UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 117 UFOs and Congress - An Interview with Rep. Eric Burlison

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

In this candid and revealing interview, Stephen Diener speaks with Congressional Representative and member of the Transparency Task Force, Eric Burlison, about his efforts to bring about UAP disclosure. When will the next hearing be and who will be called to testify? All of this and much more is discussed in this episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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if not you would have missed out on some pretty good stuff this week i think and i'm pretty excited about what i'm able to bring to you here today and in the future starting off with this episode in my interview with representative eric burleson from the Missouri. Great to have a member of Congress on the show, but wanting to do it for a while, and I even say that to Eric as we start off, where I say, this has been my goal for a while, and you'll hear me say that to start off. So I'm already repeating myself here, but I'm excited, so I can't help it that Eric Burleson was able to join me here on UAP. Just a really great interview, really informative. And, of course, he has been involved, which is why I found it really important to

try to speak with him here on the show, because he's been heavily. involved with the UAP disclosure movement within Congress. He's been at the hearings. He's asked the questions to the witnesses like Lua Elizano and Tim Galadette and Dave Grush. And he still is working with Dave Grush behind the scenes, which are going to hear during this episode. A lot of really great insight here from Eric Bolson, of course, also part of the new

transparency task force, which we get into as well. And we start off there with that as part of the conversation discussing the the recent happenings behind the efforts to release some of the other things that the government is keeping secret, such as the Epstein and JFK files and how that kind of relates to the efforts to dig into the UAP files. So it all kind of plays together here, and we start off from that part of the discussion and that angle and kind of move from there. So we really get into, again, a lot of great stuff in the short amount of time that we had.

I really wish I could have spoken to him for an hour. Unfortunately, we were only able to speak for maybe about 25, 30 minutes, but we were able to fit in a lot of information in a short amount of time. So I think you'll enjoy it. I hope you will, and you'll find it informative. I found a couple of things that he said to be really, really intriguing, such as who he's trying, who's trying to stop them. I asked him about what Nancy May said at the hearing back in November about people who not wanting to have these hearings, people not wanting them. to read the secret documents and all those different things. So he gets into that part of things about who is trying to stop them behind the scenes,

which was great to hear. And what he wants out of future hearings when he thinks the next hearing might be when it comes to the UAP issue. Has he been able to speak with the president about this issue? Does he have the president's ear and some other members of Congress? So we even get into zero point energy and his interest in that, which I thought was pretty cool. a lot here again in a short amount of time so I think you're going to find this informative and enjoyable with my interview here with Eric Burleson I will say this too before we get into it completely my fault I ran out of time I did not so this probably was my biggest oversight just to put

it out there on the table right away I did not get to ask him his thoughts on the drone issues that have been taking place the sightings over New Jersey and elsewhere by the way and I did not get to ask him what he thought about the statement from the Trump administration that came out last month regarding, you know, FAA authorization and research and all that different stuff that came out during that statement. So unfortunately, I did not get to bring that up only because of time constraints and everything else that I wanted to ask him. But hopefully in the future, I'll be able to ask that because who knows what's going to come

from that situation in the future. But I just wanted to put that out on the table. I know I would, no one was more disappointed than I was that I wasn't able to get to that question, but I think we were still able to hit on a lot of other great stuff here that I hope you enjoy. So without further ado, here is my discussion with Representative Eric Burleson of Missouri right here on UAP. Enjoy. And it's my pleasure to welcome in here today on UAP, Representative Eric Burleson from Missouri. My first time actually having on a member of Congress, and this has been a goal of mine for a while. So Representative Burleson, thanks so much for coming on to UAP here.

