UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 132 Ashton Forbes part 1 - Brand New Evidence on the Disappearance of MH370

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Did Ashton Forbes just discover the definitive truth behind the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight 370? Get ready to hear the names "Gorgon Stare" and "Sierra Nevada Corp" as Stephen Diener brings Ashton back on the show for what might be their most revealing interview yet. Also, listen as Ashton makes a real time discovery during the interview that could prove once and for all that the orb teleportation video might actually be real! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Grab the Dave and Mahoney podcast now on Apple Podcasts on Spotify and at Dave and Mahoney.com. Yes, welcome back into UAP. Stephen Dean are back with you here as always on episode 132 of the Unidentified Alien podcast. And boy, it was quite a week last week with our two-part series with Lou Elizando. And, you know, so I figured, why not have on another person that people have strong opinions on? Let's just bring on Ashton Forbes right after Lou Elizando. Why the heck not? Because that's just what we do here on UAP.

So today we're starting a two-part series with the one, the only Ashton Forbes. And let me just address a couple of things real quick before I get into it. I know some of you would rather me just do one long episode. So I apologize for the two parts. Please don't hate me. And I hope you still enjoy it. Aside from that, boy, there is a lot to get to here,

especially just with part one. I mean, when Ashton and I started. So, okay, let me start here. When Ashton and I first started talking about doing another episode together, because he's been on a bunch of times and I'm always appreciative of his time and always really busy, just like the rest of us. But he's, you know, he's here and there. He's doing a lot of different shows and things like that. And when we started talking, it was a couple of weeks ago. And I said, hey, you know, it's been a while.

Looks like you've, you know, gotten to a couple of different things when it comes to the disappearance of MH370 and the videos. Why don't we come on and do a little update on things? He said, yeah, sure. Well, since then, he got into a public spat on social media with Ross Colthardt, and then he came out with new evidence that he is proposing on a military surveillance technology called Gorgon Stair. Now, you're going to hear three terms here or three names that I just want to point out real quick. First of all, one of them is Gorgon Stair. And I even say this during the interview, and I'll say it here right now during the

the preface here. I had no idea what Gorgon Stair was. Never heard of it. All I know is Gorgans from mythology. But Gorgans Stair is a U.S. military surveillance technology. So what they do, it's kind of like the way it's explained in the

overview anyway on Google is that it's a wide area, airborne surveillance system. So it's a surveillance system that takes, that surveils a wide area. It uses, it's on drones. It has nine cameras. to capture images from the sky.

And so what Ashton has come out with over the past few days is that he now has gone to the theory that Ross Coldheart was right and that the MH370 videos were not caught by satellite like he's been talking about, but in fact, because that's what Ross Coldhart spoke about that. Ashton's videos are fake because they were not caught by satellite imagery. And then Ashton came out and said, you know what, you're right. It was actually Gorgon Stair. And so he goes into how he was able to figure that out.

And again, I know one of those people, Ashton Forbes, like I said it, at the beginning, that has a lot of attention around him, whether it's positive or negative. And so you can take it or leave it in everything that he puts out here. But I will say when it comes to the evidence that he points forth, we start right off with something that caught me way off guard. When we started recording yesterday, I mean, literally, right before I hit the record button, he said, hey, did you see my post five minutes ago? I said, no, I was actually just looking on your page for anything you might have posted before we started.

And it ended up being a layout of the thermal image, one of the thermal images that he has put out there from the MH370 teleportation video. And he was able to match up with the help of someone who pointed it out on a Twitter comment. And we get into this. So I'm not going to explain everything right now. But you're going to hear the episodes start off this way where he was able to say, wait a minute, one of the thermal images actually shows the different layouts of the Boeing plane on the schematics that you can find online. So he's actually putting out there right now.

And again, right before we came on, this evidence popped up in his lap that shows can match up the thermal images on the MH370 videos to match the actual schematics of the Boeing plane that's of that of MH370. So really wild. We get into that right away and was not expecting that. I was truly shocked when we started off that way because I wasn't expecting to start off that way. but, I mean, it really happens as soon as we were starting the episode. So you'll go on the wild ride with us. So you're going to hear Gorgon Stare. So Gorgon Stair is a surveillance system, and he proposes all that during the episode.

You're also going to hear the term whammy. If you don't know what whammy is, no, we're not talking about no whamies. We're talking about wide area motion imagery. So essentially something that Gorgon Stare would do, which is the wide area surveillance system. And whammy footage is just the wide area motion imagery. It's footage from a surveillance system like Gorgon Stair. And then lastly, you're going to hear about Sierra Nevada Corporation. Now, Sierra Nevada is a aerospace defense company.

They do security. They do aerospace defense. They have a bunch of things that they work on like aircraft integration, modification, secure intelligence, surveillance. So Sierra Nevada is pretty big. They're actually massive when it comes to the, defense contracting sector. So you're going to hear those terms.

You're going to hear those names. And I just wanted to put that out there as a little explainer because we really do go right into it. And if you never heard of Sierra Nevada Corporation and you weren't familiar what they did, if you never heard of the whammy, the term whammy outside of, you know, no whammy stop. And if you never heard of Gorgon Stair, that's how it all connects. That's what it all means. And that's what a lot goes into what Ashley was saying on those specific.

terms and names. So aside from that, we do get into all that and how AI actually helped in his investigation recently. And we do get into the Ross Coldheart situation. Very interesting discussion. He also brings up the cloud debunk. Just a backstory on that. That was something that a lot of people have brought up and they said, well, you

know what? The clouds in the MH370 video that Ashton puts out can be found on stock footage. In fact, Mick West has spoken about that before. and said that's why the video is fake. Ashton is proposing, and you'll hear it in the interview, that the clouds on the stock footage actually came from the Gorgansdair video, from the MH370 videos.

