UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 162 The 3I/Atlas Enigma - Everything Explained

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

Everyone is talking about it, so let's figure it out. Stephen Diener breaks down the intriguing details regarding the much hyped interstellar object, 3I/Atlas, and gives you everything you need to know to decide for yourself what it might be. Aliens or a very odd naturally occurring comet? No hype, no fluff, and no panic, just the facts...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And today I'm excited to really dive in for really kind of the first time really dive into the three-eye Atlas, I guess anomaly, enigma, mystery, whatever word, whatever superlative you want to put on this thing, that's exactly what we're going to do today. Now, I've been keeping my eye on this for a while, obviously, just like a lot of you. And it's something that I brought up in the past, for sure, kind of mentioned it in passing, but I've been really wanting to just like kind of sit down and dig into it, go over the facts, and that's exactly what we're going to do today. No hype. I'm going to come on here and say this is aliens and they're coming to invade us and we're all going to die and I'm not coming on here to say shut up idiot it's a comet stop talking about it I'm not going to

either of those extremes what I want to do here today is just present to you what this thing is why are people talking about it so much why does it seem like every time you go on social media or you know especially on UFO Twitter as they say you know someone's got a new thing to say about it there's a new show about it there's a new episode about this and that and someone's being interviewed about it. Avi Loeb is on another broadcast talking about it. Why is it being brought up so much? Well, because there is some unique characteristics to it that we're going to get into in just a little bit.

But that's the thing that we're going to do here today is just really go over the ins and outs of this. And that way you can make up your own mind about it and know exactly what's going on from start to finish. So I'm looking forward to doing that. But before we get into all the good stuff, you know that there's got to be a fact. Let's do it. Ladies and gentlemen, the factoid. Gotta keep it going strong after all these years. Now, this kind of a factoid more,

it's like a factoid slash an honorable mention. And what I mean by that is these are two things that I'm actually going to mention that I really could do an entire episode, a feature episode on these things just by themselves. And maybe I'll do that in the future, especially concerning the drones over a year. Europe. Now, when it comes to that, again, this is more of an honorable mention for this one,

there isn't really a lot of concrete things to say. It's a very strange situation. It's very reminiscent of what we went through here in the States back in late 2024 through into the holiday season. And even in England, where that happened around the same time, October, November of 2024, and that led into what we saw here, November, December of 2020. 24. And we're seeing the same type of things over parts of Europe with Denmark and even in parts of Germany, even some reports in France. And it's really just very mysterious. A lot of people don't understand what they're seeing. You have government officials coming out saying that some are reports of drones and some are reports of things that we don't know what they are. So they're trying

to be upfront about it, but they don't really know how to explain what's happening. And again, what we're seeing, just like what we saw here, are incursions over sensitive installations, including airports and military bases. So those things are still happening, and we don't really have a lot of answers, but we do have a lot of reports, that is for sure. Now, on the other end of things, when I talk about what I probably could do a whole feature episode on by itself, is this new report that came out from, I think it was the Daily Mirror in the UK, and then the New York Post picked it up, and then other public

It's kind of gone viral. I know I saw it on Yahoo. I saw it in all these different places. And that is the report from this DNA specialist. I may name Dr. Max Remple, who is kind of just a overall expert in biology, I guess we can say. The guy's been around a long time when I went to go look into his history. And he's not some type of, you know, crackpot scientist. This is someone who's done decades of research into gene biology. And I mean, that is, is his specialty and he came out with this report that said there's alien DNA in humans and of course that sent shockwaves throughout the community and it brought up you know a lot of different discussions that have been spoken about before when it came when it when it comes to has there been gene splicing been done on humans from aliens look I just put out oddly enough you know the timing the timing on some

the things I do I swear it's not on purpose it really just ends up this way but I just put out what last week a few days back my greatest hits series on alien hybridization i mean so and then this report comes out from this dr max guy and it sends shockwaves throughout the entire community and gets people talking about these theories these reports of people who say they've been abducted and you know maybe they have implants maybe there's been different things that have been extracted from them, whether it be blood or something having to do with reproduction. And now you have this, you know, expert gene biologist come out and say, we've done studies on numerous families.