Yeah, thanks, Stephen. It's good to be on. I am a subscriber in a listener, so good to be on. That's awesome. Thank you. Now, I'll ask you this. I'll put you on the spot real quick before we get into the meat of the conversation. Are there any other members of Congress listening to UAP? Are you spreading the word? Or how's it looking over there? I don't know. I don't know what's on their particular podcast list. You mean you don't sit at lunch with Nancy Mason, Timberchette and talk about the latest episode of UAP? I mean, come on. What's what's going on? No, I'm glad to hear that. That's really cool. And I'm happy to have you on here because there's a lot that I would love to talk to you about. I know our time is limited, so I'll be able to

try to fit as much as I can in here with you today. That said, let's go ahead and start off, you know, right at the top when it comes to the transparency task force that's, you know, that you're on with Representative Luna and Representative Comer. I know we just mentioned Timber Chet, Nancy Mace. I believe Lauren Bowbert is in there as well. You can correct me from wrong? Yes. Yes, she is. Yeah. So a lot of you, from what I always like to refer to as the UAP caucus, now part of this transparency task force. So first off, how do you think that's going so far in your estimation? And where do you want to see it go in the next, say, couple of months? Yeah, I would say the task force is being, you know, led by someone who's diligent. She's

absolutely fearless. And I think that she has a very strong appetite for getting as much done as possible within the next six months. But Ana Polina Luna is doing a great job. I think that we're already experiencing some of the setbacks that the Oversight Committee has seen. I think we're seeing that firsthand as we try to arrange meetings, get witnesses and things like that. So she wanted to start with the JFK files because she wants to follow the timeline of the Trump administration and what their release is. We've seen that what happened was very disappointing when you just rely on the bureaucracy to release the information. So I think that we're going to have to be more creative. We, you know, and I'll just be frank, I think that this was a botched effort, this first file release.

and it was done so because you have administration coming in. They didn't know what files that they had. Pam Bondi knew she had the files on her desk, but when she actually got sworn in, after she had already told the world that she has them on her desk, it wasn't until she read through them and realized that there was really nothing new there. And apparently a whistleblower came forward.

But because she had told the world, to telegraphed to the world, that she was going to release these very shortly, she ended up having to release them and then did so without cooperating with the disclosure task force without really much cooperation. And so I think that we can do better. We can help shepherd these disclosures along.

And it really underscores why the task force is needed. A, we need to be a diligent group using every resource we can to try to get the real documents. and then B, making sure that we release everything that we can. And we're talking about the Epstein files, right? Yes, the Epstein files, yes. I was just wanting to make sure. We are going to, JFK files are going to come.

We're going to come first, but then Pam had decided to jump to the Epstein files because she had publicly said that they were on her desk. Gotcha. So we were planning, you know, I think that it was a little bit premature, but hopefully we get the full list. Shopify is the commerce platform. behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie.

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you Eric, by the way? I'm being to be, okay, you know, disrespectful by any means. So when we look at that situation, do we look at that as like a learning experience for kind of everybody involved saying, hey, maybe we do need to actually have a little bit more cooperation through the channels and talk to each other, everybody be on the same page? Yeah, I think that the thing that I found within the government is that, and this is, I'm from the private sector. I was worked as software consulting, you know, in essence, was a project manager. And nobody manages anything like a project on Capitol Hill.

It's all, it's very disjointed, very unorganized process. And that's what's infuriating to me. And while I may not be Tim Burchett and as much of an enthusiast on these topics as some people, I believe that we need to bring some seriousness to it. We need to bring an organized, thoughtful process, something that I think the private sector would expect, and that we, I think that will help us go about a more deliberative process of identifying the information, getting the source documents, and then helping us disclose. So, I mean, can we look at the Epstein situation as kind of like a learning curve for moving forward with

UAP a little bit. I mean, I don't know, just to try to take some good out of it as far as, you know, a tough situation that you guys are going through right now to try to figure all this out and trying to work together. Is that, you know, kind of showing you what you're going to be up against when you go, you know, towards the UAP files as well? Yeah, it does. Now, I will say, I think that it's a good thing that, and I think that the process going forward should be that as we discover new documents, we need to be releasing them as quickly as possible rather than trying to hold on to them. And so I think that, you know, but, but, but, but what we need to do is set expectations of as to what what, what the documents are that we've discovered so that people

don't anticipate something that that is not really there. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. It's, um, I, I want to go back a little bit to November, I believe right, early mid-November. Um, I was, uh, privileged enough to be able to be at the hearing, uh, where you're, You guys were talking with Tim Galadette and Slua Elizondo along with the other witnesses were there that day. I waited in line like everybody else and waited in the cold to get in there and have a seat inside the hearing. So it truly was a privilege to be there and witness that as it went down.

