UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 153 The NASA Coverup Network

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

During this new original episode of UAP, Stephen Diener highlights some glaring coincidences that might point to a coverup network led by NASA and other government organizations. Has the truth already been laid out for us by these various officials, but it hasn't been noticed until now? And could this supposed network be responsible for the death of a young scientist? There's some surprising things to consider on this one...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Looking into what could be the multi-layered and maybe even multifaceted. NASA cover-up network is what I like to call it, and the possibilities that maybe officials there are the ones in charge of the alien secret. Is that the case? That question might have more than one answer, and it's a multi-layered question admittedly, but you might be shocked just how much leads back to NASA

once you hear all of the details here today. You know me when it comes to coincidences. Sometimes it just is too much to say that there's a coincidence. There's a lot of roads here that lead to NASA. What does it all mean? So we're going to discuss that here today. But before we get to that, since this is a good old-fashioned UAP episode, you know, that means we have a factoid. Here you go.

Ladies and gentlemen, the factoid. Always love to throw those in there when we can. And this one comes to us from a friend of the show, actually. Patrick Armstrong from the Vetted Podcast. Does a great job on YouTube and really made some headlines this week when it came to his work with his documentary he's putting together. Actually, it's something he mentioned on here months ago when it comes to a documentary he's working on about psionics. He was going to investigate all this himself when it comes to Skywatcher, when it comes to Jake Barber, what they're doing with trying to call out UFOs.

Kind of like what Michael Herrera spoke about here a couple of years back, where you're able to psionically connect to UFOs and summon them. Chris Bloodsoe, Stephen Greer, CE5 type stuff, right? And Patrick from Vetted wanted to investigate that on his own. So he went out and he's been doing a bunch of filming and he filmed with a couple of the guys from the Skywatcher team to see what type of action, if you will, he was able to get and what he was able to learn when it comes to the psionic connection to UFOs. And while he was out there, he was talking to somebody who says, a guy who goes

by the name Carl Crusher. I know it's not his real name, but that's kind of like his nickname. And during his show, he and Patrick were talking about what he's already been told about when it comes to Skywatcher and their work with NASA. So this actually kind of flowed. into what we're talking about here today with NASA. Ironically enough, this guy, Carl Crusher, who is on the Vetted podcast, had this to say to Patrick, and you'll hear Patrick's question first.

This is pretty interesting. How is Skywatcher going to catch something that they summon with Cyanics? They have already. They've already captured something? I know for a fact that, like, people from NASA and the military have already been there with them,

and I've had a landing. All right, there you go. So quite the claim there. People from NASA and the military. Carl Crusher there claiming that they have, and this is what he's been told, he hasn't seen it, but he was telling Patrick that he's been told that he knows for a fact that people from NASA and the military

have been there with the Skywatcher team to see a craft summoned and land in front of them. Again, a massive claim. It's been making a lot of, lot of waves this week on social media. And I just want to give a shout out to Patrick for the work he's been doing on that. You know, because he and I kind of had the same philosophy when it comes to, let's try to get as many details as we can, present it to you, and then let you make up your

own mind. And that's why I've always, I think, jived pretty well with Patrick and why he's been on the show a bunch of times. And he's been nice enough to have me on with him a couple of times as well. So really interesting stuff. And, you know, again, make it what you will. But if you believe the claims, that's. NASA has been out there with the Skywatcher team to watch Jake Barber and the Skywatcher team

summon these crafts sionically and bring them down, that's a pretty big deal to say the least. So something to consider absolutely. And on that note, as well with Skywatcher, ironically enough, there are a bunch of rumors concerning Skywatcher this week. And if we remember, of course where Skywalker came from, I mentioned the name Jake Barber a couple of times. we remember what happened with him. The helicopter pilot, you know, military veteran, when it came out with Ross Colthardt talking about the crash retrievals he had undergone, came out with the video that showed the purported egg-shaped UAP that he was recovering

and spoke about his own psionic experiences. And then came out with the Skywatcher company to basically go out there with his team to try to bring it on to summon craft and get everything on film. and one of his associates was a man named James Fowler. And there's been a bunch of rumors and reports that James Fowler has suddenly exited from Skywatcher. Now, admittedly, I don't know the details on this. So I'm really just reporting what's being said. And so there might be details of missing on this.

