UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 151 Secrets of the Alaska Shootdown

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Military Intelligence insider, Anthony Williams rejoins the show after a long hiatus and does not disappoint as he reveals new details surrounding the shoot down of that unidentified object over Alaska in early 2023, and recent pilot sightings that could be classified as close encounters. All of this brand new information, right now...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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episode number 151 of the Unidentified Alien podcast. And back here today, I'm happy to present to you, Anthony Williams. He's coming back on the show. We've been planning on doing this for about a month or so, just trying to find the right time to bring him in and spend some time together, which we did for about an hour and a half,

which is why this is part one. one, it always usually ends up being that way. I thought about that. My Anthony Williams' conversations usually end up being parts one and two, which is fine because I think it works for him because I'd like to be able to split up the information when it comes to what he is presenting because it is so unique. And he's able to give us insight on so many different things that, quite frankly, we really don't get anywhere else, which is what you are going to get today with Anthony Williams,

because I found out when I was speaking to him and now you're going to find out that a video exists of the shootdown of the so-called the balloon over Alaska. Remember that? About a year or two ago, maybe about two years ago. It was a big deal when the Chinese spy balloon was coming over the country, and then all of a sudden these other objects started getting shot down. No one ever knew what it was. Was it recovered? Was it a UFO? Was it a balloon? Well, got kind of interesting.

Anthony's seen the video, and he's going to talk about that and about that operation that we've never heard before. So I don't want to give too much away, but it really had me scratch in my head like, wow, this stuff never got revealed. What is going on? So he's going to get into that. And some other unreported pilot sightings.

Again, stuff I never heard before. So I'm looking forward to you hearing all of that. Plus, we get into some of the things that have happened recently, like with Sean Duffy, the acting director of NASA, with his current comments, or I should say recent comments, about wanting the alien briefing. There's a lot in here in part one. and Anthony Williams touches on all of it.

Really looking forward to hearing it right now. So I'm going to keep this opening short. But I will say stick around for the end for the post credit scene, if you will, because I do want to update on something that happened over the weekend that I put out on Twitter about the date for the new UAP hearing. That's out there. And I was fortunate enough to get the word on that and break that news to everybody. So I want to give you a little backstory on that. What the date is, what we should expect.

the phone call, the information I received. So a lot of the backstory on what happened over the weekend there with the information that came across about the new UAP hearing. So we'll get into that and a recap of what you just heard here, some final thoughts all after this part one of the conversation with Anthony Williams. So enjoy that right now. Well, a lot of you have been asking, when is Anthony Williams going to come back on to UAP? The answer is right now. Anthony Williams joins us once again, the triumphant return of the one and only. Anthony Williams here on UAP. Anthony, thanks for coming back, buddy.

I've been looking forward to this. Yeah, Stephen, thanks for having me. I'm glad it worked out. I've been following this show, even though I haven't been on in a while. And, you know, it's been great stuff. So I'm excited to be back. No, thanks. I appreciate that.

And with the long hiatus, there comes many, many updates that I'm sure that you've been itching to get to. And, of course, I have questions here on my end just to get your input on kind of like the current day happenings and some other things going on in the background. But I'd love to just kind of throw it to you to kind of start off and give us your insight on some of maybe the recent sightings or reports that you've come across in your role in military intelligence. Yeah. No, I'd be happy to.

There's, you know, there's been so much going on. And, you know, I think a lot of people, you know, I think a lot of people, you know, you know, that follow this topic, you know, end up with a little bit of paralysis, you know, from analysis, not sure who to believe. And I think, you know, if you look at American politics right now, how there's this polarization, I feel like we're watching it get even worse, you know, around the UAP topic. So, you know, I've just kind of been, you know, head down, charging through, digging through, you know, everything I can.

