UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 128 Joe Rogan, Jacques Vallee, and the Pope - An Interview with Chrissy Newton

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

If you don't know Chrissy Newton, you're about to. With a wealth of knowledge and a unique perspective on the UFO topic, Chrissy joined Stephen Diener to discuss her experiences with the likes of Jacques Vallee and Joe Rogan and how she has recognized the use of propaganda over the decades against disclosure. Plus, why did the Pope rip up a paper about the ET topic that was given to him? You'll learn about all of that and more during this truly riveting interview...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Grab the Dave and Mahoney podcast now on Apple Podcasts on Spotify and at daven Mahoney.com. Welcome back in to UAP. Stephen Deaner, back with you here, as always, on the Unidentified Halian podcast for episode 128. And today, you'll bring to a really fun, really cool conversation that ended up being one of the most favorite interviews I've ever done. And I actually say that towards the end of our conversation here today with Chrissy Newton.

And if you don't know who Chrissy Newton is or what she does, you're going to find out a lot about her here during this interview, and you should know her, because I would describe Chrissy as a, I don't know, maybe she'll like me saying this, but a media mogul is maybe the best way that I can put it. She's done work with the Discovery Channel, HBO Max. She's a founder of vocab communications. I mean, just an incredible resume of work that she's done in journalism and communications, in PR, and working with Jacques Valet.

so we get into all these different aspects together. And I guess maybe the best way I can put is that sometimes in an interview, and this is when it becomes some of my favorite conversations, when sometimes in an interview it goes a totally different way, totally different direction than what you originally thought. And that's exactly what happened here. I had some, you know, all of a minute you have preconceived notions before a conversation takes place and you have your list of questions

and you think, okay, we'll go from point A to point B, point C to point D and everything's going to just go exactly the way I have it in my mind. But I'm so happy that this went just in a completely different direction than when I had planned because it just became such a fantastic organic conversation that I found to be very with a lot of enlightenment, with a lot of fun and just a cool type of discovery conversation. And I really enjoy those when it's like, oh, wait, okay, you know, I can have all the questions, but you never know where the answers might take you. And I think this interview is a classic example of that right there.

You can never know where the answers are going to take you. So I'm excited to bring you this interview with Chrissy Newton. And we get into, like I mentioned Jacques-Fillet. She's done a lot of work with him. She has a great relationship with him. Of course, the legendary figure in this UFO community. I mean, what title do you give Jacques-Fillet? thinker, theorists, scientist, I mean, obviously author, he's written many books.

I mean, just an unbelievable mind in this conversation that's, he's been around for a long time in this conversation. He did work with Jay Allen Heineck. I mean, going back to, you know, of course, Jay Allen Hineck's work on Project Blue Books. So, Chrissy talks about that and her relationship with Jacques Ville and some, you know, unique insight into the famous Jacques Ville himself. And also, how did she get him to dinner with Joe Rogan and Hal Putoff? This is just an amazing story.

So we get into that. That was one of my favorite parts in the interview. It's like, how did you pull that off, Christy? So just really cool stuff there that I think you're going to enjoy. And what did they say at that dinner altogether? And also we get into kind of like the theological side a little bit because Chrissy has done work with some theologians on her show. She has her own show called Rebellously Curious.

and on that show, she's spoken to different theologians, and one of them gave her a great story about an interaction he had with Pope Francis as he was commissioned to kind of write a research paper for the Vatican. I won't give too much away, but I was like beside myself when she told them. I'm like, that is amazing. So just a lot of great stuff, again, that I wasn't expecting to get into like how propaganda works in all this and how it's worked in the UFO conversation for the past 70 years. How does Hollywood play into all this? Is their messaging in the movies throughout the decades? So that's pretty much me setting the table, but you can tell them excited and enthusiastic about this.

It's just because this really ended up being one of my most favorite interviews I've done, just because of how organically this conversation went in so many fun, indifferent and informative ways. So I am looking forward to you hearing it. Hopefully you enjoyed as much as I did with myself and Chrissy Newton right here on UAP. Enjoy. I've been looking forward to this interview, just kind of selfishly speaking, and I think you're going to enjoy it as well. Chrissy Newton from Rebelliously Curious is joining me here today on UAP, and so many other things.

We'll get to your background. But first of all, thank you, Chrissy for making time to come on to UAP. Again, looking forward to this conversation, so thanks so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. Yes. So I did mention your show, Rebellously Curious, but that's part of the debrief network, correct? That's correct. But you've done a lot of other things.

So when it first gets you everything that you're involved with, so everybody knows where you're coming from in case they don't know already. So fire away. It's been an interesting ride this little life of mine. So yeah, I founded vocab communications about 17 years ago. And that's just been working in public relations in business, technology, science, art, film.

The only thing I haven't done yet is government relations, maybe one day. But yeah, it's just been a spectrum. And really, I really love PR for the fact that, you know, you get to learn every day like you do in journalism. So, and you work with so many different clients and you meet so many different people around the world and media members like yourself and just all these really great people that have so many stories to tell. So I get to help tell their stories like, like you're doing right now with me. So that was one of the reasons why I got into it. I also have an underlying fascination of propaganda.

So that was another reason why I. really jumped in, all the way starting back with Edward Bernays from the 1930s and the Lucky Strick cigarette campaign and like the female's liberation movement. Like there's so many things that PR has contributed to. So started there and then, you know, really found my footing in journalism about five years ago because PR and journalism are obviously connected. So I switched teams and went to the light side because they consider PR the dark side, went to the light and moved into the journalism space. And I just, I love it, you know,

and also something I have been wanting to do more on camera. Not so much that writing was the first thing I jumped to. I'd love kind of telling stories, but it really resonated with me. And along with then starting my podcast, Rebelliously curious with Chrissy Newton. And then obviously I said before, writing with the debrief.

But now it just discovery came to me with Mitch Horowitz, our show Alien Encounters, Fact or Fiction. and that was really just a kick off of doing work with Discovery Channel and hopefully doing more work in that space and just really deeply loving the UFO topic. That's awesome. I mean, it's a great background. And I mean, it's just so cool how one thing can lead to another. You know, and ultimately you just kind of fall into like this passion that you just can't really get enough of looking into and finding answers about. Is that kind of what you found?

