UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 122 A Fresh Look in to Lue Elizondo

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

Stephen Diener brings on fellow UFO researcher and podcaster, Dan Warren, to discuss his biggest takeaways after interviewing one of the most recognizable names in all of Ufology, Lue Elizondo. Did he drop some breadcrumbs about the existence of a secret UFO video? All of that and much more on this episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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He doesn't really go after people. He doesn't try to start drama on social media or anything like that, again, which I always appreciate because I try to stay in that lane as well. I'm not trying to start drama unless it's, you know, calling out Stephen Green Street, but that's a different story. But I always enjoyed his work because he really puts it in plain terms when it comes comes to this discussion and tries to make sense out of it. It kind of takes the same approach that I do when it comes to the UAP discussion.

So I was fortunate enough to reach out to Dan last week and said, hey, we'd love to have you on the show. And he obliged. So Dan Warren is going to be joining me here today on UAP to discuss a lot of different things in the topic, including, you know, what we found out the speculation behind the report coming out of Egypt. Of course, I just had that episode detailing that report, but Dan is able to show had some unique insight on that subject. So I was glad I got to talk to him about that. He's a big

ancient history buff and he's also a mechanical engineer by trade. So it was good to be able to get into some of that with him and get that perspective on things. But mostly, and we get into his background, how did he get into this conversation? Why is he interested in it? Where does the name, the fifth pillar of emphasis come from? I thought that was really interesting. And you actually may know that backstory, but it was very cool to hear him tell it. And, Mostly, though, I really wanted to get him on the show to speak about his interview with Lou Elizando. He had Lou on his show with him. They spoke for about an hour.

It's getting a lot of praise from people who have heard it, including myself. I thought he did a really great job with it. And just to be able to get Lou on his show really says something as well because it's hard to get Lou on the show. I've never had him on here. So I am working on that, by the way. And we'll see what happens in the future. But I was happy to have on Dan to discuss what he learned and his takeaways from interviewing Louis Alizondo on his show to kind of come together and impart all that to you and kind of

put the pieces together and how it relates to everything going on right now within the UFO, UAP topic. So really cool discussion here, really smart guy, had a lot of fun talking to him. So hopefully you enjoy listening as much as I enjoyed conducting the interview as well. So we're going to bring you that interview now. And make sure to stick around until the end because I do have some final thoughts and things to come back on and elaborate on that Dan and I spoke about to kind of put a nice little bow on it, if you will, to wrap this up for today. But for now, enjoy this interview with myself and Dan Warren. Going over, like I said, a lot of great topics, including his big takeaways from his interview with Lou Elizando.

All right here today on this episode of UAP. Enjoy. Dan, thanks for coming on. We've never gotten to speak before. It's the first time we've met. They've kind of admired each other's work from afar. So I'm glad to have you on UAP here today. Well, thank you for inviting me.

It's always nice to meet new faces in the UFO conversation, especially those that aren't bitter already. So that makes it easier to have these conversations. Yeah, exactly right. And I know there's a few of us who aren't bitter. So whenever we can find each other, that's good. But no, you know, there's a lot that I wanted to cover with you actually. So I'm glad we get to talk here today. And first off, before we get into

something that I thought, you know, you did a great job with it and you began a lot of high praise, your recent interview with the one and only Lou Elizando, which kudos against you for getting him because I know that's not an easy accomplishment. So well done on that. But before we get into that interview, I want to ask you about yourself first, you know, about how you got into this conversation, this topic of uphology, if you will, because I know, We all have our own stories about what was the progression, what was the evolution like to bring you into this conversation. So what is your story when it comes to how did you come into being so involved with the UFO topic? And then ultimately creating your own show.

Well, there's two separate answers to that question. One is how it got into the UFO topic. And that was many, many years ago when I was a small child. And it was a combination of racing thoughts. insomnia. So at night, when I was 10 years old, I was staring at the ceiling all hours of the night and just thinking about stuff. And it eventually leads you to start thinking about some of the bigger questions of life. One thing that stuck with me that I was scared of, but also fascinated by, was the concept of infinity and both in terms of space, like how can it just keep going and going

and going forever, as well as for time. So once you start thinking about that, you start to realize the world that you live on, the earth, everything, all the human experience is just a small fraction of a whole, that we're just a small peon and a much bigger environment. So that makes you start thinking, well, if we're here, is there someone else here as well? So that made me start to think about life on other planets of, and is there a possibility that they could be visiting us? I was also heavily influenced by the Transformers because I was an 80s baby. So, I was comfortable with artificial intelligence, creatures, probes, if you will, from other civilizations coming to Earth and interacting with humanity. They're the original non-human intelligence in my early childhood.

But I started to get involved in the UFO conversation. I joined Twitter in 2016. I ended up getting stock in to the Stars Academy because I really wanted to have skin in the game. and wanted to actually participate instead of just watching. So I wanted to support the effort in any way I can, could, and that was the opportunity for me. And a lot of people make fun of me about it, but I swear to you that the piece of paper that stock is written on

is going to be worth more in the future as a novelty than the actual stock itself. So I'm happy to have a piece of UFO history like that. But then I just started to want it to get more and more involved in the conversation and do what I can. I noticed that there was a gap. There's a lot of us that like to talk about the high level that go real deep into the topic, but there wasn't a lot of introductory level content out there to simplify it into a form that people that aren't familiar with the subject can readily absorb and learn from.

