UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 125 Stone Soldiers & Beautiful Aliens

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Could a declassified CIA document telling a story about Russian soldiers getting turned into stone by aliens actually be true?! And a woman named Jessie Rosenberg may be one of the most underrated UFO witnesses of all time. Stephen Diener tells those stories and more in this new "old school" style episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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episode number 125. And today, we're going to go back to some good old-fashioned UAP storytelling as we come off, well, what really was, I mean, I'm not like patting myself on the back here. I'm very happy. It got a good response, but it really was a newsmaking interview in the last episode there that I had with Congressman Eric Burleson. Just a quick recap on that. First of all, thank you again to Eric for coming on the show a second time. Happy to have him on, and I look forward to having him on again in the future,

along with other members of Congress, that is the plan. So for those of you who have asked me or brought up, you know, have on this one, have on this person, that person. That is the plan. So we're going to try to make that happen. But just again, awesome to be able to have Eric on and get all the insight on David Grush and how that working relationship is going, what kind of doors are being opened.

You know, David Grush, the clip that really kind of went viral from that interview was David Grush telling Eric Burleson in the committee about about 20 different names. I think Eric Burleson pointed that it was like getting a fire hose. David Grush was basically like a fire hose of information and just giving them all these different names and scenarios that they needed to know of people to reach out to

and things to look into. and looking into using that subpoena power that the transparency task force does have. And shout out also to UAP James on X. He has a great account, has a huge following, and he always always does great work. So shout out to UAP James for sharing that clip from the show, from that episode, on his account, because that helped to bring a lot of attention to that interview,

so I appreciate that. And to everybody got shared a lot. Ross Colthard shared it as well, and a lot of different accounts on TikTok and on X on Twitter there. So just appreciate everybody giving that interview attention. I'm glad it resonated.

I'm glad that people found it interesting and informative and useful to this discussion, to this push forward in disclosure to get these answers out there. That's what it's all about. That's why I do this. I'd love to get the stories out there,

the interviews out there, the questions and the answers to help push the conversation forward. That's the whole point of UAP, one way or the other. So apparently we're able to do that in that past episode with Congressman Eric Burleson, and I thank you all for helping me accomplish that. So here's tomorrow in the future.

And if you didn't hear it, then by all means, go back and listen at your convenience. Now, back to this one here on episode 125, like I said, some good old-fashioned UAP storytelling because it's always in the back of my head. And I always have people tell me, you know, Stephen, I really wish you could do some of the older-style episodes where you know you have the stories and everything and I'm there with you again not to trash the interviews obviously I love doing that and obviously that one just went really well and I have a lot more interviews planned coming up in the next few weeks or over the next month or so that I'm very very excited for and I'll give you more updates on those as they come because I just want to make sure

you know actually materialize things happen schedules change so I don't want to over promise and under deliver but I'm very excited for future interviews that I have coming up that I look forward to bring into you. But always in the back of my head is these types of episodes where I can come on old school UAP, just like I started, and bring you the stories and let you make up your mind on the stories, on the details that I give. So I'm happy to be able to bring one of those back here today. And I got to do one a few weeks ago on the pyramids, you know, when those reports came out about the underground caverns and, you know, the structures underneath the pyramids of Giza. And I told myself then that I would like to try to make.

in one of these, you know, so-called old-school episodes whenever I could once in a while in between the episodes with the interview. So it's all just try to mix it up when I can to bring the full gamut to you here on UAP. So today felt like a nice opportunity to do just that to switch it up and bring one of these to you today. Because also there is plenty of current topics to discuss as well as a couple of stories that I have been wanting to cover literally for months, maybe even for years, if I think back hard enough, that involve soldiers getting turned to stone and a story about a witness, which she described as beautiful aliens. Hence, the title of this episode, Stone, Soldiers, and Beautiful Aliens. So I look forward to telling

those stories because they have been on my back burner literally for months. So I'm very happy to be able to feature those here today, along with those current topics I spoke about, because we're going to talk about those current topics first in the factoid. Ladies and gentlemen, the factoid. And there it is. So maybe I should have called it factoid, plural, because we have a few different things to hit on here before we get into the main stories. And they involve all the current events, like I said, just a second ago.

