UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 134 Steve Bassett and the Politics of Disclosure

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

DC insider, Steve Bassett, joins Stephen Diener to discuss the goings on behind the scenes in the nations capital and how closed door discussions might be propelling the disclosure movement forward. Plus, what is the worst case "catch 22" scenario that the Trump administration faces? All of that and more right now on UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And even mahoney.com. Yes, welcome back into UAP for episode 134. Stephen Deaner back with you here for a new exciting week on the Unidentified Alien podcast. And happy to present this one with my good buddy Stephen Bassett, who really does a great job out of Washington, D.C., to really talk about all of the things that go into the political spectrum when it comes to disclosure. Hence the title of this one, the politics of disclosure, because he really has his finger on the pulse of D.C. and the scene there when it comes to how the Congress is approaching this, how the Senate is approaching this, how the different departments and the department heads appointed by the president might be approaching this. And we really get into the fine detail of all that. And I just find that type of conversation to be really, really fascinating because it's really that behind the scene stuff that he really does have his finger on the pulse of, like I said. So we get into a lot of that stuff here today.

with Stephen Bassett, what I'd like to call a D.C. specialist in the UFO discussion. So really happy that he could join me here today. He does a lot of interviews. He's been everywhere for years on this discussion. So he's a really big name in this discussion. So I'm really always grateful when I get to have him here on UAP to kind of continue this run of some really great perspectives lately on the show. Again, depending on your outlook, but that's totally fine. Just get that perspective out there here on UAP. And we do get into some of the things like as far as, you know, what did happen with the skiff, what did happen with the hearing, what might happen in the future. I know there's been a lot of talk about that over the past couple weeks.

So we just kind of clear that up and confirm some of the things that we had heard before to kind of, I guess he could say, put an end to that discussion for now until we have new hearings and new skiffs on the books, which I assume will be soon sometime in the future. And he talks about the catch-22 of disclosure. And I thought that part was really, really interesting when we get into that, you know, how would other countries or what would happen here if we had another country, especially an adversary, come out first? You know, if there really is this type of big disclosure to announce, what would happen if China or if Russia or somebody else came out first to say, hey, guess what? We're not alone. We have the evidence. We have the bodies. We have the craft.

We reverse engineer, this and that. What would that be like for the United States? United States when it comes to not leading in the conversation on disclosure and not being the first country to step forward and say, here is what's going on. Are there backdoor agreements on how something like that would work or would we get caught with kind of like our pants down in a situation like that? So there's really a great conversation here in this episode. And that's really one of the parts that I enjoyed the most. So we get into all of those things, some really thought-provoking conversation here with Steve Bassett. This I think I've had him on the show with three or

four times. And I think this might have been my favorite just because of, it was really thought provoking stuff when it comes to this conversation. So all that said, I won't run on anymore. Here is myself with Stephen Bassett right now talking about all this good stuff on this new episode of UAP. Enjoy. Happy to have him back here. Steve Bassett from Paradigm Research Group and overall just UFO aficionado when it comes to all the goings on, especially in D.C. And there's a lot going on in D.C. these days, and that's why I'm really happy to have Steve back on the show here. Steve, thanks for joining UAP once again. I'm happy to have you. Steven, always good to be with you.

Yes. And it's been a while since we spoke, actually, I think, since the last big event in D.C., which was the November hearings. And since then, there's been a lot of change, obviously change in administration, in addition to a new transparency task force. And with that has come with a lot of expectations. One of those expectations has been, when are we going to get a new hearing? And when are we going to have the skiff with people like Dave Grush, Lou Elizando, Chris Mellon? When are they going to get in there with representatives? So I guess one thing at a time, starting with the hearing. We were supposed to have that hearing already within the past week.

And it didn't happen. I've heard different explanations for it. I want to get your take on what the delay is and when do you think it might out? actually happen. The reason that the Anna Polina Luna was interviewed just the other day. I made this quote from that in a second. And also Eric Burleson, both on the subcommittee were interviewed. And they made it clear that three, at least three people were ill and couldn't make it.

And that included, Elizondo included drug grush and someone else. So they just had to cancel it. it didn't help that they weren't able to get that skiff in terms of the hearing. Now, the hearing, I think, was probably canceled because they could not have that skiff. That's one reason. There are other things going on. I mean, it's a very, very intense situation in D.C. right now. Nothing is predictable.

Yeah, and it's weird, too, when it comes to the sickness thing. You know, because as you mentioned, Anna Apollina Luna mentions that, you know, she called it the skiff flu, actually. And I had Lou on the show with me recently that never came up as far as him or anyone else being sick. He did give the same reason. So I'm glad to hear the concise reasoning as far as why the hearing didn't happen because the skiff needs to happen first. So that does make sense. And that, you know, that's confirmation just for everything and it's kind of going steps. but interestingly enough Steve

you have Lou's attorney Ivan Handel and he answered this on Twitter about whether or not Lou was sick he says Lou was not sick so he's like I'm not sure where that came from he says yes he was exhausted but he didn't have the flu

and he didn't have a cold so do you think wires got crossed somewhere and that's just the best way and how Polina Luna was able to describe it maybe just easily and say people weren't feeling good so we couldn't do it yeah It's weird.