And, you know, I found some really interesting stuff. just started jotting down notes and I didn't really realize until I went back and reviewed what I wrote down some really interesting correlations here. So I'm going to talk you through a couple incidences and I think what's interesting to note is one, you know, here's video of this stuff. It's not released. You know, and there's no reason why it can't be, but it's not out there yet. But, you know, I've seen it and seen the reports associated with it. And you know some of those stuff is out in the public but it hasn't you know there's there's some details missing and i just as it came together i thought it was really interesting so um i'll i'll just

jump in here with some of these that that kind of stood out so um on 27 january of this year uh you know over sitka and all three of these kind of tie together to um you know if you remember the the any spy balloon when that got shot down. And then there were two or three other shootdowns that no one really talked about. It kind of happened over Alaska and Canada. And we never really got any resolution on those. They all kind of tie together with that. So, you know, this one over Sitka, Alaska, generally in the same area.

I thought it was interesting. 27 Jan, a commercial aircraft spotted at 36,000 feet. a disc-shaped UAP shiny, mirrored shiny silver with a dome on top. It appeared from up underneath the aircraft, flew up over it, did not show on any of their radar systems or any of their T-CAS systems where they would identify, you know, other aircraft. And this thing was 60 feet in diameter. Massive. They followed it for, it generally followed it. They didn't, the commercial aircraft did not veer off of its flight path.

Right. But its flight path followed it for almost 30 minutes before it veered off and left. And it almost, the pilots commented how it almost felt like it was mirroring them, like it came up to look at them. Rather than, you know, them spotting it and maneuvering to look at them, it looked like it maneuvered to look at the aircraft and then took off. Wow. So they felt like this was actually under some type of intelligent control where it was trying to interact with them. Well, for sure. It came up from up underneath them, mirrored their altitude, stayed with them for a while, and then veered off and went on a different trajectory altogether. So definitely not wind. No, you know, no perceived flight control systems, engines, any of that. And I think it's interesting, the time lapse there, too.

You say it's like 30 minutes. This isn't like, you know, something floated by. We can say it was a Milar balloon at 36,000 feet. Like you had a 30-minute encounter. Yeah, it flew up to them, stayed with them, and then veered off and went on its way. And what's interesting is there's other reports over history, but this, you know, there's been a lot of reports lately of orbs and lights and all these different things. but this goes back to a more traditional, you know, saucer-shaped disc mirrored dome on top.

So I thought that was really interesting. You know, we've talked in the past different types of vehicles for different things. That one just really, that one really caught my eye. So then if we go back, let's go back to. Oh, real quick, quick. Yeah. On that one, this was the last question I had on that. Was that seen by any passengers?

or do we have video from that or is this just pilot reporting on what they saw? So reporting that made it from FAA reporting into intelligence reporting and there is photos and videos associated with that. From the pilots?

There are, I can't say where the video footage is from. Fair enough. There is, there is photograph and video evidence of that. Wow, okay. Yep. So, you know, That's in the same active area, but let's go back to the time of the shootdown.

So, you know, a lot of the claims, you know, the Chinese spy balloon, it splashes off the coast of South Carolina. They go down, they recover parts of it, you know, they look at it, pull it apart for intelligence purposes. But then the other two shootdowns after that in February of 2023, this was interesting because, you know, The report was, hey, shot them down. Don't know exactly what they were, but, you know, they drifted off in the middle of nowhere and we don't know where they are. That is not exactly accurate. There is footage of the shootdown. This happened at an altitude of 40,000 feet over northern Alaska again.

And this is the one that got shot down. no one knows what happened to it. There's footage of this. We've never heard of any footage or seen any footage of the shootdown. Yeah, there's a seven and a half minute video of the shootdown. Wow. And so, you know, F-22 comes on station, identifies it. What I felt was interesting was prior to the shoot-down, it's declared hostile.

So the pilots declare it hostile, maneuver in, take the shot, fly around to follow the debris. and confirmed the location of where the debris landed and then stayed on station for a little bit longer and then flew off, which I thought was really interesting because that's not the way I remember that story coming out in the public of, hey, it was another balloon. We don't know whose it was. And to be fair, in the video, you know, in most hostile shootdowns, our aircraft can stand off so far that you can't really make out, unless it's you know when you think of like top gun with a dog fight where you see the whole airplane you know and they're that close you know these these missiles can range you know a hundred miles so you know they're they're quite a ways off but it's it's declared hostile they fly up to it they follow the debris and then you know mark the location and then and then take off so um i found that interesting five days later there is uh the USS jack and spots a Tic Tac, Transmedium come up out of the water. Another TicTac instantaneously appears with it from out of the water.

