UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 158 Through the Eyes of Hazel - A First Hand Experiencer Account

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Introducing, Hazel. Stephen Diener sits down with an Australian woman named Hazel who has lived her life questioning some of the supernatural experiences she has gone through, which includes a face to face encounter with multiple aliens. What are some of the answers she has since found out? And what were the messages she was given? All of this and more right now in what is truly a compelling and maybe even chilling conversation...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Thanks for joining. Always very much appreciated. And today's can be a little bit different, a little bit of a different feel from the most previous episodes. Of course, I've been covering the congressional hearing pretty hard and rightfully so. It was a very significant hearing with a lot of, significant details, including, of course, the Eric Burlson video and of the UAP getting shot by the Hellfire missile. And then we saw the effects, which were not much, aside from the three

orbs that popped out of the back. I do have more information on that video, by the way. I do have new details on that. But I'm not going to get into that right now. So we're going to take a break from that end of things and come back to that in a couple of days here on the podcast. But because first I want to kind of break it up and get into some experiencer stories, some more of the supernatural phenomenon side of things. Now, of course, say UAP getting hit by a missile that was meant for a tank and not being affected by it, that's pretty incredible and pretty darn supernatural. If you ask me, what the heck is that?

We don't know. But, again, I'll cover that again at a later date with some of the new details that I've learned about that video, which I confirmed here a couple days ago to be a real video. off of the DoD Network. So make of it what you will, but I do have more on that in the coming days. But today we're going to talk about and talk to someone named Hazel. And Hazel is someone that's just to give a quick backstory before you hear from her. She is someone that I've been talking to for the past two months, I want to say.

Behind the scenes, emails, phone calls, messages. We've been talking about her experiences and what she's gone through. and some of the things that she's taken away from it and how she has been able to apply her own scientific expertise to the situation. And I was also excited about doing this interview is because Hazel is not a well-known name. She's not a UFO celebrity, if you will.

She's a normal everyday person like you and I. And I think it's important to bring on normal everyday people like you and I who have these experiences and may not have an outlet to put them out there because they feel like they're going to be ostracized or looked at funny. And I'm glad that she reached out to me here. And I'm happy to be able to present her and her story to you today. And it's pretty incredible stuff.

And at first, you might think to yourself, and we actually talk about this during the episode, you might think to yourself, this is kind of a little bit maybe in the woo-woo category, as they like to say. And we touch on that and why it's important, even if you feel that way. to still have these discussions. It's incredible stuff. I hope you can listen to it with an open mind and take it all in because Hazel has really quite the story to tell here.

And I'm excited to finally bring it to you. Also, the fact that she's in Australia made the scheduling a little bit difficult, which we talk about right here at the beginning as well. So we're going with the experiencer stories here today. Enjoy myself with Hazel. Sit back and get ready for this one. Coming at you right now.

Enjoy. So this is something that I've been waiting to do for a while here on UAP. I'm excited to join or have Hazel join us here on UAP. Hazel is an experiencer. She has an incredible story that has pretty much spanned her entire life. We've been talking for a while, and I'm happy to bring her on here now officially to talk to you about what she has gone through in her life. Hazel, thanks for coming on to UAP.

I'm excited about this. Thank you for having me on. I'm beyond excited to be here and really grateful that we could make this work. Yeah. Australia and America. Yes, exactly. It's something that we've been working on for a while to figure out the time difference between us. But it finally worked out today, so I'm happy to have you.

So we'll dig right into it. First off, just a little bit about you. Like, what's happened in your life before? the UAP experiences. Like, where were you? What was going on? What was your, like, career background? And then kind of go from there.

Yeah, sure. So ever since I was really, really little, truth be told, I've been absolutely petrified at the dark. I don't ever remembering not being scared of the dark. And everyone sort of says, oh, that's such a normal kid thing to experience. But when I was about seven, I think it was, I moved to a new house.

It was two-story. And every single night, I'd have my parents have a light on in the hallway. So my, like, try and picture my bedroom. I'm lying in my bed. I can see out my door, but the light is shining down from the hall. Sure. And sometimes I would see these figures, these long, really long figures, casting a shadow, which is what it would cast if the sun was.

sort of behind you, a long shadow. And they would be walking back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And when I got up in the middle of the night to look down the hallway, petrified, I couldn't see anything. And I even sort of had my dad come and sit with me and he couldn't see what I was seeing. And I just remember feeling really alone in those moments as a child. On top of that, I also always needed my parents to put me to sleep with the television on. So I needed some sort of noise to get to sleep.

And then what would always happen is I'd wake up in the night. and then automatically feel uneasy that something was around me or was going to get me, and I could never really explain. It just was always with me. And obviously I'll get into the story later, but that was with me right up until I was 32 years old, that fear. Wow. Yeah. I met like such a really, like it's sad when I think back because the days I would wake up, to be honest with you, I'd wake up, be grateful that it was the morning.

and then the whole day would pass and then I would start to get really anxious at night time that that was coming. So just something at night was just something about that more than just like a normal fear where anybody has afraid or a fear of the dark or a phobia, something more than that? Yeah, and I would hear before I would see these figures,

we had a two-story house and I know the sound of someone coming up the stairs. I'd hear the footsteps before I would see the figures. I'd also hear lights, which is flicking, newspapers, turning. And I know that, like I know now, after doing all this research and study I've done in my life, that I don't believe I was making that up. I believe that that's what I was hearing and that's what I was experiencing. So then I was about nine years old and unfortunately my mum and dad split up.

