UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 127 Jason Sands part 2 - New Revelations, Missing Time, & "The Deadline"

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Stephen Diener concludes his conversation with the famous whistleblower, as Jason divulges never before revealed information about a different personal encounter he had with a UFO that led to missing time. Also, we learn the behind the scenes story involving the 2027 "deadline" and what that might really mean. What Jason says towards the end of this interview might leave you a little shook. Sit back for this jam packed episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Now, to be honest with you, I could have probably broke this up into three parts, but I didn't want to prolong, you know, more. than I already have. If I can give you the whole thing now, the rest of it anyway, then that's what I'm going to do. But the interview itself, the second portion of it anyway, is a little bit over an hour. So I won't talk too long here before getting into that, is not to take up too much for your time. I will first just kind of quickly set the table here on some of the things that we do get to in part two. And just real quick, some housekeeping. So three things very quickly. Number one, I didn't really get to touch on in my post thoughts after part one what Jason Sands was talking about with the subterranean bases.

I mean, because there was just so much in that that it was even hard for me to keep track of and look back and say, oh yeah, I wanted to talk about that and react to that. But that is something that is really a huge claim from Jason Sands. And I didn't want that to kind of get lost in the fray about what he said, that he's worked in subterranean bases. So all the rumors that we hear about Dulce base or, you know, bases inside of mountains or, you know, underground of all these different bases. He mentioned Vandenberg. We talked about, of course, you know, Area 51, obviously when it comes to things that are underground. And he mentioned, you know, he's worked in these underground bases. I think he mentioned that he's been inside two of them.

So I didn't want that to kind of go by the wayside. That is a massive claim to hear that all these places do exist. and it probably shouldn't come as too much of a surprise. Of course, you know, if you don't believe it, that's totally fine. But I will be totally upfront with you. It makes perfect sense to me that those bases would exist. I would actually be more shocked if they didn't exist, if I'm being honest. So to hear him claim that, I thought was a pretty big portion of the episode.

I just didn't want that to kind of, you know, get buried with everything else. And then the housekeeping. Real quick, the Harold Malgram, I guess revelations with Jesse Michaels, that big interview that he did, and the subsequent fallout with Wikipedia trying to erase Harold Malgram and his daughter, Pippa,

from the Wikipedia pages after all the claims that he made, of course, posthumously. He recorded this interview with Jesse Michaels, obviously, before passing away. And Jesse Michaels just put that out a few days ago, and it really made massive waves because of everything that he said in that interview about handling UFO technology

and, you know, having it really handed to him and having conversations with JFK about these things. So it was a really explosive interview, a lot of revelations in there. But the thing is, that came out after I spoke to Jason's hands. So if you're going to listen to this part two and think to yourself, oh, I wonder what they're going to say about that interview with Harold Malgram on Jesse Michaels. Well, not much because we did this before that came out. I think it was actually the day before. that dropped from Jesse Michaels, which again, kudos to him. I did put that out on Twitter saying,

you know, great job to Jesse Michaels, who has a fantastic show in his own right. But to be able to put that interview together, to have that really was a final sit down with a legend in Harold Malgum, someone who just had an unbelievable life and career. If you don't know about his life and career, I suggest you look into that and maybe even watch that interview that Jesse Michaels put out on YouTube. And I'll try to cover him more myself in the future as well. But I just wanted to mention that in case you were expecting to hear it, you will not because we did it before that all happened. Lastly, I did get something wrong, and I had somebody write me on Twitter pointing this out to me that, and I wanted to mention it because they are right, and I was wrong about

this. Dr. Michael Masters, I mentioned him briefly during part one with Jason Sands, and I said that he was a Harvard professor. I am wrong about that, and I think I've said it in the past. So my apologies on getting that part wrong, getting that kind of mixed up with some of the other headlines that have been out there about what Michael Masters has said, you know, concerning possible alien origins. He is not from Harvard. He worked with Harvard researchers, but he himself is from Montana Tech. So I just wanted to clean that up and say that I acknowledge the fact that I got that

wrong, and I apologize profusely from the bottom of my heart and soul for getting that portion wrong. Okay, maybe I overdid it a little bit there, but you know what I mean? Okay, in all seriousness, I don't like to get things, um, or facts incorrect. I mean, I can be wrong in my assumptions, but I don't want to get, uh, easy and obvious facts incorrect like where Dr. Michael Masters hails from, which is Montana Tech, not Harvard. So just wanted to put that out there. All that said, what are you going to hear today in part two? Well, just a few things. Um, we do touch on the stories of the 2027 deadline because Jason

Sands was very much involved with that date. So I do ask him about the 2027. The rumors about 2027, what does that mean? And in his experience, where does that come from? So we get into that and it's really great to hear his inside details and the

backstory on it because in so many other cases we just hear 2027 aliens are coming. But Jason Sanz is really able to give an extremely unique perspective on that date and why that date floats around out there. We also hear about a lot, and it's going to be in the middle portion. So, again, this is all Jason Sands and his views on it when it comes to the spirituality, the biblical connections. How does this all connect with God when it comes to, you know, other life and what they might think according to his experiences? So it's a really,

deep and different discussion that I don't think he's ever gotten into before in any of the other shows that he's been on, whether it's Joe Rogan or Julian Dory or any of these other shows with big names that he's had the chance to kind of dive into. And I wanted to give him the opportunity to do that here on UAP. And I myself wanted to dive into it with him because you know if you listen to the show how much that interest, that part of the topic and that part of the conversation, interest. me and how it all connects with the biblical and spiritual side. So we do get into that, and I found that very interesting, and I hope you do as well, just to kind of consider all the ins and outs of that part of the conversation. And there's a ton in here, so I'm not going to, there's like 15 bullet points that I put down. I'm not going to run through all of them. I'll just let you listen. But lastly, I will say that at the start of the episode right here, as we pick it up,

I mean, directly from the end of episode one. I go right into his really previously unreported. You're going to hear a story that he's never told before. I mean, literally, to start things off in this interview, he's going to tell a story that you've never heard before. He has never told anywhere else about an experience he had while working at Royal Air Force Base Mildenhall, which if you remember that name, if that sounds familiar,

that's because just recently in the past few months at Mildenhall, they had a lot of those drone sightings before we started having drone sightings here in the states, or I should say, you know, in a massive way when it came to New Jersey, they were having those drone sightings really just a couple months beforehand at Mildenhall, along with some other REF bases. So if you remember hearing that name, that's why if you're trying to connect it to. But Jason tells a story about his time at R.E.F. Mildenhall about an incident that happened to him around the area of February of 1999. Again, this is a story he's never related on anything else about an encounter that he had with a UFO and the subsequent, I guess you can say, experiences thereafter.

So we're going to jump right into that portion and then everything else kind of flows down from there. So this is it. Part two with myself and Jason Sands. A lot of ground here. So I hope you can sit back and enjoy right now on UAP. What happened while you were there? You said you experienced some missing time in another siting. did that all come about? Yeah, well, it actually started the day before, the evening before.

We got home, my whole family, I was heading up to bed, had a two-story, really nice two-story house there that we lived in at the time. And there was this landing at the top of the stairs that had French stores that goes out on to this little patio or, you know, balcony. And just enough room for a couple of chairs, maybe, you know, have a cup of tea kind of a thing. And so anyway, we always had the windows open, but there was no curtains in the in the French stores or anything. So you could see the night sky perfectly.