So really interesting stuff to consider. And also, who and what he's looking into as far as the cover-up, the conspiracy, who's involved? It's really high-level stuff with some of those names that I mentioned. You can probably guess right there. So I think I've explained enough. But I felt like we needed some of those explainers before you got right into the episode

because we really do jump right into it just with the way that everything happened all at once when we started recording this last night. So without further ado, myself and Ashton Forbes right now and I'll come back on after the interview with part one right here with some post interview thoughts before we wrap things up. So for now, enjoy. Well, here we go again. Ashton Forbes back on UAP. Ashton, even though I get many, many messages. just that people say, no, don't do it. I'm still happy to have you back on.

UAP, thanks for making the time. No problem. I was willing to risk your reputation. Well, you know what they say is no risk, no reward. So, you know, turns out all this is real. I guess you'll be looking pretty smart talking to me a bunch of times. So should we just jump right into it? Yeah, let's do it.

So I want to paint the picture here a little bit. Literally, and this has never happened before because you just mentioned all the times you've been on the show with me, which I always appreciate because I know you do a lot of different. media and videos and research, plus your actual job. So it's not like you have a ton of extra time. But in all the times you've been on here, five or six times, whatever it is,

I've never come on with you beforehand and been in a little bit of ontological shock. And that actually literally just happened before we started here. So I'll let you explain literally what just happened before we started talking. Yeah. So right before we started recording here, I was going through my replies and I noticed a very, very interesting reply

from somebody who's, I'm going to guess they're probably an engineer on airplanes is that they had posted that they believe that in the drone thermal video, MH370 video, that you can see the atmospheric control manifolds through the wall of the plane as a temperature difference. And can I go ahead and share the image right now?

Yeah, please. I think that'll make it easy. year for sure so they see i see this post and i look at it and i go huh i've always wondered what are those yellow spots on the hull of the plane because it's not the windows there's way more windows than that i always thought it was the windows i always thought it was the windows because it's kind of the same shape it's the same kind of spacing so those yellow spots you can see the forward door and you can see the back door they're they're pretty bright yellow but the other spots in between that are kind of separated there's six of them. We've wondered what are those six spots that we see there. So somebody today, just now,

let me see if I can pull that up. Just now they pointed out, so I circled, this is actually only five of them that are circled here that you can see in this image. There's a sixth one over here to the left. It's kind of blurry. So someone pointed out, David, a shout out to David Harleason, that this is the atmospheric control manifolds from the Boeing triple seven. Notice how it's there's six of them, six different zones. And then he even further expands and says that he doesn't think that the heat signature in the belly of the plane is actually a fire. He says he thinks it's coming from the air conditioning exhaust port, which I laughed because I've been saying that for two years. This isn't active fire. This is hot smoke that's coming out of the plane. You can see it wrapping around

the hall here on the right. It's not lined up with the engine and the temperature gradient doesn't match it coming from the engine either. And so he points out in his comment right here, which I'll pull up, I think the hot spot on the belly is not a fire, but the AC pack, which is run by the engine bleed air. The air is hot. Exactly. So if we go back to my reply, I was digging around trying to find schematics.

And I look at the video and sure enough, look at this. There's the hot air and there's this valve you can switch. And here's at least one of the AC exhaust ports that they can set up. this might the smoke we're seeing or might be coming from exactly this right here it might even be further up than i was thinking i thought it was a little bit further back than this so the ontological shock that we're having right now is we're sitting here going wow this proves that video has to be real there's no way somebody faked a thermal video and put the atmospheric control panels visible through the hull because of that temperature gradient.

This is wild, man. And this isn't something, I just want to point a couple of things out. Number one, for anybody who's listening to on the podcast, two things on that end. This video is going to be up on Twitter at UA Podcast 850. I'm sure Ashton will share it as well, just X Ashton. When I have this portion of the conversation up as far as the video is concerned, then I'll also put this out on YouTube at some point soon so you can follow along in the video. But what Ashton had up there, if you're not looking at the video as we're talking,

is really just a thermal image showing where these, you know, these AC units would be. And it lines up perfectly on the schematic of the same type of, you know, Boeing jet, right, that Malaysian Airlines had. And so when you're talking about the possibility of the video being faked, which to this day is still hotly, maybe even more hotly contested than ever, now you have a video, the video, that lines up with the schematic of the actual plane on where these AC units would be and where the hotspot would be because of the proposed theory of a lithium ion battery fire. Ashton, this is pretty wild. Like this is new. This isn't contrived.

We didn't come up with this. And Ashton didn't plant somebody in his replies to say this before we started talking. This literally just happened. And I got to tell you, I'm like throwing for a loop by this. This shows why there's been an active disinformation campaign to get people to not pay attention of the videos. Because the more you look at them, the more you learn, the more things just unravel. The more we find out, like in this case, oh, wow, the schematic.

