UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 159 "Burlison Video" Breakdown with Intel Insider Anthony Williams

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

Stephen Diener sits down for another exclusive interview with military intel insider, Anthony Williams, as he breaks down the facts surrounding the now famous "Burlison UFO video" that shows a missile strike a flying object with little to no damage. Anthony has viewed the longer version of the video and tells us everything about it that you need to know. This conversation is full of important insights that you will not get anywhere else...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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probably the best breakdown of the Eric Burleson UAP video that I've seen or heard so far. Again, not to be biased, I know it's on my show with my guest, but this is with Anthony Williams. Anthony Williams makes his triumphant return here to the show. And if you've listened to the show before, then you know who this is. If you're new to the show, Anthony is a military intelligence analyst, a war veteran, someone who has decades of experience in the field and in the field as far as military and intelligence and someone that has been a great friend to the show

and has been kind enough to come on here multiple times to discuss what he has seen and what he knows from the intelligence side of things of course without giving anything away that is too secret we don't give any classified information away here we're always smart about that but he is able to give incredible perspective that very few can when it comes to different situations and insight into stories and videos or reports that have not even been put out to the public.

They're not classified. They're just not being spoken about. And that's what Anthony brings to the table. And he always does an incredible job of doing that. And that's no different here today for this part one of part two of my discussion with Anthony Williams. because in this part one, it really, I think, is probably the best breakdown of the Eric Burleson UAP video that I've seen or heard from anybody considering that he is a firsthand viewer of the longer version of the video.

When I say longer version, he does, you'll hear him say that he hasn't seen the entire thing, but he's seen a much longer version than the one that was shown during the congressional hearing. So he can speak on this in a very unique way that, many cannot because he's viewed it, he's analyzed it along with his team, by the way. So there's a lot that we get into when it comes to that video. We break it down. I mean, every little detail. I didn't want to leave any stone unturned. And we find out a lot of great information that I'm looking forward to you hearing. So I'm going to get right into that. This part one, we really hit this hard.

We get into the congressional testimony itself a little bit toward the end. And then I'll pick it up from there to finish things off here for this part one. So for now, sit back, enjoy, consider what you're about to hear because quite frankly, you're not going to hear it anywhere else. So here's Anthony Williams and myself for this part one of our conversation on episode 159 of UAP. Enjoy. Well, everybody's been asking me about it. When are you going to have Anthony back on to discuss all the crazy things happening? The answer is right now, Anthony Williams, thank you so much for coming back on to UAP. You're needed. brother, you're needed. So thanks coming back on here to talk about this stuff. Hey, Stephen,

thanks for having me again. It's always great to have these conversations with you. And yeah, there's, there's been a lot going on. Yeah, just a few things. You know, obviously I've been hitting pretty hard at the recent UAP hearing with Eric Burleson and all the witnesses and all the congressional members. And reason being is because that made, you know, international news, not only because of the witness testimony, but because of the video. video, the now famous video that Eric Burleson showed, of the object, we'll just call it, getting hit by the Hellfire missile, and it seems, seemingly bounces off. I know that's like a controversial term to use, but that's why I say seemingly, so don't

get on me for anybody listening to it doesn't bounce. Okay, I'm saying seemingly bounces off. So obviously that video has gone gangbusters, and I've spoken about it here on the show. I did an extra video for social media talking about the different things on that. So I want to start there because the information that I've been presenting about that video, the extra information about it, has come from you. And I've said that in the presentations that I spoke to Anthony Williams about this and this is what he's told me. So now I want to get the words from you directly. First off, how does a hellfire missile that is meant to be used to go through tanks, tank armor, seemingly bounce off an object.

How does that happen? Yeah. Yeah, so, you know, a couple different things with that, you know, that's, and I've heard you share some of what we talked about, and, you know, you've done a great job at relaying it, but that's a, yeah, that's, that's an air to ground munition. So that's, that's intended to, uh, take out, you know, armored vehicles, very, very, very, very well protected things and penetrate through. And so, you know, for an aircraft of any type, you know, aircraft technology is meant to be very light, right? So they can fly fast, be maneuverable. Any type of aircraft. You think of a good year blimp to, you know, an F-35, you know, the technology in it is to make them maneuverable fast, light, you know, and be able to fly.