And it was a beautiful night. And I just remember looking up of the stars. And I had had a really great day, you know, with my friends at church and everything else like that. And I just began to think, you know, about God and about the grander scheme of things. And I just kind of gently projected myself off into that, you know, beautiful night sky and just thought, you know, if you guys are out there, are you guys just an extension of the family down here, you know, are you my missing brothers and sisters in

my life? I remember thinking that kind of out loud, you know, and then I went to bed. And then the following morning, as I'm getting up, it's still nighttime. I think it's February. It was February of 1999 or 2000, I think. And it was very dark. It usually would, take me about 40, 45 minutes to get into Milton Hall from where I was living at the time. And it stayed dark pretty much the whole drive in, except for maybe the last five to ten minutes at that time of year. So anyway, it's dark. I take off and get down on the main road out of town. And part of the drive is this really nice, gently, gentle sloping kind of hilly area where both sides of the roadway are.

kind of like farming fields, rimmed with trees, you know, between the different fields that are being tilled. And as I'm going down in this little valley and coming back up, the whole freaking area in front of me, behind me, all sides of me lit up like daylight. It was like, it was like, and I could tell the light source was coming from my left. The sun actually would come up behind me because that was what the eastern that was east facing behind me so that's where I was expecting the sun but this was coming off to I guess the yeah south of me and when I turned to look there was this perfect like 30 foot 40 foot in diameter sphere that was glowing it was about covered about 50 to 70 feet above the tree line

just on this farmer's field that went it was probably about a good two-acre plot maybe, a farming field and the tree line. So it wasn't that far from the roadway. And here it was just lighting up the whole thing. And even when I looked up at the clouds, you could see the clouds themselves were illuminated by this thing. Like the sun had just been put underneath the cloud. It was that bright. And then the next thing I remember is I'm traveling and I'm getting,

this, what I feel is a telepathic message saying, we're done talking now, go to work. And it's daylight. And I look back over to where this sphere was and it's still hanging there. And so I just keep driving, you know. And then I noticed I had something cold on my left cheek. So I went to wipe it and it was a tear. I had been crying. And that's when I realized I was like, holy crap, I've got missing time here. How did it get to be daylight? Why am I crying? What's this telepathic, just go to work kind of a message going on in my head?

It just came to realization that there was this missing time. And obviously something had touched me emotionally about whatever is part of that missing time. So I end up continuing. The craft actually parallels me on the roadway. I lose sight of it in this copse of trees that comes up about a, you know, a few hundred yards after this farming field. And then I turn left to get on the main road to get down to RAF Milton Hall. And it's still there.

I can see it hanging on the tree and it still follows me for about another quarter of a mile. And then I lose sight of it. But during that quarter of a mile, there were people in front of me and behind me to my side on the roadway. All of them looking up at this thing going, what on earth is that? Wow. Because it was so freaking bright. Even after the sun was up, this thing was just as bright as having a second sun in the sky. That's how bright this thing was.

So there were other witnesses during the day, like other people saw this glowing sphere. Yeah, so I think what I'd love to do is get into some archives, maybe at Mufon or whoever, New Fork, cheese, I don't know. And you see if there's some events there in the UK in February of 1999 or 2000 and see if something pops up, you know. I've done a little bit of precursory stuff, and there are a lot of other orbs that month in other parts of the United Kingdom that were cited. So where I was at was kind of just north of Cambridgeshire. That's the area where I was living at the time. So this was kind of like the central east portion of the UK I was living in.

It's an incredible story, Jason. I'm surprised I've never heard it. Have you spoken about that a lot? No, I'm putting it in my book, though. I'll describe some of the other things that were occurring in and around that time frame. And like I said, I want to do some more research on some of the other orb sightings around that same time because that's going to be my writing style so people understand that I'm going to be putting that kind of stuff in there. It'll tell a story.

It'll have the dates, the times, locations. as much as I can remember them is to, you know, be accurate about that. And I'll let you know if I can't remember the exact this or exact that. But then I'll also add in there a little portion that states, you know, well, here's some of the other UFO incidents around that same time. That's incredible, though. I mean, that sounds like a very profound experience. Have you ever looked into yourself to figure out, I mean, 25 years, 26 years ago,

what you were told that night into? the day during that missing time like what did you experience during that missing time the answer my question is what they did i think because that entire next couple of weeks i even stopped off in rendlesham forest and walked around trying to seek them out because there's a part of me it was like on an emotional level i felt as if someone i loved very dearly had left me that's what it felt like and i was looking for them and so Every day for like the next couple of weeks, I would stop at little remote areas on the way home in Cambridge here looking into the skies. And I even went down the dirt road of the farming field.

There seemed to be a person in a pickup truck that was always there, almost over near the exact same area where this craft had been. And maybe that was a UFO researcher. And if it was, I'd like to meet the guy and say, hey. But I did kind of get out of the car when I saw him one night. And I just said, hey, how's it going? And he wouldn't respond. He kind of looked at me and he was like, I could tell he wasn't wanting to be friendly with me. So I just got back in my car and left.

So maybe he was intimidated to the fact that I was wearing a military uniform. You know, maybe he thought, oh, you're one on the bad. guys, the men in black are going to come kick a kick my butt now. I think that's what we're going on. But that's, that's, no, still, it's incredible. I mean, to wake up, essentially wake up or come out of it, however you want to put it, and there's a tear on your face. I mean, it must have been an extremely profound experience and information that,

that you learned. Do you have any recollection of what happened at all during that missing time of what you found out? Only on an emotional level. I feel as though they gave me the answer to my question that I had asked, you know, while projecting out to the stars about the family and whether there are missing brothers and sisters, they answered that question is what happened in that conversation. They came to me and it was such a beautiful meeting with these beings that I was reassured that,

yes, we are part of your family and we're looking towards a day when we can meet with you much more than we currently do. But I think that's kind of what they gave me impression of. That's it. I mean, it's fascinating. Again, I'm glad you can tell that story because I've never heard that and just the imagery of that and kind of, you know, thinking about what that must have been like for you. Do you feel like you were abducted at any point? Do you feel like that was an abduction scenario for you or you stayed put and you just had this maybe download of information conversation type thing?

Yeah, it's possible that they just did it from their location there. But obviously, they could have done it just like they did with, you know, Betty and Barney Hill, you know, where they actually did get out of their craft and take me with them and then put me back in my car. And, you know, I just don't even, if the sun wasn't shining, I would have not felt the missing time at all, you know. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world. and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S.

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I have that missing time of 20 or 30 minutes. I don't know what happened. That's incredible. Have you ever or have you ever gone through or consider going through hypnotic regression with some of these things? I have. Mainly, though, if I did it, it would be nice to get the content back on that particular event, yes. You've never done it, but you consider doing it?

Oh, yeah, I definitely would. I mean, and on top of that, I would also like to, you know, see if that would also, I could bring back the detail of all the telecommunications that I intercepted to see if some of that would help with an investigation for our government and committee members. Because locked away in this, in my head are all these names and places and all sorts of things and technologies that I was privy to while I was on those missions. and I'd like to have better access to all that, rather than me kind of piecemeal, you know, and not maybe remembering absolutely everything that I could. Right. That makes sense. I do want to go a little bit deeper, I think, into the spiritual side

because we talk about Jason, and this is something that I've been looking forward to asking you for a while now, and I don't think you can correct me for wrong, but I don't think you've got to really dive very deep into this discussion on, you know, previous interviews. but I do want to ask you about that spiritual connection. It's one that I find fascinating. It's a question that I find to be one of the biggest questions of all.

Not only, you know, who are they, where did they come from, but how do they connect to us? Like you said, that night, you know, are there any lost brothers and sisters out there? Then you have this experience. So how do you feel we might be connected with these other beings? I mean, is that, is there some type of spiritual connection that we just haven't been able to tap into with these other beings.