And I'm going to admit that right away. I'm not trying to spread rumors, even though I kind of am. I'm not doing it in a way of being malicious or anything like that. But these are the reports that are coming out that James Fowler, who was a partner with Jake Barber on the Skywatcher team, has suddenly left the team. And they have stopped field operations. So it's just interesting timing. And it makes you wonder what could be going on behind the scenes if we try to put two and two together. Or in this case, maybe a square peg into a round hole, which seems to be what it is sometimes when it comes to uphology.

So you might be shocked that I didn't talk about Taylor Swift's engagement for the factoid. But I am sorry that didn't make the cut. I sincerely apologize. I thought what Patrick was doing with Vetted and investigating the Skywatcher team probably fit a little bit more here for the show. But hey, congratulations, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. Other than that, I wonder what they think about NASA and UFOs. That would be interesting to see. I think she's actually kind of into it.

I've had people tell me before. Let's get Taylor Swift on UAP. How about that? Would you like to hear that? That would be interesting. An open invite to Taylor Swift. There you go. But as we begin, what better way to start talking about NASA in the meat of the show than to discuss a couple of astronauts?

And our first one is actually someone who we've spoken about before here on UAP, a man named Edgar Mitchell. And you might know the name. Edgar is famous, not only for his missions in space, which. you know, included just, you know, a little thing walking on the moon during the Apollo 14 mission, but also for his willingness and his openness, his candor, to discuss what he called the fact of non-human intelligence. He was very open about this. It was something that he really made his life's mission in his later years. And he made a lot of claims about this and did a lot of different interviews, but he was connected with some pretty interesting people who are working with

him on this mission for complete and total disclosure. This comes from a letter he had that was written for him on his behalf in 2014. I want to read this letter here that I thought was really interesting to look back on. It was something that was written to John Podesta. And if you remember if the name John Podesta might sound familiar to you. John Podesta was Bill Clinton's chief of staff during the Clinton administration. He was counsel for President Obama during his two terms. And he was also, this guy is connected, he was also the campaign manager. He was the head of the campaign for Hillary Clinton back in 2016.

But you also might remember him on the UFO state. because during the WikiLeaks situation that happened around 2015, 2016 in that area, we saw emails from John Podesta and Tom DeLong. Remember this? Where they were corresponding back and forth about and Tom DeLong asking questions, how can he get into the conversation with people in D.C.? And that really got the ball rolling. I mean, that's kind of like the genesis of the modern day disclosure movement,

was Tom DeLong's emails to John Podesta that got leaked during the WikiLeaks situation. Because from there, then you get Louis Lazzonda, you get Christopher Mellon, and you get ABCD, and so forth from that one scenario about 10 years ago or so. So this was something that John Podesta was interested in, clearly, given his past speaking with Tom DeLong and even speaking about it in different interviews, which kind of explains why they would have. this letter written to John Podesta because he was kind of the guy that was funneling all this in D.C. So this letter was written to John Podesta from a representative, a partner of Edgar Mitchell, the astronaut. And it starts off by requesting an interview, a meeting really in D.C. with John Podesta to discuss disclosure and zero point energy. That's the first line. of this letter. Then this letter is written by a woman named Terry Donovan Mansfield. She was the director

at a company called Quantrek ET, and she was there for the Peace Task Force. She was a science officer and founder of Quantrek ET, and she worked with Edgar Mitchell, and she wrote this letter on his behalf to John Podesta. And in this letter, the first line, requests a meeting with John Podesta in D.C. to discuss disclosure in zero point energy. Now, this was written by someone named Terry Donovan Mansfield, who on her letterhead here says that she was a Quantrek ETI Peace Task Force, and she was the director. And she worked with Edgar Mitchell, who went as the science officer and founder of Quantrek ETI, which stood for extraterrestrial intelligence. So they, she's the one Terry Donovan Mansfield who's writing this letter to John Podesta on behalf of Edgar Mitchell. And in the very first line, she's requesting this meeting with Podesta and Mitchell to discuss disclosure and zero point energy.

