UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 13: Crazy California

Episode Date: September 24, 2021

Battles over the skies of LA, missiles getting shot down at impossible speeds, fighter pilots dumbfounded by UAP's in midair, and it all happened in California. Diener and Karen lay it all out including the witness testimony of a huge Air Force cover up. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Stephen Deiner right here. Karen Curtis over there. Glad you can join us again here on another alien adventure as we go on every single week here on UAP. This is going to be a doozy, Karen. I mean, we really have a lot of stuff here today. I'm a news person. Yes, you are.

And I'm starting to believe this crap. Oh, good. I mean, like, after you hear today's show, if you're not like me, because I need empirical knowledge and I need to, like, be able to see the facts. Right. Sure. And that's fine. And I need to be able to hear from people who, you know, seem to be credible. Right.

Right. I don't want to be, I don't want it to be according to Stephen's sources. That's right. According to Stephen's own reporting. According to my own opinions and my own thoughts. This is, uh, this is some pretty. revealing evidence that we're going to give you. Yeah, because when we were talking last week on episode 12, it kind of hit me midstream,

if you will, mid the thought process that, man, you know, there's so much that has happened just in the state of California alone. And I thought, well, let's dedicate a whole episode just to California. So that's what we're going to do here today, call it weird California, if you will, because there is really throughout the past, I guess you can say, 80 years. there's different documented events, and there's a lot, and we're only going to get to a few of them today, but there's all these documented events that kind of make you scratch your head of what did people see, what really happened? What are the answers here?

Actually, we're going back to the turn of the century, Stephen, and I'm not talking about the year 2000. Oh, okay. So we're going way back. Yes. In the way back machine. In the way back machine. There's some people still alive, I think, from, no, that's not possible. Not anymore.

Not anywhere. But so we're going to start off with triangle alley. Yeah, this is interesting because this isn't something you hear about a lot. You know, you always hear about tornado alley if you're too good about talking about alleys. And when you hear about the Bermuda Triangle, some weird crap happens there. People lose all of their instrumentation and, I don't know, something strange magnetically goes on. But this is about flying triangles and this is well before the stealth bomber was ever created. So, I mean, this is like there's six-year-reported sightings of triangle UFO since the year 2000.

So this triangle alley goes from up to central Oregon down through parts of Nevada and California. And they call it triangle alley because it's where, like you said, Karen, a lot of sightings happen of these triangle UFOs, UAPs. And most famously, or one of the most famous, something we talked about in a previous episode. the lights over Phoenix. That's right. Where they saw, you know, the giant triangle UFO. Of course, we covered that extensively. But that's not a part of triangle.

I think it's just outside. So even with that, you know, that's, but that's a good example of the kind of triangle UFO that people report. Now, that was an extreme case because it happened over a big city and it was reported to be absolutely massive. Which, by the way, if you want to hear that or any other previous episode, you can go to 850wftl.com. Search UAP. Reporting photographic evidence. Yeah, everything we've talked about in the different episodes. And, of course, you can always go back to Apple and Spotify or anywhere you get podcasts to find previous episodes.

Because this is number 13 now. So if you're just joining us, there's been a lot that you missed. Time flies. We have lost time. Yes, we do. But what's interesting, aliens and UFOs and what are the, what are the Fujis? Oh, foo fighters. Yes, as they used to call them during World War II.

So there's a lot of acronyms here. And there's one, Mufon. What is that not Mufi's? The Mufon.org, but what is it? The mutual UFO network. And basically what they do is they're an investigative team nationwide. And they go and they investigate these claims wherever they happen. If it's going to be BS, if it's going to be garbage, if it's easily explained,

or if it ends up being in the unidentified files, if you will. Well, the Mufon Northern California State Director, you're going to hear from him. He's been researching the history of UFOs, but now they're called UAPs after the government came out recently. and with their report and said that, uh-huh, these things are real. So he says that he has documented in that area, and he's developed a comprehensive database for all of these UAPs. And here he is. We've been getting so many reports of sightings,

an increased spike of triangles, especially. We consider like an intersection to what we call Triangle Valley, which is from Southern California all the way up to the Washington border. Nevada is right next door. We have Area 50, which is approximately 260 miles away. Tana Paul Air Force Base and other black budget base, possibly 200 miles away. Yeah, and that was basically what you described.