And we found in, you know, over a dozen families where they have people who say they've been abducted by aliens. And when they do the DNA testing on them, there are traces of non-human DNA. Now, he's also cautioned to say that this has not yet been peer reviewed, but these are his preliminary findings, even though he does say that more study needs to be done. But, I mean, it's pretty startling to start off with. Like, this is his starting point, is saying that he has found in numerous different people from various families that their DNA does not match their parents or any other human DNA. So what is it then? and it matches people who have said that they have been abducted and feel like they have been

experimented on. So this lends to the theories, longstanding theories about alien hybridization in humans. It's an incredible study. It's a fascinating study. And it's one that's caught the attention of a lot of people just like 3i Atlas has. And it's really kind of captured the imagination of the casual UFO observer. Is there something to this? Is this the first real concrete proof of a.

possible alien hybridization program that has been going on, you know, quite possibly for a long time. You can decide on how long that might be. Is it decades? Is it centuries? Is it millennia? Who really knows? But the fact that this, you know, Dr. Max guy has come out to say, yeah, we've done the studies and we're seeing some pretty strange stuff is really quite incredible. So I'm actually going to try to reach out to him. I'm just going to throw that out there. I have no idea where it's going to go. Maybe he doesn't want to talk about it. So Dr. Max Remple, sorry, sorry I keep calling you Dr. Max Guy. That wasn't out of disrespect. Dr. Max Remple, if you're listening, love to have you on to discuss this. Boy, what a study. That really shocked a lot of people.

But it also, a lot of people felt vindicated after it as well, because it really pointed to what many people have theorized over the years, an alien hybridization program. Maybe. But getting back to the meat of the conversation here today, I mentioned that there, the three-eye Atlas Enigma. What are we looking at exactly? And why has this become such a big thing? Well, let's start at the beginning here. It's become a big thing because just in astronomy terms, this is really quite unusual what

we're observing. It's only the third time that an interstellar object has been discovered and studied from far. And this one was discovered back on July 1st of this year, 2025. And since that discovery, over a few months ago now, studies have been done showing that it could weigh up to 33 billion tons and measure three miles wide. So that's what we're talking about for size. Now, for comparison sake, when we try to kind of put that into our minds and compute that when we think about, okay, 33 billion tons and three miles wide, that sounds pretty big. Well, just to put it into perspective, it's a mile wider than the entirety of

Manhattan. Yes, Manhattan measures. And I looked this up just to make sure, because I actually didn't know this. Manhattan measures at around two miles wide at its widest point. So this thing is a mile wider than the entire island of Manhattan. So again, kind of startling perspective, but that's the size that we're looking at of this thing according to the studies that have been done. Of course, it's not like anybody's gone up there and measured it, but these are the studies that have been done. Now, since the discovery of 3i Atlas back on July 1st, there's been a massive amount of speculation and theories and talk about

what this thing is, given, like I said, that it's only the third interstellar object discovered. So it's a big deal just in those terms. But it really started to gain more mainstream attention when the headlines came out that said, Harvard professor says that interstellar object could be aliens. Now, we know that Harvard professor is actually Avi Lo, but we know him very well here in the UFO community because he's worked with the Galileo Project. And he's one of the most prominent names as far as astrophysicists are concerned.

I had trouble saying that there. Astrophysicists as far as they are concerned when it comes to his openness and willingness to consider something that might be extraterrestrial. Maybe there is something out there that can't be explained naturally or prosaically. And Avi Loeb is the most prominent name in the scientific community that is willing to come out and say that. And he said it here when it came to 3.3i-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-Ratless. So for those who didn't know Aviolbe, and they see the headline, Harvard professor says that interstellar object could be aliens, that naturally becomes a big attention-getter.

And since then, he has made the rounds everywhere. I mean, he's been on many shows and many shows and many, networks nationally over the past few months. And so much so, I tried to get him back on here. I've tried to reaching out to Avi a couple of different times. He's been on the show. As you know, you probably heard that a few months back, but his schedule has just become almost unmanageable, I would assume.