I mean, you get right to the point. She writes, John is aware of more than 20 countries, including the Vatican, have released top secret papers discussing extraterrestrial. incidents on earth over many years. The U.S. has not participated in disclosure yet. And again, it's very interesting to look back on this as this was written in October of 2014. So it's, you know, almost 11 years ago as we put out this episode. Pretty interesting to look back on, especially with that sentence. And she asked for the following people to attend the meeting.

This is interesting. A person named Dan Hill, a Catholic philanthropist, a person named Dr. Michael Mansfield, who sounds like probably her husband, I would make that assumption, a Catholic retired Air Force colonel, and then she included herself, Terry Mansfield, Catholic consultant replacing Dr. Rebecca Wright for Dr. Mitchell in this matter. So he was clearly going at a religious, spiritual, even a doctrinal point of view here when it came to disclosure. And so, you know, I've always found that interesting where how these two intersect. So to see that this was being spoken about in that way and presented in this way 11 years ago to John Podesta to try to have this meeting was pretty wild.

Now, as far as I know, as far as I know, this meeting never happened. But I could be wrong. I would be very interested to hear if it did and what came from it. But the reason I bring it up today is because I believe it still holds relevance given, you know, who this is coming from. from on behalf of an astronaut, a man who walked on the moon on Apollo 14 in Dr. Edgar Mitchell. And there's a few lines in here. She continues, by the way, speaking about the Vatican's role in disclosure and research into ETs. They really hit that point hard in the letter.

But they make the point here where when she says, we work with specific extraterrestrial intelligence from a contiguous universe. I mean, that's the sentence. We work with, essentially we work with aliens, is what she's writing in this letter to John Podesta. She says, they are nonviolent and in complete obedience to God. She continues by saying, our extraterrestrial intelligence connection to zero point energy is obvious in that their purpose is to guide Edgar's international quontech science team to apply their zero point energy research. for humanity. So, I mean, these are massive, massive claims.

Again, I would love to know, I'm connected, but I'm not that well connected, enough to know if this meeting took place in what was said. It's wild stuff that's in here talking about working with aliens and working with them to understand zero point energy and wanting to meet and discuss this in an official manner in D.C. So make of it. you will, but this letter was written 11 years ago sent to John Podesta on behalf of the astronaut, Dr. Edgar Mitchell. He wanted this out there. He believed it. So, was he, was he cuckoo? Was he crazy?

I don't know. Or was he privy to some information that, you know, all these things that we always speculate about? And he actually knew what was going on. And people just thought he was crazy. But he actually had the answers here. Maybe that's it. It's always up to you. But I found that to be very noteworthy to mention here today from that letter 11 years ago. That's wild stuff. I don't know if maybe that resurfaces again. Someone asks about, you know, the connections with Dr. Edgar Mitchell and any staff or former staff in D.C. and high-ranking officials, because those are some incredible claims that they put in that letter. Now, unfortunately, Edgar passed away in February of 2016.

And it was actually right here in my own area of West Palm Beach, ironically, but his work and his mission definitely live on. And it remains the loudest and most prominent voice to ever come out of NASA in support of disclosure. Though he's not the only one, which we'll get to. You're also going to hear more about zero point energy, interestingly enough, how this all connects. So we'll get to that.

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explain. Leroy is a veteran astronaut, and he says that multiple spheres came zooming overhead within 20 feet of his aircraft. You talk about a close call, within 20 feet. And that, I mean, really speaks to the flight safety concerns that someone like Ryan Graves has brought up in the past under oath. I mean, in front of Congress, Ryan Graves spoke about those things. And so many others have spoken out about that as well.