So I'd have to be a Boeing triple seven engineer to even think about the, I didn't even know the atmosphere control manifolds in the plane. But now it makes sense. Of course, that's how they distribute the air conditioning throughout the plane. Didn't even think about that, but there you go. So they've really been done this effort of trying to make people, brainwashing people in the thinking that you're looking at video games or that, you know, somebody just hoax these videos for fun for no credit

and never made themselves available even now later on. They want you to think that what you're seeing isn't possible there. And if you really think about it, though, you go, none of that makes sense. The story of the videos being fake makes no sense at all. Because there's no such thing as even hoax fake military videos, let alone hoax fake thermal military video. And now we know to be Gorgon Stair military video, perfectly consistent with real military, wide area motion imagery. So they had to get people to not pay attention to the videos because they were afraid desperately of the thing, the other thing that we uncovered this last week, which was Gorgon. stare. Yeah, I'm glad you bring that up. So we'll tie all this back around as we kind of loop

through the conversation. But I want to ask you about Gorgon Stair. So in all fairness, I had never heard of Gorgon Stair. I didn't know what it was. I'm not sure many people have heard of Gorgant before you brought it up or brought it up over the past few days. And the reason this came up, and I want to ask you about this and connected was Ross Coldheart. Of course, I think kind of everybody knows who that is. I'm not sure I need to explain it. Ross Coldheart is, you know, journalist Australia and News Nation, one of the biggest names in euphology as far as reporting goes. And he was asked about you in an interview and the videos. And he said he had it on good authority

that from someone who works, I believe, I might be wrong so you can correct me, but I think he said someone who works in special forces told him that National Geospatiancy is what he said. Thank you. And so they told him that basically the theory that you had come up with as far as the satellite imagery wasn't possible, it doesn't work that way, therefore the videos weren't real. And then the game kind of changed. No, but then he also added on too, he said that he spoke with Mick West, the number one, you know, serial debunker, and that Mick West wrote an article in skeptical inquirer that

says that there are cloud pictures available on a textures website that were used to make the satellite video. Okay, so Ross Colart had his big day, super happy, took Ashton down a pay, And then what happened right after that? Well, this could not have turned out worse for Ross Colhart. This is like the meme of the woman pulling the watermelon back and then shooting the watermelon and having to come back and just blast her in the face. Like literally just absolute total disaster turns out he's right. It wasn't satellite at all.

I have been working on this theory of that this was filmed by something called Argus for the last few months. You can find my post dating back to December. That's what I love about being fully transparent about my research. I do remember seeing that, to be fair. I remember you mentioned. I had been digging into the camera. And I was thinking this must be a satellite video. Why?

Because the video is called satellite video airliner and UFOs. We see NRL 22 in the corner. We mapped all the satellites in existence and found two that were over the area in the right position. So logically it made sense that it could be a satellite video. And we knew that this whammy capability had some advanced capability to correct for movement as well. So we weren't concerned too much with the arguments against it being satellite video. Now, two things changed my mind.

One was digging into Argus and digging into Whammy. The second one was John Ramirez, first Twitter post ever, was saying that USA 229, the satellite pair that I identified doesn't have any sensors on it that are capable of any optical imaging whatsoever, of any sort. And he is a guy that I don't think is going to go out there and intentionally. lie. He is former CIA, but I get a vibe from him where he kind of wants disclosure to kind of happen. So that was a very weird thing because that's a direct message to me. I mean, I'm the guy saying, talking about that satellite. But the bigger thing was this, was that I had been already considering,

like, could it be possible there's another plane over the top of MH370? Here's MH370, looking down, a drone, looking down, or a blimp or just whatever, looking down with a camera. And I had asked AI that to analyze the picture, determined angles and what have you and said, yeah, absolutely, it'll be 18,000 feet. And I went, huh, that's a lot lower than I thought. I was expecting to say something like 20, you know, 70,000 feet or something like that. So I kind of went, maybe I'm kind of too all in on this idea that it's a satellite. Maybe it could be another drone. So I decided to look up every single whammy capability that were out there. And I had already thought that this Argus camera was the whammy capabilities they were using, but I wanted to see everything. And all I really did was first narrow it down to just things that would have similar frame rates like we see, nighttime capabilities and infrared capabilities. And right away, the AI pretty much narrowed it down to three different whammy systems. One called Angel Fire, that is an older system from like the, I think the early 2000s. And then two others, Argus and something called Gorgon Stare.

So Argus and Gorgon Stare had very similar capabilities. So I kept trying to figure out with the AI, like how do I differentiate it between the two of them? I'm looking through all the sources and then boom. I find out the reason why they look so similar is they are the same. Argus integrated into Gorgon Stair in something called Gorgon Stair increment two between 2012 and 2014 at the exact perfect time to be implicated in the video. So then the next step was Drew Ponder from Twitter put it through one of these advanced AI models, not Grock, but one of the other ones.

And turns out the actual analysis of the video itself is a point-for-point, perfect match for Gorgon-Stare increment two capabilities, the six frames per second in the background, the 24 frames per second we saw from the video feed, plus something we didn't even know before, there's an update rate of 1 Hertz, which happens to be only consistent with this U.S. standard, I think it's the 0601, something. something or other standard guidance, which shows that footage we're seeing there is actually real Gorgon Stair capabilities. That's that's what we're. It can't be anything else.