First, let me ask you this question. Could we be getting breadcrumbs towards the truth behind the secret advanced? tech that the U.S. allegedly has and they have been hiding behind closed doors for decades. You know, some of that stuff I was just talking about with Eric Burleson. Could we be getting clues to that? Well, I'll let you decide because over the course of the past week or so, many people have picked up on two key points that have happened here very recently. The first being a comment that came from President Trump himself while he was told the

a press conference in the Oval Office. He was asked about if he was worried about retaliation from China concerning the current trade war and all those different things with the tariffs. I'm not getting, that's not what UAP is about, but just setting the stage for this, for the scene here. And he was asked about that, you know, retaliation, are you worried about this or that from China? And here's what his response was to that question. We have weaponry that nobody has any idea what it is, and it is the most powerful weapons

in the world that we have, more powerful than it. anybody even, not even close. Well, that's interesting, because he did go on to say to the reporter as well at the end of that comment, he said, maybe you weren't even referring to the type of retaliation. And so he kind of, you know, corrected course there when he realized, I think you're probably talking about, you know, trade retaliations, not necessarily retaliations of force. But before he got to that conclusion, he came out with that statement. And that is a very forceful, a very, I guess you could say,

maybe even a warning type of statement to say we have stuff that you can't even dream of. And that, of course, turned heads for a lot of us here in the UFO community who've always talked about these things when it comes to advanced tech, advanced weaponry, things that we have behind the scenes that maybe came from reverse to engineer technology. Just saying maybe or maybe not, maybe it's just good old ingenuity, like I spoke about with Eric Burleson, to refer back to that again. But it certainly did catch people's attention one way or the other. And you can also say that maybe it was just Trump using some hyperbole in order to get his point across.

It's very possible, right? He's kind of a, that's his style, I would say. But it could be that he was really giving an indication, maybe, to the types of things that the U.S. has in its arsenal. That remained a classified, you know, top secret. All the possibilities there. The fact is, the statement was out there, and it really turned some heads. Makes you wonder. But to couple it here with this.

next clip. Maybe this next clip will help you decide where he was coming from when he said that because just this week, the new White House Innovations are. I didn't know that was a thing, but good for him. His name is Michael Kratios, and he delivered some remarks that went viral at the endless

frontiers retreat in Austin, Texas. Now, this coming just weeks after being confirmed as director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. Imagine trying write that on your business card. Maybe that's why they call them the innovation czar instead. It's a lot easier to roll off the tongue. But here's what Michael Kratzios had to say at this endless

frontiers retreat in Austin. And mind you, he said this unprovoked about U.S. capabilities. We seem to have lost focus and vision, to have lowered our sights and let systems and structures and bureaucracies muddle us along. But we are capable of so much more. Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They leave distance annihilated, cause things to grow and improve productivity. So time and space, distance annihilated, we can manipulate time and space.

This is, it seems like, a very clear admission of what the U.S. is capable of. And if that's the case, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way. But, I mean, you come out and say something like that about being able to manipulate time and space and, you know, annihilating distance.

To me, that sounds like teleportation. That sounds like maybe even an admission or at least a nudge towards an admission about teleportation technology. And if that's the case, if we couple this with the clip I just played there from President Trump a couple weeks ago, the question I would pose is why all of a sudden talk about this advanced technology. Now, I don't see it being coordinated because President Trump's answer was a direct question from a direct question from a reporter it was a an organic moment um but is it

possible that this you know white house innovations are michael cratios was building off of that answer from trump intentionally i don't know maybe i'm stretching but i'm just throwing the possibilities out there because the fact is both of these comments have come out within a week of each other was this just an off-the-cuff thing perhaps just a coincidence maybe all of it is hubris or is it something more? Find it very, very curious as to why Michael Crosios' innovations are would throw that statement out there. It's a big statement to make about being able to manipulate time and space and obliterating, annihilating distance. That to me clearly goes towards technology.

