UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 160 The Deception of AARO and the Truth Behind Reverse Engineering

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Stephen Diener welcomes back intel insider Anthony Williams to finish off their revealing conversation in this part two episode. Anthony proposes some theories that might expose how AARO keeps things under wraps and explains how we may not be as far ahead in reverse engineered tech as some may think. Plus, for the first time ever, he shares stories of his own UFO sightings. All of this and more right now in a truly thought provoking discussion...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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extremely educational, a lot of important information in there as far as really unique details that you're just not going to get anywhere else. But it came to the video that was presented by Eric Burleson during the UAP hearings. Since Anthony was a firsthand viewer of that video, he was able to present so many different details that I hadn't heard before, that I hadn't seen reported before by anybody else. So if you didn't get to hear that whole thing, I really do highly suggest. taking a listen to that and spreading the word on it, honestly, because there was a lot of important information on there that really should be put out for everybody to hear so you can make up your own mind on what was presented that day, because it doesn't seem like it's a balloon from what Anthony was saying. So we still don't know what it was, but that was the vast majority

of part one there. Again, hugely important stuff. So hopefully you got to hear it all. But in part to today, we pick up where we left off about some of the testimonies that took place during the hearing. We do get into a little bit about Tyler Borland, and that kind of evolved into a discussion about Arrow as a whole. So you're going to hear a lot about what is Arrow doing and what aren't they doing and why. And actually, this actually went a different way than I thought it was going to, which was good. And so you're going to hear that to start off.

Also, when we talk about Tyler Borland's. testimony, Jeff Nusatelli's testimony, Chief Wiggins, and just many other testimonies that we've heard, as well as someone like Roderick Castle who was on here recently, whose craft are these? Who do these belong to? And I ask that to Anthony, and just straight up, you know, are these things that we've seen? And I've asked him this before,

and we've spoken about it before. Even Nancy May spoke about it during the hearing when she asked Tyler Borland about it, who does this belong to? And I brought that up again to Anthony, and he probably gave the most detailed explanation. I've heard him give so far as far as being a guest or even really just talking in private conversations with him.

I mean, the explanation that he gave as to why the craft that we're seeing cannot be ours was really fascinating. So a lot to take into consideration there when he goes into detail about why a lot of these craft just simply would not make any sense as to why they would be ours. So he explains that and it's really, really good stuff to consider. And for the first time ever, he actually goes into his own sightings. Anthony Williams himself has had three different unexplained sightings of objects in the sky.

Boy, the one that he talks about in the New Mexico desert is really something. So not to downgrade the other ones, they're all really fascinating. But I'm telling you, if I had to pick one, wait until you hear about the one that he saw on the New Mexico desert. So he talks about his own sightings that came out of, you know, just in his own personal life. And that was really something because he's never shared those before on the show. And then we do get into the drone situation happening in Denmark a little bit. He kind of explains who or what he doesn't think it is. Again, one of those things, not sure what it is, but he can at least speak on what it isn't. And that's part of the battle, right, process

of elimination. So we get into a lot of great stuff here today, all of that and more. I'll let you sit back and enjoy now. Part two, a little bit longer than part one. So sit back and relax here, myself and Anthony Williams, and then I'll come back with a short post-credit scene just to react to a couple of things and update along the way as well. But here is part two right now with myself and Anthony Williams on UAP. Enjoy. And happy to have him back now. Anthony Williams here with us once again for part two of our discussion. And Anthony, thanks again for part one where we went over, I mean, in detail. In my opinion, and I know I'm probably biased, but in my opinion, that was the best

breakdown I've heard of the Burleson video anywhere else. And I'm not just saying that because it happened here. I'm not just saying that because it's you. I really thought that was such a great breakdown that you were able to give in part one just from all the information and the details. and the facts since you viewed the video. So I do appreciate you putting all that out there. Yeah, I know you're welcome.

You know, and happy to finish up our discussion today as well. Yeah, we're going to get into a lot of other things here today in part two. But I do want to pick up where we left off when it comes to, again, from the congressional side of things. And then we'll get into some other stuff. But we just started kind of touching on the testimony side from the UAP hearing a couple weeks ago. and you know you are making the point that all these testimonies they come from a place that should be paid attention to and you know as far as the backgrounds of all of the men who are testifying and arrow doesn't seem to be taking this seriously now i know this might be an unfair question

to ask you just because of the position you're in and you can't answer for arrow but just from the outside looking in why do you think from your experience why do you think from your experience why Why do you think Arrow continues to kind of, I don't know, not take it seriously some of these reports and some of these testimonies? Yeah, I would actually like to flip that up on its head. So I think personally, the way I interpret what we're seeing from Arrow, Arrow takes this extremely seriously. To the point where it's worthy of a cover up. You can't have this many qualified observers and analysts looking at these things, perplexed, asking for answers, and then have it whitewashed by Arrow leadership. Not necessarily the rank and file in Arrow, but the leadership and the public facing statements that they make are blatant cover up and blatant disregard.

and quite frankly disrespectful to all the people within our government that are working hard to try and figure out what this is. To me, that shows exactly how serious they take it because if they didn't take it serious, it wouldn't be worthy of a cover-up. It wouldn't be worthy of even acknowledging. But the fact that they are, you know, in Sean Kirkpatrick quite loudly, quite boisterously, getting on whatever venue he can to downplay, you know, discredit and shy away from any sort of validity of these, you know, sightings. To me, that shows exactly how serious the leadership is taking it because it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be worthy of such a large disinformation.