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And that's the point, because when you fly with Hawaiian airlines, it's hard to tell where your flight ends and vacation begins. Hawaii starts here. And worse yet, not only does it show all of that, but it doesn't matter what we're visually seen in the video now, because our proof, our forensic proof,

is based on the update rate and the download rate and the visual playback rate of the video itself, not based on any of the details in the video. So if you claim, oh, this was a stock effect, none of that even matters. We've already proven all those things are wrong. And then the best, best, best, part is that this system's been out there for 11 years.

Everyone in the Air Force that has seen Gorgon Stair knows the videos are real. They know that's Gorgansdair capability. We've been sitting here and probably thousands of people know those videos are real. And there's just been a wall of silence. Oh, sorry, the even more best part, worse news for Ross Bullhart. Couldn't have been a worse video for him to make at that time. was that because that's Gorgon stare Whammy and not really a satellite video, those cloud pictures that were found on the internet that everybody, including me, agrees

are a perfect match to the video, can only have been planted on the internet from the original intelligence community whammy data. They planted the photos on the internet to cover up the military leak, and it's proven, 100% proven. it's not possible for someone to have made a fake Gorgon Stair video before it was even really publicly known that system existed 10 years ago. In fact, just like you said to begin this, no one even knew what the heck Gorgon Stair was before I revealed it to people this week. Why am I so confident? Because it's over.

It's just over. We have been shutting down phone services for Sierra Nevada Corporation, the producer and integrator of Gorgon Stair, who are directly implicated. in this called them out calling them out their phone lines got completely shut off they're not they're gone totally silent not making any public statement this is all 100% real by the way and today we the voice mailbox for the air force public relations completely full they're not picking up the phone dod refers you to an email address where nobody responds back to they won't issue any statement whatsoever about the videos of course they can't issue a statement about it they can't deny it if they If they say the confirm or deny it, it makes the news.

If they can't deny it because they'll get caught out for lying. And they can't obviously tell the truth. So we're in the perfect situation right now where nobody can say anything. We absolutely know we are right. And then what's Ross Colehart doing? But brother, you took a shot at me. And it just backfired in your face. Every day he doesn't come out and say something, he's just losing credibility.

It should take him five minutes to call up one of his Air Force contacts and get them to confirm that's Gorgon stare. Five minutes. What's he waiting for? Do you give him a little, okay, follow me here. Do you give Ross a little credit for calling out that it wasn't a satellite? Because to be fair, that actually ended up being, it actually ended up being true. Right? You know, okay. Why did this contact? Why does his contact go, no, no, Ross, that's not a satellite because it's Gorgon stare. Right? Like that, that's the next sentence there. The sentence that Ross forgot to say in his video,

was he knew it was actually real and he knew what it actually was. He just didn't want to say that. Do you think he's being told to lie? Do you think he's being told to try to shut you down? I want Ross. You should ask Ross that question. Everybody should ask Ross that question. Is he being paid to lie or is he just a useful idiot?

It's one of the two at this point. There's no in between. Sorry, I'm just not going to sugarcoat it. Right. Like he, if Ross was a serious actual journalist, the very first thing he would have done right after I revealed this over a week ago is he would have contacted the Air Force he would have attracted it he would apologize to me and we'd be talking about the biggest story ever right now no all these people are

protecting national security all of them are they all know it's legit the only people that don't know these videos are real is the public is you guys out there listening all these UFO people they all know the whole things are big scam they know the whole things are all in on it man every single one of them Lou Osanda Ross Colhart, Gary Nolan, Hal put up, Eric Davis. Every single one of the guys you guys look up to, they're all in on the scam. What is the scam in your eyes? What is the big picture?

Free energy. The UFO technology is the scam. That's the thing they're holding back, right? What's the, it shouldn't even take me to explain it. What's the national security issue? It's not aliens, guys. It's not aliens. The national security issue is we're not going to lose the technological war to China.

What does Palantir say? right off the bat. They say, we are going to maintain technological supremacy. Well, maintaining technological supremacy also requires hiding the technology from the public. That's what it requires. Because if you're not hiding it from the public, then China's going to get it. So what did they ultimately decide? They decided they're going to hide this UFO technology from the world. They're going to enrich themselves, make themselves billionaires at the expense of all of us and slowly drip this out at a rate in which they determine that we have no control over, an unelected, covert elite, people like the owner of Sierra Nevada Corporation, Aaron Osman and her husband, Faith.

These people, they own a non-public company that the government is doing illegal spy operations through. Everybody knows it. They're so intermingled between having intelligence people in their company. There's no, none of their books are even publicly available because of the private company. And this is how it's become just a straight out, like when you talk about the breakway civilization, this is it. We found them. It's a mixture of these high-ranking government people who know about these UFO programs,

advanced technology programs, whatever they are. And then the defense contractors that they are funneling it to, that they are working with, that they are conducting illegal covert operations with that include the technology, that use the technology. I want to just hit on something basic here before I get too far into the weeds. Let's talk about Sierra Nevada Corp. For anybody who doesn't know who they are, what they are, why are they a player in this? How would you describe Sierra Nevada when it comes to Gorgon Stair and why they would be interested in using teleportation technology to take MH370? So I got so excited when I saw the words that Sierra Nevada Corporation was the integrator of the technology and that they feed the technology to the joint tactical intelligence.

intelligence network. Why? Because what's my real job? My real job is healthcare IT database architect. One thing I do know is databases. And I know it very well because I build healthcare databases for hospitals and have for a very long time. And I build interfaces as well. So what I know is if those videos were passing through Sierra Nevada servers, they are effed beyond possible belief. They are just done. If those videos touch their servers, they are legally donezo, because that is a straight up super illegal operation that has no possible justification targeting a civilian airliner. And at a minimum, bare minimum, even if those videos didn't touch their servers somehow, even if they figured out the architecture and not legally have it touched them, they know the videos

are real and they're not saying anything, which is criminal conspiracy. They know it is. They know that's Gorgon Stair. They know that's their footage and they're not saying anything about it. So Sierra Nevada Corporation is basically the Lockheed Martin of illegal spy surveillance. So they are the ones that are conducting and have the videos. They probably have all the Immaculate Constellation videos to if those videos really exist. In terms of where are those being stored, maybe they're being stored on an NSA database, but more likely you save the ones that are the illegal ones and the UFO stuff on a private company server.