This is how things go. Wires get crossed all the time. So I don't read much. I don't, I underreact to all the minutia. I just don't want to get into that. Those that are very frustrated about the fact that hasn't resolved yet are going to jump on anything to try to read into it. And in fact, a lot of it's just standard things that happen. So whatever the reason they didn't want that skiff.

Whatever it is, it really doesn't matter. They didn't have it, right? What is a big deal if she follows through is that to a reporter, she says you wanted two more here. The next two hearings would be government witnesses, and I'll talk about that in a second, and appointees. And when I heard that, I really stood up straight because that would be another matter altogether. Now, what do I mean? what what is appointee mean in this context she's referring to people appointed by the president to high office president has the ability to appoint quite a few people including at the CIA

at the DOD a lot of and the Department of National Intelligence uh office of the director of national intelligence Homeland security things like that they have a lot of these not just the head people, but also there's some underlings or something that they have, they have a certain number of those that they appoint. So pointees means that some of those people will come to a hearing. Now, try to imagine an appointed person to say, the Department of Defense, could be an undersecretary sitting there and being asked questions under oath about this issue. That is a whole different thing. And keep in mind, when those appointees, whoever they are, sit down. there is this body of not only evidence, but also testimony from two previous hearings.

And then a kind of roundtable briefing that took place recently. That was on May 1, I think. Yes, it was May 1. That were seven people spoke. So they're sitting down in a very interesting situation. What do they do? I mean, they can say, I'm not aware of any of this. that's not a good look they could say well i really can't speak to that that's interesting that's

obviously going to get the public's in the press's attention or they could give relatively substantive answers uh now and so that's that's a big deal so the congress is fully engaged on this issue now it is along with hundreds of other issues but this issue is fully in play and the number one thing that has come from this. In case anybody didn't get it, is that the, at minimum, the matter of this phenomenon being real, which was brought up for decades and decades, you know, is not real. Or what the hell that meant. There's something in the sky. You see it. I mean, I don't know what it is, not identified, but it's obviously real. But that was the propaganda. That was kind of the truth embargo propaganda. It's not even real. So why are we looking at it?

out of why are we doing this? It's now obviously real. That is that is now a complete and total consensus. It's obviously real and we don't know what it is. Now they do know what it is, but that's where we're at and the Congress has helped make that happen. What you just said, I can, I'm just trying to imagine this and I want to get your your thoughts on what that would mean. If we heard one of the appointees, right, if we can imagine a world where Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence or John Ratcliffe, the CIA, director, Cash Patel from the FBI, any one of these, just as an example, if one of those people is called in to a hearing on UAPs and they agree to come and they say what you just said,

which is this is real and something's out there, but we're trying to figure that out. If one of them said that, what do you think that would do to this conversation and to the psyche of the American public to hear someone of those, of that? that stature, any of those three, to actually utter that sentence under oath in front of Congress? That would help, right? It would be an acknowledgement and it would be relatively safe. Obviously, previous testimony has gone much further. We have a number of witnesses, including several under oath. Let me see. Yeah. Under oath. Yeah. It made it clear that we have the crash vehicles and we have the bodies. And so this is a technologically advanced non-humans,

which is a big deal wherever they're from. All right. So that's already happened. So if they just go that far saying it's real, well, it's safe. And it would give them some latitude. But I'll tell you, the questions could get much tougher than that. And I am thinking, I'm just speculating now, of course. that the only reason that appointees would agree to come without you know, of course they could always be subpoenaed, but I don't expect that would happen. She's expressing and letting people know that she'd like to get appointee. She's kind of floating that idea. And so that's now been congen. You know, you're thinking about that now for some for a while. I forget it's been at least 10 days. Maybe she said that. So it's in play that the only that they would actually come and put themselves in that situation. would be that they were aware that the president was going to act,

that it was coming and this would be a way of preparing for it, kind of establishing more context. The platform for the president to step out and do this has now been constructed. I thought that platform would end up being constructed under the Senate efforts. But it turns out it's the House. It doesn't matter. Right. Right? So the platform is done. And so the president could step out tomorrow and say, yeah, I have talked with a number of my top appointees who have reviewed all of these recent testimonies and everything else has been going on. And I can confirm that we do have crash vehicles that were built, piloted or controlled by technologically advanced non-humans, which would be the kind of safe way of saying it as opposed to,

We've got ETs here. And that would be capital D disclosure. The term I came up with in the early aughts to try to provide a clear goal that we must achieve for this issue to advance. And it's a pretty clear goal. I'm told a head of state, preferably one of the nuclear nations, comes out and confirms this. The doors remain basically locked and we're still sort of spinning, right? The other side of this issue that confounds people, as I've said countless times, is a catch-22. The government has to establish a prepare for and establish a platform for disclosure.

Because if they don't, it could be absolutely chaotic and worse. Now, how can I convey that? Let's just imagine that none of this stuff happened. No hearings, no briefings, nothing. No Arrow, no UAP task force, just continuing the truth embargo, happy, everything is fine. And all of a sudden, Vladimir Putin holds a major press conference in the Kremlin and brings out some people to confirm that there is an extraterrestrial presence that Russia actually has some of these crash vehicles. And much more evidence will be forthcoming. Don't you worry.