And he's talking about some really bizarre sightings near Corning, California. Do you know where Corning California is? I cannot say that I do. Well, it's a city in the Teyama County. Okay. Teyama, T-E-H-A-M-A. I didn't bring my Florida to California Dictionary. It's located about 19 miles south of Red Bluff

And 100 miles north of the state capital, which is Stephen Deiner Contrary to popular belief, it is Sacramento That's right. Yes. So we're like, oh, it's L.A. No, it's San Francisco. No, it's Sacramento. That's right.

So he says that there were like three lights that remained in a rigid configuration. They could have been separate, but they weren't. Right. So he's describing this, you know, It's silent and suddenly it took off and they think there's a link to all of these sightings in the triangle alley. And here's what, I didn't get his name because I couldn't pronounce it. That's right. He's the guy from Mufon.

That's the Mufon guy. Here's a triangle. Now, this is 1986 before they released the B-2 bomber. Obviously, the characteristics are a lot different. They're huge. This thing went right over a freeway, four lanes and width. What's really interesting is this thing was just high. And the witnesses actually observe in detail, as you can see, over half an hour.

This reminds me of the lights over Phoenix. Yes. All the same characteristics that we keep hearing about, you know, they're large, they're silent. They make no sound whatsoever. Lights around the perimeter. The lights illuminated the object. Major light in the center. Lit up as bright as day.

When you compare planes to this, when you compare helicopters to this, they look, they behave entirely differently. Sounds like Five Samington. Maybe it was, yes. From Phoenix, the governor of Arizona. Wasn't he the governor? Yeah, he went to saw the thing over Phoenix. So, yeah, absolutely. Weird stuff.

And that's the thing, too. And it's funny when you hear them say, you know, it can all be connected. That's been one of the longstanding theories with a lot of these things. Is it random? Is it something that... Yeah, what's connecting all of these? You know, this being or this craft knows what this craft is doing in Arizona as opposed to California, as opposed to Pennsylvania, Florida.

You know, what is happening and how many different crafts do you have? Is it the same craft that's being seen over Phoenix? That's now being seen in California. Some of them are different shapes. They're shaped like a Tic-Tac or a triangle or a disc. I mean, maybe they're coming from different worlds. Actually, we have all the shapes today. You mentioned.

Yes, you're right. Yes. We're talking about triangles now, which is really interesting. I mean, according to this Mufon guy, this has been happening. since like the 1800s. It goes back probably the great airship sightings back in 1896, 1897, from San Francisco to Sacramento all the way to Stockton around the general vicinity. There was reports for miners that were working at seeing strange objects, strange stars.

How about that? I mean, and again, and... It was Venus. Yeah, sure, yeah, the light reflecting of swamp gas. It was swamp gas, it was always my favorite. I was nowhere near there. Yes, that's right. So it is something that when you think about dating back,

to the 1800s. Now, of course, there's the ancient aliens, which we talked about in previous episodes as well. But if you're talking modern times, if you will, this is something that was reported in newspapers. They had actual news stories. If you look back at the late 1800s, this stuff is in newspapers. You have eyewitness accounts. Nobody was made fun of. Nobody was ridiculed. There was no pointing figures. Oh, you believe in those little green men. You know, there was nothing. These were normal people who were reporting to reporters who were reporting on news and it was it was taken that way of course things have changed over the years but now again we're starting to get back into you know i guess that cycle of people starting to take these

things a little bit more seriously now well and that the government came out with their latest report what did they they said that there are 150 sightings that we can't explain yeah and they only went back to 2004 which was when the nimitz had their uh their their they're they're i guess you could say happening oh we're going to talk about that in a minute and now come up later You're going to hear from a pilot. But the Mufon guy, you know, he's been researching the history of UFOs, and he also has developed his comprehensive database. But, I mean, this is so strange, according to the nonprofit national UFO reporting center, did you know that existed? I actually didn't.

Yeah. The nonprofit UFO reporting. How about that? There are roughly 5,000 UFO sightings reported each year in Triangle Alley. Just in that one part of the country. Yes. And, of course, look, I'm all about statistics and things. things like that, 5,000 of those out of 4,000, they're probably easily explainable.

Well, it's from a group of people in the city of Fresno who serve as sky watchers, and all they do is sit outside for hours watching the sky for anything out of the ordinary. Man, that must make your neck hurt. You can't me. I just imagine myself sitting on my front porch looking up at the sky. Maybe they're lying on the ground. Maybe. I hope so, for their sake.