So where are you going to save them? You're going to save them at Sierra Nevada's where they can't be foiled or anything like that. And that company gets almost all of its money from the federal government. So the whole point of the company basically is to shield this technology, shield them from the law. You know, because you think about what is this effectively doing? It's effectively taking federal money and they're putting it into this spy company that is doing 100% illegal things with the surveillance capabilities.

and nobody can see any of it now. And all they did was move from over here and over here. And all the people in this company are basically all ex-militarian intelligence people. They're basically all government people under a non-government umbrella. So it sounds like Ashton, and you correct me if I'm wrong in the way I'm kind of reading the situation, it sounds like in the case of MH370, if Sierra Nevada is actually implicated in what would be advanced tech to teleport this plane or transport it somewhere, you know, using quantum physics or mechanics, that sounds like they would be a middle man for somebody

and they're just using Sierra Nevada's tech to make this happen? So I'm not saying that Sierra Nevada is using the orbs. I'm not saying that the ones responsible for this, in fact. I mean, this can only be a U.S. Special Forces type situation. Now, I'm digging through it, trying to understand the layout of Special Forces now to really nail the right people. But right off the bat, I'm looking at Socom and I'm looking at J-Soc. So special operations and then joint special operations command.

But then there's also one called like S.O.A. or something, which is some even more special forces the CIA uses and they pull from the Socom special forces people from the Delta Force, Steel Team 6, et cetera. So one of these groups is involved and absolutely the CIA is involved. When it comes to Sierra Nevada, they are not quite the same as a camera manufacturer. It's not like they sold them a weapon and said, here you go. Sierra Nevada is directly connected to the data processing of this. That's why they're implicated. That's why I'm saying from a database perspective, they're the integrator of the data. So what they're saying is, okay, all this data is going to feed together into this system called Gorgon Stair.

And this software is building this 3D Google Earth map. And then they're able to produce video from that. And then they package that video from that, that data from that, which is massive. I mean, we're talking thousands of terabytes, maybe per day. And then they package that and feed that to multiple sources if they want, feed that. And then that's where these special operations are using that data. So what I'm saying is Sierra Nevada Corporation is implicated on several levels.

They're implicated on the level where they might, the minimum level is they know that Skorgon Stair. And they should have made a statement like 10 years ago when it leaked down the internet. And definitely now, because now there's no way they can claim ignorance. they may have even more culpability in that they've integrated all the data together and they're feeding that data to them and they know that this data is being used for illegal purposes. They could be implicated in that or it may even go beyond that.

And the people that are running Sierra Nevada Corporation know that the illegal black operations are going on. And they built the Gorgon-Stare system to support the illegal black operations. And that would be, you know, as implicated in it as you could be. My opinion is probably closer to the latter than the former. But I don't really care. All I know is they're definitely implicated enough that in a just world, their CEO should be getting arrested right now.

Their servers should be being confiscated and people should be digging through them because do you really think this is the only illegal operation? They've done no way. We've already got more than enough proof. If I'm a, and I'm not a lawyer here, but I'm just going to go ahead and say that I'm pretty confident that all we need to do is take the footage we already have, get literally any Gorgon Stair, Argus footage that looks like that, and we've got boom, 100% proof that they're implicated in it, right?

Like that, we don't even need to find the original footage because we have it. We just need to find something that compares to it and it's over. Yeah. Yeah. And in that case, why do you think there hasn't been a bigger uproar about this? I mean, as far as because obviously, listen, you're obviously convinced, right? You do the work. You put the work into it.

You've come to these conclusions for sure. So when you reconcile all this with yourself and you ask yourself the question, why the hell is no one paying attention? When I say no one, I'm talking news networks. I'm talking Congress. I'm talking the Senate. Why the president? Why is no one saying something about this when I've discovered this and I'm so sure that this is happening? That's the big question. It's the question I've been wondering for two years. Part of the reason why I intentionally am sometimes, inflammatory is to polarize people. Why? Because it helps me figure out who's on what side. Why? Who are the people that know and who are the people that don't know? That's the hardest thing to figure out. Who are the people that know and who are the people that don't know? So we, I need to polarize people because I need to get people to respond to be able to judge where they're at.

For example, I had no idea where Ross Colhart was at in terms of his useful idiot or is he in the no or maybe he just thinks the videos are fake, what have you. Now I know he's got to be at least protecting national security at a minimum because anybody who's real journalists should have just confirmed what I told them by now and then apologize and what have you and he has it so the sad truth of what I've concluded especially over the last couple last week since this gorgon stare review is that we're just in a shadow of secrecy just like it is wall of silence on every side I mean we're talking mainstream media government has a full lockdown on them do not talk about this no matter what major podcaster Sean Ryan, Sean Ryan definitely knows those videos are real.