And there was something that Nancy May said that stuck with me then. As she started the hearing and she was reading the documents about the secret project that kind of came out about, you know, the crash retrievals and everything. And she was kind of going through that. And she said, there are people who don't want me to read this or don't want to even have this hearing today. I mean, I remember that you guys were going through a lot of blowback to even get that hearing on the books and make it happen. So my question, Eric, is who are those people that are trying to stop you guys from uncovering the truth with all these situations, but especially with UAP.

Yeah, there truly is a swamp and a deep state, and a lot of it is coming from people that are connected to the intelligence community. And I'm using those words, you know, specifically. But people within Congress who have a very cozy relationship with the intelligence community, and they're in positions of authority where they can block us from getting, you know,

people to come forward and testify. And so without, without saying, you know, any names, there's some members who have been, I will say, you know, Mike Turner for a long time was blocking us. He was the intelligence chairman. And back in November, he was the intelligence chair. He had the, a lot of times when we were trying to get people to come forward to testify, whether it's in a skiff or in a hearing, Turner had the authority to, you know, to deny that. And so in addition, you have, in addition to that, just direct, you know, blocking of information, you have a general posture from leadership and people within the building that don't want to focus on this as a topic because they don't think it's a serious topic. They think it undermines the legitimacy of our other research efforts.

So I'm not, no, it was never overtly said. But you could definitely tell the posture of that while Comer and his office has been extremely helpful, and he wants to, you know, I think he's done more than anybody else as a chairman to try to help us get to this information. He's taking an entire committee that's focused on finding, you know, that are attorneys that are focused on finding financial fraud and another, you know, business. related issues. They're not familiar with the, with the intelligence community or with the whole process of disclosure when it comes to, you know,

when it comes to this topic or anything related to the military, industrial complex. So we're stretching a, the, the skill set of some people that are very talented in that office, but it certainly is not what they were hired to do, if that makes sense.

Yeah. So just that, and there's just a general posture, you know, from leadership. I think Mike Johnson, you know, I think has been resident to try to give us much access. If that explains the situation that we're in. Yeah, no, I think that paints a pretty good picture. And I kind of get the idea and please correct me from wrong, but it almost seems like there's still a hanging stigma about this conversation over Congress. Some of Congress, you know, yourself included and some of the other representatives that we've mentioned is on the Transparency Task Force. They're of the mindset of this is a serious issue. We should look into this. There's something happening. We need to know what it is. And we need to tell the American people what's happening.

And then there's another side that says, you guys are crazy with this alien stuff. I mean, am I off on that or is that kind of the back and forth? You know, I think we're moving the needle. We're absolutely moving the needle. into making this a more acceptable topic. But, yeah, I think that we still have got, I mean, Congress, there's a reason why it takes the expression, it takes an act of Congress,

because it's just, it's an impossible task to get Congress to do anything. So just kind of like you said, moving the needle, moving the conversation forward. And I think that's what the hearings have done. Do you feel like the two hearings that you guys have been able to have, have been able to move that needle? have been able to move the conversation forward in D.C.? Yeah, absolutely.

I think the first hearing with David Grush and Ryan Graves, and, you know, I thought that meeting was very good, very insightful. I was very, I'm still very cautious about the information and trying to be very analytical, keep that skeptic attitude and that mindset. Because I think that this talk, topic deserves it. The American people deserve someone that's not going to jump to irrational conclusions. So we had great testimony from people that were very credible witnesses,

and then we followed it up with additional testimony from people that were also extremely credible. And so I was frustrated that we did not have the whistleblower himself or herself that Michael Schellenberger was interviewing. Schellenberger was a great witness. And and does a great job as a journalist. But I'm kind of getting sick and tired of hearing about things secondhand, right? Even much of what Grush was talking about was secondhand conversation. And so now he's told me, I think he said so in the committee that there's more that he could say firsthand if we can get him into a skiff. And so ever since that first hearing, I've been trying to get David Grush.

figure out a way to get him into a skiff. We've been doing some research, and I think we're getting closer to figuring out how we can make that happen. Yeah, I'm sure, you know this. I probably don't have to tell you, but just through the channels of the, you know, different people that I talk to,

there's a lot that David Grush knows that he hasn't been able to put out into the public. So hopefully that can happen because... Yeah. And I specifically said, Anna, and the team, when it comes to the UFO stuff, I said, I think really we need to get all of the interested parties in a room for an extended period of time. Because generally speaking, this is what happens.

