UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 123 A "Vetted" and "UAP" Collaboration

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

Patrick Armstrong from the hugely popular YouTube podcast, Vetted, joins the show with Stephen Diener to discuss many of the hottest topics in Ufology right now. What should we make of psionics and the Skywatcher project? What kind of results will the transparency task force and David Gusch bring about? And whatever ever happened to the Las Vegas aliens story? All of this along with so much more on this episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And I think a really fun, really engaging episode here today with my good buddy Patrick Armstrong from the very popular Vetted podcast on YouTube. We cover a lot of good stuff. So I'm looking forward to you hearing this conversation. today and I think engaging is probably the best word to use for this because I mean I found myself just the hour that we spent flew by or close to an hour anyway and it's funny because a little behind the scenes um normally whenever I have somebody on you know there's a lot of behind scenes discussion okay you know do bring this up bring that up would you like to speak about

anything specifically you know I try to be courteous and considerate I do the best I can and I also try to be consider with everybody's time which I always saw I I always bring up and say, how much time do you have? And so normally you say 40, 45 minutes. Well, Patrick and I spoke for close to an hour. So I'm very happy and appreciative of his time. And it just flew by when we got to speak because we covered so many different topics from the drone conversation to the Transparency Task Force and their response to that.

And, you know, their hopes for what they want to uncover with the Transparency Task Force. and his view on it, you know, what are they trying to do? And we also get into a lot of the other things like Skywatcher, the psionics conversation, even branching out into the Michael Herrera conversation, how all that kind of intersects. And then we weave in and start off with the Bob Lazard documentary. Yes, Bob Lazare is back in the UFO news cycle, I guess, if you will, because a new preview for a documentary just dropped, and it has everybody buzzing, It has everybody talking.

It looks like it's going to be a very detailed, I guess, look into Bob Lazar's life and story and his claims, you know, about S4 and the reverse engineering programs and working on reverse engineering. So we get into some of that. And also I bring up something that hasn't been spoken about in a while. But I always get messages about it from different people. And I thought, you know what? Let me ask Patrick about this today and talk about the story from Vegas. The Las Vegas aliens incident, the case from there, gosh, almost two years ago now. I can't believe that's almost two years ago.

But that's one of those things that kind of just fell to the background for whatever reason. And so I discussed that angle with Patrick and just a lot of really fun, engaging stuff. There's some laughs in there as well because we just really enjoy going back and forth about all these different things. So lighthearted, serious, kind of engaging. and thought-provoking conversation. I'm hyping this up a lot, so I hope you like it. But I really did have a lot of fun talking to Patrick about all these topics, all the big topics in the kind of UFO conversation right now and so much more.

So I think you really enjoy this, and I look forward to you hearing it. Plus, we speak a little bit about contact in the desert. The conference coming up at the end of May, you might want to hear that as we get towards that part of the discussion. And stick around for after the interview, because I have some thoughts that I want to on through myself, some afterthoughts after the conversation here with Patrick on this episode of UAP. But for now, go ahead, bring it to you right here, myself with Patrick from Vetted right here on UAP.

Enjoy. Patrick, thanks for coming back on, man. This has been a long time coming. Glad to have you back. Hey, thank you so much, Stephen, proud of me on, man. It's always a pleasure jumping on with you. Yeah, absolutely, man. And likewise, dude, there's a lot going on these days.

as I'm sure we both know and as we both say when we go on our respective shows and pontificate about the happenings of UFOs. But I wanted to, it's like just pick something out of the hat really and start there. But I want to start actually on something

that really just kind of dropped and caught everybody off guard, which was this documentary from Bob Lazar or about Bob Lazar that this trailer drops and everyone's like, whoa, this came out of nowhere. Those looks great. So just a little bit on that.

Like, what were your thoughts? You see that trailer? It kind of seems like the definitive Bob Lazar story, you know? For sure. It looks exciting. It was supposed to come out, I think, this last summer. They got pushed back because they've been doing this, like, VR experience that's supposed to, like, either release with it or release shortly after.

So I know they've been doing a lot of work. And if you notice in the trailer, there was some really great, like, animate. I mean, it looked photo real, but they were, like, like, you know, CGI created of what kind of Bob Lazar saw, the crap, you know, this,

that, what S4 looked like. I mean, it looks sick. Um, they've been working on it a long time. And if I remember correctly, the last big Bob Lazar documentary was Jeremy Corbells,

which put him on the map, right? Um, yeah, so yeah, I'm pretty interested in this just because it's supposed to show like, firsthand what Bob Lazar's experience was like. So for me,

whether or not you believe, leave his story or not, I think that will be a cool, exciting sort of, you know, adventure into what he allegedly saw. I can't wait. Me too. I mean, definitely something new for us to chew on in the UFO community for sure. And it's, and it's hard to have something new when it comes to someone that's been around in the scene for so long like a Bob Lazar. Yeah. And so it's, it should be really interesting to see. And just kind of on that, man, like he kind of is, I hate to say original because I know there's like, you know, the core. of the world and different people like that who came out even before Bob Lazar to be a so-called,

you know, quote unquote whistleblower or witness, whatever terminology you want to use. But he was kind of like the one that ushered in the modern day witnesses and whistleblowers. Do you think he's got kind of an unfair rap over the years or even decades? Like, do you think he's got some unfair flack or do you think it's like fair game kind of have at it with his story? you know that's a good question to be honest with you man because you know it just depends how you look at it right like you would have to then like quantify exactly what negative impacts it had on him right you'd have to quantify what someone like him coming out means and then you have to quantify the information that he's bringing out how big is that information and how much ridicule does information like that deserve

or is expected right then you kind of have to like mix and match is it you know is it equal parts ice and you know fresh coca cola or is it just all ice you know i don't know is it like one of those mcdonald's drinks you get where it's just all ice and then two sips you drink is gone i i don't know um you know because personally i i think people coming out with bold, bold claims. I mean, it's just the world. We live it. You're going to have people questioning you coming after you,

kind of diving in. But if it, if it is such a powerful thing, it's kind of expected, do people sometimes cross the line and make it too personal? I mean, 100%. Right.

That's, that's kind of like just attack his claims, not necessarily the man and his life. And it's like, you didn't live a perfect light. Like, what do you talk? You know what I mean?

It's, and I don't mean, the general you, right? It's so yeah, do I think some people have crossed the line and gone too far? Absolutely. I personally just kind of focus on his claims and what he's doing. And sometimes people have to make a decision, right? They immediately have to like, I got to make a decision.