So hopefully we'll get him back on here soon. But he's been on many other shows nationally talking about this, especially over the past few weeks, as Atlas has continued to get closer to Earth. And one thing that Avi has said that grabs the headlines even more and continues to say, even up through the past couple of days

in the interviews that he's done, is that he gives it a 30 to 40% chance that this interstellar object is something more than just your average everyday comet. Now, he had said that, like I mentioned, a couple months ago, but he has continued to say, he hasn't wavered off of that.

even within the past couple of days, giving it that 30 to 40% probability. And he has publicly stated that we should not discount that probability because we could be looking at something extraterrestrial. He has said that. But he has also said that he believes, and he's gone out of his way to preface it by saying that it is most likely a comet.

But if that is the case, if he is going to come out and say, well, this is most likely a comet, then why even bring up the other side of the discussion when it comes to aliens? And why do people even talk about this thing as being anything other than a regular old comet? What's all the speculation about if Avi said himself that it is most likely a comet? And that matches many other mainstream scientists and astrophysicists who have concluded the same. Well, all the hype and speculation is because this object,

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Hawaii starts here. Now let's start at the color that has been observed with 3-Eye Atlas. It has actually been observed to have a green hue to it. Now, that's not completely unique. That's, you know, sometimes seen with when it comes to comets. Because what happens is, and some of this is going to get a little bit sciencey, so I apologize if it's a little bit dry, but it's all still very fascinating because, again, these are the facts.

So I want you to hear this, and that way you can make up your own mind in all this. But when a comet gets that green hue, it's because the C2, not CO2, the carbon, the C2, this structure of carbon, normally starts to burn off as the comet gets closer to the sun, which causes the green hue. Here's the problem, though, when it comes to 3i Atlas. It doesn't have any C2. So where is the green hue coming from? It needs C2, which is the normal carbon signature that would give it that color. Furthermore, the halo, or they call it the coma.

So you might hear that sometimes when they're talking about this Atlas object. They call it the coma, which is that halo that you normally see around a comet, has CO2. That's been observed in there. And it has, which is fine. But the other strange part of this is that the CO2, far outweighs the amount of H2O, the amount of water vapor that is being found within this so-called coma, the halo, around Atlas. That is highly unusual. You don't normally see that in your normal everyday comet to have a higher measure of CO2 rather than H2O, the water vapor that is supposed to be coming out of there.

Now, what's also weird about this when we talk about, you know, what's supposed to be burning all, off as it gets closer to the sun is the amount of nickel or iron that would come off of a comet. Now, here's the thing. There is a ton of nickel coming off of 3i Atlas. The problem is it's not close enough to the sun yet for the amount of nickel that is being measured and observed coming off of this thing. So that's one thing that is really confounding scientists, including Navi Loeb and that's why he this is one of the reasons why he's continuing to talk about this thing and in giving it like this 30 to 40% probability that it's not something natural that it could be something that might be extraterrestrial this is one of the big reasons why is because it is giving

off these signatures of nickel way too soon it would normally need to be a lot closer to the sun Now, oddly enough, we do see this emission of nickel in space connected to rocket boosters. Normally, rocket engines are made from alloys that are high in nickel content. So when those burn a lot of nickel, it ends up in the exhaust gas. And that is what is being observed with 3-Ey Atlas. Now, I'm not saying, again, okay, I'm not saying what. way or the other here that's, well, this is obviously proof that this is something that has, you know, exhaust coming out of it. It's being propelled by some type of combustion engine.

