UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 141 Exploring the Alien Perspective with Dean Alioto

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

What are the aliens and why are they coming here? These are just a couple of the questions that are explored as Dean Alioto, the Director of the new documentary, "The Alien Perspective part 2" joins Stephen Diener to discuss what he discovered during the course of his high profile interviews. This one is definitely going to make you think...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I don't know. Listen, wherever you get podcasts. All right, welcome back into UAP for episode 141. It is Stephen Deiner here. Back as always right here on the Unidentified Alien Podcast. And happy to be back with you for this new episode. And I was really happy that this guy here that you're about to hear from reached out to me and said, hey, how about we talk again?

I said, absolutely. I would love to. And you're going to hear from Dina Aliotto today. Filmmaker, documentarian, just really. cool guy all around and super knowledgeable when it comes to the UAP subject. So much so that he decided to dig into the UAP subject in his films. And it made this documentary called The Alien Perspective. And when I say he reached back out, that is because in case you forgot, I had Dean on

the show here for part one of his movie, The Alien Perspective, documentary actually, back at the beginning of the year. I think it was one of the first shows of 2025, actually, in early January. And when we were done, he said, hey, look, I'd love to come back on when part two is out. I said, absolutely. I love to have you back on. Let me know when it's out. And well, here we are.

He kept this word. He let me know. And I said, let's do it. So we were able to schedule this and get Dean Elliott all back on the show here to talk about the alien perspective part two. And what I love about this, and I think what you're going to like about it, too, is it really covers the entire gamut of the UFO discussion when it comes to the origins, right? Are they time travelers?

Are the extraterrestrials interdimensional? Are they us from the future? Are they this? Are they that? How do you explain reptilians? How do you explain the grays? Why do they... So it's all these different theories, right?

When it comes to like the simulation theory or, you know, are we experiments? It's all these different things that Dean explores in his film, in his documentary, and that we explore here as well. And we get into some time travel stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. Are some of these craft living organisms? I mean, we talk about that a little bit, and we talk about some of the great guests that he had on his documentary, like Dr. Michael Masters, and Leslie Keen, amongst many others. There's too many to name, and I'll let Dean do that as we start the conversation here in just a bit. But really, I just want you to be able to sit back and relax and take this all in.

It's really a thought-provoking conversation as it really just kind of evolves throughout. The conversation was breathing. It really just evolved in so many different ways that it was really. really happy with the way that this came out and all the topics that we got to cover here. So I think you're going to really enjoy that. And I'm a little funny story at the end about a TikTok video that I'm not sure Dean was expecting me to ask about. I didn't even know it existed quite honestly, but that was a lot of fun at the end. So I'll get to it here myself and Dean Aliotto, the filmmaker, director, producer, everything behind the alien perspective, parts one and two, which you can see now.

Enjoy the conversation right here. Well, this is great. actually six months in the making here. Happy to welcome back, Dean Aliotto from the captured pictures right back here on UAP. Dean, thanks so much for coming back on. Stephen, great to be back. Yes, and I kind of referenced the six months ago because back in the beginning of the year,

I was privileged to have you on to talk about the alien perspective part one. And it was just a fantastic job on that because, you know, as far as your history is a filmmaker, a documentary and kind of got to mix both into this, all the skill sets into the alien perspective. And there was so much that you captured in the interviews and in the research and the work that you put into the alien perspective that had to be split up into two parts.

And now here we are, six months later. We said we were going to do it. Part two came out and Part two is out. I'm happy to bring you back on to discuss all of that. I'm a man of my word, or at least I try to be, when it comes to UFOs anyway. That's right. Right now we can say that.

you are you if you've kept your words so I'm happy happy to have you back on um when it comes to all of this I have questions about part two what everybody can look forward to and things of that nature but I do want to touch on a couple of things that stood out to me in part one one of them if I can just kind of dive right into it was how you mentioned last time we spoke you had 15 interviews planning and they're doing 66 yes so I just want to when it comes to that and the process when you end up doing about 50 more interviews than you originally planned, how did that end up playing into the evolution of the alien perspective being two parts and, you know, being where you are now with this project completed? I think we can all squarely blame curiosity. Yeah. That's the,

that's the culprit, man. It's you do an interview with one person and, and they say, well, we don't really have the full answer on that. So I'm going to now pass a baton on to this person. And then you go and get that person and then they have a piece of the puzzle. And you realize that that's exactly what this is. It's a big puzzle. And so you start with the edges and you work your way in. And in the phenomenon that is, you know, UAPs, UFOs, you never have all the pieces to the puzzle. Right. So it's really, you know, I kind of feel like I've got still a little middle of the section. that I've got to put together. But the 66 interviews kind of represent 66 pieces to this puzzle that I thought only had 15.

And so that's kind of the best way to describe it where it would take my understanding of what I thought. I knew about the genre and say, A, no, you don't know anything. Humbles your ass. And then it says, but we're going to point you in a direction that's going to help add to the texture of this. And so that was gleaned. It's like sometimes you have to take away what you think you know. When that's all gone, then you have some clarity. And with all the documentaries, it became abundantly clear.

What stands the test of time? What does the Pepsi challenge and what doesn't? Yeah. And so before I get too far in the weeds, because I tend to do that sometimes, if you could, if someone said to you, oh, wow, the alien perspective, that's such an interesting. title. What would you say to them when they ask you the question, well, what's it about? And what can I expect from part two? How does it all connect? Sure. Well, again, working in the space that has had so many films done, some great films, some stuff that's just almost like

filler, you kind of look at that and you go, okay, well, I want to do something that isn't derivative because for me, first and foremost, I'm the guy that watches all this stuff. And And so I need to have something that is as close to a mic drop as you can get. But I'm also servicing the people who are by UFO curious. And I need to bring them along. So I think that when you look at it that way, you see a commonality in the main commonality in every other single documentary that's been made in this field on this subject, is they're all from the human's perspective.

So then it became, all right, well, what's the opposite of that? And again, working on so many crime shows, I had a chance to work with actual victims and perpetrators of crimes. And you can see it from the perps perspective. And that's done all the time in law enforcement. FBI has their own profiling department that just does that. So that's what I did. I basically pivoted over and went, okay, what would it be like, even as a hypothetical? What would that encompass?

