UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 124 Exclusive: Rep. Eric Burlison on the Role of David Grusch

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

Congressman Eric Burlison rejoins the show with Stephen Diener to discuss the newest member of his transparency team, David Grusch, and how the famous whistleblower is helping open up new doors in their investigations into the UFO phenomenon. Plus, new details on future hearings, SCIF's, and getting into the "biologics" room. All of this and much more during this exclusive one on one...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So excited to bring this one to you today because I've been trying to coordinate and make this happen really for the past, I don't know, three weeks I suppose. And that is because back on the show with me today here is Congressman Eric Burleson. his second time on UAP. So really appreciate his time. Not an hour-long interview by any means, but just the fact that he was able to carve out time in his schedule here today to discuss everything happening with he and David Grush

and a lot of behind the scenes things that are going on and what they're trying to accomplish with the Transparency Task Force and the UAP discussion really, really meant a lot. And to be honest with you, just before I set the table in, you know, what we talk about here today, because you're going to like this, I think. There's a lot of great stuff in this. In a short amount of time, it's this short interview packs a punch.

Sometimes it's not about quantity, but quality, right? And I like to think that I have both. I like to think that I represent both of those. But in this case, not a long interview, but I think it packs a punch. And I think you're going to find that. Hopefully you see that and you hear that. But I just want to give a quick shout out to Congressman Burleson and his team before I set the table and bring him in here,

because this is not easy if I'm being 100% honest with you. And since it's about the Transparency Task Force, I'll be transparent and tell you that this was extremely difficult to get together. He's an extremely busy person just like a lot of other people are in Congress or the Senate or in national, the national politics scene. They have a lot of meetings. They have a lot of things that they're doing behind closed doors. So it was very difficult to schedule a time with Congressman Burleson and his team. But the fact that they were willing to do that and come back on here and carve out some time to make it happen really means a lot. Especially considering, and I'm not like patting myself on the back here, but I just haven't seen him on a lot of other podcasts.

Maybe I've missed it. Maybe he has. I'm not saying that it's impossible or that it hasn't happened. I just haven't seen it. So just the fact that he made time to come on here today for a second time really does mean a lot. So I just want to give him and his team a shout out for making that happen for coordinating. and for finding time and everybody's scheduled to make it happen. Because I was really, really excited to bring you a new interview with him

after the news came out that he was bringing David Grush on his team. You know, the first time around when Eric Burleson was on the show, he spoke about how he's been speaking with Grush behind the scenes and they're working together. And then about a week or two later after that interview dropped on the show, it's made public that he has now brought him on to his team full time and an actual, you know, part of the transparency task force. It's an actual employee, a government employee, I should say, because he's been onboarded and everything like that,

which you'll hear Eric talk about here during this interview. So very excited to bring to you all these tidbits, because I really wanted to have him back on to discuss the role that David Grush is now playing, what kind of doors are being opened with Grush on his team, and how it's affected everything moving forward. So we do get into that. And I think some really important points that I want to highlight before we get into, with that Eric talks about trying to deliver because he knows that people have been disappointed

in the past when it comes to, you know, Congress working on the UAP issue. So he makes the point. And I won't give a lot away everything and say everything that he says, but he makes the point that they're working on delivering and, you know, and finding those answers and bringing them about. And what he's actually trying to do, the doors that he's trying to get through really actually surprised me that we went in a certain angle there. So I won't give it. give that part away, but definitely keep your ears open for that portion of the interview. I do ask him about the skiff that he wants to have David Grush a part of, not only Grush, but Lou Elizondo and Christopher Mellon.

We get the update on when that might be happening, as well as future hearings. He says that a, well, again, we'll give too much away, but you can expect a hearing this year and even more after that as far as people getting in front of the camera. So we get into those things, getting inside, you know, really seeing some of the evidence. We talk about Jake Barber. We talk about the connection between angels and UFOs. And the reason that comes up is you'll hear at the beginning here where Congressman Burleson talks about my little back and forth with Stephen Greed Street on Twitter a few weeks back. And she actually saw that and heard me talking about it here on the show.