It wouldn't be worth even acknowledging if they didn't take it serious. Yeah, that's actually really interesting way to look at it. And I think you're right. It makes perfect sense. And that's the thing is that on the outside, right, from the outside looking at, it's, it could be misconstrued as, well, they're just kind of brushing this aside. Like, why? Why aren't they listening? Sure. And I think that's a perfect way to look at it, actually, is that not only are they listening, but they hear it. And that's why they're not doing anything about it. And so. Yeah, I would take it a step. further too if you look at the uap disclosure act if there's no there there then why is that thing getting railroaded year after year so you know people should look at who's blocking this who's preventing this uh from getting approved and reach out to their you know senators and congressmen that are actively involved in blocking this and demand answers from them if it's not a thing

then why are you blocking it? Yeah. And they should be held accountable for that because to me that's validation that this is a very serious topic. Hmm. Now that's, yeah, again, you know, that's something actually

that I wanted to bring up in general. We didn't get to cover it in part one, but I'm glad you bring it up now because that is something that I know for a fact, just from personally speaking to him with Eric Burleson, he was really confident

that that was going to get through. that that act was going to pass through Congress. And then at the last minute, the 11th hour, he announces at the UAP hearing that it got blocked because of, you know, staffer intervention. And then we're hearing about possible intervention to block it in the Senate. I mean, so this all kind of does go hand in hand then, right? I mean, there's something happening there. And I think you put it really well in that if there's no there there, the why is this getting blocked continuously? and why is Arrow a correct me from wrong, I might be wrong, so correct me if I am, Arrow, a taxpayer-funded

division of the government. Yes. Why is that being used to block testimony or to cover up testimony? That's, it's quite infuriating, Anthony. I'm not going to lie. I mean, it's really very frustrating. Oh, well, and, you know, Arrow is absolutely underneath the Department of War and it's congressionally funded and the fact that they are not accountable.

to Congress. And when they are presenting anything, it is a whitewash of no answers, clearly talking loudly about the things that they can write off and not acknowledging any of the videos or witness testimony that remain to this day unidentified. They don't get into any of that. Or they'll be very careful with their words and I'm glad this got talked about at the hearing but words absolutely matter and you know when they when they choose the right words to prevent themselves from lying by saying we don't have enough evidence to say that this is okay yeah you're choosing your words very carefully that's that's a dirty way of doing business and it's almost a lie through a mission. Yeah, that actually kind of goes back to something that struck me during the hearing

with Tyler Borland, where he mentioned that by evidence, you would have to, their definition of evidence would be going to the alien planet to confirm the existence of an alien society on an alien planet, which of course is ridiculous. But that is their definition. So, I mean, they're playing games then is what's happening. Absolutely. Yeah. Yep. That's, man, that is a shame. I mean, quite frankly, it really is. And I hope that as pressure continues to mount, that something can be done on that side when it comes to Arrow. I mean, you know, that was something that actually stuck with me when we talked during part one here of our discussion where you said the video that Arrow put out showing, you know, the day after, it happened the day after the Burleson video was taken on the 30th, the video Arrow put out on the 31st, showing this strange object kind of flying over the sea or some type of body of water. And they just put out and said, well, that was a balloon. So here have at it.

But when I showed it to you during part one, you said, no, that's never been decided here on the Intel side. And that's something that's right. Like does that, let me ask you this way. Does that happen with anything else? Like does someone else, does a different department come out and say, here's the answer to something? and in the intel community, you're saying that's not the answer. So, I mean, does that disconnect happen a lot with different subjects, or is it just with stuff like this? No, I'm, you know, our nation is safeguarded by the protection of secrets.

So it happens a lot. And there's a lot of safeguards in place to protect our secrets, you know, underneath the auspice of national security. So there's absolutely a lot of other scenarios where something is publicly stated that is, you know, we know not to be accurate, but it is underneath the guise of concealing a capability or concealing an effort that does not need to be publicly known because sometimes when we let our own nation aware of something, we also let our adversaries aware of it. So there are times we will reveal a capability. You saw recently President Trump announced the new F-47, 6th-generation fighter. That is a reveal of capability. And it was not for all of our aviation enthusiasts here in the United States, as much as it was for our adversaries to be aware of, hey, this is what we have.

you know, it's a strategic game of chess that's played with what is shared and what is not shared. So, yeah, there are things that we'll see get stated or avoided being talked about publicly when we know that there's other things at play. And there's a reason why things are not being shared. Yeah. Okay. And that makes sense for sure on some of those, you know, other things on the other side of the discussion. And it's just, it's just frustrating, I guess, is probably the way I feel of what I'm getting at to know that there's so much that goes on behind the scenes where the left hand doesn't let the right hand know what it's doing. And on the left hand saying, yeah. Yeah, and not only that, but knowing that that's the case, and I think it's understandable to any American why we need to protect and safeguard some of our nation's secrets for, you know, national security. purposes because we inherently know that as a as a citizenship of this country it really

opens the door for any conspiracy theory to be real yeah because where does it really lie and that's where we get into you know some of these deep dark rabbit holes that quite frankly being on the other side and being able to see it some of these I can look at me like wow they're going down they're really burning calories down the wrong way But, you know, but I can't say that. I can't come out and say, hey, you know, stop there, look here, you know, with some of these things because of the fact that, you know, we do have a, we do have a duty to, you know, the citizens of this country to to safeguard and protect American interests, you know, both here and globally. But also at the other, the other side of that coin is we also have an obligation when, it is not a matter of national security to have utmost transparency, which is why the Freedom of

Information Act exists and why the budget and the line items in that budget are supposed to be viewable by any taxpayer. You know, we're supposed to be transparent to the people that pay the bills. And quite frankly, back to your comment about Arrow, Arrow is congressionally funded underneath the Department of War. So when Arrow is, you know, feeding the malarkey that they're trying to feed to the American public and our congressional delegates know it, what recourse does, you know, Representative Luna, Burchett, Burleson have? Well, they can stop funding it, but what does that do?

That feeds the animal of the cover up anyway. Oh, you guys that are trying to pull out this thread, you want to defund the all-domain anomalous office. You want to defund that? That's great. Yeah, let's go ahead and defund that. Because now that validates, you know, it says there's nothing to investigate. So they're caught in a catch-22 there. The only leverage that they have is to defund the line item on the budget or not approve next year's funding. But again, they want the answers. So they're caught in a catch-22. They either listen to the lies or they defund the microphone. that's telling the lies, but both serve the purpose of cover-up.

Really quite something. Now, on the other end of it, we had during the hearing, Tyler Borland mentioned talking about Arrow. He said, you know, his story concerning being threatened, really, and feeling that intimidation, being blackballed, you know, talking about how he's still unemployed, he can't get a job in the field that he's been trained in for years. and when you talk about that level of intimidation and blackballing,

but then they say there's nothing to see here. So it's like which one is it, right? I mean, there's a reason why he's got to be getting blackballed from going out there and getting a job. Is it more than, is it more than just that he spoke about something that he saw? Is it about that? Or is it about he spoke about something that he saw and what it was that he saw?