So I tried to put my foot in the water by starting on TikTok. And it's everything you need in one app to be able to record, edit, and post. So I just started learning and learning and got. got better and better as you do when you do something over and over again, learn from my failures, and then it's picked up. And that's kind of the trajectory that I've been on since then. It's just an organic growth. And I'm still trying to do the same thing.

I'm still trying to make sure that I'm focusing on content that someone that's unfamiliar with this topic is going to be able to learn something from. And hopefully piqued their interest enough to get them to watch a show like the UAP podcast that we're on right now and and dig a little bit deeper because you got to start with the spark to get them to actually get invested there's you've probably experienced the same thing I have you can't just go to someone and be like hey I want to talk to you about UFOs they're not going to want anything to do without a conversation or you after the fact so if you can just throw some information out there and if you get a if you get a bite on your hook then you know you can talk a little bit more

about it and the stigma is removed at that point so you can have a better conversation at that point without being defensive about why you're interested in this topic in particular. Yeah, no, that's a great answer, man. It's deep. It's very introspective. So I appreciate that for sure. It's really good. What would you tell people about your show, just to start kind of a little bit, you know, on your content?

For anybody who says, oh, wow, Dan Warren, okay, I'm going to look into. And obviously, you have a great audience as it is. But for anybody who hasn't already looked into your show and your content, What would you tell them about it to make them say, oh, okay, let me, let me see what this is about. I've proudly claim that if you watch the minute per minute most dense UFO information that you can get is the content that I produce. Because my goal is to keep it short. Keep it just to the high points, dig down a little bit deeper, connect dots. It's the most concise form of UFO information and news that you can get out there, bar.

none in my opinion you can watch an hour and a half long documentary i would have gotten it wrapped up in three minutes so you can that that's my go-to uh claim to fame i am the fast food version of ufo podcast and movies that's fantastic that's that's a great like elevator pitch you know what i mean like just to put it that way that's really good i do want to ask you too maybe this this is just my own curiosity. Maybe I'm the only one who's curious about it. The fifth pillar of emphasis. I think it's just such a fascinating name. Where does that come from? How did you come up with it and settle on that as part of what you do in your show? So like I said, I was an investor in TTSA right when they came out. And one of the things that came out shortly after they announced their

organization is they said that they were going to focus on the five pillars of emphasis. And I'm Sorry, I have a neighbor that has a dog that's barking in the corner over here. Oh, good. You can't hear it too loudly. But the first pillar of emphasis is legislative engagement. The second is a senior executive engagement, i.e. the president. The third is international engagement. The fourth is media engagement.

And that leads you to the fifth pillar of emphasis, which is engaging the masses, engaging with the people. That's the only one that I can contribute to. directly. So that was kind of the inspiration behind my channel is I'm not going to solve this problem. I'm not going to be able to find the answers that everyone's looking for, but I can contribute the little bit that I can to this conversation in hopes to advance it just a little bit further down the road so that we eventually do get answers in the future. So I'm just doing my part to engage with the masses and my channel fifth pillar of emphasis is reflection of that.

That's fantastic. So I was kind of playing around in just a little bit of a little bit earlier when I said, geez, you know, how did you get Lou on the show? Now, obviously, like we said, you know, you have great content. There's no reason why he shouldn't be on with you. So I'm glad that he was able to come on with you. So speaking of that interview, let's kind of dig into that a little bit. You know, it's getting really high praise. So first of all, congratulations on the interview.

Can I elaborate on how I got Lou? Oh, sure. A little bit of my history with him. me and him have been interacting on Twitter for several years. I've interviewed him in the past when I was on UFO Garage with Ben and Joe. He came on and we were able to, I was able to meet him for the first time there. But what happened one time, this is a connection that not a lot of people know about. Okay.

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I wrote a letter to Tim Burchett when he first came onto the scene because I'm from Tennessee, I'm two counties or two districts over from him. So he talked about all the things that I'm interested in. So I wrote him three handwritten letters, one to Washington, one to his Knoxville office, and one to his other office, which I can't remember where it is exactly. And I just said, I'm just voicing my support for what you're doing. I'm just a regular guy that's interested in this topic and I want more information on it. And I want the truth from the government on it.

And I gave him my information a week goes by and my phone rings on a Friday night. I remember it distinctly because I'm out on my carport cleaning up. Phone rings a number. I don't I don't recognize. I answer it anyway. And he's like, hey, is this Dan? This is Tim Burchick from Knoxville. So he calls me back.

And we just have this conversation about what's going on. This is years and years ago. Wow. And at the end of it, he was like, hey, do you know that Lou Elizondo guy? And I said, I do, but I don't have his phone number or anything. And he's asked if I could get him in contact. So me, I reached out to a UFO garage, Ben in particular, because they had his contact information.