That is, I'm sorry, teleportation technology. I mean, that is like basically saying, hey, guys, I'm talking about teleportation. tech. I don't know. Again, maybe I'm off on it, but I just found those two clips, those two instances within a week of each other to be very, very interesting. Maybe it's nothing, or maybe it's a little nudge for those of us who are paying attention. Now, if we do have such technology, maybe we can use it to head over to K218B. And we'll end our factoid with this, as new reports have come out regarding a planet that is being considered to have, quote, here, the greatest probability of life than any other planet ever before, of course, aside from

Earth. And K218B, well, it's definitely getting a lot of attention because of the statements that were made from it. We have found, again, what they're calling, the strongest indication of life beyond our solar system. Now, K218B is 124 light years away from Earth. And you know what, I'll let this scientist here explain a little bit more because he's smarter than I am.

The 218B is 2.5 times a size of Earth, and it's 700 trillion miles away. The James Webb Space Telescope is so powerful it can analyse the chemical composition of the atmosphere from the light that passes through it, from the small red star it orbits. Its chemical signature seems to suggest that it contains molecules which on Earth can only be produced by living organisms, and it's such a strong signal that if it is home to life, plentiful. K218B is thought to be a water world covered entirely by a vast ocean and the evidence is growing that it may be teeming with life. So cool and his accent's better than mine too. He always he sounds smarter than I do so I thought I'd let him explain but that's just it's amazing. I mean it's

an amazing discovery and it's an exciting discovery now where will it lead? What facts are we going to find out they do need to do more study on this to figure out. if it really will be, you know, that moment where we find some type of life on another planet, because they have not yet declared the finding of life, but they detected what they call potential biosignatures that are typically produced by living organisms such as algae, which would make sense because you just heard the scientists say there that this, you know, K2ATMB is essentially an ocean planet. It's a water world. And because of that, it's,

causing one of the authors of the study, one of the doctors, to say the best explanation for his group's observation is that the planet is covered with the warm ocean, possibly brimming with life because of these potential biosignatures. That's the only explanation that makes sense for the signals that they're getting back from this planet. Now, the doctor from the study did call it a revolutionary moment. Those are my words. That's the doctor from the study, a revolutionary moment.

He says it's the first time humanity has seen potential biosignatures. Again, this is a quote, the first time humanity has seen potential biosignatures on a habitable planet. Wow. I mean, that speaks for itself. I don't even have to say anything else. It's just, it's an incredible report. And I wanted to make sure that it got the just do that it deserves because I hope we learn more about this. It's not going to be tomorrow.

It's not going to be next week or next month. but maybe in another year or two as they do more studies on this K218B we'll find out if we can definitively say that science has discovered life on another planet. How amazing would that be? And maybe that would lead to more admissions down the road like intelligent life.

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had on my eye on for months to cover this story of Stone Soldiers. And now, unfortunately, I wasn't able to get around to it until now because the reason I'm annoyed is that this story has gone viral very recently. It's gone viral before I got to talk about it. So now it just looks like I'm only talking about it because it went viral when, in fact, I've been wanting to do this for months. So I'm not going to lie, when I saw this, you know, starting to go viral about, you know, the past week or so, I was like, dang it. You know, they made this super public before I could put it out there on UAP, and now it was just going to sound like old news.

So whether or not you know it, either way, play along and just enjoy the story. Maybe you'll learn something new. Maybe you think you know all the details and you haven't heard it. Or if you don't know what I'm talking about at all, then that's even better, because I can tell you about it for the first time. So better late than never, I suppose, one way or the other. So to the story, as we begin in 1991, that's when according to a declassified CIA document,

Soviet soldiers encountered a UFO and suffered a fate that is, quite honestly, very, very hard to believe. And it's hard to believe as it gets, really, because the event was originally detailed, by the way, in a 250-page KGB report. And this was right around the fall of the Soviet Union. So you'll hear Soviet soldiers. You'll hear KGB. and that report spoke about a platoon that witnessed a low-flying UFO. And the UFO, now they're on the ground, okay, and this UFO is flying overhead, but low-flying. And according to the eyewitnesses, they say it had the classic saucer shape, this UFO.

And they were actually on the ground in Ukraine. So this UFO is making its way overhead as they're on the ground in Ukraine. And obviously they're startled, they're confused, they have no idea what's going on. So at that moment, a very shaky Soviet soldier on the ground decided to fire upon the UFO with a surface to air missile. And he hit it. And it sent the UFO crashing to the ground. That's when things began to go sideways in a very big way. As the report goes, the platoon of over 20 men went towards the wreckage to investigate.