You know, it's, it's an unfortunate. reality for him. But I think several other witnesses that have spoken up, you know, have spoken to the same, you know, tragedy that they find themselves in, you know, which is another reason why, you know, I'm not hearing true name, quite frankly, because, you know, there are retributions at play, you know, at play here, whether it's, you know, something as small as, well, you spoke about something, and so now we, you know, we have reason to, to, to, to not approve your renewal for your security clearance. That's enough for, um, a guy like that to, you know, remove his ability to do a job, you know, and get a job and hold a job and hold a, a clearance. So,

you know, if, if someone dug hard enough, it could just be, you know, the office of personnel management concluded that he was no longer fit for security clearance. And they could give any number of reasons, but those are all a form of retribution. That on top of the fact that we've had a number of people submit things to Arrow, go through interviews where they're felt they're being taken seriously, and then it is just buried. You know, that's almost, that's almost as telling as going after someone for the story they told. If they share their story, they share their firsthand experience,

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And, you know, of course, the red cube flying over Van, And then, of course, his own personal experiences in his backyard as this orb came down close to him. And then to hear Tyler Borland's tell his story as well, and not to exclude Chief Wiggins, because his story was very compelling as well. But to hear Tyler Borland's story for the first time in detail about this triangle UAP coming down and seeing that, like, how he described it as like a lava, it made me think of some type of plasma material that might have been floating around the center. what was your what were your impressions anthony when you heard tyler's story specifically about that craft and the capabilities that it showed so i think i think tyler's story first of all is not unique uh in the fact that it was a triangle craft possibly a pyramid shaped craft um there are dozens and dozens and dozens reports of this you know of of of craft similar in description

I think where he gets wrapped up in is the level of clearance he had and the other programs he's aware of. So he alluded to it, you know, in the hearing that he would need to get into a skiff. And then, quite frankly, you know, he's not even sure if the congressional delegates that were at the hearing have the need to know. There's one thing to have a clearance and have the highest level of clearance, but then there's also the need to know and the read on and access to that program and that information. And it's the world I live in and there are, you know, there are meetings that we can't attend unless we get the certain read on. So we have to go through the process to get that read on. And what stood out to me was he was read on to a program at a level that could potentially. potentially validate what he was saying, and that's an even bigger threat.

And he didn't say that, but he said it without saying it, if that makes sense. Yeah, how so? What did you notice there? His request or his need to talk about why he was certain of things and his ability to only explain his certainty in a skiff. And then for him to specify the fact that even if they got a skiff, he's not sure they're read onto the right programs to even hear about it. To me, that indicates a certain level of program that I don't want to get onto here.

But that said a lot to me without saying anything to get himself in trouble. It was actually quite an eloquent, it was a very arrow way of answering the question without answering the question. Yeah, it's, it is interesting when you think about it. And that he's basically kind of saying, well, let me put it this way. Coming from a place of I can tell you what I'm seeing wasn't right because of what I already know. Well, and he took it a step further to say, hey, I'm convinced this isn't ours. And I can tell you why in a skiff, but you also have to have a certain level of read on. That's a, that's a very good way of saying, I'm not kidding.

this is real, which I think most people already knew and most of those congressional delegates talking to him having the meeting before the meeting, you know, that's no shock to them. I'm sure most of them knew what he was going to say. Yeah. And I'm I'm sure he's probably explained to them with their level of security clearance what the name of the read on is that they need to get, that he doesn't need to say publicly. So they didn't press them for the name of the program. but he was very clear that he was 100% sure and he could explain why in a classified facility if they had the right read-ons. So it is interesting though where you talk about the triangle UAP,

the shape. I do want to ask you about the capabilities, but just to kind of make the connection because you said, Anthony, that it's not unique as far as different people seeing that. I mean, I've spoken to man named Roderick Castle right here on the show not too long ago, just a few weeks ago.

And his story is one that actually got spoken about. Eric Burleson mentioned him during the hearing as someone else, you know, a Marine who saw a triangle craft similar to what Tyler Borland was talking about. His story goes back to 1997 in the desert of Arizona. And, you know, his story talks about a triangle craft floating overhead and then kind of, you know, moving away at an accelerated,

not instantaneous, like Tyler said, but accelerated speed. So we know the triangle has been seen many, many times. But the way that Tyler described it, where it was so up close, only about 100 to 200 feet overhead, and this lava flow that he kind of mentioned going over it. Do we look at that as some type of plasma field, Anthony? Is this some type of propulsion field that we don't understand? What did you take away when we spoke about the capabilities about this strange lava-like stuff that was floating over the middle and the way that it was just able to instantaneously accelerate to an unbelievable height? I have to look at it from the fact that, one, a credible observer, two, someone with access to information at a very highly classified level,

and also the accounts of other experts, we can't discount the current role of Commander David Fravor, commander retired, and what his role was in 2004, what his role is now still working in, you know, the aviation industry. You know, these are people that at the highest levels are read onto all the most exquisite capability through all the various sources and networks that we have to know about those of our adversaries. So when they see this craft, and they're, and I'm getting to, I'm getting to the point, but there are, there are some people that, that, you know, firmly believe triangle craft like that are from our own government, from our own military industrial complex. I think that is, those statements are made from unqualified individuals.

and people wanting to believe something, and that's fine. They can believe that all day long. But what I think we're seeing with that case specifically is one of the closest and one of the most recent looks at a craft like that doing a unique thing. To me, something moving around like that in the middle, without video, without being able to look at it, I can't really determine if it's a power plant, if it's an engine, if it's a thrust output, if it's a, you know, there's no telling what that was. But, you know, to me, it seems like a very qualified witness stating something that makes zero sense with everything known both from our country and all of our, you know, near peers globally, whether they're allies or adversaries.