So they form two ships, side by side, two Tic Tacs, and then instantaneously and synchronized, accelerate, and leave the area. And this is all reported and film. Another interesting, you know, when you're looking to answer those five, anomalous, you know, things to determine whether or not, oh, to your point, is it a mylar balloon? Is it birds on a radar? You know, there's a lot of things that people see that, quite frankly, we see that later we can, you know, an analyst can look at and say, oh, I know why you thought that this is what that is.

But this is another case where no one can explain how a tick-tag shape object comes up out of the water, hovers, another one meets up with it, and then they instantaneously accelerate and leave information and disappear from the area. So a couple of things on that real quick. Just on that, and then I'll backtrack, USS Jackson, this was off the coast of Alaska? Yes. Okay. No.

No, no, no. No, no, no. This is five days later. it's off the West Coast, but it's off the coast of California. Okay, okay. So West Coast. Then this is five days after the shootdown of the UAP or, I guess we can call it UAP, UFO. It's literally what it was over Alaska.

So five days after that. And it's seen it's caught on some type of surveillance footage. Obviously we can't say, but some type of surveillance footage that shows this Tick-TAC coming out from the ocean and then meeting up with another one and going off together. Are we under the impression that these somehow attached to themselves to make one craft? Has that been considered? No. Nope. They were separate. They just went up side by side information and then took off synchronized.

On the shootdown, you mentioned that the pilot declared it hostile before taking it down. Is that because that's just protocol? They wanted to shoot it down, so you have to declare it hostile in order to make it. make that that call or do we know about anything that led up to that declaration of of hostile? So, you know, before a shootdown, even in training, they're going to declare, you know, the target, you know, a hostile target, otherwise you wouldn't shoot it. Yeah. But because the video starts at a certain point, we don't really know what it interacted with

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I mean, what did you walk away? What was going through your mind when you actually watch that? because that hasn't been released anywhere. Well, going off of, you know, what the public speculation was and, you know, some of the pundit talking points, to me it was, well, they deliberately didn't want anyone to know that they know where it is. And my guess is they recovered it. You know, you wouldn't mark off the exact grid location of where it is if you were just going to

leave it alone. I mean, you would. You'd call it out, but you wouldn't just leave it. You wouldn't shoot something down. if it's worth spending you got to remember these planes are burning $150,000 of fuel an hour not to mention the cost

that they fight like you would not blow that kind of money to shoot something down that's worthy of being shot and then just say you know we'll just leave it out there you know to me that means whatever it was was recovered

and we weren't told that wow and so we do we still have any idea of what was recovered? Have you come across anything? I can't find anything on that. Wow. It's fascinating. So we have these, the one that we knew about over Alaska, but we didn't know five days

later that these two tic ticcats were seen off the coast of California. Right. So, yeah, I'll let you take it from there. It's just, it's unbelievable. Well, and then a month later, a coast guard ship spotted two tic tic Tacs, April at the end of April, April 24, spotted two Tic Tacs and IR Hot followed them with video similar to the two tick tax, you know, the previous month that the USS Jackson spotted. So just interesting that this is all happening in the, you know, relatively not so much over northern Alaska,

but off the coast of California there that these things are spotted, these Tic Tacs in, in formation. And again, just the the timing and how these are done. I know there's been a lot of speculation on whether or not, you know, the Tick-Tac from 2004 is actually Lockheed Martin's tech. And, you know, we can get into that later. But this is not behaving like any experimental aircraft, you know, that we would do. So that's just not how we test those things and do that.

going forward, you know, there's more orb sightings, you know, 10-minute video of, you know, Western Iraq, an orb. That's in June, 20 June of 25. You know, two fighter jets pass by, can't find it, or can't see it on radar, but then make visual with it, and, you know, it takes off, moving, initially moving slowly against the wind, but then once the jets come on station, it takes off and moves out. Wow.