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And so now disclosure has just happened. The entire world has just had the presence of ETs or technologically advanced non-humans confirmed to 8.3 billion people. Very quickly after that, other countries, particularly nuclear countries, have got to come forward because they all know, including the U.S. And so the U.S. is an impossible position. I mean, he can call Putin a liar, but then two other countries confirm it. And so we'll have to confirm it. And guess what? There's no legislation.

There's no arrow. There are no hearings. There's no nothing. And so the next day, the press are literally in every briefing room connected to anything regarding national security with 10,000 questions. And we don't have the answers. I mean, we will literally be caught with our pants down very badly. It would be disaster. And so they had to prepare.

They know it's coming. They know that the truth embargo is coming to an end. They've known that for some time. It's hanging in barely by a thread. And so they set about to prepare. And that meant briefing people on the hill to the point where they could get legislation and establish a legislative structure, which ultimately result in the UAP Disclosure Act, which will eventually be passed in full, right?

And then briefings and so forth. All of that needed to be done. and it was done. And they created an organization called the task force. They made it Arrow. And that is done. So we really have pretty much everything in place. And so now the president could come forward. But here is the catch 22. They couldn't tell us why. Why are they doing this? Why are members of Congress taking a briefing? Why are they putting legislation into the National Defense Authorization Act? Because folks and K. Shan, haven't figured it out, the government knows exactly what they are and has known exactly what they

are for 70 plus years. They have multiple crash vehicles, multiple bodies. They may even have contact with them in some form or fashion. They've been tracking them with our jets and intercepting them and taking gun camera footage of them forever. They probably have thousands of hours of footage, but certainly thousands of gun camera clips. They have departments. They have underground facilities. they know exactly what's going on, but they can't tell you. You see the dilemma? They can't come out and say, you know, a member of Congress can't come out and say, you know, I think we need to pass a witness protection bill or something to protect the people

that want to talk about this subject because the extraterrestrials are, you know, are here. And we need to do this. Or we need to establish a legislation or create error. Why do you need to create arrow? Because there's extestaterestrials here. and so we need to create an entity to deal with that. What? You can't do that.

You can't do it. So they literally have to go through this whole rigmarole, which has really been going on for seven years and seriously for three, three and a half, under the protects that we need to find out what this is. And so most of the people in the country who are not steeped in this issue don't read the books, don't see the docs, don't watch the podcast. They're going, oh, okay, great.

they're going to tell us what it is. They already know. And so that makes it very strange, doesn't it? Yeah, that's a great point because, you know, how much of the, I guess, the knowledge that the government must have that eventually you might come across the instance where Russia or China is just going to do this on their own, right? Where they're going to come out and say, so how much does that factor play into their own decision making when it comes to Arrow? the hearings, the task force. So it's an interesting point that's, you know, thinking about that factor is something that would push the U.S. along to make sure that they're the ones to do it because that has to be

a huge contributing factor, right? Steve, like that's definitely in the back of their mind. I hope so. I've been saying this, you know, going back to the very, just about the very first interview either did. Like they want to be first. They can't get caught. Like you said, pants down.

China, Russia, you know, Xi Jinping and Putin have come out together and they said this. Now what do we do? We look like the idiots. And we didn't say it first. So for 30 years, I've been saying this on nearly 2,000 interviews. And the message, I simply say it there, because if I call up the Pentagon and say I need to talk to an undersecretary about this, I'm not, I'm not getting that. You're going to hang up, right? So I've been saying, because for whatever reason, no other head of state have cut in line. And it, but it could happen. And the probability of it happened is growing with every, every day. And so the message I was given to the Pentagon, you do understand that unless you literally control the leader of China and the leader of Russia.

And before that, the leader of the Soviet Union, unless you literally control them, they're in your back pocket. They can do it at any time. You do understand that, don't you? But they have rolled the dice year after year after year. I mean, I understand why the prime minister of the U.K. is not going to do it. Or Canada, Australia, Germany, Japan. These are nations that have clearly deferred to the United States for logical reasons this particular action. And I get that.

No problem. In other words, it's ours if we want it. We're not going to cut in line. But I don't see that China particularly and Russia or the Soviet Union having the, that reservation. But the reason is best I can tell why they haven't done it is because for pretty much most of the last 70 years, China, Russia, Soviet Union were heavily ideological states, authoritative states, or lighter versions of that. And the problem that an authoritative state has is that the ability of the quote leader to rule is pretty much dependent on the public

following a pretty clear party line you call it right and sticking to the script and if you if you get off the script there are consequences and you just want to focus on the leader and or focus on the party's mission, and that's it. And so if once the world finds out that we're not alone, that we've got other civilizations, almost certainly from other stars, and that this whole universe is way more interesting than the ideology that they're subscribing to,

it's going to make it harder to keep them in line. It's going to make it harder for them to focus on that, you know, the great leader. And that's a threat, a terrible threat to them. And so I think that's the principal reason why they haven't done it. I can't think of any other, frankly, unless there is a agreement amongst them, these three major powers, China, Russia and the United States, that the United States will be the one that gets to go first for whatever reason. All right. But that's where we are right now.