Yeah, I'm glad you brought up, you know, our own domestic capabilities because that was actually my next question before. we move on to something different here. Why, I know we've spoken about this many times on and off the show, but I want to ask it again just to get it on record here, I guess in an updated version. Why couldn't something like that be ours? And I know that was even asked during the hearing. And it's in a different way. I think it was Representative Nancy Mays who asked, you know, could that have been our

technology or China's technology, Russia's technology? why isn't that human technology that could have been reverse engineered from an alien craft, something that we made that we're testing out but came from alien technology? Well, if you look at how we procure things, how we develop things, and how as a government, we do R&D and future modernization of equipment. So if you look at that, the most superior fighter in the world today is the F-22 Raptor. And proud to say it's ours. But before we bought that Raptor, the F-22 had a face-off with Northrop Grumman's F-23.

And they competed for the contract and were flying active models of that aircraft in 1990. Wow. That's 35 years ago. And now in 1990, there's no internet the way we think of it today. There's no cell phones the way we think of it today. There's no AI modeling and large language models helping with analysis and data crunching. There's none of that. That was a phenomenal leap in technology for anything in the world. in 1990. That is quite impressive for back then, even just in the ability to knowledge share across different offices to make that aircraft happen. Quite impressive. Yeah, wow.

So we're talking about UAP craft that defy the capability of the most advanced aircraft to date. And now we're talking about UAP craft that defy the capability. And now we're talking about the F-47 and what it can do, how it can be manned and accompanied by autonomous wingman aircraft, multiple, with AI piloting. And we're talking about unveiling a fleet of 185.

This is going to be the largest end item in our government's budget till that purchase is complete. So if we had a technology, that surpasses the best we could build in the last 35 years and not by a little bit, but by an exponential amount, our inability to leverage it in any way, shape, or form other than covert means with no direct correlation to effect. So let's pretend that these craft are ours. What have they accomplished?

What have they done? What have they performed other than freaking out a bunch of civilians globally in random places? Tribes in South America, school kids in Africa, fighter pilots training for an overseas deployment, like a whole part of the Northeast United States for weeks. Langley, Virginia. Yeah. So the only thing that these things have accomplished are covert action without any seeming effect anywhere. It's not like we're using them in a covert means and preventing war or stopping conflicts or in any way, shape, or form. We're not moving large amounts of logistics this way. We're not transport.

Like the president doesn't secretly zap from one country to the next in these crap. We're not using them in any way, shape, or form. So one, there's no application where if there are, is that we've ever used them for anything. The second thing is you're talking about a technological leap that would cost more money than our entire budget, the logistic tail that goes with it, the amount of people and engineers and everyone that would work on this. If you look at like the F-22 or the F-47, this is the large, this involves thousands and thousands of people to develop this thing underneath a classified program that once it comes out, you know, it's well aware that, hey, Boeing's got the contract for the F-47. Lockheed Martin had the contract for the F-22 and still does. It's known that these companies are working on it, where they're working on them, who owns the program, all those things are still kept. secret. So you mean the amount we're going to spend the most money on anything on our new

aircraft carriers and our new Air Force aircrafts out of anything else that we spend money on other than human resources. And somehow we doubled and tripled that in the dark with no one knowing that we would have to assume an unrealistic level of, ability to keep something a secret at a level that we've never seen before, with a larger amount of people that we could even account for, with a supply chain that isn't established anywhere, and with zero government application in any way, and anything that we do, the most covert operations we do, we're not leveraging UAP. I don't know if you remember the Osama bin Laden raid.

Sure. But one of our helicopters that crashed was not intended to crash. And unfortunately, photos got leaked out of a very classified aircraft that, quite frankly, even in the Department of Defense and even within the special operations community, that aircraft was not known. Wow. So if we're going to use an unknown aircraft, if we're going to go to a thing that we don't want anyone to know, know, that would be the perfect opportunity to zip in with a UAP, drop troops, had that thing shoot out of the stratosphere and drop down in a second, pick up the guys and zip back. And no one's the wiser. Yeah.

But if our most elite secretive formations aren't using this in any application for the most covert and clandest in operations that we conduct globally, then what are we doing with it? Because it has no application anywhere in the covert or clandestine world. So, you know, there's just, and when we look at emerging technologies that quite honestly are jaw dropping and look like science fiction, there's still nowhere near the level. And I'm talking about bleeding edge innovation that's happening in real time today. That you've seen. It's stuff that it's stuff that you'd be very, very, very. proud of. But it's nowhere near that. Wow. And now, now you're going to try and convince the world that that we had that no for? No. Like, there's just no way logically that I can make that leap. And

you're hearing all the other qualified witnesses and observers and analysts that are testifying saying the same thing. No, that's nothing we had then. It's nothing we have now. It would be, It would be very comforting for me to be able to say, yeah, I could see us having that. There's just no way. What is it? What do you think it is then? I mean, if it's not us, I mean, there's only other one. Are you willing to make that leap that if it's not us?

Yeah, I mean, it's not human. Okay. Period. End of story. Full stop. And that's where it gets weird, right? Yeah. So I don't know if it's Little Gray aliens or Nordics or lizard people or whatever.

I have no idea where it came from or whose they are, but they're not human. They're not made by humans. That's a fact. And it's super inconvenient to have that half of the knowledge and not the other half. And I think that is probably one of the things that is leading to this severe protection. of whatever the truth is, because the reality is either not controlled by us or, quite frankly, is scary. Is scary to the point of we're not benefiting anyone by sharing this.

That may or may not be comforting to people. But I think that's the only reason why you have the president that discloses everything, whether he should or not, do a complete 180 on this topic with the New Jersey drones. You have every, and I know we've talked about it before, but you have every agency, multiple state governors that are commanders and chief of their own National Guard, their own air forces, their own militaries. No one can figure out what this is. The FAA can't figure out the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security.

No one can put their finger on what this is. And then all of a sudden, yeah, it was approved. What was approved? What are you talking about? So the secrecy, the cover-ups, all these things, there's a reason not clear to any of us. But I can say emphatically, what we're seeing is not human-made, not by us, not by our humans, and not by any other humans on this planet.