And it was being monitored from a different platform watching it, and you can see the jets come on station and then this thing take off. So was this orb acting independently, or do you think something else was controlling it? Acting independently, I mean, something was controlling it, whether it's inside the orb or, you know, something else. But it, you know, it stayed in a slow, steady state of me. movement until the fighter jets came on station and then it instantaneously accelerated and moved out. Is this similar to what we saw in Mosul, with a video came out of the Mosul orb, or is this

a kind of a different looking one? No, very similar, very similar in size and shape and everything, so. I mean, these things are, I think what catches me, and I know you still have more there to get to, but I think what really kind of piques my interest here, Anthony, is that this stuff is still being seen a lot by our U.S. military and it's not being reported. I mean, there's so much noise. You mentioned that at the beginning of your statement. There's so much noise within the UAP community these days about this politician or that

politician or what this person says and what that influencer says, this host says, and vice versa. And I think we miss a lot of these things because, well, number one, they don't get reported. But number two, which is why I always appreciate what you're able to bring here to tell us that this stuff is going on. But also, number two, you don't have people. asking the questions right now about, hey, what else is going on? Like, there's got to be other stuff happening. And there is.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And, you know, the debates over, you know, who's the sciop or this guy's got a motive or this guy's a grifter, this guy's, none of that is helpful. You know, I think anyone that is presenting information that brings the topic, you know, to the, dining room table is of benefit. You know, whether, you know, I know there are very polarizing personalities, some more than others lately, it seems like. But, you know, anyone that's just raising awareness and bringing this topic out of the obscurity and bringing it to a dining room table, you know, I'm here to tell you at work,

it's, you know, five years ago, seven years ago, ten years ago, you're not bringing up anything about UAP or anything like that. Right. Today, today it's not a, it's not a taboo thing. There's very detailed and outlined reporting procedures. There's, you know, repositories to place reports and videos and, you know, testimonies and all the stuff, you know, whereas go back a decade and pilots would go to their grave with this for fear of being viewed as the kooky weird UFO guy and getting, getting pulled off

flight status. Oh, he believes in UFOs. Does he also believe in the tooth fairy and, you know, Santa Claus? What's going on here? You know, we got to re-evaluate this guy where now it's, okay, what did you see? Where was it? Describe it, you know? And so I just think when we have incidents like this that are taking place, you know, we should spend more time, in my opinion, at least for me. I want to spend more time looking in on the incidents that are still ongoing every day around the planet versus who's full of crap. You know, because quite frankly, unless you're that person, it's all speculation anyway. You can have your own gut feeling and opinion, but in opinion is just that, it's not fact.

I'd rather focus on the facts and that, you know, that tends to be what, what, you know, good analytical work does. It'll, you know, if I can't look at it, see it, measure it. And I know that's part of the frustration with the topic, too, when people, people and quite frankly me i come on and you know i share this information but you know i can't download you know a video and share it with you um but you know these are these are things and i know people have have trouble when someone tells a fantastic story and you and i've talked about it in the past it's the the burden of the witness you know they saw something it's real they have no evidence to back it up and there will be a bunch of people that don't believe it but

it doesn't change the fact that something happened to them or in front of them. And so, yeah, for me, I just, I'm not seeing a whole lot of value in debating, you know, someone's motives. I'd rather just, you know, except there are some people that I think are coming out right now that I just don't see any benefit of them sharing their story and they're sharing it anyway. To me, that's brave. and so that gets my interest. Regardless of what the UFO community writ large believes, I tend to look at that and say, this guy is going to keep hot coals on his lap or her lap for sharing this,

but they're doing it anyway. They get nothing from it. Like it's just, to me, that demands a little bit more credibility in my book. Yeah, well said. You know, you brought up the pilots, and I know you have other stuff to get to, so we'll do that. But I'm eager to hear about it. But I'm curious, you bring up the pilots who are making these reports. What is the reaction to these reports coming in from these pilots?

I mean, what are they saying afterward? What is the follow-up reporting like from their superiors? I mean, is that stigma still bothering pilots? Are they still hesitant to come forward? Or are they seeing a different response now from their higher-ups? So what's interesting. is, you know, a lot of these reports get filed. So that's how I'm able to see them.