And I went through domestic violence. and unfortunately I was a national gymnast and my gymnasties coach was an abuser. And then not only that, I was being bullied at primary school at the time. So every place that I existed in at that time was a place of unsafe. I remember getting out of the shower one morning and I heard a voice in my head. And it was my voice, but it was talking at me rather than me creating the eye-generated thoughts that I normally do. Like, I'm going to get in the shower and I'm going to. And it was specifically,

if you don't tap that doorknob three times you're going to have a bad day today. So what did I do? I wouldn't tap the door knob three times. And then what I noticed was this voice got louder and more consistent so I had to skip steps or mum was going to die or if I didn't go and touch a blade of grass

out in the middle of this weird lawn that my dad was going to die. This weird control over my existence and that later developed into an eating disorder and then later developed into what parents understand in Australia I don't know what you call it in America, but postnatal anxiety, which for me was intrusive visions of harming my child. And those experience to me were just wild because I wasn't, in my opinion, self-generating.

I didn't want to think those things. I didn't want to experience those voices. I didn't want to do the things that the voice was telling me to do. But yet I still felt I wanted to listen because it was the only way to sort of, I suppose, control my environment. And so that leads me to what I went and studied at university. So I finished school and I went and did a Bachelor of Behavioral Neuroscience because I wanted to understand more about what was going on for me. And was I, you know, quote unquote, crazy?

And the more I sort of lent into this, I just, I can't stop trying to understand neurochemistry, vibrations, atoms, frequency. and then what I did find, I believe in the whole journey is understanding scientifically why I did hear those voices, what those voices could actually be, why they were in second person and not first person. And also, once I went through my awakening at 32, why those voices stopped saying really negative things and started saying really beautiful things. Yeah, so that's really interesting because one of the things that struck me when we first started talking about. when you reached out to me was your background, not only, of course, your story as far as supernatural experiences and UAP experiences, but your career background to hear that, you know, this is a field that you studied as far as neuroscience and having to have an understanding

about essentially how the brain works, right? You're trying to figure out more about yourself. You knew that it wasn't normal to hear these things. You don't understand why you were hearing them, but you're trying to figure it out. So that part of your story actually really, really struck me as being unique. You don't hear that a lot where it kind of leads you to a road of, well, let me study my brain, really, let me study the chemistry of the brain to figure out what's happening. And so that it lended a really unique sense of like backgrounds to your experiences, I thought. And so when I hear you, you say that, how does that then connect to what you started to experience later on in life

now that you have all this knowledge behind everything? Oh, adding on to that, so once I finished my degree, I did a diploma of teaching. So I became a secondary school teacher and actually went on and taught maths and science and psychology and biology to secondary school students, which is important in the story, I believe, as to what I do now in my public life, trying to actually teach adults. about consciousness and aliens and how it's possible that this is all actually true. So obviously I feel like I got this sort of, yeah, like you said, background study. And then when I, after I had my awakening, which I'm not going to go too much into that sort

of spiritual story that happened there on my podcast. The fourth episode is actually about that whole experience. I have three nights of the dark night of the soul where I had. demonic attack and among other things and I sort of go deep into that which is not something that on your podcast I think I should open some few portal right here. So yeah, the podcast is called Beyond the Human and it's still coming out but I don't know when people are listening to this but it will be out at hopefully by the end of September. Perfect. Okay. Anyway, so after my awakening, I heard a voice. I got out of the shower very similarly

to the early story when I'm nine and I stood in the mirror. waiting to pick at myself, you know, the voices that I would hear that you're not good enough, you're not pretty enough, all those things. And I heard a voice and actually said, you know, you are beautiful and you have a beautiful voice because as we haven't discussed yet, I'm a singer-songwriter and I have been singing since I was 16, writing music since I was young and obviously lost the dream, which I believe is due to the programming, which we can always talk about later. But I had this voice telling me, like, you have a story. Why aren't you sharing it with the world? And I started to question my career path, what I was doing with my life.

Sadly, I looked at my husband at the time and I'm like, you don't even understand me. So within two months after this awakening, I left my husband, my town, and my career. I started releasing music. I was on my own and I felt so empowered. I wasn't scared of the darken which meant I wasn't trapped by fear anymore. It's my whole life changed. And so everyone would understand then, if you think about frequency, I would suggest that at that time I'd released all this fear, which I believe is low vibrational.

And I believe then I was vibrating on, say, a higher frequency. So I'd gone from like demonic 101, you know, FM radio to Angelic 101. And therefore was receiving information. from, you know, that field, like that was empowering me to do more. And I was sitting on my couch. I had a six-month-old baby and I was breastfeeding. And we had a TV on at the time because I watched television then. And I had ABC Kids on, which is an Australian, like, kids show.

And when it finished at 7 o'clock, it always went into this show called Spicks and Specks, which is an Australian music game show. and the guy Adam who hosted started talking and then as he started talking he then he was like welcome to the show and his whole voice started speaking backwards and then anyone who's about my age which is in my 30s would remember the television where you had to pull out like the button and then the whole screen would collapse and into like a little dot and go disappear right so the screen did that and then the screen did that and then the screen image started spinning and then the credits were played upside down and there was a message that come through and I know it sounds weird and cliche to do it like this but this is what it sounds like said do your homework internet do your homework and then the whole screen collapsed again spun and then the show picked up from where it had left off and I was seeing there and this is interesting because after listening to the congressional hearing I think it was

Nusateli explained oh no am I doing ball and after his experience his whole body was buzzing. And the same thing happened to me. I'm sitting in there on the couch and hearing that account and sitting there was feeling into my experience. It's the same thing. All my hairs were standing on end. I felt this like a buzz.