So definitely not heavily armored like a tank. And so, you know, a hellfire should be absolutely destructive to any type of aircraft. And, you know, what caught my eye about that video when I saw it almost a year ago, and of which, you know, the video clip that Eric Burleson received, you know, that is not the entire video. but when when that thing is struck by that hellfire I think if I remember right from what they showed at the hearing there's only a few more seconds of video after that but the video is much longer for the next minute and a half

you know you see that thing continue to fly and those three objects which it jettisoned which are the same that's not how debris works usually when debris is blown off of something it's in different shapes and sizes and it immediately tumbles and is caught by the wind and is no longer underneath its own propulsion to stay with the with the main object the main craft you know for for another minute and a half that that thing keeps flying and those three objects stay with it yeah and that was one of the things that really caught my attention when you and I

spoke about it you know privately two things I want to mention that that's I wanted to get off my chest too at the start was one thing that you said already, which is you viewed this video almost a year ago. I wanted to make sure I got this out there because a lot of people pointed this out correctly and it's completely my fault. When I did the episode previously speaking about when this video came out, I mistakenly said that it was a few years ago. That was completely my fault. I misspoke. I didn't remember correctly when this thing happened. So, you know, late October, I think the dates out there, October 30th, 2020. That's a date that's been reported and that is correct.

So that was my mistake. I just want to say because I got a lot of feedback on that on YouTube and on Twitter people saying, well, your source is wrong because he told you the wrong date. No, I was wrong. You told me the right date. And that date has been reported already of October 30th, 2024. So just want to get that out there. I mistakenly said a few years ago.

Also, what you mentioned, you have seen the whole video. So because that's part of your, you know, job description as an intelligence analyst. So let me ask you this, Anthony, for anybody who is on the fence about this or who is hardcore saying that this is a balloon, that this is something that is obviously a balloon. I mean, I've had people coming at me saying that in the UFO community. So some pretty prominent names have come at me after I put out the video talking about, you know, the orb stayed behind it, that this is. not a balloon, that this was a real object that got hit and kept going. And some people came at me and said,

you're completely wrong, your source doesn't know anything. Why are you qualified to talk about this? And why should people trust what you're saying? Well, you know, first of all, I've learned long ago, I'm never going to try and convince anyone of anything. That's fair. Period.

period because there are some people, you know, I just, I feel like, I feel like the president could roll out, you know, photographic evidence of bodies, you know, alien bodies. And being truthfully honest, you know, and then half the UFO, UAP audience would say, oh, you know, it's, it's, it's mummies, it's fake, it's, you know, Jim Henson Muppets, you know, whatever. So I just, I think some people are unconvincible. And I think, you know, other people, you know, having their mom. mind, you know, if it looks similar to this, then it must be this. You know, I will just say that over, you know, from really about 2002 till now, I don't think I could say that the amount of footage that I have watched from our collection platforms is in the thousands. It's probably in the tens of thousands, you know, whether, and most of it just, you know, you know, deliberate military footage, you know, whether it's, you know, loitering over a target, getting pattern of life, you know, for an enemy, or whether it's, you know, an actual airstrike

or, you know, a call for fire mission and seeing, you know, different aircraft hits, different, you know, and honestly, the balloon strikes that we have had, there are lots of videos of us shooting balloons and so you know and capturing footage of mylar balloons as they fly through because some of them do do give a radar cross signature you know where it is unknown and we have sent aircraft or you know uaV platforms to go identify what it is and it's there is a distinct difference between what a balloon looks like and you know there are different sizes of balloons whether it's a party balloon, you know, or a whole group of birthday balloons and three of them have deflated and they're hanging below it. Now it looks like, you know, the jellyfish or whatever. You know,

there are distinct differences that would take a lot more time than we have to explain what are some of the things that we're looking for. But probably the biggest thing, you know, that differentiates this from a normal balloon strike is the continuation of flight. Unfortunately, from the video that is presented, you don't get to determine whether that's there. So I would say anyone that saw that 37 second video or whatever it was, you don't have the luxury of seeing the rest of the video. And to say, and I'm not here claiming that I've seen the entire video.

