, it can confirm, you know, and you and I talked about this, Jake Barber is who he says he is. And, you know, just like, you know, Jason Sands and all these other guys that are coming out of the woodwork, they're coming slow with nothing positive promised. You know, so it lends a big amount of credibility to his story to me. One, I'd be shocked if we didn't have a crash retrieval program. And the other thing, the other thing that he states, and I've listened to several of his podcasts, looking for continuity and the details that most people wouldn't.

catch. So how he talks about working for this contract company and how he talks about getting missioned and how he talks about doing all these these operations is real. That's exactly how these things happen. Lou Elizando's book, when he's talking about details about being in Kuwait, I was there. That's accurate. And so most people wouldn't know that it's just a neat part of the book and no idea if he's telling the truth or not. Well, I can verify that he is. So there are a lot of things that from a contract that provides a service, think about Kellogg, Brown, and Ruth that build up a lot of our forward operating bases around the world, you know, a lot of times they'll get the mission to put in, you know, a life support base somewhere, not necessarily

knowing what unit's going to occupy it or what they're going to do, but they're there doing it. So that's exactly how that would work. If he's flying an aviation support for a government agency, everything he said checked out. So it would be weird that he would get everything right and then just make up this fantastic story about something else. And if you were going to do a crash, a crash retrieval program, that's how you do it. What you wouldn't do is use a military asset that has a crew chief that's a junior enlisted soldier that you can't guarantee what he's going to say or who he's going to say it to. You know, but you can tie a contract aviation company's livelihood,

their ability to keep for contracts. There's a lot of carrots and or sticks you can hold over their head to get their compliance and execution of the mission. And you can appropriately pay them for their level of professionalism that you wouldn't get out of, you know, you couldn't guarantee it out of other types of units. So everything else with Jake Barber checks out. There's no reason to believe that he's not 100% with everything he's saying.

At least from his perspective, he's telling what he believes is the truth. Yeah, I mean, it's really great insight. He's still, you know, look, he's still out there. He's still telling his story and saying that they're trying, you know, to do all these different, you know, I guess you could say sessions with, you know, psionics. So there's more to come from that story for sure. Mike Schlemer wants to know, actually going back to the drones, have you been involved in any of the drone reports?

And do you ever get involved historically, you or your team? And have you noticed anything different in the past few months? Great question. So no. my day work does not involve anything within the continental U.S. So the intelligence reports that come in, go into a big system that we, myself, and others have access to you that we review. But no, so have not been involved.

What I did do is make several calls and secure emails. classified email inquiries out to trusted individuals that I know that are in the area, both military and civilian to find out what they're seeing and what they're hearing. But no, I'm not directly involved in any of those. Now, the ones overseas that do fall into an area of operation that I work with, those I definitely review because they do affect operations. in that area, which I am involved in. So the New Jersey incident, know what's going on lately?

Well, I'll tell you that the reports are still coming in. What I think we're seeing a lot more of now are, again, actual drones flown by who I don't know. But again, it was, I believe, in my opinion, spurred on by the initial sightings of these UAP swarms. But that seems to be what I'm seeing now more than anything is that, hey, these are actual drones, who they are, whose they are has not been acknowledged. And even in the White House's announcement, they didn't specify who's doing this. They didn't level with us on that. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie.

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slash UAP. That's Shopify.com slash UAP. Yeah, again, that that's, man, that situation really just is something else. And I don't want to let it go. I feel like, you know,

I just hate to feel like I'm, you know, going after an issue that may not even be something that is on top of people's minds anymore. But I just feel it's still important. Am I off on that? No.

What other government program classified or unclassified was ever allowed to experiment on anything that the result was instilling panic in a general population? It's not a thing. No. I mean, you can get into the, you know, all the anti-war. war propaganda that we put up during World War II, Cold War, you know, the fear of a nuclear strike, those were all based on real threats. Those were based on real things. There's been nothing else in our nation's history that's been allowed to occur that creates a general

populist panic and then just gets written off with, oh yeah, now we, uh, we, uh, we're good. Unbelievable. I'm almost done with the questions. I thought these have been pretty good. So I'm glad I got to ask you this. Yeah. Yeah, these are really good.