And it's a similar in the other encounter that I had, which I will express on here as well. And again, I sat there in complete confusion as to what had just transpired in my lounge room. And I was awake, fully not on any drugs. I haven't taken any drugs. I want to preface that too. I'm purely just sitting there in my laundry and breastfeeding my child.

So after that happened, obviously, you know, you try to figure out what the heck is going on. You're trying to process all of this. What do you attribute that to? Have you been able to figure out what happened that night? And I mean, it's obviously incredibly strange. I mean, there's no other way to say it to. experience something like that. So why do you think that happened? What do you think it was connected to? Okay. So the way I sort of explain it to people is this. If I was to touch you on your skin right now,

you would be warm, wouldn't you? Yeah. So if I had a thermal imaging camera, like I had goggles on, I'd be able to see your thermal aura. Sure. So you're broadcasting a frequency. And as a radio host would understand you broadcast a frequency, but a frequency also can be. then be received by anything that has that frequency, that antenna that receives that signal length. Do you agree? Sure. So if I'm broadcasting a frequency, then I'm able to receive the same frequency in return. So to add on to this, they've done studies now and proven scientifically that our DNA in our cells creates this fractal globular. It's like a big ball of DNA and it's not in it. It's actually there's a double helix twist that goes on and if you keep twisting it'll eventually

twist up on itself in this pattern. They've tested that DNA under certain construction, so in a certain shape, can conduct electricity. So whether, like this is how I've put it together. So I'm broadcasting a frequency. I can then receive a frequency. And, you know, with the electromagnetic spectrum, I'm not sure how familiar you are with it, but the radio waves are on there, TV waves, microwaves, x-rays. We have gamma rays.

And then it gets so small and high that we can't detect it anymore. But it goes down to the atomic level, those frequencies. We have subtle frequencies all around us. If we could see them, you and I wouldn't even be able to see each other because they're everywhere. So I believe that our body, our DNA is an antenna, a fractal antenna, in fact, just like your phone. and it's able to receive a giant bandwidth of information. And so therefore, that particular night, after my awakening, vibing extremely high, feeling really grateful about life.

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So that was a lot. Yes, it's incredible, obviously, to consider and to think about how you were able to possibly receive this message, you know, through some type of frequency. how you're able to receive that frequency, right? Obviously, some people may be able to, maybe some people aren't open to it or can't or haven't learned how to. So where do things go from there? Like, is that the last time something happens?

Because I don't think it was. No, it wasn't. So probably would have been about, and this is what I love, is the next story that leads me into more of the neuroscience of how these things are possible. I went to bed and I just went to bed like any other normal person and went to sleep. Now, many of you out there listening, I know that there have been a few people that have

spoken about lucid dreaming before, but I was an avid lucid dreamer as a child and meaning that I was able to be in control of my dreams to the point where I only spoke to you about a really recent one I had the other night, which was, yeah, a little bit more on the scary side. However, I was in this dream and I became aware that I was. I was in the dream and I was on a motorcycle, but I heard a voice come, like, ballowing around me, and it wasn't mine. It was a deep, like, male voice, and it said, you are at one with the universe. And it threw me off the motorbike, and in that moment I felt myself in my bed,

so I could feel consciously myself in my bed, and then I left through my chest, like a chest portal where my heart is. And I felt like all it felt like was wind, as if on my human body I had wind. flowing through my face and my hair, but I knew I wasn't in my body per se. And what I saw was what I would see on Back to the Future, which was like a portal of lights, like flashing past me really, really fast. And then it stopped, like a halt. And then I heard a language that I could not, for the life of me, understand, but at the same time as the language was being spoken, these neon geometric patterns of the most intricate detail or flying in my, like, vision. And I said,

in my head telepathically, I don't understand this, you're going to have to show me. And at that moment, I popped up in a spaceship. Now, when I'm standing in this spaceship, it's like reality. It was physical. It's so hard to explain. These green aliens were there with these kind of like ears and like the almond-shaped dark eyes, but no mouth and two slits as a nose. And they spoke to me. hear it in my head just like I hear my thoughts. Yeah. And they said, take off your helmet. I'm like, I didn't even know I was wearing one.

So I took this helmet off. And to give more reality to the story, I've said this to you as well. I could breathe. But the breathing wasn't like it is on earth. The gas that I was breathing in felt really dense in my chest. Like I explained it. I saw a video once of a man taking Zenon on earth, which is the densest noble gas that you can breathe in.

Yeah. When we're in helium, we talk and our voice, guess I pitch like this? But when you take in Zenin, because it's denser than oxygen, it actually takes your voice really low and you can die from doing it because your lungs have trouble like pushing the air back out, if that makes sense. Sure. So this is what was happening to me, a very physical experience in this experience. And then they said to me, turn to look in the window.

And because it was so real and I could breathe, I was essentially expecting to turn and look in the window and see me as Hazel standing in the window, but I actually saw me as a green alien. And it was the most, in that moment, it was like a million downloads at once, the most profound experience. I knew in that moment that I'm not the meat suit

that I am existing in this lifetime. I am a multi-dimensional, like, energy source that is capable of existing in different planes of reality potentially. That sounds a lot. But in that moment, it always came to me. Because obviously I'd been like sort of, what's the word, intrigued by aliens and the stars ever since I was little too, you know, just my dad is the one that sort of brought me to them.

So. Yeah, sorry. No, no, I was just going to say on a couple of things actually real quick. So just to make clear, this was the same night that you heard that message on the TV where the screen flipped or was it different? No, this was like about two or three weeks later. Okay, okay, okay. So a couple weeks after that. Yeah.