And how do we need to shift our perspective to be able to be self-aware? And so that opened up a whole, you know, that allowed me to pull in people from Oxford, professors from Oxford and Harvard and all over who really wanted to munch on the subject and had their own theories about this. Yeah. So I was going to say once you got that, you know, kind of different perspective down, which is one of the things I loved about this, you know, this film originally, which is you giving that different perspective because it is such a unique idea. Once you had that nailed down, how did that evolve with the interview? I guess what did you find out? What kind of made you so curious where you kept going and you said, wow, you know, this person said that. So now I want to find out this about what the alien perspective might be.

Sure. Well, when you start out in the phenomenon, boy, there's there is this kind of journey that we all take, right? One is if that's real, this must be real. And then it becomes everything. And then pretty soon you're looking at, you know, giants and, you're looking at, you know, giants and you know, Peru or whatever. And it still comes down to what do we know, what have we seen, and testimonies of the most credible people. So for me, I always make a joke that I'm not an easy date. That's the nice way of saying that you're not going to get anything on the first date.

It's going to take a while before you build my trust. And so when I show something to audiences, is this is me being with that truth or that idea or that theory for at least six months and understanding it before I, you know, present it. And so, you know, I started out like everyone, which is they're from another planet. And then reading Jacques Valet and going, okay, well, another dimension, that seems more grounded, more feasible. And then you move on and you might end up with, you know, Dr. Michael Masters, that they're from the future. which we give kind of compelling evidence that that could be the case as well.

And it could be all the above. But I'm interested in things that are outside of what we think we know. Like, you know, are these craft, is there a chance of these crafts are intelligent? What if, you know, like when Fravor, Commander Fravor says that the Tick-Tac literally turned to him and he makes that lovely sound effect, I think someone did a supercutts. whoop, and turns and looks at him. He says it literally, it turned and looked at me. He didn't say the craft pivoted over.

No, it reacted to me and then started doing a counter move. So it sounds like there is an awareness, not just whoever's flying this thing, but the craft possibly itself. So that type of outside the box, you know, thinking of, you know, there's no fast and hard rules. So I think it's really important that we look at it, but then we say, okay, let's keep walking around and kick in the tires. And the thing about the UFO phenomenon is it doesn't have just four tires. You're kicking tires constantly every day. Right. It's like a giant's tractor trailer with like 18 wheels.

So it's yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot to it. So with that, Dean, you know, how do you think they look at us when it comes to extraterrestrials, whatever they might be, interdimensional? human, whatever we consider, you know, non-human or extraterrestrials, is it, because so many people have said, well, you know, it's part of a simulation, or they look at us like we look at zoo animals, or they look at us like we look at lab rats, or they look at us like, we look at children. I mean, there's all these different, you know, our own children. There's all these different theories about how we might be viewed from the alien perspective. What did you find to be the

compelling theory going through all this. And well, I mean, what do you personally subscribe to through all that? Man, it's tough. I was on a panel at contact in the desert where we were looking at underwater submersibles. And there was a gentleman next to me who started to throw down and say that he's pissed off that these creatures are coming here. And this is our planet and how dare are they and was getting trying to get people riled up and that we need to do something to combat them and everything and i just said hey there is a chance a very good chance that we are ants in an ant farm and we're yelling at the people who put us in the ant farm and saying how dare you come here and visit us this is our ant farm we own it and so it's it's there there's hubris uh that that

we have and so if i'm an alien and i'm coming here and i'm looking at us i'm thinking first of all, we're in nursery school, and that's being kind. That's being optimistic. We're nowhere near grad school. We're not even a type one species, as Carl Sagan broke down for us. It really is us, you know, I think the better way to look at this, and this is what has really helped me, is I look at this from us from the future. So if I put themselves, myself, in their position, I have to project out to us.

what are we going to do in maybe not a thousand years, but maybe 10,000, maybe 100,000, maybe a million years. You know, there were a billion years, a few billion years before we showed up. So there could be so advanced that, you know, when we look at us and we go, okay, how would we communicate with us? Well, sorry, I'm answering a whole bunch of different aspects of this. There's telepathy. There's everything else that they're more advanced, you know, just physically alone.

But I think that they would look at us and they would say, you guys are still bickering with each other. You're not agreeing on a certain focus of your species. That's a big problem. We can't even agree on certain principles. And then you look at everything that we come up with, every invention we come up with, we weaponize it. And so, you know, I was on, again, I was on this panel and someone said, well, I think that these beans are so advanced that they've, put in safeguards that keep them from doing certain things where they would weaponize

anti-gravity and all these other, you know, amazing inventions or demonstrations that they've shown to us. And I said, I think that they're mature enough that they're like adults who know not to stick their finger in the light socket. They know what's going to happen. They don't have to do that. And so it kind of comes down to us living as a hive mentality where we're all understanding that if someone is hurting, we're hurting. You know, it's the weakest link and the chain. And Dina Pesolka, who hosts Part 2, talks about that, where we really have to come together.

And once we do that, going to Mars and setting up on Mars, if that's your thing and that's what you want to do, that can be done within years. And, I mean, like a colony and everything, all that can be done. But we can't agree. I mean, you look at, the reason why we went to the moon.

You know, 1869, we're driving around horse buggy and torches. And then we go, you know, a hundred years later, we're on the moon. So we are capable of doing that. We are capable of getting to where these beings are sooner, much sooner than later. But we're still bickering about, you know, is that your chair or is that my chair? And so when I think about the UFO community, I think these guys, they're more in that mind. They're thinking globally. And so it's like, how do I get that out to other people and have them start thinking that in a way?

And that's actually how the documentaries came about, you know, my concern about us, mankind and the future and especially what we're doing, you know, to our planet. So I think they look at us and they go, oh, they're going through that phase, like the medieval phase or that, you know, whatever term they have for this phase that we're in. But we're not there yet. So we're not going to be sitting down at the table anytime soon, I think, in having that conversation. except for the experiencers who seem to be having that. Hey, guys. So before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us.