But, you know, they'll say, you know, things at the, you know, in the end of the report like, you know, this, you know, this person's available for contact and, you know, follow-up questions or whatever. But there's never any reporting on the follow-up. So what's done with these afterward? I know the easy button right now is arrow. all going to Arrow and quite frankly from the people that I've heard that have talked to Arrow, I just don't know that anything is happening overtly with them that we're ever going to

know about. And if things are being looked at or investigated, it is, there's no follow-up reporting on these, which is interesting because there's any other topic, there's follow-up reporting. Yeah, right. That's pretty interesting. It's something to consider as to why there wouldn't be follow-up reporting. Maybe it's just because, like you said, they leave it in the hands of arrow. I'm not sure, but why don't you do that? Well, you know, I think there's a couple other things here. I just need to do a little bit more digging on a couple of them. There is one that I've found really interesting, and it's a little bit older, but I hadn't seen. seen it before. It was in May of 21. And Homeland Security footage was watching an A-10 whart hog flying over Davis-Motham Air Force Base. And it's under IR, you know, doing a training flight. And an orb showed up and started pursuing the A-10. Wow.

And pursued it for about a minute and then took off, changed direction, and disappears. No one knew what it was. No one, it happened so fast. There's no real assessment, but you can clearly see this orb show up, follow the A10. And I'm not even sure the A10 was aware that it was being followed. And then it changed directions and disappeared. Wow. So.

Yeah. It's just caught my eye because that's a different one. Yeah. I was going to say that that's different. We always hear about something seen in the aircraft pursue it, just like some of the, you know, details you were giving there on some of those. reports but this is the other way around this thing was actually pursuing the military aircraft yeah and it reminds me a little bit more of you know the first incident that we talked about with the commercial aircraft yeah you know

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So what is the traction like right now? What do you kind of seen when it comes to this discussion on the, military government side. Is that push still there or is it just kind of floating around and they'll get to it when they get to it? So the vibe I get and there may be, you know, other experts out there that disagree or have a different opinion, but the vibe I get right now is I feel like a lot has come out and maybe too much has come out too soon.

and it almost seems like we're getting afraid leadership seems very uneasy with this topic again. Not so much from the lower end observer that's reporting and filing this stuff, but up at the higher end where it went from briefings on how to report and these type of things to now it's almost to the point where, hey, we've probably talked about this more than we should have, more than we're comfortable with at this point. That's the sense I'm getting. And I feel like, you know, the general public wants way more whistleblowers. They want way more evidence, way more footage.

But I feel like what has come out has already pushed the envelope of comfortability farther than what government leadership is ready for, if that makes sense. Well, why do you think that is? What does the hesitancy continue to be when it comes to government leadership and saying, we need to pull back the reins a little bit on this? Why do you think they continue to have that thought process? Well, you've got really credentialed people making very strong statements, right? Higher credentialed than me by far.

You've got Dr. Lakatsky coming out and saying he's been authorized to say, we have a craft of unknown origin, we've been able to breach the hall. That's huge. You have David Grush under oath stating non-human intelligence entities that came along with some of these recovered craft, down recovery. You have Jake Barber. You have all these things coming out. And then you have Anna Polina Luna, Tim Burchett, Eric Burleson. you have all these government leaders that quite frankly the deep state has their own colleagues

within congress have tried to shut them down yeah um if there's nothing there if my kid wants to go outside in the yard and start looking for you know uh you know uh you know the tooth fairy he can go out there all he wants you know and let him burn off some energy because it's not out there he's never going to find it. So why would there be pushback against these people wasting their own time if they're wasting their own time? The reality is I think enough credible people have said it, you know, use disclosure with a lowercase D or a capital D. You know, I think there's been enough disclosure at a high enough level from credentialed people or you just show all your cards. and I think it's really uncomfortable for the latter.

So I see a stagnation from leadership. You even see a little bit of wavering from President Trump where, you know, there was a real sense that, hey, this guy, day one or two is dumping everything he knows on UAP to is he ever going to talk about it. And so I feel like we're, I feel like there's been a lot of information that came out and too many credentialed people talking beyond the level of comfortability for where we're at.

