UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 156 Behind the Scenes Recap of the New Congressional Hearing on UFOs

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

Stephen Diener gives his first hand recap of the Congressional UAP Hearing that took place this week in Washington DC. Hear what it was like as the witnesses gave their explosive testimonies to the world. Plus, Stephen gives some never before heard details surrounding the release of the now famous video that was shown of the missile hitting the UFO. All that and much more is covered during this detailed recap...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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podcast. And I say it's going to be a big one because we have a lot to cover and very significant things to cover coming out of the UAP hearing just a few days ago. I do want to, I don't know, apologize, maybe more explain on the delay. Obviously, this would have been better served maybe a couple of days ago, such as the day after the hearing. That was impossible because I didn't get back home until about 5 o'clock p.m. from Washington, D.C. So that was obviously had to get some things together from there. And then, you know, world events took place. And it just didn't feel right to come out with an episode in the midst of everything going on. It would seemed very short-sided by me, knowing that everyone was consumed with the assassination

of Charlie Kirk with the 24th anniversary of 9-11. It just felt like the wrong day to come out with an episode of UAP. It just didn't feel like it made much sense in that moment. So today, I wanted to kind of separate things. I get home. Yesterday, a lot going on on September 11th. of course. And now I want to bring this to you before we get too far removed here from the hearings on Tuesday, September 9th. So obviously been a very, very full week in the world. And this was definitely a part of it. We're going to go over some of the witness statements and go over some of the big highlights that I took away from it, both personal and I suppose you could say significant towards the UAP. discussion, a lot behind the scenes things as well, starting with really how it all began.

I'm obviously going to get to the hearing, but I do want to go through some of the behind the scenes things and talk about some of the fun things that happened, such as Monday night. And what I saw on Monday night, the night before the hearing, just if I could as we begin, was a camaraderie in the UFO world, the UAP community. I was fortunate enough to get an invite to Eric Burleson's pre-hearing get-together, reception, I guess is the best way to put it. And a lot of people were there, myself with Danny Sheehan, Dr. Stephen Greer, Anna Brady Estevez, Colonel Carl Nell was there. Jaime Malsan was there. I mean, the list goes on and on of Bob Salas and his wife, Stephen Bassett.

it was quite the room of UFO characters. And for the first time, I got to meet UAP Gerb, as many people know him. I also got to learn his real name, which I never knew. And I won't say it here because I'm pretty sure he hides his real name on purpose, but maybe you know it anyway. I don't know how he handles that, but just out of respect, I won't go spreading it. So I'll just call him Gerb like everybody else does. And obviously, he has a very popular show as well.

So we recognize each other right. way. Like, hey, you, I know you. And so it was really cool to meet him. A really cool guy, really fascinating, super smart, very astute, I would say for UAP GERB. Just really takes a lot in. You can almost see like he's taking in the situation and working out everything in his mind throughout every situation that he's in, which is why he does so well on his own show. But it was cool to meet him and hang out that night with everybody. Representative Andy Ogles as well and Representative Luna, they were in the room and I got to meet them. Ogles, great guy. Luna didn't stick around too long. I only got to meet her briefly. But with Representative Ogles, he was,

he's great. I really liked him in the second hearing, the one that was at last November, and he was very good again at this hearing. So I'm glad I got to meet him because she was a, you know, a very personable guy and he was really cool to talk to. So that Monday night, Pretty wild experience. I had the picture up on social media. I got a lot of attention where I just took a quick selfie because I regretted it at contact in the desert. I didn't do any of that where I took a selfie when I was, you know, kind of in the midst

of all of these people, all the, you know, the UFO luminaries, if you will. And I didn't do anything about it. I thought it would have been cool going back. I'm like, man, I really wish I'd taken a picture of that to show you. And I didn't. And this time, while I was standing there in that reception hall, I thought, you know what? Not this time. I learned my lesson from contact in the desert.

So I took that selfie with everybody behind me. And I know a lot of people on Twitter got a kick out of that photo. So Monday night, great experience to be in the room with everybody. Now, of course, when you hear some of those names, you may or may not like some of those people. You may or may not have strong opinions about some of those people I just named. And that's completely fine. I'm not here to say who I like and who I don't. like, I just want to point out that that's who was in the room and I thought it was a cool

experience to have everybody in there no matter what you think of them. Burleson invited all of those people, including myself, to be in that one room together. And that shows an awareness about, you know, who's on the scene and who's talking about these things. They know who's talking about these things. And that's why they had everybody in there. So that was the appetizer, if you will. That was my experience on Monday night. And I really wanted to bring you the behind the scenes of how everything went and how I experienced it personally. So that's why I'm relating these details to you. And then Tuesday, right, we wake up, we get to the hearing.

Well, get to the Capitol. And the line was long, but I must say, if I'm being fair, it was not as long as last time. Now, that said, there were a lot of people who were still left out. I thought the hearing was going to be, or the room before the hearing was going to be much bigger than the last one, but it was pretty much the same size as the last hearing. This one took place in the House Visitor Center, and the last hearing took place in the Rayburn building, which is across the way. This was in the main complex, the main Capitol building there, if you will, with the rotunda. But this was, again, a lot of people left out, even though the line, in my estimation, wasn't as long as last time.

There were still many people who tried to get in that that couldn't, and I don't know if there was an overflow. But thankfully, for this time, my experience was different. I didn't have to wait outside at 4 in the morning. I'm thankful for that. This time around, I was fortunate enough to have a direct invite from Burleson and his team. So I actually met up with UAP Gerb and a couple of guys from his team. And we were escorted. Again, much different experience personally this time for me, which I'm incredibly thankful for.

We were all escorted through the secret tunnels, if you will. I know they're not secret. but these are the walkways, the tunnels that the employees use and that the people of Congress use to go between buildings without having to cross the street or go out on the street and things like that, they can stay within the confines of the Capitol. So we're going through these tunnels, which for me was cool because I'm all about going through secret tunnels, as I like to call it, and kind of the underbelly of the Capitol. And so I really like that stuff. I've always been fascinated about how these things are built and you never see it. You know, you're walking over it on the street. You're driving over it.