Do I believe this guy or don't I believe this guy? Instead of just, well, I don't know. Sounds interesting. We'll just wait and see, you know. So yeah, to some extent, maybe he has gotten a little flak. But again, I can also hear the argument that, you know, some of the, flack if we're going to call it that or pushback is warranted to some extent just because of what he's coming out and saying yeah it's funny and by the way just real quick for anybody who's

wondering according to my wife the secret to those McDonald's drinks is to get no ice that's yep you're right get no ice that's it's just saying no ice it seems to solve the problem um but when it comes to the bob lazar question it kind of feels like if i can make a sports analogy it kind of feels like, you know, the old who's better, LeBron or Michael Jordan. You know what I mean? It's like it's like one of those timeless debates and where you can argue that back and forth and stats and all the rings and everything. And when it comes to Bob Lazar, it just feels like one of those discussions that we come

back to every so often to be like, well, what do we believe with Bob Lazar? And so I mean, but am I, do you think I'm wrong in saying that at least to me, and I'll put this out to you, it feels. like some of his claims, even when it comes to S4 and some of the technology and the details that he gave, the reverse engineering programs, it feels like some of that stuff has become a lot more plausible, say, over the past 10 years than it was before. Do you think I'm often saying that? No, not at all. Not at all. And I think that's been brought up quite a bit, right? Things that he said or described have started to come out, people with other stories that are

similar somewhat and yeah i mean that's interesting right in and of itself um for sure so no i don't think you're off saying that at all well i guess we'll find out more as that documentary comes out um i want to bring up something and this might feel out of the blue patrick but i want to go ahead and just throw it in there now because i kind of like whenever we talk i just kind of like how we can bounce from one thing to the next and it's just it might seem out of place but we've both covered so many things that it just kind of works. And one of those things is actually you and I've spoken about when I was on with you, and I think when you were on with me,

was the Las Vegas alien case with Angel and his family. And I know I say it's out of place or might feel out of place because it's really not brought up all that much anymore. You know, I had Scott Roder, the crime scene reconstruction expert on here a bunch of times. We went over it ad nauseum, going over a little detail and came to what we thought was a reasonable conclusion that something happened that night. They saw something, something was in the backyard,

kind of up to you what it was. Now that we're kind of more removed from that case and it kind of has, feels like taken a back burner to a lot of the other things that have happened, how do you think we should look back on the Vegas case now that it has kind of gone

into the background of the UFO, UAP conversation? Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, you know, in this space things move quickly. you know, they new things are coming out every day or weekly, right, big things. And it's easy, you know, the community jumps on it, focuses on it. And then pretty much just moves on to the next thing that's kind of happening.

So, I mean, I think it's just a personal choice, right, how people are going to look at that. If you found that case compelling, then I'm sure you'll keep it on closer to the front and the back burner, right? It's still in the back burner, but it's closer to the front. You know, if something comes up similar, you might, you know, attribute some details from that to some new case you saw. And if you thought that case was BS, then I'm sure you've long forgotten about it and moved on. I think it also would have to depend on what Angel and his family do, right? Because typically a lot of these cases and stuff, it's really dependent on the person who experienced it to keep the story going. or someone who's deeply looking into it to keep the story going, right?

Otherwise, it's just going to fade off unless new details come out or something new, you know, comes out. Yeah, it's really interesting because, you know, a lot of people look at that as the definitive case. And sometimes I get people that come to me and say, you know, you need to bring that up more. You got to talk about it. And, you know, it's it is the definitive case. It has all the proof. I have people who send me videos of like work that they do on it to your point. There are people, I get videos all the time from people to say, look at this.

I have here's proof. You can see this in the image. And it's interesting stuff. But it's just I always personally come back to it and say, yeah, something happened there. I'm just not sure how much more we can say on it without something else happening. Is that short-sighted? Or I mean, should we be looking at this and being like, we need to prop this up more because this, I want to has all the answers.

Yeah, that's interesting. Again, yeah, it's really just choice, right? It's like if you, if you covered it quite a bit, I would say covered it the most, to be honest, you know, if you feel like there's nothing else to cover, I mean, what else do you do? How much do you just keep rehashing it over and over again? I don't, I don't really know at that point. I never really heard it called the definitive case.

So that's interesting. Like definitive in the sense that, like, definitive in the sense that, like, like this proves we're not alone. Is that what you mean? Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've gotten a lot of messages like that of people saying this is like this is the one.

This is it. And there are some people who are hardcore for it and some people who are hardcore against it. And then I think there is, you know, guys like you and me who say this is really interesting. And I find this extremely compelling. But unfortunately, it kind of reaches a level. And I think I can say this about a lot of other stories that come up in the UFO topic. And I don't say this to trash anything. I think it's just the.

reality that so much other stuff happens. And unless there's something new to present, even though it might be an extremely compelling and even some might say definitive case, there's only so much you can say about it. And I think that's kind of the unfortunate truth, even with something like the Vegas case. I mean, yeah, I mean, look, for me personally, I don't think the evidence is definitive enough. I think when you're talking with imagery, like there's too many artifacts. and things that can get involved, noise, distortion. So even if it's compelling, there's really no definitive proof there.

And if, you know, you're looking for the smoking gun, in my opinion, that's not it. Doesn't mean it's not compelling or interesting or shouldn't be studied or looked into. But there's far more compelling cases or stories happening right now, in my opinion, than that one. Again, you can leave it at, like you said, something happened that. night. This family witnessed and interacted with something. But then the proof is it's really kind of zoomed in stuff. I mean, it's just all like how you look at it. So, but I get it like, again, just too many things are popping. You got hearings. You got Skywatcher. You got all these people coming out with all these things. And, you know, I think when you have people like what's

happening with Skywatcher and Jake Barber and his team, I mean, they're making the biggest claim you can make, which is I'm going to land a UFO and you'll be able to see it. And it's like, well, okay, what else are we doing here? Like, what else is there need to happen? That's kind of it. But, you know, maybe that case like it's separated because it involves the beings. Now, I know there was a little part about that story that potentially involved a craft of some sort. But really that's the Las Vegas case is really about beings, right?

and maybe that's what's keeping people from kind of, you know, looking into it or something. I don't know. You know, it's tough to tell. Yeah, because it kind of was one of those things like you never really heard brought up from something like Corbell didn't talk about that much. Elizondo or Nick Pope or any of these people. It was kind of in like smaller circles. Do you think that's why? Do you think it was just too, do you think it was too abstract for some people to really get into?

I just think there's not enough definitive proof. Yeah. Again, I mean, yeah, there were some pictures. There was a video. I personally don't think that that showed anything. I know Scott Roder did a great job and he did his thing and he put forward his whatever. But that's not enough, I think, for a lot of people. They need more than that, something way more definitive.

I mean, you do have the case. George Knapp covered it right there in Las Vegas. You know, he did a good piece on it. Yeah, I think maybe they're just doing their own thing. They have their own smoking gun. trying to get out or provide. But I will say this. This happens a lot in this community.