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which made national news, international news, I believe, actually, that aliens are humans from the future. What kind of case does he make for that? Because you said something that caught my ear, where you said there was some pretty compelling evidence or a compelling case that he made in part two that kind of points to that maybe being something to really consider. So what is that, what is that like? What should we expect? That's none of your business, Steve. That's proprietary information.

I thought we talked about this off camera. My bad. You want to go there? Okay, let's go there, man. I'll press you. So when I first met Michael Masters, he was hawk in his book. It was 2019 at International UFO Congress Convention. walked by his table a couple times before I said, hey, what are you, what are you hocking? And it goes,

uh, that they're from the future. And I go, all right, I've kind of heard that before. What's your, you know, spin on it? And I put him in front of the camera. And then he unpacked it for me. And I was just aghast. I'm like, okay, because, you know, there's the Akma's razor. And, um, you know, kind of litmus test where all things being said and done, it might be the simplest thing. And that actually seems like the simplest thing. Now, One is the fact that either bipedal like us, when I talked to Dr. Michio Kauku who hosts the first part one,

he says that life comes from water more than anything else. So they would probably look like, aliens would look like lobster people, right? And Masters is saying, no, right now what's going on is, you know, we're getting kind of low. We're reversing our population explosion. It's slowing down. And if it continues going and it trends out into the future,

we're not going to have enough gene pull. And so we're going to end up looking like the cast of the movie deliverance. And so that was enlightening that maybe if they are us and they're coming back and they're doing this, and it's a whole other conversation, the hybrid program, that would make sense that they would, you know, do that. But he's saying that basically they are taking advantage of what Einstein and others believed is completely possible. we will invent time travel. It is inevitable. That is going to happen. The only question is, when we invent it, are we relegated to only going back to that moment that we invented it? Or can we

go back beyond that? I believe we're going to be able to go back beyond that. And so if we can do that, we would be tourists. We would go back and visit us. We would take samples. We would do everything that's being done. So their behavior mirrors that of an advanced species. And of what we would do. And so, you know, we even talk about the, you know, most uncomfortable topic, which is anal probe. I said to Masters, I go, dude, what's the deal with that? That's just jacked up.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. And he says, well, we do that with animals. And I go in what way? And he says, we have a device that goes and that is taking the stool sample that keeps in its form. And so that would be what literally to break.

it down, that would be what they would be doing. They would be taking a device that would go in and grab it in the lower, you know, intestines, the bowels and be able to pull it out exactly how it would be and be able to, you know, do that. So he had an answer for everything. And so it kind of made me think that, all right, again, is it one thing or is it all the above? Because we haven't even talk about the mantis or anything like that. Right. Yeah. Right. No, and it's all great points. And I was going to say, I was just thinking that same thing, which is, you know, that could explain some of the things like with the Nordics or even the grays, right? I mean, if there's some type of advanced human might look different or evolve in a different way. But how the heck do, you know, reptilians or mantoids or anything like that?

Insectoids come about. Like, how does that happen? Well, that was a question that I brought up with Michael off camera when we were first talking. I said, you know, no one talks about reptilian hybrids, you know? I mean, if we're going to talk about the hybrid subject, which I get into my next documentary. But yeah, so when it comes to the reptilians and the mantis, it's kind of, God, dude, there's so many theories. And for me, I think as a sci-fi writer, because that's where I come from, you know, the first film I made, the McPherson tape was all sci-fi based on reality. And so when I look on, look at this, I go, okay, so are the reptilians?

in another dimension where reptiles continue going? Is there a version of 65 million years ago, the Jurassic era, that didn't get wiped out by the asteroids and continued in a parallel universe? And they evolved to be this. God, there's so much to munch on. And the mantis as well. I mean, the mantis, at first I was thinking, oh, maybe there is a subset of humans, or not humans,

but of insects that are going to survive and will evolve. and maybe all insects and stuff, maybe everything, chimpanzees and everything, maybe at the end of their existence, they evolve and they become an intelligent life form, as intelligent as we are. Wow. You're right. There's a lot to chew on and consider and discuss, which is why I love talking to you because there's just so much that we can hit on, and which is why I think everybody should see the alien perspective, because I know you talk about a lot of this stuff in both parts now. I thought about something when you were answering that and it pertains to the time travel aspect.

If this theory would be correct that it's time travelers or it's us from the future or some type of life form for the future, would that mean that the UFOs that people see would essentially be time machines then? Yeah, and that scenario. Again, I want to say that this isn't a film that's just looking at one theory.

We look at the simulation reality hypothesis, and we pull in Dr. Nick Bostrom from Oxford who created the concept that aliens have created us and that we're living maybe digitally inside a simulated reality. All these have to be considered, but the thing with masters that I find really interesting is it's not a far throw with a rock to hit this thing. So the crafts would be made out of material here.

So when I hear about people analyzing material, that supposedly is from, you know, non-human intelligence, I'm always gone, well, there's a really good chance of this comes from here. And so they're going to be disappointed if they want it to be some new metal, some new, you know, alloy or whatever when, you know, the core of most things would be from this planet. So it wouldn't be extraterrestrial. It could be terrestrial. You mentioned, well, it's really interesting. You mentioned Diana Posulka earlier and wanted to bring her back up because I really enjoy her work. She touches on a subject that I find extremely intriguing, which is the religious aspect and how that all kind of plays together with the UAP conversation.

how was that with her when you're talking about the Vatican? Now, I know the interview was done before Pope Leo was elected as the new Pope, and Pope Francis was still the Pope when you guys were talking, but still the Vatican as a whole, how does that discussion go when we talk about how the Vatican, how the church, how religion views this subject, and how it might help or hinder it? Well, that's the irony, right? Is that one of the first things that Diana Pesolka said was the Vatican has had a space program, an extraterrestrial program, for decades.

And at first I was like, what is, you know, break that down. What does that mean? And then she ended up saying basically they've had, you know, three or four telescopes, high-end telescopes. and not just in Italy, but all over, that they've been tracking the stars and they've been tracking all this. And that was mind-boggling to me. And she also talks about going into the Vatican Secret Library. And she was one of the first female academics to be able to do that. It was a big deal for her to go.