So we ended up connecting Tim Burchett and Lou Elizondo after that podcast. So after that, that kind of set the hook because I've been. continuing having a conversation with him over the past years just intermittently. But then I finally was like, all right, man, I got to have you on an interview where I can ask you the questions that I don't think anyone else has asked you yet that I want the answers to. So then I just basically hit him up on DMs and he said yes. That's awesome. Well, no, fantastic job. I mean, you know, you talk about the pillars of emphasis.

I mean, you hit a couple of them right there. We just found out that you connected Tim Burchett with Willizondo. So with a little help for my friends. Yeah. That's all right. That's all right. You're helping to push the, you know, disclosure conversation forward there, I would say. So that's awesome.

Great story. So when it comes to the interview, again, high praise. Everybody's loving it. So what did you take away from it personally once it was all set and done and you sat back and you're like, all right, I finally got to do that? What were some of your initial thoughts once the record button went off? My first thought was, man, I wish this was longer because I didn't get to nearly as many questions as I had laid out and ready for them. But if you've watched a Lou interview, you can just basically say, hey, Lou, thanks for joining the show today.

And then that's pretty much it. He can go and go. He's got the gift of gab. But the big thing that I took away from it is this is a long game. and we, me, you, we all need to keep on pushing or else it's going to lose momentum. So it's the most grassroots effort I've ever been part of. Sure, we've got our bad actors. We've got our fights just like any other community out there.

But we are all pushing towards the same goal, the truth. And that's what I took away from it is we all got to keep pushing. We can't quit now. What do you think he is as far as, you know, and I ask this question because a lot of times people on, on social media try to like take different clips from Lou and like decipher them like they're the Da Vinci Code. I mean, it's wild when I see some things and like, oh, more breadcrumbs from Lou. Is that your takeaway from him? Do you feel like he's trying to leave breadcrumbs with some of the things that he says because he knows he can't say too much due to different clearances? and obviously issues with breaking any of those clearances,

or do people look in too much into some of the answers that he gives? What's your take on that? Both can be true at the same time. I definitely think he leaves us breadcrumbs because he's even told us that he does. So ever since then, yes, I'm looking for breadcrumbs. And even in the interview that I had, I took breadcrumbs and I went too far with them. So that was kind of a check for me. Like, hey, I can come up.

I'm trying to connect the dots. I'm trying to put these breadcrumbs in order to make a loaf. But sometimes you don't do it right. And that's the case for everybody. I am constantly on the lookout for breadcrumbs from him as well as other voices in the community. But you can also get them wrong if you don't, if you get a little bit ahead of yourself. So it's just part of being a human trying to see something that might not be there. We all suffer from it, and I'm guilty of it as well, just like anybody else.

But yes, I do believe Lou drops breadcrumbs for us to follow up on. What were some of the ones that you felt like you picked up on that made you say, ooh, let me try to follow up on that. So the biggest one to me is the comment that he made on Kurt Jomongles' theories of everything show where he says that he was told a story by a gray-haired guy and I think the DIA, that something happened 70,000 years ago to humanity that catapulted us from the middle of the food chain to the top of the food chain virtually instantly. So to me, that I'm an ancient history buff. I love ancient civilizations, particularly the megalithic architecture producing civilizations.

So anything that talks about our deep, ancient forefathers is going to peak my interest. So I'm going to dig into that a little bit more. So that was the big breadcrumb that he dropped that no one seemed to follow up on. No one tried to come up with an explanation as to what the event was. I did hear someone ask a question at one of his city winery talks. They asked him what happened at that time. And he said, well, it could have been a multiple, multiple things could have occurred. Like maybe we got the opposable thumb and he was just throwing examples out there.

But I wanted to dig down a little bit deeper and see if he would divulge any information that would allow us to focus our sites on any particular area that would give us the answer to that question, which I thought was potentially in our DNA, because he has mentioned that the DNA is probably the most, the best longevity that you can get for information transmission would be through self-replicating DNA instead of like putting it on the moon, instead of putting in an orbit, instead of encasing it in a diamond suitcase. Like DNA is going to last longer than all of those things. So that's what I was trying to dig into.

And what I found was 74,000 years ago, there was a super volcano that erupted called Toba. And it was in the Indonesia area. It was the largest volcano in the last 2.5 million years. It was 11,000 times greater than Mount St. Helen's eruption. And then it caused basically. global climate change and the population of Earth took a nose dive. So we ended up, according to the DNA research that has been done, were reduced to about a thousand breeding pairs of humans at

70,000 years ago, which just so happens to align with what Lou Elisando was stating. So I pushed them on that a little bit and asked them, what is it that, or is there something in our DNA that would correlate or make sense out of the sudden uprising in humanity at the same time we were on our knees on the verge of extinction. Like what could have happened at that time that to cause that trajectory change? And of course, I was hoping he was going to say something like, oh, we got an intervention from a non-human intelligence or something occurred that we could really do. Of course, he's not

going to answer it in that manner, but I was going to try anyway. So that was the biggest breadcrum that I follow up on and I'm still hoping to get more information out of them on that one day. I mean, it's such a wide-ranging, you know, discussion that you can have with a question like that and something that pops into my head just to get your take on it personally. I mean, where do you stand on the question of, you know, genetic engineering? You know, we just saw a lot of the things with the great pyramids in Giza. You know, a lot of talk about that.