You know, we were just talking about Bob Lazar. When did that story happen in the late 80s, early 90s? And it went dormant for a long time. Nobody was talking about it until someone like Corbell's like, hey, I'm going to highlight this again and bring this guy out. So maybe that's what will happen with this case. They'll die off. And then somebody will be like, hey, what happened to that in Las Vegas case?

You know, and then boom, dive into it again and kind of, you know, bring it back out again. Yeah, you never know. Yeah, I know again, I know it seems out of the blue, but I just find something like that interesting. You know, it was very hot and heavy. It was one of those cases that was hot and heavy. And it just, I just kind of think that's almost an anomaly in itself,

an anomaly within the discussion around the anomaly of how something can be so widely discussed and then just fall to the wayside. Totally. And for the record, I still think there is, I think personally that there was something there was something there. I think that there was some definitely weird stuff. that was going on, some very strange pictures that for me are still very compelling and unanswered. So that's where I stand with it, but I guess we'll see what else comes out from it.

So to get back into, I guess, the present day, a lot of stuff going on with the transparency task force. This arguably, arguably is one of the biggest topics, I think, of 2025 so far. because in the way that it came out with Anapolino Luna and James Comer co-heading this task force bringing on Burchett, bringing on Burleson and Mace and there were other cohorts there from Congress. Lauren Bobert, I believe, is on there as well.

And it's an ongoing thing. And one of the things that they're working on first, and I know you covered this heavily, was the JFK file release hearing. So not so much I don't bring it up so much To get into who killed JFK and why What I'm wondering is

I mean that's a whole different show in it In itself that we can do What I'm wondering is do you think there's something there There's been longstanding as you know Longstanding speculation that the UFO topic The UFO secret Was one of the reasons why JFK was assassinated

Do you think there is something there to uncover when it comes to UFOs and JFK playing a part into his assassination. Still, the secrecy behind who did it and why? I mean, that's always a possibility, right? There's a CIA document that, you know, allegedly, it can't be proven that it's actually a real document. That's kind of a problem that connects JFK to potentially, I think 10 days before his assassination or something like that, you know, trying to get more information about UFOs and then boom, he's he's gone.

I mean, if you talk to Danny Sheehan, that's what happened, right? But then again, he didn't, he didn't testify there. He was there in the back row, but why didn't they have him testify if that's, you know, the way he thinks, you know, that that happened, that's the reason it happened. And so yeah, I guess, you know, the possibility is always there. It's the lack of, you know, again, in this community, it's the lack of evidence connecting those two things is really the issue, right? At the end of the day, just the lack of evidence. Do you think we're going to, what do you think we're going to learn from the transparency task force in the near future? Like if you think, let's say Patrick comes back on to UAP in December of this year,

what do you think we might say about the transparency task force in the near future? Transparency Task Force in their year in review. Oh, man. You know, I want to be hopeful and optimistic, and I generally am that kind of person, but I'm also a realist. I don't think it's going to do anything. In fact, it could have a more negative effect. It's like, it's kind of like, you know, the recycling epidemic, right?

So, you know, you go around and you think, oh, I'm recycling. I'm putting this stuff here. That's taken care of. Go about my day. I did my part. But then you realize, oh, that recycling just gets dumped in the trash because we don't send our recycling anywhere anymore. But we continue to separate it for some weird reason, right?

So you think the problem's being solved, so you forget about it and you don't think about solving the problem anymore. That therefore makes it worse. So sort of a false, the Federal Secrets Task Force gets started. And so you think, okay, they're doing stuff. I'll just, I'll go over here, but really what's happening. I mean, that JFK hearing was disastrous if you ask to be. And, you know, why are we focusing on JFK?

He died 60 years ago. Like, I get it, but why is the UAP not the main thing? If that's, you know, because they're covering JFK, MLK, RFCK, COVID, 9-11. You know, they're trying to knock everything out in six months. It's like, first of all, it's too many. things. They should have done one or two for this thing, but they have six months to work on it, right? It took three months to get the first hearing. So, you know, UAP is a current. Every other thing that I mentioned is in the past, 9-11 COVID, right? All these things are in the past. UAP is the only

current, you know, epidemic, right? At least the UAP, you know, over bases, you know, near misses with aircraft, right? Like, UAP is a current phenomenon. So why? is that not at the forefront? So I don't know. I don't have much faith in it, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Luna did just state that they'll be announcing a hearing for UAP under the Federal Secrets Task Force very soon. So that's good news. At least maybe they've heard some feedback from people like, okay, great, JFK. Let's get that out of the way. Okay, let's move on to what's happening now and what affects our future. So we'll see. I mean, at the end of the day, I'm definitely willing to be proven wrong and, you know, hopefully something gets kicked out of it. I mean, Grush is working with Burleson. It's kind of their way to get Grush on the task force without having them on the task force, right? Yeah.

It's hired by Burleson as a staff member specifically for UAP. So, and he's the one that testified in July 2023 of he put the X on the treasure map and said, this is it this is where you go this is there's nothing else to look at i did all the work i did the investigating here it is here's the names here's the places go do it so maybe something i guess you know as they said in star wars grushes are our only hope yeah right what did they say something like that star rush now officially can be known as obi won canobi is what you have exactly yes help us david Grush, your only hope. That's right.

I like it. I like it. Well, on that note, and it's a fair argument, Patrick, it is. It's a fair argument to have. So what do you think should happen? If the task force isn't the answer, if it's muddled up with bureaucracy and red tape, what is the answer in the ideal world of Patrick? What should be done if it's not the task force for the government to really,

put results out there to get answers just specifically on UAP? I mean, look, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. That's fine. But I have zero faith that the American government is going to reveal secrets about the most secretive thing they've ever had. Just because the people want it or a few Congress people who will be out in three years anyway, they want it. So I just, I'm not looking for disclosure from the government. So I really don't care what they do, to be honest with you. I was definitely a lot more invested in it and more caring about where my tax dollars are going and this and that.

But it's a lost cause in my opinion. I'm not trying to be pessimistic. I just think citizen disclosure has a far better chance, private disclosure. You know, people coming out with these companies, they're doing their own thing, right? their own research, their own investigations and things like what Obie Loeb is doing. And even so far as what Skywatchers trying to do, right? So I more support those efforts than expecting our government to, you know, again, reveal these things.

But, you know, again, would love to be proven wrong. But I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't spend any money on it, probably. I would just say forget it and support. citizen disclosure. Yeah, again, it's a fair argument, you know, to have back and forth when it comes to that subject. Yeah.