And then they're at this point. the head of state it finally ends this embargo ends this lie and confirms to the world that we're not alone in this galaxy wherever that goes and whatever it leads to will go down in history as having done one of the most extraordinary political actions of all time it will be it will be talked about for thousands of years it's a it's the biggest paradigm shift in all of human history that leader they're going to to build statues to that person, whoever it is. It's that big a deal. And so, whatever reason, 13 presidents, 13 people who have held the office, chose not to accept that mantle. The 14th person to hold the office is currently in the office right now. Can do it anytime he wants.

The situation is prepared. The platform is built. He can step out anytime. He could do it tomorrow. and nobody is going to be shocked. Nobody is going, oh, I can't believe this. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Now, does he know that? I believe he does. There's indications that it's in play.

He's aware of it and could take action at any time. Now, there are other things going on right now that have got this president pretty intensely engaged. So, you know, it's made hold off. I was, you know, it's funny you say that because I was just thinking how likely, or do you think it's more likely that this becomes something maybe a year or two down the road or whatever it might be? But more specifically, Steve, say with Ukraine and Russia, right? Obviously, when we just talk about the D.C. landscape and what the president is working on currently, that's one of the big things that's in the news. Of course, trade deals and things of that nature.

So if you have, let's say, a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, we talk about Vladimir Putin, we talk about President Trump and how long it might take for him to have this come out, if they get a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, not a ceasefire, but a peace deal, before the end of the year, do you think that's something that makes it more likely for this to be okay to come out, where they say, okay, we got one of these big things out of the way, maybe we can, focus a little bit more on this. Does that make sense? I'm willing to go this far. That anything that helps calm the international situation down, I think makes it a little easier

to exercise this prerogative, which again will be earth shaking. It will be transforming. It will be a big deal. But I can make another case. On the opposite side, if you look at the problems we have, if you look at the incredible political division we're in now, right now, the hyper-politics and misbehavior in many countries, in many places, if you just look at the world, which is pretty much been this way for a long time, it's a mess. I could make a case that the head of state that comes forward and confirms the extraterrestrial presence is instituting a shift of enormous power that could very well help to mitigate some of these huge problems, make it easier to deal with them. Because in the aftermath of disclosure, many of these problems will seem kind of trivial, meaning what what are we doing in other words in order to get out of a situation you've got to you got to take action if you're in a hole stop digging and get a ladder or build a ladder right you've got to change something in order to get out of a pattern of behavior and the war between sovereign entities is virtually as old as modern civilization going back 10,000 years at least it's literally is what we do.

We're addicted to it. We can't stop. So I would make the case that it's far better to get this done as soon as possible. Whatever is going on in the world. And just to give you a simple example, I ought to put it this way. The Earth is a tiny speck of sand in this galaxy. Yeah. A tiny little speck of sand in a galaxy that may have had over the last several billion years, countless thousands, if not millions of civilizations. Taiwan is an atom or a molecule or whatever in that speck of sand. That's how important it is. And so in a post-disclosure world, does it make sense? to actually push things to the point where you have nuclear weapons being launched over that atom in that speck of sand called the Earth in this galaxy?

It's insane. Work it out. Do some negotiations. Find a way. It just changes the perspective. The triviality of whether that island is semi-independent or independent or fully, you know, under Chinese rule, it doesn't even measure on the same. scale of importance in the context of a galactic reality. And that's what we're about to be told about. And I can apply that to just about everything on this planet. We destroy, we commit mayhem

over the trivialous things, stupid stuff, bad attitudes, religious divisions, right, which is like, well, you know, you can have your religion and not going to have mine. Do we have to slaughter each other? Everything becomes small. And the most important things suddenly become bigger. What do I mean? If we want to be able to subsist and engage in what could be a multi-civilization situation, open contact with ETs and what could come from that, obviously we got to get our house in order. If we're having wars and killing off half our population through deprivation and there's all kinds of that going on, it's going to be a lot harder to really be able to be part of what's coming. Yeah. And so things could, so for that reason, it's in our best interest. This is the best why I can say it. It's hard to find the words because nothing like this, this magnitude has ever

happened before. And I think you make a good point though, because in two things come to mind. When it kind of, we talk about kind of like opening up the horizons, right? And like you said, it changes perspective. We've kind of put it down, you know, we're talking about a global scale. We put it down to a microscopic kind of scale when it comes to just your own personal life. Like, you think about it. anytime you've lost somebody close to you. And you realize, wow, you know, I was worried about this football game on Sunday. And now my, you know, my friend or my family member just passed away. I don't care about this football game anymore.

So perspectives change, you know. And to your point, too, President Reagan back in the 80s when he's talking to the U.N., you know, he has that famous speech that's brought up a lot in these conversations where he says, imagine, if you will, where, you know, we have some type of alien. invasion. How quickly would the world's differences go away? So it really is that kind of bigger picture. Something like that. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, thank you. I was summarized. I know that that's not a direct quote. So thank you. But just right, that overall picture of, you know, right, visitors from another planet, you know, how quickly would our differences kind of disappear? And it's true. So, you know, to have that bigger picture is something that I think would be a good byproduct of all this whenever it comes out. and however it comes out. Shopify is the commerce platform

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Some people say that free energy is involved with the alien tech. And maybe that's one reason why they don't want this to come out, or it's money or it's power or it's the fact that they would have to admit that they've been lying about it for 80 years. I mean, is it all the above or is one above the other as to a barrier to all this coming out? It's essentially all of the above, but it varies. In other words, if you say there's 10 reasons, as you go back to 47, some reasons were elevated, then maybe subsided, then other reasons are elevated later on. So it's varied over the time, but there's a number of reasons.