You had that domino effect? Yeah, I did. And it really was, you know, sometimes you do have to sacrifice certain things for things that you love in context of your passion. You know, like, I don't have kids, right? So people are like, how the heck do you do all this stuff? And I'm like, well, I don't have children. I'm like, you know, percentage of your money and time goes into kids. And a lot of the time, it's just me and my cat.

Right now, you know, it sounds sad. But it's true. So, right? And I'm like, you know, traveling and learning and living my life fully right now and following that passionate and really deeply loving it and feeling extremely grateful that I get to do this, right? It's not, you know, I'm working a lot, but at the same time, I do enjoy it. So it's like trying to find that balance between loving your career, not hating it to a point where you're doing it so much that becomes like such a job where you don't want to wake up every day and do it.

But now I'm just feel like I'm very grateful to be taking the time in my 40s, as I can say my and living that and feeling like I'm doing the right thing and I'm living my purpose. That's, yeah, that's spectacular. I mean, and I can attest, by the way, to the kid thing. I have two of them and they do take up all of your time and money. So, yes. And again, all the work with Discovery, HBO Max News Nation, just you've been everywhere. So it's just a great job all around with everything that you've been doing.

And obviously part of that is your work that you've done in the UFO, topic. And I know we've spoken about that on your show and amongst a couple of other things that we're going to get to here today. I know we've spoken to some different theologians and how the UFO conversation intersects with the faith conversation, which as anybody who listens to the show knows that that's one of my main interests. So I can't wait to get to that topic with you. But I just in general, how did you kind of end up leaning into the UFO topic? Like what was the background for you that made you say, I do want to dig into this because, I mean, let's face it, it is still kind of a little bit of that taboo thing in mainstream media.

It is. There's a couple of things. When I was a little girl, you know, my dad showed me a UFO photo that he took with a group of people when he had his own sighting. And I remember him talking about it only with friends and saying, you know, I don't like to talk about it with a lot of people because he was scared of the ridicule. So he showed me that little photo when I was a little girl and I was like, what is this? Like, oh my gosh.

And it was like that total intrigue and spark inside of me. And I remember thinking like I'm so curious. I want to know what this is. And then also watching him, you know, a major influence for sure as a father being like looking at these things, reading books, asking questions. You know, I always joke around. I was saying in the earlier podcast this week where I was saying it's funny, my dad will say things like he's so quotable, but like funny quotes. And just makes me laugh. He said, you know, Chrissy, we're in the driving one day in the car.

He's like, you know, Chrissy, I'm not a local thinker. He's like, I'm not even a global thinker. He's like, I'm an intergalactic thinker. Nice. I know. And I was like, it's true. I'm like, he is. And I just laugh so hard because I'm like, that's our family.

I'm like, you know, saying the most corny of things. But like, really just interested in life in the world and curious and a very curious, curious family. So that's where it started. And then as I started to grow and understanding public relations and liking the idea of learning more about propaganda, not so much using it, but the understanding the mechanism of it, that all kind of feeds together. You know, all the things that I really liked, science, technology, passions that all led to the same road as UFOs, right? Like they all kind of intersect together, really loving culture and digging deep into that. My best friend and I, you know, talk about culture all the time with intersections of what's going on in politics and science. and even with my dad, you know, and world issues.

So all of those things kind of came together and just being curious and learning and then finding myself realizing that, you know, journalism probably is the best place for me to be outside of telling other people's stories. And I am still telling other people's stories, just doing it in a different way. And maybe being a little bit more of pushing those stories myself in the forefront rather than being behind the camera or behind the pen. Or I guess I am behind the pen now, but behind the person. I guess I still am too, but you know what I mean.

I know what you mean. Yeah. And that's great because, you know, it's really interesting to tie in the propaganda portion of it because we still see that today. I mean, so what have you seen as far as how propaganda is used in the UFO topic from the opponents of it, from the people who, whoever those people are, companies or contractors or whoever, military, whatever you want to say, whoever they might be, how they use propaganda to steer people away to make them. them think about this in a taboo kind of subject. Yeah. Oh, for sure. There's so much of that.

Like right now, it's kind of like sifting through what is the modern day propaganda, right? Because we are living in propaganda within the UFO topic to some degree or disinformation or misinformation or misinformation is another aspect, I would say, of propaganda as well, right? That can be used to mislead people to think of other things or think of something that is actually not a correct narrative. So really sifting. through that now is a challenge. And every day I'm kind of thinking about it at times going,

you know, what is our current propaganda in this topic and then also around the world. But when we look at, you know, in the 1950s and the 1960s, we look at the Condon report that came out. That was a huge aspect of a scientific community that came together and said, we are not going to take UFO seriously. There's nothing to see here. And put together a report that said, how do we discredit the UFO? topic. So how do we go about doing this? And this is very much a PR thing. And I will use that as like using it for disinformation or misleading people with misinformation as well, because they are similar but different. And being able to lead people down a road and say, well, let's just stigmatize this because we don't want people to look more into the UFO topic. There could be

many reasons because of that. They know more or they're protecting national security or both, not mutually exclusive. So I think that we look at the Connor report is really that example of, yes, this did happen in the UFO community. Yes, this has happened. And it hasn't happened in the UFO topic and it was done through government. So we have to be mindful that this could be happening now.

With that said, it is against the law to do a disinformation campaign on the American people and I believe Canadians as well. And I would imagine other countries around the world have different laws about this because we've seen that how can affect people's mental health, the way that they view themselves, the way that they work in society,

and so many reasons. But when the condom report happened, that wasn't against the law. They were able to do that. So some of these recommendations were having people like yourself, you know, people that were on the radio or people that were figures and experts in multiple different spaces that people looked up to and had them discredit the UFO topic.

They would show documentaries in military and schools and all these different areas to say, like, well, here's a case and we figured it out, so UFOs don't exist. There was so much of it. It was recommended that the Disney Corporation would go in and make cartoons or other animations discrediting the UFO topic. Now, I've been trying to find any of those other videos. Like, we have seen Disney do stuff around the UFO topic, but I don't feel it was as much as discrediting. But that was a recommendation. We just don't know if it's been implemented.

