UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 155 The Roderick Castle Story part 2 - The Aftermath

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

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And this is the start of a big week in the UFO world because today, as of now, maybe I'm in the air as you're listening to this, or maybe I'm already there. But I'll be going to Washington, D.C. for the UAP hearings on Tuesday. September 9th. So it should be a very interesting week to say the least. I'll get into that a little bit more after this interview, but I don't want to get too far off track. So I'll come back after this, the conclusion of this interview here today for episode 155 to talk a little bit more about the UAP hearing, what I'm expecting from it, what we should all expect from it, or maybe not expect. And then we'll close out. And that'll be it for this episode. But for now,

there's plenty left to go because we've only just begun. We are in part two of my interview with Roderick Castle. And if you heard part one, Rodwick is a really interesting guy, you know, very thoughtful, someone who was very hesitant to come out about his story when it comes to what he saw in the desert that night in Arizona, early March 1997, with the Black Triangle flying overhead. And then, of course, as you heard in the first part, him and his two, fellow Marines being

disarmed heads against the Humvee. You're going to hear more about the rest of that incident. That's kind of where we pick it up right now and the rest of this interview is what happens next. This car comes up with this clandestine force and they're

basically taken into custody if you will. They're not taken into custody but they're really held right there as this craft is flying overhead and this force is holding them against the Humvee until the craft flies away. And you're going to hear about how the Humvee wouldn't start.

So there's a lot of questions in here that if you had it from part one, I think some, hopefully all, if not most, somewhere there, will be answered in part two. So we're going to pick it up right where we left off during that event and then go from there as to what now with Roderick. And what was it like going to D.C. recently with Dr. Stephen Greer, meeting with Representative Eric Burleson and Michael Herrera, as they were all there, meeting with Representative Burleson.

There's a lot that we get to here as far as what are his thoughts on, you know, Congress moving forward and reverse engineering and Dr. Stephen Greer himself. So there's a lot that we get to here afterwards, after the story that I think is very relevant to where things are going now, especially heading into the UAP hearing. Kind of all comes together here, I think. And when I do come back in after the interview, I will have that. some exclusive updates that I received over the weekend for some from some insiders in D.C. I'll say that.

So stay tuned for those exclusive updates on what to expect as well from the witnesses and from the hearing. So first, though, here is the rest of this interview with myself and Roderick Castle. The conclusion, listen up. Enjoy. I am curious about your car not being able to start. How do you think that happened? I mean, it sounds like it's intentional, or at least you would think so. I mean, it would be quite coincidental that the car that was working just fine earlier isn't working now. Did they use some type of EMP device that shut it off for a little while?

How do you explain that? I didn't witness anything, like, directed towards the vehicle. But, again, my gut tells me maybe it was a result of the craft itself. And because they had vehicles and they were attached to the craft, in some way did they have shielding or the right setup so that they were not affected by this exotic technology?

Like some type of like electromagnetic? It's really in the literature that certain certain craft encounters can't have an effect on on vehicles that and then once it's out of the area it starts up again.

It feels more like that. Yeah, so that would make sense. There's some type of advanced electrical magnetism maybe that shut it down, if you will. So it would... Yeah, because I think these guys knew we certainly weren't going to go chasing after them. Right. I don't think they had any thoughts of that, that they were trying to delay us. Again, the whole situation felt sudden, accidental, unplanned.

from our side. How often do you think this happens, Roderick? Obviously you and your fellow Marines weren't alone in something like this ever happening before. How often do you think it does happen where some guys are wrong, you know, wrong place, wrong time. Of course, Mike Herrera is one of them that we've spoken about before in his story that he presents. I mean, is this, do you feel like this is prevalent even? I mean, I feel like every, for every story we actually here for every service member that's willing to speak up. Who knows how many stories are behind that? You know, how many, are there, are there 10 incidents for every one person that speaks up? Because I can see plenty of service members just taking a very, a very patriotic point of view

and just saying, you know, whether, whether I was harmed or not, or this is secret or not, I'm in it's secret for a reason and I'm just never going to speak of it. It's just something something that happens. But my fear is more often than we think. And there's a I just saw a story where somebody talked about desensitization in service members. When you're when you're in that kind of environment and things just keep. happening that you know anomalies that it just becomes the norm in the sense you know like certainly something that I experienced you know that was not the norm and that was not