I have seen a longer video. Okay. Right. But I don't know what no one has seen is the targeting discussions prior to the to the strike. You know, I've seen, you know, over a minute and a half, maybe almost two minutes of continuing to follow the object after the strike. What I will say is when a balloon is struck, what it does after is not what this does after. And so all of the people that say it's a balloon, I understand why you say that. The missile, you know, seems to go right through it. And then it

looks like it morph shape and, you know, then the video cuts. So it's logical to leap to the fact that hey, that thing was a balloon, it's fading out of air, and maybe it drifts with the wind a little bit longer and then goes down. But having seen the longer version of that video, that is not what happens. That debris does not plummet to the earth. That balloon does not deflate,

go with the wind and land in the ocean. It travels along in flight for at least another minute and a half two minutes before that platform is called off that video. Wow. It's definitely something that warns consideration at the very least. And, you know, I always say, of course, as you know, make up your own mind. And that's totally fine.

If you want to stick with balloon by all means, that's completely fine. But what I always want to do is always present what we know. And this is what we know. And this is why I say, you know, you can make up your own mind from the details and the facts of the video that were being given by you since you viewed the longer video. And like you said, not the entire thing, but you viewed the whole thing. but you view the longer video. So as this thing continues to go, Anthony, and the debris, whatever we want to say,

you know, a lot of people say orbs, the three things that pop out from the back after it gets hit by the missile, as that continues forward, does it seem to slow down at all? Does the velocity or the trajectory of this change? Can you tell that at all as the video goes on? All four objects,

the three, objects that are jettisoned out the back, stay with it, and they continue to fly and continue to display controlled flight after that. So it's not just blowing with the wind, it's not losing altitude, a rapid descent of a balloon being punctured, expending all of its air or whatever's in it.

It doesn't do that. It continues under controlled flight for the duration of the remainder of the video. And those three objects that had jettisoned outside of it remain with it, continue to fly with it. And not like the main object is playing away from it. And this debris is catching wind and, you know, losing altitude. It doesn't happen at all. They stayed together as a group and continue to fly for the remaining of the video. What do we think those things were, Anthony?

I mean, these three orbs, these three objects that pop out from the back. I mean, can we make any type of assumptions or hypothesis towards what those things might have been and why they came out and why they continue to follow, not fall? Yeah, there are, you know, obviously whatever they are, they have the means to control, controllable flight on their own. And I will say that, you know, there's nothing within the military that behaves that way that I've ever seen in any other video when we strike something. You know, if you strike a ground vehicle and you injure it, all the people inside jump out. So, you know, it appears as though that seems to be the behavior, although usually when you're flying an aircraft, if it gets struck and a pilot ejects, You know, you see an ejection, you see parachutes, you see other things like that. But, you know, if we don't know what the original object is, and we don't know what these objects are,

they definitely exhibit behavior that would be evacuating from something that was struck like a defensive measure. If you struck an armor personnel carrier on the ground, which we see a lot, the occupants that survived that strike, jump out immediately, you know, get away from the thing that went boom. Yeah. And so, you know, that seems to be what it is to me. I don't know what those objects are. It's not real clear in the video. But there have been some amateur video UAP sluice that have done some really good analysis

and, you know, looked at the fact stop frame, freeze frame, look at the fact that all three of those objects are the same. And then, you know, without the luxury of seeing what I've seen where they continue on in controlled flight, no clue what they are. whatever they are, they deliberately left the original object and then stayed with the original object. That is a deliberate controlled flight that you see after that. Wow. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brook Linnon,

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So, you know, they maneuver after being hit or the one after it was hit. Wow. No, I didn't know that actually. That's the first time I've heard that. So that's actually, I think that's a big deal, right? Am I looking too much into that? No, 100%. I mean, that's what we look at.

You know, and there are certain things that, you know, that also do that, right? like birds can show up on on on on these ir sensors or a thermal uh imager and you know sometimes it takes a minute but it's easy to tell if it's a bird that's not a bird and if a bird got hit little birds wouldn't come out of it you know and continue to fly but you know you see birds you know obviously you know change direction and flight and that's what these seem to do but it's obviously you know not going to be much left explodes

yeah yeah and it would have to be a pretty significant size bird for a hellfire to be able to target it anyway the teradactal right right

so it's sad but that that seems significant and I don't know if that's been out there if it is out there then that's on me for not hearing it before but to hear that

this not only continued straight because I was always under the assumption that it just continued moving straight until the, you know, the Reaper drone that was recording it finally moved away and went back on its original mission. But it didn't.

It actually turned right. It veered right. And the objects follow it in that direction right against the wind. So not only is it changing direction, but it's also going against the wind to all four objects, if you will. That seems significant. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

And wherever, you know, wherever Eric Burleson got that video, hopefully, hopefully there is. a follow-up where the rest of that footage can be seen. So something is controlling these. Whether it's autonomously or an occupant, something, something is happening there. This isn't random. Right. In your opinion, it's not a bird. It's not a balloon.