Yes. I firmly believe that. Just as you can imagine a telepathic race, you can apply that to God. He is a telepathic being himself, and he does that. So that being said, there's no separation between my faith and the reality of God, along with the reality of NHI. them my preferred method is not to call them a NIH it's more like the family of God is what I would call them there's a group of them that are the family of God and

there have been spoken of as messengers in in various means and even current-day prophets say they're still having communications with these beings that they're sending us messages from God himself our Creator you know the Supreme intelligence, whatever you want to, whatever you want to name him. That's what I feel is that, yeah, this is at the end of the day, there's this collective consciousness that's always been there, is what my point is, is that it's a completely cohesive story when it comes to my faith, that this is the same thing. God has always said who he is, his character, is love.

that's also something I have felt in my experiences. There's all these connections with my faith that I can't get away from, but I don't get to talk a lot about because some people just lose their minds when somebody says, well, this is what I believe. Well, I don't believe that I can't talk you. I can't believe you even say that in front of me because I'm so offended. You know, it's like, no, I'm not trying to offend you. I'm trying to identify with my experience with what I know,

and I'm just trying to relate that to you. I'm not trying to offend anybody, but that's what happens. happens a lot of times. Yeah, and look, that's why I'm glad we get to talk because it's a conversation, like I said, that I've been wanting to have with you for a while, and I'm willing to have the conversation. I know some people aren't. Maybe some people aren't even open to listening to it, and by all means, if you're not, then that's up to you.

But I think it's at least a conversation worth having to put it out there, just like I always do. I mention it ad nauseum here on the show. I always just at least put it out there to let you make up your own mind. Let's at least talk about it, you know? and see where the conversation goes and see what ideas get put out there. Yep. So, I mean, what has been on your mind with this that you've never really had the opportunity to say before when we talk about this connection?

The reality of God is really what it breaks down to. I wish everybody would understand that this isn't just about shiny objects. This is about a consciousness that has been here from the beginning of everything. that we have had full access to this intellect, this consciousness. We're all parts of that person, that creative consciousness. And we contribute our love to that. We contribute our lives to that. And that's the connectivity that people are missing, I think,

when they just look at the cold hard, they want to see a shiny disk thing. It's not just a shiny disk. It represents a people. it represents an intellect. There's a collective consciousness that comes with a lot of these experiences. And that's what's being ignored. And at the end of the day, it's that consciousness from the supreme being, the person of God, that I believe is the unsung portion of all of this experience.

like I've told people before when I got into the program it messed me up big time with my faith because I'd read my Bible front to back and I had to read it again front to back after I caught out I was like good grief and I'm glad I did that because even after all the strange things that I'd been into I could see that everything that was in my in my Bible was actually just the reality of what I had just experienced how so and that's kind of who who I am. That's what I feel like people are not talking about. Yeah, how so? I'd love to hear more on that. Well, you know, you get caught up in the, let's say the science or the technology.

Let's say that you're into that aspect of the phenomenon. And you want to find free energy or you want to work on a patent for that or you're just interested in that subject matter. Or you like to talk about Pleiadians and how you feel you're being contacted and telepathic. So there's all these little bits and pieces. of things, but people are kind of ignoring that the grander fabric of the consciousness that's behind all of that. And again, it goes back to if these are telepathic races, telepathic species, of which we can become one of them.

I didn't suffer any headaches or dizziness at all when I had my telepathic experiences. It was very natural feeling. And I think it's just a part of our brain relief switched off, or perhaps we have trained ourselves to switch off. So that being said also, there's other aspects that I think about, and this is a kind of a strange offshoot of me reading the scripture

and things that people ignore is what was the first thing happened when Adam and Efe fell from the grace of God and we became cursed. He said, you shall now die. And our lives became shorter. Adam lived about 900 years.

And we gradually are now moved into this like 80 to 100 years is about all we got on earth. So this was part of the scripture as well. So we were not supposed to be dying here is the whole thing. And if that's the case, then yeah, we've definitely lost something between what we were in the beginning and who we are now. So that's another thing people tend to ignore. Yeah, do you think Jason and, you know, some of these other beings, they have an awareness of God. They have an awareness of God. They have an awareness of religion, faith, even Christianity itself? I mean, how do you think this goes? Well, I hate to say it, the reality of God is something that even amongst my other people,

you know, that I've talked to that also understand the extraterrrestrial connection with the scripture. And we all agree, I don't know how to put it, that there is a part of Christianity that literally you don't need to understand the technologies, you don't even understand the reality. All you need to have is faith. And I think a lot of people cling to that when it comes to being part of their faith. That's really what it is. It's faith. And they don't need facts. They don't need technologies. They don't need this or that to prove that God exists to them. They just know. And I think a lot of people because of that, they would rather avoid the tough questions about, well, who are these sons of God that came into Abrams' tent and gave his wife

a child and ate lunch with them, really, is what happened. That was a real encounter. These were real beings that sat down in Abrams' tent with him and his family. And they ate. And they ask for blessings from these beings. And they recognize them as sons of God. That's a huge thing. You can't get around that if you read your Bible front to back. You can't just get around stuff like that without realizing there's something more there. And that's kind of what I'm getting at is that there's these people that can get by just fine with just the faith part of it.

They don't need for me to point out that there's the reality of, you know, who sat in this tent with Abram. They don't need to be told that. And yet they'll read chapters of Samson, you know, doing all his feats of strength and judges and the story of Jonah. And they're like, oh, I don't like thinking of that. Maybe it's a child's story. Well, no, it's your Bible, dude. You can't just say that. You got to read your freaking Bible.

And if this is God inspired, then take that seriously. Stop pussyfooting around with your faith here. You get serious, you know. That's my point. Whether you're just going to listen by faith or whether you're going to read and look for, you know, the hidden truths, either way, you're going to have to dig into something and start sinking your teeth into this. You can't just show up to church and expect to be, you know, feed your brain from somebody else's idea about what you should be reading on your own. I've always, you know, everything in the Bible screams of the fact that your faith should be a personal walk through all of it.

In other words, God's going to speak to your soul in a very unique way just to you. And you can have 50 different Christians all reading the same verse, and it mean completely different things to every one of them. Sure. That's the revelation that the Bible brings. That's why it's called the living word, because it lives when you. you read inside of your own soul and it speaks to your own soul in the way that God intends because God's speaking to you through his word. And that's the thing that you're depriving people of when you refuse to read your Bible. Do you think sometimes, Jason, and this is a thought that

I've had, so again, say, okay, that's interesting or just throw it back at me and say, do it you're wild. Do you think that we're dealing sometimes with races who didn't fall, that we're dealing with these higher beings of, you know, that they didn't have a fall like Adam and Eve did in the Bible, right? And they, so they kept that closest with God. They kept that, you know, even a sense of divinity, so to speak. And that's why they are so much higher than us. I mean, do you think there's something to that? Yeah, I would say that I've done some research on the side and I've looked at some of the more religious or spiritual types of encounters from other people and read their what these beings relate to them.

And most times it comes down to the fact that these beings have been reaching out to all of us. And that there seems to be that for each species, there appears to be some sort of spiritual leader like a Christ-like being. And in our storyline, Christ had to sacrifice himself and spill his own blood on on our own behalf in order to make atonement. And some of these other races may not have ever had to have their person, their Christ, have to do that because they did not become fallen as we'd had. So, yeah, it's a perfectly, I think, logical walk through what understanding, you know, other NHI races and their faith.