So we do get into that. And I ask him to clarify a little bit his stance on. you know, angels and UFOs. So we were able to cover a lot of ground, like I said, in a short amount of time. But stick around because I really do have a lot to react. I really have a lot to say from this interview. We hit out a lot of great points, like I just said there. So without giving anything else away, I'm going to bring you to you here now,

and then stick around for afterwards some afterthoughts on a lot of the things that are said here today on UAP between myself and Congressman Eric Burleson right now on the Unidentified Alien podcast. Enjoy. Well, I'm honored. I was honored the first time he came on here and even more honored that he actually came back. Representative Eric Burleson joining UAP here today. Eric, thanks so much for coming back on to UAP. I really appreciate it.

It's good to be back on. You know, I owe you because I'm listening to your podcast now and I heard about the interaction that you had on social media defending my reputation and David Grush's reputation. So I really appreciate that. You know, we get, I get so many people say hateful, nasty things. And just appreciate people coming to my defense. So thank you. Yeah.

Well, hey, look, anytime. And I appreciate that. I'm glad you heard it. That's pretty cool. So thanks for listening. And I'm happy to do it because, and I actually did want to ask about that. So I appreciate you bringing that up with David Grush, actually. So we'll start there with that addition.

Because it's funny, you and I spoke about that. that a few weeks back or about a month ago when you were on the first time that you've been speaking with David Grush behind the scenes. He's kind of helping you through making contacts when it comes to the UAP transparency that you've undertaken specifically with the task force. And then he becomes public and he becomes part of your team, I guess we could say officially. So how has that I guess settled as David Gresh has been there now a couple weeks with you and how is that relationship and the mission evolved since he's been working with you the past couple weeks in the public eye. Yeah, let me like, I cannot under or overstate how difficult it was to get him on board.

Not from his part, just the bureaucracy. And getting all the gatekeepers and everyone to sign off on it, it was extremely difficult. And I mean, there was definite pushback from, you know, in every level. And so we had to navigate it. And when I told my staff and said, this is not a question of whether this is going to happen. This is a question is how are we going to make it happen? We got already a game plan. He submitted a pretty lengthy document.

He came in the following week. He had a series of meetings. And so at the end of the day, he's gone through all that formal process. But day one, there was definitely a lot of excitement. No, that's awesome. And it's, is it surreal for you because of how long you're working on making that happen? Like now David Grush is in the building. You guys are working together on this or have you settled in yourself and be like, okay, like, yeah, we really got this done and we can really go after some things now.

Yeah, I think that this is just, I don't want to fool myself. Like, this is just step one. And so it doesn't mean anything unless we deliver. And so we're, we, I understand now the, to me, it's just raising the bar because now the, there's, there's, there's. expectations that we deliver. And I don't want to disappoint, right? So we've got, everybody knows that we've hired him. I don't want to at the end of the day have this be, you know, the disappointment levels that we've seen before. And I'm not suggesting that we're going to have that moment where, where it, you know, I'm able to go directly into a room and film a UFO. But I'm also trying to do

that. I'm trying to get to that point where we get into the get into a space see the to where we can see any of these crash retrieval vehicles and see any of the alien biologics, anything and everything. So we're we're going aggressive and I've got a good partner with Tim Burchett and Ana Polina Luna. So we've got a we've got an aggressive team and I think we're going to go after it. That's that's amazing. Let me ask an I guess an obvious question. when we talk about trying to get into those rooms to see the hard evidence, a craft biologics, is that an acknowledgement, Eric, that those things in your opinion exists because you're trying to get in front of them? Look, when we have reports that things do, that there are things that are being studied,

I have no doubt that there is a crash retrieval program. and so and that they've that they're studying what craft that they are retrieved whether that's extraterrestrial or non-human is of another it's yet to be seen where do you think this leads back to eric when it comes to like like you said cunning through the bureaucracy of just trying to get david crush onboarded on your team and how long that took you who do you think doesn't want this to happen is it the contractors is it you know the lockheeds and the bowings and the rathions of the world or if there's something else Yeah, I think that there's, it's all of it. It's the contractors that have possession. It's also our, you know, our intelligence community that have been guarding these, guarding this information for quite some time. I was warned to not get too close to the quote unquote green programs, the programs that we do have that is U.S. experimental technology.

that I was told is very advanced. And so that was interesting to get to get that kind of warning. So yeah, I think that there is there's certainly some some concern that we might. I mean, legitimate concern that we might be compromising something that, that we're supposed to be protecting in national security interests. It is kind of a double-ed sword that way, right? Like it's really, it's hard. Is it hard to navigate those waters when it comes to, okay, what are we working on that does have national security interests?