And it's not Superman. So we don't know what it is. Right. I can't honestly say that, hey, I've looked at that, analyzed it, and it's blank. Right. But I can tell you what it's not, you know, what I've seen other videos of that it's not. it's interesting um well they thank you for presenting all that do we know how fast it was going by the way because that's been a big point of contention as well that's some people have measured the speed on

this thing um any idea on on the velocity of this thing how fast it was going yeah so our our satellite um our satellite um intelligence analysts and our you know imagery analysts that look at that they're they're the guys that are better at at determining the difference between parallax they take into they take into account where the platform is, its angle of view, where that thing is. And they can get, you know, some of these UAV platforms are very good that they can track. You can actually see the grid over time moving, traveling, and it can tell you exactly how fast that object's moving. Other analysts have looked at that. That's not my area of expertise.

I absolutely lean on those guys, you know, because just looking at a video, there is a parallax effect from where the aircraft is, where the camera is, where the object is, and sometimes it can appear as though it's moving way faster than it is. And I don't have that. I've not done that level of read into it. Others have. But it's, yeah, it's, that's not something I can look at and tell you, oh, that's traveling 500 miles an hour, or. or 100 miles an hour. Sometimes that can be deceiving. When you have a static camera and you see an object fly through it or it's tracking,

that is much easier to tell versus a platform that's at a higher elevation looking down. There's a parallax effect that absolutely takes place in all those. So sometimes it's hard to judge the background and how fast the background is moving to the object, as well as the altitude of the object versus the ground. And, you know, those objects are above, you know, they're around 12,000 down to 10,000 feet at different times. So that's a pretty big distance. It's almost two miles up, you know, from surface level. So there's a lot of play to determine the speed.

And there are some people, you know, not even in the military that can look at that and tell you that. But that's not my area. No, and that's totally fair. You did mention something, though, that I actually wanted to touch on. And I'm glad you said it. You're not the only analyst who's looked at this. There's other analysts who have viewed this video. Oh, yeah.

So within the past, say, 11 months or so, I mean, have you heard through the grapevine where one is, you know, some analysts are like, oh, why are we even looking at this as a waste of time? Or is it kind of a consensus of like, we don't know what's happening here? Yeah, you know, that video falls into so many of the other videos that we've seen. And I always, I get a kick out of whenever, you know, these amateur UAP sluice are so determined that, oh, it's this or it's this or it's this. Well, the experts that it's their full-time job to determine what that is for national security purposes, none of them know what it is. So good on all the people that have determined it's a balloon, they should probably come in and educate the rest of us in the defense department. Fair enough.

Because, you know, that falls into a category of, like, a lot of things we capture on film of, wow, what is that? And then we don't know. And it remains, you know, unidentified. And so the fact that so many other people have determined that they know exactly what it is and why, good on them. But none of the experts do. So how often does this happen, Anthony?

How often do you guys come across a video? of this caliber or even more anomalous, where do you say to yourself, this is insane. Like, we don't know what we're seeing here. And the public has not seen any of these videos. And you're just like talking amongst yourselves like, we don't know what to do with this. This is something. We don't know what it is. Like, does this happen a lot?

Oh, more than I could count. And what's crazy is when I heard that they were going to show a video and then they showed that video, I was kind of like, oh, that one? like that's the one you picked out of all the videos that we've seen like there are so many other videos that would just leave you jaw dropped and and rightly so the attention that that video's gotten is appropriate that is an anti-tank missile that strikes an object and it continues to fly without being destroyed like it did not destroy the target and so while it hit the target in the official filing from that mission, it's considered a successful hit.

So the missile didn't miss, it hit it, but that's one of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of videos like that. Wow. And there are some that are way more perplexing. And obviously, you know, there's a level of security and classification involved. And most these videos that we've seen, you know, are, classified so they're not getting out for for very real reasons whether they're overclassified or shouldn't be classified at the level that they are some of them are so they they don't get out

but yeah if if one was going to get shown um i can think of dozens of videos that would that are way more compelling um and and that one's compelling very much in its own right i was a little surprised over the next four or five days the amount of national and international attention it got. And I was happy to see that. Like, I'm glad this is a dinner table conversation again. I'm glad it's hitting the major news networks. I'm glad it's getting press all over because it should. That should be alarming that, you know, the U.S. military made a conscious decision to strike a target,

hit it, and it kept going. Like, that's a big deal. And honestly, these congressmen and women that held that hearing should have the people from the Department of War that are the experts on this say, hey, what are we doing about this? What is it that could possibly get struck with a hellfire missile and not be destroyed? That's in the air, like on the ground. Okay, it's got a new type of active armor or this or that. That's a math problem. That's a science problem that we have to calculate.