Because a lot of people say that pretty much the same thing, you know, and that's one of the reasons why the old story, if you believe it, goes that Bill Clinton wanted to know the secrets and they told them you want to end up like JFK or leave it alone. And, you know, the story goes, they look at people in government as part-time employees. You're going to be here four, eight, or, you know, it's a story goes. six or 12 years, whatever it might be, depending on the, you know, the term and where you're at. And then that's it. So it's, it's, it's, it's interesting. Now on, on that note, though, and actually to speak to what you're saying about how much could really be found out through

government. And I feel for these people, because when I had Representative Burleson on with me a little while back, and I asked him some similar questions. And you could hear the frustration in his voice when he said, we want to find this stuff out. And I think that's the part that got me was they literally don't know. Some people think they're just playing, you know, kind of pass the ball or they want to stall or they're lying about it or they're keeping secrets. They really don't know. And the stuff is being kept from them. And that's the part that really gets me. And I'm not to not to say for me anyway that it can't be done. Maybe something will come of it. Because they really are trying.

And so I do give them credit for that. They really are working on it. So hopefully something comes from it since they are putting hard work toward it. I guess that's that's where I stand with it. Yeah. I mean, instead of like pushing our government to give us the truth about reality, which that's not the purpose of any government, right? So why we're asking them to do something that's far outside of what, you know, they're protocol is. I think it's more for me just supporting investigations and kind of, you know,

looking at what's happening now and in the future rather than what's happened in the past and uncovering some, like we're just going to get some secret document that's going to blow the lid open on every and that'll be. It's like, what do you think? I mean, what? It's not going to happen. But, you know, supporting different programs that, you know, can help pilots, now can help. We don't have to define what it is or what it isn't, but if these things are happening, right, just, it's like Burleson and Congress can start working on things that just can help what's happening now with pilots, if that makes sense, rather than trying to uncover some deep secret that's never going to be uncovered. And to some extent, you know, maybe some of

your listeners or viewers may not like what I'm about to say, but I must say it anyway. do it is that you know i could i could see an argument where you know congress doesn't deserve to know some of those things because they are temporary employees like congress you can just get voted into congress you know what i mean like we're just supposed to give these people the secret and then hope that they reveal everything they know to us the american people and even even as much as i want the truth about everything i'm also a realist i understand that there are national security concerns from our government. I mean, I just have to be an adult here. If I was in my 20s, I'd probably think a lot differently. I get that. But I'm in my mid 40s now and I've been through life

and I get that hard decisions have to be made as a leader because I've been a leader myself, not to that extent, of course, but you know what I mean? So it's almost like I can see the argument. As much as I want XYZ, it could cause something that, you know, we let that cat out of the bag. And And that's it. There's no going back. So, yeah, I could see the argument where Congress doesn't deserve to know because I don't know what they would do with that information. What if they get it, leverage it to get some more funding or this and that and never reveal it to us. It's not like Congress and people in government have always been faithful and truthful to us. I know Congress loves to separate themselves from the government.

But it's like, wait, you are the government. You quite literally are the government too. And Congress is, you know, equally, I'm sure Burleson would agree. You know, people in Congress get taken advantage of. They make handshake deals, you know, behind the scenes. They're eating at the same restaurants at the same happy hours. Democrat Republicans, there is no really. It's all the same thing.

So it's hard to know who's what, what are their motivations. So we're just going to give someone all this information who, how do we know we can trust them with that information and what they would do with it, you know? And look, to be fair, I'll end on this point. I get it. If I ran for Congress or Senate and I got in, you know, you can go in with the best intentions. But then once you get there, you realize I can't change the game here. You know what I mean?

I can't make a chain. I got to, I'm in the game. It's like it's like being called from the bench in a football game going in and be like, hang on a second, guys, 10 yards is too long for a first down. Can we make it eight? And you're like, they're like, no, that's the rules. We're playing in the middle of the game. You don't get to change the rules, right?

So I think it's that kind of scenario, right, where you can go in with the best intentions. But then once you realize the world you step into, you realize this is a show, you know, and you kind of end up having to play the game. And I'm not saying I blame them for doing it. I might do the same thing in their position. If you want to keep your position, you got to do this, you know, sort of thing. thing. So yeah, it's just a, it's just a whole big mess at the end of the day, you know, that's why I support citizen, you know, um, disclosure. I really do just for that reason.

Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's really interesting. And so how do you think we come across getting, um, you know, information from say if, if they're out there and some people say yes, Some people say no. These, you know, black projects, things that Lockheed or Raytheon or, you know, Northrop are working on that might have to do with advanced tech or free energy or all these different things that would change the world. Is it citizen disclosure? And if it's citizen disclosure, how do they make people believe them? That's a great question. That's a great question.

It's tough. It's tough. impossible. I, you know, it's one of those things where like, you don't know until you're there. Right. Like, I don't, we wouldn't know until you're in that position. You know, people ask me, Patrick, what evidence do you need to see to believe, you know, we're not alone on this planet? And I go, I don't know.

I'd have to see it first. I don't know. I don't want to just say, well, craft, a video, a bit. I don't know what it would be until I see it. And if that's convincing enough for me, you know. So it's the same thing with this. like, I just don't know. It's a great question.

Probably one will be asking for a long time, unfortunately. I guess we'll see how it plays out in real time, I suppose. Yeah, yeah. I'm here for the ride, though. I'm here for the ride. I'm with you, man. Kind of on that note, but also moving into something else at the same time, one thing that did, just speaking for myself, and I'll get your take on it,

one thing that kind of, I want to say disturbed, but maybe, rub me the wrong way. I don't know, maybe that's the right way to say it. When it comes to the task force was the reaction of some of the representatives to the official position on the drone situation. That's, again, one of those things you talk about hot and heavy, that was the story. Not in UFO world. It was just the story. And then the holidays come. And then new administration comes in and a statement comes out. And they say, just FAA authorized. They were doing some experiments. They were doing some research.

It was all authorized. Everybody go to bed and have dinner. And it just kind of went away to the main populace. And the thing that got to me was some of the representatives who are on the Transparency Task Force came out to tow party lines to say, and this isn't a party discussion. I'm just talking topic here to come out and say, thanks for the briefing. Thanks for the explanation. Now we can move on. And for me, again, speaking to myself here and I'll throw it to you, I just thought it was such BS.

It's just, you know, I've been told by people who said it was just an absolutely impossible explanation. There are so many ways to refute that explanation. And that's what I think rub me the wrong way with the task force, we're seeing some of the people to come out and say, thank you when it was just such a blatant BS excuse in explanation. So, I mean, I don't know. I guess my thing is, where do you stand on that? And do you think it was, you know, one of those things that they were just trying to sweep under the rug? Or do you think that whole thing was just hogwash to begin with? Yeah, I mean, like you said, the drone thing took over, right?

It was, and I think what a lot of people forget is that the hubbub started in England first. Right? And then all of a sudden, it was like, what's going on in New Jersey of all places? Like Jersey, man. I love it. You know, New York, right? It just started to happen. And then California and then other state, right?