What might be under those structures? I mean, do you think that there is a point in ancient history where we could be looking at some type of genetic engineering, like something out of, you know, the movie Prometheus, you know, those types of ancient engineering theories? So I am not going to sit here and say that I 100% believe that happened. But what I will say is I find it really hard to believe that the way that humans exist on this planet, it's always. almost like we don't belong here. You can put a human out in any environment in the world, and we're not going to serve. We're barely going to survive.

If you put another animal out in their natural habitat, they're going to thrive. But we can't as humans go out into the wilderness and thrive. We barely, I get sunburned if I'm outside for 15 minutes. So I'm just not built for this. So it's striking that we're able to dominate this world without the, at the same time, it dominates us. So it seems like incompatible almost.

So that's confusing to me. But do I think that there could be something that has changed in our past that was influenced by another civilization? Very, very much so. I think that's a definite possibility. What form that comes in, I don't know. It could be just selective, I'll call it selective breeding out for a lack of better terms. But if you look at corn that's been grown over the centuries, the corn we have today is nothing like the corn that existed a few thousand years ago. It thrives today because we picked the corn that had the largest seeds on it.

So it wasn't something that we actually manipulated genetically, but we just were selective in which ones we took with us and planted and elected to grow and helped to grow. So maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's an influence. Maybe it's not a direct genetic modification to what we do. But we sure have a lot of capabilities that seem to be unique to humanity. Of course, our ability to utilize tools in a level that far exceeds anything else on the planet. And I do know that chimpanzees can get termites out of termite hills with a piece of straw. But we're aiming for Mars.

It's a different level thing. So it's hard for me to believe that we're from here. and there's where they're so unique is what i what i boil it down to it's a fascinating discussion i mean i can just go on an hour with with that right there but that's just something that popped you know kind of popped into my head that i want to bring up because it is something you know an idea that fascinates me so much so wanted to get your your take on that as well um but just to kind of jump back into one of the things i know that really um i guess kind of sticks in your in your focus which is the gimbal video.

Now, obviously, one of the most famous UFO videos of all time. What do you think is going to happen with this? I know you've been clamoring for releasing the entire four-minute video. Have you heard anything about what might be in that four-minute video? And if not, what are you expecting or hoping to see if that ever does come out? So I thought we were going to get it. when Representative Luna asked Ryan Graves what happened after the video cut out. But unfortunately, he just described what happened at the end of the 34-second version of the video.

When she asked that question, my hope skyrocketed. So what I'm hoping that we're going to find out, and Lou actually commented that it's not just there's more video after the 34 seconds, but there's more video before the 34-second clip starts. So we could learn a lot more about what that object, was potentially that it was flying in a formation when they referenced the look at the essay. There's a whole fleet of them. So there's a lot that I think we could learn from it.

I think that it would be the ammunition we need to either put the video to rest and say, oh, Mick West was right. It is a jet from a distance. And it's just viewed at this odd angle. And what an unfortunate series of camera effects. Or it's going to be undeniable proof that this thing turned and then accelerated instantaneously, and that's where they stopped filming it is right before it actually did something that is indisputable. My big question to Lou that he didn't answer about that was

I've sent Susan Go, the public affairs officer for the Pentagon that's tasked with basically keeping a lid on all the UFO stuff, multiple emails where I've said, hey, can you confirm if Arrow has access to the full video of the gimbal video. Because if they have it and they haven't debunked it, that says something. Or if they haven't been given access to the full four-minute video, someone's gatekeeping information and keeping it away and out of the hands of Arrow. So either answer that I get is a clue for us. And that, of course, leads us to the immaculate constellation.

rumored program that is basically a filtering system for all UFO related information. And they assign who can and who can't get it, which is one of the major flaws with the NASA UFO investigation because they were strictly working with the unclassified information. So they're not going to get any of the good stuff. So all they're going to get is the stuff that this giant filter within the government is going to allow them to see. So it seems like if we get the rest of the gimbal video, we'll know if it is displaying any of the five observables

more than what we see in the shorter clip. Or we're going to get it and put it to bed and we're going to be able to move on to something else. But the fact that they're not sharing it makes me think that there's definitely something more to it than we know. Hey, guys. So before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us.