Never even think about these tunnels are there. So the escort us through the tunnels, and we get to the actual hearing room. We get there and we see James Fox. We see Matthew Brown. We see Danny Sheehan and everyone. And the witnesses, Jeff Nusateli, Alexandra Wiggins, George Knapp, of course, and Tyler Borland, who we're going to touch on all of those.

Specifically, I'm not going to ignore George Knapp, but we're going to specifically touch on the other three that I mentioned, as far as their witness testimonies and what they had to say. So pretty incredible way to start off the day. The hustle and bustle was real, though. You could feel it in the air. There were a lot of people rushing around. They were trying to get there on time.

Everyone was trying to figure out where to go. So it was good to be in that spot. And then once we got in the room, we were kind of like, okay, now what? You know, where did we sit? We didn't want to sit in the wrong. place. It's funny to see everyone kind of like try to act like they know what they're doing or they know where they're going. Meanwhile, we're all just kind of guessing. I guess I'll sit here. Sure, I guess this works. So once we were all seated and ready for the hearing, it was just an

overall great experience. And I do want to thank Eric Burleson himself and his team for the hospitality, just specifically speaking about myself. I know they were very hospitable to a lot of people, but it did mean a lot for me personally. So I do want to say thank you to them for the invite to the reception on Monday for introducing me to everybody. Burleson was super nice. You would bring me up to somebody and say, hey, he've met Stephen Dean here yet. He has a great show. I'm like, geez, thanks, Eric. It's like he was my agent, which, you know, I really appreciated that. And I'm very happy that he thinks so highly of what I do here on UAP. And I'm happy that you do as well, which is why you come back to listen. And I'm always truly grateful for that beyond words.

So just thanks again for setting that up, made it a lot more enjoyable than the last time around to know that I was going to be able to get in and be in the mix and be able to bring you all of these details, which was the goal of the whole thing, was to go and be a part of it so I can tell you about it firsthand. So once the hearing actually started, that's when it all set in. I see Jeff Nusatelli, who I was so excited to see personally because he and I have become friendly. since he was a guest here a few times on UAP. And I'm hoping to get him back on post-hearing as well. So stay tuned for that. I'm hoping that we can talk soon to get his impressions now that his witness testimony has come to pass.

And Jeff was actually the first one to go. So we're going to go over some of these opening statements and what they had to say and kind of dig into some of the responses as well. And get into the video that Eric Burleson played. I didn't forget about that. And I actually have a backstory. about that. If you remember, I'll give you a quick teaser. If you remember, before I left for the hearing, I put out that episode right before I got on my flight on Monday, and I said,

I think you can expect some surprises. That video was the surprise I was talking about. I knew that video was going to be played. And that secret was very, very hard to keep. So I'll tell you about that behind the scenes about how that came about. But first, let's get to some of these witness statements and start breaking these things down now that you have that behind the scenes and how I experienced it going through all of that, leading up to the actual hearing itself. So to start off the hearing, of course, Representative Luna brought everybody in, they swore in.

I put out an awesome picture. I actually thought I got a really good picture of everybody swearing in. I put that out on Twitter at UA Podcast 850. I was pretty proud of that picture. if I may say so myself. And then it was Jeff Nusitelli. He was up first, and this is part of his opening statement. Let's listen to that as we begin breaking down this, what I think was a significant and historic hearing.

I'm here today because the American people have both the right and the responsibility to know the truth about unidentified aerial phenomenon. That truth remains hidden, classified and silenced by fear, retaliation, stigma, and conflict. fusion. Today, we are here to help break that silence. And that's exactly what they did. They helped to break the silence and break down more walls of the stigma to try to bring about truth to the American people. And I can tell you, and I'm sure you saw it too, there was a lot of national news coverage about this hearing on Tuesday night once everything was said and done. Of course, the big clip was the video that Eric Burleson dropped, but they also showed a lot of what Jeff Nusitelli had to say what Tyler Borland and George Knapp and Wiggins had to say that was a top

story throughout national news networks. I actually went on YouTube and I saw hundreds of thousands of views from that hearing from on the CBS channel, on the ABC channel, on different news networks on News Nation that were putting out videos from the hearing within 24, within 12 hours. their videos had hundreds of thousands of views. So this hearing got a lot of attention. I think it did what they were hoping it would do, which was bring the attention, more attention, and more legitimacy to this conversation

because of who was testifying. And actually, Jared Moskowitz, representative here from Florida, made that point as well. And he's always really good in these hearings. I enjoy his line of questioning because he made the point. He said, look, you know, The people behind the scenes would love it if we were just bringing in some guy, you know, with a straw in his mouth, said that he saw something crazy in the sky.

But these are military men. These are uniformed military men coming in, telling their stories under oath, talking about their up-closed experiences and their work in the UAP field. That is something that we're going to get to with Tyler Borland in just a second. But I thought that was a great way to start there from Jeff Nusatelli. And in fact, after his opening statement and after all the opening statements, all the witnesses got a great round of applause. And I was, I have to say for myself, a little timid on whether or not I should clap. I really wanted to clap after Jeff was done speaking. Each speaker got five minutes for an opening statement. And I'm like, man, that was really good.

I wish I could applaud. I didn't know I was allowed to. I thought it was like, you know, you had to act a certain way, a level. of decorum where you couldn't clap inside these hearings, but one person started and then everybody else started, and then we started clapping for everybody. So I was like, all right, I guess we're allowed to do this. And that applause was very well deserved, which is why we all wanted to do that. So it was cool that they didn't say, you know, start hitting the gavel. I didn't want to get in trouble in Congress and be thrown in Congress jail or something. So I'm glad that they were okay

with everybody clapping. But Jeff did continue as well during his opening statement. And I thought this was very good point by him to start things off too. We stand at a pivotal moment in history. The question is no longer whether these events are real, but whether we have the courage to face them. So I ask the Congress to help we the people enact this vision. These phenomenon challenge our deepest assumptions about reality, consciousness, and our place in the universe. Exploring them can unlock transformative breakthroughs in technology, biology, and human understanding. Let this be the moment when America chooses courage over fear, transparency over secrecy, and progress over stagnation. Let's show the world that our nation leads not only through strength, but through fearless pursuit of the truth.