Right now, there are very few reasons, right? Right now, there just isn't much to, and part of that is the fact that it's now so out and happening that almost most of the reasons are sort of irrelevant. But overall, you can say this with some confidence, that if you're viewing what is the number one reason over these 78 years since Roswell, it is the nuclear race, the arms race, and the Cold War. It's just that simple.

If we don't launch into a nuclear arms race, very shortly after the war ends. And it becomes clear that there's going to be multiple nuclear nations. There's going to be both atom and hydrogen bombs. We knew that early on. There was going to be missiles to carry them. And that, you know, we had a real problem with China. China was not happy with us.

And Russia, Soviet Union, was not happy with us. And it wasn't hard to figure out that pretty soon you're going to have a bunch of nations that don't like each other with nuclear weapons. And you'd already been through two World War, so you know that World War was a thing. And so consequently, they made a decision, I think the core rationale, if they could all come back to life and tell us, was that confirming the extraterrestrial presence in 47 or 52 or 59 or 62, we had the Cuban Missile Crisis, it represented or it raised the possibility. of a lot of unknown unknowns as Mr. Runfell is, Rumfeld is famous for. The unknown unknowns are the worst. In other words, you don't even know something is unknown.

In other words, there's something that you need to know and you don't know, but you know that you don't know. Unknown unknowns means it's who knows. It's absolutely a crapshoot. You have no idea. And so you end the embargo. The entire world knows about this. the nuclear weapons are still on launch ready, right? There's still plenty of hatred, plenty of problems, plenty of genocides going on.

And in the post-disclosure world, maybe it goes bad. Maybe the result is that it sets off a set of circumstances that leads to nuclear war, right? And that would be bad for your resume, right? You go in for a new job a few years later. So what happened in your last job? Well, if we basically did something that caused a nuclear war killed half the human race. I don't think we'll hire you. So that is the fundamental reason that they kept it all this time.

And if you look at history, what you find is that from 47, when Truman makes the first decision, turn that around, make it weather balloons, because we're not ready to deal with this. As they contemplated it over the next five years, as things were relatively going not too bad, then you had to fly over 52 over the Capitol, which was actually deliberate. It was designed to send a message to the United States. We're not going away, and we can go anywhere we want. It's nothing you can do about it, right? By then, they made the situation was, we have a national security issue with respect to nuclear weapons, so we cannot, until that's resolved, we cannot bring that out.

We're going to keep that. Plus, we have technology that we're working on. There could be an ET technology, weapons technology, weapons technology race going on so we can't get into the public on this and then what happens after 52 is the cold war gets worse and worse and worse every single year and so the rationale just gets strengthened as you go forward that's why by the mid 1980s there was nearly 80,000 nukes were in stockpiled and i don't know seven eight nations now there's nine nuclear nations 80 000 yeah it took a lot of time to get it down to where it is now which is about i don't know approximately 30 000

nukes, but more than enough to destroy ourselves and enough to send us back to the Stone Age. So the rationale was fundamentally connected to the nuclear arms race, which is why the shutting down of our nuclear weapons on a number of occasions, maybe as many six, seven, eight times, but two, we have multiple witnesses to. And the shutting down of Soviet nukes by these craft, hanging over the facility, shutting them down, which can't really be done. It's almost impossible to do it is incredibly significant. And we have the witnesses to those shutdowns. There are still a number of them still alive.

And three of those witnesses, Captain Salas, Captain Shindelli, Captain Jameson, who were firsthand witnesses to the shutting down of these weapons at Minot and Mountstrom, back in the 60s are going to be presenting an in panel at the contact in the desert conference May 29 to June 2. And they're going to be available. We're going to have some meetings and so forth. That's going to be an Indian Wells south of Palm Springs. Contact in the desert.org. These witnesses are going to be there. They're going to be on a panel. You're going to be able to talk to people. Now, these three witnesses have been presented to every single member of the, every office of every member of the House subcommittee, oversight subcommittee. The witness statements of these of these people have been presented. Actually, more than just this three, it's about 10 witness statements, have been prevented to every office of the Senate Intel Committee.

It's about 46 offices, hard copies and electronic copies. I did that as we were approaching the hearing. Yep. I was also, was part of a interview where Mace, Representative Mase, who conducted that last hearing, actually sat down for 20 minutes and interviewed Bob Salas. That's right. And he told her what he's been telling, you know, people for almost 30 years. Yeah. What happened, all right?

And she was impressed and she said she could see having those witnesses. Now, some things have happened since then. right, but it's very possible that these three men, and maybe some others, there's at least one security guard who was up top, not down in the silo, but up top, that actually saw the craft as it's hovering over the base as the missiles are being shut down. At Malmstrom? What now? That was at Mountstrom Air Force Base, where Bob Salas was, and this was somebody up top?