And the stuff that she gleaned that we talk about in part two was. Yeah, was eye-opening. And it really underscored that a lot of these experiences that people have had that are folded into religious experience might not be. I mean, just the idea of cherubs, you look at a cherub and you say, okay, is that not a human version of an alien, a short alien, big head like a child, big eyes, it's able to defy gravity. so we give it wings. I know some of this stuff has probably been covered on ancient aliens, but not anchored in like she does.

And so when I look at that, it makes sense that the Vatican would want to be the first people. You know, they'd want to be on the cutting edge. They don't want to be left out like all of a sudden, yes, we're not the only ones. How do we do this? In fact, they've made a concerted effort, almost like dripping it, slowly releasing it,

but they said, hey, if there are other, beings, you know, that God created other life forms, then they still hold with the tenets of God and coming from a creator. So it doesn't break any roles. You know, I thought that that was epic. I thought that was even more powerful than, you know, the Tic Tac footage, if you will. And so she's kind of on the cases and is going to be, you know, continuing to be on the case there. But I think that there are discussions that are going on with the Vatican's office and everything with regards to experiencers as well. And I'm keenly interested in that.

I mean, the percentage of people, even in the U.S. government, I mean, we're talking about elected officials who are experiencers that I've heard from very credible sources. Why wouldn't that be going in the Vatican as well? All the Cardinals. What if there are some of these Cardinals that are experiencing this? So that's a whole other, you know, thing. And we have to think, not so much.

Iopic. We have to, you know, macro, go macro on this. Oh, for sure. I mean, we can do two hours just on that. So it's a huge. When I'd really rather show my John Oates mug that Broden Minogue, a buddy, an Australian UFO researcher and funny guy sent me. That's fantastic. Here you go. Broden. Well, shout out to Brodin in the John Oates mug. That's fantastic. Good good stuff in there. Hopefully just coffee, Dean.

I mean, hopefully, I don't know. I mean, it's whatever it is, it's clear. It's eating proof. No, it is filtered water. Very nice. Okay. Only filtered. Very nice.

I mean, you could put something else in there. We probably may have a pretty good interview and get some real good juicy information out there. So it's. Oh, yeah. I'd become a real big whistleblower with that. Now, this is great. I love going over all this with you.

And I'm excited for everybody to see both parts. If they haven't seen part one and out of see part two, the alien perspective. What was the overall message when you started this? I know you talked about it a little bit earlier when you talked about, you know, what we're doing, how are we taking care of the planet and how are we going to afford it in the future? But just the overall tone, what were you trying to set when you went into this? And then that's set and done. Do you feel like you were able to do that? Are you happy with where you wanted to start and how it ended up? That's a good question.

Like you mentioned, in our previous conversation, it was intended to be one, yeah, one feature doc that I was going to do in nine months, 15 interviews. It became, yeah, it became a full, a full four volume collection. And so what I mean by that is it became the only perspective part one and part two. And then there were two other aspects of the phenomenon that were so heavy into those aspects of it. And one of them was a person that I needed to pull that out and to say, okay, we're going to spend time and let that breathe and let that become its bigger thing. And so all of it has surprised me, man. It took me like three or four months just to figure out the structure of this because, you know, most documentary. they'll either have a voiceover narration or maybe they'll, you know, sometimes it's a celebrity.

And then they'll do follow docs and, you know, it's people going traveling and doing all that stuff, which I dig as well. But for this, I wanted it to be very condensed. I wanted it to be where there would be pods where we would look at, you know, in part two, we talk about primarily where are they coming from. Actually, why are they coming here is the main focus? And so we look at the three reasons for that. You know, are they coming to study us?

Are they coming to help us? Are they coming to take over us? And are there other possibilities? And so it really, it became this thing that is informing me. I was talking to a fellow filmmaker, buddy of mine. And I said, you know, I feel like my job for the past seven years since I've been working on this is to really, really work hard to shut the hell up. And for me to run shotgun to these documentaries and to let them tell me what to do. And this is going to sound a little woo-woo, but I used to do a lot of meditation and go to meditation retreats and stuff.

And sometimes the energy, just by meditating, getting into the zone, if you will, it would make my eyelids flutter. and from like the energy. And every single time I sat down to edit these documentaries, my eyelids would flutter. My girlfriend would look at me across the room and go, oh, you're plugged in. And I've never experienced that in my work before. So I, you know, I keep wondering,

because I'm not an experiencer. I've never even seen a UFO. And so I talked to Yvonne Smith, who runs a support group for Experiencers, and she's in a little bit on this doc, but she's featured in the other doc. And I said, you know, what am I doing here? I feel like I'm being of service,

but seriously, what the hell am I doing here? Because I'm not an experiencer. And she laughed and said, Dean, they don't have to knock on your door to get to you or to inspire you. And so I'm still kind of wrestling with all this and what the purpose is. And I think when the other two documentaries

come out, then I'll be able to have a distance where I can look back and go, okay, what was that all about? But right now, I'm seeing things that I've not experienced before as far as a narrative in this space. And so that has kind of kept me going and to see where this ends up. And part two is a completion of that one section. And then there's two other sections. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because I took a couple notes in my first conversation six months ago and you spoke about those other two pieces which have to do with sisters who are experiencers, right? It's a pretty incredible story. Then there was somebody else that believed was it Max Carney or?

So, okay. So the next documentary that's coming out, we're literally finishing the opening credit sequence as we speak. That's called the Experiancers. And that is the, hopefully, the goal was to be the definitive documentary about experiences, at least to try to attain something close to that. And there is a story where these two sisters experienced something. And we captured the realization of what that is on camera. And it's insane. And so we also have, I mean, we go from Barney and Betty Hill to,

to Travis Walton. We've got Terry Lovelace. We've got Deb, Jordan Cable, from working with Bud Hopkins and in her experience and other experiences and stuff. And then also we're allowed to go and film at an experiencer support group, which is one of the first times that's ever been done.

Wow. And so again, you build trust. I had to go many times to the group and to talk to them. about what I was doing and, you know, get that trust where I felt like what's the best way to portray that as well. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie.