We need bigger boom, you know. But something in the air, like that, that should, that should be a discussion. What could possibly get struck with that missile and continue to fly, controlled? Well, is it a discussion? I mean, you know, that's something I've been wondering, too. Is this type of video, now obviously I'm sure he's seen it, and when I say he, I'm going to ask you about the Secretary of War of Pete Hexeth, I assume he's seen this video because it made the news and it was, part of the hearing and a congressman presented it in congress but i mean do these videos make it

to the secretary's desk or is it just kind of handled on an analyst level and i mean because it sounds like it should make it to to his desk shouldn't it well you know it's amazing what what uh leadership gets briefed to and what they don't right and so you know when you look at all the things that that he is the secretary defense has on his radar so there's there's a couple different things, right? Like, globally, there's a lot going on. Politically, there's a lot going on. So he has a full plate of daily updates around the globe of just things that are happening that demand his attention every day. So this is one that the analysts don't really know what it is. Doesn't seem to pose a threat after the strike. I don't know what it did before the strike.

I don't know why it was determined to hostile, or if it met strike criteria, and we have that where if an object is flying and looks like it can carry a payload, then it triggers a standing order to strike. And maybe it did that. I don't know because, like I said, I don't see any of the video leading up to the decision to strike. You see it flying for a little bit, get struck, and then you see it flying for longer after. But when it falls into that, that's not the biggest fish on his plate right now.

So the other thing that gets attention like that is the squeaky wheel, right? And we see that we all deal with that in our life. While what we're dealing with right now might not be the biggest priority, it's the one that our kids won't stop yelling about or, you know, our spouse keeps bringing up. So, okay, I'm going to stop what I'm doing right now that I think is more important and I'm going to address this other thing. So for him to get brought into something that is not, you know, one of the largest things going on at the time. And it's also an unknown. And it also doesn't appear to be a threat.

And, you know, there's, I don't see that that makes it to his plate in any way, shape, or form. And most of those videos that we don't know what they are, don't because, they don't fit that, you know, threat, no threat. That's really the world that we live in in the Department of War. Is this a threat right now? Is this mission critical, mission sensitive? You know, where does this fall? And I would say that that video may make it to him now on the other side of Squeaky Wheel

gets the oil. It's being talked about by everybody to include Congress and the media everywhere. So it's probably like, what is that? Yeah. But I could honestly see with the best of intentions, even if he sees that video, unless he's getting pressured by House Armed Service or Senate Armed Service,

this may also fall into the realm of, yep, don't know what that is. I really have to deal with this Gaza thing. Or this, you know, Ukraine problem, or, you know, any of these other global issues that are daily inch by inch, you know, yard by yard fights that he has on his plate. So, you know, I could see why this would not be on his radar at all.

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Yeah, it's understandable. I think the only question that I have on that, and maybe this is something that, you know, I think other people might think about, is that would the curiosity, not that curiosity is a top priority, but just the, you know, maybe, sound an alarm that our artillery is not getting the job done

against something flying within a mission field. And I mean, would that raise some type of alarm for the higher-ups, whether it's the Secretary of Defense Secretary of War or someone else directly below him to say, hey, you know, this is kind of weird. Like, this is kind of makes us scratch our head a little bit

as to why this missile didn't do anything to this, this crash. Does it raise any alarms? Well, remember, one, there's clearly some sort of cover-up within government on this, right? So somewhere at some level, someone doesn't want this attention. And whatever level of advisor, that is, it only takes one or two trusted agents saying, hey, this isn't anything we need to worry about next subject. and it will not get where it needs to go.

So your idea of curiosity is a good one because a lot of the people that this is an issue for are the ones that are taking the military and the highly qualified observers concerned to heart. That's what's getting traction on these things. That's what's led to hearings. That's what's leading to more people coming forward. But never underestimate the ability of a trusted agent

and a good story to dissuade any sort of attention. And it takes one key place general officer or senior leader that's a trusted agent being told, hey, that's nothing, don't worry about. It was a successful hit, move on. And, you know, hey, do I need to be concerned about that? No, sir, successful hit, just the UAP crazies. Okay, got it, moving on.