We bring in Arrow. We get one story from Arrow. Then we bring in somebody from the Office of Inspector General, and we get their perspective. And then we get in each time, we identify, okay, what you're saying does not line up with what the test. testimony was in the hearing. And honestly, just from getting those perspectives, I can actually see a path in which both believe that they are right, but also, and are telling the truth, but there's a little bit of falsehood in what they're telling, if that makes sense. So in other words, people may see something or have a conversation and believe and jump to the conclusion

that it's a certain thing when if you truly investigate it and you knew what you know you understood it from a different perspective you would understand you would see it completely differently but that being said i think until we get everybody in the same room in the same skiff then we can figure out who's telling the truth or what the truth really is right because you'll get multiple perspectives at the same topic and we'll be able to ascertain what's real. And I think that the other thing is that they'll hold each other accountable for sure. Boy, I know it has to be in a skiff, but man, I would love to see a video of that and have that be on the cameras because that would be a meeting like that would truly be something to

behold. Let me ask you this. If there is a third hearing, I know, you know, March 26th, I believe, do I have that date right, that representative Luna announced for a hearing that you guys were going to do about all the transparency task force dealings, March 26th? I'm not sure what the topic of that first hearing is going to be. I was, I believe that it's going to be JFK files. Okay. That was the first topic that we was on our, that we were on track to go after. And then at Epstein files were, we're supposed to be slated a little bit later.

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So with that in mind, on a third, let's say a third UAP hearing down the road, whenever that might be, is there a name that you, just you, Representative Eric Burleson, is there a name that kind of floats around in your head that you say that you haven't had on a witness stand yet to say, boy, I would really love to talk to this person at the next hearing. And would that name match someone you want to talk to in a skiff? Are they the same? So there are people that I've been working with Grush

and with some others that we've identified. So first, what I want to do is, have a skiff hearing with some individuals. And then I think that we can subpoena and bring forward some people that may, I think we're at a place where we need to bring forward people that we need to compel to come before the committee and tell the American people what's going on. So that's where I think that we need to get to is to get to that point. But Grush has been really good at helping me watch.

through you know a strategy of how to get to that point so there are some back behind-the-scenes dealings currently that you're going through to try to where you're working with David Grush to try to figure out basically what is the next move and who to talk to that's right okay and so with that and I think Anna Anna Anna Plain Luna has been very gracious she's kind of let me take that kind of as a as a role on her on her task force and so I'm happy to do what I can help. Oh, and that's, that's fantastic.

Is there, so you're focusing on the UAP issue then? That that's kind of. That's right. Okay. Now, is, is anyone else focusing that on that with you as like their number one project or are you the like the UAP guy on the Transparency Task Force? I, I think that Tim Burchett is obviously, you know, very heavily involved. But when it comes to organizing right now at this point,

that's what I've been tasked with, is to try to put together a plan. Okay. So I guess with that in mind, I mean, are you thinking, is 2025 a realistic year where there would be a third UAP hearing? Or is it too early? Yes. We will probably have a hearing. I mean, it's very, very likely that we will have a hearing. And if you've got, I would love to do a series of hearings. And then, and then, but ultimately my end goal is to get some of these individuals that, that we've identified that still work for the federal government or still, you know, we're part of these programs to have to come forward and, you know, under oath, tell us what was going on. I think that's the end goal.

But there's no reason why we shouldn't have a series of hearings. And for some people, we don't necessarily need to have an official hearing. We could have field hearings, which is, or like a member hearing. that way we can move a lot faster and have more regular meetings. Now, under a member meeting or a field hearing, people are not under oath, but it doesn't mean that we can't try to get at least some information. Sure. And so when we talk about a series, that's actually a pretty big deal because I know a lot of people

have clamored for that. I think Stephen Bassett, who I'm sure you're familiar with there in D.C., I've spoken to him a couple of times here on UAP, and he's even talked about, you know, Congress should try to get together like a three-day hearing. So is that kind of like the end goal for you? Is that something you want to try to put together? We'll see. And so if you've got people,

if there are people who have any ideas on who we need to have in a series of hearings, then please reach out to my office. And we would love to hear what your ideas are. Yeah, that's great. On the Transparency Task Force abilities, this is, This question I know has been posed before, and I think it's been even answered a couple of times, but it's still kind of murky. So I want to bring it to you, what are the powers of the Transparency Task Force?