Some people mistake, now we have different satellites flying over. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. The ISS. Right. And I've actually seen the space station fly over before. So it's, that can be mistaken as, you know, an alien craft because it's this steady light that's going across the sky pretty fast. Like, what the heck is that thing? I mean, the planet Venus is the number one mistaken UFO.

Right. And which I still don't understand how. I know. It's a planet. Hello. Hello. But no, there are, you know, there's the new, you know, Elon Musk's satellites that are up there now. That's right.

Starlink. What, 60,000 of them? Right. And some people have mistaken those for UFOs, UIPs. China's building a space station. Yeah, so there's different things that can be explained as to it's not otherworldly. But then you have the small number, let's say, 500 out of the 5,000, which, you know, percentage-wise is small, but really 500-unxplained sightings. That's a pretty good clip.

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I was two. Oh, okay. Very nice. You weren't even born. Fair enough. But apparently there was cover up at Vandenberg Air Force Base because a missile was shot down by UFO. Did you know this? Yeah, so this is a wild story. You know, moving on here to another happening in California. Of course, Triangle Alley there we just covered. And this one, like you said, Karen, goes back to 1964.

We always hear about these things happening with missile tests. I mean, or just military bases, nuclear bases, whatever it is. Well, remember Shirley McLean, who has kind of her finger on the pulse of all things. otherworldly. I was going to say crazy, but she believes that these beings don't want us messing around with nuclear power

because if we blow ourselves up, it will affect the, it'll affect the universe. It's a domino effect. And they want us to be careful. Yeah, and, you know, that's been a running theory for a lot of people for a long time because, especially in the 60s. Look, you remember, again, another refer back to a previous episode,

the Malmastom Air Force Base, where these UFOs, these UAPs, hovered over Mounted from Air Force Base and Big Sky Country up there. Montana, Wyoming, always forget where it is. And they shut down the base essentially.

I mean, they disarmed the nuclear missiles. Nothing would work. And it was down for, what, a couple of days, I think. Yeah, for like 24 hours. So, again, you can listen back into that previous episode. But there's so many instances the SoiFor a Spaceman.

Another thing we covered, that connected to a IC, I see, ICNC continental ICBM. I had to say the whole thing, ballistic missile, that England was going to be testing in a secret base in Australia. And so, you know, you have all these different happenings and there's so many more.

Of course, the Nimitz, which we're going to talk about later, was, you know, a submarine with nuclear capability. So you have... Oh, aircraft carrier. Right, right, then aircraft carrier. 15 billion dollar aircraft carrier with the most advanced radar system in the world. Yes, so there's that.

So these are all things. that connect. You talk about what connects and what doesn't. These are all things that connect throughout history throughout time over the years where these crafts are always showing up in places that have to do with weapons. Right. And this is another one. They're witnessed by full on, full-fledged military flight pilots. This guy's a lieutenant, U.S.A.F. Lieutenant retired Robert Jacobs. Yeah. And his job, I guess, was he was kind of like a photographer during these launches again. That's right. This was 1964, you know, the

Cold War, you're doing some of these secret operations, you're testing these things out, so this wasn't being printed in the newspapers that at Vanderberg Air Force Base, Big Sur, they were doing this missile test. Nobody knew about what happened, and you're about to hear from this guy, Robert

Jacobs, and his job, as Stephen said, was to photograph the ICBMs during launch. I mean, that was his gig. Right. I was the officer in charge of optical instrumentation at Vanderburg Air Force Base in the 13169th Photo Squadron. And as such, it was my duty to supervise the instrumentation photography of every missile that went down the Western Test Range.

In those days, we called them ICBM's inter-county ballistic missiles, because most of them blew up on launch. And our job was to determine why they blew up to provide the engineers good enough engineering and sequential photography so that they could see what was wrong with the bird as it took off in flight. What we photographed up there affected me for the rest of my life and made a huge impact on my understanding of the universe and of governmental manipulation of our minds. Ooh.

That's a big statement. Oh, so he calls it an inter-county ballistic missile, but now they're intercontinental. I guess it advanced a lot since the 60s. Yes. But he earned a very prestigious badge, like a Boy Scout badge. He earned a missile badge. For my stunning achievement in finding a place where I could look back at Vanderberg Air Force Base from up north and for figuring out how to transmit the timing up there.