It doesn't take much to dissuade that. And there's a very, very active, you know, attempt to conceal everything about this topic, very active within government. And it's what all these congressmen and women are finding, beating their heads up against. It's what every one of these whistleblowers and firsthand witnesses are warning about. It's a very real thing. And the fact that it's not getting traction to me does not call into question Pete, excess integrity, what it calls into question is, where is the active attempt to conceal and where's that at? You know, why are we running up against so many brick walls on a subject that is

not real? If it's not a real thing, then why are we hiding it? It's a great question, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a very fair question to ask. A couple more things in this, Anthony, because I have so much more that I wanted to try to get to with with you today. But this is one of the big questions that I've been asked over the past week or so. And I know you touched on it briefly during one of your explanations here in the past few minutes, but why did we shoot at it? I know the answer is we don't know, but can there be any speculation as to what would cause the call for this thing to be hostile and have that call to shoot at it?

Just on past experiences of other things that have been, you know, called hostile. Well, especially after the Chinese balloon incident, you know, the administration at the time took a lot of grief that they allowed this object that they knew was there to fly over very sensitive areas unopposed. And I think that raised enough red flags and enough alarms to where, and we do have standing orders in other theaters if there's a small drone that's not. not ours that has the ability to carry a payload. For 15 years or longer, we've had adversaries flying over small UAVs and dropping grenades and mortar rounds on our soldiers, wounding, maiming, killing. So there are standing orders that exist. My guess is this object probably flew through an area of active operation, and it met one

of those fire criteria that exists. Hey, if you see this object that potentially could do this and it's in this area, you're free to engage. And it probably met engagement criteria. So it was, you know, shot at. That's my guess. Yeah. And I think that's fair. Again, that's, you know, for, I guess, full disclosure, that's all we can do really is guess.

Yeah. On that note, I want to show you something. And obviously you and I are on camera, but we were just recording audio. there is, as you say, you know, maybe other sightings of something similar. There's a video that was released that was brought to my attention. I'd never seen it. I'm curious if you have. Money Penny on Twitter.

She has a pretty, you know, significant following on Twitter. And she tagged me on this and said, have you seen this video from Arrow? The reason I bring it up, she's like, I know it's out there. But the date is pretty coincidental because apparently this was recorded on October 31st, 2024, the day after the Yemen UAP with the Hellfire missile. So I'm going to hold it up. I don't know if you can get a good look at it on the camera that you and I are on. And does this video look familiar?

It shows it's a color video from Arrow that was released within the past. I actually don't know. Well, let's say recently. Yep. And it shows a similar looking type of object in shape to what's in the Eric Burleson video. Now there's no Hellfire missile like comes at this one, but it's flying over open. water in the Middle East

and but again this one is in color now Arrow I guess kind of brushed it away as a red balloon that was caught on video and they said this was nothing but are number one are you familiar with the video I just showed you yep I've seen that

and so number two is it coincidental that it's the day after the video we've been talking about of the UAP that gets or the object that gets hit by the hellfire missile is that a coincidence or could this be a connection to some type of objects that were being seen, which would cause a standing order to shoot at it?

Yeah. To me, that stands out as, you know, obviously they tracked it. Obviously, they recorded it. I don't see that as something I can quickly write off either. And I've seen that video and I've seen what Arrow wrote on it. And it's saved in the comments on the networks where I saw it. But to me, again, that is another example of anomalous, an anomalous object that can't be quickly written off. So that's interesting.

So you see, you've seen this video, you know it. And Arrow puts it out publicly and says nothing to see here, a balloon. But you're saying that this is still within the comments section on your intelligence side, if you Will, where it hasn't been written off on your side? No, there's a whole bunch of analysts that are looking at that and discussing in a forum on what they think that is. But no, they didn't, you know, our community didn't write that off as, yep, Arrow's right balloon. That, nope, that did not get that, that nod. So what causes Arrow to write it off so quickly?

If their own intelligence, you know, sector isn't writing it off, why did they? I think you'd have to ask Arrow. And that seems to be a pretty common answer lately, doesn't it? That sure does. Yeah. That's interesting. I hadn't previewed that video with you at all. That was the first time I showed it to, so I didn't know if you had seen it.