Naturally, you just shot down a UFO, so you kind of want to see what's going on. so as they walk over there, they say that five short beings with what was described in the document as having, quote, large heads and large black eyes came out from the downed craft. It was then that these non-humans did something that personally I have never heard of in any other case surrounding the UFO phenomenon. The report states that the five humanoids began to huddle together and ended up forming into a. single object that, quote, acquired a spherical shape. So, in short, they turned into a giant orb, okay? That's what these five aliens did, according to the report. They mesh themselves together, like something out of, I don't know, Power Rangers or Voltron

or something, I don't know. And I'm aging myself with those shows. And they morphed into this orb. It's incredible. But that's not the craziest part. The report goes on to say even further that within a few seconds of forming this sphere, the aliens began to grow bigger. This sphere grew and grew. And eventually it exploded by flaring up with an extremely bright light.

Now, if you're wondering, okay, before I give the conclusion to this report, this report comes from, and the KGB report, it comes from, it comes from two witnesses who survived. Okay, it was two soldiers who survived. And the story goes, they survived this, you know, explosion of bright light from these spherical aliens by apparently being under a tree. They were in the shade of a tree. And for whatever reason, that saved them from this bright light. But unfortunately, it didn't save the other soldiers.

Because according to the report, this bright light, instantaneously turned 23 of the soldiers into stone. Hence the name's stone soldiers of the story. I know. It's an incredible tale. But if it's a true report, then it sounds like these beings used, to me, this is just my read on it, they used some type of super weapon

or even a technique for self-defense. I think it's safe to assume, though, that they most likely felt threat. I mean, I wasn't there if this happened. So I couldn't tell you how these aliens, these non-humans were feeling. But if you get shot down, if your craft gets shot down, you're probably going to feel threatened. So could a weapon like that, if that was indeed some type of weapon that allows them to turn into this sphere and emit this ray of energy, if you will, that would turn human beings into stone? could a weapon like that be within the disposal of the United States or other countries?

Maybe if we go back to that factoid, maybe that's something that they're even referring to. What the innovations are at the White House or President Trump, where they talk about these, you know, capabilities that we have. Again, maybe a stretch, but at least something to consider as we put all the, connect all the dots. So to finish off this story, the supposed eyewitnesses reported their report ends with the men saying that the 23 soldiers were taken back. If you're wondering what happened to them, it's not like they just sat there. Apparently the Soviet then, the Soviet army took these soldiers back to Moscow. They did studies on them. And the studies indeed showed that their entire molecular structure had amazingly changed to that of Limes.

stone and they were stuck in that state. And the final comments within the CIA document, by the way, again, I'm not just making this up, okay? Maybe the witnesses were, maybe the KGB put this story in a report to try to fake out the U.S. and, you know, put us on a wild goose chase. Those are all pieces of speculation that you can throw in as far as explanations for this story. But the fact is, it wasn't a 250-page report from the KGB, the KGB, and it was.

was in a declassified CIA document. And in that document, it ends with the CIA agent saying, quote, here, if the KGB file corresponds to reality, this is an extremely menacing case. The aliens possess such weapons and technology that go beyond all our assumptions. They can stand up for themselves if attacked. End of quote there. And I wish there was some type of updated details, from that story, but unfortunately, that's just kind of where it ends.

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slash UAP But on to the next one Beautiful Aliens We go from stone soldiers to beautiful aliens So how did we get that name? Well, this one is more upbeat And it's an eyewitness account

of, well, what the eyewitness called is beautiful aliens First, here is a little something from our witness And then I will explain more. This story is a little bit more detailed than our stone soldiers and I think we're going to have a lot of fun with this one.