Because, yeah, a lot of these encounters are very spiritual in some. ways. Do you think that's where people get lost sometimes, Jason? Is it, I mean, when it comes to, you know, there are some theories, even people within, you know, Congress sometimes to say these could be angels or demons. Do you think we're being too simple by saying that? Or is it deeper where it's like, not angels, but just other beings who stayed close to God because they didn't have that fall with, you know, with sin the way that Adam and Eve did in the Bible. And maybe you have other ones who felt even harder, and those are the ones maybe closer related to what we would say are demons. Yes, and honestly, you know, the, yeah, it's all written down already as to what exactly

happened with all of that. And I agree with you earlier when you were talking about, you know, well, who exactly fell from heaven, you know, it states right there in the Bible. A sixth of the angels were cast out of heaven because they wanted to be worshipped as God. And, well, where's the other five, sixth of them? Well, they're still doing the job that God outlined for them. They didn't fall, like you're saying. These are the beings that are also here. That's why I also believe that those are the ones that are in control.

That's why I agree with, you know, Dr. Greer that at least the good guys are in control. And it seems like the ones that are fallen are kind of like these little terrorist group. people's, you know, they get out there and do these nefarious things. And looking at some of the pantheons of God around the earth that were also here, which I feel are the fallen ones. Some of them craved human blood and human sacrifice. And they wanted to be what? Worship, just like the Bible says. Yeah. So yeah, some of these pantheons of God might be just these fallen angels, so to speak. and yeah there's many different factions because you've got the ones that are from the indian and hindu religions

you've got the north gods you've got the greek and roman gods you've got the egyptian gods you name it ashtec gods all this stuff but it's little g not a big g a little g right and that's who i think literally it jives exactly what the bible says they came to earth wanting to be worshipped And it's exactly the way the Bible says that it happened. That they fell out, you know, they were cast out like a bolt of lightning. And on top of that, he even says where they got cast out too, here, for of all places. This seems to be, I hate to say it, a place where both we and they have been cursed until we get to this next phase. And that's where I think God is playing this game of, he's not playing the game, but he's affording us as many people.

lives and souls that can be saved out of this as possible time to work it out before the judgment comes. And I think that that's where my faith is leading with some of this, is that there is a judgment to come, or an intervention, if you don't want to believe in anything spiritual about this. But there's, you know, people are even talking, there's something coming. There's some kind of an awakening. There might be a visitation, an intercession by what people call NIH, but you can also call religiously, The second coming, the judgment day, the end times. They're parallel all the way through.

They're parallel. So it all connects in your eyes, in your opinion. Yeah. Everything you say without the admission of believing in God, and then you've got on the other side believing in God, I don't see any problems. I don't see anything where one is not the other. It's just one is denying the truth of God

and the other one admits the truth of God or the reality of God. Yeah, and I know, hey, look, you know, it's, like I said earlier, it's good to keep an open mind because I know some people might hear this and say, okay, you guys have kind of gone off the deep end or you jump the shark or, you know, but listen, it's just all about having an open mind and having the discussion. So hopefully we're able to do that together. I'm just laying it out on my own personal walk through this so that people can kind of look at that and go, oh, I agree with it or I don't agree with it.

I'm not saying this to piss anybody off. I'm not sitting here to, you know, force somebody to go to church this Sunday. That's their own choice. They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're free to pick up a Bible just like I did. Um, but, you know, that's just life. But yeah, I can speak to both sides of what goes in my, in my head because I started off as a skeptic myself. So I understand this, you know, getting God out of the, out of all the experiences I had. But then when I put God in, it, it, it's the same.

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Is there something to that story that where it says, you know, this man named Vali and Thor came from Venus and tried to part, you know, tried to, um, give us this information, this enlightenment to the Vatican and to Richard Nixon and to Eisenhower and all these different characters back in the 50s and 60s. And we basically just turned him down and said, no, but you can work in the Pentagon with us for a little while. And he tried to give us this enlightenment about being close to God and all these different things and how to avoid disease and technology. And we said, no, you're going to upset the apple cart too much. Is there anything to that?

Because it kind of relates to what we're talking about. I wasn't there at the time. I really liked the story. I want to believe in Valiant Thor. I definitely believe in his message because it's very similar to my own and several others. Yeah. And I believe that he was trying to get us out of this mode of technological everything.

But here you go. you said it yourself, what did they want to do with him? Let's tuck this guy away. We don't want all this spiritual crap. Send him to the Pentagon where we can build weapons. That's really all they wanted from these people. And it's still what they want today. And I find that a huge, I don't know how to put this,

for the leadership to have lived the past 80 years in this program and still have that same attitude, I think it's piss poor. To not have risen above the, the wanting to build more weapon systems and everything's a threat mentality is almost apish in Cambrian in my mind. It's just a primitive way of thinking. I don't get it. I don't see how you could take. If there's the reality of valiant Thor, somebody like him, telling you this is the path you need.

And the guy's either very, you know, he's like one of the highest geniuses we've ever had, walk art. into our spaces, both in the government and in society at the time. And people are just sidelining that in saying, no, just go work for the Pentagon and make weapons. It's like, what the hell is wrong with you people? What on earth is wrong with you? It is kind of infuriating. Like, if it did happen, it is kind of like, you've got to be kidding me.

And we could have changed the world, you know, 20 times over over the past day. decades of all this is the case. Yeah. And in their favor, I could say that, yeah, if you do view the world as a threat, you know, everything's a threat or something could be a potential threat at any time because we might be getting along with country X and the next year something happens and now we're at war with country eggs. Yeah, I get that. So are we preparing ourselves for war? We have to do that because, yeah, we are a barbaric race, you know? And I've touched on the fact that, yeah, these other races are up against the same sort of

of things and they have problems of their own. They fight their own wars and all this other kind of good stuff. And in matter of fact, the war in heaven was to cast Lucifer out. And there's going to be another coming when everything is made new. So, yeah, there's a lot to be said about that war-mongering mentality and that, you know, it's almost the same mentality that you get for people that, you know, will drum up a fake fear just so they can control you. Like, oh, cell phones, we just found out that the Chinese have been in all the iPhones and all the Android phones.

Now we need to censor everything you say because we don't know if they're listening. And aren't you so scared? Aren't you so glad that we're going to start censoring you? When in essence, the Chinese have a very small footprint in our systems. And it's very negligible, even their false messaging. but yet they're using that as a tool to control people. That's kind of what I think they try to do with this, is they look at everything as a form of control.

That's fair. Kind of on that note, you and I spoke about something last year when we first started talking behind the scenes. And you mentioned the year 2027 as kind of a deadline date that you had come across. And I thought that was really interesting. You know, we've heard Leslie Keen talk about that. We've heard John Ramirez, a former CIA agent, talk about 2027. But you were actually one of the first people kind of mentioning that date.

What is happening with 2027, according to your knowledge, and why are people talking about it? Why is that such an important year that people bring up? Is there anything to it? For me, it's because while I was on mission in the program, I heard that that was the time window of that. the NIH were going to be coming back to either have everything returned to them, that being biologics and or craft that they own or are their family members or friends, they want all that return to them or else. That was definitely something I had heard,

and they said that this would happen at the next meeting, and they said the meetings occur periodically between 50 to 70 years. And the way that I looked at that was, okay, well, that kind of makes sense because, you know, if they came 50 or 70 years beforehand, they spoke to a different leader in the program or in our government. And since we only live for about that long, yeah, I could see every 50 to 70 years they'd want to come back and kind of meet the new guys and see if there's anything they want to talk about, you know, or fix up. So that's where I got that information was actual on mission. Now, the only thing I'm not sure of, and this is where the date could be about five, maybe 10 years off at the most, is the fact that when do you start the clock ticking? Because when I was listening to the phone call, that was in the 1990s. So if the clock starts ticking from that year, which was probably 1993-ish, or 19-93 or two,

so you count out 50 to 70 years, you got a time window that corresponds to what everybody's talking about, you know, 20-30s, you know, somewhere in there, 2020s, 20-40s, there's that window of time. Now, if you start the clock ticking before that, it might be going on right now. where these NHI are coming back with their stuff and they are either taking it by force or the humans in the program

are being smart and returning the stuff without having to go through any kind of physical altercations with these beings. But the date you heard was 2027 like that was something

that you heard in the conversations. Well, I heard that 50 to 70 years that they are coming back. That's what I heard. Okay. So where did that 2027 come from? How did that become a thing? I think some people extrapolated from that, that it was 2027.