Thank you. And that's where he got the big round of applause, and rightfully so, like I said, that was so well said by John Jeff Newsatelli, and I was just so happy, again, personally, to see him testify and have his chance to, you know, speak his mind and tell his story to the world, not only the American people, but to the world that was watching that live stream and who went back to watch it as it recorded. Just a momentous moment there. And again, so well said by him, when you really break that down, too, when you talk about not only bringing the American people in on the secret, right, sharing the secret with the world, but discovering the secret and making the most out of it. What kind of technologies? What kind of enlightenment can we have from knowing about what's out there and what has been coming and everything that the witnesses say that they saw?

When it comes to alien life and all the technologies that it could hold, what is being kept from us? And what kind of technologies? What kind of advancements could we have right? now if all these things were out again if you choose to believe it all going to have more from jeff later on at the end of the show because there was one thing that he said that really stuck with me and i'm going to save that for towards the end hey guys so before we get back into the conversation i just want to talk about something that affects all of us and it's scary starting something new right

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but it's on purpose because it really was a huge day. And what made his testimony so significant was the fact that he was the first active duty military member to testify in front of Congress in one of these UAP hearings. everybody else had been retired or non-active duty when you talk about Ryan Graves or Fravor or Grush or anybody else, Louelizondo, anybody else who has come out and spoken in front of Congress and the other hearings, no one has been active military. But Wiggins is a 24-year Navy veteran. So this was historic just in that aspect on its own.

If you want to forego everything else and say, well, you know, this wasn't that big a deal or that wasn't that big a deal and just kind of put it to the side. If nothing else, it was historic that you had a duty military member testifying in front of Congress about this. And he didn't leave anything out. Wiggins told his story here. What I observed and what our crew recorded was not consistent with conventional aircraft or drones as they appear on our system. A self-luminous, tick-tack shaped object emerged from the ocean before. for linking up with three other similar objects. The four then disappeared simultaneously

with a high synchronized near instantaneous acceleration. I observed no sonic boom and no conventional propulsion signatures. No exhaust plume, no control surface articulation on the Sapphire image system. Shortly after the synchronized departure, radar tracks dropped. So obviously pointing to some type of advanced technology, whether that is something that is man-made from reverse engineering, you know,

alien craft, or if it was just straight up alien craft. Again, the self-luminous tic-tac that we've heard about so many times, who mentioned, you know, David Fravor, of course, what he saw, very similar to what Wiggins was describing there, except for Wiggins, that was just a few years ago. And you also heard him mention the signatures disappearing from radar. This was seen by multiple people and he's the one who decided to come out and talk about it as on his own personal behalf. He did make it known and I should make mention as well that he was not speaking on behalf of the Navy but on behalf of himself. And so he obviously had to make that known for very obvious reasons. But again, to have that out there, to have those details out there from an active military member,

that's what makes these things and these hearings so significant. so big. And that's why I made that point before leaving for the hearing on Monday where people say, you know, the initial reaction is always to these things like when a list of witnesses comes out or even after a hearing, you have some people say, not everybody, this is, you know, more of a social media thing. The response is negative. Where you have, oh, well, that's a nothing burger or, oh, we've heard that before. And again, like I made the point beforehand, then I'll make it again now. When someone who has never heard this stuff, here's that, and they know that it's an active duty military member who's telling that story, it's going to make them raise an eyebrow.

Now, they might still brush it off. I mean, that's very, very possible, but it's at least going to make them pay attention. You know, this isn't, again, this isn't former Joe telling the story. This is Alexandra Wiggins, Navy veteran telling the story about what he saw during his active duty, a self-luminous tic-tac that also linked up with three other tic-tacks, by the way, and then sped off, disappeared, they're gone. All radar signatures were gone. That is a big deal to have that out there. What also caught me was Tyler Borland. Now, Tyler Borland, when I reported to back six weeks ago maybe when I got the word from the inside source in DC that let me know that the hearing was going to be on September 9th. You know, like I said, about six weeks ago

and I put out that video on Twitter saying, hey, look, I just, you know, I got this information. The hearing is going to be on the 9th. And one of the things that I got in that was the fact that they were going to have a firsthand witness at least one or two. Well, Entered Tyler Borland. Here's your first-hand witness to UAPCraft and to the program. You're going to hear his open right here and we'll elaborate. This was not to put anybody else on the side or say one was better than the other. It's just Tyler Borland's his testimony really struck me because of how dramatic it was.

And you can see and hear you can see the seriousness in his face and hear the seriousness in his face and hear the seriousness in his voice. He has gone through it. Here's how he opened up. From 2011 and 2013, I was stationed at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, conducting 24-hour operations via manned and unmanned aerial vehicles for special operations forces and the global war on terror. During the summer of 2012, my team was on standby for weather and I returned to my barracks on base and at approximately 0.130, I saw an approximately 100-foot equilateral triangle take off from near the NASA hangar on the base. The craft interfere with my telephone did not have any sound and the material it was made of appeared fluid or dynamic. I was under this triangular craft for a few minutes and then it rapidly ascended to commercial jet level in seconds displaying zero kinetic disturbance sound or wind displacement.

Some years after that experience, I was further exposed to classified information from the UAP Legacy crash retrieval program through a sensitive position I held within a special access program. Okay, there's a lot there. And there's actually, I had to split this up because he mentioned so much heavy-duty stuff there in his opening statement. So we're going to get to part two of that statement in just a second. But to kind of unwrap that, first he's talking about the siding itself, the black triangle. Very similar to what we heard from Roderick Castle recently, what he experienced in 1997, about a week before the Phoenix Lights incident out in the deserts in Arizona. Now you have this years later, just a few years ago, when Tyler

Borland experienced this. I believe it was just a few years ago. And he's talking about the same type of black triangle. But his sighting, and you'll hear here in the second part, was much more, I guess, detailed, is maybe the word I'm looking for. And up close, he saw a lot more of this craft and experienced it in different ways. But he also mentions, and it. I'll explain that in a second.