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And we get even more high strangeness, right? But we also, there's a UFO guru who was slinging, you know, all these theories and stuff. And we've got photographic evidence that none of that is true. And without giving it away. And so we literally, I mean, I have no problem calling out my own stuff. I mean, my own background was I made this, you know, the first found footage movie 10 years before Blur Witch. That's right. That was believed to be real.

And I literally had to go on national TV to debunk my own film because it's about the UFO, you know, community abductions and stuff. I don't want people to have that on their plate. So I think it's really important that what we have there, separate from things that are just entertaining and fun. okay, that's, you know, the moon's made out of cheese, whatever. If it comes to like what people really want to know and seek answers, then it's, you know, our job as, you know, journalist, if you will, to document what we see. And that was something that came up with this photographic evidence where it's like,

okay, end the story, this has to come out. That's it. And that's a cautionary tale, you know. That's interesting. I was actually going to ask you about Jim Penniston, because I remember talking about him, of course, Randall Swim Forest incident from 1980, 1981.

1980, day after Christmas, it's a well-known story, and he was there with John Burroughs, and they have this incredible incident with, you know, up close encounter with UFO, and even their sergeant saw it later on as well.

All that said, what do we learn that's new from Jim Penniston? I don't know without giving too much away, but I had to, I just got to ask, because I know he's in part one, and then you continue with him in part two. So what really kind of blew you away when it came to what he was saying?

Well, it's interesting because I left in a candid reaction comments that he made about Rendlesham that he's never made before. It got a lot of laughs at contact in the desert. He throws down pretty hard, let's say. Yeah. And so in this one, we talk about, there's a section that we talk about downloads. And for me, that, you know, I'm kind of at a place right now where so much footage that we see is tainted with AI, that unless they, and I make the joke, that unless they drop an alien craft tailpipe at the next congressional hearing, I don't care.

I don't care anymore about the nuts and bolts. I really care about who is the intelligence. What is the intelligence behind these crafts? And the experiencers are the ones that have that key, have more information than anyone. And they haven't had a sea at the table, which is ridiculous. Karin and Will Boucher and I have talked about that, that it's time. And so I'm excited about the next doc because that goes into that. But make no doubt about it, James Penniston is an experiencer of the highest, you know, order.

And what they do and what he talks about, there are some things that he hasn't gotten into before. But there is something going on that has happened with humanity where at certain times of great technology advancement. And I know this sounds like conspiracy, you know, crap, but it isn't. where people in certain programs, space programs and stuff, have said that the technology that I was able to come up with came to me by these beings. And we cover that. And it's not just our country that's doing that.

And that sounds like an agenda. So it's not kind of, you know, the prime directive of Star Trek. We're not going to mingle, even though every episode is there mingling and Kirk is hooking up with some green alien, hot green alien. They do. They are doing something. They're doing some modification, some nudging. And so what's really confusing for all of us is like, okay, you're willing to do that. But what about technology to wipe out cancer or what we're doing to our planet? And the only thing that I say to that is, no, this is a test, guys. Wake up. This is a test for mankind. We have to clean up our own bedroom, you know, our own mess. We can't

the parents come in and do it because guess what's going to happen? We're going to mess it up all over again. So we have to do that. We have to be responsible for that. So in a way, the idea that they would come and they would say, here's this new vacuum that's going to suck up everything. That's not the problem. That's systemic of everything else that we do. What we're doing to the oceans, which the coral and everything actually accounts for more oxygen than all of the rainforests in the world. And so it's just, we're being tested. With that in mind, And when we talk about, oh, actually, I want to ask you this first, when it comes to Jim Penniston, one of the parts that really fascinates me and has really intrigued me overall, one of the big pieces that actually got me into the UFO topic to begin with was Rendell Schim Forrest. And one of those pieces was the story about the download.

You brought up the, you know, how sometimes we get this information seemingly anyway. And that happens, right, supposedly to Jim Peniston, which. with the zeros and ones. Do you guys get into the zeros and ones? We do. Yeah, yeah. As you know, and he touched the craft, and they came through. And so some skeptics might say,

well, you know, we had binary code back then. And it's like, yeah, do you know who had that? Scientists, people who were sequestered away. It was not a known thing. Right. And so, so in 1980, it was still this thing. thing that was was relegated to a high level separate from from that and then also it's the fact that he dictated all of this and he did it that night and so it's all been dictated all of that and then

what the translation was it wasn't this incoherent thing it was pretty specific yeah yeah exactly with you know planetary advancement and humankind and all these it was yeah it was very um it was It was very specific message. Like you said, it wasn't just a rambling thing. It wasn't a random, you know, words here and there. It was an actual, you know, complete thought. Yeah. And then he offers his opinion looking back on this many years later of what he thinks it is.

And, um, and so it's, you know, we, we get information. And then it kind of takes a while to interpret that communication. Like as an example, the two messaging that the aliens have been saying for decades that have been reported, let's say. Your technology isn't helping you and you're screwing up your planet. And everyone, I think, thought the technology was that we were talking about nuclear missiles, right? And it might be. I'm sure it is a part of that.

But what if it's not? What if it's the smartphone? You know, what if it's everything that we're doing with AI? Who knows? But, you know, there's a reason why they're here during this period, you know, and I'm sure they've been here before, but just think about it. If they showed up and did that messaging, you know, 200 years ago, it'd be like your technology is not helping. And they'd be like, what, the printing press? The printing press? That's bad. We should shut that down. Oh, no,

because that was the biggest technology, really, that they had. It's fair. And just in general, when it comes to movie making, documentaries or films, because, you know, big in the news in the past 24, 48 hours is the news that Steven Spielberg's new movie centering around the UFO topic. I think Coleman Domingo is in a couple of other big names. That that's coming out next. Emily Blunt. Yes, Emily Blunt. She's great.

And so was Coleman Domingo. I really enjoy his work too. So, you know, Stephen Spielberg, another one to add under his belt along with, you know, the close encounters in E. T and even War of the Worlds. how much does you think just in the filmmaking industry how much do you think film centering around the UFO topic moves the needle

is it and is it enough or is it just like a quick acceleration and then it slows down or do you think it's it's helping the cause well I'm part of a filmmaking cabal so I can't really talk too much about this I've got a a secret club ring and there's a handshake with it.