that's something that stays with you but how many service members have um seen lights and orbs and radar anomalies and how many pilots have seen things where it just becomes there's weird stuff in the sky and that's just part of the deal because I go back to 97 and I can put myself in the setting. We're in Yuma, Arizona. We're working on the flight line, you know, middle of the night or we got Art Bell on the radio. You know, ironic. And we're, yeah. we you know and he's uh he's in nevada doing his show and that was the high the art bell years and um

it's kind of a magical magical place out there especially yuma because it's um right in the corner of arizona and california and uh mexico um and things just become you may you might just take it for granted that the weird things happen in the desert weird things happen out of see and there's lights that you can never explain. And my hope is with disclosure, once it becomes less stigmatized, a lot more service members will come out and tell their stories, the big stories and the little stories. I think they all have a part to play in this. Yeah, absolutely.

Do you think, Roderick, just in the overall picture, do you think the U.S. has reverse engineered alien technology. I'm not talking about, you know, where you get a bunch of really smart people together and they figure out anti-gravity tech and they work it out and like, oh, wow, this is how it's done. You have that breakthrough? I'm talking, have we produced reverse engineer craft based off of recovered alien craft? Do you think?

Yeah, my, you know, my theory for what it is is something happened back in the late 40s, early 50s where technology-wise, something really popped open. And that stuff's just slowly been trickling out, slowly been trickling out. You know, my dad, my dad worked for what became Verizon. It was New York telephone, AT&T. he worked 30 years for that company and he was one of the first people trained in fiber optics and I remember being a kid him telling me about this new fiber optics you know glass small glass tubes that can transfer energy faster than anything um and that seemed to come it seemed to come

out of nowhere into the public sphere. And I know one of the theories that fiber optics was one of those things that got reversed engineered. You know, again, going back to gut feelings, it's like things like that that just kind of come our way,

it came from somewhere. You know, we have, of course, had very intelligent scientists, but if that's, If that's things that come into the public sphere, what has not come into the public sphere? You know, anti-gravitic technology, like something I saw, you know, how long does that stay secret? And who's running the show up there? You know, that's what really worries me.

And, you know, I have worked with Dr. Greer to the point that helped me get a voice in this area. he's he's very kind to you know whistleblowers in the sense of helping them get a voice but I I do agree with some of his thoughts about above government higher level criminal organization which which really worries me for our whole planet you know if that's happening What can we do here on the ground to push up and say it's not okay? You know, I'm down here on the streets working with veterans who are living on the street. And does the human race, do veterans have to live this way? Do the human race have to live this way?

You know, I'm getting an $800 a month electric gas bill. You know, is that where we want to be at the human race? Or do we have the ability to really help people so that we can live better lives? And if that's the case, you know, that pisses me off. And I'm, again, I'm not okay with that. Yeah, no, absolutely. And that's, and I want to actually ask you before we're done here today, I wanted to kind of get into some of the present day things.

starting with, you know, you've mentioned you've spoken to, I think, probably safe to say you developed a friendship with Mike Herrera, kind of shared experiences between you guys. And I know he's helped you kind of walk you through the process. And you mentioned speaking to Dr. Stephen Greer and, you know, he's spoken to some others behind the scenes as well. Where do you see everything kind of right now, Roderick? Like, how do you see the situation now? Are you happy with where everything is or at least where everything's going? I think I'm going to be able to make some more determinations after September 9th. Okay.

I think this is a real critical point in this disclosure movement. What happens? Who speaks? What are they going to say? And what are we going to do with that information? I'm with Mike Herrera frustrated at, when you've got people like myself and him saying, here we are, you know, nothing to lose.

I'm not even asking for any protections or any compensation. I'm just asking to have a voice. And I have, with Dr. Greer being the liaison, I was able to sit in rep Burleson's office, you know, and tell him my stuff. And he's a good man. He listens. You can tell he's feeling it.