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Has he alluded to that before? Well, the only way that he would allude to seeing it is the fact that he said there's more before. I didn't know that there was more before. Right. But that being the case, he didn't come out and straightforward say it. But I would have to think if he's the guy that was able to access the video and get a

portion of it cleared for public release, that he's seen the whole thing. So I have a hard time believing he didn't have access to it at some point because he said that he's had access to even better videos, that the 4K images, 23 minute long videos, things along those lines. So if he has access to those, surely he has access to the one that he carried out of the Pentagon and delivered to us. Yeah. You would think so. Right. I mean, absolutely. And on the on the other end, though, you know, what struck me recently, I've had, I had on Representative Eric Burleson, I was

privileged to have him on the show here just a few weeks back. And what really struck me was the level of frustration that they feel in Congress. They truly don't. have the information. And they, you know, because I think a lot of people sometimes say, oh, well,

they'll just covering, you know, they know what's really going on. They just don't want to say it. They really have stuff hidden from them. Like when Nancy Mace comes out or Representative Luna or Burchett, you know, all these different,

you know, congressmen and women, and they come out and they're asking these questions. They sincerely don't know. And it's super frustrating for them to not have the information. So, I mean, what do you think,

where do you think this road goes now with something like the task force and David Grush being brought on with Representative Burleson? I mean, how do you see something like that playing out? And did Lou Elizando get into that at all with you as well as far as that being a road forward in disclosure? That happened. That occurred after I interviewed Lou. So he didn't have any comments on that one.

I'll get that out of the way. But what I think is going to happen with David Grush's support is all of a sudden, we're going to know exactly what rock to look under, we being the representatives that are on our side. I think that they're doing the best they can to navigate the complex world, that is the military industrial complex, that was designed to keep things secret. And it started from its creation.

If you look back at the 70-year sub-Rosa disclosure UFO cover-up, I think that it started off because we wanted to keep secrets within our government from ourselves because we had a bunch of Russian spies that were infiltrating the United States government at the time. So they couldn't just share this information openly. So they had to find a way to keep it from getting leaked to potential spies. So they had to put this at that level is higher than the atomic bomb secrets just to make sure that it didn't leak out. And I think we still suffer from that designed system today. It's still the echoes, the DNA of that system exists. today. And that's what our elected officials are running into this decades long complex cover

up just to keep them in the dark. And if they finally get grush on there, they're going to be able to find the locations to ask questions, who to direct it to, the types of questions that they're going to be able to ask that they need to be able to ask those individuals. And overall, I hope that they find something that maybe he can support them with their ability to get subpoenas so that that they can call forward hostile as well as cooperative witnesses to learn more information about what's been going on behind the scenes that has been kept from them. So I think David Grush is a roadmap to the truth. And I mean, I've got high hopes. Who won't in this war in this UAP conversation? But I'm also ready for him to come out and say, well, I tried my best and

it's still difficult. As George Knapp will tell you, the closer you get to the actual prize, the more resistance that you're going to encounter. That's right. And no, I think that's a really good way to put it. Because another thing that really struck me when I spoke to Representative Burleson was he had been trying since the first congressional hearing back in the summer of 2023 to get David Grush in the skiff. Of course, we all remember when Grush was saying, I can tell you more in a skiff.

I can tell you more in a skiff. And now this was before, when I spoke to him, it was before. he added David Grush to the team and that they announced that they were going to have that skiff with Grush and, you know, Lou and all these different people, Melon. But when I was speaking to him a couple weeks ago, he's like, I still haven't been able to get Grush into a skiff. So I can only imagine the level of resistance, like you said, that they feel. So what is your feel? Now, now that we did get that news about all the big names getting into a skiff together, just from your perspective and what you do. do on your show and in your content on where do you think or what do you think we might find out

from that if anything because obviously that's a pretty you know high secure situation so my my greatest hope is that we find out and we can put to rest the cyclical reporting claims that are thrown about by several people in the community that this is all nothing everybody's just playing a game of telephone we we might not be able to get to the prize in one step but maybe if we can start to go through the process of elimination. And that's what I think has played out over the course of the last few years. When this conversation started in 2017, it was all about, well, it could be Russia or China. When was the last time you heard someone say, this is probably Russia or China?

That's definitely gone to the wayside. I think that that's going to be something that we move forward with, that we gain going forward is we're going to be able to eliminate and take other things off of the table, including the cyclical reporting, which is one thing that. Sean Kirkpatrick, the former director of Arrow, was putting forward as the explanation for it all. I have a real hard time believe in that. It's the root cause of it, and that explains it all the way because this goes on for decades. It's not just something new. And it's from people that you don't, that people outside of the military industrial complex are contributing to this conversation for that entire duration of time. So it seems impossible to me for that to be the root cause of it. That's what I hope comes out of it.

Of course, I have higher hopes that they're going to be able to release more videos and pictures and the satellite imagery that former director of national intelligence, John Ratcliffe, went on the Fox News and stated before the world that not a lot of people are paying attention to, but there's satellite 4K satellite imagery of UAPs that's floating around out there and when can we see it. That's right. There's so much. And there's so much to these topics. And I've had such a great time talking about them. And I could dig deeper for the next hour, but I thought we only have about 10 minutes left here, unfortunately. But it's just, again, these topics, I love getting into these with you. And so I'm glad that we got to do this here today.

Before we're done though, Dan, I wanted to ask you something that brought up earlier. And you said you're a big fan of the ancient part of this conversation. And we brought up the pyramids earlier. What was your reaction? And what's your take now as we're, you know, about a week or so removed from the news that broke about? the supposed structures that were found underneath the Great Pyramids of Giza. I had that same feeling I get when I find like a $20 bill on the ground. Like, oh, it's so good.