Super interesting. Here is a woman named Jesse Rosenberg. I was waiting for my husband to come home from work and my two sons went to siphate to school and I was getting changed and I heard this terrific noise. It was just like

a giant cordon of water being poured onto a fire sort of noise, you know. And the first reaction was, the children, I thought maybe a plane was crashing or something like that. And I slipped my jumper on and went outside to find my two sons lying flat on the ground in the garden in front of the house, shouting, mommy, mummy, there's a flying saucer. That is Jessie Rosenberg. She's an English woman. And she began to tell her story to a reporter

who came to do an expose on that encounter. Now, the encounter took place in West Midlands, England. In 1954, The interview itself, though, that snippet you heard there and you're going to hear a lot more, that interview took place over 30 years after the fact in the late 80s. Now, I give that timeline because I do think it's important to her testimony, given that she recounts, as you'll hear, in such vivid detail. You mean, you heard it in that first clip and you'll hear more as we go on. And that type of, you know, fact that it was 30 years later when she's talking about this,

and she can talk about this in vivid detail, that just to me, personally speaking, makes her more believable, and I think it's important when considering if she may be telling a real story from memory or if she's just perpetrating a longstanding hoax. Now, that is one reason why I have wanted to tell this account in detail because I always found her disposition

during the interview to be so authentic. She doesn't look stressed. She doesn't look, you know, worried or under duress or like she's searching for words or the next thing to say her tone of voice and the words that she uses. The way she responds to the questions and even the way she moves her eyes as if she's recalling a memory while she's speaking. To me, again, it just always came across as authentic. And that's why I've always found Jesse Rosenberg and her eyewitness account to be so, so intriguing. That said, I'll let you take all of that into consideration as we hear more of her story. And before we pick it up where we left off, I do want to mention one thing that she said in

that first clip because she mentioned that sound of like, you know, as she described it as pouring water on a fire. And to me, that brings back memories of various reports, numerous reports of eyewitnesses who talk about that, you know, worrying, kind of, like a wishing, worrying sound. And it reminds me of the way she describes it with like pouring that water on the fire where makes that kind of, you know, how do you even explain that? Like a sizzling sound? I'm not even sure how to explain that sound. But it sounds similar to other accounts, which I find very interesting.

But anyway, we'll go back to where we left off, where she described. discovers her boys lying outside in the garden. Okay, she set that scene for us. And they're telling her, Mommy, look, there's a UFO right above us. Here's how she responded to that. And then what happened next? Well, naturally, I just like, come on, don't be stupid. Come in the house.

But felt sort of a strange sensation. Wended my way up the side of the house to where we had a pump, where we used to get all our water from, and automatically looked up to see this, all I can describe, this huge Mexican hat. It was stationary this thing, and it was bright silver in color, and it had a dome.

A dome. It was tilted to sort of, I could see the occupants in it. You saw people in it? I saw people in it. There were two people in it. there. These people were beautiful, we're beautiful people.

That's the only way I can describe them. Now, of course, she calls them beautiful people, not beautiful aliens, so, but you heard her say beautiful. So first off, that reaction to her kids, I mean, there's so much to touch on there. So I want to try to hit the main points, and I want to start at the beginning where she talks about her reaction to the kids. I just find that so relatable, having two small kids. myself, you know, that typical parent reaction of like, okay, all right, you know, enough

already. Just listen to me and come inside, you know. And then you realize, oh, wait a minute, they might be on to something here when she starts to talk about that strange sensation. Again, something we hear about so much with encounter stories or even abduction stories. Now, Jesse Eisenberg or her children were not abducted. At least she doesn't claim they were abducted. She has no recollection of that. That's not her story. It's more of just this close encounter right over her house right over her head. And she feels this strange sensation like so many other people I've reported before. And what I also find interesting is she's giving these details. As you hear these details, you're going to hear a lot of familiar things. And that's why I wanted

to point out that timeline again specifically, that this happened in the 50s and she spoke about it 30 years later. So it's not like she was on Twitter or TikTok or Instagram and watching other videos and being influenced from people's alien abduction or encounter stories. This is a woman who lives on a farm

in England. Okay? This is a very simple person who lives a simple lifestyle. There is no social media and I'm sure she wasn't watching news reports in the 50s, 60s, and 70s and 80s like we see now about UFO encounters. I'm sure

she saw a couple and maybe it jogs some memories for her. Who knows? Maybe it influenced something. But it certainly wasn't like it is now. So again, just wanted to highlight that on the timeline. And she talks about that strange sensation as she looked up to see the ship, this craft, hovering over her house. And her description, again, so simple. It's the only way she can describe it as a stationary big Mexican hat.