And you can see in his, his demeanor and the things he's trying to do that he wants, he wants this disclosed. But again, he is not to belittle that, but he is just a representative on a task force. And there's a lot of layers above that. Right. And I am frustrated with. If you want to call it the uphology community in the sense of, it just seems like we're going in circles at times. It's the same voices, the same talking points,

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Yeah. You know, I don't want to hear another Avi Lope or Eric Davis or somebody, you know, talking from this high, this hierarchical situation where they're, they can say this, they can't say this. It's like, come on, let's, if we're going to disclose, let's disclose. You know, it's starting to get ridiculous. Yeah, and listen, I know a lot of people share that sentiment and I think it's a very, very fair point. Hey guys, so before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us. And it's scary. Starting something new, right? It's hard and it is kind of terrifying because you think about all the work that goes into it.

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other people who were in that picture. So what was that like for you? Was that kind of like the first, was that the first big step for you to go and have that meeting with everybody in D.C.? It was besides, you know, having some email back and forth with you to kind of open that up. You know, Dr. Greer invited me to come to D.C. to do an interview with him for an upcoming documentary.

I don't know where that is in the process. I know Mike Mazzola did the filming. You know, he's going to eventually that's going to come out in some sense. But my main, the main pull for me was connected to that was a meeting with Burleson. You know, Dr. Greer had arranged that. so that myself, Mike Herrera, Mike Batista, could go sit in Burlington's office and tell each of our individual stories. Did all three you go together and kind of sit together and just told a one by one?

We did. We did. We sat right in Burleson's office at his round table. And I got a lot of respect for the man. He showed us the little bed. He keeps in the back room. so that when he can't go home, that's where he sleeps, and he wakes up the next morning, and he gets the business. But it was a good experience because I felt like, okay, there's some other veterans that are pushing just as hard as me for disclosure. I felt like I was part of a team.

Learning from Dr. Greer, you know, we did a little C-5 training, just to experience that with him. You know, I do my own type of meditation, but it was cool to experience that with him. I can't say we saw anything amazingly anomalous that night. But it certainly was a good experience to learn from him and to be around other vets or open minds and have experienced anomalous situations and want to help the country, help humanity. I'll put it that way. Yeah. No, that's great. I mean, what do you think? Did you feel like you learned something when you, when you left D.C. and coming off of that meeting with Eric Burleson and,

you know, being together with everybody? Do you feel like there was something that you learned about the situation or some type of new information that you, you walked away with? You're like, oh, wow, this was, this, this really caught me off guard or perspective even. I did get that sense of this is a much bigger thing than just a reverse engineered military thing, that it's all connected somehow. The increase in sightings of orbs, increased skywatchers of work, seeing anomalous, you know, plasma-type energy in the sky-waters of work, you know, seeing anomalous, you know, plasma-type energy in the skywaters.

guy and that's when I first started talking to other people about, you know, extra-dimensional type situations with this. And I think, I think 20, 30 years from now we're going to be able to tell the story and be able to connect the dots. But right now, we're just kind of looking through the veil. You know, we're popping our head through. And when we take veteran stories and you take physics, you know, And you take spirituality, it's all going to, it's all coming together in some way.

But I think generally we're moving in the right direction. I just think people don't like change, you know, especially people that are entrenched in some kind of power. Yeah. Power situation where they're receiving the benefits. They're certainly going to push, push down so that that doesn't happen. And that's kind of what I felt too. There's something bigger at the top of this pyramid. that does not want this information trickle down.

There is a suppression ahead to the suppression effort somewhere. It's interesting. Exactly. Exactly. There was one thing I wanted to ask that that was on my mind, Roderick, before we're done. And just to kind of circle back to the unscheduled vaccine, since that was unscheduled, do you remember having the scheduled booster? Like, did you think to yourself, you know, why are we doing this again?

Yeah, when I, in 95, that was my first overseas deployment. I was stationed on the USS. First we went to Japan, Cadina Air Base, and then a smaller unit of us went on to the USS Bella Wood. And before that deployment, because we were going to hit Kenya, we were going to go into the Gulf and do operations, no-fly zone operations. for, you know, the second part of the Gulf War, we received, it was either a two or three shots series. And again, it was controversial back then. A lot of Marines didn't want to take it. You know, there was grumbling.