Definitely. He's CIA. He's special ops. He talks to all the top special ops people. Sean Ryan knows those videos are real. No question, no doubt. Joe Rogan, at this point, I'm pretty sure he was told, don't have this guy on. It hurts national security if you do.

I mean, it's just not enough to say that like, oh, Jeremy Corbelle told me not to have this guy on at this point. No, man, this is so far beyond, oh, some random UFO guy. it, you know, is already kind of eccentric, told me not to have him on. That excuse doesn't really fly anymore. So that's the scary part is, oh boy, we're actually in a wall of silence. And so what that means is I have to be even louder. I have to really punch at people.

And that's why you've seen me now, you know, got Sierra Nevada's phone lines got shut down. I did not tell people to shut people's phone. I just posted their publicly available phone number and told people to call, you know, if contact security and ask them for their public statement about the videos. I mean, they should be issuing a public statement about these videos. That's Gorgon Stare. They know it.

Let's not lie. Do the right thing. Say that you know that's Gorgon Stare. Let's help get the truth, you know, for the families and going to press them again, you know, and when they keep responding guiltily,

like deleting the web page for whammy Gorgon Stare, which they literally did last week. They deleted the web page after I exposed them. Wow. And they deleted it so fast that they forget. got to delete the hyperlink to the webpage on one of the other web pages. You guys can find all this in the Twitter. None of this is being made up absolutely 100% real years, literally watching a criminal

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related to Malaysian airlines flight 370 you should probably be able to find it there's this guy he's been talking about for like two years you can find it pretty easily um or send them a link to it's i uploaded a new recent link version of the gorgon stair on my youtube channel and The reason why this is important is that we have to force them to say something, say anything. Like I said before, we can't tell what side everyone's on until we force them to say something. And they're stuck in a situation where they can't say anything at all. Like people like Ross Colehart can't say anything, people like Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, nobody can say anything. Because they will get caught in the lie if they do.

And they know it. So if they were to say, I can't talk about that, then that's a news story. If they, Air Force can't come out and DOD can't come on and say it's fake because then somebody's going to come out on the record legally and say, I know this is real. And then they're going to be in big, big trouble and it becomes a huge new story. And the scandal just becomes ten times worse. And they can't come on and say it's real either because, well, obviously. So the answer then is just press them. Keep pressing them until something breaks.

And what I expect to happen is that someone will crack. Someone will crack because the legal pressure will become too much. which might not be one of the top people, but somebody in the know who either wants to do the right thing or doesn't want to go to prison for the rest of the life, will come out and leak something important that will implicate some of these other people. You, speaking of some of the people in the shadows,

you recently tried to get in touch with Edward C. Lin, and I believe he was going under a new name, new identity. I don't believe that materialized, but I know you were really shooting for the stars on that one. How did that end up? And what was kind of the, well, yeah, the end result when it came to your research to speak with him or any of his representatives. And Edward Ceylin for the record, in case you're not up with it, is the man that you've put out, according to your research, is the guy who leaked the video. I mean, I think I'm doing pretty good so far.

I mean, I'm not perfect, but I'm doing pretty solid of my assumptions on stuff going on the videos. and Edward Lynn is still definitely the guy that got these videos out. In fact, it makes even more sense now to me because now I'm thinking that being Gorgon Stair, that being a CIA covert op means he probably wasn't on the op. Somebody who's on that op is never leaking

a video related to the op, right? You only get selected for that because I know you would never in a bazillion years ever leak it. So instead, what happened was he was probably on the rescue mission for MH370. He was on the rescue op, searching for MH370 the next day. They didn't tell.

him that it you know what they did he had no idea and he goes and he decides he has access to you know a secret this advanced server with this gorgon stare at he had access to it because he's on some joint command network and he is super high ranked guy that they had trusted with a lot of shit so oh sorry hopefully that swears okay um so he saw it and he freaks out he sees it and he freaks out and he goes holy crap maybe he thought like i said before maybe he thought it was UFOs maybe he thought it was aliens that zapped the plane because unless until you put all the context together you can't really figure out that that was like a whole special operation so maybe he just saw oh somebody recorded this and saw the alien zap in the plane oh i'm going to leak this to the to the media or maybe he saw

he's going to show somebody else and they leaked it because i think it was an indirect leak and then the reason why i say it's indirect is because he seemed blindsided when they charged him when they arrested him like he didn't think anything he did anything bad so he may not even have realized because those videos didn't get much attention initially. So he may not have to realize that they leaked on the internet. And then he finds out they leaked on the internet and they leaked out because of him. And he realizes that he gets told that that's our super secret technology. And you just, you hurt national security in a way like literally nobody ever has before.

Because then, you know, China's now reverse engineering that technology. And gains leverage over the United States because of that as well. So he's still definitely the guy. The good news for him is I don't need him anymore. We don't need him anymore to prove the videos are real. And in fact, the more I think about it, even if he comes out and admits the videos are real, the crazy as it is, I don't think it would change anything. Even Edward Lynn comes out and says, yep, I leaked those videos. It's not going to change anything.

We already know. And you ask yourself, you may ask me then, why? Why wouldn't that change anything? Well, did Gorgon Stare change anything? And we have absolute proof. That's Gorgon Stare in that video. By the way, two sources that confirmed it. Two Air Force sources are are confirmed it.