And then when you hear the message, you take your helmet off, was that a helmet that you were wearing in the lucid dream on the motorcycle? Or is this like a space helmet? I know that sounds kind of weird. like an hour. I haven't never thought. I just popped into my head as you were talking about take the helmet off. I have never. Why was I wearing a helmet?

That wouldn't make so much sense. So I couldn't, I couldn't confirm or deny which. It is interesting though because it actually, it might connect, right? Yeah. It might connect to,

now we can assume, take your helmet off. We think about, you know, you're in a Martian airspace. and you have an astronaut helmet on and that's what we think about, right? Yeah, it was transported from where I was.

Right, maybe it was actually a direct transportation from this lucid dream, whatever was happening to you in that moment where you would get thrown off this motorcycle, it's possible that it's all happening at once. Is it? Yes. And you have a motorcycle.

That's really interesting. Yeah. Cool. Thanks for that. Thanks for putting, like, putting, more questions into my mind. I've been like we need any more, I know, but it's... Yeah, sure.

There are a probe away. Yeah, interesting. I'll have to sit with that now. So I'll finish this bit. So when I turned back around to them and I'd had all that download of information, I said to them, self-pathically, I think I've learned what I needed to learn from coming here. They took me over to this circle, like on the ground.

and it said the last time you were here, you were two, just like above it. And interestingly, I have all these dreams as a kid falling back into my body, which would jolt me away in these lucid dreams. So they told you you were there as a child? You saw that then, and you didn't really have any knowledge of it before seeing that? Nope. Wow. Which then makes me think, is this part of the reason why I was so petrified as a kid?

Like, what was I experiencing before? I even had memories of existence, you know? Yeah. So then on the way down back to my body, it was slow. It wasn't fast like it wasn't the way up. And what I really remember was this like really intense buzzing sound like really high pitched. And I found myself hovering over my body like a near death experience, what people I've read now, NDEs are like, I couldn't get in. And all I remember hearing is like slow down.

So I started like in my conscious mind going humming in the next minute. I jolted into my body. Like it was like a jolt. I knew I was in. And this song was playing Uncle Cracker. Follow me. Everything is all right. But it wasn't just playing in my head.

I have a hey Google in my kitchen outside my bedroom. And it was playing in my kitchen. I had to physically get up at 3 a.m. in the morning and go and tell Hey Google to stop playing the song. And that to me, again, the buzzing, my body, everything, I was just, to me, it was like a connection piece between the two worlds. Yeah, right. Like a goodbye message or like a see you soon. Hey, follow me. Everything is all right.

So strange. Like, what are the chances of that? That starts playing in the middle of the night. And it's that song. And it's at that part that does feel deliberate maybe. I don't know. I don't know. But let me ask you real quick about the appearance.

Because that struck me too. You said with the green skin color for the aliens. So kind of like what we would see on, you know, a cartoon or a movie. It's not grayish. It's not bluish. It's actually like a greenish tint. Yeah, it wasn't like bright green. When I say green, it's like a green hue.

Okay. You would say, yeah. Wasn't, yeah, wasn't like fluoro green. Right, okay. So not, right, okay. and not like a cartoonish green, but like a green shoe to it. Yeah. And you mentioned the ears.

Yeah. Are we talking about like elongated, protruding ears or like, like physical ears like humans? Like what, what? No. I'm assuming they were ears. That's because that's what they like, they just look like. They're kind of like as big as my hands, but on the side of their head. So like flaps almost.

Like flaps. Like something like you would see. And I'm just trying to describe this and understand it. Like maybe something. would see on like a lizard where like the their like frills open up kind of yeah yeah definitely definitely they weren't scaly they were very smooth but again it's like it gets hazy because you know you're trying to remember but i just remember i distinctly remember no mouth because i was questioning how we were talking so not even a slit for a mouth just just there's

nothing there nothing there huh Boy, oh boy, Hazel, you have brought us quite the dozy here today. Now, so you go through all of that. And what's interesting, too, is as we started to talk about your experiences, they resemble, and you probably have picked up on this as well, too, in your own life. They resemble more of a poltergeist experience. They resemble more of, you mentioned, you know, demonic entities or, something of the sort or spirits, something like that.

But it also then kind of bleeds over to or flows into, I don't know where the separation happens between the two. If there is, I have no idea. But you're experiencing both ends of the spectrum. Do you think they're connected? And if so, how? This is a question that I still pose to myself, because obviously when I spoke about before about this,

spiritual awakening experience that I have with this like demonic attack that I thought that I had. I do. I have the same, I am sitting in the same place as you are right now with the question because to me, it all feels connected. Because when I was younger, I used to, I attributed the figures that I saw in the hallway as ghosts. Because that's all I'd really heard about. But aliens were so far from potential, you know.

And as I've gotten older and reflected on these experiences, it makes a lot more sense to me that I was being visited at the time. Yeah. And that I was just scared because when I feel back into the experiences as a child, I was only scared because it was unfamiliar. I didn't feel like I was in danger, if that makes sense. Yeah, no, for sure. But at 32 with the entities that were coming, I believe it's linked.

You know, in my own way, I feel that potentially when you vibrate a bit of a higher frequency, I don't think that all of the beings on the planet at the moment are of our best and highest good. So you kind of, what I understand maybe you could have been happening is when you have a higher vibration, you're shining for lack of a better word and it's used so much, the brighter light. So like a moth to a flame, you're attracting this darker frequency. And then therefore, if we can keep you low, then you're not going to help the ascension per se. Yeah, yeah. I mean, frequency, I think, anyone, I've spoken about frequency. the show here before.