I was kind of taking a chance there on whether or not you even knew what that was. So pretty interesting. If you don't know the video I'm talking about, and to be fair, I didn't even know what it was until it was tagged on it. So I'll retweet that at UA Podcast 850, where you can see that. Again, Moneypenny on Twitter. Credit to her for tagging me on that. And it's on my profile right now if you want to check it up, but I'll also retweet it and say this is what we were talking about.

But it does show something similar. It's a color video as opposed to black and white footage, and it shows a similar-looking object anyway moving across the open sea. Was that in the Middle East as well? I don't remember offhand. I would need to go back. I need to go back in and look at it. I don't remember.

It's interesting. Should we take anything away from that that it was the day after, October 30th and now October 31st? Or is that just? I think it's worth noting, especially if it's in the vicinity, for sure. Because here's the other thing. The first video, the Yemen video, this is not in an area where you would expect to see party balloons or anything released like that. This is nowhere near that and where that strike took place. That's when people are like, oh, it's a balloon, it's this, it's that.

It's like, oh, then how did it get there? You know, I'll never, I'll never forget some of the stories that I just have from different, you know, military scenarios where something's odd, but what's more odd is where it's odd, not just that it's odd, but how did it get that? there. How did that get there? I remember flying over the Hindikush Mountains in Afghanistan and you're seeing nothing for hundreds of miles. And then there's one house at, you know, 16,000 feet with a fire going and it's snow. And you're like, wow, how did that get there? Where did that get wood? You know, like all these things going through your head. So it's not just that it's odd, but, you know, it's where it's odd. So, you know, in both those scenarios, the second video, I'd have to look at where that was, but for the first one, for sure, not just that it's odd, but it's where

it's odd and why it's there and how it got there. That's very, that's anomalous on its own. It's a good point. And I do find it really telling that the intelligence community that you're in has not written that thing off, but Arrow has been quick to say, yeah, here you go, have fun with this one. It's just balloons. And basically, you know, your take on it is you guys haven't said that at all. So I just find that almost, and I hate to use the word intentional. So I don't know if it's intentional or unintentional, but that disconnect from Arrow to the intelligence community is kind of startling.

Well, after the very first Arrow report, Arrow report that came out, it was really clear that there's an agenda, at least with Sean Kirkpatrick, that there was an agenda to make this topic go away. Not necessarily that Arrow's collection efforts are not sincere. but their reporting is definitely, there's an agenda there. I do want to ask you about some of the witnesses too, Anthony, kind of moving away from the video and getting into some other topics because incredible coverage.

I appreciate all of your expertise and your insight on that, and I think you painted a really insightful picture on the facts and the details that you've seen and what we can take away from that and kind of make up our own minds from there. But I wanted to get your take on some of the witness testimony that also took place that day inside Congress. What did you take away when you heard Jeff Neusatelli and Chief Wiggins, George Knapp and Tyler Borland? What kind of stuck out to you? You know, to me, I could find myself in every one of their stories. I could find my own story, my own experience in there.

And the fact that, you know, these guys all witnessed something that's real. It's out of the ordinary. It's anomalous. And, you know, at least for Jeff Neusateli and Chief Wiggins, you know, their incidents were witnessed by dozens of people. And so you can't write that off. When they bring that up, you know, these are qualified individuals observing something that is very, very anomalous. I think it's worth listening to. and acknowledging the fact that just like Dave Fravor, just like Ryan Graves, all these firsthand witnesses that have seen something, they're too qualified to write off.

They have seen what normal looks like and they know what abnormal looks like. And when they're jumping up and down saying, this is not normal, that demands attention. And that's why those are very, to me, very good people to have testifying before Congress and in front of leadership because they are qualified to observe normal, adversary, friendly, determine the difference. And if needed, take lethal action against. That's not a small thing that we ask of our military. And so when these people can't make heads or tails, that's their job. You know, you working in radio, we don't ask you to say, hey, should we shoot that guy over there?

that you look at me with milk saucers fries and say, what, what? Why would you even think that? I have no idea. That's not your job, but that's these guys' job. And so when they see something that they can't make heads or tails of, cannot determine threat, no threat, friendly, adversary, that demands attention. And that is why there are such qualified witnesses. And to see organizations like Arrow write that off, that's a delightful. deliberate, deliberate action.