I think it was mine. Okay. I'm not going to mention the name right now, but it's out there. out there, but they've had a terrible time. There's much that more, I could go on and on about this. Sure. I invite everybody to read one of the most important books on the subject ever written. It's UFOs and nukes by Robert Hastings.

It is a manifesto. It is absolutely essential. Every member of Congress should read this book. So this is about as powerful as it gets, all right? And so if those nuclear shutdown witnesses actually get, finally, They never had a chance to testify under oath before any committee, but it'll certainly probably be the House Oversight subcommittee or the total oversight committee because she's indicated, Luna has indicated she wants a hearing to be in front of the entire committee. It's over. I mean, it's ballgame.

That is it. That's one of the reasons why the DOD has done everything it can to just shove these people aside so that they would not get that opportunity. When Captain Salas sat down with Representative Mace, the evening of the 13th after the hearing earlier that day, it was the first time that he has ever been able to talk directly to a member of Congress after trying to get this issue out there for 30 years. So these are the kinds of things that are happening behind the scene. And so one of my number one reasons for being PRG and doing my thing, and one of the reasons why anybody would support what I do, I am a nonprofit 501C3 and I never have enough money to do what I need to do, I assure you. But Paradigm Research Group.org got a donate button on the top and the bottom is to get those witnesses in front of a hearing under oath before they die. They are in their 80s, 83, 84, 85, and yet they're still coming to that conference. They're willing to come to Washington, D.C.

And there are many other witnesses out there, particularly the security guys, who, unlike Bob Salas, who was down in the bottom of the silo with the key that you can turn off the, turn the weapons and launch them, launch nuclear war, these are just young security guys, not officers. and they actually saw the crowd, but they have not come forward for several reasons. One, they weren't officers. They were younger. They had families, and they were threatened to the core. And after the event, many of them were sent immediately to Vietnam.

Wow. And so this is the kind of information that I'm hoping, Representative Burleson, representative Mace, Representative Luna, Representative Burchett and Comer, Groffman, will finally bring in and get this done, end this truth embargo. These are the witnesses that pretty much close the deal

because the connection between the extraterrestrial presence in the modern era starting in 47, two years after the bombs were dropped in Japan, and the ET presence is the single most important thing we need to come to know, understand, and be on the same page with worldwide. Every country with an understanding of that, every leader with an understanding of that, and then decide how are we going to go forward in this world? Are we going to change?

Or are we continued what we've been doing for 10,000 years? Which is build and destroy, build and destroy, build and destroy. Wipe out the environment if you can, wipe out as many enemies as you can. Are we going to change or not? That's what's at stake right now. I repeat it over and over different ways. But if I could sit down with any member of Congress and really discuss this, if I could sit down with a presidential aid or something,

this is exactly what I would tell them. This is what they have to hear. But right now, we're still in this catch-22 where a lot is happening with very members of Congress, and some mention from presidents, including the current president, his son did something profound, which is a major trigger

that I have to mention, because everybody should know this, is that Donald Trump Jr. has a podcast like you, and it's not a bad podcast. He's pretty good at it, and he's got quite a few subscribers. Are you surprised?

Of course not. And so five days before his father is inaugurated, he brings on Lewis, Alizondo and Ross Colthart to discuss UAPs and I think disclosure for an hour and a half. I mean, what is it going to take for people to get the picture here? Do you think that was such a lark that he decided, wouldn't it be cool to get into UFOs before my dad takes the oath? You think his father didn't know about this? I'm asking people to wake up.

I'm asking members of Congress to wake up and understand. disclosure must come from the head of state. If the United States is going to lead into the post-disclosure world, it's going to have to come from our head of state. And our head of state is Donald Trump. And therefore, he can be and probably will be the disclosure president. And that's going to change the world. And we're all going to benefit. And so put aside your political differences for a while, right?

Just kind of set them aside and just concentrate on this. Yeah. We want the president of the United States, which is the center of some of the most important issues in the world, the defender of the Western democracies and a major economic power that's still in dealing with serious trouble. Do we want our president to be the disclosure president? I do. And I think the more people understand what's going on, they will include. and feel free to send emails or text or whatever to the White House or to any members of the Senate Intel Committee, the House Oversight Committee. You can contact all of your members of Congress at the New Paradigm Institute.org.

They've got it all set up so you can send messages to them. Send them to the White House as well. I basically say, yeah, we want the president to be a disclosed president. Yeah. And I was going to say, actually, he's told me so that that's why I can say this, that Representative Burleson listens to this show, which is very flattering. I appreciate that he does. And so I wonder if you had the chance, if he's listening to this right now, what would you want to say to Representative Burleson, who of course is on the Transparency Task Force, one of the leading names in this, you know, UAP caucus? What would you want to say to him right now?

What I just said. The fact is, is that there's a number of people. in my immediate sphere that are dealing with the representative burleson and he is aware of me and he is aware that I want to talk with him and so I think that will happen I think he is a key player he is a moderate Republican which is helpful he's a very populous guy very nice very in well light I think on both sides of the aisle and so his interest in this subject, which is increasing with every day. I mean, initially he was somewhat skeptical.