Can you a subpoena and can you be declassify? We cannot declassify. We are not the agency that can declassify. We can put the pressure on the agency to declassify. But now we do all we do have subpoena power. has to go through the chairman, Mr. Jamie Comer, and then it has to get approval by the speaker, but we can subpoena people. We do that, we have that authority through the Oversight Committee.

And the Oversight Chairman is unique in that regard. I think he and the judiciary chairman are the only two that have subpoena power in Congress. And then we only got a few minutes left here, Eric, and I have like 17 million other questions. But do you guys have the president's ear? on this? How interested is President Trump on this? I know that the administration is moving at light speed at this point, but is this a topic that comes up in his briefings or meetings or his interests? So I will say I've had limited conversations with Donald Trump. And so in those limited conversations, most of it, I have not had a chance to bring this up and don't want to

divert the topic that we are, that we're, the meeting is, was about, if that may, make sense? Sure. To just throw a completely, you know, monkey wrench into the conversation. That being said, I have reached out to people within the Trump administration within his inner circle, you know, Stephen Miller and some of the other policy contacts that we have and have made it clear that I would like their help in this regard. I've also, you know, reached out to Mike Walts, on multiple occasions, trying to make it clear that this is, you know, I need his help in this regard. Okay.

Oh, very good. How about speaker of the house, Mike Johnson? I know you mentioned as far as getting clearance through the speaker for subpoenas and things of that nature. Is Mike Johnson, is he willing to cooperate with an issue like this? I think to some extent, yes. This is certainly not his focus. And he truly has got a lot on his hands.

I mean, getting this reconciliation package to the floor and past took everything that they possibly could get. And it's going to take everything to actually get the actual package to the Senate. It's going to take everything the speaker has. So I don't, for him, this is, he does not have time for this. But I don't think that it means that he's going to block us. Okay. So if it comes up, if it's something that ends up happening, It's a conversation he's willing to have at least.

Yes. And then I think you've also got, you know, a great new chairman of intelligence, Rick Crawford. I think that if I would encourage the UAP community to, you know, reach out to him in his office and let him know how much, how important it is for him to be helpful in this process. Very cool. Real quick, before we go, Eric,

I wanted to get this question in the, before we were done. Have you ever had a personal experience? Something you saw in the sky that you thought was strange, anything like that. And how did you become interested in the topic in the first place? I have not had any personal experience. And so I can't speak to that. But I just am interested in general. I'm a nerd. I love the study science and physics. And I personally, the really the advanced science about what is behind what we're seeing is what intrigues me more than anything, regardless of whether it's, it's a human origin or non-human origin. That's what intrigues me the most. And so that's what, that's what draws me to this topic. Would you guys

be willing to have conversations in a hearing about, you know, things like, again, this might be a stigma, not a cliche, but kind of like a cloud around it, things like zero point energy, you know, free energy, things of that nature that might actually be part of the technology about how these UAP even operate? Yes, I would. That to me is really a fascinating topic and want to bring forward people. I have my own subcommittee that I'm the chairman of, and a lot of my hearings are about advanced manufacturing, AI, you know, small nuclear reactors.

Everything that we know of that's advanced, you know, quantum computing, that is the committee that I'm sharing in oversight. And so I'm trying to push the envelope there on conventional, like things that we know are in our, you know, in the public space. But when it comes to this task force, hopefully we can bring forward some people that will give us a glimpse as to what has not been disclosed, at least a broad sense of understanding of what's out there. That's fantastic. I wish we had more time, Eric. Hopefully I can have you on again sometime in the future. Absolutely. Yeah, no, it's awesome.

I appreciate it. And I would also love to get on, if you don't mind spreading the word. I'd love to have on Timber Chet, Nancy Mays, Representative Lunoz, all of your, you know, cohorts in Congress down the line. That would be great to be able to talk to all of you here on UAP at some point. Yep. Happy to make that connection. Awesome. Representative Eric Burleson, thank you so much for joining UAP here today.