But he also mentioned there, you heard him say that he was part of a special access program. And there were questions that he could not answer throughout the hearing. Some of the representatives were actually getting frustrated. In fact, at one point, Burleson said to Tyler Borland, you can understand our frustrations. Because Borland straight up said to them, and I believe it was to Eric Burleson, where he said, I'm not even sure you're allowed to hear that answer. And that kind of was like, whoa. that was a woe moment where you had to be taken aback and had that realization while i mean just for me

as i'm sitting in that room and listening to a firsthand military witness say that to a sitting member of congress not and that went for all of them right i mean burleson was just the one that he was interacting with but he he doesn't know who's allowed to hear the information that he has doesn't matter if you're on Congress. If you're not read in, if you're not cleared at a certain level, you can't know about it. And that was a reality that is really set in while we were in that hearing. And it is frustrating, you know, for the members of Congress who are trying to figure these things out and trying to get the answers. But that is the reality of the situation. So there were points during his back and forth during the Q&A after all the witnesses made

their opening statements. Of course, the Q&A took place. And that was an answer that we heard Tyler Borland give a couple of times saying that I'm going to have probably have to talk to you about that in a skiff. And a couple of times saying I'm not even sure you're allowed to hear that answer. We would have to figure that out first before even going into the skiff. He also mentioned he's not even sure what he can say due to the Espionage Act. This is a guy that has been blackballed as well. He talked about how he can't get a job. I mean, he's living on unemployment.

I mean, I felt so badly for this guy because this is someone that gave his life in service to this country. And this is how they're repaying him because he came across something, because he tried to report it. And they came down on him hard. Here's more of what Tyler Borland had to say during his opening statement. As I sit before you today, I and many of the other. whistleblowers have no job prospects no foreseeable professional future in a nation every single one of us came forward to defend in 2023 Patriots provided this committee and the executive branch with undeniable proof of the uap reality and i commend your continued

commitment the future of humanity is one which we either travel to the stars or aggress to the stone age with this technology my career has been to deliver critical information to decision makers your role as elected by your representatives is to act on it. The time to act is now. Thank you. Poignant, very poignant moments. And he got, by the way, as soon as that ended, the ovation for him after he gave that entire opening statement, my gosh, I thought the room was going to stand and applaud. I'm actually surprised people didn't stand. That ovation went on for a solid 60 seconds. An incredible moment during his opening statements there. As he made it very well known, that's

he and other whistleblowers have been hung out to dry, which actually goes back to something Michael Herrera said a few weeks back. We spoke about Michael Herrera here where he put out a video and said that, you know, I'm a whistleblower and I would suggest to other would-be whistleblowers not to do it because they're leaving us out to dry. And Tyler Borland said that same thing, basically, that I've been treated like garbage and others have been treated like garbage as well. So it was not this was not only an important hearing.

and this was something that I really wanted to say today, so I want to put this out there now before I continue. It was not only an important hearing for the witness testimony and for trying to continue to break through the stigma of the UAP conversation, but it was also important hearing because of what they were trying to do for other whistleblowers. They all spoke about it. It wasn't just Tyler Borland. It was Jeff Nusatelli, George Knapp, Alexandra Wiggins,

the Chief Wiggins, I should say, because he is active military. Chief Wiggins, excuse me for that, for missing that previously. But they all said, we need better whistleblower. Forget better. They need whistleblower protections. There's essentially nothing right now. I know there's supposed to be, but there really isn't. And you'll hear Eric Burleson mentioned that toward the end about an amendment that or an act that Tim

Burchett is trying to get passed for a whistleblower protection. And it hasn't passed yet. So, but that was one of the really big things in this that was one of my takeaways, and I know it was a big takeaway for Congress as well, to hear how people are suffering, how people like Tyler Borland are suffering where they're just trying to do the right thing and say, hey, you know, this happened and they are basically brought down for talking about what they saw. And that's just to their superiors and reporting it. I mean, he didn't mean to see that. It was something that happened. and then he's taken in to all these different meetings and interrogated. I mean, it's insane.

So that covers a big portion of his event there as he sees this black triangle. It's floating overhead. And he actually gives more detail here because once the line of questioning began, they came right to Tyler Borland. He got a lot of questions during this hearing. This is when he was asked about it whether or not if it was conventional or not. This was during a back and forth with Representative Anna Polina Luna. Here's what he had to say about that.

So on barracks, on the base, I lived in the barracks. There was a little smoke pit outside. I was there on the telephone and looking across to the flight line. And I see a white light pop up and stop about 100 feet in the air. I thought it was a weather balloon. I've seen tests from there before. Week night, you know, normal thing, not surprising. I actually finished my cigarette and I began walking up towards the flight line.

There is a track and because I was on three months of night work, I began, I would walk the track at night when we were weathered down. And as I began walking towards the light, towards the flight line and the track, the light then flies across the base, across the flight line, and as it flies to me, a triangle manifests around the light. I can't tell you if it's active camouflage. I can't tell you if it appeared around the light, but I can tell you that it was a white light, and then it was a triangle. Now, that was really incredible.

I mean, again, to get all this stuff on the record, that's what was really going through my mind as I was sitting there, right? It's one thing to have, let's say I had Tyler Borland on as a guest here on UAP, and he's telling this story. That's one thing. I mean, that would be incredible enough to hear details like that about how this triangle materialized out of this light. How, I don't know.