Like, oh, this is great. And then I quickly, like, had to check myself like, okay, claims have been made in the past. Let's not jump the gun and let's see. Because this is an incredible claim. I did the numbers. I ran the math. and the volume that would have had to have been removed for the eight columns that go down and the two boxes that they interface with is greater than the volume of the Kafre pyramid itself. So it seems unlikely to me that they would put so much effort into something that they were going to cover up.

But it's just a ridiculously amazing claim that needed more support. And as things have played out, there was an Italian, A native Italian speaker who has a YouTube channel, I want to say his name is Megatron or Metatron. That's what it is. And he went and reviewed the four-hour interview that they put on. And he's a native speaker, so he understands the nuances of the language and what they're saying. And he had basically, he reigned on my parade. The way that the guys speak doesn't seem like they are as scientifically based as they claim

to be that they have a lot more optimism than is justified. So I don't think there's anything to it. Do I think that there's potential for voids underneath the pyramid and within the period of itself, 100%. I've heard Mark Lainer, learner, who is friends with his alley Hawass, who is the most anti-alturnative history for Egypt, at least guy on the planet. They even admit that the pyramids are more like Swiss cheese than cheddar. So I know that there's voids within the pyramid.

The scan pyramids project found the one void that they actually put a camera into, and then there's a lot in the Great Pyramid. And then they also found evidence of another large chamber above the Grand Gallery in the Great Pyramid as well. So I know there's things there. It goes back into even further where there's a bunch of underground tunnels that exist within the Giza Platy. that are barred from public entry. They have gates over them. So who knows what we're missing out on?

There's holes and tunnels underneath the sphinx. There's three of them. There's two at the base and there's one in the head that they've capped off as well. So I know that there's a lot more left to be found than what we know right now, but I'm afraid we're never going to get to it because of the resistance of some people that have control in those areas. So we have to use these non-invasive techniques. But for this one, I think it could be picking up on potential natural occurrences.

Like there's a lot of fissures and just natural cave systems in the Giza Plateau. But one of the guys that I look up to is ancient architects, Matt Seibon, and he put out a video that basically pours a lot of more hot water. I actually pull, it pours cold water on it because he has noted that there is a water table 50 feet beneath the, the ground of Giza. So if you are examining structures that go down 648 meters, you would think there would be a distinct line at the 50 foot mark where the water table is, because everything else is going to have a different density once it's filled with water. The SAR satellite imagery doesn't work as well in moisture-containing strata as it does in dry sandy-type soil. So the

more this goes on, the more doubt I have, and I don't think it's going to amount to much. And I also don't think that we're going to get in there to be able to investigate. It reminds me a lot of the underwater Cuban pyramids that were talked about probably about 20 years ago now. Those, the image that everybody thinks of when I say the pyramid complex that's on the bottom of the ocean just off the Cuban coast, there's an image that comes to mind. Well, it's a rendering of some data, and it's not to go from the information of the data that they had to the image and the rendering is a big jump. And I think that's what's happening here. I think they got some data. There's some uniqueness about it.

But I think they were generous with the interpretation of the data. Yeah, I'm glad I got your take on it because you do have a background in engineering, I believe, right? Like that's essentially what you do. Am I wrong on that? Correct. a mechanical engineer though not a civil engineer or geotechnical engineer or anything that but i am an ancient history nerd and i actually get to speak at the cosmic summit this year and i got to speak at it last year and that's a group of folks that although i'm the ufo guy in the room it's like luke caverns

uh ben sedgwick or i can't pronounce his last name from uncharted x a grant dang it now i'm forgetting everybody's name but a bunch of ancient alternative history buffs that go there and speak. So I'm deeply invested in the ancient human history aspect of what we don't know yet. There's so much mysteries. We are a species with amnesia. And I'm hoping that we can get some additional knowledge about where we came from in the future. Yeah, I love that.

And there's so many questions. Like, we feel that's my biggest thing with the pyramids is we feel there's something there. We all know as like a populace, whether you live in Egypt or you live in America or anywhere in between. We can all feel that there is mystery there, that there's questions waiting to be answered. And whatever those answers are, we don't know. Does it pertain to the recent study that was put out? Maybe. But there's something there, and especially with the Sphinx as well.

And I just think that's the part that really fascinates me, Dan, is we all feel that, but we just can't get those answers yet, and we want them. But I'm with you. My biggest concern is the resistance, the local resistance, the security that's around those areas. that really makes it extremely difficult, if not unfortunately impossible sometimes, to really quite literally dig into these things to find out those answers. But like I said, I think that's the biggest thing for me is that we all naturally feel that curiosity that even almost knowing that there's something there to learn and to know.

And just we all want to find out what that is. Well, it seems like it's not just in Egypt as well. It's in multiple locations all over the world. There is this, that's right. There is this situation that we find where the older stuff is better than the newer stuff. And my suspicion and several other people believe that there are civilizations that predated our known history. And they went to the wayside. And then humanity, as we know, it showed up.