That really, just as our own tech, we got people in a room that have been able to figure some things out versus something that may not just be people in a room and they got the technology from somewhere else. Like, how hard is that to navigate for you guys? Yeah, I think that when I had a meeting with Arrow, they kind of spelled it out for me, at least, in a way that we can navigate this. and that is that the topic of extraterrestrial life and UFOs is not a federal secret. It's nothing for the federal government to keep secret. The way the error explained it is that what the federal government does have is a responsibility to keep secret any of the ways in which they've documented this. So if they're using advanced imaging satellites or radar, they don't want that to be to be leaked, the level of technology that they have. And so that was what I was told by Arrow, which I think gives us a framework to go by to say, okay, we want the documentation, at least if you've got documents that demonstrate what these aircraft are.

we can release it in such a way that we're not compromising the technology that the United States government is using and our abilities. That's the needle that we have to thread. Yeah. Kind of a tough question here. Do you guys ever feel uneasy with some of the things that you do as far as who might be made unhappy with what you're doing? Because I just go back to what Nancy May said back in the hearings of November in 24 when Louelizondo and company were there. and she said, you know, we're not supposed to talk about Immaculate Constellation, and they told us not to say it, and she said, you know, come at me, bro.

So, I mean, do you guys have those moments where you say, I don't know, like, who are we going to upset? Does that make you one easy at all, or is it full steam ahead? For me, it's full steam ahead. I, at the end of the day, I'm not doing this because I want to climb a ladder or that I just, I want to live up some kind of posh life. This is a sacrifice. and that's what I see this job.

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But most of them, I've never heard of being discussed in the UFO community. And these are all people that have been read in on the programs, according to Grush. And then some of them are retired. Some of them are active. He also gave us an indication as to which ones will be hostile and which ones will not. So by hostile, what I mean is that they're not going to willingly come forward. and provide information like he did. They're not, they, they, they, they don't want to talk about this topic.

And if we were to bring them forward, they would probably say, I can't, I can't, or I don't recall or I can't speak to that, right? So that would be a hostile witness. So we, we want to get, there's some people that we may have to bring forward and subpoena to bring forward. And so that's kind of how that conversation went. Going back to June of 23, when David Gresh was a, witness in front of you guys on the first hearing. He kept talking about, you know, I can tell you

more in his skiff. And then we actually found out that that skiff is supposed to happen, not only with him, but Lou Elizano, Christopher Mellon, I think maybe one or two others. Has that happened yet, Eric, or is that something that is still being planned? It's still being planned. It was supposed to occur. It was supposed to occur in the end of April. I think it's been pushed back a little bit. with Grush, my plan is to get his security clearance reinstated. We've got already got house, like, let me give an idea. So when I spoke with the oversight staff about David, when David Grush was there, they asked him about his security clearance,

and he said he had submitted it through the sergeant at arms. And he was expecting it, you know, to be done quickly. because he said the process is pretty easy and quick. But the staff said, well, don't expect to be quick because it took us about three or four months, to which I said that's unacceptable. So we leaned in. And so there is a particular level that he has been cleared for, but we're waiting for a higher level of clearance. And then we're going to have a meeting with Grush in a skiff.

maybe it'll be the same day as Lou and Christopher Mellon. Maybe it'll be at a different time, but we'll see how the stars align. That's amazing. I mean, I know that's something that you've been waiting for that in El Palina Luna and Nancy Mason, Timberchette, and a lot of people just outside of the halls of Congress, myself and others included, been waiting for that moment for all of you to be able to get into a room and securely talk about these things. Like, what's going to come out from that? Now, obviously, I wouldn't be able to ask you about it, but, I mean, how much are you anticipating