Like he said, is that some type of active? camouflage. It's an incredible detail. But it's, again, it's one thing to hear that if he's a guest on a show or UAP. It's another thing to hear it while he's testifying under oath in front of Congress. And that's what kept running through my head as I was listening to him and the other witnesses speak about their experiences. This was all happening on the record for the entire world to see. It was massively significant. That was my biggest takeaway from this was it was a hugely significant hearing. And that wasn't the only portion where he spoke about why he thought this was not conventional. He continued here answering that question about how this couldn't be

something that had some type of prosaic explanation. There were four lights in total, one light on each corner and a larger light in the center, two to three times the size of the corner lights. But what was really odd was the outside, the best way to describe it is like looking at a James Webb telescope picture where you have the colors and then the black background. So the craft itself was this black metallic flake paint, but on top of the craft was this gold, lava, plasma, some type of fluid going over and around the craft. I'm under this for about two to three minutes and then the center light flashes two to three times, no sound, immediately shoots up to commercial jet level minimum in my opinion.

and I immediately feel static electricity all over my body. And then I smell the smell of after a thunderstorm or lightning storm, that really strong summer thunderstorm smell, gets up to flight level. I'm trying to get my phone reset. And I can only see the center light at this point. If I didn't actually see it take off, I would have thought it was a star. Now, just remarkable detail, to say the least.

And to gauge the reaction, I mean, you could, you could feel everyone's kind of reaction of like, oh my gosh, this is really happening. This is incredible. And I'm watching the faces of the representatives. I'm watching Luna's face. I'm watching Burleson. I'm watching Mason Burchett. And they are all in.

They are locked in as they're watching Tyler Borland to answer these questions. And they were all very fair questions. You know, you have to go through this process of elimination to figure out what this could have been. but as you hear him talking about there, how it just shoots up into the sky. So, of course, exhibiting that instantaneous acceleration, talking about that, like, lava-like flow that's going around the middle. Now, after the hearing, UAP Gerb and I, we sat next to each other during the hearing. And after it was over, we kind of went outside and we a little group there kind of talking about it.

What did we think? And it was interesting to get his thoughts, again, because he's just, he's, it's funny to watch. love to observe people. And so in like a social setting, I actually don't talk that much, believe it or not. I know that's hard to believe when you listen to the show, but I talk on here because I have to. I'm the only one on it. But in a social setting, I really like to listen and I like to observe. And I saw that with UAP Gerb. I thought it was just so fascinating to watch his mind work. And as we kind of spoke back and forth about what that could have been. And of course, the assumptions are at some type of reverse engineered alien craft or in alien craft itself.

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up into space, as it were, and to give off that static electricity feeling that Tyler described on his body where he had this, you know, on his skin, you can feel that static. We've all felt that before. And also that smell of the thunderstorm. Now, being down here in South Florida, I totally, you know, identify with that. I know exactly what he's talking about. But again, that's that like that electrically charged type of feel in the air. so all pointing to some type of power source that was being used at that moment.

And interestingly enough, not included in that statement that I played here, he also spoke about how his phone overheated. So it's like his phone was being powered remotely, if you will, through this power source that he was standing under from this craft. He said his phone became very hot and actually couldn't even use it. Like it shut off, it became so overpowered. And it wouldn't work for a few minutes until, like, cooled down. He was able to turn it back on.

So all of this is happening. All this has spoken about. And that was just how it played for me while this was going on in even after the testimony. But again, just absolutely remarkable moment during Tyler Borland's testimony and answering the questions back and forth with the congressional members there. And they actually had another moment here that I want to get to before we get to Eric Burlson's big moment. during the hearing and my backstory there. And I told you this was a packed episode. There's so much to go through.

So I love going through all this with you. So hopefully you were enjoying this as well. It was a big day. It was a really big day. But this was also a big moment during this big day where Tyler Burland had this back and forth with Nancy Mace. And she asked him, and rightfully so, the question that it was on everybody's mind,

could this have been U.S. technology? What if this was some type of secret U.S. technology that was being used that you just weren't supposed to see? And I thought the back and forth here was extremely interesting. You have to kind of read between the lines a little bit, but pay close attention because I think there's actually an answer in here. Here's what this sounded like between Tyler Borland and Nancy Mace. And do you think that, in your opinion, that the Equilateral Triangle was the U.S. government's technology? I did once upon a time, but

knowing what I know now, I'll have to answer that question is Skiff, probably. Well, my next question is you teased us, so knowing what you know now means what? I know enough to know that if you want an answer to that question, go to Arrow. They have the answer. Do you think it was a foreign government?

I do not. No. Well, then. Doesn't think it's a foreign government. You have to go to Arrow. He used to think it was ours, but he can't answer without being in a skiff and suggested going to Arrow to get the answer. So I beg this question. I will pose this question to you, my dear listener, friend.

If this is not U.S. technology, like he said, he thought once upon a time that it was, and if it's not, he said straight up no to foreign technology, then what does that leave? So it's almost like, and credit to Nancy Mason, her line of question, for this to kind of get an answer without actually having him answer, right? I mean, there's a skill to that, and she's pretty good at it. So I will give her points for that for sure. But it does seem like that happened. He couldn't answer directly without being in a skiff.

He said he used to think it was U.S. technology, and then answered her question about whether or not it was foreign adversaries. And he says no to that. So that really only leaves one option in my mind. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but it seems pretty cut and dry. And they even said this during the hearing. A couple of representatives said this. That it's either alien-related, non-human.

It's either human or it's something that can be explained, right? Something prosaic that can be explained. Or it's U.S. technology that has been reverse engineer from something or a secret program. One or the other. And if it's not U.S. technology and it's not an avioreaic, and it's not something that can be explained prosaic, that leaves only one of those options. So I have to ask the question, and I know this is a hypothetical, are we talking about Tyler Borland revealing without revealing that what he saw, he believes in his experience as

part of a special access program? Again, they had someone on the stand who was part of a special access program, in his experience, did he just reveal without actually saying it directly that what he sees or what he thinks he saw was an actual alien craft piloted by non-humans? I'm just, it's hard not to take that away from it. That was my takeaway. Maybe I'm reaching. Maybe I'm stretching it too much. It's up to you.