Even the normal shot, there was always an MP with a rifle, you know, standing nearby. Again, Marines don't talk a lot. They imply. it was implied you're going to take this vaccine. It's part of the deal. You're all good with the anthrax. So that's why that extra shot after the encounter really stood out. That's interesting.

Yeah. How do you think, I just felt that was important to kind of put the, you know, the pieces together on that. But after everything's been kind of settled here and done for you, Roderick, I know, in a sense, nothing's done. You've just kind of moved into a new step of a new journey. But now that you have, I guess, maybe taking that new step as a better way to put it, what has the reaction been like for you? What have you been going through since going public? Well, it's been a process.

My degree is in creative arts therapy. I intentionally went into that because I'm not a real black and white psychologist type. I like dealing with more feelings and symbols, et cetera. So I'm already kind of known as more of an eccentric guy, you know, which I like. I enjoy. It works well with a lot of veterans who aren't very traditional. But this is another level. You know, this is really bringing some stigma upon myself, which I'll bear.

but I have that feeling of all right how do I navigate this new this new life choice where I'm going to be forever connected to this controversial subject and I've gotten here's most of the reaction I get

I either get 100% like oh man this is cool we got your back I've been fascinated by this stuff my whole life and wow I can't believe you actually saw that I either get that or I get complete silence, you know, like a, like a glassy-eyed look of, wow, you're, you, you, you are out there and I know nothing about this subject. Because when you get, when you get enmeshed with the uphology topic, and you're listening to a lot of podcasts, and you kind of like, that becomes, again, normal. Yeah, right. But then you realize 75% of the, the, the, uh,

population knows nothing about the subject. They really don't. Right. And, uh, that's why I think these hearings are so important because, you know, I will, I will mention to somebody I'm involved with this and that I'll say something like, you know, the, the hearings that happened in 23, the hearings that happened in 24. And they have no idea. Hmm. They have no idea. And these are people, these are well-educated people at higher levels of, you know, nonprofits, directly working with veterans, and they have no idea. And they've heard about the drone situation, you know, that happened over the last year. And they, all they know is that the government, when President Trump came in office, he explained it.

It was, you know, authorized, et cetera, and they leave it there. So most people don't dig any further. So when you start talking about UAPs, first of all, they have no idea what that means. And then you say, well, that's the new term for UFO. And then you say UFO, you bring in that stigma. Right. And, you know, you just, again, that glassy-eyed look of, I don't know if I can take anything this person is staying seriously,

which, you know, for a mental health professional, that, of course, could be, a big problem. But I would like to be one of those mental health professionals that maybe at some point specializes in helping fellow veterans, you know, deal with their UAP PTSD, if you want to call it that. Yeah. Because who better? There's not a lot of, there's not a lot of mental health professionals that are even veterans. You know, we're hurting for those in this community. And if I can be that for other veterans down the line, that's what I want to do. I think that's a great idea. I think it's amazing, very commendable thing to have a mind. And I hope to see that come about myself, Rod, because that would be fantastic.

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all right, go ahead and put it out there, tell everybody who I am. And they're just starting to learn about these things. What would you say to them for the people who are on the other side of the fence? And they say, you know, this is this. I'm not saying this in a disrespectful way. I'm saying if people have this reaction, you're like, this dude's nuts. This dude is crazy. He has no idea what he's talking about.

He doesn't know what he saw. Why should people believe you, Roderick? They should believe me because I'm not the only one. They should believe me because I don't have a history of serious mental health issues. You know, again, I have a master's degree in mental health counseling. I got my master's in 2010, and I've been directly working with seriously, seriously mentally ill veterans since then. And I don't take any of this lightly.

And again, I decided to speak up because I was, I was frustrated with the type of people, especially Congress, was pulling in to talk about this. I didn't see anybody that I could directly identify with. You know, I didn't stay in the Marine Corps. I did my four years, three months. I wanted to get back into the civilian world. And I didn't become an intelligence officer.

I didn't become, you know, a career officer. I have no hidden agenda. And I'll say the same thing. My career says, this does not help us on a personal level. This does not do anything for it. If anything, it's made it more difficult for me to find another position in the Rochester, New York community, doing what I want to do. And there's certainly no protections coming from Congress. There's no financial incentive.