And for getting the thing set up, I was awarded the Air Force Guided Missile Insignia. I was the first photographic officer in the Air Force to get the, they called it the missile badge. It was a highly coveted thing at the time. Well, look at that. But that just goes through his reputation. I found it on eBay, too. He's selling it for $200. Oh, good.

I'm just kidding. Put it in a bid. But there was a cover-up, and he was part of it, and he's kind of pissed now, because he was told to be quiet about it for 18 years. Yeah. And then apparently they were testing these, well, things blow up on the pad. Why do things blow up on the pad? He's, like, taking pictures.

Well, because someone screwed up, right? Sure. The screw-up fairy showed up. Yes. But these were dummy missiles. They're like the ones that carry nuclear warheads, but they were the dummies. And this was in 1964. And that he was saying initially when they shot this thing off, it looked like a successful launch, right?

Here he is. We weren't launching real nuclear weapons. We were watching dummy warheads. They were the exact size, shape, and dimension and weight of a nuclear warhead. It was definitely in 1964 because Florence Mansman confirmed that, and he knew he had written it down. and knew the exact date of it. They counted down the missile. We heard engine ignition lift off.

We knew the missile was underway. And we were looking down south, southwest, and the missile popped up through the fog. It was just beautiful. And I hollered, there it is. And our guys on our M45 tracking mount with 180-inch lenses on it, got it. And the big BU telescope swung over and got it,

and we followed the thing, and sure enough, we could see all three stages of powered flighters. they burned out and dropped away. And then, of course, to our naked eye, all we saw was a smoke trail going off into subspace as it headed off toward its target, which was Annie We Talk Island, Annie We Talk Atoll. So we whooped and shouted and heard the film wrap off in the BU telescope and figured, well, that was our first big deal, and we got it. But did they?

Aha. And this is where things go a little awry because... Because of the naked eye, everything looked fine, right? Right. Okay, but like a couple of days later, he gets called into the big guy's office. Yes, and you never want to get called into that office. He walks in and he's like, huh, what's going on here? Because there's like men in black, but they're really men in gray, because they're wearing gray suits.

Yes. And there was some discrepancy in terms of there were two or three of them, and were they CIA? He said, no, they weren't CIA. But anyway, they're in the office. And he's in the room with the big wigs. It's a major in a couple of these guys in gray suits. They're civilians. And he said, this is unusual.

And they had him watch a portion of the film from the launch. I was going to say tape, but it's film. That's true. Film at 11. Yeah, that's right. All right. And here's what he saw. I walked into his office, and they had a screen and a 16-millimeter projector set up.

And there was a couch. And Major Madsman said, sit down. And there were two guys, as I recall, two guys in gray suits, civilian clothes, which was fairly unusual. And Major Advancement said, watch this, and turned on the film projector. And I watched the screen, and there was the launch from the day or two before at Big Sur. It was quite exciting because of the length of the telescope. As the Atlas missile entered the frame, we could see the whole third stage,

which has two rocket nozzles like this, and one in the center, a gimbled one in the center, fill in our frame from about 160 miles. That was pretty exciting optics. We watched that stage burnout. We watched the second stage burn out. We watched the third stage burn out. And into the frame came something else. It flew into the frame like this, and it shot a beam of light at the warhead, which is represented by my thumb here. Now, remember, all this stuff is flying at several thousand miles an hour. So this thing fires a beam of light at the warhead, hits it, and then this thing fires a beam of light at the warhead, hits it, and then this thing flies up like this. Meanwhile,

we're all going like this, fires another beam of light, goes around like this, we're going like this, fires another beam of light, goes down like this, fires another beam of light, and then flies out the way it came in. And the warhead tumbles out of space. So imagine this. I saw that.

Oh, sorry, Robert. I don't give a goddamn what anybody else says about it. I saw that on film. Phil Claskin, kiss my he wasn't there. I was. And now you mentioned, you mentioned He's pissed. Yeah, he is.

He mentions Phil Class. And Phil Class is somebody who has refuted before, at least tried to refute. Basically call Robert Jacobs' retired lieutenant from the Air Force, a crackpot, a crazy person, saying that he's lying. He doesn't understand why he's making this story up. Now, you listen to that story from the retired lieutenant there, Robert Jacobs, and think to yourself, think about the detail he gave. Think about, I mean, that was. I believe him. It sounds very credible.