that meeting and what do you hope to get out of it once it does happen? Yeah, hope to get a lot. And the other thing is I want that time of that meeting to be that we have all the time in the world because there's been moments where you just start to get to the good stuff and then you've got to go vote, right? And so I think that we need to make sure that we're carving out as much time as possible. So for example, when we did the Hunter Biden deposition, we came in a day early. And we spent five, six hours with Hunter Biden and his attorneys in that deposition. That's the kind of time frame that we need to get out of this group. And so, because there will be a lot of people

to talk, a lot of things to go over. And we just need to be patient and have the time to ask questions because there's so many, so many details that we need to get to. Yeah, gosh, that's, that's, that's going to be something. So I'd love to, uh, hear about as much as you can tell us once that actually happens, at least your impressions from it, and keep us updated on when that will be happening. A little bit of different, but kind of connected here before we have to run.

Jake Barber, have you heard about the Jake Barber, Skywatcher project that's going on? I have, and I've watched the first couple of episodes of the Skywatcher. I wanted to get your take on what they're doing and how they're doing it when it comes to the use of psionics, you know, this connection to otherworldly technology or spiritual beings, whatever we want to call them. Obviously, people have different opinions that, you know, they appear and they're getting pictures. They just put out pictures last week. What is your opinion of what Jake Barber and his

Skywatcher team are doing? And has David Grush told you anything about what Jake Barber is doing? David has. David has a good relationship with Jake Barber. This is a topic that the Cyanics is a topic that I'm highly, highly skeptical of. I don't. I mean, it's just, it's, this is X-Files kind of stuff. And I, I don't, again, like, I'm open to learning about it, but I'm absolutely, I'm not going to believe, believe it until I've been proven otherwise. So that being said, I'm, one of the things that I am trying to carve out time to do is go,

is go visit Jake Barber and visit with some of these individuals and maybe be there for an opportunity for them to show us what they've been able to pull off, which they claim to be able to pull down or like communicate and then bring in UFOs. That's, you know, I will remain skeptical. Yeah, and that's fair enough. What did you make of, I guess, the introduction

that we all had to Jake Barber and his team. When it came to that interview he had with Ross Colthardt showing the video of the egg supposed egg UAP retrieval. I mean, what did you make of that video when you saw that? Did you think, wow,

this is something that we should be looking at on the transparency task force? Or do you say, maybe we'll put this one in the back burner? Like, what are your thoughts when you see that video come out? You know, in general, the Jake Barber interview,

I thought, was intriguing. I think that, I think that he was certainly, in that program, what he experienced. I can't speak to. You know, that was his personal experience. In other words, all the things that he was talking about,

his personal feelings, the emotional impact of it. I mean, I can't really speak to that. But I found it to be a fascinating interview. Have you guys gone over at all the different types of UFOs that are seen? As far as, you know, the saucers, the egg, or even like the Tick-Tac from the Nimitz video in 2004. Like, are you guys gone over like the different types of craft that people claim to see

or that, you know, Jake Barber just put out some different videos like we said last week showing some of those, the jellyfish and things like that. Yeah. I mean, I've seen those. I see, I watched them classify that in the videos they release. Arrow has kind of broken up some of their events into different. into different topics or craft, if you will, or sightings. And so, yeah, I mean, there is kind of a taxonomy that takes place.

I don't know that there's an official one out there. So I've got to ask you this, Eric, before we're done. You mentioned at the beginning how I spoke about the kind of back and forth on social media with a journalist editor there. I'll say his name, Stephen Green Street. If you listen to the show, you know what I'm talking about, where he came out and talked about you and David Grush in kind of a pretty negative light and, you know, just different things there. But I do want to ask you, though, when it came to some of the things that Green Street was saying that I spoke about on the show, he mentioned you talking about like angels and UAPs or aliens being angels or spiritual in nature. or can you just talk about some of those things

and kind of clarify what he was trying to get at when he was saying all those things? Yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day, so let me back up. So whenever we were investigating this in the first place, it was mentioned that these aliens are coming from a higher plane of existence, that they're coming from some kind of, I don't know, like something beyond our three dimensions.

extra dimensional was the phrase used to which my response is well you we might as well be talking about angels i could have used the term leprechauns right i mean at that what i meant is at this point we're talking about something that cannot be i mean is not going to be if you're when you're saying that we're we're going beyond the physical then how do you prove that and so that's why i just kind of categorically said i mean at that point we might as well be talking about not that I don't believe that these things might exist. I just, my reference was you might as well be talking about something in that regard.