And we inherited some of these sites around the world. Like if you look at Balbeck and Turkey, the stones that they're, they've used in that location on the base are enormous. I think they're 1,300 tons. They have what's called the trillathon stones that are, I think, 900 tons each at an elevation of about 30 feet. It's just amazing how much weight they were able to heave around and strategically place perfectly in these locations. But they credit that to the Roman Empire because they built on top of it. And so once, It's just like anything else. If you, if I come into you, if you buy a house and then you modernize it, you didn't build the house.

You just inherited a house for some way. So I think that there is evidence around the world that shows that we have inherited certain sites and we've built upon them. It's a common practice in humanity to build upon the sites that our forefathers put a lot of effort into because they thought it was important. And it's important to us because it was important to them. Absolutely. Just fascinating discussion. I'm so glad we got to touch on so much here and really, you know, in relatively a short amount of time, a pretty good amount of time. But I love touching on all this here with you today, Dan, and just all these topics. And I hope we can do it again soon. So where can people find you actually? Just to be anybody who hasn't, like you said, who isn't already following you, who isn't already consuming your content. How can they search you out and watch your stuff? On YouTube, Instagram, I'm the fifth pillar of emphasis on TikTok, fifth pillar of emphasis, but you can actually just search UFO on TikTok and I'm one of the first things that pops up, thankfully.

But then on Twitter, which is where I interact the most because it's the easiest. You can find me at Dan Warren or, hey, look over there. And look is spelled with the L-U-K because I ran out of characters. Very good. Well, Dan, thanks again for doing this. really truthfully enjoy this discussion and I hope I can have you back again on again soon because I know there's a lot more we can get to

so thanks again for coming on with UAP. Thank you very much for having me. Well, thanks again to Dan for doing that and I did speak to him I guess you can say off the air, off camera, whatever you want to put it. And we spoke for a little while longer actually after we were done officially talking here for the show

and just a great guy. Really happy that I got to know him, wish him all the best in the world when it comes to what he's doing on his end with his own investigations and research and content. But I do want to give him a shout out because he is going to try to help in the acquisition of Lou Elizando to have him on here on UAPs. So hopefully that happens. I'll keep up with them on it and we'll see how it goes.

I mean, he's been, for me, I don't know what it is. It's just been very difficult for me to get in touch with Lou Elizondo. So I know a lot of you have thought, you know, I can't believe you haven't spoken to Lou on the show here before. You know, I thought you would have had him on. Me too. But for whatever reason, it's just been one of those things that has alluded me over time. So I appreciate Dan for being gracious enough to, in trying to help me get in touch with Lou and have him here on the show maybe some time in the future. So if that's going to happen, I will definitely keep you updated.

So that was one thing I wanted to touch on kind of update you on. But also some exciting things I think anyway happening. in the background when it comes to the, you know, push towards disclosure. Of course, Lou Elizando is one of those main figures in the background, trying to make all those things happen. And I think one thing that was pretty big. In fact, I retweeted this when it came out last week with the word huge. That's what I put a lot of thought into that tweet.

But I really thought this was huge why I want to mention it here again today. Because Lou tweeted out last week on March 28th, He put up a picture of himself in Washington, D.C., with Annapalina Luna, with Eric Burleson, with Tim Burchett, and with Christopher Mellon, all together, meeting in a room together, talking about how they all got together in a big meeting and things are going well. So I thought this was amazing. Lou Elizondo wrote Chris Mellon, myself, and our colleagues were in Washington, D.C. this week and had the opportunity to meet with several senators and representatives. and people on their staffs to discuss the current UAP and drone issues facing our nation. Now, I don't think Lou said drone issues like that, but that was my reaction when I saw it, was like, hello, I'm glad they're still talking about that, because if you really think those

things were authorized by the FAA to conduct research, I'm sorry, I just completely disagree with you. So the fact that that's still coming up, you know there is something else going on there, but that's a whole other scenario for another time. He went on to say that I'm extremely encouraged and humble to see the level of effort and investment by these officials. Please keep in mind that in our eagerness to obtain transparency, we need to allow them the necessary time, excuse me, the necessary time to work on these incredibly complex issues. So preaching patience there is what Lou is doing. He finished off by saying this is a great step forward, but we need to have patience.

Well, there you go, as they began to peel back the decades of. of denial and misinformation. And he ended with, I am very encouraged by the direction they are taking, and you should be as well. Thank you specifically to representatives, Luna, Burchett, and Burleson. I love the Burleson's getting stuff done,

you know, having him on the show here, like I mentioned with Dan there during our conversation. I was so lucky to have Representative Burleson on the show with me. And by the way, I'm trying to make that happen as well. I'm trying to get him back on, but obviously he is extremely busy with a lot of different things. as his role in Congress and on the transparency task force. So his schedule is full, and I'm trying to make a lot of things happen behind the scenes, as you can hear.