It sounds believable. If you are making up a story, there's usually. a lot of ums, pause, pauses, and it doesn't make a lot of sense because you're trying to piece together a story that you're making up, you're fabricating as you're going along.

Does that sound like something that was being fabricated as he was going along? No, and plus he used the word gimbal. That's well, they... But he reminds you the guy that had his finger shot off. Oh, Philip Schneider. Philip Schneider.

Same thing. Yes. It sounds so believable. Right. For me, whenever I hear an eyewitness account, especially someone of that stature, a retired lieutenant from the Air Force, when they can give details, here's what I saw, here's what the weather was like, here's what the other people around me were saying,

I was excited because of this one thing happening. Those are all actual recollections from the memory. He's playing off of the emotion that he felt in that moment. And the story stays the same. If you have to try to remember what you said before, you can't. It's very difficult. It is, right. It's hard to keep that story together.

So imagine what he's saying there. Kind of paint the picture for you here because I know it's kind of tough to make out when he's talking. It was more of a visual from what he was saying. But imagine this. Right. We can't see your thumb, Robert. So imagine this missile going off. And again, traveling at thousands of miles per hour.

So you have to have a craft that is now capable of zooming in out of nowhere and being able to hover and move around at the same speed, if not faster, than this missile is moving. At 14,000 miles an hour. Correct. And to be able to shoot a beam of light, whatever that beam of light is, again, going back to Philip Schneider, referencing the Dulce Base Wars,

which was one of our earliest episodes. We want to go back and listen to that. He mentions from the Dulce Base in New Mexico where the aliens shot a beam of light at him. Right. So now... It took his fingers off. Right.

Oh, he opened him up in the middle. Yes. And that was in the late 70s, I believe. And here we're talking 1964. So if we're just going base... off of the eyewitness account and his story, Robert Jacobs, that is, of going into the Big Wigs office and saying, what do you see her in this video? Obviously, they're trying to figure out, what is this thing flying over? Is this Russians or something else in 1964 that is shooting

beams of light out of moving missile going, you know, 10,000 miles per hour? It's unbelievable. Moving all around the missile three different times shooting beams of light at different locations of the missile. In fact, the major, to your point, says to Jacobs, Were you guys goofing off during the launch? Now when the lights came on, Major Mansman turned around and looked at me and said, were you guys screwing around up there? And I said, no, sir.

And he said, what was that? And I said, it looks to me like we got a UFO. Uh-oh. Now, the thing that we saw, this object that flew in was circular, was shaped like a two saucers, cut like this with a ping-pong ball on top. The beam of light came out of the ping-pong ball.

I've seen pictures. That's what I saw in film. Now, Major Mansman said to me, he said, you are never to speak of this again. As far as you're concerned, this never happened. So I started for the door, he said, wait a minute. He said, years from now, if you're ever forced by someone to talk about this, you are to tell them it was laser strikes, laser tracking strikes.

Well, in 1964, we didn't have any laser tracking strikes. We didn't have any laser tracking at all. Lasers were in their infancy in 1964. We were little playthings in laboratories. So I said, yes, sir, and walked out, and that was the last I talked about it for 18 years. There you go. Well, he says it wasn't a laser. He thinks it was plasma.

And he goes, everything, like you were saying, was traveling really, really, really fast. Right. And humans cannot travel that fast. No. Because we can't withstand the G's. This is what he was saying about the speed of the UFO. The object, the points of light that we saw, the warhead and so forth, were traveling through subspace, about 60 miles. straight up and they were going somewhere in the neighborhood of 11 to 14,000 miles an hour

when this thing caught up to them flew in, flew around them, went like this, and flew back out. It was saucer shaped. It was circular and rounded on the top and bottom and it had a little dome in the right straight in the center of it from which this beam emitted. So really, your classic description of a flying saucer. We've all seen drawings of that. Right. And we'll have the picture of this Vandenberg Air Force Base Incident. up on the blog, the UIP blog, in 850WFTL.com. You can see what Robert Jacobs there is referring to. But we don't have the film evidence?

No, no, because that's, yeah. What happened to that photographic evidence there, Diener? Good question. The guys in gray suits apparently took it, according to Jacobs. What happened to the film is an interesting story in itself, as Major Mansman told me and other people. They took the film, and they spooled off the part that had the UFO on it, and they took a pair of scissors and cut it off.