I've heard some people that are more prophetic in what they say, or they feel that they're being revealed dates and that 2027 just happens to be popping up for them. So I've tried to dig around and figure out who started it, and it ends up maybe I'm the guy who started it and that other people had opinions about how to interpret that. So to me, it's always been a window of, you know, five to ten years somewhere about now.

That's when it's going to happen. That's just my impression from what I heard as an analyst. So if that's something that goes down, if there's no agreement made, let's say these meetings really are happening, let's say these things are really going on behind the scenes, and nothing gets agreed to. and, you know, other beings, NHI, whatever we want to call them,

are not happy that we haven't returned their stuff. And maybe multiple races, maybe just one race, I guess we don't know. And they're not happy about it. And they said, we've given you plenty of time to do this. You haven't. And now we're coming to take it. So would this be a major, like, societal reveal,

like, independent state type stuff? You know what I mean? If people see these craft flying in? Or do you think this would be like a clandestine type of thing where there's a war? war going on behind, you know, behind our backs and no one even knows about it. Yeah. And I think that's probably more the case.

I think if my analysis is correct, if I were to think the way the NHIs have been portraying themselves over this past century and even further, they do not want to go public right now. however they do seek they obviously are seeking justice for the unkindness that they were shown by the people in the program and i think that if they want to preserve their work their body of work here with us on this planet and that goes along with god himself and you know the watchers whoever else at this work if they want to preserve it they're going to have to do it clandestine i think that would be the the best option for the NHA because that way they can continue after they've taken care of the near-do-wells that did them wrong. Would this be the grays, Jason?

I mean, that's what everybody kind of always refers back to, is the grays. I mean, are they the main kind of culprit here when it comes to the technology that's been taken? But then again, the one that you came across was not a gray. I mean, this was someone who had kind of like bluish-gray skin, but it wasn't that classic, you know, three or four-foot-tall alien with big eyes that people talk. about. So I mean, is it a mix of races or what do you what do you think this is? Well, I think yes, the initial ones that probably had a grievance would have been the grays. Those are the ones that appear to have been part of the Roswell crashes.

And also in the 1980s, a gentleman whose last name was Herman also was approached by these grays and was abducted when they actually had a conversation about how badly they'd been treated. And they wished for him to go speak to our government and our president to seek justice. And when this person, who's last name was Herman, said, I'm a nobody. I can't do that. That's not the way it works here on earth. And they were like, well, that's unfortunate because now we're going to have to seek justice of our own. Kind of the thing is what they told him.

So you've got the Roswell incident. You've got this other guy whose last name is Herman corroborating. exactly what they had always known. So you've got two completely different incidents, you know, years and years apart from the same race of beings. And I think that's very telling. And then you have me coming along in the 1990s. And again, this story is reaffirmed that there's been some kind of chicanery going on in these.

There's a portion of NHIs that are seeking justice against what's happened to them and their people. So I think that being said, there needs to be some notes taken by the people inside the program that, you know, it's one thing to lie about all this, but the truth of the matter is there's something coming and you can't stop it. And you know you can't. And it's time to wake up and not be stupid about this and realize you need some help here. And you don't need to make enemies of your own people doing it by content. continuing the lives and to act as if you're aloof or you've got this and you're in control because there's no space in my brain cells that ever ever Can think of a scenario where they're not outclassed

They're not out technologically advanced weaponry They're very well Armed if they want to be these in HI They can do things that are Way beyond what anybody else can do so if the military thinks that they can keep this on under wraps and not tell anybody, well, that's the risk they're putting their own people under by keeping this all under wraps. They're not allowing these people that have nothing to do with all the chicanery between

the NIH and themselves in this program. And they're literally putting their own people at risk who are blissfully going to work right now, thinking they're just doing something great for the government. But there's this cadre of people inside the program itself that knows exactly what's going to happen to these people. And they're just happy making that decision for everybody else that's working for them as well as the human race. And I think that's something they really need to get themselves out of that habit of thinking that way because they are not gods. They are not all that. And they are definitely not in control. There's zero chance that they are able to control

any of the NHI presence. Zero chance in my brain. I can't think of a single thing that if you're up against, you know, even on a religious sense, how are you going to face down the army of God? How are you going to face down the NHIs that have that sort of a thing? You know, how? How are you honestly going to defend us, let alone yourselves? I don't think we've ever needed to be defended by our own government against the NIH. It seems the NHI are the ones that are protecting us. And maybe they're protecting us even from the people in the program. How do you think? Well, I think that it's possible that the, the, the,

the NIH that are willing to work with these program people may be quite desperate themselves. They may be come from a planet where they've overpopulated and used up the resources. And, yeah, they needed our resources to do so. And because of that advantage that we have of resources, maybe the government thought, ah, finally, now we have our end. And now we can convince them to give us technologies if they want our resources.

But at the end of the day, the joke's on them because the NIH probably you're thinking, you know, if you don't act nice, nice to us, we're going to get the resources whether you like it or not. For all the excuses they've made up for themselves in this program, they may be sorely outclassed. Why do you think they don't just come out? Because that's one of the big questions, right, Jason? me, when it comes to any skeptic or anybody who just has, you know, starts to think about the different scenarios about why don't aliens just come out and land on the White House lawn and say, here we are, we're real. Why do you think that hasn't happened and why doesn't that happen? I think they're patient and they realize that we're going through different phases of development mentally and spiritually and that this is just a passing phase for them, that there's no Christ.

in their mind. I mean, they live for 800 years or more. We're the ones that are short-lived, and we have to have everything today. I was going to ask you that. Does time work differently for them? So we're talking about longer lifespans for some of these NHI, where they don't have that same sense of urgency as we do? Yeah. I mean, imagine if we were back, you know, talking like we were about Adam and Eve and how, you know, Adam lived to over 900 years. That's like a millennia, I mean, that's what we're capable biologically of becoming again. That's what these beings are doing. Imagine what you could do with, you know,

not just seeing, you know, two or three generations, if you're lucky of your own family, but you actually get to teach many, many generations of people about the ancient days of all these lost knowledges and wisdoms that our own people have learned over time. And it doesn't get lost to the annals of time because we're just so short-lived. So I think the NIH definitely see us,

and this is a passing phase, they're short-lived people. They barely have enough time to get a hold of their own freaking lives, let alone the societal problems they have because they don't live long enough to even tackle that kind of stuff. Because it's going to take lifetime after lifetime to actually change the mindsets of people. And we're going to have to have, even then, people that are willing to

think the right way about our human race even that if we're going to, if we ever do end up, you know, finding a way to live longer, what is it we're going to pass on from one generation to the next? You know, what kind of leaders are we going to demand of our leadership? I certainly don't want somebody who's going to take advantage of us politically for their own game.