When it comes to like Tesla, what he had to say about frequencies and other people, you know, how that might connect to the phenomenon, to consciousness, to the universe. I think there's a lot there, even with different tones. I mean, when it comes to the ringing

of different bells, I mean, there's so much that I think goes with frequency that is left unnoticed. I think it's probably a big part of it. Am I off there or do you kind of see the same thing? I think that everything, well, if we want to really go into it and you, if you can believe and appreciate as a child of science who's been brought up in the science world that atoms

are the building blocks of life, just take that for a minute. We've always been taught that the atoms are constantly vibrating. Their electrons are flying around constantly. So that means every single thing has a vibration. Right. So it not only is a little bit to do with it, it's air. It's everything. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. And then just on top of that, we did touch on this last time, but there's so much, Nicola Tesla is a whole thing on the numbers 369 as well. But in terms of the geometric patterns. Right. So obviously when I saw them at the time in the dream, that was so profound for me, etched in my brain, again, had no link to it.

It took four years later for me to come across the concept of cymatics. And then again, I was like another. puzzle piece to put with the pictures that I saw. So what I learned was you might have seen, and people can look it up on YouTube, cymatics, and you'll get a tonal generator that can generate a certain frequency. And they have a big metal pad and they'll sprinkle sand or salt or whatever that medium they want to use. And they'll play these frequencies through the metal pad. And what ends up happening is there's a pattern that forms on the sand and the salt.

Yeah, it's incredible. And then these geometric patterns and they're so beautiful. But as they get higher and higher and higher and higher and higher and high and frequency, they become more and more and more complicated. Yes. And so mathematically correct, every angle perfect. Right. And so then it made me put together.

When I was hearing the language of these beings, I was seeing these patterns. So to me, I was seeing frequency. I couldn't potentially hear with my ears. Because as we know as humans, I like to explain this to people that our brains are a VR headset. They're limited. They're only able to hear certain ranges, see certain ranges. And on that, when light enters our eyes, it enters as a light wave,

then we have rods and cones in our retina that change that light energy into chemical energy, that chemical information goes along the optic nerve to the occipital lobe at the back of the brain and just decodes the information and tells your brain what you're seeing. I try to explain to people too, you're seeing chemicals. Yeah, right. You know, the reality that you see is only depicted by the VR headset that you're wearing. It's interesting, yeah. So for me, I believe now I have done many meditations and brain.

birthworks sessions where I've seen shapes and like geometric patterns and it wasn't until after this information came. I've then understanding that I'm just seeing frequency that I can't hear with my human ears. Do you think those are messages? Do you think they stand for something? Look, potentially, potentially, but I don't know if I'm going to be able to decode that in this lifetime, maybe. Potentially, I'm not sure. They'd need to come a lot more frequently for that. but if anything, so just say if you were looking at 432 hertz or all these other sulfegio frequencies, I believe they would all have a frequency that we would see. So I'm potentially just receiving a healing frequency potentially or is it a frequency that I'm

receiving and then having a thought follow? It's yeah, it's, I mean, it really does kind of create, not to use a cliche term, but it kind of creates like a whole different rabbit hole to go. Yeah, totally. You know, how deep does this go when it comes to are these messages? What do these symbols mean? What do the geometric symbols mean that it correspond to each frequency? Can you describe a couple what they look like from what you can remember?

Which is a draw one for you? Like a snowflake, similar to what like zoomed in snowflakes look like. Okay. I don't know if you've ever seen a zoomed in snowflake. Very, like fractally? Very, yeah, fractally, but very geometric shaped. I'm trying to think of another example. Like I said, if you go to the cymatics and you see,

one of the highest frequencies that I think I saw in one of the U.G, like that's what I was mean, that really complex, but neon lights. And I've never taken a psychedelic in my life. I swear on that. But everyone that I've spoken to that's ever taken, have seen similar things, which I then found really interesting. Well, and I find this very interesting too, because I have, you know, I haven't put this out there. And I think people will hear it in the future.

I've heard similar stories to what you're talking about with these types of symbols and geometric symbols. And other interviews, other conversations that I've had that have not aired. they will at some point but what I'm hearing you say and even when you talk about out of body experiences and you talk about being over your body what intrigued me so much

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But it's just incredible to me how it connects to other stories that have heard from other people. It's not an anomaly. It's happening to other people. That's nice to hear. Can I say that? Because coming on here and saying all these things, it's taken me a long time to get the confidence. I run shows now. One's called asleep to awake, awake to aware, and aware to ascension.

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Well, it's not woo-lu if it's frequency. The other thing is I heard about an agency. You might know more about this than I do. But potentially that they interview agents for Earth to be in communication with aliens that are already existing on the planet. But the only way you get the job is if you walk in the room and you can actually communicate with them. Now, stay with me for a second.

When a fan is stationary, a fan that you use to cool you down, right? It's on the roof. Before it's turned on, you can see all the rungs, agree? sure yeah but when you when you turn it on you can't see it anymore it disappears because it's spinning so fast that you see right through it right right so what i'm sort of understanding is that potentially the only way that you are to see them in this reality is if you're vibrating at a frequency that allows you to communicate and see that it makes sense and i think it's a good analogy to use I do want to ask this question because I always, as you know, I tried to be as fair as possible

and I always want to present all possibilities. So when I ask this, it's a long preface statement because it makes me uncomfortable to ask, but I know some people might think it. So I don't want you to feel uncomfortable by it or be offended by it. Yeah. When we talk about, because again, just trying to cover all the angles. I think he should. I try to.