So I'll keep you updated on all that great stuff because I would love to speak with him again about, you know, the role of David Grush working together. And, of course, having these meetings with Willa Zondo and Christopher Mellon. They are going to be meeting in a skiff together as well. And they were going to get all the big guys together and meet in a skiff here pretty soon. so we're definitely going to be keeping an eye on that development as it comes out. So just wanted to touch on those things as far as some of the exciting. I find them exciting. I find them maybe encouraging is the better word if you want to use that instead.

I still think exciting is a good word, but I would also mainly call it encouraging to see these meetings taking place to finally hear that. They're all going to get together in a skiff at some point here soon because that's never been able to happen. So it's very encouraging. I think is the main word, the main takeaway there to see all of these things happening. It's progression. And quite frankly, I think we're at the point where that's the main thing we should be asking for. It's just let's keep progressing towards transparency and disclosure. We don't want to take steps backwards.

We don't want any more lies in secrecy. We want steps toward transparency and disclosure. And I think that's what we're seeing with the addition of David Grush on Eric Burleson's team, with the meeting that I just read to you about there from Lou Elizondo and everybody going there to Washington, D.C., to meet with the representatives. So all good things, all encouraging and I think exciting. Speaking of which, Jeff Nusatelli, shout out to him as well. He's been on the show here a couple of times, as you've heard. And great guy, Air Force veteran.

And as you, I think you know, just from when he's been on the show and he's been on many other interviews as well, talking about the Red Cube incident back. in Vandenberg in the early 2000s. 2003, I believe, my apologies if I'm getting that wrong off the top of my head, but also his own personal experience with a close encounter with a glowing orb that essentially floated, you know, hovered right over him over his home on Vandenberg Air Force Base. Just a great guy and he's trying to do all the right things when it comes to that same push towards transparency and disclosure.

You know, he is a part of the new film coming out. that's everybody was, you know, talking about just a few weeks ago, the age of disclosure. We still haven't got a release date on that, but he is in that documentary talking about his experiences. So he has been out there. I just want to give him a shout out because he had a great experience with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp. So I really, it was so happy to see him getting out there more with Corbell and Knapp and having more of his story told to the masses, to the populace. The more, the better, whether it's with me or.

or Corbell or anybody, really happy to see a guy like Jeff Nusateli getting his story out there more and getting it out in the public more. So just wanted to say kudos to him, and I'm really happy to see that happening. And I can't wait to see his appearance in The Age of Disclosure. That's really going to be a big one once that comes out. Also something worth adding on another end here that kind of dropped after I was done talking with Dan, so I didn't get to bring it up with him. but there is a clip with Jake Barber where he's on a new interview with Ross Coldheart

and he actually talks about here seeing a Tick-Tac that he's going to release on April 7th so that is according to my calculations on Monday April 7th where Jake Barber is going to release a new video he says that he got with his Skywatcher project that they have footage of both actually I'll add to this both a Tick-Tick-Tac UFO and a VIII jellyfish UFO. Remember that case with the jellyfish UFO, the very strange video that Jeremy Corbell put out that was seen over Iraq, Michael Sankowski, the military member who videoed that back a couple of years ago. And now we're talking about another sighting of a jellyfish UFO along with another Tic Tac. And maybe the two most talked about, you know, shapes, if you

will of UFOs with some of the crazy videos that have been out there in recent history. And Jake Barber says that he and his Skywatcher team have actually caught footage of both of those. And he's going to release that footage on April 7th. So we're going to see what that's like. That is another thing that I would say he's exciting. And I think that's definitely exciting. We'll see what that footage looks like on April 7th. Well, I'll see that come out together.

He said of the Tick-Tac, by the way, and I'm quoting him here, he said it showed up for us several days in broad daylight dropping from above 80,000 feet. I mean, that's a massive eyewitness statement there from Jake Barber. So a lot of big things happening, a lot of big interviews, a lot of big movements and things of that nature kind of playing out all at once here. And I'm just happy that I can come on and relate it to you and do my best to cover it all. And make sense of it once it all does come a lot. about. And that's why I was happy to be able to do that interview and have that discussion with Dan Warren here today. So just some final things to touch on there. And like I say, kind of put a

bow on all this for today for episode 122. So I really hope you enjoyed that discussion with myself and Dan. Again, great guy and I will definitely have him on again in the future. Super smart. Very articulate when it comes to this discussion. So great to talk to with any of these topics when it comes to the UFO topic. So really cool and glad I can have him on here today. And like I hope you enjoyed it. Next week, I think you'll enjoy as well because I'm very excited to have on my good friend, Patrick, from Vetted. I reached out to him. I haven't had him on here in a while.

And I always think he does a great job with his content, his approach, and very happy to see him taking more steps in his, you know, he's getting noticed more and more and getting more of a following, getting more of an audience. And I love seeing that for him. And I can't wait to have him back on UAP. So I'm going to have Patrick Armstrong from Vetted back here on UAP next week to discuss a lot of the topics happening. And I actually want to get into some of the JFK stuff with him as well and how that might relate to the UFO topic. So a lot to discuss with Patrick from Vetted next week right here on UAP. But until next time, of course, don't forget to download and subscribe to the show. In the meantime, wherever you get your podcast, the five-star ratings are always very much appreciated on any of the platforms that you are.

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