Oh, is that right? Yeah. And no, I'm not going to say who they are and no, there's no chance I ever will. I don't care what people think. Look, it's Gorgon Stare, whether or not you believe it or not. I don't really care. Ask literally any Air Force source that's seen Gorgon Stair, right? Well, what I found interesting was when you talked about Gorgon Stair and the, you know, matching capabilities.

That, that to me is the part that really stood out personally. When you talk about the frame rate and all these different, you know, fine details that would be nearly, if I'm being honest, it would be nearly impossible for just some dude who makes graphic videos to fake to know the capabilities of a secret, you know, weapons system, I mean, or surveillance system. That would be pretty difficult. I mean, that's what we're talking about is like data that's being fed live. Someone was actually watching that live. We're watching a playback version in the whammy, but someone was watching that data live. That's the crazy part. What was probably happening there's Edward Lynn was pulling up

version that was previously recorded live that shouldn't have probably been on an area where he was able to see it. And it may have been because this was so early in the Gorgans Stere implementation of increment two, like super early. In fact, there was only a couple pods out there that were public pods that were known. So the data might not have been set up correctly. Like I do database stuff. And one of the common things is like, oh, if you have to like send files somewhere,

it's like, oh, you send it to this place. But what if the client forgot to tell you like, oh, for the super secret shit, it needs to go to this like other sequester area, right? I can totally see some IT person messing that up. And then Edward Lynn now all of a sudden sees it and goes, oh my goodness. And yeah, so that's almost certainly, I think, how it played out. And it would be nice to have Edward Lynn, but he comes out and says that he probably just risks his life if he does that. And nothing really changes.

The media is not going to say anything because, again, what are we, what am I saying? The government controls the media. Media has clearly been told not to touch this topic. And if Edward Lynn comes out, they're still not going to touch it. The best bet for Edward Lynn, in my opinion, would be to go to AARO and tell them in a skiff the story and then have AARO come back to me and then have me testify. But that won't happen either because Congress all knows too. I'm already super suspicious, already was super suspicious of Congress budding it up with all the UAP disclosure people or also definitely controlled disclosure, all of them. And so I'm of the opinion that, you know, all of the Congress people are also protecting national security and know the UFO technology is being used in a shadow war between us and China and what have you.

Yeah, that's actually really interesting because that was a question to have for you is, you know, do you feel like, because I just just, again, the interest of full disclosure here. You and I have spoken behind the scenes about this idea about who knows what in Congress and just messaging about. just messaging back and forth on that conversation. And I wonder, just to put it out on the record here on the show, I mean, is that kind of where you stand that there are certain congressional members, or is it all of Congress, all the Senate that would know this is going on, or do you think there's a select few that kind of keep this under wraps and, you know, leave the others astray?

One of the things that really shook me a year ago was when I saw the email that, and I deleted any evidence that would really prove that I had ever, actually seen that email. So I deleted the email addresses so that no one can ever see. But I know that it was Senator Rounds, Schumer, and Rubio were on on it. And it was a bunch of other military people that presumably were intelligence or something. I don't really know. But the email was the, at least the two pages of the email that I had seen, you know, they knew about MH370. They were being told directly about MH370 and related to the, told that those are ball lightning that the Soviets developed and this cold explosion stuff. And I'm going, what? Like, and this was, you know, a year ago before I was

as confident. So that was one of the things that like helped me really realize like, oh, boy, they all really know. Like the only people that don't really know is like the public. And then with Congress, at first I couldn't really tell, you know, um, at first I couldn't really tell. I've spoken to Congressman Burleson before. And, you know, I told him, all about the technology and stuff like that. And maybe I wasn't 100% accurate on all the science because it's been kind of a learning progress. But one of the things that surprised me was one of his responses that he, you know, ran it by,

you know, Ph.D. Physicist that he knows that said that the zero point energy stuff doesn't check out or what have you, which is absolutely nonsense. Total nonsense. And the reason why now I'm skeptical of him is because he's sitting there talking to Eric, you know, sitting right next to Eric Davis. And Eric Davis is the number two. I don't know.

I'm going to rank the spooks in terms of where they are in the ranking of covering up UFO stuff. But Eric Davis is definitely lying to people. I mean, he's lying by admission. He knows exactly how this stuff works. In fact, I'm going to go so far as I say right now, he's number one on my list for who I suspect, figured out how to make the balls of the plasma jammed together to teleport something away. He's the guy that figured it out. Like you look at his research in the, especially the stuff he did for the Air Force research labs in the early 2000s,

Frank Mead was the one having him write all these papers, and Frank Mead was working on all types of super advanced stuff. So I'm guessing Frank Mead was working on these plasma orbs, brought Eric Davis in to figure out how they could do crazy stuff like make things teleport, maybe because they knew because they had seen UFOs do it or something like that. And so Eric Davis research is like, you know, all the best UFO or wormhole physicist becomes the best guy himself, and then weaponizes it for the government.

And that's why he's sitting front and center at the UFO hearings. Why is there a physicist sitting front and center at the UFO hearings? Because he's figuring out how to do the UFO technology for them. Duh. And he was the guy to mention the four different races of, you know, NHI. That's obvious. He was told by the CIA to say that. Can you imagine a guy like Eric Davis?