He's sitting on the sideline watching, you know, the hearing with Birchett and, I mean, Groffman leading, and then the one with Mace. So that's, and so he attended that May one event that was put on by the UAP Disclosure Fund. And I handed him a cover page of the, that Bob Salas sent along with the, the witness statements, which are in his office. It just reminded him that, like, very much want to talk about the possibility. of them testify. But so yeah, no, there's already a connection there. I actually spoke once with Representative Burchett. And so, you know, but there's other people that I know that are talking

with them. They're getting a lot of outside interactions. Ron James has been all over the Capitol Hill. Right. And had a lot of meetings. As an activist, not really so much as a filmmaker. And he's made a lot of great relationships. Mufon is made a lot of. lot of inroads into the into Congress and has attended meetings has hired a lobbying firm and so forth so there's a lot going on yeah I'm trying to do what I can with what I have but the potential is there and the platform was was built by the House subcommittee history will reward them the Senate was was the the origin of all of the legislation initially and history will reward the Senate and everybody involved both parties

and the media has covered this thousands of articles have been written about all this process since 2008 17 and each year more and more 7000 articles linked on my website right now you can go read all 7000 So history will reward the media. All we have to do now is just finish what we started to do all the way back in the late 1940s, early 1950s, when a whole lot of people realized this was real and wanted to know the truth about it. We need to finish that. And this is the year to do it. 2025. We have the president able to do it right now.

And the kind of person who would be very difficult. called to dissuade assuming he wanted to do it. Other presidents, I think, may have considered it, but were talked out of it, meaning that it's not the right time, Mr. President, let us take care of it. This is not that kind of president. And so consequently, if he wants to do, he's going to do it. And I hope he wants to do it. Yeah.

So that's where we are. And I'll be, you know, I'll be talking about this at the contact in the desert. Danny Sheen will be there. The three nuclear shutdown witnesses will be there. We have 63 speakers. It's a big event. They're offering day passes. You don't have to buy the whole thing. You can drive over from the L.A. County, Orange County.

This is going to be a significant event, which I think the energy level is going to be extremely high. I'm very much involved in helping to put together, and I'm proud of that. And I'm sure it'll be worth being a part of it. Yeah. And actually, it was just about to end on that, Steve. I wanted to talk about on a lighter. note, we'll end on a little fluffy note, I suppose. And after, it's an important discussion, a heavy one, but a very important one, and I think

that we had here today. But with contact in the desert, we're both going to be there. I'm not as there as long as you. I'm only going to be there really a day or two on Saturday the 31st, mainly, but I'll be in town on Friday the 30th. So what can people look forward to? I mean, all the things that are going on from May 29th through June 2nd, and contact in the desert in Palm Springs coming up very soon.

It's a pack schedule. nine panels, including a Nukes panel and a disclosure panel. There's lectures and workshops. The overall number of people that are presenting in one form or another is 63. We'll have the intensive on Monday, as usual. There's going to be an awards banquet. A number of films are going to, several films are going to premiere. There's going to be other showings.

It will be like the previous contact in the deserts going back a number of years. It's, it's, it's, it's priced to reflect the fact that it's being held at a deluxe, practically four-star resort. It's a nice spot. It's Palm Springs. I mean, it's a Renaissance Esmeralda resort spa. And so it's like, it's a hell of a party. It's a, it's just, there's nothing like it.

There's no conference like it in this subject. Now, it's one of the largest in the world. It's not the largest. And it is definitely devoting, has been devoting more and more time to the, the disclosure issue. And there will be plenty of that there, but plenty of other things. And, you know, you're going to be getting into a lot of interesting areas. There's going to be two night watches, right? A sky watch with all the binoculars. And a very interesting fellow named Clarice Bledsoe is going to be doing an evening under the stars in which people are going to

join with him and they're going to go out and just, I guess, reflect on things and a little meditation and see what turns up. And things do turn up. If anybody hasn't noticed, I can't believe you haven't noticed that the amount of sightings has escalated off the charts. Huge, yeah.

There's been the biggest UFO flap in all of history, going back about a year, a little bit more than a year, primarily in the form of plasma balls, which is what I call them. Maybe there's something else, but, you know, glowing plasma balls.

balls. Almost certainly the same thing as the foo fighters of the 1940s. It followed the planes around over the war theaters. They're not craft. At least they don't have that physical shape. There's plenty of sightings of those. But these plasma balls have been all over the place, prime focusing very much on sensitive facilities, military bases, and so forth. Hundreds and hundreds of them going back a year being filmed thousands of times. That's going up. on the internet and the government can do nothing about it. And so they came up with a way to kind of try to convince people it was a drone swarm and call it a drone swarm to kind of cool it down. But it really was ridiculous. There were plenty of drones up there. There were our drones. We set

them up in order to be able to justify explaining this as a drone swarm as if we have the ability to maneuver around balls of plasma. Right. So that's the biggest UFO flap in history. So think about that. Why are they doing that? Why are the ETs giving us that light show over not only just in the United States, but also out of the country? And why are they putting it over nuclear, I mean, facilities, sensitive facilities and military bases? I can tell you why, because if they're over those bases, they have to be dealt with. They have to be acknowledged.