I don't want a corrupt politician running the show, in other words. I want somebody who's honest. has integrity, cares about everybody they encounter, good, bad, or indifferent. That's who these people need to become, and that's not something we demand of our leadership. We like to think we're demanding it, but then look at what we have. It's not that grandiose bunch of people, is it? These people get in office, and all of a sudden, you find out they just freaking lied about everything. They told you what you wanted to hear, and now they turn their own damn thing.

They don't care about their constituents. They don't care about the people that voted them in office. They'll sit there and be told by an entire state of people, their own state that they represent to just go screw off. I'm going to do my own thing. That's not who they are. These are representatives of the people that they get voted into. And that's something we don't even demand the politicians.

We're just like, oh, well, there's another bad egg. How many bad eggs is it going to take before we finally wake up and realize it's our responsibility to correct these people? people and make sure that they are held to account. Well, on that note, actually, it's a perfect segue, Jason, because before we're done, and thank you again for the time for sitting here and doing this and won't keep you too much longer because we've been talking for a while already. But I did want to ask you before we're done in the realm of the political arena.

When it comes to what Congress is doing now, the, you know, transparency task force just announced, you know, within the past few days or so about this UAPE. investigation timeline, April 29th, the skiff brief with UAP experts. Then you got April 30th slash May 1st, the roundtable with experts and officials and members of Congress. And then the week of May 12th, a full committee hearing on UAPs. And that was put out from Representative Anapalina Luna, who is, you know, co-chair, co-head of this transparency task force.

So the dates are out there. The meetings are set. So now that all that is there, what do you expect from the transparency task force as these dates can, you know, begin to come about in really the short term, not too far away. I'm glad to say that some of the people I hold in high regard as being very, having high integrity are going to be on that team of experts. Cool. Good. They also know them at their disposal. It's up to them whether they want to call me forward or not. I think the other side of the coin is there's also a cadre of people with very large egos

that call themselves experts, but they're really just people that want fame for themselves, and they really don't have much to say. And unfortunately, Luna's going to be courted by these people to try to get into that cadre of expertise. So there's going to be some of that going on as well. And I'm sad to say that I've met some of these people with huge egos, and I think they need to be told, you know, get the hell out of this because you're not helping anybody other than yourself and in grandadaging yourself. So hopefully there's going to be some of the bad people revealed out of the mix. And hopefully Luna is going to realize who they are as well and not invite them back.

So that's what I expect out of this next meeting is I think I'd like to also say flipping the coin back to the positive side that they have a cadre of people now. And even the public has a cadre of whistleblowers and people that are highly trustable now more than they've ever had before. And that this topic can finally get to a new level. And I'm looking forward to seeing that happen. and I don't want this May committee to get drugged down like a boat anchor with all these people that are naysayers and or doubters and or just pontificators that just keep coming. What about this? Stop. Stop.

We're just here to talk to the experts. Okay. Shut up. Pontificate on your own. But they just need to really get real with these experts. And they don't need to have people with opinions in that room. that just want to hear themselves speak. So on the positive end, we've got a lot of people that need to be listened to,

and I hope that Luna and the committee does just that, and that they really open up and realize that they're talking to perhaps the largest group of experts that they've ever seen on Capitol Hill. Wow, it's going to be something to see how all that plays out. I had Representative Eric Burleson, who's part of that team, on with me recently here on UAP, and he mentioned, you know, how much David Grush has been helping them behind the scenes now, now that he's actually part of Eric Burleson's team working on all these things.

And he mentioned here on the show that David Grush has given them about 20 different names of people that he's identified that could come forward, that should come forward, that they should talk to. Do you know anything about these names? And are we going to be surprised if we learn about any of these names of who some of these people might be? I can say yes, I know a few already, and they're people you know already. Everybody knows who they are. There's only a few new whistleblowers that might come forward in the Skiff closed meeting, but nobody's going to know they were even there.

So do you think we'll learn any of those new names? Or is it just kind of unknown right now? They want to be known. I don't think we're going to find out. Yeah. That's fair. What would you say, Jason, if they call them? you up and they said, hey, we want you to come and testify on the next committee hearing.

What would you, first of all, would you do it? Second of all, have you thought about what you would say sitting there in front of members of Congress? Yeah, I've always said, you know, that I'm here at their disposal. I've been through the gauntlet already, and I know the topics that people want to talk about. They're sensationalizing, but if I were to talk and give testimony on Capitol Hill, I would be very focused on things like I think one of the first things out of my mouth is I don't want to talk about little green men honestly I want to talk about what you can get a hold of to get your investigation off the ground and do it properly that's all I want to talk about and I think that's

how I would open up because at the end of the day that's all it really matters is getting a proper investigation completed yeah how do you how do you see yourself now Jason say you know in comparison to just maybe even 10 years ago, let alone 30 years ago when you first, you know, had your first contact. How do you see yourself now compared to then? When you think back on the journey you've been on since that time, and even including last year, you know, before you, as you first came out, you look back on this entire journey that you've been through where you were and where you are now. How do you quantify that? It's definitely one of those times where when I sit back and reflect on it, I can see a story or a pattern as to what happens.

happened to me way back in the 90s and even back into childhood and how that's all relating to what's going on in life and with this topic today. I never would have seen it come around this way. I always thought that I would, you know, just be a silent citizen, but it didn't turn out that way. There's a calling that I can't explain. There's an invisible hand that I can't explain that pushed things along the way they did. And so some of this was out of my control, but at the same time, there's a willingness on my part that went to participate, I guess, that I had to really strongly internalize and think, what do I want out of this? And I think that's what's changed, and that's how I would describe where I'm at now, as opposed to then, is I have a much better idea of what I've been involved with because I've had so many great questions from so many great people. It's really made me think harder and more detailed about this than I ever have before. Even from the first interview with David Grush onward, it's been a journey of kind of like an awakening in my own mind

because I've just kind of like had stagnant memories. And I never bothered to connect all the dots. And now all the dots are starting to connect. You know, and that's where I'm at today is that I've connected a lot of dots. there's a lot of people that have helped me connect those dots. There are people that have other dots that need to be connected that are part of this now. And I know who they are. They know who they are.

And I'm hoping they will come forward either in a closed session or an open session with Congress to discuss the things that they know about that I don't. And again, I'm very hopeful that this is going to be something really momentous that's coming our way in me. Yeah, I hope so. And, I mean, has there been, like, any hard contact that you know of? I mean, aside from your case, obviously, or like, Virginia, you've mentioned that with James Fox. Even something more recent, like the Las Vegas aliens case, you know, with the reported aliens in the back of, you know, the family's backyard there in Las Vegas. And there's, I covered that extensively.

There's been a lot of, you know, talk about that. Did that really happen? Did it not happen? Video proof and everything that I've covered here in the show, you know, quite a bit back last year. I mean, are those, do you think something like that points to a good case of actual contact that's been made, you know, either on purpose or by accident? And is that happening? Yeah. Honestly, now that I look back on all the data as well that I got exposed to and now I've added to that, that I think we've got more data than we really know we have.

I think is my estimate that we do have radar data. We've got materials that came from down craft that even like people like Gary Nolan's had their hands on and as shared with the government. And none of that's been debunked, folks. Guess what? We kind of already have our disclosure. It's just why are we waiting? Are we just waiting for the government to say we lied to you on top of all that? Because that's really what I think.

If I were to look and assess where we are at as a society as a whole, and even in government, we've got everything right here, right now. We've got stellar eyewitnesses. We've got provable materials being recovered. Really, we're just wanting DOD to admit that they lied to us. Is that why we're not calling it disclosure? Is that what disclosure is? disclosure really means the government admits the fact that they lied.