But that was my takeaway from that line of questioning and the answers that he gave. And obviously, everybody thinks about the TR3B, of course. You know, that legendary craft is that what he saw or some variation of it? But again, he says he doesn't think it was U.S. craft. So I don't know. Make up your own mind. Maybe you don't think he was, you know, right about anything. It's completely up to you.

But I can tell you, being in that room, this, this. This dude was dead serious. I mean, he was visibly shaking. I was pretty much sitting right behind him. I was in the second row and he was just diagonal to my left. In front of me was Matthew Brown and Jeremy Corbell and then Tyler Borland. That was, if I look diagonal to my left at like 10 o'clock, that was Tyler Borland. And I'm looking at him visibly shaking during his line of questioning.

He was not. obviously very excited about doing this. But it was, I believe, just from everything that I've heard, David Grush very much helped along in bringing Tyler Borland in and convincing him that this was the right thing to do and kind of getting him over that finish line, if you will, to testify in front of Congress about this. But he was nervous.

Boy, was he nervous. And I can't blame him. So that's, that was my observation. If you're going to be lying about something, then why would you be that nervous? Now you could say, well, maybe he's just telling what he thinks is the truth. That could be another thing. But his story and the way that he told it and his disposition, as he was telling it, it was quite the moment to be in that room and witness that as he told that incredible story of that unbelievable sighting with this craft and the effects that it left and what he saw, the details surrounding it,

and put that together with what Wiggins spoke about, with what Jeff Nusatelli spoke about. And George Knapp, by the way, was fantastic. I don't have a lot of sound from him, but he was just dropping knowledge bombs left and right. They're asking for names. They're asking for locations and what kind of documentation he's got in the past, and he's just giving names left and right.

And the history of the entire phenomenon, he was just outstanding to watch and listen to. So two thumbs up to George Knapp as well. He was great. wish I had more time to talk to him. It was very brief. I got to say hello and that was really it. But maybe I'll have more of an opportunity in the future. But with all that in mind, that brings us to the Eric Burleson moment, the video. Now, I'm going to play the clip here first, and then I'm going to give you the backstory and what was going on here. This is when

Eric Burleson introduced to the world the video that shows a hellfire missile, making impact with what we can say is an unidentified flying object. We don't know what it was. And seemingly, seemingly not having the full effect that a missile would normally have. Here's how this sounded. And I've had it. Enough is enough. I want to queue up a video that I've been given.

And as before it starts, I'm going to describe this was taken October 30th of 2024. This video is of an MQ9 drone tracking an orb or this object off the coast of Yemen. You'll see that another MQ9 launched a hellfire missile. And I'm not going to explain it to you. You'll see exactly what it does. And what it did was what we just spoke about. And I'm sure you've seen the video by now. But if you haven't, it's literally everywhere.

If you just go to YouTube and it probably ends honestly showing up on your front page before you even have to type anything in. But if you do have to search, you would just put in Eric Burleson UFO video. I mean, it'll pop right up. I have it on my Twitter at UA Podcast 850 and on TikTok, and I believe I put it on YouTube as well. So if you just search, you know, UAP podcast on any of those platforms,

then you'll find me and you'll find it where I took the video live as it happened in the hearing room, and I was able to live update this in real time. and it was my pleasure to do that. Literally two minutes after that video ended, I was able to have it out on Twitter to show to all of you that incredible moment, that wow moment. That was the big wow moment,

aside from the other testimonies, which of course were a very big deal to have that all under oath, to have a city member of Congress and Eric Burleson who, kudos to him. That dude has got a set of stones on him, I must say, for being so out there in front of this

and for being willing to put this video out there. That is not an easy thing to do at all. As a podcaster or a city member of Congress, I mean, as an investigative podcaster, I can say doing something like that is scary because you don't know what the blowback is going to be like. So as a city member of Congress, I can only imagine what it's like. So massive, massive kudos for him for putting that out there for everybody to see and make up their own minds. And of course, it has been scrutinized to the T the second after he put it out. And everybody has to... has an opinion on it.

And of course, you can make up your own mind on what you think is presented in that video. But according to, you know, the initial reactions anyway, it reportedly shows this missile making impact with the UFO. And then three or debris, whatever it was, that come out from behind it, and then follow along in the wake of this craft, as it seemingly still moves along filmed by an MQ9 Reaper drone.

And it's still going on. over the sea off the coast of Yemen, seemingly unaffected. Now, there is more to the video that has been confirmed. There is more to the video than what we saw. So the question is, how does this video end? Does it continue to go along and show that it was totally unaffected? Or are we seen an optical illusion for something that is prosaic and then it ends up crashing into the sea and we don't see that until the end of the video?

We don't know. what we know is what we saw and we can only make conjecture and base our theories based off of the video that we were presented. Will we get the rest of the video? I hope so, but I don't know. But that was truly a remarkable moment in every sense of the word when that video was presented in real time to the members of Congress, to everyone in attendance, and to the witnesses who had not seen it yet. Now, that takes me to the behind the scenes knowledge on this. I can tell you they hadn't seen it yet because only a select few people even knew that video was going to be played.

I was one of them. How did I know that? Well, again, I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, if you remember on Monday before I left for DC, I dropped a little hint and I said, there's going to be some surprises. Or there might be some surprises. I think it was the term I used. So keep an ear out and an eye out for that. that video was the surprise I was referring to. I'm not going to go into specifics about how I knew about this,

but what I will tell you is that it was some, it was knowledge that was passed along to me from someone who had intimate knowledge and clearance. Okay, I don't want you to think that this was done behind anybody's back. They had perfectly fine clearance to relate this information to me. someone on the with with with inside information very deep inside intimate information that this was going to be played and they let me know this I wasn't seeking this information I was trusted with it I was told about it in a conversation before the hearing a few days before the hearing

and the words that were spoken to me were I'm going to tell you about this because I know you leak it. And I'm like, dang it. I want to tell everyone that this is going to happen. But of course, I knew that would compromise the entire thing. And I knew the importance of this. And so this was on my mind since pretty much the weekend-ish, a few days before the hearing, that this video was going to be played. And, man, it was so

hard for me. But again, I knew the importance. I had a duty at that point to keep it to myself. And I understood that. so that I understood that mission, if you will, the importance behind this to not say a word to anyone that this video, I knew in detail what the video was, that this missile was going to hit this UAP craft, that these three things follow behind it, that the UFO kept going, that it was given to Eric from an anonymous source. All the details that have come out about this thing, the video itself and the details afterward, were made known to me a few days before the hearing.