Wow. Well, you definitely put an incredible perspective on it, Anthony, and I appreciate that, whether, you know, it's comfortable to hear or not, or believable to some people. I mean, that's what you are able to tell us based off of your knowledge and the inner workings of this stuff. So it's incredible to consider, to say the least. Hey, guys, so before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us. And it's scary. Starting something new, right? It's hard. And it is kind of terrifying because you think about all the work that goes into it. Are you going to be able to succeed? What new challenges am I going to face? It's that uncertainty. But I know how that is because I can think back when I started UAP. I was just hoping for the best. And it's just like that when you're starting your own business.

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because when you fly with Hawaiian Airlines, it's hard to tell where your flight ends and vacation begins. Hawaii starts here. But you brought up the drones and actually I'm glad you did that because I wanted to ask you about recently, literally like within this week, we saw another drone incursion and it caught a lot of people off guard. There's a lot of reports that came out out of Europe, specifically over, I know Germany in some cases, and also Copenhagen in Denmark and the airport there. They had these mysterious big drones flying over the airport and in other areas

sounds familiar, obviously. And I think it was Christopher Sharp from the Liberation Times who reported on this recently saying that there were a lot of people eyewitnesses described a very panicked scene. People yelling and screaming. They don't know what it is.

So are we looking at the same type of situation? And I know this is very early, so information is going to change. But do you think we're looking at the same type of situation we saw over New Jersey? Or is this possibly some type of, because I know, look, over there, things are a little bit different with the war between Russia and Ukraine, just geographically speaking. Could this be some type of adversarial, you know, type of incursion from Russia where they're flying over some type of drone over Danish airspace? I mean, is that a possibility?

Yeah. So, I mean, right off the bat, the, the, the, the similarities between what we saw in New Jersey over Langley for years, not just this year, but for years. And what we're seeing over in Europe and Denmark specifically, they're almost identical and equally disturbing. Denmark, you know, is this a Russian adversary thing? Russia, of course, has recently in the last couple weeks been harassing NATO for sure. They've been flying lots of drones over Polish airspace. You know, they've been pushing back. against NATO support of Ukraine for sure. Denmark does not even fall in their top 10 of countries that they would harass to disrupt NATO efforts.

Okay. Denmark is on no one's radar for like, hey, this is a high-valued country to mess with. Those Danish, oh man, are they pissing off half the world? Like that is, it's not happening. That is not even in a logical sense at all that they are anywhere on any adversary's radar. And not only that, they're not geographically located in an area where it's easy for Russia to do that. And there are way easier NATO allies that they could harass that are more threatening to NATO as an alliance to gain an effect. from the other NATO countries if Russia was so inclined as they seem to be of recent. So that doesn't check out at all. Okay.

The other thing is the amount of panic that these type of incidents instill on the local population. That is not anything a government would want to do to their own people at a mass scale like that. And not only that, if you look at it, Because there's all these other theories that I've enjoyed reading that are not accurate of, well, maybe it's a test to see reactions of the people and that. No, that is not what we do. That is not how we do that. That would not be after, let's say it's a test, New Jersey, all the way over to Pennsylvania,

all the way down to the Carolinas, all over the East Coast for months. hey you know what good test let's do that again and re-key it in denmark what that it what no yeah that that does not they're not they're not our our closest peer and capability within nato they're not um great britain would be um and to have that there it doesn't make any logical sense to find if something's anomalous oftentimes we look at you know occum's razor what is the easiest explanation and that's usually it right right um but there's no easy explanation for the new jersey drone thing right there's nothing that stands out as logical with any of it same is true for this what we're seeing just in the last 24 hours over

Europe. There's nothing logical that says that. Okay, they're all drones. They're all made here on earth. Okay, then you explain to me what they're doing. Who's doing it? What's the purpose of it? Why can't we find their point of origin? We can do that. We can we can determine a point of origin from a missile or an artillery round fired from a hundred miles away while it's in flight. you're telling me that our home defense radar systems cannot pick up the point of origin where these things came from you're lying you're concealing something either you don't know and that's scary or you do know and the truth is scary but to me this flavor is exactly the same it should not and cannot be written off as any easily logical uh you know chess play by any adversary or any sort of logical test on a civilian population. That doesn't pass the sniff test either. Amazing.

So we'll just have to kind of continue to see what happens there. But it is startling. I mean, it obviously, you know, brings us back to that time late last year over New Jersey. And now we kind of see something similar happening in Europe. So we'll just kind of continue to keep an eye on that one. But again, no answers, right? No concrete answers. So right

But yeah the question continues to be why Why is that happening and why can we get the answers It's watch watch for three things One watch this leave the news cycle as quick as it came into it That's usually an indicator Two Watch for an unacceptable answer Like oh it was FAA approved

What's FAA approved That is an unacceptable reason given by our government for the New Jersey incident. And three, watch how long it takes for this to end and before anyone says anything about it. All three of those things can key you into whether you are being told the truth or you're being told a narrative. And there's a big difference. Sometimes the narrative is a truth, but oftentimes a narrative is the story we're choosing

to tell because the truth is not acceptable. Man, amazing. It goes back to the hellfire strike on that unidentified object. The truth is unacceptable. That an anti-tank weapon couldn't take out an aircraft? Yeah. Well, we can't say that. What are the repercussions of that?

Exactly. So it's a balloon. That's it. Right. That was the, let's just go with it. Weather balloon. I know they didn't say weather balloon, but you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah.

Actually, on that note, so there were a couple of things that we did ask Anthony, and I want to get to that at the end before we're done, and it kind of has to do with the weather balloon situation, so that just kind of jogged my memory. Okay. I mean, amazingly, we've already been going here for a little while today for part two. So before we're done, I did want to get to your own personal sightings. You know, we talk about what everybody else has seen. And we've spoken here on this show more times than I can count now. I've lost track over the past few years. and we've never really spoken about your experiences. What has Anthony Williams seen in his own life? And now I believe there's three different occurrences. It used to be one.

Then it was two as of the past few months. And now it's three. So what's happened to you? What have you seen? Yeah. So, you know, not a, not a UFO guy by trait. You know, I mean, I enjoyed the movie E.T. grown up and, you know, all the sci-fi stuff, you know, it's awesome.