You can fly all the plasma balls you want over the Rocky Mountains and nobody gives us. a dam. Nobody's going to care. And if somebody reports it, so what? You fly him over Edwards and yeah. And so they force the government into an impossible position on this. It seems to me highly intentional and very effective. So if I'm right, the ETs, what are they doing? They're trying to get this done. I felt that way for a long time. I'm not the only one. The ETs want disclosure. They want us to announce their presence. And they've done a lot to help that along in the last year. the government has fought it and fought it and held back. But the combination of these kinds of things tied into the explosion of the internet,

social media and podcasting that has connected the entire world. So everybody in the planet can talk about UAPs with everybody else on the planet. And then, of course, video everything and then share the video on their social media. These things together, that the truth embargo exists now. is a miracle. Yeah, right. It's being shredded. It's it's ridiculous. And so the longer that our government or our president tries to pretend that no, no, it don't worry, it's nothing really there. It's not good. Nobody benefits from this. Yeah. So it's time to get this done and move on with human civilization, hopefully in different directions. That's what's at stake here. That's what the

president has in the palm of his hand right now, he has more than enough bases to walk out in the eastern of the White House with or without press and simply confirm that everything we've been hearing is in fact true and we do have those vehicles and we do have those bodies. And I, as your president, is going to make sure that through the legislation and in an orderly way, you will eventually learn about all of it. that's disclosure capital d he is the disclosure president and he has just triggered the biggest paradigm shift in the history of our planet boy what a time that would be and hopefully we do see that soon i guess i guess we leave that there steve and hopefully we do get to see that and i would

if and when that happens come back on and we'll talk about it because i would love then we won't have to speculate anymore then we can actually react to that event actually happening that would be absolutely amazing day after disclosure, my phones and email is going to kind of get kind of intense. I'm welcoming that. I'm prepared to do every single interview I'm asked, right? And if I have to, you know,

take what do you call, uppers or something to keep awake, I look forward to that opportunity. It can't come soon enough. Yeah, I think we'll all be working pretty hard for those days afterward. That's for sure. Steve Bassett, thanks so much for doing this. I always love talking to you. I can talk to you for the

two, three hours, to be honest, but we'll save the rest for another time, I suppose. So Thanks for coming on here today. Appreciate it. Podcast on, my friend. At Santa Monica College, a world-class education is affordable. Just $46 a unit with free tuition for eligible first-time California students. Plus flexible online and on-campus classes close to home.

Summer starts June 22nd, SMC.edu. Thanks again to Steve Bastet for joining me here and for really having that in-depth discussion. I hope you enjoyed it. I really did. And I can't wait for you to hear Avi Loeb coming up next on UAP. That'll be out later on in the week. Before I head out to Palm Springs, you probably heard

Steve mentioned there at the end's contact in the desert. Still on the books for me, fingers crossed. My flight doesn't get canceled like last year because I was supposed to go last year and it's, well, it just wasn't in the cards. So hopefully things go according to plan this year and I can give you all the goodies. I have some really great interviews lined up actually at Contact in the Desert. It won't go into what those are, who they are, because just in case it doesn't happen. So as long as it happens, once it does, then I'll let you know,

hey, I got to speak to this person, that person, and I'll present all of that to you on UAP and also on social media. So make sure you follow along right there at UA Podcast 850 to get all the latest updates on Twitter and TikTok at UA Podcast 850, especially on Twitter. That's where I mostly am, and YouTube at UAP podcast right there on YouTube to get some of the videos that I put out as well. But if you are going to contact in the desert, hunt me down, say hello. And if you're not and you're considering it, then I hope to see you there. But otherwise, I can't wait to come back again soon right here on UAP. And hopefully as well, next week, like I said, I have to contact so I can give you all the great tidbits and information and meetings that hopefully are supposed to take place while I'm there.

So looking forward to all the good stuff. A lot of great stuff coming up here on UAP, especially like I said in the next episode on episode 135. with Avi Loeb. And we had, we really kind of hit the physics portion, obviously, since he's, you know, an astrophysicist. He's a scientist for goodness sake. It's one of the most brilliant minds in this field and in the field of science in general, you know, professor at Harvard, for God's sake. So he knows his stuff. So I can't wait to bring that interview to you as well. So we go in, like I said, the physics behind what might be involved with UFOs, the propulsions. we do talk about MH370.

I was really happy to get his perspective on that and the science and the physics behind the MH370 videos and the possibility of whether or not what we see there could be real just from a physics standpoint. So I do ask him about that. And I thought his answer was really quite interesting. It was a perspective I hadn't heard before. So a lot of great stuff with Avi Loeb coming up

and a lot of great stuff there with Stephen Bassett that I hope you enjoyed. So until next time, be sure to download the show wherever you get your podcast on Amazon, Apple, Spotify, all those great places, just search you AP. You'll find me, it'll come up there, so be sure you're following along, subscribing, and all those five-star ratings are very much appreciated as well if you can do that. But on that note, thank you all again for everything.

All the support, all the kind messages. It's awesome. It means the world to me, so thank you so much for that. It really does mean a lot. So until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here saying, be well. Thanks again. and we'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. So long for now.