If there is a disclosure plan to slow roll this thing, I think it's sped up faster than people are comfortable with. That's the feeling I get. It's interesting to consider because when you look at it, and I think it makes sense when you look at some of the recent events, specifically the drone situation that took place was back in the news again because you just mentioned President Trump. He answered a question about this, again, pretty recently, saying that it was no threat. And then he kind of stopped himself from saying, I can't tell you about it.

And then went on to say something else. And so you actually, and I've related this story, and it stuck with me, I want to say maybe eight months ago, you and I were having a conversation off the air. And you had said to me then, and again, I've related the story multiple times, so that's why I'm okay with saying it again. You related to me on the phone call that of all the things you've seen and have been through, the fact that they wrote off the drone conversation as something that was authorized by the FAA and completely made up a story about it was the scariest thing you had seen in your career.

And that stuck with me. So I was going to say, do you still feel that way and why? A hundred percent. And, you know, we have to go back and put ourselves in that position when it was happening. So when it's happening, you have these, you know, first of all, UAP, later they were labeled drones, some of them, but you have them terrorizing the public for weeks, terrorizing. People in my circles who I know that have family up there are talking about shooting at these things, you know, like terrorizing the civilian population. And the FAA reporting at the time, we have no idea what these are, where they're coming from. Some of them are interfering with commercial air corridors.

They're over all these areas. And we have no answer for you. And so that's the FAA. And then the minute the administration comes in, one of the first press conferences, they come up and say, hey, by the way, the drones, all of that activity was FAA approved. You know, nothing to see here. Yeah. What activity?

What was FAA approved? Disrupting and interfering with civilian flight corridors? Disrupting civilian residential neighborhoods for weeks and weeks and weeks. Terrorizing the public, creating panic. of potentially Chinese adversary ships off the coast? Like, what did the FAA approve? Because they don't have the ability to approve any of that. Like, that's not in their purview.

So what are we talking about? And to just to shut it off that hard, especially when you have governors with all the resources they have, you remember, every governor is a commander in chief of their air and army national guards. They have their own little air force. They have their own fighters. jets, their own transports, their own radar stations, their own missiles, weapons systems.

They all have these things at their disposal. The governors with the use of their National Guard have no idea what they are. Their local airport FAA stations don't know what they are. The FAA writ large, governors are getting together, requesting that Congress do something, request that the president does something. You mean for weeks when the governors are freaking out, when the FAA doesn't, know what it is for weeks. Oh, we just forgot to hit send on the email where all this is above board. We forgot to tell the American people day one. You're going to see all these drones flying

over. Don't worry. It's blank. And we've approved it. So what did they approve? First of all, they never told us what they approved. We just know the effect that it had. They certainly did not tell any local state or local authorities or even federal authorities that were called in to investigate. And then all of a sudden, when the White House administration changes over, we got to make this go away. So we just say, oh, it was approved all along. It sure as heck wasn't. The FAA came out and said, we don't know what it is. The governors met with then President elect Trump, and three of them were talking about. They have no idea what it is. It's terrorizing them. We need answers. We need to find out what this is. They believe the military sensing systems

that defend our homeland had more information than what they were sharing. They were insistent that President Trump, and he himself said, hey, the Biden administration, the military knows what these are, where they're originating. I don't know why he's not saying it. Switch over, and then he's like, press secretary says, nope, all FAA approved. What part was approved?

It was the scariest thing I've ever heard. I was like, whoa, you're just going to terrorize a large swath of the United States. from Pennsylvania, Ohio, all the way over to New Jersey, down to Virginia, all the way. You're just going to terrorize. We had sightings over nuclear power plants here in North Carolina. It wasn't just New Jersey. It was all over. And you're not going to say, I think the farthest west, or farthest west I heard was Wisconsin.

And the farthest south I heard was North Carolina. They may have gone even further. But that's a large area unexplained. the governors are demanding answers. They need help. And we've got nothing for them. And to write it off in less than a two-minute sound bite. Yeah.