I can't really divulge. I want to, but. I don't want to get you in trouble, right? Please don't. Yeah. So what it is is that every time there's a topic, it seems to be following in this, it'll be documentaries.

We'll be talking about a certain thing. Like, let's talk about music documentaries. There was a whole flurry of documentaries, music documentaries that came out over the past, you know, a couple, few decades. And because of that, we started getting a whole bunch of music biopics, you know, from Elvis, two of those, Elvis to Johnny Cash, to the recent one, Bob Dylan, and now there's going to be Beatles. There's going to be four movies on the Beatles. So documentaries kind of lay out the structure of the dynamics, of a narrative, of the characters,

of everything and then Hollywood kind of takes that co-opset and makes it into movies. Now Spielberg again he's been doing this since the 70s. In fact he did it in 1964 when he made Watch the Skies his first you know 8mm Super 8 maybe it was 16 millimeter

movie so he's been at this a long time. Yeah. And so he's kind of an outlier. He's doing his own thing but I've been saying forever and I talked to Leslie Kane about this because there was development on one of her books that they were going to be doing a scripted, you know, version that. And Obama, um, right now, um, I forgot their company's name,

higher ground. Um, they're doing the Barney and Betty Hill story. That's right. That's right. Yes. For Netflix, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's all, um, it's all a precursor, again, from the interest. It starts with a public interest and documentaries and then it becomes feature. So I'm going to say that we're going to be seen a lot more of these, which is going to be really fun, that hopefully we, would be more grounded than they've been before, you know. And we've had a few like arrival was fantastic. Yeah. But, you know, there can be a better version, certainly of communion out there

if we were even to go back there. But I've got four feature sci-fi UFO-related films that I'm planning to do. Nice. I'm going to take a break from these documentaries. I don't know if I'll do another documentary after these four, to be honest, in this space unless something else comes along, there are things that I want to see played out that I was able to do with animation in my movies,

that I want to take and do that into feature films. So I know that I'm going to be moving in that. So I think what Spielberg's doing with this event, UFO movie, is kind of ringing the dinner bell. I think there's going to be a crap load more, and I'm very, very excited about that. Yeah, and it sounds like, and by the way, if you need any help,

as far as a cast goes, I'll just raise my hand in any of these films. There's a scene. I'm working with a character that just raises his hand, just like that. Look at that.

I'm a natural, Dean. I'm a natural. Yeah, you know, this is going to be an audition, did you? Look at that. Who knew? Hopefully I've nailed it. But it seems like

almost it's this cycle. And it kind of builds on itself. You have the public interest, which leads to the documentary, which leads to the movie, which leads to higher public interest. And it keeps snowballing on itself. Do I have that kind of right? Yeah, exactly. And then the thing is, when you open someone's mind, they start seeing things that they didn't see before. And an example of that is a buddy of mine, a fellow documentary filmmaker who would give me crap about, you know, doing UFO docs, dude.

You know, why are you doing this? And really, do you believe this, blah, blah, blah? And I hadn't talked to him for like six months. And they calls me out of the blue and says, hey, so I need to talk to you. I'm like, yeah, man, you're okay? And he goes, no, I'm not. Okay, unpack that. Well, I moved from my apartment to another apartment.

And at 4 a.m., I was out on my deck with my new roommate hanging. And we looked out there and we see this craft about 100 yards, 75 yards away from us, silently moving a metallic craft with a blue almost like flame beam around the circumference of it like from the from the middle to the back of it moving along silently slowly he said a it needed to be making noise and it didn't be it was so big without any propeller you know or propulsion to be moving like that didn't make sense and then it took off at the end with great acceleration. And so there were two things that happened for him.

One was, this sure not exist. And now I have to fold this into my life, not just that it shouldn't exist, but how do I interpret this? And John Matt calls it, you know, ontological shock. And he was jacked up. And it took him like weeks before he could reach out even to me, who is a friendly, you know, sympathizer in this. but he's still you know i hope i got a checking with him but it it is something that that i don't know

that that i think he wouldn't have thought about maybe if he hadn't known about what i was doing and other people were doing and didn't start to have some curiosity there now he's questioning everything i think that's the place to be in so i think that ultimately to you know to answer your question um i think it i think what it does is it uncork something yeah because continue to question and watch and investigate and question some more. I'll get you out on a couple more, Dean, and then it'll get you out of here because, you know, gosh, it's just flies by when we talk. And I always enjoy talking about this stuff. When you set out to make these things, I know, you know, just with some of the things that I've done here on UAP and you try to line things up and sometimes it's difficult and you reach out to people and things don't work out,

I'm curious in your process. There's always a moment where you swing for the fences, right? When it comes to who do you want to reach out to? Who do you want to get on camera? Who do you want to get a statement from? Who did you swing for the fences for and actually hit? And who did you strike out on where you said, dang it, it was worth a try?

Because you have a lot of great names in this. I mean, so I don't know who was left out because there was so many great names to begin with. All right, we'll start with who I got that I was really surprised I was able to get. Getting Dr. Michio Calcu, getting him, interviewing him, was a big thing because at the time he had never spoken on or in a UFO science doc. And this is more of a science doc as much as it's a UFO doc. Getting him, Leslie Kane, that was a great get. She was terrific. Dina Pasolka, that took a long time.

time, long time. Because what happens is you, you go to someone and you say, okay, like I'm talking my buddy James Fox and like, hey, you know, I want to get, you know, to this person. And like with Leslie Kane, I knew that Leslie Kane had, you know, helped him out producing on the phenomenon. And so he was one contact and then I had to have another contact and et cetera. And with Basalka was the same thing. Finally, it was Leslie Kane saying, no, no, no, Dean checks out. He's okay. you'll be fine that I was able to to get her. Getting the guy, the author of the simulated reality hypothesis, Nick Bostrom, that was insane.

Didn't think I was going to get him. Yeah. There's too many of them because there's so many interviews. The ones that I didn't get, there is only two. Yeah, I was going to say, because you had a lot. So I don't even know if you had any strikeouts, honestly. Yeah. And it turns out that it was okay that I didn't get them because the interviews that I had encompassed things that they had talked about or were doing next level stuff.