Eric Davis is physicist. Look at his credentials. He's off the charts. And he's sitting there telling somebody there's four races of aliens. That's the big thing he wants to. reveal in his hearing, his whistleblower hearing, you got, if you believe that, you are just too far into the, into the illusion, you know, they've got you with the keys dangling and you're just hypnotized by teleportation technology. And he's sitting here talking about the four different

types of aliens. He's probably saying that to discredit himself so that people don't listen to the stuff he really knows. Yeah, I mean, it is interesting. So do you think that's, that was kind of way too far out of character to the point where that was basically an attempt by him to distract from the real issues? Is that kind of the assumption? Yeah, I literally seem comical to me. And this is now where I'm really convinced that they're talking about aliens to really distract from even what they've done. And if you look at the MH370 videos from that lens, it makes a lot of sense because before all of this two years ago, I think 99.9% of people looked at those videos, they would have thought that's aliens up in the plane way.

Even me. And now, now that that has been completely demystified, most people will now look at that. I think a significant percentage will look at that now and say, well, that's, you know, U.S. government technology. They were just trying to blame all the evil stuff they've done on aliens. I mean, that's certainly what it seems like they're setting up to. And I'm going to believe that until somebody proves me that's not what they're trying to do.

Because it sure seems that way. I don't see any aliens. I've never seen like a mantis person come up and bite someone. someone's head off before. You know, I've never seen that. But I have seen the government do a lot of evil stuff and try to blame it on other people. Catch the NBA playoffs on Sling TV, the most flexible live TV streaming service, putting consumers in control to watch games their way with flexible subscriptions. Want to catch one game or a full series on ESPN? Grab a one, three, or seven-day pass. If you want to catch as many

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to break it up. I wasn't really planning on breaking it up, but it just kept going. And I actually felt bad. I apologize to Ashton toward the end. which you'll hear in part two in a couple of days where I say, I didn't mean to keep you so long. We didn't really set any parameters as far as time was concerned, and it was just a free flowing conversation.

In fact, I really only wrote down like two or three bullet points that I wanted to talk about, and everything else was just organic conversation, which I always thoroughly enjoy. And I always feel like anyway, that's when I'm able to have the best conversations with somebody, is just that organic free-flowing conversation. and that's really exactly what this turned into with myself and Ashton.

So that is part one. A couple of things that really caught my attention were, you know, Ashton's take on what he says the alien conversation is a scam. I wanted to press him on that a little bit, which I think you heard. And that it's not that he's saying that, you know, aliens themselves are not real. The conversation is not, you know, a real one to have. his take is or his stance really is that it's used as a distraction to take away from the most important part, which in his opinion is the free energy part of this conversation because the free energy part is,

look, if that's what extraterrestrials are using for their propulsion is free energy. And we figure that out through reverse engineering or maybe we have figured it out through reverse engineering. if those orbs in the MH370 video are indeed real and they do belong to the U.S. government, then it seems like we figured out something when it comes to free energy or zero point energy and teleportation tech. So that's what he's getting at is that if this video is real, which of course he says it is, and no doubt in his mind, obviously, then that is the most important discovery in the history of humankind.

And is the alien conversation would be secondary and a distraction to the, revelation that we have this essentially, you know, alien tech, if you will. So that's where I think some people get crossed up with Ashton, and I just wanted to clear that part up there. Just on my take, that was something that stood out to me. And it's just so funny how you can go from. And I said this earlier, but it's just something I wanted to bring up again. Going from Lou Elizondo to Ashton Forbes. And I said it to Ashton during the interview where it said, you know, I just had on Lou Elizando

last week that I have on you, you really can't go from two more opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to the UAP conversation. But that's what I want to try to do here. And I even had somebody say online, like, you know, we're happy to see you have on Ashton Forbes instead of Lou Alizando. And that's totally fine. I'm very happy to talk to both of them because that's what I want to do. I want to have a fair conversation with everybody.

And when you talk about two opposite sides of the spectrum, you really don't get too much further away than Lou and Ashton. And I'm very, I actually take pride in that. If I'm being honest, I like a lot of pride, that I'm able to have both of those figures on the show that I'm actually, and I don't say this in a boastful way, that I've worked up enough reputation to be respected enough in this community that we have together to have on both of those guys. There's a lot of figures or a lot of shows that wouldn't even want to have on one or

the other. They would say, no, I don't want to have on Lou, or I don't want to have on Ashton because they say this or they say that. I'm like, let's go. Let's have these conversations. So I take a lot of pride in the fact that they would both on opposite sides of the spectrum say yes, I'll come on

and talk with you, Stephen, on UAP. That actually means a lot to me because that means that I think that means I'm doing something right, that I'm able to bring these conversations to you in a way that I like to think is unique. So hopefully you enjoy it getting all sides of the conversation on all sides of the spectrum.

But just a great conversation that I truly enjoyed and so much more to come up in part two with myself and Ashton Forbes, which will come out pretty soon. I plan on having that out in just a couple of days, preferably before Friday. So I'm really shooting here for Thursday the 22nd, I'm sorry, Thursday the 22nd to have out part two with myself in Ashton Forbes. just so much great conversations, so much to consider. Because I think the thing that really gets me is just to have these conversations and have these considerations of, wow, this could really be real. And if it is, I mean, it does change the world if this stuff is real. And especially if we can uncover that, it's been hidden and been covered up for over a

decade. My goodness gracious. So just to have that thought and to have that conversation and to put that out into the open and to consider the evidence that would point toward that, to me, is like next level mind-boggling. So just incredible stuff. And I really enjoyed it. And I hope you did as well.

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