Now, Leroy had no idea what he saw, but he continued to describe what happened here during this TV news interview where he spoke about the experience. I was on an instrument flight plan, which means I was under positive control by air traffic control, and they will alert you if there's other air traffic near you. I had, you know, my airplane is equipped as all airplanes are required to be equipped with the FAA approved devices that allow you to basically see all the traffic in your area on a display like an iPad and nothing showed up there. And so it was a big mystery. A big mystery. And for reference, Leroy was a part of three or four space missions and he was actually a commander on the International Space Station during one of his missions.

that stretched from 2004 into 2005. And again, for more reference, over the course of his time as an astronaut, he spent the total of 229 days in space. So it's pretty safe to say, I think, that he knows a thing or two about flight mechanics and physics. So for him to say all of that and be confused enough about what he saw that day when he was flying, I mean, it really should speak volumes for someone like that with that amount of knowledge and that amount of experience to not know what they saw fly over them.

It's something to consider. But our next connection takes us to a supposed firsthand account, a shocking one really that took everybody off guard recently. It comes from a former NASA engineer, a man named Richard Bandurik. This is really, he's a very fascinating subject. and for what it's worth, he also worked for Lockheed, just putting it out there as far as his employment history. And he made some waves recently with his really like inexplicable openness to discuss the phenomenon, which left a lot of people like, my gosh, like you're here what this guy is saying.

Now, specifically, he spoke on the work that has been done by NASA, along with the Department of Energy and DARPA in regards to reverse engineering. of advanced craft. And Richard himself says that he has seen and worked on this particular craft, in multiple craft actually, he's worked on these on behalf of these government organizations that he named, as well as, and this is an interesting point, he mentioned that he's worked on them on behalf of other non-governmental organizations, NGOs. And that's an interesting thing to keep in mind, because if you're looking for

some way where these technologies, because we always say that, right, like how could these things be kept secret? Or, you know, where do these black projects come from? How do they stay off the books? One way to possibly answer that would be through these NGOs, these non-governmental organizations, because they're not subject to normal government oversight like a NASA would be or the Department of Energy. So when he brings up NGOs and the work that they were doing, the work that they would come to him with to investigate and try to reverse engineer different materials they would bring to him. It's absolutely something to consider that it might make sense.

And he made the following claims here during an interview with a woman named Dr. Anna Brady Estevez. And for her part, Dr. Estevez is the co-chair on the U.S. interagency space economy and advanced manufacturing working group. Imagine having that on a business card. My goodness gracious. And also, just to put it out there, Hal Putoff was also part of this conversation.

So a lot of big players during this conversation that was recorded as part of a podcast for Dr. Estevez. And here's some of what Bandurik had to say. This really is the portion that made headlines. And again, these are big claims that you're about to hear. about his first-hand work on ET materials. Now, the clip here itself is a little longer than something I would usually play. It's about a two-minute clip here.

But the reason why I kept it intact at about two minutes and change is because as listening back to it, I kind of made the call it felt better served to play it in its entirety altogether without breaking it up. So listen closely because there's a ton of gold nuggets in here to take in, and then we'll come in and kind of break it apart and break it down. Here's Richard Bandurik talking about his firsthand accounts on working on advanced craft. They were smart materials. Like one of the things is when these materials he'd be looking at them and you try to reverse engineer them, that they would turn to dust.

And then so they would do it within a minute or two. And then so you could take the dust and then send it off and get the isotropic analysis done on them. And they were extraterrestrial. But these materials, I mean, we're looking. looking at something that's hundreds of years ahead of us. When you look under a microscope or electron microscope, you're looking at something that's composed of very small particles that seem to be communicating with one another. So those are the things that I've been

involved in that we can talk about, but you know, I think that's one of the reasons why extraterrestrial materials are not really available to most people is because most of them are set to disintegrate if they get in the wrong hand. And esotropic analysis of the dust that's left behind tells you it's extraterrestrial, at least where it was manufactured. But so we're looking at materials that could reconfigure themselves. So there are almost of the smallest subunits. So the type of things I looked at were something as small as a sliver or metal that had would reconfigure itself depending on where it was. We'd cloak itself and it would try to blend into the environment.