So we don't know out of like a list of like 50 things. There's way more than that that they implemented or what they did implement. We don't know. But what we can do is probably point back to history and currently what's happening now and say, well, more likely these things probably did happen. And we can find remnants of some of them. But we can, we know because of how stigmatized when we got into the 80s that the UFO topic was. It went into tabloids.

You know, you know, Bill Clinton was hanging out with aliens. you know, George Bush was saying, you know, with aliens. Like it was so stigmatized within the tabloids. And that would be in the mechanism from earlier recommendations, I would imagine from the 60s and the 50s, the 50s and the 60s. I'm curious, Chrissy, in your experience, you know, working with PR and everything in the past and all your experience in media and news media,

how do you think this plays with Hollywood? You know, we've seen so many movies. whether it's going way back to the original War of the World, not even the one with Tom Cruise and Spielberg, towards Men and Black to that War of the World, to E.T. and close encounters and all these different movies throughout the decades. Do you think Hollywood is used as a vehicle

to drive people toward getting comfortable with the idea of other life? Or do you think it's used as a propaganda tool, or is it a mix? I've asked that question to Lou Elizondo. Okay. You know, when I interviewed him for the first time, with a group of people on an earlier podcast that I was involved in. And he was funny. He said,

you know, you should ask Tom DeLong that, Chrissy. And I kind of laughed at that because I was like, hmm. And I should, we'll re-ask him that question again. But there's many books that are about this. There's silver screen saucers that's out there. And Bryce Zabel is like a dear friend of mine. He is on Need to Know that works. He's on a podcast called Need to Know with Ross Caltech from News nation. And Bryce knows all about this. But I'll take some points from what I know from what Bryce and I've talked about as a producer that did Dark Skies that won so many awards that really focused on the UFO topic as well. And in the unknown, he had multiple experiences, specifically at his house and at a party where people came up to him and said that, you know, that what he was doing,

he was going down the right road. And this was in the early 80s, I believe, in 90s. So I think there are some influences for sure. I do think a lot of it as well as just like, you know, we like to make our own folklore up in this community too. So we like to drive a little myth going. So I think there's a lot of that as well. But I do think that entertainment in Hollywood for sure and the government to some degrees are connected in this and influenced. We see it in the science community. Lots of scientists will go on major films and they consult on it. Why wouldn't government officials potentially do that as well or former government officials. So I think that there is probably some overlay and we see it within news. We see the influence. I don't know if I'll call it propaganda,

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with Discovery, there's a couple things. You know, executives are really smart in their area, but they're not always sometimes well-rounded in the subculture or the counterculture that they're really trying to focus on, right? And this would be the UFO topic. So when you bring in people that are really embedded into the space, there might be conflicting ideas. So you're saying, well, you know, you're doing stuff for TV ratings, but you're like, that's actually not fully accurate, right? And we see a lot of that. And it's not because they're trying to manipulate and they're doing it because of some kind of agenda. They're doing it because of their own agenda,

not a government agenda. They're doing it because they know what ratings are, and they actually, sometimes unfortunately, think people are dumber than what they are. And that really, I would love to change. And that's where hopefully one day,

I'm in this space where all, you know, hopefully get to convince an executive, that people are a lot smarter than they think they are, at least when it comes to science and especially UFOs. We have all different types of people. And so we need to give people credit for that. But I do think that there for sure is some influence. I think we would be,

it would just be naive for me to say there, there hasn't been. Yeah. It's really interesting, too, that you bring up the science aspect of or scientists. Jog my memory I had on Paul Heineck on the show sometime ago. He was brilliant. And we had that subject actually came up because he's good friends. I'm sure you know with Neil DeGrasse Tyson. And I asked him about, you I said, why does Neil deGrasse Tyson kind of really downplay this in such a public manner? Like, he kind of, honestly, kind of ridicules it in some cases. And we kind of just spoke about it a little bit and tried to, you know, be nice about it. But I pose the same question to you.

Why do you think we see something like that, specifically with someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson or maybe someone else, a prominent, you know, person within the field of science? Yeah, Carl Sagan, you know, was very back and forth. at this topic too, right? So I think that when you look at people that are more materialistic science, and I believe that I think Neil DeGrasse Tyson probably leans into more materialistic science, and that's why, because materialistic science would say that some of these things don't exist. I think that there's these archetypes, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson plays very much an archetype in this space, and there may be reasons for it for his career. I think he is probably way more open-minded about

UFOs than he says, but I think it's just a positioning thing. And unfortunately, I hope that he changes his perspective when it comes to media. But having a conversation with him, you would see that there's probably more glistening's of hope of metaphysics and things that are in his perspective and in his mind than we're probably seeing on camera. Well, someone that I would say absolutely has a scientific mind is the great Jacques Valet, someone that you have a relationship with that you worked with. So I wanted to ask you about your relationship with him and how that kind of came about and what you guys are doing now together. For sure. So funny enough, I, you know, I do some PR obviously for the debrief outside of podcasting and working with them in journalism. So I was working

on a whole bunch of other projects. I did the PR for Aero phenomenon with Randall Nickerson. And there was a lot of people like watching my PR work that were like, wow, like you're actually pushing this into the mainstream. You know, you're helping to push this into the mainstream, Chrissy. But with Jack, he had a book that's come out named Trinity. And I ended up getting a call and saying, hey, would you like to do the PR on it? And they're like, we'd love you to talk to Jacques Valet. And I said, yeah, I would, I would love to speak to someone about, I love to speak to him about it. And he ended up calling me. And I remember thinking, I'm like, oh, my God, this is the godfather of UFOs. It's like, you know?

Yeah, that moment. Yeah. Right. And like, hello. I'm like, wow. Like I just remember, like I fangirled a little bit on the film, which is like, which I'm not like common to do working in PR. But I did for sure a little bit and just saying how much I respect him, right? And the work that he's done. And so he said, let's work on this project together. And so I did the work with Trinity. And, you know, it was funny because it's sometimes things take a while to happen. And it really has to be in the news media as well to get certain topics to. be picked up because Trinity had some like negative connotations people liked it or they didn't was it real or was it not like every other UFO topic and outside of that you know we know we had challenges but we knew that through legislation they were going to be looking back all the way to Roswell and so because of the press that we did with Trinity we I believe we did help the government to be able to look back even further when Trinity started so when I did some pieces I had to reverse engineer how I would do the PR because I actually had to go through other outlets like the Daily Mail, funny enough, to get to the mainstream.