But, you know, never, I've always been grounded in the tangible my entire life. And it's really guided my career dealing in the tangible until during COVID, my wife and our children, we're out back in our backyard, having a bonfire late at night. And we live in an area that is in close proximity to a military installation. So it is not uncommon for military aircraft to be seen flying over. We are in two different traffic patterns. One civilian air corridor and another one we're in the greater flight pattern of the installation that we live nearby. So super common.

Our backgrounds in the military. we can tell you what kind of aircraft it is just by the sound it makes before it's even visual. The first thing that dropped our jaws was we saw a light at about two to 400 feet over our treetops, fly over an extremely bright orb, which I could have said at distance would have looked like an aircraft front facing white light, but it was brilliantly bright. There was no aircraft with it. It was just a light.

And then another one. And then another one. And another one. And in our area, there are oftentimes flights of as many as six or seven aircraft. My wife and I lost track counting at about 60 of these things

in a line. flying directly over, no sound, no means of propulsion, nothing else other than these lights flying over. If they were at the atmospheric level, would have been very easy to write off as a starlink constellation flying overhead. But even starlink constellations at that time were not that long, we're not that many satellites.

And after about 20, my wife, My wife and I are looking at each other and watching this in amazement. Now, my wife is a military pilot herself. So her and I are looking at each other with all of our decades of experience. And this is the creepiest thing we've ever seen. What we didn't realize is that the shock on our face was translating to our then 10-year-old and 2-year-old sons, or a 10 year old and 12 year old sons who at that point became very nervous and started to ask us, hey, what is that? And they saw it as well. And we wrote it off as, oh, it's just, you know,

just the military, you know, just doing a thing. And is it scary, dad? Is it scary? No, no, no, it's not scary. After we put them to bed, we immediately jumped on the what the hell was that bandwagon. Yeah. And unfortunately for us out at the bonfire at night, trying to, you know, isolate our time with our children, we really have a policy where we set our phones down at night. So we didn't have our phones with us. But that started our journey into figuring out what that was.

My wife was able to determine through the military installations air traffic control, there were no aircraft flying in or around that. airspace that time. Okay. And they shouldn't have been coming from the installation. And to this day, we've never seen anything like that before. We've never seen anything like that since. But that sent me down the rabbit hole in a way I can't explain.

And up until, you know, now sharing that story, I fall into the same category as the majority of witnesses. I have no evidence. I have no video to share with you. You have to take me at my word for it. That's what I call the unfortunate witness. They're probably telling the truth, but who knows? Yeah.

So the second incident was less than a year ago out in a desert area in New Mexico. Yes, this is about what now, about three or four years later after that first sighting. Yes. Yep. This is, yeah, this is just months ago. There's about two dozen fellow special operators out in the desert on the side of a hill. And we're talking, we're going around the horn, you know, one at a time. So when one person's listening, we're all focused in on that.

One of the Air Force special operators was called on to give his opinion on the topics that we were discussing. And he, we all looked over at him and we said, hey, man, your turn. And he said, oh, I'm sorry. I'm just staring at this UFO. To which we all look up in the direction where he's looking. And there is a bright, not perfect circle, almost like a blue cartoonish blanket, it neon bright lightsaber blue light. Wow.

With a bright orb in the middle that's stationary, off in the distance, and then rapidly accelerates right at our direction. Really? Without stopping, makes a 90-degree turn. The blue aura around it goes away, and it's just the orb and it shoots straight up out of the atmosphere. Holy cow.

Where was this again? To which, what's that? Where was this again? This was in New Mexico. Okay. At that point, all of us have stopped talking. Everyone is jaw dropped, and everyone's looking at each other saying, you guys saw that, right?

Like, everyone just saw that. When we talked to some of the locals the next morning, the first words out of my mouth was, you're not going to believe what we saw last night. and the property owner of that land said, oh, did you see a UFO? We see them all the time out here. Wow.

Jaw-dropping, mass sighting, qualified observers, people from every branch of service in the special operations community all witnessing the same thing. Amazing. And then most recently, last Tuesday I can share because I called you and put you on speakerphone. Yeah, I was a verbal witness, I guess you could say. I am trying to mind my own business, being a good husband, taking our garbage cans down to the end of the driveway.

And our driveway is about a tenth of a mile long. And after these two other sightings, like I do every night and like I'm sure many listeners to this show do at night on a clear night, they look up. Sure. And maybe they'll see something. And maybe they won't. Well, I'm looking up. and at about what I would say, the atmospheric level, I see something flying south to north,

southwest to northeast, overhead. And to me, it strikes me as a satellite. And I'm trying to get the front lights on our porch are kind of blocking my view as I get closer to the house. So I moved to the side of the house where there's no lights. And all of a sudden I noticed it looks to be kind of zigzagging and then just disappears, just fades away. To which I said, huh, that's weird. So I keep looking for this to either reappear or another object.

And all of a sudden, at about a 90-degree turn from where I'm looking, I see another one of these objects now heading direct north to south. again seeming to zigzag and then it disappears. And by the time the third one comes into view coming now east to west zigzagging. Wow. I call my wife, who's God bless her soul, trying to put our kids to bed. And I disrupt this, which any listener that has young children knows that that is a routine at night. you do not interrupt. And I interrupted.

I said, hey, you've got to come out here. There's something in the sky. So she comes running out with our little children in tow. And we start looking up. At this point, I spot another one. And my wife says, oh, I see it. She's not looking at the one I'm looking at. Oh, wow.

And now there's three in the sky at a time. And that's when I called you. And again, an unfortunate witness. We tried to image it. But with the washout from the cities, our cameras could not pick anything up. But I call you on speakerphone. And I think you were as close as you could be without seeing it. And even my daughter spotted one, you know, elementary school.