So the ones that this one NGO used to get a hold of were the ones that were technically broken. I guess the ones that didn't really function very well. So then you could collect them every once in a while and they try to analyze them. You could do things like split them apart, and they would attempt to find each other or reconfigure. Some of the experiments they did was we took one of those and we put it on a very hot surface of about 3,000 degrees. And what it would do is to cool the surface around itself. And then when we took the device off and then weighted again, we would find that the mass would be reduced by a certain amount. Do these feel like programmed materials to you, Richard?

Yeah, they were, like I was saying, they're more intelligent materials. Like these subunits probably were pretty had computational functionality, right? Because they knew what their neighbors were all about, and they knew they could reprogram themselves to be something different, right? That they needed to change themselves. So these are really curious types of materials. So that's how we could kind of tell they were extraterrestrial, because these things weren't like decades ahead of us.

they were probably hundreds of years ahead of us. I'm just going to say this right now, and I don't know if this is the case. I'm just going to put this out there as is. I would love to see Richard Banderek testified at the next congressional hearing. I don't know if he has spoken to anybody in Congress. I don't know if he's in contact with anybody at the UAP Disclosure Fund. I have no idea where he stands as far as any contact with anybody in D.C. but if anyone is looking for someone to talk to,

either behind the scenes or in front of the cameras, this guy sounds like a good option to me. I'm just, that's just my take. Because as we break some of that down, and you look into his past, I mean, it's not like, I'll say this, it's not like he's making it up as far as where he's worked and what he's done.

I mean, his employment history is his employment history. Now, maybe he's embellishing things, or he's misremembering things or he was drunk, I don't know. If you wanted to try to, you know, downgrade any of his claims by all means. But if we look just on the surface at what he said and we want to take it at face value, we're talking about material that doesn't match anything that we know here on this planet. And even he said that. I'm saying it as, you know, a layman.

And he's saying it as someone who's in the seat, right? And what I got from it is that they almost, this material almost seems to be alive in a way. Maybe not biological, but almost in a way of like in artificial general intelligence. And AGI for short, AGI is something actually that China and the U.S. are trying actively to achieve. Now, in the public sphere, they have. haven't announced that AGI has been achieved. Who knows what happens behind the scenes.

But that's what it sounds like to me, an artificial general intelligence, essentially a living, breathing machine, one that can think on its own, make its own decisions, and learn and adapt, which I believe adapt is one of the words that Richard Banderec used. I could be way off on this. But when you talk about cooling the surface around it, right? when they put it on this something that was 3,000 degrees and it cooled the surface around it. That's something you would see in a movie. Or it dissolves into ash.

It reconfigures when it's cut. Again, you're talking about something that is able to build itself back up. So is this made up of some type of nanotechnology that's able to regenerate? Right. Is this some type of, you know, nanobots that are. put together in a finite way that makes it seem like one seamless thing. But if one part of it gets cut off, then the other nanobots can maybe regenerate it to bring it back about.

I'm just spitballing here. Again, on face value of what Richard Bandurik put out there. You're talking about it, you know, cloaking itself, like some type of camouflage. To me, I mean, we see this in nature, right? Again, making the point, making or maybe even making a campaign. case for some type of living entity, whether biological or artificial. But we see this in nature with chameleons or any other type of insect or a cheetah, a zebra. I mean, they are built to blend in to their environment.

I mean, there's a ton of examples. Lions, giraffs, they blend into their environments, especially with a chameleon. You know, how they can change colors. They'll look like a stick bug on a stick or a leaf on a leaf. mean, so this is something that is not unique, but rather it's something that we can actually say, we can compare it to something to other or to at least a biological entity or entities terrestrial-wise that do something similar. Maybe not cloaking.