Right? We're talking about this saucer with the. dome over top in the middle, which she describes as, you know, basically a giant flying sombrero. And she called it bright silver with that dome. And it was tilted, which I found really interesting, which makes this story, which gives it that that extra umph, that extra big detail there that is tilted. And she can see inside.

She can see inside and look at the occupants. You even heard the shock in the voice of the reporter at the time. He said, you can see them. And she said, yes, and that's where she talks about them being so beautiful. And again, just something I pick up on, in just my opinion, very common in her presentation. Again, normal woman, very ordinary life and an ordinary part of town, no visible reason as to why this would be, you know, something that would be sensationalized. Why, what's her end game if she wants to sensationalize something like this for decades, right? Happens in the 50s and she's going to make a.

a big deal about it 30 years later, which again is why I think her story is so worthy of being told because it does have those extra details of mystery behind it that kind of make you stop and go, there really might be something to this. And she is very, so in that aspect, in all those kinds of aspects there that we can, you know, lay out, she's a unique witness. So who was she seeing? who is she describing that was looking at her and she was looking back at them well we're going to hear more about it because you're going to hear the reporter about halfway through asking what these occupants were dressed in so jesse rosenberg here again describing what this scene was like what these occupants looked like and you'll hear the reporter pop in as well with his question

they had long golden hair just like the old kings you used to see four photographs of the old kings and the color of the hair was golden. Now, I was really, I would they dress, they had a sort of a pole neck jumper affair, like a skeet top suit in pale blue. But this, whatever it was, was tilted so that I could see them and they could see me. Were you looking at them through windows, through portholes or what? No, not portholes, it was just sort of the, like a, a, like a, cockpit, I suppose. This perspective or glass or whatever

it was, they could see me anyway and I could see them. And they were they had beautiful faces. I shall never forget their faces as long as I live. Again mentioning how that stuck with her, the beautiful faces of these occupants of this craft that's floating over her

and just such incredible detail. I mean, what a great storyteller. I'm so glad that her story has lived on throughout the years and that I finally get to tell it here on UAP. I'm really thankful for that. I have the opportunity to finally do this here today. Because just, again, the detail of this matches so much. As we look back on it now, this story is so great for perspective to look back on her story as she told it 40 years ago.

And we hear details like the golden hair and wearing the light blue type of jumpsuit and these beautiful faces. And that makes me think personally of the Nordic being. that are described by different people who have supposedly, according to them, come in contact with the Nordics as they're called. But I'll get to more of that in a second because this next part here is really super interesting as she finishes describing how they looked and noticed one key difference in their appearance along with some other key details here. Take a listen to this. Their forehead seemed to be a bit larger than, you know, the bottom of their faces as normal people you would expect to see. But maybe this was just whatever they had around their heads, which was like a transparent fishbowl. And they just looked.

And I was absolutely paralytic with fear. I couldn't move, although my mind was ticking over. And they looked so sympathetic. that I was just mesmerized for what seemed to be all ages, but it could have only been seconds. And I turned to sort of look down at the boys, was unaware that they were with me because I was so absorbed.

And the next thing, I looked up and it was gone. Again, so much to touch on here. It's just such a great account. Start from the beginning. Larger than normal forehead. and their jaw was a little bit larger too, it sounds like, from the way she was describing that. And that matches, like I mentioned with the Nordics,

that matches a lot of those reports about how the Nordic beings look. Some people have even mentioned, you know, is it the Palladians? Is that an option here? Because the way she describes them also kind of harkens back to those descriptions of encounters with the Palladian people or beings. just amazing. And we talk about this fishbowl that was possibly distorting their shape.

So maybe that's why? I mean, is that that could be, right? She's talking about this fishbowl that they're wearing over their head in the way she describes it. Obviously, some type of helmet that allows them to breathe in the environment, I would think. So is it possible that that's reflection of the so-called fishbowl was distorting her vision and the shape of their faces? Maybe that's creating the larger than normal forehead and the larger jaw. Possibility. And she also mentions being paralyzed with fear.

And how many times have we heard that before with other encounters? You know, people become paralyzed. Now, that's more along the lines with abduction stories where people say, you know, they wake up and they can't move. And they're paralyzed and they're taken on to the craft. But I just found that parallel to be kind of striking as well. We should talk about being paralyzed with fear, even though this is not a, not an abduction case. She's mesmerized.