And I know this because I will not say who, but somebody that's part of CBS said to me, you know, we won't look at this unless the Daily Mail is doing it. And I was like, what? It's like the weirdest thing. I was like, okay. So I was like, let's try this tactic. Let's reverse engineer it. Let's try, which is funny because the tabloids used to criticize UFO.

Now we have to go to the tabloids to get it to the mainstream. So I was like, how ironic is this? But it is an example of how the media mechanism does work. And so I did, went to a specific writer. We did a whole piece on it. But it was right around the time, too, where legislation was being looked at and the wording was being looked at. And how do we put UFOs into legislation and or the topic or whistleblowers into it?

And then what ended up happening is that piece came out at the New York Times called me And so we like to do a larger piece on this. And I said, yeah, let's do it. And so then we created a larger piece that went, we got syndicated for the day in all different times outlets, New York Times outlets, Seattle, Seattle Times and everywhere else.

And then Tucker Carlson picked it up and a whole bunch of other people did as well. And it helped. And it was one of those things where it was focusing apart on Trinity. And but, you know, and it wasn't like if this is true or not, you know, Jacques Valet has a lot of evidence to prove his argument. But outside of it, it was just part of that discussion.

and why it was important to go back to these times and why historically it's important to look at UFOs for data correlations. And so that was one of them. And then after we did that project and just gone to know each other and I feel very lucky I get to chat with him, has become a friend, a very wonderful friend. And he's super funny. Like he's super, super funny. And which, you know, he's got such a great personality. And he's just a big, gentle giant.

And I have so much respect for him. And as a human and as a person, he is such a great man. and he's just a really good human. And he deeply cares about this topic and he deeply cares about people. And I feel very honored that I do get to talk to him at times and work with him because I feel like he's one of the best people that have probably lived, at least as a thinker in this topic.

And just as a wonderful human. You know, he's not perfect, but he does really deeply care about humanity. And I think we need more people that care about humanity and science and take them both equally as important, not just the data. Yeah, that's fantastic. And I love the backstory. And I'm sure you've heard it before, but one of my favorite analogies comes from him when it comes to how to explain the possibility of interdimensional beings and the fourth dimension, so to speak. And he talked about the fly in the box analogy where the, you know, you have a fly, you put it in the box, but then you take the top off and the fly is still flying around the box because that ceiling was there.

We believe that ceiling is there. So I just love that analogy. I think it just paints such a stark picture of what it might be. Yeah. And I think shock is just, he's an intergalactic thinker, as my dad would say. That's a good way to play. Yeah, he's a, he really is. But, and he's really open to knowing that the evolution of his ideas are just an idea and it's just started, you know, as a theory.

And we're maybe not there yet. Because I did ask him when I was visiting him at his house to start this other project we just finished with his new book, Forbidden Science 6. And I remember saying to Shaq, I'm like, do you still think that the interdimensional theory is still relevant today? And I'm like, is there anything else that you think is a new theory? And he said to me, no. He's like, I just think that, you know, it's just literally it's like infancy, right? Which is kind of funny because we've been doing infancy for like over 70 years, right, or longer. of just infancies of this idea.

But he says, I think for his theory, it's kind of like one of those points that we've kind of will look at as a theory point in history. But then when we get to a point of, it will be something totally different. And we don't even know what it is yet in context of that theory.

So I thought, you know, it's very bright for a man to be like, you know, very humble to not say like, well, you know, yes, it is. Instead being like, no, I don't know. And it just started. And, you know, and it will keep going. And he's just, he's just very humble that way.

And sometimes he's so humble. You have to be like, you know, you are Jacques Valet, right? That's funny. Super fascinating. I just love that thought of the evolving conversation. He's definitely on my short list. I've never had him on UAP before. So I would love to be able to talk to him one day and throw these scenarios out.

What is something that you would want to tell somebody? about Jacques Valet, you know, because we watch clips, we watch documentaries, we read the books. What is something, though, that someone says, oh, you know what? I followed his workover, say, the past 20 years. What could you tell me about him that I don't already know? What pops into your head if someone asks you that question? Oh, gosh, that's a great question. I'd have to think about that.

Because I really do think he's pretty transparent of who he is when it comes to, like, how much he loves love, like he's such a Frenchman, you know, how much he loves his family, Because he's so intimate with his journals that I think we know so much. What you see is what you get, you know, of Jacques Valet. The one thing I think people might think is because he's a venture capitalist. He's an astronomer. He's, you know, he's he's so many things. He's very mild-mannered.

And I would imagine that people would think that. And again, like funny and mild manner in a big, gentle giant. and very open, like to make, he's one of the best clients I've ever worked with, really, just as a person. There is one thing I did say to him, and I would, people could probably imagine this, those reading edge of reality and that he wrote, co-wrote with his best friend, Jay Allen Heineck, right? Who ran Project Blue Book for people that aren't listening or people that are listening, sorry, and don't know who it is. And I said, I just, it's so unbelievable like the connection that you guys had, like literally a soulmates his friends. doing this topic. I said it must have been amazing at the time to have your best friend doing this work with you and like having this unbelievable relationship and solving trying to solve all

these mysteries of the universe together and doing it in such a way that is funny and human. And he just wrote me back and he said, yeah, Chrissy, he's like, I just, I miss him so much. I miss him dearly. It makes me want to cry. And I was like, oh, like, you know, that that friendship and like that amount of like connection, I think is so unbelievable. We talk so much about the data, but we forget about how those relationships and those friendships come together and how those people can create some of the most meaningful work that will ever exist for us, especially in this topic. And it was done by two friends that have the best sense of humor and just love UFOs and

metaphysics pretty wild. That is so cool. Thanks for that story. I've never heard, never heard that before. So that's a great perspective. So well, speaking about kind of like that. fellowship. You about a month ago or so, maybe about a month a half ago, you were down in Austin for the age of disclosure, and you had some fellowship at a pretty interesting dinner

table. I wanted to ask you about that. It was you yourself, Jacques-fil-A, I believe, was there with you, how put off a couple of others, and Joe Rogan. So how do you get that table together, and what was the conversation like at dinner that night? It was, it was why. It was why, wild. So really how it started is that we were, I, you know, I pitched Jacques Valet to be on Joe Rogan and that was approved through one of the producers and just said, you know, this is a really great time to have him on to speak about the UFO topic. And like, and like, as we know, Rogan really likes UFOs, right? He's learning more and more and he's just as curious as we all are, right? And so I pitched it and then it was approved, but it was funny because when the time we were need to do it,