It's happening. Yeah, it was a huge thing. It was literally everyone was talking about it. It's probably, I'm trying to think, I think it's the only time since I've covered this topic where I was getting messages from all kinds of people. Hey, dude, what's going on with these drones? It was like, well, okay, this is hitting everywhere. Right.

People who don't follow the UFO topic at all. But know that I do something with it. So they wanted to reach out, but they never reached out before. But all of a sudden with the drones, they are. I don't, I'm with you. I don't think that explanation explains everything. Could it explain part of it? Sure. But all of it, I doubt it. That doesn't make any sense at all. But again, that's the, that's what the government does. They throw out this statement that's just supposed to alleviate everything. You know what I mean? They put a, they put a band-aid on a bullet wound. That's the

government in a nutshell. And it's like, yeah, I don't buy that either. What's interesting is Trump, when they kind of gave the same answer that the Biden administration gave. Again, I'm not here to be partisan. That's not our thing. I hate politics all the way around. So it, right? Like, for me, it was, okay,

Trump's like, hey, I'm going to give you the real answer. I know what's going on. And then that's the answer we get. Right. So, like, clearly something's not adding up here. Is it, does it need to be taken, you know, more seriously? Yes, right? Because we're talking about military bases that were affected. That then crosses the line into something far more serious, in my opinion. And that can't be the reason, right? Because these representatives from some of these military bases, like, we don't know what they are and what's happening and we can't stop them. So clearly that's not adding up. So we so what you try and tell me is, we have the best and largest military in the world.

And we couldn't handle that, but it turned out it was just FAA approved drones. I mean, come on. Yeah. That's stupid. Why wouldn't the military know that before they give their statements? Right. Yeah. Where did they get that information to even make that statement?

The FAA gave it to them and the FAA just sitting on that information this whole time? That doesn't mean. Right. No, exactly right. There are just so many ways you can poke holes in this whole thing, whether you want to talk to government officials, you know, local government officials, like mayors or governors or whoever. And they can say, no, this never came up. And we actually spoke to the FAA and this never came up. So obviously, and this still goes on, by the way.

I know people who live there and they say they still see these things. As I'm sure you've heard. So it's, no video's going out. Yeah. Yeah, exactly right. So I'm not saying it's aliens, but I am saying there's more than the story we got. 100%. 100%.

Yes. And it could be a little bit of both. Who knows? Absolutely. 100%. But there's something going on. And it's whatever. it is, it seems like

it's something that is either so advanced that it's and it's in our control and we can't talk about it or it's so advanced and it's out of our control and we can't talk about it. It's kind of one of those, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you mentioned SkyW, Skywatcher earlier. And I wanted to come back to them a little bit because that's a group with Jake Barber that obviously has made a lot of waves recently. And I feel like they brought in the discussion about psionics and made it more in the mainstream when it comes to the UFO topic. Because it feels like that psionics and the psychic connection and things like that were kind of, even for the UFO topic,

we're kind of fringe within what someone would consider a fringe topic in itself. Now, I know you and I wouldn't consider it such. I mean, you know, we think this is obviously very worthy of discussing on a daily basis. But the populace might look at the UFO topic as a whole as fringe. So for psionics to be considered too much, too woo-woo, so to speak, to discuss within the UFO conversation was really spoke for itself. But now it seems like psionics is really in the lexicon. of the UFO topic. So do you feel like Jake Barber and his team,

the Skywatcher team, have really helped to move the needle more than a lot of other things that are out there right now? Or is it still kind of wait and see on them as well? Where do you stand on Skywatcher? It's been a roller coaster ride for Skywatcher and them coming out for sure. I mean, there's got, there's so many threads to pull here because depending on, yeah, let's pull it.

Like, depending on how aware you've been of this topic, right, into this niche topic, you know, the Skywatcher story began years ago, right? Kind of behind the scenes. And if you were paying attention, you saw some of the stuff already bubbling up. And then, yeah, they just came out with these big, bold claims, right? which, to be fair, a lot of the community asked for these type of claims. So a guy does come out with these claims and he's immediately dismissed. Now, again, just like the Bob Lazar things, bold claims require bold questions.

So I think, you know, you're going to have to expect that, right? But it's definitely brought in a new type of discussion into this, which is interesting. And some of the pushback about that is interesting because it's like, Like, I'm always surprised in this community when someone's like, oh, that's too much. That's crazy. It's like, wait a second. What you? They're like, oh, psionics.

God, that's such bullshit. So anyway, interdimensional time traveling aliens. And they're like, that's, that's okay to talk about. But not this claim. I kind of just put it all. It's all crazy to me, but crazy in a good way. I don't mean it in a bad way. I just mean, it's all crazy.

I mean, we don't know. Yeah. Right? We don't, we don't know. if we don't fully understand our mind, how do we understand the limits? Right? We don't.

So if someone's saying X, Y, Z is possible, or they're doing it or whatever, okay, they can prove it. And what's the problem? I don't see the issue of thinking about it or talking about it or giving someone the runway to land that plane, right? If they're saying, I can do this, okay, let's see.

I'm willing to give people the room and, to see what they can do. And I think psionics is, I find it fascinating because it involves something that we all have, which is our mind. It's all something we have. It's all something we can relate to,

like very personally, which is why I'm doing my documentary about psionics, right, that I'm starting, is for that specific reason. It's something I can go test myself. I can go try this myself. And that's kind of, for me personally, very enticing. It doesn't mean that whatever I would do would prove it one way or the other.

But, you know, for my own personal journey, I think that's quite fascinating. And it, you know, you can separate it from NHI too, right? It could just be the ability for telekinesis, telepathy, right? Some of these things. And it's just exciting to think about what the power of our mind can do. and what we're capable of. I don't think we've reached the limits. So is this one of those things that's outside of what we, you know, know?

Possibly. I think it's exciting. And I think if people want to put their time and effort into researching it, studying it, and presenting data and evidence about it, I support it all the way. I don't see what's wrong with that. We spend so much time as humans doing the dumbest things. I don't know about you, but I spent a lot of time doing dumb things. Yeah. Sometimes. Just a waste of time. But you know what I mean? So I say, I say go for it. Let's see what happens. And yeah, I'm, I'm all in. It's, it's very exciting. It is. And it's something that's, you know, to talk about something that that has evolved over the past couple of years. I remember speaking to Michael Herrera a couple of years ago. And he brought this subject up to me about cyanics. I never really heard about it before about making this psychic connection with another being or with a craft or a little bit of both.

And I thought, well, this is kind of wild. I'm not sure what to make of this. And he said, you know, these black site projects were doing this to bring down UFOs. And I'm like, all right, I don't know, this might be too far out there. But tell your story. And by all means, you know, make up your mind. And then Jake Barber comes out with this. I'm like, oh, my gosh.