That is terrifying. Wow. I mean, you lay it all out there. It's really something. And we still don't really have an answer. In fact, Sean Duffy, the Transportation Secretary, and also now the acting head of NASA, has talked about before that. they really don't know.

So, I mean, you've had these contradictions within the administration. And with Sean Duffy, too, just recently, since he is the acting head of NASA, he just made some waves recently as well talking about how he wants the alien briefing and he hasn't got it yet. I mean, it's very, his comments are very reminiscent of, of the Admiral Wilson memo. Hey, I'm supposed to be the head of military intelligence. You have this thing going on. I'm supposed to have exquisite access to every program. and why don't I know about this?

Same thing. You know. That was a big deal, right? I mean, you have the acting head of NASA. I mean, he said, I need the alien briefing. He didn't say, I need this briefing if they exist. He said, I want the alien briefing. Maybe that he was just speaking at a turn.

Maybe, you know, you can look into it in what you want as far as context is concerned. But he said what he said. I mean, his sentence was, I haven't had the alien briefing yet. And we need to share what we can share with the American people. That was his quote, Anthony. I mean, how do we, how are we supposed to take that? Well, so, you know, so we have, you know, at work, we have all these different redons and everything. And, you know, there's a read on.

Some of these redons, no one knows anything about. Other readons, people generally know that there's a redon for it, but they don't know what's in the redone because they're not read on to it. So, so there have been times when I've been read onto a program that I generally was aware that the program existed. I didn't know the specifics. I didn't know the details. Then I got right on to it. Boom. Everything makes sense.

That's what he's saying. Hey, I need the alien brief. Okay. Like, he knows there's one. He knows that other people have the read on. Because we talk, when we have these meetings in government, it happens all the time. Hey, we're going to talk about something that falls into this SAP or this, you know, ACCM program or this read on.

If you're not cleared, you know, you've got to leave. And then they run everyone's name through. and they make sure that those people aren't in the room. So he knows of people that have the read on because they have the read on. And when they have conversations, like, oh, yeah, you don't have the read on. That's how he knows it's a thing because other people have said, yeah, there's a read on you got to get about that. And he's like, yeah, what am I getting that? Like, I need to be in these meetings.

Awesome stuff as always. That's part one right there from Anthony Williams. Part two coming out in a couple days. It will be this weekend, just a couple of days. So stay tuned for that. That'll be episode, 15. So make sure you are subscribed to UAP wherever you get your podcast and that way you don't miss anything. And follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850.

That way you can see all the updates there, especially on Twitter. That's where I spend a lot of the time. But when it comes to all that information, we've got to digest some of that from what we just heard. When it comes to the unreported pilot sightings of these UFOs flying by this passenger jet for like half an hour, he said there are videos but they can't be released. I was like, dang it, come on, I want to get some of these videos out there. That's the tough part. It's like we can get the information, but because of where these videos come from and how

they're recorded and how they're classified, we can't get them out there. And trust me, I know that's frustrating. I get frustrated by it, but it's also, I also understand. It's not like I'm angry about it. I just wish that, you know, we could get those out there. But maybe as hopefully things change and reporting requirements and, you know, things like that change, we can get some of this stuff out there in the future. That would be great. And anything that I can put out that I'm told about and given, I obviously will do that for you. But just some

incredible detail there and incredible accounts from Anthony Williams, especially also when it comes to that Alaska shootdown. Again, so much of that detail never heard before. We do get into more of that in part two, by the way. I do some follow-up questions when it comes to that. So I'll kind of keep that one open-ended for the moment. But really incredible to hear some of that detail for the first time that he was able to lay out, especially, you know, you're declaring it hostile. Again, you know, what went into that? But we, like I said, we touch on some of that in part two as well when I give him some follow-up questions. Also in part two, we get to the interstellar object. What is his take on that? Is it really coming to Earth? What is it? Oh, man, that's

been a wild story lately. And what's his take? I really wanted to ask him this, and I'm glad I got to fit it in before we ran out of time. What's his take on the whistleblower environment? Specifically speaking about the recent video that Michael Herrera had put out talking about how he doesn't think any more whistleblowers should come out for their own safety and their own benefit that it's not worth it for them to come out. I wanted to get his opinion on that and what he thought about the current environment and if he does think that they should or shouldn't come out. So that was a very interesting discussion as well just to get his perspective. A lot of great stuff in part two. Like I said, that'll be out in a couple of days.