Is that what disclosure really is? I don't think so. I don't think people think about it that way, but when you get down to it, that's kind of where we're at right now. That's a good point. Yeah, that's fair. Last couple of questions here, Jason,

then I'll let you go. Do you still have contact yourself? Yeah. How so? I get downloads. I guess is the term people like. to use do you mind getting into it or is that's a little is that's too far it's um it's not going to make anybody happy let me put it that way i don't want to talk about it because it's it's stuff that

i've actually cried about really yeah there's there's going to be some suffering along with the revelation there's going to be people that are unable to assimilate what's coming and it's it's just like it says in the bible it's going to set fathers against their children and children against their fathers, that kind of stuff. So you feel like you've gotten actual, like, informational downloads of what's going to happen? Yeah, and revelation, yeah. Yep. Just like Chris Blitzzo, he'll tell you, it's not going to make every, I mean, these beings

mean us well in a lot of ways, but there's a sad part to this is that we can't save everybody. We can't save all our sons and daughters. And that's the sad thing. It's not going to make anybody happy. Are we talking physically safe or are we talking like in a symbolic way? I'm talking about the moment of judgment or the end time, whatever you want to call that, or if you don't want to believe it religiously or spiritually, an intervention from the NHI because we just can't seem to get our act together is going to have to step in.

I believe that that's what I'm being downloaded and that it's not going to result in happiness for a lot of folks. Wow, I wish I had asked you this earlier. This is, it's, I didn't know this. Where do you think this is coming from as far as like a certain race of beings? Or is this like something that even higher power that's coming? This is God, I think. He's talking to me sometimes when I pray and I have my quiet moments with him. You know, I got this morning when you called, you know, I was doing my devotion

and going through another year-long study through the entire Bible. And I'm glad I'm doing it because it's making me see things that I kind of skipped over the first few times. And, yeah, you've got to open yourself up to this, whether you're doing it through other means, through, you know, you can pray, you can meditate, you can tune in, however you want to describe that. That's all I'm doing, and that's what a lot of other people are doing like Chris Blood. and the other folks that have been talking about this change that's occurring. But there's just like with any other growing, there's growing pains. And you feel that's coming soon? Yeah, at some point when the forest fire begins, there's only so many foxes that can save their pups.

That's what it amounts to is really, at the end of the day. There's only so many of our children and our friends that we're going to be able to save out of this. You mentioned Chris Bledsoe. I spoke to him not too long ago on here, and he had that clip even with Sean Ryan talking about the star of Regulus, and he had that clip where he talked about where it's going to align with the Sphinx on the Easter of 2026 and open up this new knowledge. And I couldn't help but to remember that when you spoke about the being that you had contact with back in 1994 in Ellis Range, where you ended up having this star map, and you drew it for David Greta. rush and he said, you know, that's the star regulus. So I can't help but to kind of think about some synchronicities there, Jason. Do you think there's, have you thought about that before? And if so, how do you think those things are connected? You just touched on what I consider the

invisible hand. There's all these little things that occur at different parts of your life and you don't see them in the pattern of life. But now I look back on it and I'm like, this is the revelation of time and what I've been going through. And this is what it tells my heart and my mind and spirit now. And yeah, that's, yeah, that's what's happening. I think this is the revelation of all of it coming together, all of it. And it's just makes sense to me now. It's incredible.

Well, it's, I'll finish with this. Boy, we got pretty heavy there toward the end. How about that? something to look forward to next time. That's for sure. We'll definitely do some updates later on. Obviously, we'd love to have you back if you're open to it in the future. Yeah.

I appreciate that. On that, Jason, what's next for you? You know, we talk about all these things. What might come to past? What may not come to past? Time will tell on a lot of the things that we spoke about. But just, you know, personally speaking, and your story and your journey, what's next for you as you go through the steps with this,

entire conversation. I'm being asked to show up at a couple more big, you know, events like Mufon. I kind of missed, I think I missed the opportunity. Well, maybe I haven't. What do they call it, the thing in the desert? Contact in the desert? Yeah.

I'll be there, actually. So if you go, I would love to link up. Yeah, there's some people that have been wanting me to go to that. So that might happen. I've yet to hear anything solid about it. I've got a couple other big talk shows that want to have me in. And of course, there's some other people like yourself that have already had interviews with that want to, you know, come back again and kind of talk to me about progress or what's been happening. And then on the other side of it is just reconnected now with some of the folks on the May pack that's coming up.

And they're all just as active as that you'd expect. So there's a lot going on behind the scenes. so that I'm still going to contribute what I can, and I have been helping with what I can. So there's that. I've got my book. I'm still writing my book. I'm trying to get that done.

I need to find a publisher. It's always a challenge. Yep. And then the other thing is, other than the book, I guess it's the first-hand fund. I'd like to see some more people contribute to that. It's always there.

So if you want to contribute to the firsthand fund, I promise you that the monies will be used to help other Whistle. blowers come forward and or help known whistleblowers with perhaps some of their problems. So if you want to contribute to that, so those are all the things that I've got right now that I can think of. And I just want to leave, you know, your audience with the idea that if you're asked Jay, you know, what's it all about and where we're headed? I'd say buckle up. The reality is closer each year. When it explodes, I don't know. Nobody knows the end time. That's going to

a surprise talk for everybody when it finally does happen. Either you know, they're at our doorstep and they're saying here we are or God reveals himself as well along with all of that and says here I am and this was all about me and all of this stuff was foretold many years ago. And that's if you ask me, that's where I think this is all headed in the first places. At the end of the day this is all going to be about what we've already known all these years. agendas and things that people want it to go this way or go down that way. But I think we've already been told in many, many different ways that, yeah, it's going

to be like an intervention kind of event. Fascinating stuff, Jason. Man, I enjoyed this entire conversation. I can't thank you enough for spending all this time with me. It's the longest interview I've ever done here on UAP. So actually, by-bye. That's because of long-winded. Did you just say I'm long-winded?

No, never. I've been accused of that many times, but no, never, never you. Yeah, it's just fantastic stuff, Jason. And I can't wait to have you on again in the future. There's still so much more. Honestly, I could probably talk to you for another two hours. There's still so much more that I could have covered with you. But I feel like we got a lot of good stuff in there to talk about and to cover for everybody to hear and kind of chew on and decide for themselves on a lot of the stuff that we covered here.

So thank you so much since I, you know, can't wait to do it again sometime soon in the future. Certainly. Yeah, I'm all ready for that. And I'm glad that we've become friends. And I think we've got a lot of good things coming our way. And I guess I'd add one more thing to the things I'm expecting in the future is that I feel like I want to open up a little bit more on the spiritual side to this for the people that want to hear about it. It's, of course, not something for everybody. but for those people that are interested,

I am going to make myself available for those types of discussions. And, yeah, let's set some things up on that. I think that's something that's near and dear to my heart. Yeah, it's a conversation worth having. We did it here, and I think it was definitely absolutely worth having. I enjoyed it. Where can people find you, Jason? Real quick before we go.

My biggest contingent of followers is on X. So it's Jason T. T. Sands is all one word with the at, symbol at the beginning for X if you want to get a hold of me there. You'll find Jason T. Sands on TikTok. You'll find it on threads. And we're also that am I getting a lot of, oh, Instagram, you know, a lot of requests on Facebook too. So all of them have my name. I don't hide my, or obviously my name. And I have either, you know, a picture of what I actually look like, like I look like here, or my angry face that I just made this past week. It's more comical.