Like this could really be a thing. And who knows? Maybe this even goes back, Patrick. Maybe this goes back to some ancient knowledge that we might have had. We're more open to as man before we got, you know, corrupted by modern day technology who knows 100% it's all it's all a possibility it's i don't really focus on possibilities because i really do believe anything's possible it's i focus on probabilities so what's the probable case you know what's the probability that that's you know what it is i don't

know but you know yeah michael rara got that information turns out from jake barber he was He was his secret source, right? That that comes out. And look, you know, here's a dilemma I face with Skywatcher and their team. And full transparency, I'm potentially going to be going to a Skywatcher event, meeting some of these guys. I've talked behind the scenes to them. I'm open to it. But I'm also just me and just who I am.

And I personally do not believe Michael. Herrera. I have the only interview with this former team leader, right, that I've done. I just don't believe his story. I'm not saying that some of these abilities aren't possible, but that's, you know, that's kind of a red flag for me. But at the end of the day, I'm just focused on Skywatcher's current claims, right? They say they can do this XYZ and they're going to try to do it. And I'm all for it. I'm willing to listen and to see. you know, what happens. But are there some secret black sites that are using psionic assets as they put them,

hooking them up to machines and doing all this thing and bringing down craft and, you know, yeah, it's a lot to take in. It really is. I mean, I could still be wrong about my career. So I'm always open to being wrong. And I'm open to being right. I'm open to both, you know. I don't know.

At the end of the day, all I have is my opinion, which is why I'm trying to go out with this documentary and actually do get out in the field and really, you know, stop armchair in it because I do that a lot. That's all I do is armchair from bedded, you know, an armchair quarterback all the way. And I realize that. And so I want to get out there and see what the hell's going on, man. You know what I mean? Let's do this. Let's boots on the ground.

Let's see what's up. You know, it's like I've heard about, it's like, you know, food analogy, like, okay, I've heard about this restaurant enough. I'm going to go try it for myself. Let's see what the hoopla is about. I'll worry about what the ramifications of that, if it's true later. First, I'm going to kind of swim in the, you know, I don't know waters for a bit.

Because if you jump to what the ramifications are of what they're saying, it's pretty dark. So I think before I get to that dark place, let's first try. try to see what exactly is probable here. Yeah, and I think it's a way to put it, you know, not possible, but probable. And I think that's a good way to quantify a lot of things that we come across in the UAP discussion. Before I get you out of here, Patrick, I want to ask you about that.

You brought up to your documentary. I'm really intrigued by this having to do with the psionic aspect of things. First off, I commend you on it, you know, getting out there and getting your hands dirty and just finding out, you know, and doing the work and investigating it and making it. and making a presentation on it through this documentary. So what's going on with it? I mean, what can people expect from it? Is it like a two or three-part series?

Is it going to be like a two-hour thing? Is it going to be in theaters? I mean, what do we got going on with it? We're self-funding it. So I'm working with the same production team that produces vetted out of London also owns a documentary company called Alamo Films. and they're producing it, you know, this documentary where don't really have a timeline.

I don't really know. I'm going to start shooting at contact in the desert and, you know, shoot for a bit. The goal is to have some sort of a film 90 minute to 120 somewhere in there, right, an hour and a half to two hours. But who knows, maybe, you know, actually I was on a phone call today about it. And we were discussing, could this be a three-part, you know, Siri? I don't know, right?

Depends what happens because, you know, this documentary is a little different than what most people do, right? So most people go out and interview people have been through stuff and kind of put together a story. But that's not what I'm doing. Yeah, right? And so they're trying to hide, like, who they spoke to. They got a new witness, a new whistleblower, a new, you know, that's nothing to do with what we're doing, right? Like, this is, this documentary is about my personal journey looking into this and what happens to. me along the way, right? So that could open up doors or close them, right? I don't know. We're

just going to go with it and kind of see what happens. My goal is to investigate psionics in the sense of, you know, telepathy, telekinesis, CE5, right, close encounters of the fifth kind, communicating with NHI potentially and maybe any other fringe ideas that come from that. And yeah, going to meet people who claim to have this ability, trying to do it with them, trying to do it on my own, using different protocols that are readily available online that people say you could do. And, you know, looking at the history, where does this all come from? Where did this start?

Did this just start last year? Or has this been like, you know, going on for hundreds of years or these ideas, right? So I just want to pull the threads back and see exactly what's happening. So it's kind of, it's a little unknown because I don't know really what's going to happen. This documentary will be a mirror, right? I'm just going to reflect my journey over the next six, seven months. And whatever that is is what it is. But I will say, just because I experience something doesn't mean that it's real or true.

But I would also say the flip side of that, just because I don't experience anything, doesn't mean it's not true. or not real, right? It's just my journey. I'm not here to prove telepathy is real or not, or psionics, or any of that. I'm just here to showcase my journey, let people have the room to breathe and explain their stories and what they can do, right? And let people decide for themselves. That's my big thing with bedded and definitely with this documentary to present the data. Let people decide for themselves. I'm not trying to, you know, make any decisions for it. But I am boots on the ground. I'm going after it.

And we'll see what happens. I'm working with some really talented people who have made some pretty great shows already. One of the producers I'm working with, you know, worked with Darren Arnowski and Will Smith on One Strange Rock on Netflix. He's a producer on that particular show. He also was a producer on the first few seasons of Master Chef in the UK, BBC, you know, National Geographic. He's not into the topic at all. But he found it interesting and found me talking about it. He's like, dude, you're the documentary.

You know, because we were just talking about making. They just wanted ideas for a documentary they were going to make, you know, and about this topic. But then once they started talking to me, they were like, wait a second. It seems like it would be more interesting just to follow you on this journey and see what happens. So, yeah, man, I'm, I can't tell you how excited I am to be. honest with you, man. I'm going to work my ass off. I'm going to make sure that I present something that I feel is worth people's time because I don't want to waste people's time. It will be worth it. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome. I didn't know it was that involved. That's fantastic.

I mean, congratulations on it. It's an awesome opportunity to go out there and do this. So we're going to try to get on some streaming platforms, but I don't know. We're going to produce it ourselves and then, you know, maybe we get it on Netflix. We're using all the, the right equipment that that could happen. So it ends up on a streaming platform, meaning we're shooting it with the right equipment, right? The right camera sound, right? All of that stuff so that we make sure if people like it,

it could end up on there. In the theater, I doubt it. We might do one theater show, right? Just like a premiere or something. But, you know, who knows? How many documentaries go to theaters anymore, dude? Maybe age of disclosure. That one could go.

That one could, dude. That definitely can. No, that's very cool, man. I'm glad to hear all that. I'm glad you able to put that out here today on UAP. And you mentioned contact in the desert. I'm going to mention something that I haven't put on the show yet. I will be there.