But I'm telling you this not to brag. I'm telling you to let you know that this was something that was entrusted to me. And it was something that I kept to myself until it was put out there. So I'm telling you also in the interest of full transparency on my end. I'm all about transparency, right? We all in full disclosure, right? We all want disclosure. So I'm telling you I don't want to hide any secrets.

I just can't go into full detail where it came from specifically. but just so you know the full behind the scenes, this information was passed along to me before it happened. And it was extremely hard for me not to tell you about it beforehand. But I was very glad. Because also I was hesitant. I'm like, well, shoot, what if something changes last minute, right? I mean, like, that could happen too.

What if this video can't be shown? What if it didn't pass any type of some type of clearances? And then it's taken off the shelf. So in the best interest of everything, I decided pretty much right then and there once it was passed along to me that I should not say a word and I'm glad I didn't because it had the effect that it was intended to have

which was surprise here it is and now I'm glad that everybody was like a weight off my chest once it came out and like finally everybody can see this and know about it now because I had to hold that in for a few days and I can breathe it was a lot to hold in So it's out there now.

Think of it what you will. I know it's been picked apart. I know some people call it garbage. I know some people say it's definitive proof and there's a lot of opinions in between. So make of it what you will on this video. And like I said, if you haven't seen it, I took it live in the moment. You can check that out at UA Podcast 850 on the social media channels. And just generally anywhere on YouTube as well, if you haven't seen that video yet.

But how does this all end? Well, there's a couple of statements that actually bring this to an end, and it actually physically ended with Eric Burleson. He had one of the final words here before Annapolina Luna closed things out, and I just thought this was so well said at the end of this hearing, which lasted over two and a half hours, actually, thinking back on it. Here's what Eric had to say to bring things to a close, which was followed, as you'll hear, by a huge round of applause.

If the American people want to see answers, we need action. We've had the hearings. It's time to take action. It's time that we pass Tim Burchett's whistleblower act. It's time that we pass the UAP Disclosure Act. We've had a lot of talk about this. It's time for action. Thank you, Brousin.

Yeah, there you go. I was one of the ones clapping for sure. Everybody was clapping in that room. Extremely well said there. And well done by everybody involved with the House Oversight Committee, with the special task force, the Secrets Task Force there. It's not easy to do these things. In fact, Eric Burleson says it himself because I was able to catch up with him right after

the hearing. Boy, what a crowd it was. After the hearing was over, trying, my mission was to get in front of Eric Burleson. So to paint the picture here, there's a ton of people. Like, it's shoulder to shoulder. You can't move inside the hearing room. People are trying to get out. people are pushing to get in for interviews.

The witnesses had already left. Everybody let them clear out first, but they wanted to get in front of Luna. They wanted to get in front of Burleson. And it was just a massive crowd. People wanted pictures with Danny Sheehan or with Jaime Malson or with UAP Gerb. I mean, we're with Jeremy Corbell. I mean, there was picture taking. There was meet and greets.

There was interviews. And you could barely move anywhere. It was like being inside of a packed elevator. And so it was a lot of hustle and bustle in that moment. The moment's immediately. following the hearing. And my mission at that point was to get in front of Eric Burleson. So I could get an interview for you, an exclusive interview, to get his instant reaction to what just happened. And after he did a couple of other interviews for TV, I kind of looked

at one of his, someone on his team there. Shout out to Nate, incredible guy, worked so well with me. And I really appreciate all his help. He was fantastic. So shout out to Nate and the Burleson team. They were fantastic. And I said, hey, look, I kind of like signaled, just put up one finger. And I'm like, mouthing to him. Can I just get one minute with Eric, like before he leaves? And he gave me the thumbs up. And I kind of had to push my way through the crowd a little bit and say, you know, can we do it now?

And they gave me the thumbs up. Sure, let's go. So this was guerrilla media. I took out my phone. There's nothing fancy. And we did this 90-second interview. If you didn't see it, if you didn't hear it on social media, I'm going to play it for you right now. Here was Eric Burleson's instant reaction, literally about 10 minutes after the hearing was over between this interview with him and myself.

Hey guys, Stephen Deiner here, UAP, live from Capitol Hill with Representative Eric Burleson. The hearing just ended on UAPs. And Eric, great job. Amazing. You showed the video of the egg-shaped UAP getting hit and nothing happened by that half-fire missiles. So what was your reaction now that that's out there for me to see that. For me, it's a relief to get that out there. You know, there was a lot of stress involved in a decision matrix and whether or not what to do with this. And look, I'm being very vulnerable to the American people.

I don't know. This video may be faked. It may be AI. It may be something that's just very prosaic. But I just want the American people to know that I'm just, rather than sit on it and try to gatekeep it, I'm going to be fully transparent. And I think that we need to have that posture. a posture of be transparent until we know we have to classify those.

Were you satisfied with today now that's all said and done? Yes. I mean, building up these hearings, there's a ton of work. And I thought Anna did a fantastic job. Last question, and I'll let you go. What are the chances that the subpoenas do happen from the Oversight Committee towards Shanker Patrick or anybody else involved with covering this secret up? We'll see.

Anna, I think, is a bulldog. I think she's going to pursue what's necessary. And so we'll see. Representative Burleson right here, Stephen Deiner, UAP. Thanks, guys. Now, for full context on that last question, why I asked about the subpoenas towards Sean Kirkpatrick,

who, of course, former director of Arrow, and as these are Anna Paulina Luna's words, known liar. That's how she introduced him on the record. She said, former Arrow director, Sean Kirkpatrick Patrick is a known liar. Please make sure that is on the record. And she kept calling him kill Patrick.