Yeah, I really enjoyed it. King Andy 1776 wants to know. And this is actually really good question. I've never thought about this. He wants to know if you've ever noticed a correlation when it comes to sightings, when it correlating to certain times during a month or certain times, you know, I guess different months throughout the year. And if you notice anything that's like a cyclical correlation to sightings.

Well, there certainly are with certain sightings. So the Langley incursions were happening annually. As a matter of fact, there was some really big high tech things moved into Langley, anticipating that again this year. So there is, there are some things that have been cyclic. As far as this would be a great drill for anyone that has any sort of AI prowess would be to, you know, Newfork.org has a very robust database of UAP sightings. It would be interesting to put those by date, time, and year, and look for some of those patterns and see if AI can tell us, based on past patterns where we would be most likely to see the next UAP siting.

That would be an interesting drill. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. And I've never really consider that. Or UAP sightings more common during October versus March, you know? Right, right, right. Newfort.org does have some of that data done. But, you know, if any of your listeners are big on AI, I've got a guy that works for me that, you know, his specialty is AI and quantum computing.

And the way I use AI and the way he uses AI are drastically different. But I do know that New Forge database being in a database construct, it would not be that far of a stretch to be able to download that database, upload it into AI, and then ask an AI bot about these patterns and what it's seen. you know, what is the month, you know, in any year, historically over the last 50 years where there's been the most sightings? Is there a time of year? You know, the more questions you ask and the more specificity, the better these answers will get. And when you use AI in that model and that mode, giving it a reference document, it will just reference that and give you the answers

based on that. So that's not something I've done, but that's, that's, me throwing that back out there. King Andy, if you or any of your friends are good with AI, you know, that would be a good drill to run. That's pretty cool. We'll have to keep an eye on that one. I don't know if I

have to know how to do that, but I would love to see somebody else do it and we can read that report. Lastly, Anthony, I'll get you out here on this one. Chris wants to know, did you respond to the email from Elon and list your five points? I don't want to lose you, so you got to make sure you respond to these emails. Chris, you nailed it.

And I hope he understands that that has been a topic of discussion every day this week. And since that email came out and the amount of memes going around, you know, I think within the Department of Defense, we are a top-down orders-driven organization. So more than any other governmental department, you know, probably the biggest answer given of what did you do last week, we're probably the only department that could get away with saying whatever we were told. You know, what did we do? Whatever we were told to. We are an orders-driven organization. Now, does that apply to all the government civilians and all aspects of the DOD? For sure not.

And I will tell you that as fat as our government is in certain departments, DOD is not without its, you know, dead weight. We see it. We talk about it. We joke about it every day. You know, those that work get rewarded with extra work from those that refuse to do anything outside their lane. And it's really, you know, I'm sure anyone that has any job that works with people, it's all about being a team. player. And so, and we were told to cease and not respond to that email and that leadership within DOD was addressing that with OPM and with DOGE. So regardless how you feel about all of the

actions, that's one that within DOD, we were told, hey, wait a minute, let's get some more clarification on this. So where other government agencies, have their charter to go do things that they do. DoD for the most part is doing exactly what they're told. And that boils down to the individual guy at the individual unit level. What did he do today? What did he do this week? He did whatever he was told to do if he's a good soldier.

So you did get the email, though, like you have in your inbox from Elon Musk and Doge? I'll send it to you. Oh, wow. There you go. That's funny. Well, I guess we'll end it on a nice happy note there, Anthony, because we talk about so many heavy things at the course of our conversation that it's good to end on a light note.

So any final bit, though, that you want to put out, just any final note that you have in your head that you want to relate to anybody before we're done? No, this was great. It's always good talking to you, and I love the questions from the listeners. I think, you know, you and I talk about it. We have a common interest here, and, you know, I'm just always curious, you know, how any of this is received by anybody else. And really, you know, selfishly, I think part of my enjoying our discussions is me and you enjoying the discussions that we have.