They put that on a separate reason. real. They put it in their briefcase. They handed Major Mansman back the rest of the film and said, here, I don't need to remind you, Major Mansman, of the severity of a security breach, we'll consider this incident closed. And they walked off with the film. Just like that. And I've heard that story a million times from different circumstances. Now, today is different. Yeah. You know, there's going to be some way, there's going to be copies. It's going to be on a computer. You know, what happens if it's on a computer, so it's been emailed to your mom. Right. Somewhere. They had the same idea, though, that Shirley MacLean did as to why would they, why would this happen? Why would

something target an ICBM, even though it's a dummy? And this is what he said. And I think that it's important for us as humans to come to term, to grow up and recognize that we may not be the paragon of animals after all, that there may be something out there that's bigger and more exciting than we are, and that just maybe, just maybe, they're telling us something. What I saw that day was something shooting down a dummy nuclear warhead. What message would I interpret from that? Don't mess with nuclear warheads. There you go.

And I can't say he's wrong. I mean, well, we can't say he's wrong because we don't know what's wrong and what's right. But that to me is a good working theory. It is because look at all of the other areas that have nuclear warheads. There's always some type of interference. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand?

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Yeah. This battle over Los Angeles. Remember, this was in the newspapers. There were photographs in newspapers about this. That's right. This is a famous happening that, you know, during World War II, keep in mind the date here, February 25th, 1942. You're talking three months. months after Pearl Harbor.

Right. Oh, they thought we were under attack again. Right. I mean, there had been reports of Japanese submarines, taking out different fields off the coast of California. So people of California, especially living on the coast, were very, very weary and had a heightened sense of really fear and tension. So when all of a sudden, there is these reports that the Japanese might be attacking during the night.

So you have all of these anti-aircraft guns come out and all the soldiers. Yes. There were 1,400 anti-aircraft rounds fired. Well, somebody saw something. To no avail, though. Right. And what ends up happening is, like you said, I mean, thousands of rounds end up being fired. This really happened. It's in the newspapers. Again, we'll have up the picture from the actual newspaper that day. I think they came out after that newspaper and they said it was a balloon. But 100,000 people witnessed it in the sky over Los Angeles. As we said, 400 anti-aircraft rounds were fired at this UFO to no avail.

Anti-aircraft guns went into action against unidentified aircraft in the Los Angeles area. Searchlights closely followed the object down the coast and kept it centered in their glare. The shooting lasted for about half an hour, killed a couple of people. But the big thing is, and they didn't knock a piece off of whatever it was up there. Shell frequently could be seen bursting here the object, but none appeared to hit it. Hmm. So again, you have witnesses say they saw something. Now, was this hysteria?

Was it just wartime? In Los Angeles. Yes. No wonder they interned the Japanese. They thought they were at war, you know, here in America. I can't imagine. I mean, totally different times back then. But their craft, the top air defenses in the United States could not intercept this thing.

And so they said, oh, it must have been a balloon. And that was the working theory then. So, again, one of those unidentified, unexplained things going back, you know, 80 years. What did they see over this guy's Los Angeles that night, February 25th, 1942? What were they shooting at? Was it anything? Was it a balloon? Was somebody just thought they saw something because they were so heightened and there was just wartime hysteria?

If you fire an anti-aircraft rounded a balloon, I think it's going to hit it. It's going to pop, yeah. But there's no remains of anything. Whatever they saw, people say they saw some type of flying disc in the air that caused these soldiers to start shooting. And to this day, they don't know what they saw and there's nothing recovered. But it was the first headlining event of an object in the sky, really, that made the news and really, kind of stirred up the discussion. Could you imagine though? My gosh, thinking that you're under attack and you're watching the army and military shoot at the sky, not knowing what they're shooting at

over Los Angeles, my gosh. He had War of the Worlds that was on the radio, but this is visual. This is happening. Right. Then in 2004, an American fighter plane from the USS Nimitz, as we referred to earlier, an aircraft carrier station off the coast of San Diego at the time engaged with a UFO of the open ocean. Now, this is one of the stories. Well, actually this is the story, Karen, that started the podcast, really. Yes. It's because of this story, because of what happened on the Nimitz in 2004, that led to the congressional hearings, that led to the release of all these documents that we saw a few

months ago where they had to, and the U.S. government had to admit that, yeah, there's UFOs out there. We don't know what they are, who's controlling them. So have at it because here's all these happenings, here's all these things we can't explain and all these declassified documents that came out with basically admitting that UFOs are out there. That's right. And it all happened because of this.