And so, you know, it would have been great to get like Jacques Valet. Okay. But, you know, Jacques, his appearance and what he said in the phenomenon was so all encompassing. You know, I'd like to think that would have been able to ask questions and stuff and get into areas that he doesn't normally do. like, you know, when I did Penniston, I got him to divulge things that he hadn't done before because I brought him back to that time, literally. Like just taking him back and saying, okay, walk me through what it smelled, tasted, felt like. And I was going to do Avi Loeb. Okay.

But there was a kerfuffle with reps. let's say. And so that didn't work out. But I wanted him to kind of underscore something else that was being said with NASA. So it was kind of, you know, fine. If I really need to get someone, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'll camp out at their house. Right. And get them. But yeah, I think, I think I was able to get the people that I needed to get, you know, for that. The only one that I wish I really have is John Mack. I wish I met John Mack. You know, I'm bummed that he, you know, passed before I was able to, you know, get involved in doing these documentaries. That's kind of a heartbreak.

Occasionally I'll reach out to Will Bouchain. I'll go, dude, I'm so devastated. I have so many questions for him because it was such a great mind. But yeah, yeah. So those are the ones that, that I would say that, yeah, those are ones that come to mind. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, amazing work nonetheless. And I'll get you out of here on this. When you kind of dig in and you, you know, really start to get into the weeds of the work and formatting and structuring and plotting, who do you fall back on as far as maybe even music? It doesn't have to be movies.

Maybe it's something just whatever, something creative-wise that you fall back on, where you say, I want to try to take inspiration from this person in the way that they did this. There's only two people that I do that with. And one of them is a group, a musical group. And that's the Beatles. For me, what they did is basically change music as we know it. Yeah.

And I mentioned music on purpose, by the way, because that's, I end up falling back more on music myself than I do sometimes. Right. Yeah. I mean, when it comes to when it comes to being able to quantify genius that I can take it in go, oh my God. I'm a little dyslexic. So I'm a very visual person. Painters seeing someone draw something that can replicate what they see. I can't do that. It's like an amazing gift and music. And so when I think about the Beatles and I've written I wrote a biopic about the Beatles that I almost got made. I went in the deep dive with these guys for a long time.

And I still don't understand how four lads from Liverpool, a small, you know, relatively small area and small neighborhood, all got together to do this. The work ethic and everything to stay together for 10 years. It's phenomenal. And so whenever I'm doing something, I ask myself, you know, how would the Beatles reinvent this? How would they take something like pet sounds and do Sergeant Pepper?

How would they bring it next level? So that to me is the benchmark. And so I always reflect on them. And then the other person is, you know, Spielberg. You know, Stanley Kubrick as well. But Spielberg, the way that he goes from, you know, Jaws, close encounters. And then you look at Schindler's List and the range is. It's just, it's insane.

And the things that he does that I won't, you know, bore you with, that's a whole other discussion, but just the way that he block actors, blocks actors, the stories and stuff and close encounters of the first kind, or third kind. I mean, are you kidding me? There's no bad guy in the movie. That's true.

We don't see anything to the aliens until the end of the movie. How do you do that? You know, that to me, there's so much to be learned from. And I'm constantly trying to do that. There was one script. I did four different versions. trying to capture that awe, that spiritual experience of his protagonist, Roy Neri. Yeah, so those are the ones that really shape me.

Whenever I'm doing a new project, I'm listening to Beatles music or I'm rewatching, you know, my favorite filmmaking masters. That's awesome. And by the way, if you ever want to do like a sidebar conversation on movies and music, I could go all day on that because I love it. So this is. Nice. But this has been great, and I always love talking about the subject with you, Dean,

and I'm glad we got to talk about the alien perspective, Part 2. So where can people find it, and how can they sit down comfortably to watch Part 1, if they haven't seen it, then Floor right into Part 2? Absolutely. So you can see Part 1 on Amazon and Apple, and part 2 is exclusively available on Apple. Nice. And I know that some people have said,

well, I don't have Apple. I don't have the Apple subscription. You don't have to have the Apple subscription. All you do is download the app. That's all you do. And then you can rent and buy the film directly there. But the player for Apple is really top-notch, the actual player of playing back the movie.

So I really like that. So part two is exclusively on Apple TV. Nice. Outstanding. And they want to follow along social media. I know you're on Instagram as well, right? I'm on Instagram under Dean Alliotto. I am on Facebook, Dean Alliotto, and also on TikTok, dare I say, under and Twitter, under my name.

I think TikTok also has captured pictures. So if you don't find it under Dean Alliotto, you'll find out in capture pictures, but I think both of them are related. Nice. So if anybody goes to your TikTok, are we seen any Dean Aliotto TikTok dances or how's that working? Yeah. I can't believe he brought it up. So, is that real? So Richard Dolan outed me. Okay. Yeah, well, there is something. Richard Dolan outed me. I shared with him a music video that I did with my girlfriend, Allie, to an Abbasan. It was during COVID, and we did this crazy video. And so, So Richard Dolan put her on his website. So now it's out there.

So if you want to see it, you can go to my YouTube channel, which is just my name, Dean Alligoto. And you can watch yours truly doing a performance to what is this song, SOS. Okay. I was going to say, it's not Dancing Queen, is it? It was something else. No, no, no, we wouldn't touch that one. But we did. we went we threw it down hard on sOS again it was during COVID we were bored as hell and it was like

all right we're doing a music video right now it's so we shot in a few hours and um i'm getting i'm getting better reviews on that than anything i've ever done before which is really chafing me but well i i think you'll make paul mccartney proud maybe he's watched it we don't know oh oh yeah no so that's that's funny i'm glad i brought it up so check out that you can check that on his youtube and of course the alien Perspective, Parts 1 and 2 out now on Apple, exclusively, like you said, for Part 2 and Amazon. You can check out Part 1 as well. Yeah, and you can also just go to Alien Perspectivemovie.com. Right. Alien Perspectivemovie.com. And it has all the links before you need to go to rent or buy all of these.