Jacques was in Paris and we asked if we could push it back to March. And the funny thing is that none of us realized or maybe Joe Rogan did in the team, but none of us really realized that it was during South by Southwest. Like it wasn't a big point. So it was kind of like serendipitous that the age of disclosure like literally overlapped with Jacques Valet being there and all of us. Right. So I was like, well, that's very interesting because I didn't know that until I was literally

booking this dinner. And I thought, okay, well, I'm like, how about I do this? I'm like, this is a great time for me to get Joe Rogan in the room with Jack Valet and also for myself to get to know him a little bit and be able to talk about this topic over dinner. I said, why wouldn't I do that? He's probably got tons of questions and I'll see if he'll want to come to dinner with us. And so funny, then I selfishly, this is very true. Selfishly, I was like, you know what, I'd love to meet Hal put off.

Like I've met him quickly before at a conference, but I've never like talked to him. I've had his email and, you know, we've never really had real life correspondence. face to face. So I message Robert Powell and I said, you know, I'd love to bring everybody together and be able to have this dinner. And I said, it would be wonderful for you because Robert Powell owns S-CU, the scientific coalition for UAP studies. I said to have dinner with us along, can you bring Hal put off? I'd love to meet him. And you've said, you know, if he's in town, he'd introduce me. And he said, yeah, let me ask Hal. And I said, well, I'll bring Jacques. And I said, and I'll ask Rogan to come with us because I said, this is a great place for everyone to connect over dinner.

And also part of like a little bit of a goal and a mandate for myself is to get people connected, right? To like share ideas in the space as a PR person. That's what we do. Right. And also just I thought this would be a great time. And what a great dinner, right? Like why not? So it really started with the four of us.

And then I started and then realized it was by South by Southwest. And a friend of mine I told Dan McClure, he lives in Toronto. He's a finance cat down here. And he's amazing at it. Just brilliant. And he said, can I come? And I said, yeah, for sure. I say he's like one of my best friends.

We travel a lot together and do this topic and talk about this topic and research it. And he's very much in it from a different perspective than I am, but we are very close friends. And I said, yeah, Dan, I'm like, you can totally come for dinner. I said, if you want to fly to Austin. And he said, yeah, I'm coming to Austin. Wow, yeah. Okay. Right.

And so, but it was great for his perspective because he has a business perspective in this and a finance perspective. He's also just a really great thinker as well. So then that ended up happening. And I was like, okay, we'll dance for dinner. And I was like, I got to find a place that can hold all of us, but has a room that's wide enough because we have people that are getting older. So we need to have less background noise. So I found a steakhouse that funny enough show Rogan loves to go to.

So I got a call last minute saying that Rogan was coming. And I was like, perfect. This is wonderful. And then in the photo that you don't see, I ended up of inviting knowing that Jay Stratton was in town. And so invited Jay Stratton to come. And then along with Dan Ferreira ended up showing up as well. And so they came after our initial kind of dinner with Joe Rogan. And then Joe Rogan brought his friend, Josh Dublin, I believe it's Dublin or Dublin,

who is a lawyer but works for like a civil rights lawyer working with people that are wrongfully imprisoned. Like unbelievable. So he was sitting on my other side of me. And I was like, wow, like you're like, you're amazing. Thank you for doing what you're doing. I said to him. And like, and I said, do you know this topic?

Is there anything that you might want me to ask? before we kind of start this conversation. He's like, no, I've been in this topic for a while myself. I said, okay, cool. You know, people closeted loves UFOs and they just don't talk about it. Right? I love that. So everybody just really leaned into each other

and everybody accepted the dinner invite and it was just really wonderful. And that's how it happened. But, you know, I'll say the stars aligned because everybody was in Austin for Asia Disclosure. If we didn't push back that interview, it probably would have just been the four of us. us at dinner because how put off lives in Austin. So it probably would have been the four of us.

It wouldn't have been everybody else. But things happen for reasons. And I think from what I know, Joe really enjoyed his time. And it was just a really wonderful dinner with a group of people that are just deeply curious and want to ask questions and learn. And Joe is just, he is exactly what you see is what you get. And I have deep respect for him for coming out and being able to talk to all these different wonderful minds at the table and, and be able to. And be able to. open and you know he was just so gracious um and i i have a lot of respect compared to what people might say about him now and in different topics that he that he talks about i do think that well at least with the ufo topic he really does care and he's trying his best hey guys so before we get back

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wild that that's all in one room today. Yeah. And that's amazing to have that all come together, have all those people. I mean, you have to understand, Chrissy, like, that's a legendary moment, right? I mean, to have all those people together at the table, literally breaking bread together, and you orchestrated that to bring all those minds together, to have those conversations. That's something like someone would make a painting about like an ideal table of people to sit at and talk about this topic. I'm going to cut that part into the interview and put it on my social media.

It's joking. That's so nice to you're going to say that. No, absolutely. Please do if you like. I welcome it because it's true. I mean, that's like the ideal table of names and personalities and thinkers to have and sit together. So, I mean, what was that conversation like if you could just take like little bits and pieces about what was said that night that really stuck with you? Once you got back to your room and you got to reflect and say, wow, that really just did happen and kind of sit back and say,

we talked about this. Oh, that was amazing. That part was incredible. Like, what stuck with you from those conversations? Yeah, we talked about data in many ways. And Robert Powell and, you know, and everyone that's that was there along with like how put off and Jacques Valet were speaking heavily about experiences, right, that we were looking at. We talked a lot, obviously, about UFOs. But we talked about warp drive technology. We talked about adjacent edge science technologies. We talked a little bit about Canadian politics. Someone threw us under the bus. and was like, you got two Canadians in the room and we're like, you know, so, you know, Dan and I were prepared to have a, you know,

a little bit of a conversation about that. All in good fun, I'm sure. Oh, for sure. Like, Rogan was just, and it was a very, it was a, it wasn't a massive part of the discussion. It was just an element of discussion. But we did. We talked a lot about edge science adjacent to, uh, UAP technology. And what is that?