Oh, Daddy, there's one there. My wife goes, there's another one. And they were zipping all around. And this probably went for, I don't know, how long were we on the phone? minutes yeah about that minutes maybe and it was probably going on for five minutes before I called you but quite exceptional of an experience so for me you know all three of those fall into what so many other witness account state what so many of these videos show is the unexplainable something that can't be written off Occam's razor does not apply here

There is no easy answer. You know, you could say, oh, well, you know, satellites in different orbit, you know, have different directions and they're on different horizons and planes. Yeah, I got that. They don't zigzag and they don't just randomly disappear when they should be in the field of view if that's a trajectory they're heading on. Having a very good military education on space-based capability, that's not how that works. Yeah. Not to mention and lower Earth. orbit, they wouldn't slow down or speed up that way the way that they were doing it. So

quite amazing. So those are my three. Yeah. You know, I pray everyone has one, has something that they see, you know, share at your own demise. I've never really shared those stories other than to close family. And of course, you know, not on the air, but now I'm sharing this on the air. Yeah. And but yeah. And I appreciate that. I know it's kind of a big step to share that in such a big public forum like this. So I appreciate you being open enough to do it. They are exceptional. I mean, they really are exceptional sightings. And what has always intrigued me about all three of those stories is that you weren't alone. You had a witness. In both cases, two cases it was your family. but in the other case it was fellow military members from all branches who are seeing the same thing happen right overhead and nobody from any of the branches with all the experience can explain what you're seeing and that is yeah it's a huge testament to what was truly anomalous of what was what you were seeing yeah the the human mind can do all sorts of things you know if you want to see something your brain will staff that right so um you know if it were just me

seeing something by myself. I'm, you know, there's other logical, oh, maybe I didn't need something today or I'm a little tired or, you know, it could be written off a number of different ways or, you know, you start to question yourself as time sets in, did I, did I really see that? But fortunate enough for me, I've never been alone, you know, when I've seen those things. So that's, that group with the military, we talked about that for weeks afterwards. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, I can only imagine.

But, yeah, I mean, thanks again for sharing those because I think that also helps other people who might have similar sightings to maybe say, all right, maybe I'll talk about mine. And they're really incredible. But before we're done here, Anthony, I do want to get to a couple of the questions that came our way. I put the Anthony Williams bat signal out there to say if anybody has any questions for Anthony. then let me know because we're going to be talking here today for part two. I did get a couple that I wanted to kind of put your way to see what you think. Now, this one, it might be, I'm not sure it's in your wheelhouse. So if it isn't, that's totally fine.

But someone with the name of provocateur, 1955 on Twitter says, that's not bad, right? I like it. And say, please ask him why so many are convinced that it is a balloon, talking about the Burleson video. And he goes on to talk about Chris Leto and David Fravor, you know, talking about similar things that they've seen. He says, is it because they didn't have access to the longer footage like you? Is that why so many people think it might be a balloon?

And then they also pose another question, but I'll ask you that first. Yeah. So if the video, if the video didn't cut off there and you, because you see that object, kind of morph shape a little bit, right? And it really reminded me of that sighting in the desert, New Mexico. That's what that light blue Jedi lightsaber blue thing was doing around that orb. That's what it looked like, to be quite honest. But if you didn't, if you didn't see the rest of the video, it's also what a large balloon would look like if it gets hit, but then it, then it immediately starts sinking in altitude until it terminates at sea level.

Yeah. Whether that's over ground or over water, it terminates. Because the rest of that video wasn't either made available to Eric Burleson or just was chose not to be shown, that's exactly why some people can write it off as a balloon. But it is most definitely not the end of that video. and those objects that it jettisons, or you can say debris, whatever you want to call it, those would also fall off and terminate quite rapidly,

you know, descending rapidly as they deflate, you know, and then terminate into the ground, assuming that if that is a balloon, the balloon is the thing that kept the other three in the air, okay? fortunately there is more of that video and it shows them continuing on in flight together as a group and then maneuvering against the wind so not directly into the headwind but maneuvering making a turn and carry on their path so yes that is why I think some people are easy to jump to the conclusion because if that's it and that thing goes down right after that sure it looks like a balloon

right okay and that's fair enough and I think that those make sense people are only going off of what they've seen and sure you know it's not really kind of keeping that thought in mind that there is more to this which is why I think it's so important for you to come on and talk about what else was out there so everybody can make up their own mind based off of the full story and they also asked could you elaborate on what's oh the the gorgon gorgon stare that ashton forbes has spoken about both on social media

and here on the show. I haven't had Ashton on here in a while, but the last time I did have him on, he spoke about that program, Gorgon Stair, and basically wanting to know, can you tell us a little bit more about what that is

and why it would be so secret? Yeah, I can't. This is the part, by the way, where I said, I'm not sure you're going to be able to answer it if it's really in your wheelhouse. I figure you would know about it,

but I figured you probably can't talk too much about Gorgon Stare, but, I mean, Can you say anything? No. No. Fair enough. But it is real.

It does exist. I would say that Ashton's very good at his research. Okay. All right. I guess we will leave it at that for the Gorgon Stare question. So we'll keep that in mind there. And then J. YOK 73 wants to know. And actually, this is where I said, you know, we mentioned the weather balloon before,

and I said it reminded me of a question that I got. I was excited to ask you about this question because you and I spoke about this privately. What are your thoughts about the National Archives picture about from the supposed Roswell crash site that was released within the past week or so showing, again, supposedly the crash site never seen this picture never seen before to the public,

showing this debris field from the Roswell crash back in 1947? Yeah, so it's in the National Archives, right? So that lends it some credibility right there, first of all. It's not on the National Enquirer. Right. The second thing is, to me, what stands out to me is that's not a weather balloon. Right. It's not a weather balloon.

Yeah. So what are we saying? Like, what are, is that accidental spillage or is that deliberate spillage? or is that more cookie crumbs being left? You know, so many people in this topic believe, you know, I hear the term all the time and I just having work with these individuals professionally, you know, oh, it's a sci-op. This is a sci-up.

That's a sci-up. I'm sure some people think I'm a sci-op. Whatever. Don't give us that much credit. This could be accidental spillage or it could be deliberate. it. But what it's definitely not is a weather balloon. And, you know, you and I have talked privately before, you know, what would I like to see for disclosure? I would like someone in authority to come out and say, yeah, we lied about Roswell. I think there's enough evidence and enough witness

testimony over the decades that we can emphatically lump it together and say, hey, that's not what happened at Roswell. That's not a weather balloon. So that that photo, that image is not a weather balloon. And I'm as interested in everyone as everyone is to see if we get any more clarity on that. I'd also be interested to see what agency loaded that into the National Archives, where it came, where it originated from, where it was being held. And what else? you know, you can't tell me that's the only thing that was uploaded from that. That's those are the only images we have. You know, it just leads to more questions and more digging.