We don't have things that will cloak, but we definitely have things that will blend in and seemingly disappear right in front of our eyes. So is that some type of defense mechanism that we're looking at? Again, from some type of living entity. It's really fascinating stuff. I mean, when I first heard this, I was just started thinking about all this. And I was excited to get to this. I'm not going to lie, I was actually really excited to get to this portion of the episode.

Not that I was rushing through anything else or didn't care about it. It all excites me to bring it to you here on this episode of UAP. But to talk about the possibility of a living conscious machine. a living tech rather than a naturally occurring biological entity, something like that, that is so far advanced from what we can make right now, and that our scientists and other, you know, biologists or whoever might be working on behind the scenes through NASA or through the Department of Energy or DARPA or non-governmental organizations that this stuff is happening and has been happening supposedly for decades.

It's, man, I think the thing where it dissolves into ash really gets me as well. Like, that's like a self-destruct mechanism. It's fascinating to say the least. And so again, depending on what you make of it from Richard Bend Eric there on his firsthand accounts, what he says are firsthand accounts, boy, that could really take you one way or the other in this conversation. And just my, again, just my suggestion, I would love to see someone like, like him testify under oath in front of Congress to what he just said if he's willing to do it and

if he's asked. I'm just putting it out there. But he also had this noteworthy quote to consider, and I'll throw this one out before we move on to our final subject. He said, we were looking at very little things that seem to deposit all over the world. He's talking about not only pieces of craft he worked on, but other little things that he's talking about that would deposit all over the world. He said they were probably, or I'm sorry, there were probably trillions.

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even before you land. Hawaii starts here. He also said, we assumed they were everywhere. The ones that would work, we would never be able to find because they would cloak themselves or reconfigure. And he said, not all of them are functional. So when we talk about how he mentions they all have some type of function to them, I couldn't help but to think that this connects to the conversation we had with Patrick Jackson, where he has that work on the sphere network.

He wrote the book on it. Literally, he has the book called The Sphere Network. And we spoke to him just a couple weeks ago. It was from a Twitter space. You remember that I had done with him on X, and I recorded that Twitter space and put it on here on the podcast as a way to tell you what this guy,

Patrick Jackson, was saying in his theories and really his findings in some cases when it comes to a possible Sphere Network and the functions that they have. He talked about levels 1, 2, and 3. 3 would be something like, you know, satellites orbiting Earth, something that receives the information. The level 2 would be something like the orbs that we see flying around,

like the Mosul orb, for instance. And the level 1 would be the little ones, which makes me think about what Richard Van Derrick says there about having possibly trillions of these little things deposited all over the world. Is that a connection to the sphere network? Does that all play in together? And does NASA know about it? It's, man, wild stuff here.

But it wasn't, me, look, this was a serious conversation that was taking place between high-level people. I mean, Dr. Anna Brady Estevez is a big deal, actually, within D.C. circles, as well as Hal Put-off. I mean, his resume speaks for itself. and then you have someone like Richard Bandurik who's worked all these different projects and they're all talking to each other like this was all matter of fact. So fascinating, interesting, intriguing, thought provoking all the above, I think to say the least on a lot of those claims that were put out there. And I mentioned Dr. Estevez having connections in D.C. Because she was at the recent congressional panel on UAPs from earlier this year. And while she was there, she mentioned that in her time in government, again,

So this part's coming from her. She said during her time of government that issues surrounding UAP were discussed openly among senior officials from NASA, Space Force, the Department of Energy, amongst others. And as part of her closing remarks that day at the congressional panel, she said, quote, it is not credible or viable to act like this isn't going on. So make you what you will. I think it's pretty incredible stuff which is why

again I was excited to get to this part of the story here today and present this to you in case you hadn't heard it or maybe you heard a little bit about it but now we get to kind of

really dive into it really really incredible stuff to consider and hopefully I mean I'm going to reach out to all these people I just mentioned with Dr. Estaviz

and Richard Bandurik I would love to speak with how putoff as well and get their thoughts in all these things because these are incredible claims with really, you know, world-altering implications, quite honestly. And on that note, that actually brings us to our last subject, I want to talk about a woman named Amy Eskridge. You may have heard of her before, but if not, this is someone that I have been meaning to talk about for a long time now.