And then like other past government programs that happened, along with them, other people's perspective and Joe just asking people's perspective. There was just many, I'll say a few things I won't mention that we did talk about because I feel that that wouldn't be fair to everybody. But there was, a lot of it was UAP discussions adjacent to edge science, which was really important and how edge science is crucial in understanding UEP and in what not saying this was discussed, but what I do believe in with the National Science Foundation and a lot of other government agencies thankfully are doing is funding those private companies to be able to look into

edge science and technology so that we are on the forefront of it compared to foreign adversaries taking the lead. So there was, you know, talk mainly into those regards of edge science and what edge science is happening right now. So just exciting. And then just Rogan learning more and learning more about the individuals in the room as well. Thank you for that segue, because that's exactly what I wanted to ask you next about that edge science topic, and specifically the warp drive portion of that topic. There was a couple of clips of Joe Rogan. I know one that you shared specifically after your dinner where he's bringing up warp drive,

and he's having those conversations, and he's kind of talking about how that might be possible. What is your outlook on something like that, like a warp drive, you know, free energy, things of that nature? because it is, it's kind of like at the edge of where all this might go and what it might already be. We're just not fully aware of how it works. Yeah. So Sunny Harold White, I spoke to Rogan about, was, is a warp drive, like scientist, right? He's an engineer in this.

And he came across with limitless space under a darker program accidentally came across making a warp bubble, right, in a lab, which is unbelievable, right? It's not like in some massive size around a ship, but it was possible that it can be done, right? It was the infancy of it. And so the reason my warp drive is so important. And I should first of all give a head, you know, a thank you to Christopher Plain, who writes at the debrief. He has broken all of these stories for us. It's not me in this.

Christopher Plain is unbelievable writing in his reporting that he's been doing in his journalism as a leader in this space. I would say for all media right now around the world, he's doing the best work right now on it. So I'm very lucky because I get to pick Chris's brain and then he's introduced me to a lot of these people as well. So I can interview them and pick their brains and have them come together and be able to share their information and their stuff through doing PR for the debrief with them. But Sunny Harold White was one of those people that Chris ended up connecting with around warp drive technology. And Sunny Harrow White created this like, yeah, this warp bubble, you know, very small

warp bubble in a lab. And now the idea is that potentially, you know, war, drive is maybe how UAP are operating, right? Maybe they are creating some type of bubble around them that they can go in and out of space and time, right? Where that internal space is not actually being manipulated, right, within the bubble. And so they can control what is around them. And so that is one of the theories and how put off did actually speak to Rogan a little bit about it was kind of like, let's bring a port drive.

And I was like, take it away, Hal. You know, it's like, pick up the baton and, you know, and he starts running. And so he's, you know, Hal put off is immensely educated in this space. But Sunny Harold White has become a major leader in it. And so, and there's a couple other people that are working with Sunny Harold White as well. Glenn Chance is another one. He's a professor and a doctor Glenn Chance. He's worked adjacent to Sunny Harold White on warp drive technology and his theories that he's

developing. So all in all, for everyone, along with this whole like subgroup of warp, drive theorists that are out there. Like, it's a whole community. I think there's even a WhatsApp chat from what I, with all these people talking about their ideas. So from the independent scientists to like the scientists that are working in labs and are funded and privatized and potentially even we'll move back into government

because warp drive technology was first, one of the first research that was done was through NASA at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. And Sunny Harold White actually did run that department. And then he'd left and started limitless space, which was a private enterprise. So there's tons of patents that have actually been written around Warp Drive tech.

So it's so Star Trek. Like everyone here in Warp Drive is like, oh my gosh. Now, the funny thing, and again, I am a Star Wars girl. I'm not much of a Trekkie. I do like it. But I know that within Warp Drive, I believe that when Warp Drive was invented

and figured out by humans, that's when you were able to travel the cosmos and be able to meet all of your intergalactic neighbors. So it's funny that I think that like entertainment has so much paralleled itself where we're working on WarpDRIVE technology, but we're also in combination with UAP. And maybe potentially when we crack Warp Drive is the time that we'll be able to use it and wrap it around a bubble, maybe around a craft that when we can travel intergalactically

is when we'll meet our neighbors. Like I think it's so fitting how science fiction is driving science fact. I love it. Yeah, absolutely. That's so cool. just there's so much that goes into it. And I can probably just talk about warp drive theories with you for the next hour, but I know we don't have that much time left.

So before we're done, I do want to get to one of the topics I actually mentioned towards the beginning. And it's a topic that it was really kind of near and dear to my heart, which is how faith intersects with this UFO topic, with the conversation. And I mentioned someone that you spoke to earlier is Ted Peters. He's a theologian. He was on your show. and I just find that conversation so fascinating and even I hate to use the word correct because I don't like to speak in absolutes, but I think we're on the right path when we have

that conversation, if that makes sense. So what have you learned about that and how the two intersects with just speaking to a theologian like Ted Peters or other theologians and kind of diving into the topic? How do you think that all fits together? Well, I think we forget that the Vatican and other things. theologians are so open to the concept of extraterrestrial and space because people are like, oh, that's against our religion. It's like, well, and maybe depending on whose religion or what caste or subset of it, but,

you know, a lot of theologians who are working with the Pope and, you know, and rest in peace, you just passed recently. And but working with the Pope or popes to be able to, and working with the Vatican and the University of Arizona, which Ted Peters was working with, and how Ted and other. were creating this guideline kind of of how the Vatican and how the Pope and how other people maybe should look at the topic when it comes to science and theology, right? Not UFOs, the science and theology. Be a little open, open reminded about it.