As long as my flight doesn't get canceled, I will be at contact in the desert on Saturday. I'm getting in on Friday the 30th, but I'll be at the conference on Saturday the 31st. Nice. So maybe I'll see you there and some others. Of course. Dude,

that's what I'm looking forward to for this conference. I am going to be shooting for the documentary, but I'm being shooting for vetted to. And I'm just excited to go in part. I do this all online. Right. I'm excited to meet people in person. And I'm a real world person.

That's my whole life has been real world. So online is so new to me. And I hate it. I want to, you know, I'm a very personal person. And so I like being with people. I'm very social.

So I'm really looking forward to meeting people in person. Definitely, dude, we got to hang or at least chat or something, right? Like, yeah, I'm so looking forward to meeting so many people in person. It should be a great time. And absolutely, man. We've got to find each other. Maybe a video coming soon with UAP invented from contacting the desert. You never know.

That's what I'm talking about. I love it, man. That's great. And last but at least, maybe in that video, actually, I'll say this to end it out. We might, you might see us starting off a new spoon band because apparently you had to reference, if anybody didn't see this, to reference something that you put out that could have been breaking news. If it wasn't put out on April 1st. So you put out a little tweet on April 1st that I'll let you explain if you'd like to elaborate on that.

Sure. Yeah, there was some confusion too. Yeah, I put it out on April Fool's. I said I was quitting Uphology and starting a spoon cover band. Don't try to stop me. And people were like, spoons. They thought I meant actual spoons. Okay.

And I meant Spoon is actually a band from Austin, Texas. Oh, that's funny. Okay. So they're pretty popular, at least in Texas they were. They had some hits you've heard, I'm sure, you know, late 90s, early 2000s. You've heard the songs for sure. I may not have known who it was. But yeah, I meant it like.

that but people like oh we're gonna do spoon i'll bring my forks and i'll bring my you know whatever washboard you know which is also funny i mean uh yes see because i was i was thinking like you know sound garden spoon man like it's starting playing spoons like something out of there i honestly like that idea better um which would be a lot cooler hey playing spoons is no joke i'm a musician so like playing spoons is that is no joke that's hard that is yeah that is yeah Absolutely. Are you kidding? Just try it. Grab a couple spoons. That's right. Sit down in your fold out and you know, whatever and just try hitting your knees with a couple of spoons and see what happens. See how that goes. You're going to hurt yourself first of all. But yeah, it's not easy.

I think psionics might be easier than playing spoons. Yeah. Yeah. This has been a great time, man. Thanks so much for coming back on T. AP. And I know we'll definitely do it again. in the future. So I just was really happy we got to sit down and talk, go over all these topics, always love going back and forth with you. And I know there'll be more discussion in the future and absolutely look forward to meeting up the end of May for contact in the desert. Thanks, man. Hell yeah. Yeah, man. Thank you so much, Stephen, for having me on. This is a pleasure. Always great to come on here and chat with you, dude. For sure. We'll talk again soon. Patrick from Vetted. Thanks.

We'll talk again soon. Well, thank you again to Patrick for all his time. Like I said at the beginning, We went a little bit over than what we originally planned, so I really do appreciate his time to stick around and talk about all this stuff. And, you know, I know there's something that I wanted to say as well, as I kind of just touched on some of the things that you heard there, whether it was about Skywatcher, Michael Herrera, Vegas, and some of the other things that we touched on, that I just want to kind of bring back up.

First of all, I want to say you may not agree with everything that was said during that interview, whether it was from me or from Patrick. And that's totally fine. That's why I really like to have these discussions, the discourse, to go back and forth and bring up the angles, bring up all the points, and say, well, you know, kind of point, counterpoint. Here's what I think. Here's what I think. And then Patrick and I have the same philosophy, which is why I think we get along with talking to each other, which is leave it up to you and just kind of present the facts, the details, and the angles of the story, and then leave it up to you. And I think that's a great example for what we spoke about today, especially. was something like the Las Vegas case, you know, like we spoke about, that was something that was hot and heavy that a lot of people still bring up to me in different messages.

And I read that, I hear that, I see that, which is why I wanted to bring it up today. And hopefully we do hear something else from that. I don't want to abandon that story. I do personally find it extremely compelling. And I do think there is something there that needs to be shown to people more often. so more people see it, more people hear about it. But like Patrick said, there's just a lot of things that happen. And it's a lot to keep up with every day, every week, when it comes to the UFO topic.

So it's not like I want to ignore it. It's just I also need to talk about the other stuff. And if something, hopefully, I'm hoping something new comes out of the Vegas story. And if it does, I'll jump right back on it because, like I said, it is a very worthy story in my eyes. Patrick didn't think so. And that's totally fine. But at my eyes, I thought the Vegas story was very worthy of attention, which is why I did spend so much time talking about it as it was going on here on UAPs. So that's my thought on that side of things.

When it comes to Skywatcher, I know a lot of people are paying very much attention to Jake Barber and the Skywatcher team and what they're doing. You know, even coming out recently with the new videos showing supposed jellyfish, tick-tac shaped UAPs, UFOs flying in the sky, as they're summoning them through their psionic practices. And so that's a very big point of contention and conversation right now, which is why I wanted to speak about those things with Patrick. And again, that's another one of those things. Just make of it what you will, make up your own mind on it, including the Michael Herrera story.

Now, Michael Herrera is an interesting one for me because I feel like I have a personal connection to that story. And I wish I can get Mike to come back on the show with me. For whatever reason, he's just not open. to coming back on. Not that he's like mad at me or anything like that. We were just actually texting a few days ago, but just is not interested in doing it. So, you know, that's, that's, that's his thing. I'm open to it. If this gets out to him, if he hears it, love to have him back on when he's ready to do it. But for whatever reason, he just doesn't want to right now. And again,

that's his prerogative. But I feel like I have a special or not special, but a personal connection to the Michael Herrera story because I was there at the beginning. I was one of the first ones, and this isn't a bragging thing, I'm just explaining myself, I was one of the first ones to have him on a show. I know he was on the Black Vault, I think, as well, but he was on the show here with me, or Fade to Black. I'm sorry, Fade to Black. He was on that show. But he was on here with me a couple of times early on after his disclosure conference appearance with Dr. Stephen Greer. And I bring him up in connection with the Cyanics story, because that was the first time I had ever heard of psionics in connection with the you know uap conversation and when he's talking about

those things on the show here some time ago about a year and a half i guess talking about how you know these psionic assets uh p3 as they call it they communicate with the craft and they bring them down or they summon them and i'll do all these different things and that was the first time i had really delved into that conversation back in late uh 2023 so to hear it now more come up in the mainstream and And that's what I was getting to there with Patrick. I wasn't, if it came off as disrespectful or dismissive of Michael Herrera or a story on my end, that's not what I meant at all. My point of it was to hear it then and then hear how the conversation has evolved now

really makes me take a second look at it. Because when I first heard it from Michael Herrera, it was almost too unbelievable for me to really sit down and say, wrap my head around it. Like, it was hard for me to reconcile. But then we come to find out that his source was Jake Barber. And now we're hearing it from Jake Barber. So it's just, it's very, again, personal for me to see how that conversation has evolved, how it's developed. Because I was just personally in on it pretty early on with Michael Herrera.