So, yeah, to me, to me, that's one step closer to getting to what I really want to hear if someone come out and say, yeah, we lied about Roswell. It was a, it was a crash of a vehicle not from human, not a human-made vehicle. I would love to hear that publicly said. I think that gets us one step closer to that conversation. Whether in my lifetime we'll ever get it or not, I don't know. Well, we'll keep talking about it until we do.

And even afterwards, I mean, if we do get it, then there's even going to be more discussion to be had. But great questions there. I'm glad we can post some of those to you here today. And I've got one more question before we've been here, Anthony. And I'll get you out here on this. And I don't mean to do kind of like, you know, get you out on on a dark question, but it is something that I wanted to ask. Is there anything that

really kind of sticks in your head? I hate to say keeps you up at night, but anything that kind of sticks in your head with this subject, of all the things that you've seen and read and been right on to and know that the public doesn't know about it, and obviously you don't have to get specific, because I know you can't. But as there, out of all that stuff, is there something that just floats in your head from time to time and you're like, man, that's, that's pretty disturbing and it kind of worries me. And I wonder what people would think if they knew. Yeah, I, I'm more inclined than ever. And really, it was the New Jersey drone, uh, 180, that really gets me to believe or at least speculate harder that I really think there is something

that we as a society do not control with this disclosure. If wherever these things are coming from or whoever controls them, I think we don't know more because we're not allowed to know more. And I think the truth behind it, I think there is a potential that some aspects of the truth might be very disruptive to our society as a whole. I don't think that partial disclosure would be in any way, shape, or form unless the fact that someone in leadership discloses is a line crossing event for whoever is controlling these things. But I just feel like there's so much, we're at a tipping point where we have so tipping point where we have so much.

We have so much witness testimony. We know that what we're getting from the government is not the truth. Yet they keep sticking to the line. And really, the question should be, why are you sticking to the line? Maybe you don't want to tell us what it is. Why don't you tell us why? Why won't you tell us what it is? And just be honest that way.

Well, I guess we'll end it there. there. I think that's probably a good spot. And I know we can keep going, but just to kind of put that thought out there and really kind of chew on that along with everything else that we've spoken about here throughout this entire discussion. It's been educational is maybe the best way to put it. So, Anthony, thanks again for doing this. Anything else that you want to get off your mind? Any last words before we're done? You know, I think the last thing I just leave everyone with is, you know, What I mentioned earlier is with the UAP Disclosure Act, I think if we want to push the ball forward with disclosure,

find out who's blocking that and then ask those people why they're blocking it. Yeah. I think that would help out the likes of Eric Burleson, Timberchette, Luna, all these different congressmen and women that are trying to do the righteous work on behalf of the American citizens. And they're being blocked by their peers. So why are you hiding this from us? I think they owe us that.

A good final word there, Anthony Williams. Appreciate your time. Appreciate you doing this. Always great to have you on. Always great to get your perspective because quite frankly, not many people have your insight and your knowledge to be able to give the perspective that you do.

So it's always appreciated. Thanks so much for doing this. Yeah, I always enjoyed, Stephen. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Talk again soon. Anthony Williams here on UAP. Thanks.

Well, thanks again to Anne. Anthony, you know, I always say it, and I even say to him personally, I really do appreciate him making time. It's not like he isn't busy. And the fact that he makes time to come on here for such extended interviews, it's not like, you know, quick hitters of 15 or 20 minutes. We speak for an hour. And he takes that time out of his incredibly busy and important day to come on here and discuss what he's able to discuss with us for all this behind the scenes knowledge. It's invaluable, honestly. And so I appreciate it. And I know you do as well. And I'm sure we'll do it again sometime in the future, so we'll keep an eye on things until then. But we did mention the drones. Now, that is still something that is a point of contention. What I do find interesting on that, just some kind of post-credit thoughts here before we go.

On that situation, I do find it intriguing the response that we've seen so far from the Danish government. They're taking it very seriously. It's been a very different response, marketably different, actually, from what we saw from the U.S. government here in our country. in my country in the United States, where, you know, we saw the response of deny, deny, essentially. We don't act stupid. We don't know what's going on. Or then it was act stupid.

Here's what it is. And it was completely ridiculous. So what we're seeing in Denmark is completely different, which is really an upfront approach of we're taking this seriously. We're not sure what it is. But this is a very serious situation. Like they're not holding back, is what I. seen so far from Danish leadership, which I can appreciate. Be honest with the people.

And even if that means that, hey, this is serious and we're not sure what it is, but we're going to continue to look into it. That's what they're saying right now. So that is a continued developing and evolving situation. I'm curious to see how long it lasts. Will we see any clearer sightings? And will it spill over into any other population centers throughout Europe or come back here to the states in a widespread way like we saw last year. Could you imagine if that happens again? But I know they're seeing here and there in different spots, but I'm talking about widespread sightings like we saw last year. So again, we'll continue to keep an eye on that situation. A little house cleaning. I did want to mention something just to kind of elaborate when

Anthony and I were talking about reverse engineering capabilities of the U.S. government. I didn't want to make it sound like that Anthony was saying that, you know, we're not doing any reverse engineering at all. That's not even a thing. We spoke about this after we were done, actually, and I just wanted to come on here and clarify any possible misconceptions, just in case that's how it came off. And so just to clarify, when we spoke after the show, he did say to me, yeah, absolutely we are, you know, reverse engineering things. And it could be happening, and it probably is happening. His overall point was that his kind of take on it from his side view is that we have not gotten that far along as other people think we might have with

the reverse engineering capabilities or successes as far as having the triangle craft that can go instantaneous acceleration, stuff like that. That's what he was getting at. So I just wanted to kind of clear that up in case, again, there was any type of misunderstandings with what was being said there because I know it's a hotly contested subject. But other than that, I think the rest of the interview speaks for itself. So I won't make it any longer than it already has been. I appreciate you sticking around so long for this and for taking all into consideration. I thought it was very valuable. So I'm glad we got to present this to you here today. And again, thanks to Anthony for doing that for all of us. But until next time, be sure to continue to download and subscribe to

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