But I think that if you listen to the podcast and people do, there's this little story that had Ted tell us that I thought was so interesting about him going into the Vatican and all of these scientists and all these people in the shorter form of this wrote this kind of guideline and and that how, you know, theologians and how maybe the Pope could present this and look at science from, you know, not in, uh, and how the intersection of them work together and how they're so important. And so they write these kind of recommendations and guidelines for it. And they give it to the, the Pope. And I guess everyone's excited. Everybody's invited all of like friends, professors, theologians, you name it. And they're like, wow, you know, the Pope's

going to address this. Anyway, um, he ends up ripping it apart. in front of everybody. Whoops. I know. And it's like, and they're all like just flabbergasted. Oh man. Because they're like, oh my gosh.

The Pope just like ripped up materialistic science or like or ripped up the idea of anything related to science. So were they literally like in the room in front of the late Pope Francis? Like this happened with Pope Francis. I believe it was Pope Francis. Yes. And so I believe it was. I got to double check.

I actually should clip that for my socials to be. be honest since the of the the the recent passing yeah but they just ripped it apart i believe it was pope francis it might have been the pope before but they um he ends up ripping it apart and and but then realizing that they're like oh my gosh this is not what we thought was going to happen that's not what we were told we we heard he really liked it and so everybody left like depressed and like doing like oh my god what do we do and so ted peters was writing for a magazine a a theologian-based magazine and the writer, the editor-in-chief was like, what do you got here? And he's like, uh, you know, do I tell the story? And I guess someone called him right away and was like,

don't write anything. Like, don't write the story because like, we got it wrong. The, like, the Pope got it wrong. And so it's wild. And I, right. And so the Pope ends up writing a letter and apologizing to everyone and said, I'm so sorry. This was a recommendation for somebody else. that wrote this. This is not actually what I think and what I believe. I retract everything that I've said. And so he did a massive retraction and issued an apology. And Ted laughed because Ted was just like, they're like, do you want an apology from the Pope? And Ted's like, yes, I do. I said, who doesn't? I laugh because I was like an infalliable man is saying, you know, I'm sorry, which is the irony of it all. But also that's the part that makes him human and also such a wonderful

person to be able to say, well, geez, leaves his ego out of it and realizes like, hey, I didn't do the right thing. I wasn't briefed properly. Maybe this wasn't the recommendation, I think, is right. So I think that's actually very noble of anyone to do, in that high of standard to say, hey, I'm sorry, I'm going to make this retraction and we're going to make this right so we can move forward correctly. Speaks volumes of the people.

And so when Ted told me that story in the podcast, well, first of all, I heard him say in a lecture once when I was just researching about him and I was like, he needs to tell us this in the podcast because I think it's so great. But it really does show you that the evolution of science and theology has evolved so much. And it's, and I find it deeply interesting too. I've done, so I have another interview coming up around it. I've done four podcasts on theology and science and religion because I do think it's just so interesting myself. Yeah. I mean, it's something that I've kind of dove into on my own time in different episodes and with different guests. And And it is absolutely something, spoiler alert, that I'm going to be diving into more in the future.

It's, yeah, there's just so much to dig through there, especially even going back to the Magenta case of 1933. You know, we've learned more about that recently and how we cooperated with the Vatican and the Italian governments at that time with Mussolini to kind of cover up this crash retrieval in 1933. It's, yeah, it's just an incredible, incredibly interesting topic to say the least. I wish we had more time, Chrissy, but before we're done, I do want to ask you just future projects. I mean, what can people look forward to from you, whether it's on your show or anything else that you're working on behind the scenes? What can people look forward to on some of the things that you're working on? Yeah, we're waiting to see if we get a season two. So that's hopefully we'll be in the works or not.

And if not, that's okay. You know, working on trying to contribute to writing different show projects to that talk about science and edge science and technology. again, as I was mentioning before in a way that it's just a little bit more, you know, looking at the audience that they know more than we think they do and being able to give them credit and discussing harder topics in that space. So working on that and then just, yeah, we're still doing my podcast, writing stories at the debrief and then consistently looking to potentially do an eight-part series myself on edge science, an interview in the field topic and doing that on YouTube and be able to release that at some point as well.

So just a lot of like creative projects will still doing work and just having fun learning and exploring. So cool. How can people follow you? How can they find you all your contents? How can they look you up? Yeah, for sure. If they want to follow me on Instagram, they can go to being Chrissy Newton. On Twitter, it's just Chrissy Newton.

Or if you just want to go to my website and see my podcast and all of my work, you can go to chrissynewton.com. And if you want to check out the debrief, you can go to debrief. And it's rebelliously curious, which I love the name because it just, well, it tells it like it is. It's true. It's right. It's like I don't know everything about it. My place is to be curious and to learn and ask questions and explore. That's kind of what rebelliously curious is about. My major is not in science, but I deeply love it and I have since I was a kid. So my job is a communicator. Now, more on a journalistic side, but it's always been a communicator my whole life. So now I just feel like I get to have fun exploring the metaphysical world and speaking about it with people.

And, you know, hopefully maybe we get to learn way more before the end of my time. Likewise. And I can tell you just before we go, too, and I'll say this while we're talking on a behind-the-scenes thing, I'll tell you right now. This has been one of my most favorite interviews I think I've done. Honestly, in like the past four years. I mean, I can, you know, like, think on one hand how many different people have spoken to that, I was like, oh, I'll prop that one up. That was amazing.

This has just been for me such an extremely fascinating conversation. There hasn't been one low point. I've just thoroughly enjoyed the entire thing. And so thank you for making the time to do it because this has just been phenomenal. Thank you. That's so nice of you to say. I'm like, I'm going to cut this part and put on my Instagram as well.

I'm just joking. Get them all out there. But no, I appreciate that. Thank you. You're a wonderful host as well too. And thank you for taking the topic mainstream and radio. I was saying to you off the mic before because, you know, we need more of that.

You know, it's great to have, who doesn't love our bell, don't get me wrong. Sure. And who doesn't love coast to coast, but we, you know, no one's, I'm not staying up till midnight every night listening to it. I'd rather listen to daytime radio and during the day. And I was saying earlier my sister's in radio, so you even taking the topic and moving in a direction, like kudos. Like, it trailblazes itself in radio.