There's no, all I can do is use my reputation that I've built. as a veteran counselor and my experience and my very sound military record, you know, honorable discharge, lots of awards for my work as an aviation ordnanceman, and then two years in the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard here in New York, as some type of validation. I've heard a lot of there's always a lot of talk of questioning

stories, you know, civilian and veterans. I think it's overly critical. And I was like, if I can use my situation to break some of that stigma, that's what I'm trying to do. What are the next steps for you? What do you see for yourself in the next few months on the short term?

even into the next couple of years as your next steps when it comes to this, this now, you know, new, new road that you're on. Well, I'm going to concentrate on just reestablishing myself here on a personal level. When I did, in January, when I did start talking about this stuff, a lot of PTSD symptoms did come up. Um, you know, you've been always patient, patient and kind with me. I did, I did call you. We did talk on the phone one time briefly when I was, um, I chose to go to the PTSD clinic, um,

in Batavia, New York for one month, an inpatient clinic. So I could kind of settle myself, get a handle on how I was feeling. Um, because talking about this stuff did crack open a lot. Um, in. combination with the actual documented hazing incident, which happened to me in the Marine Corps in 1995, for which I'm actually diagnosed officially with PTSD, just kind of figuring out how that all works together. And retelling my witness encounter did bring up a lot of stuff all through June and July, moving into August. I've been trying to figure all that out. And what do I want to do next?

Is I put out a call to any veterans. I am on the X platform. I'm under Castle Bravo, FF. I would like to hear from other veterans. And let's start getting, let's maybe try to get these stories into one place. And if I can be a voice for any of them. But I'm going to really step back from, interviews, etc.

I need to settle my personal matters and get another good counseling role so I can help this community that I'm in and go from there. It's been a whirlwind the last three months.

Negative? A lot of negative or a lot of positive or somewhere in between, do you think? Right now I'd say I'm right in the middle. Okay. I'm right in the middle. I'm deciding I'm deciding the cost-benefit analysis

of coming out. I still think it's the right thing to do because I don't like what occurred to me. I don't like what's occurred to other veterans. I don't like the stigma that's attached. And I don't like the feeling that there is some people up above that are suppressing, you know, humanity. Put it that way.

Yeah. I'm not okay with that, and I would like to do my part to speak truth to power. Yeah, good for you. Do you consider yourself a whistleblower, Roder, Roder? Would you call yourself that? I don't know if I wish I had more, you know, direct evidence that I could bring forth. And I think that's what a real whistleblower is, somebody that actually has, you know, documentation, material, etc. I feel I'm more of a witness.

I'm telling my part of the story because I think it's part of it's a small piece of the puzzle. And what is your message to other whistleblowers or to other witnesses? I know you've spoken about them a lot here today. So it feels like this is a good spot to kind of encapsulate everything. what would be your message to those men or women who went through something similar that you went through where they saw something they couldn't explain and they were, you know, intimidated by others because of it? And they don't want to come out. They're afraid to do it or they're hesitant to do it.

What would be your message to them since you were in their shoes and you decided to come out to talk about it? Well, I would say try to follow the same process I went through. Really think about what occurred to you and how. how it has affected you personally, and then see if your story does have a part to play in the bigger picture. And then educate yourself on other stories and try to empower yourself that way. Realize that more and more people are coming out about their situations, especially other veterans. And every time somebody speaks up, the stigma is lessened. So that's how you can help.

Even if you were on a ship in the middle of Pacific and you saw an orb fly over, something that couldn't be explained and then you reported to your command and they excused it. That little piece right there could be very important. And the more people that speak, the less afraid the rest of us will be. If there is a small group of people at the top, you know, trying to control this information, all we have is our numbers. So the more the better, the more to better, please. That's a great point.

Do you feel like it's been worth it for you, looking back and everything and just where you are right now? Do you feel like it's been a worthwhile effort? Yes. My experience in D.C. was fascinating and enlightening. And, you know, I needed to go through that process. For the first time, besides speaking with you, I felt like I, I was fascinating. was being taken seriously and the stories of veterans were being taken seriously.