So when I think about what other people might think, when they hear the beginning of your story, if I can just jump back to that real quick, because I do want to get to a couple of other things that may have happened into you as well before we run out of time here today. But when we jump back to some of the things where you talk about, you hear the voice of if you don't touch this door knob three times, this will happen. Or if you don't touch this, this will happen. The thoughts about, you know, extremely personal.

know about harming your your child. Those things in the academic sense, which I know you know because you studied it, could be or would be in everyday society attributed to some type of schizophrenia or mental disorder connected with obsessive-compulsive disorder, are those things that have been crossed off the list as far as where you look at it and you say to yourself, am I making sure that this isn't part of my history? Is this something that I was suffering from separately that I've been able to work out or was this part of the phenomenon? 100% this has come across. So I have no problem in sharing this other. I went and saw a

psychiatrist when I was dealing with some of this stuff. And I explained. to her my history and what I thought was going on in my brain. And she said to me, you're not psychotic. You need to go home and you need to get some rest so we can get some balance back in there. And of course, some type of postpartum as well. I mean, that's something that we hear about. Which is like, you end up with imbalances in the brain, of course, 100%. And it still, to me, is a vibrational thing. So I have this imbalance in my neurochemistry, which is then changes my output because there's certain parts of my brain that aren't switched on. So my frequency, in my opinion at that moment, was lower.

I was tired. Anyone who's suffered from sleep deprivation would start to see this. And there's other parts of that about melatonin production and benzodiazepine and diethyne and dimethyptamine, which I'm happy to discuss too, that can be released at these times, which I'll open up the bandwidth of your ability to receive information. it's really interesting. So just on that, I wanted to say too, when people say when you said to me,

they could wonder if I was psychotic or schizophrenic, I'm now 37 years old. And to this day, anyone could go through my medical records and say that I've never been medicated by my mental health ever. I still stand here as sane, functioning, podcasting, releasing music, running a business. You know, I'm, I feel that I'm more. sane than I was earlier before this awakening. Everything makes more sense to me. That's yeah. I hope you're not offended by me. I'm not. And the other thing on that too, I think I worry for humanity in this in this regard because when these things did start happening,

I got scared that maybe something was wrong with me. Right, right, right. But then seeing it from this scientific perspective and understanding what's going on in my brain and how we exist and move through this reality, I was like, you know what, I don't have to be afraid. I think that by being told that there's something wrong with you causes the fear. And fear, as we know, look at the media, look at everything else, is what keeps vibrations low and keeps us locked in fear. and that's where these things and those, that demonic one or one that I spoke about earlier, is more easy accessible.

Yeah, it's really interesting. I do think these things connect. And it might be over some of our heads about how they do, but it is pretty interesting. And I think when I say things, I mean frequencies. Yeah.

And that's why I really wanted to talk to you about the frequency aspect as well. But again, yeah, I just wanted to put that out there as far as we try to cover all possibilities. I hope I answered the question, okay. No, absolutely. And I just wanted to, not in an accusatory way, of course, but just to put it out there as far as let's cover all the bases. So I appreciate you being open to it. Can I share just on the brain chemistry part about most people don't realize that, you know, meditation, for example. So when we're depressed or we're anxious or whatever, we go to a doctor and usually we explain what's going on and they might offer an antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication. some of them of which are benzodiazepine. Have you ever heard of benzodiazepine?

Sure. Right. So when you close your eyes and or when you're getting ready for bed, your circadian rhythm will start to kick in melatonin, which slows down your brainwaves. So we're in beta right now and we slow down into alpha brainwaves. Then we get into theta, which is usually where you are in deep meditation and then delta is when you're asleep.

Melatonin starts producing slowing your brainwaves down. If you meditate for long enough, if you do this as a practice, it's possible that then you can, it's been proven, that you will release the upgrade to melatonin is benzodiazepine. So we self, we release this. A pharmaceutical is right up here. But we need to be still, we need to do the practice to receive the goodness. The upgrade to benzodiazepine is dimethythotryptamine, which some of you might have heard as DMT. and some in the woo-woo world go and take this to have these experiences like what I explained to you before. Again, I'd known about this when I was studying, but not to the depth and degree I know now after doing more research on it.

Diamethythotryptamine is also released at birth and death. It's been reported in the body. And so therefore, for me, I'm like somehow my body, I believe, has triggered. mythalptamine to be released. And then again, that changes the bandwidth of frequency that I'm able to then absorb an experience, essentially. Yeah, it's interesting how it might like put you in this different state of existence.

I don't know. I mean, how else to put it are a different plane. Well, I actually get to, when they've seen this under ECGs, what they'll see is the human that's asleep will go into slow brainwaves. to brain waves and then they can pick pinpoint when this happens and then all of a sudden you have gamma waves which are really high frequency and this has been attributed to having these experiences so you're super conscious in your unconscious brain and this has been you like you can go and look this up you know i know i don't know what kind of rap joe dispenser gets on

your your um audience but he will cite journal articles on this It's fascinating. Before we're done here, brainwaves of it too. It's like, yeah, anyway. No, that's, it is. And that's the part that really kind of gets to me as well. And I know we've gone down a couple of different avenues here that I don't normally go down on UAP,

which is something I've really enjoyed. And I think it's, it's deserved to do that from time to time to talk about these different avenues that maybe don't get it as much attention as some of the other things. especially coming off, you know, all of the big talk from the congressional hearing. I've covered that a lot and I will continue to cover those things again in the very near future, very near future. But I also wanted to take time to cover this portion of the conversation because it is something that is happening and it's out there. And it's extremely fascinating, especially when we can connect it to quantifiable science and medical studies like you're talking about.