Her death might be even more of a mystery than her actual work. We've finished today with the Amy Eskridge story. I'm in Huntsville, Alabama. We're the Rocket City. Von Braun was here and we won the space race. We developed the Saturn V here. We built the Saturn V here. We won the space race here in Alabama, whether you've heard of it or not. So that was Amy there during the final interview that she did before her passing a few years back.

And she was making it known about what she was doing in Huntsville, Alabama. She was actually the chairwoman of the Institute of Exotic Science. in Huntsville, Alabama. And you could probably hear that some of the frustration in her voice when she's making the history of Huntsville known. And she was highlighting that because of all of the work that was going on around her, not only from herself, but from fellow scientists and theoretical scientists and astronomers and everybody around her who were working on these different projects.

Now, some of those projects included anti-gravity technology. Amy herself was not shy in making it knowing that she was working on anti-gravidic technology. She would hold symposiums on it. She would teach classes about the history of anti-gravity technology breakthroughs going back 100 years ago, actually more than 100 years ago, even into the late 1800s. So these are things that she made known. She was not hiding the fact that this is something that she was trying to do. And as you will hear, she also detailed how those in charge, who those people are, well, we've been going over some of the possibilities here, and how those people suppress scientists like her and the experiments that they were working on and the technological breakthroughs that they would actually produce.

This is someone, like I said, at the start here of her story, that I've actually been waiting for the opportunity to discuss for a long time. I'm familiar with Amy's story. I've been fascinated and intrigued by it because of what she was working on and the mysterious circumstances that surround her untimely demise. It really makes you ask a few, maybe more than a few questions, quite frankly. And because of what she was working on, those questions still remain about her untimely death. And to continue, Amy was the daughter of a retired NASA engineer. and her father's name was Richard Eskridge. She also co-founded a company named HoloCron Engineering,

which according to their mission statement, was dedicated to gravity modification research and development. In short, she was researching and actively testing out zero point energy devices and anti-gravity tech. That's what she was doing. And it wasn't a secret. And in her final interview, before her mysterious death,

Amy completely went off on those who tried to suppress her work and others like her. She explained during this interview how scientists, just at her location alone in Huntsville, Alabama, would come up with all this new groundbreaking technology in the field of propulsion

and how their prototypes would always work when they tried them out, like right away. But she highlighted the fact that as soon as the power is to be, so to speak, got wind of it all, they would come in and squash the entire project. She explains further here on how those projects were actually physically destroyed. It goes to NASA divestment. It goes to the auction block. People bid on it. And literally scrap metal vendors win the bid and melt it down for scrap metal and sell it.

we could be crazy, crazy, crazy far. We could be on the moons of Jupiter. I can tell you the names of so many NASA scientists that are depressed and they want to kill themselves because they have built prototype after prototype after prototype in Huntsville, Alabama. First in the world, never before seen, worked the first time you turned it on exactly like you thought. It was canceled and melted down for scrap metal. I mean, just it's a crying shame. I mean, there's no other way to put it.

If what she's saying there was true a few years back when she did this interview, it wouldn't surprise me, quite frankly. I mean, if I just throw that in there. But there's a part of me that hopes it's not true, right? Because it's frustrating. It's sad. It really kind of makes your blood boil a little bit to think about how these experiments and technologies could really be out there like we've spoken about for years.

This isn't just within the past five years thing. We've been talking about this as a possibility for the past 100 years. And if this is what really has been going on, like so many people have said in different fields and different circumstances. And now in Amy Eskridge's case, I mean, it's not the first time we hear something like this, but she was putting it together in a way where she's giving these specific details about who would be coming from NASA and what they would do with it. They'd win the bid and melt it down for scrap metal. It's, man. But from there, Amy spoke about how anti-gravitic technology had been independently discovered four different times, according to what she said, throughout history.