So again, the more of us, the better. We need as many veterans that have talked about this, that have seen things to speak up. And all those veterans that are contacting me on X and saying, hey, I actually saw a triangle in, you know, in Tucson in 2001, etc, et cetera, like just keep telling the stories. Tell it to your family. Tell it to your representative. We just,

we got to get rid of the stigma. It has been very detrimental to people in the past. I think it's getting less, but it's still there and it's, it's not a good thing. That's the sciop if there is one. To make people feel like they're crazy or make the public think like people are crazy.

for talking about something they know happened. Yeah, I think it's really important. I think it's really well put. Roder Castle, thank you so much for making all the time to do this. I mean, you've been incredibly generous with your time, but I really do think, you know, I ask you if you think everything you've gone through has been worth it. I think the time that we spent here today has been worth it.

This has been just an incredible discussion, a heartfelt one, an important one, and I really do appreciate your openness, and your availability to come in here today and talk about all this for the length of time that we did. Thanks so much. Yeah, thank you, Stephen, for being there. Absolutely.

For me and on any other, anybody else that needs a voice. Thank you. It's my pleasure. Anything I can do to help, that's what I just continue to try to do here to push the conversation forward on UAP. So you won't come back anytime, Roderick. I know we'll keep talking behind the scenes,

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Previous results do not guarantee the same outcome. This ad doesn't constitute an attorney-client relationship. Data and SMS messaging rates may apply. And thanks so much to Roderick once again for all of that. And I hope you got something out of it. I hope that was something that made you think about the current status of things when it comes to whistleblowers or witnesses. People who want to come out and talk like we're going to see this week on Capitol Hill with the four witnesses. One of them being, of course, George Knapp, as far as the journalist section is concerned.

And then with the other three, Tyler Borland, Jeff Nusatelli, who, I'm looking forward to seeing. And Chief Alexandra Wiggins, U.S. Navy Senior Chief, over 23 years of service. So this is going to be really, really something to behold. And when it comes to Jeff Nusateli, now, I think I know what Jeff is going to say because he's spoken here on the show. So before we're done here today, I just want to touch on some of this and what I found out over the weekend leading into this and what we should all expect. So when it comes first to Jeff Nusitelli, I think, you know, obviously he's, I would, I shouldn't say obviously, I don't know, I haven't read his testimony, but I think he's going to talk about his Red Cube incident over Vandenberg in 2003. Maybe he gets into some other things, but it's going a lot of what Jeff has to say.

And he's a great speaker. So I'm looking forward to the world hearing what Jeff Nusiteli has to say and how he has to say it. Because it's, it's, I loved having him here on the show. so I'm not going to lie with just kind of biasedly speaking. I was super pumped when I saw Jeff's name show up here on the witness list when that came out last week. I was kind of doing a little dance here in the studio and I texted him right away and I was just like, dude, I can't believe you're a witness. And he's he's excited. He's ready.

So I can't wait to hear what he has to say for the world to hear as Jeff Neusateli takes the stand at those UAP hearings tomorrow as I record this. Chief Alexandra Wiggins has a very fascinating story about kind of like a Tick-Tac shaped craft that appeared on radar. They saw it. So I think that's going to catch a lot of people's attention because he hasn't done a lot of interviews. But his citing was confirmed by Tim Gallaudet, who of course we saw at the last hearing, Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet. So I think people are going to be intrigued by what Chief Wiggins has to say as well.

Now, George Knapp is, you know, he's going to bring the heat. We know what George has done over the decades, not the years, the decades when it comes to the UAP discussion. You know, I said it last time and I'll say it again without him. This show and many other shows most likely do not even exist because of how he helped to push this story forward in the public psyche. So I can't wait to hear George Knapp and, you know, maybe he can drop some knowledge bombs and everybody during his testimony. Dylan Borland is a really interesting one. He's described as a UAP witness, a U.S. Air Force veteran. Now, I spoke to some people over the weekend, and they told me that David Grush is expecting.

So these are people I spoke to who have spoken to Grush recently, and they said that Grush expects Dylan Borland to be the most impactful witness. Grush knows Borland's story. A lot of us don't, quite frankly. at least I don't. Maybe there's something I miss about Dylan Borland. And if I did, then I apologize. But I know I'm going to hear it for the first time. And I got excited, hopeful, definitely raised my eyebrows when I was told over the weekend by those who kind of on the inside that David Grush thinks that Dylan Borland is going to be one that sticks out to people for his testimony and what he has to say and how he has to say it. So I'm looking forward to hearing what Dylan Borland has to say for sure. And again, this is something I was thinking about over the weekend too. And I've said it before and I'll say it again because it is worth repeating.