Perfect. I love it. Dean Aliotto, let's do this again sometime soon. This was great. Appreciate it. Always great. Stephen. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Thank you again to Dean for that. I got to go check out that. talk dance. That's pretty interesting. But in all seriousness, just fantastic. I love talking to Dean. He's a great guy. And I think we can look forward to some pretty cool stuff

in the future with him and I here on UAP. He'll definitely be back in the future with, I think, some pretty cool stuff to come up along the way. So I'll keep you updated on that as time goes on. But also speaking of keeping you updated on a couple things. Number one, what's to come next on UAP? Well, next week, I'm

finally going to be able to cover something that I've been itching to really cover in depth, and that is the Buga sphere in Colombia, as well as the tridactal NASCAR mummies. There's been a lot of talk about both of those. Now, the NASCAR mummies have been, you know, fascinating to me for probably over the past year or so. And I've talked about that a couple times, but there's been so much has happened since then that I really wanted to take a deep dive on that. And I think finally I'm going to be able to do that next week with a pretty cool guest who's had a front road seat to all of that as it's been happening. He's been documenting it along the way.

I know Dr. Stephen Greer was just down in Mexico City with Representative Eric Burleson. They were investigating the tridactal mummies. I mean, it's been pretty incredible stuff. Jesse Michaels spoke about it on Joe Rogan. So, I mean, the tridactal mummies, the NASCAR mummies, as they're called, have really got a lot of attention. lately. If you don't know what I'm talking about, if you haven't seen those, just type in NASCAR mummies on YouTube or tridactal beings. You'll see it. I mean, they're mummified aliens is really what they look like. There's no way around it. They look like mummified aliens with three

fingers, hence the tridactal term. So it's incredible stuff. It's really gained a lot of steam over the past. I would say month, even more so, since the past year. So I'm really looking forward to finally, I think, it looks like, really being able to dig into that next week with a special guest on both of those things, the Tridacto Mammies and the Buga sphere. A lot of controversy around that sphere that was flying through the skies of Columbia, crashed down, and it's been investigated, it's been studied. I know I mentioned it once previously on an episode, maybe about a month or so ago, and I was able to talk about it a little bit, but there's been a lot of studies into it since then.

Some people say it's the real deal. Others say this is stupid, it's fake, but I'm going to be able to look at it. look into that, like I said, with a special guest who's had a up-close look at these things and has had a front row seat in documenting the investigations into both of those subjects. So looking forward to that and can't wait to get it out to you. And I'll let you know who that guest is when the time comes as well. And the second thing to look forward to, in case you haven't seen it or haven't heard, I posted it everywhere over the past couple of days, but just to be thorough, is the trailer for UAP Investigates. So this is the thing. This is the project that I had

been talking about that I've been very vague about over the past few weeks. This is it. It's called UAP Investigates. It's a 10-episode season, a deep dive into the world of anomalous health incidences, AHA for short. It's all about people who have suffered anomalous health incidences, these injuries, these real documented medical conditions that are unexplained. And they have these things after coming into contact with alien,

Crafts or aliens themselves after abductions. They have implants. They have these injuries. They have these burns. They have these scars. They have these internal health issues that cannot be explained. And the only correlation is their contact with a craft or the being itself. So that's what I was really able to dig into here.

10 episodes, one season of a deep dive with interviews, with stories, with all new production and new music. I mean, I put a lot of effort into this, not to like pat myself on the back or anything, but it's the hardest I probably ever worked on one single subject. That part is definitely true. And I hope that comes across once I'm able to put out the first episode, which it looks like will hopefully be in the next few weeks.

I don't have a solid date yet on the release date, but that's why I wanted to put out the trailer now coming this summer. UAP Investigates featuring interviews from Lou Elizondo, Jason Sands, Jeff Nusatelli, Linda Thompson, who has an incredible abduction story. If you don't know her story, it's rarely spoken about. She doesn't talk about it too much, but she is a big-time experiencer when it comes to alien abduction. And she was kind enough to join me for a very rare interview.

It doesn't do a lot of those. So you'll hear the extremely rare Linda Thompson story. You're going to hear from someone named Mr. Jay. He is a never heard from before extreme experiencer. That's the best way I can put it. It's unlike, and I'm not using this as hyperbole or to hype it up. I'm being 100% upfront with you right now, which I always try to be anyway. But I don't need to exaggerate it.

It is some of the most unbelievable firsthand accounts. It is actually the most unbelievable firsthand accounts I've ever heard in my entire life. Out of any story I've ever heard from anywhere or any show or any witness or any experiencer, this person, Mr. Jay, and that's the name that he chose to go by. He didn't want to reveal his true identity. He felt it was too risky. His voice is actually disguised in this series. We got together and he tells his story.

And that's something that you will hear through the course of UAP Investigates. Our old buddy Anthony Williams is involved in this. Nick Pope is a part of this. Bob Salas and his wife, Marilyn. It's incredible stuff. I can't wait for you to hear it. It's UAP Investigates. You can check out the trailer.

actually on the UAP podcast channel. So if you didn't see that, I released that yesterday. Or you can see the visual of it on YouTube at UA Podcast on YouTube, also at TikTok and Twitter at UA Podcast 850. The video for the trailer is up as well. So I hope you enjoy it. I hope you can look forward to it. I'm excited. I'm excited for you to hear it just because of all the work I've put into it.

And I'm pretty proud of the way that it's come out so far. So I will let you know exactly when that release date is once I have it. You'll be the first to know. Other than that, I think we're done here for today. So if you'd like to reach out to me, you can use those social media channels I just mentioned through TikTok or Twitter or YouTube. Or you can reach me directly through email S-Diener-U-A-P at gmail.com. That's S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at Gmail.com. Feel free to send me a message.

I will get back to you. Sometimes it takes me a little longer than I'd like, but I will get back to you. I promise no email or no message, whether it's social media or or or. or email goes ignored. I don't ignore anybody because I've been ignored in the past with emails. I think we all have no matter what type of situation. So I never want to put anybody through that feeling. I hate being ignored with emails and things like that.

So I will make sure to get back to you, even if it takes a little bit longer than I like. But that is all for now. I can't wait to come back again next week on a new episode of UAP. Until then, thank you all again for everything, for all the support, the kind messages, and for always coming back here to UAP means the world to me. So until next time, it is Stephen Deiner here saying, be well, thanks.

We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.