But each time, it was taken away and suppressed. She also described her own interactions and what she had been told directly about her own breakthroughs on anti-givetons. gravity tech. And when you hear her talk about this, kind of looking back on it now, it's, I mean, honestly, it's really kind of eerie to hear this. I've had multiple, both protective and threatening interactions with various agency affiliations, whatever. So I have these two, like, I have these two different scenarios floating constantly in my life, where I have people being like, do it, do it, do it, you're the one, do it. And then I have multiple people, people being like, they're going to kill you.

Don't do it. They're going to kill you. Well, on June 11th, 2022, Amy was found dead at the age of 34. And her death was ruled a suicide. But according to other records and those close to her, they still say that the cause of death is uncertain. And the fact is, though, that a brilliant mind

that was working on these cutting-edge technologies is no longer with us. That's the fact. And you can't help but to wonder in that fact what could have been. What other technologies? What other inventions? Was she on the cusp on?

And who else might be coming under possible intimidation working on similar projects and working on similar technologies? Who is causing this intimidation? Who is trying to keep these secrets? of both advanced technologies and advanced civilizations under wraps. Does it come down to people at NASA or people from these non-governmental organizations, Department of Energy, DARPA, or maybe some other clandestine organization that we haven't

mentioned here today? The fact is, when we look at all of the details that we've put together here during this episode, it's hard to ignore the commonalities. in each story kind of connecting back to the NASA organization. Now, I'm not going to sit here and accuse, you know, NASA itself as this cover-up organization and they're responsible for murders. That's not what I'm trying to do. But what I want to do is bring attention to the fact that whether it was Edgar Mitchell

or Richard Bandurik or Amy Eskridge or anybody else that we spoke about here today. There are many people passed away and alive, still with us today, who talk about these different organizations being part of the cover-up, being part of the suppression. They've worked for them, they've worked with them,

and in some cases, maybe even worked against them. But in the end, we keep coming back to these government organizations. And I just asked the question, why is that? We can even look back at the work of Gary McKinnon. His story is one that's been widely reported about hacking into NASA reportedly and coming up with all these documents about non-terrestrial employees. That guy is still on the run.

I mean, he was in big trouble for that. And zero point energy seems to be a focus, as well as other mediums of exotic means. of propulsion. Could that be a reason why they continue to suppress it? Because those types of technologies would just change the world too much. Would it be an economic upheaval? And they don't want it coming out.

It's a possibility. Even Sean Duffy, the new acting head of NASA. And I mentioned this recently when we spoke to Anthony Williams. But I couldn't help us to at least think about it when we bring up this discussion where Sean Duffy was asking, look, I'm the acting head of NASA and I still don't haven't been read in on the alien briefing. He didn't say, and I keep highlighting this throughout the past couple of episodes, because it's incredibly important in my view.

He didn't say if there's an alien briefing, I haven't been updated on it. He said, I haven't been read in on the alien briefing yet. So was that intentional, or was he just speaking in, you know, general terms? The fact is he said it. So what kind of secrets are being suppressed and quite possibly have been suppressed for decades, not only from NASA but from other government organizations. And that's been the question for a long time. And that question is getting louder, especially when we present details like we have here today during this episode of UAP. There are people talking about

these things out in the open, as we've heard here today. But it's up to us to take note and listen. And that's what I sincerely hope I was able to do here today with you during this episode. But that will do it for this edition of UAP. Of course, it's always up to you in the end. What do you think? You make up your own mind. And don't forget to download and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts.

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that led me to do UAP in the first place, the questions that remain unanswered. But on that note, thank you all again for everything. for all the support because it always means the world to me. So until next time right here on UAP, it's Stephen Deanier here saying,

be well, thanks so much, and so much more to come up on UAP. So we'll talk again soon right here on the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thanks.