And that's why I really wanted to bring you on to the show was so we can have that bridge where you are able to bridge the gap from the phenomenon to the science because you studied it and you understand how this works. So has that helped you in your own experiences to answer questions around your mind? I would not be standing today talking about this if it had like it to me, I wish you could be in my brain. brain because it makes so much sense to me that the experiences, people who have been abducted, all of the rest of it, that when I hear their stories, I sit there and I'm like, that makes so much sense to me on a scientific level, why that potentially has happened. And, you know, there's so much about what people call woo-woo, but, you know, in terms of frequency, there's a whole thing about potentially that there are people on this earth.

we're five-pointers. They call aliens five-pointers too. We've got the greys. You know, we've got the Pleiadians. We've got octarians. We've got, and they're all depicted as the grays even, too, that they're little five stars, you know. And potentially, I understand it as no different to. If everything that we're connected to is one big bowl of water, just stay with me for a second.

All the energy of the universe, every single thing is a bowl of water. and when you come to earth, you get your cup and you pick up some water and that water is then housed in that vessel. So I see all of the alien races potentially just a same five-star vessel, but different frequencies are held within those vessels, but it's all still water. If you heat up water, it can turn and evaporate into steam. It changes state, per se. So is it possible that there are some people? humans on the planet that are vibrating at a higher frequency in their energetic soul with lack of a better word.

Again, I start using those words and people go, woo-woo, but it's kind of what I mean. Where do you go in your sleep? They still don't even know. We don't know all these things. And I think some of it were not actually ever going to completely understand and be to quantify. And maybe the aliens just need to come and be like, guys, this is how it is. That's why we asked the questions here on UAP and we have these discussions.

In the final about, say, 10 minutes here, I wish we had more time and maybe I can bring you back on again in the future. But were there other experiences that you wanted to talk about? Did anything else happen after you were seeing being brought onto the ship, being told that, you know, you've been a part of this since you were two years old, you see all these geometric shapes, anything else happen after that in the immediate future? Not in the immediate future per se like that. I just have had really interesting communication.

I would just, I'll just call it that. Just understanding in meditation, in sleep state, like what I experienced in the lucid dream place, that is a little strange, that I continue to go down, holds with to try and understand why that's possible. I had an experience where I came out of a dream and my body was buzzing and what I felt had entered the reality was of not a earthly descent, if that makes sense. And I have proof on my phone. I rang, I was on the phone to my friend.

was on Instagram and I was voice messaging her. And I was telling her about this entity that came through me out of my dream. And as I say it, my Hey Google says, I'm not a dream. I am very real. And it's recorded on my phone. And in that moment, I just said, did you just hear that? Wow, they give me chills. I'm not going to lie.

And again, I feel like it was. It was trying to evoke fear, but I don't believe that I feel that I'm here on this planet to share this message with you right now, to share my music, to put the puzzle pieces together and give them to people in a palatable sense. I am a secondary school teacher, so I take complex information and I try and deliver it in as simplest terms as possible so that potentially maybe just one person can take a small seed of what I've said today and water it and be more open to the potentiality that, yeah, your UAPs are real.

They're here. They're with us. We just might not all be able to see them. And hopefully, I hope one day that that unites us. There's so much division in the world. You know, you're American, I'm Australian, you know, all the patriot. But when there's another, we're one. You know, we're the humans.

Right. We're cool. We're cool humans. That's what I hurt for the world, yeah. That's fantastic. And I will say this too when it comes to, you know, the the woo-woo as they call it, right? It's ironic that there almost seems to be a stigma within the stigma, right?

We tried to remove, again, going back to the congressional hearing, things like that helped to remove the stigma of, tinfoil hat, crazy person you believe in UFOs. Because everyday people who come home from work and turn on the nightly news are seeing these military veterans talking about these experience that they've had that they cannot explain and that are unexplainable from their superiors and from radar and from different readings, thermal readings, whatever it might be. And the nightly news crowd sees that and that chips away at the stigma, the UFO stigma.

but it's so interesting to me when we try to remove that stigma of the conversation there are some people within the conversation who still stigmatize parts of the conversation and I don't think that should be I think that if we're going to talk about this

I don't think that it should be a taboo within a taboo let's talk about it let's bring up everything and see where it takes us and I'm glad that we were able to do that hear today. Oh, I'm so grateful. I'm grateful for the opportunity and I take my hat off to those men that got up there and shared their stories under oath. And I've shared that all over my socials with everyone because, again, I found it very interesting that it was on the ninth of the

9th on 2025, which also adds to 9. And we didn't even get into Nicola Tesla's numbers and the unreal reality and real reality that he posed. But I found it very quite synchronistic that it was the 999 portal. Let's just, I'll just mention this real quick. Yeah. Because you're speaking of wavelengths. We're on the same wavelength, run the same frequency when it comes to Tesla. Where his, and I've actually used this quote very far back on an episode of UAP where I did an

episode on Tesla probably about three and a half years ago, something like that. And he said to understand the mysteries of the universe, you have to understand the numbers 369. Boom. Snap. There you go. I have an episode starting to teach about. about what he taught just to try and get it out there to people.

It's, yeah, that to me blew my mind. I didn't even think about that with the number nine. Wow, you're right. Nine, nine. And if you add up 20, 25, it's, you're blow my mind, Hazel. Yeah.

I was like, it's not a coincidence, man. That was for a reason. Really interesting. Wow. Well, before we go, I guess I guess we'll wrap it up. I know we can keep going. But before we go, you mentioned your music.

You mentioned the podcast that you have. Please let everybody know where to find it. What's going on with that? Thank you. So I have lots of songs. I actually wrote a song released it recently called Alien. So it's for all our peeps out there. So I'm on Spotify, Hazel Ray R-A-Y.