She forgot her kids were even there. She's stuck in the moment. She mentions how it felt like an eternity, but it was really probably only seconds. Again, a lot of these details matching while other people have said over the years, but she hadn't heard these stories over the past 40 years

because hers was happening before the ones we've heard. And I really found this, this struck me so hard when she said it, when she said they looked at her sympathetically. and she looked back at it and it was just gone. So when she talks about this sympathetic look, why? Right? I mean, that tells me, okay, again, if this is a true account,

how do we look at somebody or why do we look at somebody sympathetically? You think about it in our own lives. It's normally maybe we're looking at a pet sympathetically. More than likely we're looking at our children or a family member. sympathetically. Somebody that's in normal circumstances, and I'm not saying all this isn't a blanket statement, but normally if we're giving someone

or have sympathetic feelings for somebody, it's normally because we are on a higher plane than them. Right? As, again, just speaking from a parent perspective here, I know not everyone is a parent, but speaking from that, as a parent, you are on a higher plane than your children. That's why we're parents.

we're supposed to teach them and lead them and guide them and prepare them for life. So we have more life experience, putting us on that higher plane than our children. So we have this level of sympathy for them. And we look at them sympathetically. Or like we said, our pets, right? We're at a higher plane. Like we leave the house and you feel bad for your cat or your dog or your pet. Oh, sorry, I'll be back soon.

I know you don't like being alone. And you have that sympathy. And it normally, again, normally comes from a scenario where you have that higher knowledge than the person that you're having sympathy for. So, that said, why would these beings be looking at her with sympathy? What type of beings are these? Are we talking about just higher level, higher knowledge, non-humans? They're so far advanced than us.

That's, you know, they look at us like, oh, these poor little humans, right? Now, that's the obvious answer. What about some of the other possibilities? I'm just going to throw this out there. You can roll your eyes. That's totally fine. But as a possibility, what if this has something to do with a heavenly being, an angel of some sort? You talk about looking down sympathetically.

What about time travelers from the future, for goodness sakes, as a possibility? I don't know. I mean, it's all very interesting, right? But it's got to come from somebody who's looking at you. from a higher plane of existence or knowledge that would cause them to be sympathetic toward you. And that's why I think that struck me so much. And then she talks about how this thing just, you know, took off. So I, sorry to hit on that so hard, but that was the part that really, really got to me.

And I wonder how much, you know, does how much of that makes sense? Do you agree with that? Now, of course, one of the main thoughts that come to mind is the descriptions, like we said. Is it coming towards the Nordics? You know, was she describing the Nordic before she even knew what a Nordic was? Again, the beautiful faces, the larger features, the blonde hair, even the pale blue suits, these all match what people have talked about when coming contact with the Nordic beings. Or maybe it is another race like the Palladians or something else altogether.

Or it never happened, right? I mean, it's up to you to decide. This is Jesse Rosenberg's story, and I'm happy to tell it. Now, as we near the end of her story, this next part here is one of the reasons why I personally find it to be so very striking and intriguing. As she goes on to describe the size of the craft and, well, the seemingly instantaneous acceleration before any of us even knew that term. Here's Jesse again. How low had it been? It had been the height, I couldn't tell you.

But the house that you've seen, it was just on top of the roof. It was hovering on top of the roof. How big was it compared with the size of the house? It swallowed the whole circumference of the roof. I couldn't see the roof was completely blotted out. The chimneys I couldn't see. All I could see was this massive object that I described as a Mexican hat, a Mexican hat without the bottom.

And then it flew away sideways or upwards? No, I didn't see. I just looked up and it had gone. But I assume it went straight up. Because for a short while, after in the sky, I looked around and I said to my two boys, can you see anything? Can you see anything? And they said, there it is, mum, and they pointed up, and I watched it. It was just like a little cotton meal in the sky.

And it circled us three times. It went round, three times, and then it just shut off. And that was it. That was it. Just a fantastic account hovering over the roof. It covered the house that that's how big it was. She eventually found it up in the sky with her kids. Circle three times, which also caught my attention.