But before we're done here, I did want to give the backstory. on the recent developments. If you weren't following along, if you missed that over the weekend, it was pretty wild. So first, a quick backstory. I got a call from a very good source in D.C. that had a conversation about everything going on,

kind of like the drama with Annapalina Luna, Lou Elizondo, how they've been going back and forth about, you know, that skiff that was canceled back in April. You know, they said it was the skiff flu, that whole thing. Just a lot of unnecessary drama. from what I've been told about that and a lot of misunderstandings that has turned into bad blood,

unfortunately. And I really hope that both sides can see that and kind of move on and get back on the same page because it's important for both sides to be on the same page and work together towards disclosure. That's the bottom line. You know, hopefully the drama can be put away in the end. But I was also told about the new details surrounding the new UAP hearing. And this happened on Saturday.

and I was shocked to learn that September 9th is going to be the date for the new UAP hearing. And I was, you know, of course, asked how much of this can I put out? And they said, yeah, go ahead, go, you can give the date and talk about the witnesses, which I also found out that it's planned to have four witnesses, one or two of which will be firsthand witnesses. And that's something that Eric Burleson has spoken about here on the show that he wanted and in other spots, he's made it very clear, very apparent in multiple interviews that he wants firsthand witnesses to be at the next UAP hearing.

He's, like I said, he said that a bunch of times because, you know, being part of the UAP task force and being part of this, you know, secrets task force where his, he was really tasked with trying to spearhead the UAP portion, his thing is, well, if we're going to have another hearing, let's get firsthand witnesses in there. worked on this stuff. People who have, you know, had actual encounters with it and can talk about the exotic technologies or beings that they've come across. And apparently we're going to get some semblance of that with firsthand witnesses, one or two of them, being part of this hearing, as I was told by my source. And again, on September 9th, open to the public. So I was given that

information on Saturday. I put that out to the world on Twitter. I put the video out there. I I guess I probably should have put it on TikTok and YouTube as well, but I need to do better with that. That said, that was out there, and I was happy to break that news to the world. And it was my pleasure and my privilege to do so. So now that it's out there, the question is, who will the witnesses be? That we don't know yet, quite frankly, I didn't ask. I didn't want to know. I think that information is way too sensitive to have, you know, a few weeks as I record this here today.

a few weeks before the actual hearing. I think that's too sensitive to even know about, let alone put out there. You definitely don't want anybody to get scared away or to get nervous about testifying if they're ready to testify. It's a very big deal to do that. So these are names, these are people that apparently we haven't had testified before. That's, I think, the only thing that we really know when it comes to this situation, this new scenario for the hearing on September 9th. but it's exciting I mean I can't wait to see how this plays out

so if I learn more information I'll get it out there but for right now that's where it's at that's kind of like the backstory of what happened where I got this call and was given this information happy to be trusted to be able to learn the information and put out what I can on social media and right here on the show on UAP

so it's my pleasure to do that to play even a small part in this process is really my honor quite honestly So that's what's going on. You know what I know. And as more happens, I will let you know, especially if more happens before Part 2 comes out on Thursday. So that will be coming out this week in just a couple of days.

So stay tuned for that one. But until then, continue to follow the show wherever you get your podcast. Just look for UAP. It's all right there in all the major podcasting platforms, Apple and Spotify, Amazon, all those great places. And, of course, like I mentioned, on social media at UAAP Podcast 850. you can follow along at UAP Podcast on YouTube and S-Deneru-A-P at gmail.com. If you'd like to send me a direct message through email, you can do that through that email,

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That was part one there with Anthony Williams and looking forward to getting part two the conclusion of this conversation out to you. Really good stuff. Always enjoyed talking to Anthony and bringing him or bringing all of his insight to you. So until then, thanks again for everything. It always means the world to me.

All the support and the kind words that you send my way. So thank you so much. So until next time, it is Stephen Deiner here saying be well. Thanks again. We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.