And you can find my podcast, also on Spotify and all the other streaming platforms. It's Beyond the Human. And yeah, I'm just doing all the bits. I have more music coming out soon. And it's all of that, you know, mental health consciousness, alien, questioning the world kind of music. Love it. Outstanding. Hazel, thanks so much for doing this.

Really enjoyed the conversation. It's just so interesting. And hopefully we can continue to talk behind the scenes and then maybe bring more of that out here on UAP because this was a. Very enjoyable. It was very fun. Thank you. Thank you for all that you do for our community. I'm really grateful as an experience of myself.

I appreciate that. Hazel, thank you for coming on here to UAP. We'll talk again soon. Thanks. Bye. And thank you again to Hazel so much for making time to do that, for being open to her experiences, enough to be able to relate them to us.

Obviously, that's not an easy thing to do. And she was able to go in depth there. and I do appreciate her candor as well. There was some questions in there that I was a little bit weary of asking, as you could probably hear, especially when it came to some of the more, I guess you can say conventional ideas and what would lead to some of these things that she went through.

And I really felt that was important to bring up because, like I said, during the interview, I don't really like to ignore what somebody might be thinking about. I want to make sure that we look under all the possibilities and address them. And I'm glad we did. And I'm glad we got to talk and have that conversation here today on UAP. I think it's just incredible stuff.

And she brings up or she brought up so many things that really struck me like with, with frequencies. That is one thing. I don't really bring it up a lot here on UAP. I've done episodes on it back in the day, maybe like two or three years ago. And I've had some other conversations, kind of like sidebar conversations about it here on the show when it comes to frequencies and the effect. that frequencies have or the different possibilities, the different properties that a certain

type of frequency might have on a human being or on consciousness or even quite frankly levitation in some cases and levitating objects. Frequency is one thing that has always been really, really fascinating to me and how it all connects to this conversation. So I really enjoyed talking about that and whenever I get to bring up Nikola Tesla, that's always a plus as well. But again, thank you to Hazel for doing that and for being so open to discuss her life and her story and the things that she's gone through. I hope you found that interesting and thought-provoking, if nothing else, but really incredible stuff.

And I look forward to talk to her more again in the future. Also, you can find her on Instagram at Hazel Ray underscore frequencies. If you want to follow along, Hazel, and what she's doing there with her podcast and her music, it's at Hazel Ray underscore frequencies on Instagram. And for the podcast, you can check out Beyond the Human Podcast and her music. You can just search Hazel Ray. She mentioned it there. Her new song is called Alien, and it's streaming all platforms.

So pretty apt name, I think, for what we're talking about here today. But thanks again to Hazel for doing all that. And best of luck on those projects. I mean, that's incredible. Lord knows I can't sing, so I always give a lot of credit to anybody who is brave enough to put out their own voice out there to create music. So that's awesome. But coming up here on UAP, like I mentioned at the beginning of the show, I do want to get back into the aftermath of the Burleson UAP missile video. And the reason why I want to bring that up again is twofold.

Number one, I've learned new details on that, like I mentioned at the start of the show. that are very much worthy of reporting on. And if you haven't seen, I do have a video out right now talking about some of those details. You can follow along at UAP podcast on social media, TikTok, and Twitter, and also at UA podcast on YouTube. I did a short video explaining some of these new details, but I'm also going to go into those details and some other updates, even some personal updates with Anthony Williams. He's coming back on the show. We're going to be talking here, and I'll present that interview to you next week on the new episodes of UAP.

So I'm looking forward to getting him on the record back here on UAP because the information that I presented on the show was from Anthony Williams. He was the source of my information when it comes to this video because he's viewed it. And so we're going to talk about that and get some questions answered directly from Anthony William. So I look forward to bringing him back onto the show and we'll try to address everything when comes to that video along with some other things as well that have developed in the past week or so, maybe even the past few days. So Anthony Williams coming back here on the show. You can look forward to that next week. And like I said, follow along on social media for all the

latest updates. You can check out that video that I have out right now, kind of updating the details on the UAP video from Eric Burleson. I'll just say that there are some questions that have been asked of me that I asked Anthony and I got some clarification on and you'll be able to hear those details coming up here and also on the social media video out right now. Also just reminder, UAP Investigates is live or at least the channel is. So make sure you're subscribing to that. So that way when that does premiere, you are ready to go. So check out UAP Investigates for that limited series that I've done. That's going to be coming out soon. So check that out wherever you get your podcast, the same spot you get UAP, just search UAP investigates.

And you can be an early subscriber there to make sure that you're ready to go when that comes out. Cannot wait for you to hear that. I've been literally working on that, no joke, all year. And it feels great to have that ready to go, so I just can't wait for you to hear it now. All that said, I think I've got all the information out there and what's to come. So thank you again to Hazel for coming on here. And speaking about your story, really, really enjoy that. And I hope you did too.

And like I said, gave you some information there. maybe some new thoughts, some new way of looking at things. I always love to look into all the possibilities, obviously, here on UAP, so I'm happy we could do that here today with Hazel, and I'm glad you were along for the ride. So until next time here, make sure to follow along wherever you get your podcast, continue to download and subscribe to the show on Apple, on Amazon, on Spotify. Check out all the socials, like I said, on YouTube and TikTok and Twitter at UA Podcast 850, and follow along and make sure you're not miss anything,

because things are fast moving these days. So until next time, it is Stephen Deiner here saying thank you again for everything, for always coming back and listening and for trusting me with all this. It really means a lot. We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thanks.