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And again, I could have talked to him for triple the amount of time then we got there during that interview. But you heard there, he would love to come back on. And he's going to try to connect me with the other representatives who are part of this transparency task force and have worked on the UAP issue. I'm going to hold him to both. And you heard him say that. He listens to the show.

So, Eric, I'm going to hold you to both. I'm going to get you back on here on the show. And we're going to try to make those connections to have on some of your other fellow members of Congress to get here on UAP and talk about these issues. And I can't wait for all of that to take place. And, of course, I'll keep you all updated on when that's going to happen. But again, thank you to Representative Eric Burleson. That was really great. And I appreciate that time.

And his openness and his candor during the interview was, it was fantastic, really. but a couple highlights for me just if I could pick a couple and I wonder what yours are of course you could always let me know through direct messages on social media and through email which I'll give all that in just a few minutes if you've never heard me give it before but just some of the highlights for me were really the inner workings I love to see how the sausage is made so to speak right like how does how do the cogs move all with each other to make a clock work

all the different things like that what are the mechanics of Congress and how does this all work together with Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, with Cash Patel and the FBI, and some of these other big issues like the Epstein files and the JFK files, how does it all play together and what is the communication like? So I really enjoyed kind of seeing, you know, that the inner workings there of communication and lack of communication, really, when it came to that scenario that we were speaking about in the beginning of the episode.

So I liked seeing that. I really like learning about, you know what? You know, we see them on TV, we hear them in clips, but these are just people like us, and they're trying to do their jobs. And just like with any of us who might have coworkers, there may not be as high profile as the attorney general or the president of the United States, quite frankly, but they're all just people. And just like with anybody that you work with in your job, there might be some, you know,

cross lines, miscommunications, lack of communication. Like these are the things that happen in everyday life in your in your job. I'm sure it's happened in my job with people that I work with in my line of broadcasting. So it's it was it was very interesting to kind of get that glimpse behind the scenes, the inner workings of how that breakdown of communication can happen between an attorney general and members of Congress and how that can affect in, you know, an investigation on many different fronts. So I thought that was really interesting to. learn about and hopefully you know we're able to have better communication in the future which i know eric was was talking about as well of course to future hearings i really really wanted to get that question in there so i'm glad we got to talk about that it was it even went down a path that

um i wasn't expecting you know where he's i didn't know that he's been in contact with david grush that they're actively working together behind the scenes to you know talk with people even outside of hearings to talk with what he wants which is firsthand witness I thought I was really encouraging to hear him say, and I didn't really get to highlight it during our conversation, really, because I didn't want to put too much of my own personal opinion in the conversation. I wanted to, you know, get Eric Burleson's point of view with all the questions I was asking. But one thing that stuck in my head was when he said he's tired of secondhand witnesses, when he said that, I'm like, yes, thank you. Thank you. So are we.

We're all tired of secondhand witnesses. And that's not to disrespect anybody like a Tim Galadette or anybody like that. We appreciate their efforts. We appreciate their work very much so because they're still risking a lot. Even if you're a secondhand witness, you're still risking a lot coming out and speaking. So that's no disrespect. But we're at the stage. And I think this is what Representative Burles who is getting at.

And I completely agree with him is that it feels like we're at the stage where we need first-hand accounts. And we need to have those meetings in this gift. like Eric spoke about with David Grush, that he wants to really get him in that skiff. And that's another thing that stuck out to me. They still, ever since that first hearing in the summer of 2023, we're talking a year and a half ago,

where a year and a half removed from that first hearing in the summer of 23. And they still haven't been able to get David Grush into a skiff. I mean, that's unreal. And again, I know that's not a knock-on effort. it's definitely not for a lack of effort. They've been trying to do it, but that just goes to show

how much is behind the scenes that prevents these things from happening. We're members of Congress, parts of an oversight committee, members of an oversight committee in our transparency task force are tasked with trying to do these things and create, and, you know,