Now, there are many people that believe that some of the books of the Old Testament are mentioning potential craft, things that, you know, that some of the sightings and the visions that were, that prophets wrote about in the Old Testament, are direct references to things that today we would call a UFO.

I don't know. I don't get to speak to Ezekiel, right? He's long dead. But do I definitively believe that what is out there is angels? No, I'm not going to say that, and I'm not going to assert that. For him to put words in my mouth, I think is shameful. I'm trying to approach this in a logical fashion. in an investigative way.

And so just seeking the facts and seeking the truth. And I think that, you know, there's haters out there, and there's people that are looking for every chink in the armor. And that's fine. But at the end of the day, I'm going to continue to do what I do. I've got people that hate on me every day on social media. It's no matter. I'm going to continue to do what I think is right and do what I was elected to do.

Yeah, very good. I'll get you out here on this, Eric. New hearings. And everybody always talks about it. I asked you about it before. I'll ask you about it again. What is, what's the progress and the thought process like on a third UAP hearing sometime in 2025? Yeah.

I mean, we definitely will be having at least one hearing this year. There may be multiple hearings. We may, we may have a hearing and then probably, then we may have like a round table discussion that will be aired on C-SPAN. So that's one of the things that we've been discussing is to do a technological roundtable discussion to talk about the potential technologies that we're witnessing.

Very cool. Eric Burleson, thank you so much, Representative from Missouri coming on here to UAP once again. It's an honor and a pleasure to have you and I hope we can continue our conversations and talk to you again in the future right here. That was good. Thank you, Stephen. Thanks, Eric.

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Congresswoman Nancy Mace and Anna Polina Luna. So I'm trying to get the whole team. I would love to have Jared Moskowitz on as well. So I'm trying to get a lot of the people who have been involved with UAPs and especially those on the Transparency Task Force to come on to the show. So I'm going to be reaching out to those people. I've reached out to Bert Chet and, well, I've reached out to his team, but we haven't been

able to get anything scheduled there yet. So I did want to put that out there, by the way, just for our general information. that those things are in the works and I am trying to make those things happen as well. So knowing how hard it is to make those things happen means all the more to me personally that Congressman Burleson has made the time to do that and to come on here today on UAP to discuss all those things because that was really an eye-opener for me. And like I said, just some of the afterthoughts, some of the things that really stood out to me. I do love that, you know, they're self-aware enough to see and to feel people's reactions

when it comes to how they're feeling with Congress's handling of the UAP issue. Not to say that it's been a poor job by any means. I don't think it has. You know, I'm not a what have you done for me lately type of guy. I like to try to keep things in perspective. And my perspective tells me that I've seen more done, more effort at least put forth towards UAP transparency in the past five years than I had in the past 30 years. so I try to keep that in perspective

when it comes to what they've been doing with the hearings and the conversations and the open discussions and things of that nature. So I do keep that in mind and that's why I thought it was so refreshing to hear him say that he wants to be able to deliver for people. The whole team does. They want to be able to deliver

and that's why it was so important to bring David Grush onto the team. And how about, you know, he's saying that he wants to get in the evidence room, talking about the biologics and seeing the biologics and seeing the craft and things like that. So that's the part that kind of really threw me for a loop when he said it was as we were talking and recording that that interview.

I was like in my own head, I was like, whoa, wait, are you saying like you are openly admitting and saying that those rooms do exist? So I didn't mean to catch him off guard by that or anything and I hope I didn't. But I think he had a good point in that, well, look, I mean, that's in the testimony. Those things exist according to the testimony. so we want to get in there, which, yes, please, that would be amazing. The skiff update, you heard him say that it was supposed to happen at the end of April, but they're shooting for a later date now because of the different clearances that David Grush has to recover