This is a $15 billion aircraft carrier with state-of-the-art radar systems. So there's photographic evidence on official DOD video. Right. You cannot refute this. That's right. And this is the one that you probably saw because we've mentioned this story a lot during the podcast on different episodes because it is, again, like kind of the genesis of this whole thing. It's the first domino. It is.

It is. And it occurred to us that we actually haven't really covered the story. story because we've just referenced it and you probably know it by now because it's been on the today show it's been on Good Morning America it's been every national lose outlet and I'm sure you've seen the video of the tick-tack shaped UFO UAP that the fighter pilots were chasing right and it outruns them and it goes into the water and all these crazy different things that is so weird here's here's the eyewitness we went out there primarily to do individual ship training I started noticing these really anomalous tracks and like

nothing I'd ever seen before. And these objects were coming into my radar coverage. There was probably 10 objects in the sky. In the back of my mind, I was thinking, I want to intercept one of these things. And so I launched intercept aircraft. He started making the approach to this object, and that's when everything changed.

Well, this thing did a barrel roll around his aircraft. Then we went straight down to the surface of the ocean. He went following it down. And as soon as he went like that, this thing popped straight back out of the water, back up to 28,000 feet. And it didn't make a sound. No, completely quiet. You know, if something going that fast, it's going to, it's going to sound like boom,

boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's going to have a whole bunch of sonic booms. No sonic booms. How does that happen? That's the most amazing thing, is the technology of whatever this craft is, was how do you make a technology where you basically avoid sonic booms? I mean, you are breaking the speed of sound, like he said, multiple times, yet you aren't hearing any type of sound.

There's no propulsion. There's no trail of anything. It's just flying through the sky. And, you know, a Tic Tac is not very aerodynamic. I mean, you know, when you throw in a movie theater, it also makes a sound when it passes by your head. It does, yes. But, I mean, talk us through the technology that they witnessed.

If you can imagine a 47-foot-long Tick-Tac, they didn't have any wings, they didn't have any propulsion system. Wow. They could travel from point A to point B in, in a matter of a second, even though it was miles and miles and miles away. And if anything biological would have been in that thing, given Newtonian physics, it would have turned you into mush. There's no way you could withstand that type of G force.

I think the human body can withstand about eight Gs. This thing had 1,350 Gs. Oh. You'd have been paced. And that's what we always like to do here on the podcast is give you credible witnesses, give you people who know what they're talking about. They've been in the scenario like, you know, the retired lieutenant, Robert Jacobs from the Vanderbanks,

like these people talking from the Nimitz. These are the people, the pilots. He was a pilot. He was there. So they know exactly what they're seeing and what's possible, what's capable as far as avionics go. So, I mean, you hear it right there. You're mush.

You're turning to mashed potatoes. So whatever was flying, whether someone was in there, whether it was a drone, but it's technology that is way beyond anything that we have as far as we know or anybody else is. How does it go into the ocean and come back out and fly? straight up and then hover make no noise and has no contrao. Well, I'm glad you said that, Karen, because, again, these were all things that happened in California. The Nimitz was off of San Diego and everything.

Crazy California. Crazy California. A lot of wild things happening there throughout history. But that actually leads us into our next episode next week, next time on UAP, the Unidentifiedified Alien podcast. It doesn't get much better than this one. This was wild. I mean, so many amazing stories just out of California. I believe it.

Good. because next week, if you don't believe it yet, you might believe it then, because we're going to talk about U.S.Os, and this really leads into that. Isn't that a show that they put on during the war? It was, but it also stands for, I'm not talking about Bob Hope.

I'm talking about unidentified, submerged objects. Oh, I thought, oh. Which is essentially what this Tick-Tac UFO was from the Nimitz diving into the water, some underwater bases off the coast of California. So still a lot going on, a lot to get to when it comes to that whole subject. And we're going to cover it all on episode 14.

And the Meglodons and Jason Statham? Maybe. Okay. Bonus coverage. Can't wait. It's so exciting. U.S.Os next week. Yes.

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