So it's one that I continue to keep an eye on. It's one that I continue to talk about as it continues to make news in the UAP world. And hopefully I can get Mike back on the show or anybody from the Skywatcher team. They're always welcome on here as well because that is a conversation that is not going away anytime soon. And I am fascinated to see how much it has developed over the past year and a half. It's really quite something to me actually personally. And then quickly, one of the last things I wanted to touch on or review from what we spoke about was the Transparency Task Force. And, you know, it's just from my perspective, well, you know what?

Let me put it this way. I'm going to have Eric Burleson back on the show. So there's a little announcement right there. Plenty of having him back on here very soon. So I will keep you updated on when that's happening and when that episode is coming out. Eric Burleson, Congressman from Missouri and one of the, I guess you can say, main members of the Transparency Task Force. Of course, the one, the man who brought on David Grush to the transfer or to help out with the Transparency Task Force. looking forward to that.

So when I do, what I want to ask him is kind of what just happened when I was talking to Patrick about the Transparency Task Force. I want to ask Eric Burleson about how he feels, how some people view the task force as maybe not being worth it. And I'm not putting words in Patrick's mouth. I'm not saying that's what he said. But I want to ask him about that, you know, maybe more not. so hopeful point of view from other people who say, well, maybe this isn't going to yield results like some other people are thinking. So I just want to ask him about, you know, what do you feel about some of the pessimistic views towards a Transparency Task Force and what you guys are

trying to accomplish? Because I will say from my perspective, from my point of view, I do disagree with Patrick on his point of view with that, which is completely fine, which is why I like to talk about this stuff and get different points of view. In that, I'm not. I believe that they are trying. Eric Burleson and Nancy Mace and Luna and all these different representatives and Tim Burchett and everybody are trying to do the right thing with the task force. And that's why they brought on David Grush, because they do want to get the answers. I don't think it's a run around.

I believe that they really are making an effort to bring about transparency, not only with the UAP issue, but a lot of other issues. And I know a lot of us would like to see the UAP issue propped up towards the top, if not the very top. So maybe that's where some of the frustrations. comes from for some people or some of the, you know, people outside looking in. And that's understandable. But my point of view with the task force, just to put it out there, is that I believe they are trying to do good work, honest work, and getting these answers.

And I said from the beginning and I'll say again, I am hopeful. I am hopeful with the task force. I think that's probably the best word I can use in their mission and what they're trying to do. I believe in it personally. and if you disagree, that's completely fine. But I think they are trying to get stuff done. Now, whether or not we see the results is a different question. Maybe they are stonewalled.

Maybe they are blocked at different turns and they can't get the answers that they're trying to get. But I am hopeful that they absolutely are trying to do the right thing in it, but also that we will see some type of results. And maybe if it's not uncovering secrets, maybe it's at least bring us down an avenue or a path that will lead to some type of transparency, especially speaking about the UAP issue.

So that's my take on the transparency task force that I just wanted to put out there as an afterthought or a post-credit thought, whatever you want to say from the conversation that Patrick and I were having. So agree or disagree is totally fine. That's kind of where I stand on it. But I look forward to bringing that up with Eric Burleson when I have him here on the show very soon.

So stay tuned for that interview coming up. But some of the fun stuff that we spoke about to, not that that wasn't fun, that maybe that's more on the compelling thought-provoking side that was mentioning at the beginning. But I did want to finish off by touching on contact in the desert. I will be there. So just to elaborate that in a little bit, if you remember, I tried to go last year. I had everything booked. I was about to get on my flight and it got canceled. So I couldn't go.

This year, I'm planning on going again. I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to make it. but it came together in the past few days, thankfully, because I'm excited to do this, and I will be there on Friday, May 30th, in the area. I'll be in Palm Springs on Friday, May 30th, but I will actually be at the conference, contact in the desert, Palm Springs, California, on Saturday, May 31st. I feel like I'm talking up like a main event for WrestleMania or something like that. Like a big boxing match or something.

Saturday, May 31st, Palm Springs. but no, so I'll be there. Yes, I'm a big wrestling fan, so do that what you will. I love it. And I am looking forward to WrestleMania, but all that aside, I'm getting off track here. I will be at contact in the desert Saturday, May 31st. And so if you'd like to come by and see me, I'm going to be there all day. I don't have a plan's speaking engagement, but I will be at the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance booth at 1 p.m.

I'll be there from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m., Pacific time, obviously. So if that might be the easiest way to come by and say hello, if you look for the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance booth, 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. that day, Saturday the 31st of May. And I'll be there for that hour saying hello, getting the word out about the show here for UAP. So if you're going to be there and you want to say hi, come by the booth or you'll see me walking around going about that entire day on the 31st. I'd love to say hello. Don't be shy. I'm not a big deal at all. So if you're going to be there, don't be shy about coming up or feel like you're bothering me. that is not the case at all. I'd love to talk to you. If you want to take a picture, if you want to have a discussion, talk about experiences, whatever it might be,

I'll be happy to do all of that if you are going to be at contact in the desert on that Saturday the 31st. So I'm looking forward to it. It's going to be a lot of fun. And most of all, I'm very much looking forward to meeting a lot of people there, whether you're there attending

or some of the speakers are going to be there because I plan on getting in front of a lot of people to ask questions and get contents, and put that out there for you as part of kind of following along on this journey. And I'll put a lot of that on social media, especially on Twitter and TikTok. So make sure you're following along now, before then, and especially during it, because I'm going to try to document all that as it's happening. So follow along at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter and TikTok.

And YouTube, it's at UA Podcast. So just search UA Podcast. Any of those platforms, I should come up. You should find me pretty easily. And you can reach out to me, by the way, on those social media platforms. Send me a direct message. They're open. By all means, if you have something to say, do that.

And also through email, if you prefer that. I know a lot of people like to send the email. It's S-Diener-U-A-P-Gmail.com. S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P-E-Mel. If you want to do the email instead, and anything that's on your mind, please feel free. But I hope you enjoyed this conversation. I hope you enjoyed this new episode. I really, really had a great thing.

time talking to Patrick and like I said I hope I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. So until next time, just thank you all again so much for everything because without you, without your support, I'm absolutely nothing on this show. So it's all because of you, then I'm here. So hopefully you continue to stick around so I can stick around. But until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here saying be well. Thanks so much again. I'll talk to you again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.