create transparency, uncover these secrets, so to speak. And they're stonewalled for a year and a half. They've been trying to get David Grush and this gift. It's just wild to me that the stuff really takes place behind the scenes and they have all this trouble trying to get it done. Can you imagine being a member of Congress and just having doors shutting your face over and over again as you're trying to make these things happen? I'm sure it's unimaginably frustrating. So hopefully, you know, as frustrated as we are sometimes as part of the UFO, UAP community and, you know, podcasters and hosts and contacts and

content creators, whatever term you want to use, advocates even, which is what I would consider myself, is an advocate in this issue. It's frustrating for us on the outside looking in, right, when we don't get results or see a certain movement that we're hoping to see, you know, the moving of the needle, something like that. And so I can only imagine as frustrating as it is to us, how frustrating it is to someone like an Eric Burleson or Timberchette or a Nancy Mace or Representative Luna, who are actually on the front lines of this in Congress, and they're being stonewalled. So really, really insightful stuff there from Eric to learn that this is stuff they're still

trying to actively do, and they're running into barriers. And we hope that just continue to push forward, which obviously he's going to, you heard there, have more hearings, like he said, wants to have a series of hearings. So a lot here that I thought was very significant. And everything that I just mentioned, what they're trying to do behind the scenes, working with David Grush to try to get firsthand witnesses and to have these, you know, more witnesses come forward, all these different things that we're able to touch on. And I'm glad I was able to clarify what the powers of the task force are as far as not being able to declassify because there was some confusion with that recently. They cannot declassify, but they can subpoena. And he feels like you heard there that they might need to do that in order to compel some people.

people kind of give that little extra push to come forward and either testify under oath at a hearing or at least, you know, behind the scenes maybe in a skiff one way or the other. And how about him saying that he's open to suggestions and even asking for suggestions for who they should bring on next to any of the hearings? So if you have ideas, of course, we all have names and ideas of who should be in there. Is it Jason Sands? Is it out put off? Is it Ashton Forbes? Is it who is it? Who is it? who do you want to see on the next hearing in front of Congress? I mean, there's a lot of names that we can throw out,

but you heard Eric Burleson say it there. Give those suggestions to his office. I think that's a pretty cool idea. You never know, they might show up. And it was good to hear that he's interested in zero point energy. I thought that was really cool just to hear that science aspect. And that he does see. And, you know, that encourages me that maybe other members of Congress

and of the task force do see that correlation of advanced technology. and how it could all kind of play a role together here. So a lot of good stuff. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you found it as informative and insightful as I did. And I just want to thank the representative, again, Eric Burleson, for coming on here to the show and for listening. That's awesome.

I had no idea that he was a listener and a subscriber. So flattered to hear that. So thank you again for that part. And once again, Eric, spread the word there. Maybe just take out the headphones when you're sitting in front of the other representatives and let them hear over here what you're listening to. Maybe that could work. But no, again, thank you.

And I look forward to future conversations with him and other members of Congress here on UAP. But other than that, can be up next on UAP. It's a jam-packed couple of episodes here because in episode 118, you're going to hear from another person that I've been wanting to speak to for a long time. And it was very, very appreciative that he made time to do it

with Chris Bloodsoe. A lot of information in this. We spoke for about an hour. and I'm undecided on how I want to present that one part or two parts. I'll be honest, right now I'm leaning towards just putting it all out there in one part. I feel like, as right now, as I'm speaking to you, I feel like that's the right way to present this one. It feels better served as just one long episode. But I'll let you know before, as I'm putting it out, obviously when I come back for episode 118,

where you hear that interview with Chris Bloodsoe and myself. we went over everything that you can think of. The Sean Ryan interview, his backstory, of course, what's in this book UFO of God. Did he really say that? He's predicting the second coming of Jesus on Easter of 2026. What happened with that clip that went viral from the Sean Ryan show? How does spirituality play into all this? Who is the lady?

Who is Tim Taylor? What is his relationship with him? All these questions that we got into just completely enthralling. stuff that's again that was another guy and i even said it to while we were talking i could have spoken to him for three four or five hours and um i have a feeling that chris and i just like with eric relson we'll be speaking again in the future and maybe even doing some uh some things together outside of uap so i'm not going to give too much away there but i really am looking forward to hearing that really good stuff from chris bloodsoe coming up on the next episode of uap for episode

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