So hopefully more people do this and hopefully you get to spearhead a lot of that. No, I appreciate that. Thanks so much. And thanks again for doing this. I love to have you back on again in the future. but until then, thanks so much for coming on. Chrissy Newton right here on UAP. Thanks a lot.

Awesome. Thank you. Again, just so much fun there. And thank you again to Chrissy for coming on. She's welcome back here anytime. And maybe I'll show up on her show in the future as well. You never know if that happens. I'll give you a heads up. But aside from that, you know, we obviously spoke about Jacques Valet in there.

And it's so funny, as I was putting this, the final touches on this episode together, I came across this quote from Jacques Valle in a book that he wrote called A Psychic Solution. And it actually includes a lot of the things that Chrissy and I were talking about. I mean, you talk about like little synchronicities here and there. It's amazing timing on things as you come across different posts or excerpts. And it just relates to exactly what you were talking about. Again, something I didn't have planned. But here we are.

I came across this post. Shout out to UAP Juan on X on Twitter. He goes by at Planet Hunter 56. He puts up a lot of great posts. And this is actually where I came across it was he put this up. It's Jacques Valet's description from a confidant of his, who was an alleged secondhand witness to the papal reactions after the opening of the third secret of Fatima.

And he says that there was ontological shock. So before I get into the quote, why am I reading this? Because, well, it relates to everything we're just talking about, the theological side of this conversation, how it relates to the UFO topic, the conversation I was just having with Chrissy about Pope Francis's reaction, you know, ripping everything up and then realizing, oh, wait, sorry, that wasn't exactly what I thought it was going to be, and how this all plays together, especially with the secrets of Fatima, which if you go way back, I did an episode on the Secrets of Fatima and how it might relate to this conversation. Gosh, I don't know, maybe

years ago. So if you want to try to find that one, that was actually back on episode 53. Oh my gosh. Almost three years ago. Wow. Back in August of 2022, I released episode 53. It was called Diviner Alien Intervention Part 2, The Miracle of the Sun. And so it's just funny, again, how things work out. You know, I did that episode three years ago. We're talking about Jacques Valet today, how it related to the Vatican and the late Pope Francis. And then I come across a quote that brings all of together. So it's just kind of wild. So here is the quote from Jacques Valet on what he was told on how the Vatican responded to this supposed third secret of Fatima being opened. He says, A man whose word I trust received an interesting report from one of the Pope's secretaries who

introduced the highest men in the church into the presence of John the 23rd for the opening of the secret part of the Fatima prophecy in 1960. Although the solemn event took place behind closed doors, the secretary had the opportunity to see the cardinals as they left the Pope's office. They had a look of deep horror on their faces. He got up from behind his desk and tried to speak to one of them whom he knew intimately. But the prelate gently pushed him aside and walked on with the expression of someone who has seen a ghost. What revelation could have so shaking these men? Perhaps it was the confrontation with the nature of a phenomenon that transcends our reality in our highest beliefs.

transcends our concepts of reason and of faith, and whose very absurdity appears carefully designed to misguide our probing minds. And that was from Jacques Valle in the book called UFOs, A Psychic Solution. So again, it's kind of fascinating. I wanted to throw that out there. I'm not here to debate what the third secret of Fatima was. That's a totally different story. I know there's different theories on what that was,

but again, that's a totally different story for a totally different show. I just thought it was fascinating on how that, all kind of connected out of nowhere. It just came across that post and kind of tie all those loose ends, tie the threads together there on what the connection might be when it comes to all these conversations and bringing them all together at once. So again, thank you to Chrissy Newton. Really cool interview. Really enjoy that conversation. And I can't wait to have her back on again some point in the future. Other than that, there was some breaking news today that I did want to relate in case you didn't see it. That's apparently the Skiff meeting that was supposed to

take place with some of the transparency task force members like Annopalina Luna, Nancy Mace, Timperchette, Eric Burleson, of course, who's been on here a couple of times, and we've spoken about that on the show. I was supposed to take place with the likes of David Grush and Christopher Mellon and Loua Elizondo, and I'm sure a few others, but those are just the ones that we know of. That meeting got postponed. There was some pressing congressional matters outside of UAP that apparently took the congressional members away from that skiff meeting that was supposed to take place today. So I'm sure as frustrated

as we are to hear that it was postponed because I know a lot of us were looking forward to these dates, you know, May 12th is supposed to be the UAP hearing, I think, supposedly. So we'll see if that is of taking place as well as planned. But I know a lot of us were looking forward to having that skiff meeting at least take place. Not like we're going to hear details from it, of course, because it's a skiff meeting, but at least have it take place and put Congress on to put them on the trail. And unfortunately, that got postponed because of other pressing matters. And that was according, by the way, that report comes from Lou Elizando himself. He tweeted that out earlier saying that it was postponed because of other pressing matters within Congress.

A later date, it's still going to happen. And as frustrating as it is for us, I can only imagine how frustrating it is for the computer. congressional members who are on the transparency task force because I know firsthand from speaking with Eric Burleson that they really want to do this. It's not a joke. It's not saving face. Whether or not they get anywhere with it might be a different story and that's up to your own interpretation.

But I know they really wanted to do this. And I can only imagine how, you know, deflated and disappointed they must feel that they're at the one yard line and it gets postponed. So for their sake, for our sake, and for our sake, and for our sake. everyone's sake involved. I look forward to when that skip meeting finally does take place, because I do think it's going to be a needle mover within the halls of Congress. We may not see it on the surface, but I do believe it's going to have an effect on the members of Congress and the members of the Transparency Task Force to be pointed in the right direction and move in some directions that

they haven't moved before and opened some doors that maybe they didn't even know existed, and they can go through those doors. So looking forward to in that. that happens and I'm sure we'll hear updates as we go along and I'll try to bring those to you when we do hear those updates. But outside of that, don't forget to download and subscribe to the show, of course, wherever you get your podcasts. Leave a nice review as well, if you don't mind. Five stars always helps wherever you find the podcast and wherever you're downloading it on Spotify,

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