in order to get into that skiff. But it's going to happen, which is a pretty huge thing in itself because they've been trying to do that for almost two years now. We know things move at a snail's pace sometimes when it comes to the federal government, unfortunately. There's a lot of red tape and a lot of, you know, walls to try to break through. it's encouraging that that seems like it's going to be a thing in the future from what Eric was saying there, which I think is great. I can't wait there details on when that's going to happen in any details that we can't hear after it happens. And then I thought it was cool anyway to get his perspective on Jake Barber, the Cyanics discussion, part of it, and to get his perspective as a congressman and someone who's working on the Transparency Task Force with Grush and the whole team there, to get his perspective on where Cyanics

falls into play in this discussion. Now, you may or may not agree with what he said, and that's completely fine. It's always up to you, right? You decide. That's the mantra here on UAP. So if you agree with it, cool, if not. Awesome.

Either way, it was good to get, I think, his perspective from someone who's on the inside and working on these things, at least to hear where he's coming from when it comes to the psionics portion of this discussion. How does that fit into the disclosure pie, if you will? And then just, you know, to kind of extrapolates the Jake Barber discussion as a whole. So it was cool to hear that and to get his background, his explanation on angels are UFOs and UFOs are angels.

Basically, if you didn't understand that portion, okay, so let me just go into the way back machine here real quick. If you weren't up to date, I'm sorry to leave you in the dark. I want to add some context with the whole Stephen Green Street thing and what Eric Burleson brought up at the start of our interview and what we spoke about at the end. Stephen Green Street is a guy who, I think he works for the New York Post or The New York Times. I forget which one. And, you know, if you want to correct me, then by all means. But I think it's one of those.

And he's an editorialist. He's, I guess you can say a journalist by whatever means you want to measure that by. And mostly any interactions that we have with him in the UFO community is he's a guy that continuously trolls people and throws, you know, tries to throw debunks out. out there to any of the cases and basically downgrades and denigrates anybody of prominence in the UFO community, whether it's a congressman or a whistleblower or witness a la David Grush and Eric Burleson, anybody who is for disclosure, anybody who is, you know, pro-conversation when it comes to this topic, he basically just tries to shoot them down and makes them sound

like that they're idiots and discredit them. He tries to discredit them. That's the word I'm looking for. And he did that recently with both Eric Burles. and David Grush. And I really took exception to it because of the way that it was framed. Normally, I completely ignore trolls like Stephen Green Street or, you know, McWest or anybody like that who's basically just on there to troll people and try to discredit people.

But the way that he framed a particular tweet a few weeks back really got me heated. And I just couldn't stand by it because he just, he called David Grush a movie producer. And I'm like, dude, how dare you just completely? disregard his entire military career. Like, what a jerk move. And then he spoke about Eric Burleson saying that he shouldn't be trusted or listened to because he equated UFOs to being angels. And so that was the long and short of it.

And I responded and just, you know, basically hit him on all these different points and spoke about it on the show a few weeks back when it happened. So when Eric Burleson was talking about that, he heard that and he appreciated me having their back, first of all, like I said, anytime, if I see what I feel is an injustice, in a certain situation, then I'm happy to have that person's back when it comes to where I feel they're being wrong. So my pleasure on that aspect. And I'm glad that, you know, it was taken well on their end as well. But that's why I'm happy that I wanted to have the chance to bring it up. So it made it easier that Eric Burleson heard that part on a previous show. And that's why I brought

it up to him. And he spoke about, you know, what his full content. text was talking about angels and UFOs. So if you weren't caught up on that whole thing, that's the backstory. That's why we spoke about it. That's why I asked that question and why I wanted to put that out there from Eric Burleson so he can get that explanation out there. For anybody like a Stephen Green Street who wants to take, you know, snippets of a comment and paste them together to fit a narrative and make their own story from it to try to paint somebody as a, you know, in a certain way or a certain picture. So I don't like what people do that. That's why I stood up for it. and that's why I was happy that Eric Burleson got to kind of clear the air

and put it into his own words to end the interview there right here on UAP. So that's the back story. Those are some of the things on my mind as we head out here. One last thing, though, that really caught my attention was the roundtable. So I think that's an amazing idea. I just want to put that out there and that really excites me when Eric spoke about not only a future hearing this year, as you heard him say, he was all but certain that there is going to be a huge.

hearing at some point this year. Maybe it's later in the summer. Maybe it's early fall. We don't know. We don't have a date on that. But Hugh's all but certain that it is going to happen. And if it does, by the way, if and when it does, I will do my best to be there like I was this past November, where it was fortunate enough to be in the room. So if we do get a third one, if and when that does happen this year, just putting it out there right now, I will do my best to be in D.C. for that. If time and means and the situation allows, that's something that absolutely plan on doing. So I'll keep my ears and eyes posted, so we all learn that together. But he spoke about not only that future hearing this year, but other hearings and that roundtable discussion.