Just because, and this is more of like a cautionary tale here, and I don't mean to lecture, but this is just again, something to keep in mind as we go into it, just because you might hear something. And I have to tell myself this as well, that you've heard before, whether it be on a show or an interview or a documentary from one of the witnesses. and then you kind of roll your eyes and think to yourself, oh, well, this is nothing, this is a nothing burger, no one's going to care about this.

I've heard this before. Give me something new. Why should I care about this? Well, keep in mind that number one, you actually might hear some new things. That's the first thing. But number two, a lot of it is going to be new to the vast majority of people

who are going to hear about this hearing, who might come across it on the news, might come across the clip on social media, and they're going to hear something from Jeff Nusitelli or Chief Wiggins or George Knapp. And they're going to hear them say something that maybe they never heard before. Maybe it's a well-known story in our world. But to them, it's like the first time they're hearing it and they're going to say,

oh my gosh, I can't believe it. Like this giant craft flew over Phoenix in 1997. When did that happen? How come I never heard about that? This Tick-Tac was flying over a battleship and what is this thing? Who's piloting in? How is it going so fast and going underwater and coming back out and shooting up into the sky. What are these stories all about? So just keep in mind that if it is something that you've heard

before, don't be disappointed. That's my overall point. Don't be disappointed. And, you know, try not to think that it wasn't worth it because it might be something we've heard before. Because on the other end, it could very well be something that somebody else is hearing for the very first time. And it could have an impact in moving the conversation forward. And that's one of the main things, too, to keep in mind is we're hoping this pushes the conversation forward to the next step, which is the UAP Disclosure Act, which is another thing I've heard about over the weekend, talking to those who are on the inside, I guess I'll say, just in private conversations about the UAP Disclosure Act.

That has a lot of momentum from what I was told over the weekend. This is all inside information, by the way. I didn't put this out on social media or anything like that. I wanted to just tell you here on the show of what I learned over the weekend. weekend from everybody who's kind of like on the inside that uap disclosure act it has a pretty strong backing um in the house and in the senate as well from senator chuck schumer and senator rounds um so this is one of those things that will help to push that forward as we get to that piece of legislation really in the next uh month or so and i know that's they're pretty excited about

it from those on the house floor who are getting ready to pass this and that's something that will really kind of, you know, be the next big domino to fall. But this domino has to fall first from the hearings as I stand here right now tomorrow. But other than that, I will say maybe get ready for some surprises as well. Just going to put that out there. So let's all watch it together, see what happens. And I cannot wait to come back from Washington to tell you all about it. So I'm going to do my best to get all the details and have all the conversations.

So when I come back here on the next episode of UAP, we can debrief. brief together and talk about what we heard and what we saw at the UAP hearings for Tuesday, September 9th. But until then, continue to follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850. You could follow along there, especially this week as I will be live reporting from the hearings. So I'll say that one more time if you're not already following at UA Podcast 850, especially on Twitter and TikTok. You'll be able to follow along there and see what's going on, especially on Twitter. but I'll try to get some stuff on TikTok as well. YouTube at UA Podcast.

I try to get some new videos up there here and there so you can check that out. And, of course, continue to download and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast and all the big platforms. Or if you want to send me a direct message, you can do that through those social media platforms or at S-D-N-R-U-A-P at gmail.com. S-D-I-E-N-R-U-A-P at Gmail.com. I have to go catch my flight, so I'm going to run. But until next time, thank you.

so much for listening. Thank you again to Roderick Castle. I hope you took something away from this from hearing these two parts from this conversation with Roderick, and I hope to talk to him again in the future soon. And anyone else who hopefully is willing to come out and be courageous enough like he did to say something and speak up about what they've seen. So until next time, thank you again so much for joining and for all the support. It really does mean the world. It's Stephen Deering here saying, be well. Thanks so much. We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified the LA podcast.