So that's what was going on inside the room there during the hearing. I was like, wait a minute, is she saying Kilpatrick? So no love loss there. And I know she echoes a lot of the same sentiments that we do here in the UAP community. He did a huge disservice to the conversation and to the investigations and to whistleblowers, who we mentioned earlier about being so important that they get those protections. And so that question came up during the line of questioning. I forget which representative brought it up, but they said, you know, would we be willing to subpoena Sean Kirkpatrick?

And she said she would love to do it. So I don't know if that's going to happen or the subpoenas to anybody else. I mean, that has to go through the actual House Oversight Committee, not the Secrets Task Force. They do not have subpoena power. That is the important distinction there. It has to go through the full committee. So like Eric said, we'll see. I wouldn't put too much hope in that. But I could be wrong. hopefully it happens. It's certainly something that they want to do. That is for sure. So as we close out here,

I will just say that this was an unbelievable experience. It meant the world to me that I was able to be there for you. To be able to report on these things live, to be able to gauge the reactions and experience all these things as they happened, to be a part of the process. And that's something that I didn't even think about until I got back until it was over.

It hit me that I really am a part of this process. And that wasn't even something that I was trying to do or trying to be. I've just always wanted to bring you what was happening. The stories, you know, whether they are from a long time ago or from last week, the interviews, the people who are telling the stories and bring all of the details to you so you could always make up your own mind. but it has kind of become something now where I'm kind of in the middle of this and that really didn't hit me until after everything was all said and done. So that's something that has been settling in for me that this is a part of a process that now I'm kind of part of. And again, I don't say that in a braggadocious way.

I say that in the most humble way possible that I just continue to try to do my best and being part of this process and trying to push these things forward. and also to bring it to you so that we can all be a part of it together. And that's something that I really took away after this hearing was over. That was one of the big takeaways for me personally as it was able to sit and reflect on all of this. So thank you for that. And thank you to everybody who was able to contribute, by the way. This took a lot for me to do. I wasn't sure if I was going to go to this hearing for a lot of different reasons,

you know, just personal schedules and finances and things like that. And on the finance part, I'm always able to figure it out somehow. But it was just, you know, look, things get tight, right? We've all been there. We're all there at certain times. And that was really one of the things that I was trying to figure out, can I do this? Is this going to be possible? I really wanted to be able to make this work.

And I was given the idea on social media to say, why don't you shout out to Daniel. You know who you are. He gave me this idea. I never thought about it. And I was given the idea, why don't you crowdsource this? And it didn't, that idea has never really sat right with me because I don't want to ask people to help. I know that sounds terrible, but I really don't ask for help. Like with this show, everything with UAP is 100% I do it on my own.

Everything, every aspect of it from start to finish. Because I don't want to ask for help. I want to be able to do it on my own. And that's probably the wrong way to go about things, but I'm just stubborn that way. But I said, you know what? Maybe I need to get over my own pride and ask for some help so I could try to make this happen to be a part of this and get it out there for you and get out there to you. And I did that. It was hard for me to do.

I've never done something like that before to put out like a crowdsource thing through GoFund me. That link I put out before I left on the trip. So thanks to everybody who donated to that. It's been incredible. I never honestly expected to get more than maybe like a few dollars. if anybody was going to do anything at all. But it's been incredible to see the generosity. So thank you so much for that.

I'm going to close that out in the next couple of days. So I don't know if you want to help contribute toward it. Towards getting all this done with the trip and getting all this information and the interviews and everything that went into making this happen. I'll have it up there for the next couple of days, but I'm going to take it down soon because I just, you know, I only want to keep it off.

as long as necessary. So if there's anything that you feel like, hey, you know what? Appreciate what you did. Then by all means, if you feel like you want to, up to you. If not, also that's completely fine. But the link is there on my Twitter at UA Podcast 850. If you want to do that, totally up to you. But like I said, I'm going to get rid of that in the next couple of days because it's,

it's going to run its course and it's serving its purpose. I appreciate that incredibly by everybody who's able to contribute to that. I never expected it, and it's very humbling to see everybody who's able to help out with that. So thank you. Again, that's not easy for me to do or to say, but it really means a lot. So thank you to everybody who did that. But we'll end today with this final word from Jeff Nusatelli. And I mentioned before that I was going to come back to him later on, because I thought what

he said at the end, this was actually at the end of his closing statement. So this was towards the beginning of the hearing. But I thought it was just so well said that it deserved to be the end of the actual show here today. So I saved this one part for the final moment of this episode of UAP, this special episode to fully recap from start to finish the hearing that took place. Here's this clip from Jeff Newsatelli to close things out today. protect the witnesses. Many stay silent out of fear for their careers, reputations, and the safety of their families.

Protect them, and you will emboldened others to join this cause. That's it. That's exactly right. Protect the witnesses. If we get more protection for witnesses and for whistleblowers, you will have so many more. Maybe it's not nothing, nothing's ever going to be 100%, but you'll have so many more who feel more. more comfortable now like somebody has their back.

Protect the witnesses who have come out like Tyler Borland, like Jeff Nusatelli, like Chief Alexandra Wiggins, and in the past with David Fravor and Ryan Graves, all the witnesses and who haven't even come out publicly through congressional testimony, like Roderick Castle, like Michael Herrera, like D.C. Long. Protect the witnesses who have come out before and who are thinking about coming out. Jason Sands is another one that comes to mind. So many men and women have come out to speak about this and so many more want to come out and speak about this.

And they have that hesitation and probably rightfully so to have that hesitation about how is this going to affect my life and my family's life? If we protect the witnesses and the whistleblowers, more action will be done and we'll get closer and closer to getting the truth out there, whatever that truth is. So thank you to you for listening here today.

Thank you to the brave witnesses who came forward at the congressional hearing. And thank you for always coming back here on UAP. There'll be much more to come next time for episode 157. I know this one was a doozy. It was a lot to put together and a lot to recap, but I wanted to give you that full experience as I experienced it. It was unforgettable in a word. That is for sure.

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