Right? We talk about the circling the three times. We think about how, you know, accounts of orbs circling different things. Why are they circling three times? Are they powering up for something? Is that like, you know, getting ready to go into like this energy overdrive to shoot off? as she mentioned there with the instantaneous acceleration. So many possibilities there as to why the circling of the three times were they sending some type of message.

Was that their way of saying goodbye? I don't know. But she does describe instantaneous acceleration. Again, before we even had that term. But we'll finish off this siting here with this final clip. As Jessie recounts how she felt immediately after this all took place. When I started to analyze myself afterwards, I fear that I might have had an hallucination. But then I knew I hadn't had because my sons were so sure about what they'd seen and what I'd seen.

And I went through my mind that it was a secret weapon from Russia. And then I thought, well, it can't be that because when they had something like that, they wouldn't need to fear anybody or anything. You know, it sounds absolutely ridiculous. But this is the truth. this happened. We were ridiculed. It was very embarrassing at the time and people, they possibly thought, oh, she's a nutter, but you know, who cares? This is something that's happened to me, and I'm a practically minded person, and that's it. Just a fantastic witness. And again, I'm really glad

I finally got to tell the story of Jesse Rosenberg. I just love her level-headedness. I mean, the way that she can look at herself, look in the mirror, and say, okay, was it this? Was it the Russians? Was I hallucinating? And then think back on it and say, well, no, I mean, that couldn't be. I couldn't be elucidating because that would mean it would be a mass hallucination since my kids are the ones who even told me about it in the first place. I didn't even see it until the kids told me about it. So, I mean, you would have to describe it in some weird way of a mass hallucination. Why would that be happening? That doesn't make sense. So I just love, I love the account. I love the way she explains it.

I love how genuine she comes across and she says, this happened. She's very adamant about it. She talks about being ridiculed. She talks about facing that embarrassment, you know, from friends and family and neighbors. But ends up by saying it happened. And that's it. And I just, I love the way she presents it. And for me, and again, I can only speak for myself here, like I've said a million times already, but to say one more time, if I had to pick one clip, okay?

And I'll say this. if I had to pick one clip that I could use to show an example why I think she is one of the most genuine witnesses I've ever come across and why I've been wanting to tell her story for a long time now, it would be that clip right there at the end that we just heard because of how practical she sounds, because of how retrospective she is, where she questions herself and goes through the scenarios and through her entire life from that encounter. and through her entire life never once recanted on this story, not once. In fact, she went on to say in that interview that in the moment, she was paralyzed with fear. And she looks back on it now, she said, and I didn't get the playlist clip, but she said in the interview that when she looks back on it, she actually feels lucky. She doesn't feel scared. She feels lucky to have seen it.

And she says that if it happened again, she wouldn't be scared. and that she actually felt privileged that it happened to her. So just a wonderful account. I'm glad I finally got to tell the story of Jesse Rosenberg because I just, I find her to be just so credible. And it's just a great story, great detail. And I'm happy I got to bring it to you. And I hope you enjoyed hearing it.

And guess what? Now you get to make up your mind on it on what you think if that is something that may have actually happened. But I got to tell you, this has been an absolutely. blast for me. I love doing this, and I love getting to tell these stories and write these episodes from absolute

scratch to be able to come on here and create and impart it to you and tell you the stories. Just an absolute blast. I'm so glad I got to do this episode with you and for you, and I truly hope you enjoyed it along the way as well. I do want to mention the fact. Also, I didn't want to gloss over this, that I did say, at the end of my interview

with Eric Burleson in episode 124, I did say that Jason Sands was coming up on the show that I was going to have an interview and it was going to be a two-parter with Jason Sands. That is still going to happen. Again, you know, like I said at the start of the show, I don't want to overpromise and under-deliver. So this is one of those scenarios. I had it planned with Jason Sands. Today was actually supposed to be part one.

But things happened. Maybe things happened for a reason. We had to delay the interview. And in turn, I got to write this episode instead. So I guess I can't complain about that because I loved this one. I really did. And I hope you liked it too. But it is still planned.

It's not like Jason and I are not going to do the interview. I'm still having Jason Sands on the show. It's just a little delayed. So when it happens, it should be soon. And I will tell you exactly when to expect that. And so much more. And I cannot emphasize enough the term so much more to come on UAP. I will keep you updated as things material.

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