It looks more like a Marvel superhero kind of a character I used to filter on. Nice. But it still looks like me. So in any case, you'll find my faces usually on my account and my name is on the account. The Marvel version of Jason Sands. Yes. Look for that picture. Jason, thanks so much.

Really appreciate it. And, yeah, we'll definitely do this again sometime in the future. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, brother. Good talking to you, Steve. Likewise. And now the marathon interview is officially over.

Thanks again to Jason Sands. No, in all seriousness, I mean, just a fantastic experience for me to be able to really dive, I mean, super deep, like a deep, deep dive into Jason Sands, his life, his story. Like we said there at the beginning of the episode, even previously unheard stories, where he spoke about his missing time because of, and the messages that he believes he got. during his UFO encounter at Mildenhull over about 25 years ago or so. So, I mean, just, you know, going into that, going into the spiritual aspect and how that might connect and some different threads that maybe aren't brought up too much.

I really love exploring that part of the conversation. And then even going into some of the other things towards the end, like his connections to Chris Bletso. I mean, that was interesting to hear. And, you know, that's not something that we planned on talking about, just hearing kind of how those stories synchronized a little bit into it. explore that was very interesting for me, and I hope you enjoyed that, as along with so many other aspects. I mean, just thinking about something like, you know, how time might work differently for

extraterrestrials, how old they might be, you know, just different things like that, what they might be like in their society, just going over these different aspects that I just find so interesting. It's just more than just, oh, I saw something in the sky. It's really kind of getting into the weeds of the conversation and the implications about other life. And then talking about the 2027 deadline. And again, hearing that backstory to it and what it might really mean moving forward, you know, is it's actually not 2027. Is it something that's two, five, 10 years later? Who knows?

And what would it be? You know, you hear Jason talk about this intervention using that kind of that word there. You know, what would that look like in society? And what are they intervening on? What would they do in that intervention? Just so many different things. And of course, one of the last things you heard where he claims having this connection, this download type of scenario where he says he knows kind of what that's going to be like in the future. And it was so disturbing that he made him cry because he could see that, you know, not everybody would do well in this scenario.

I guess maybe to put it lightly in. I really was truly shocked. You probably heard the, you know, the shock in my voice. when getting into that. And I can tell you, because I had never heard that. It just, that's the way the conversation flowed and we ended up finding that out together. And even when I was looking at, Jason, because, you know, I do these interviews over a video conference, and that's why I'm able to put out some video clips sometimes on social media. And as I was, I asked him that question about, you know, have you had any contact since all these other occurrences? Of course,

the famous one at the Nellas Range in 94 or the, you know, you know, know, the one we just found out about at Mildenhall in 1999. And I was just curious. It was just natural curiosity asking, you know, have you had any other contact, any other, you know, telepathic experiences that you could talk about? And I could see the apprehension and in his eyes and in his face when he mentioned just quickly saying, yeah. And, you know, the mood in the conversation and in the room, if it felt like the mood changed

when we were talking this because it did. I felt personally when that came up and I realized that kind of hit on something that maybe he didn't even want to talk about or want to reveal or wasn't intending to reveal. Maybe it's the better way to put it. I myself became apprehensive.

I mean, just to kind of tell you what was going through my head, I started thinking to myself, okay, I can tell right now that this is something that he wasn't planning on talking about. He's uncomfortable. Do I push? And it was just kind of a split-second decision of

I feel like I need to ask more about this. I feel like I would be doing a disservice to you and what I tried to do here on UAP, which is to just get as many answers as possible or at least put out the scenarios so we can make up a real mind about what's going on behind the scenes. And so I felt like if I didn't push on it and I didn't ask more about it, that I would be doing a disservice to my original mission here on UAP. So it was, it was interesting to say the least. And I wasn't expecting the conversation to go that way.

And I didn't know he had those experiences. But I'm glad we were able to put it out there. Because all in all, throughout these two parts, over two hours of conversation, what I wanted to make this be was what UAP is or has been from the start, which is you make up your own mind. Because I completely and fully understand. And I believe Jason understands us as well. He's not, well, he's controversial.

He's controversial in his stories. And that's completely fine. It doesn't mean that I should not interview him. Same thing with Chris Bloodsoe. I got a lot of flack, which I actually was surprised about when I interviewed Chris Bloodsoe. I had a lot of people reach out to me and say, why did you do that? He's a liar. You shouldn't be talking about him.

You shouldn't be talking to him. Or when I talk to Ashton Forbes, he's been on here like five or six times. You want to talk about controversial. That dude is a lightning rod, okay? I mean, he has people who make up like AI videos about him. I mean, he's all over the place, but it's good or bad. And when I have on people like Ashton Forbes or Chris Bloodsor or Jason Sands, it's not to say that I completely agree with what they're saying.

It's to have them on so I can have an in-depth conversation to lay out the details and their side of the story for you so you can make up your own mind. So don't get mad when I have on somebody that you may not agree with. That's the whole point. If you don't agree with them, great. That's the whole point is to have that open discourse in the conversation. And maybe you end up hearing something when I talk to them that you've never heard them say before. Or it makes you, it sparks a different point in your head that you never consider to make you say, oh, okay.

Well, maybe I'd ever thought of it that way. And that's what it's all about is just having that conversation together. So I understand the comments of people reaching out to me and saying, oh, you shouldn't talk to Jason Sands. No, I completely disagree with that. I just want to put that out there for the record. I completely disagree. I couldn't disagree more when someone says to me, don't talk to somebody. In fact, when someone tells me not to talk to somebody, it makes me want to talk to them even more.

Because I 100% am against the mindset of let's not talk to people. Absolutely not. We need to talk to each other. So we can hear each other's opinions and hear where each other's, other are coming from and that's how you end up you know relating to somebody and at least forming your own opinion when you hear both sides of the story so i'll step up step off my soapbox there but i just wanted to put that out there as a general statement to say i will continue to have these conversations you may may may not you may not agree with everything that is said by the guest or even by myself

but that's perfectly fine because that's the whole point of it all that said i hope you enjoyed this one way or another. I hope you learned something from it and found it interesting during these two parts with Jason Sands. Now, we can take a breath and look forward to so much more to come on UAP. That is one thing that I was working on for a while with Jason. We were trying to find a date for months, literally months, to have that interview. So that was in the works for a long time. That's out there now. And I have even more in the works behind the scenes. And I will just say that fingers crossed, fingers crossed, and I believe it's going to come together. And if it does come together next week,

it could end up being the biggest week in UAP history as far as the show here. There's some stuff working. I'm not going to put it out there because I don't want to over-promise and under-deliver. I'm just going to let you know that to stay tuned because if everything does come together the way I'm hoping it does, then it's going to be unlike anything that we've ever had here for you on UAP. So very excited.

I'll just put it that way and very excited to bring it to you and update you on whether or not that goes down. So stay tuned, follow along, wherever you get your podcasts, Apple, Spotify, all those great places. And on social media, of course, you can follow along for all the latest at UA Podcast 850 on the social media channels and at UAP podcast on YouTube. Also email, direct messaging if you like, S.DEN or UAP at Gmail.com. S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at Gmail.com. I'm really excited to bring you a lot of stuff coming up. Oh, and I'll be at contact in the desert. I did want to mention that a little bit more as we get closer to the end of May.

I'll be there May 31st. If you're going to contact at the desert, come and find me. I would love to say hello. But with all that said, that'll do it for today and this two-part series with Jason Sands. So until next time, it's Stephen Dean here here saying thank you so much for all the support, for all the kind words. and even for the messages where you disagree with me because I like going back and forth with you and just putting all the different opinions out there.

So until next time, it's Stephen Dean here saying, be well, thank you, and talk to you again soon. Right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.