I think that is such a good idea. How cool would that be to see just a roundtable conversation between the different members of the UAP caucus, as I call it, or in this case, a Transparency Task Force, and anybody else who wants to join from the Hill, to go and have a roundtable discussion with Lou Elizando, with DeLisando, with D. David Grush, with Christopher Mellon, with any other witnesses that maybe people like, you know, Bob Salas, who haven't had the opportunity to sit down and talk about these things or whoever else is out there, you know, Jason Sands, who I have a little update on in a second. Stay tuned for that in just a minute.

But, you know, all these other witnesses, Jeff Nusateli, who's been here on the show, you know, Air Force veteran who's had these up-close encounters with UAPs. there are so many people, whether military veterans or not, that could sit there and talk on this. And so I just think that would be an unbelievable optic and an unbelievable fantastic opportunity for people really to get an unfiltered discussion about this topic at a high level like that. So I hope that happens. I think it's a great idea and I would love to see it. I never thought I would tune into C-SPAN and sit there with Bated Breath on C-SPAN. but if that's where it's going to air, then gosh darn it, I'm going to be sitting there with my popcorn watching on C-SPAN.

I can tell you that. I did mention Jason Sands. Let me just mention why I said his name real quick before we're done, because he's going to be on the show. And I can't wait to have him on. Jason Sands, we've been talking about trying to coordinate schedules. That one has taken a little while as well because he's been incredibly busy. You heard him, of course, on Joe Rogan. He was on Billy Carson.

He's been on a lot of other shows recently. and I'm happy to finally have him here on UAP. We are going to hit everything and even some things that haven't been brought up yet when he's been on those other shows I just mentioned. So I am very excited to bring to you what I can almost guarantee is going to be a two-part episode. I'm just going to put that out there right now

of my interview, my conversation with Jason Sands. Make of him what you will. I know some people think that he's not telling the truth about some things. I know some people think that he's incredibly brave. I can just tell you that I've always found Jason to be very credible in his approach. We've spoken more behind the scenes than anything.

And I've never been given a reason in our many behind-the-scenes conversations to think that he is lying to me about what he's saying to me. So I'm very much looking forward to bringing him on here on the show, presenting his story to you in a new and fresh way and having you make up your own mind and ask the tough questions, ask the questions that critics would ask. So that way we can get the entire story out there about all the details and more.

Like I said, some things that I've never even been discussed on those previous interviews with Rogan or Billy Carson or any of the other names that he's been on within the past couple months. So stay tuned for that one. Jason Sands, Part 1 will come out later this week. Can't wait for it. Really can't wait. But I really hope you enjoyed this.

this conversation here today with Eric Burleson. I hope you found it very informative, very useful, and a nice update on everything going on behind the scenes with Congress and David Grush and how they're trying to push things forward. I think we got some nice little facttoids there, some nice little tidbits. Oh, the factoid, right, some nice little tidbits when it came to that conversation. I definitely had a lot of great takeaways there, so I hope you did as well. If you'd like to reach out on social media or through email, please feel free to do so. It's at UA Podcast 850 on social media, Twitter, TikTok, all those great places, at UA Podcast 850, and through email, S-Deneruap at gmail.com.

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As long as you're not sick of me, then I'm not sick of doing it because this excites me and trying to find the answers and bring you as much information as possible. Very much excites me, and I look forward to doing that again in the very near future. So stay tuned right here at UAP for all those great things I was just talking about. But until next time, until all those things come in the future, because there's a lot more coming. trust me when I tell you that there's a lot more coming that I'll give you details on once we're almost there so stay tuned and follow along on social media and wherever we get your podcasts but on that note thank you all again for everything I know I keep saying it but your

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