And that's where my satisfaction kind of ends. But it's, I think that's interesting that some of the other listeners had questions too. I like that. That's great. Yeah, that was fun. I'm glad we got to put those out there. And there were a great question. So I appreciate everybody who participated in that.

It was good stuff. So on that note, Anthony Williams, thank you so much for coming back here on UAP. Another fantastic discussion. Always really appreciate your time and for making time to come on here in your busy day. So can't wait to have you on again soon. Thanks so much for coming on here today.

Yeah, you're welcome, Stephen. We'll talk to you soon. Yes, thank you. I always feel so much more informed after we're talking with Anthony, and I hope you do as well when you listen, because that's always the goal, is really just to try to get as much information out there as possible and to talk to the people who know about it

and that's why I always so much enjoy Anthony for coming on here and I mentioned this in the last episode in part one that this is the only show he comes on and you know he's declined some other ones and just keeps coming back here so I can't thank him enough for that so always a great time and thank you again Anthony for doing that and you know we'll be talking to begin in the future

but until then I hope you enjoyed this discussion that we had. There was something, one of those fan questions that I'll touch on real quick here before we're done, before I wrap up here on UAP and let you know what's coming up. Actually, I'm going to kind of kill two birds, one stone here, by letting you know what's coming up and expanding on one of those questions that we got. And it was the question that involves Chris Bloodsoe and Tim Taylor. And Anthony, just because it's not really something that he sees in his. reports, we're talking more of like a personal relationship between Chris Bloodsoe and Tim Taylor

that a lot of people are very curious about. You know, it's like a very mysterious thing. People want to know more about Tim Taylor and how he relates to Chris Bloodsoe and that side of the story on the UAP discussion. And Anthony, you know, like you said, I just like, that's not really my area of expertise as to know what's going on with them. So I didn't have a good answer for it was what he was saying. Well, I can expand on it.

because I can tell you that coming up, now I can tell you. And man, I've been holding this one in for about three weeks now that Chris Bloodsoe was on the show with me here on UAP. And, you know, if you listen to the end of the show like this right now where I do a little wrap up after the interviews and things, I always say at the end, you know, there's a lot of great stuff coming up. There's some things that are on the, you know, the back burner that I'm working on, but I don't want to put out yet. I've been saying that exact thing for like the past three weeks or so. And that Chris Bloodsoe interview that I'm telling you now did happen and I'm going to release next week was that thing that it was really excited about that it was working on in the background. And just so happy in that now finally I can say, yes, this is coming.

And the only reason I didn't put it out before was just out of respect for Chris. He asked me not to really advertise it or talk too much about the fact that he was going to be on the show until after we did it. I said, sure, I'll keep that to myself until after we talk. Well, we did, and it was about an hour long. And I tried to get everything in there that I possibly could in that hour, and it was fascinating. It was informative beyond my imagination of what I was hoping to get out of it. I got even more, and that means I got more for you. So it was awesome for me. It was just such a fascinating discussion, and I cannot wait to put that out for you next. week because I do ask about Tim Taylor and Chris Bloodsoe and I asked him about his relationship

with Tim Taylor and who is he? I straight up asked him who is Tim Taylor and can you let everybody know like what is the mystery behind this guy and it was really really cool so I can't wait for you to hear that along with so much other stuff that we spoke about I mean it was it was chock full of chock full of goodies I'll say so that is coming out next week along with some other things that once they happen I'll let you know what they are and what I'm working on, big project behind the scenes. This is like a whole new thing. So I'm going to let you know what that is.

Hopefully in the next few weeks, maybe a month, somewhere in there. Maybe mid to late March. I can give you more information on this project that I kind of have going on in the background. Hopefully I have more of it put together by then. So until all that, until next time, continue to follow along and download, subscribe to the show, wherever you get your podcasts, because there really is, I don't just say it, you know, to say it, there really is a lot more coming down the road for UAP, and I am so excited to bring it all to you. And so wherever you get your podcast, like I said, Spotify, Apple, Amazon, all those great places.

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Couldn't do it without you. So until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here saying, be well. Thank you. Can't wait to talk to you again soon on UAP, right here on the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thanks. Thanks.