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And that's where we will end it for now. It felt like a good spot to stop there. And I do want to thank Anthony again for all of that incredible insight. Again, like I said, to start off the show. And like I said, during our conversation, to get his perspective on all this stuff is irreplaceable. I mean, honestly. So I always appreciate him coming on here and lending his knowledge and his really important point of view on this topic and on this. discussion and we get into much more in part two we pick up where we left off during part two

or for part two on the congressional side for the testimony that is I did want to get into more things about Tyler Borland of what he thought about Tyler Borland's testimony with the triangle UAP floating overhead and that plasma floating around the middle so I do want to ask Anthony about that there were some questions that were posed to me on social media that will get to as well in the little ask Anthony segment there were There were a couple of questions posed on social media that I said, hey, if you have anything you want me to ask him, just let me know. So we'll get to those.

But also we're going to get to Anthony's experiences himself. He has had personal sightings. And one actually just happened like last week. So he has some pretty incredible, unexplainable sightings that he has gone through in his own personal life. So we're going to talk about those because we've never really covered that just on Anthony's life and what he has seen. So you're going to hear about what he's come across himself and so much more coming up in part two as well. But I really do hope you enjoyed this part one of that discussion. Again, that really that full breakdown.

I really wanted to do that comprehensive breakdown of the video and all of the different angles about what it could be, why it could be this, why it's probably not that. And just look at the details and the facts of the physics of this and of the different things that would go into a mission that would involve firing on something. Why would we fire on it? You know, how fast would it be going? Why wouldn't it go down? All the different little details that we hit. I wanted to try to present that with Anthony. And I think we hit the nail in the head, I think. I hope we did. It felt like we did when I was talking to him, but I'm sure there's something I could have done better. So if there is, please let me know. You could always follow

along on social media at UA Podcast 850. You can reach out to me directly through email S. Dean uap at gmail.com that's s d i e n-r uap at gmail dot com i'll just give those out now um but one thing that did stick with me as well and because i i didn't know this and again maybe it's already out there and if it is shame on me because maybe i just wasn't paying attention but when he said that in the video later on the video that we haven't seen and that quite frankly we probably will not see any time soon, the object and the three objects following it turn right against the wind. A balloon is not going to do that. I'm just, I'm sorry, it just isn't. So that's, that's, that's, that's just the way it is. I mean, I don't know what else to say when it, when it comes to that.

If, if you want to think it's a balloon, then that's okay. I'm not going to get on you for that, obviously, but I just, I can't explain how something would move independently and then have three objects behind it move independently of that following it, but in unison, turn right against the wind after getting shot by a missile without losing its, you know, its height, I should say, without crashing. As we've heard obviously from Anthony that this thing just keeps going. So a lot to consider, a lot to take in from that interview and just incredible information that he was able to propose to us from his firsthand viewing and analysis of that video. And I did want to get that point out there.

And I'm glad he said it that it's not like he's the only person who viewed and analyzed that video. There's a team of people in that community that he works with where they all say, we don't know. and I'm also glad that I brought up the other video that Arrow did release that happened the day after like I said if you haven't seen that one Money Penny on Twitter like I mentioned during the conversation is the one who brought that video to my attention and I'll go ahead and retweet that

but she made a great point to say you know what the video the Eric Burleson video happened on October 30 on yeah on October 30th 2024 and this video from Arrow happened the day after on Halloween, October 31st, 2024. And that video from Arrow that they released in full color shows some type of weird looking reddish, blackish object floating over the sea. Arrow, as you heard me saying to Anthony, kind of, you know, swept that aside and said,

well, it's a balloon, so he'd go have fun. And I thought it was fascinating to hear his reaction to it and his team when they said, we haven't said that at all. This is an inconclusive video to us. you in one hand you have arrows saying yeah nothing to see here but then you have the actual intel community saying i don't know where you're getting that from because there's absolutely something to see here we don't know what this is so that disconnect is something that i found to be both startling and noteworthy to to keep in mind because i don't know if that is intentional

or if that is something that maybe they just didn't have enough information and they just swept it aside because they didn't want to deal with it um but i got to tell you and then to hear him say at the end too, you know, what is Arrow doing with these testimonies that we heard at the congressional hearing? So we're going to get into more of that stuff in part two, but just something to keep in mind. I mean, to hear again that disconnect is really quite something between the intel community and what Arrow is saying about the videos that they're releasing. It's pretty incredible to say the least. I could go on. There was so much to take from that interview, but I do hope you took away a few things there that you'll be able to think about and consider after that

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