I have no idea if that's true or some type of energy source that that's pushing it other than, you know, the natural propulsions of space. I'm just letting you know what's being observed here, and this is why, one of the reasons why Avi Loeb is giving it that probability of 30 to 40%. It's fascinating. Another thing, when I'm not a... it comes to the nickel and that Avi Loeb has recognized and reported on recently is that this high amount of nickel is also extremely unique versus the low amount of iron. In fact, he said that is something that has never been observed before in Comets. Now, when you put that in there, never been observed, this high amount of nickel versus a low

amount of iron, if any iron at all when it comes to Three-Eye Atlas. Avi Lowe has mentioned that specifically in some of the interviews that he's been in, and that has been observed. This is an observable property. It's not something that's speculative. It's an observable property of 3i Atlas, and it's never been observed before in a comment. So very strange. Now, I did speak about the size before, and I want to kind of highlight that again because the movement of this thing has remained steady. Why is size important when we talk about the movement?

Well, there have been other interstellar objects, the other two, that have been bigger, or even other comets that have been bigger. They didn't have to be interstellar objects. They could be, you know, within our own galaxy, so to speak. And they have been bigger than 3i Atlas and what we're observing there. And those comets, actual comets that we know it to be, had a lot of movement in them during their trajectory. That is a normal observable property of a comet. In the case of 3-Eye Atlas, though, we're not seeing that.

In a highly unusual observation, the movement has almost remained completely the same. There have been slight variations, but nothing to show that it's moving like a normal comet, which again has kind of raised the eyebrows of people who are watching this thing. It's highly unusual in the way that it has really not deviated from its, trajectory, especially as it moves closer to the sun, because as a comet moves closer to the sun, it releases a lot of gases, right? The more heat, the more gas releases from these comets. And what happens then is that it causes like this thruster effect. And it makes it move around a lot. You get a lot of bouncing around. We've seen that with other interstellar objects. We've seen that

with other comets throughout history. Those have been observed. With Atlas, we're not seeing that. For all intensive purposes of space measurements, it's essentially moving in a straight line. Okay? I know it's not exactly a straight line, so you can fact, I don't need to be fact-checked on that. I'm saying for space measurement purposes, because it's essentially, the movement is so small that it's barely being reported on. And that's one of the other things that is very highly unusual about this object. Now, like I said, other comets have, when they've been observed, even bigger ones,

again, worth mentioning again, that they have had a lot of movement. So this lack of movement and kind of couple that with the high measure of nickel, which we see in other rocket boosters, have led some people to theorize that maybe we're looking at some type of guided craft. Again, completely up to you, but these are the facts. Maybe this is just something that is completely coincidental, right? this very this highly unusual presence of nickel versus iron and this highly unusual trajectory as it barely moves off its course maybe all these these things are coincidental but the fact is

that those two factors normally point to some type of steady guided craft with some type of propulsion attached to it so that's one thing one reason why a lot of people have been paying attention to this object in a different way than other comets or other interstellar objects in the past. Also, it shouldn't be forgotten when we talk about the trajectory of this thing. The probability of its close flybys to Venus and Mars and Jupiter like we're seeing right now, the probability of that happening for all three planets are 0.005%. Now, not impossible, but again, like with everything else with this object, highly unlikely. So with all that said, and those factors being considered, what else has been discovered?

What else has been observed when it comes to this object? Well, there have been photos released recently from different orbitors and rovers. And this is where things also get kind of interesting on another aspect. And this is where you kind of start to get into the theories and speculations part of the story. Really intriguing stuff here. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world. and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee,

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three eye atlas to be this like elongated object and so that of course caught the attention of a lot of people who thought oh my gosh what are we looking in here that is not what a common is supposed to look like now since then it has been uh widely reported and debunked i guess you could say that that picture now the picture is real from the mars rover but the elongated shape has been explained to be basically just uh due to the long exposure time that the long exposure time of the camera. It gave us that elongated object look. The shape of Atlas is not that elongated object that we saw from the Perseverance rover picture that came out. And so again, that caused a little bit of a panic for a little while until everyone realized, oh, wait a minute,

that's just coming from the long exposure time of the camera. But what other pictures did we get from any orbitors or rovers? Well, we were supposed to get pictures from the NASA orbiter that was going around, Mars at the time that 3-I Atlas was going by the area of Mars. Unfortunately, due to the government shutdown that is still going on as we speak here in doing this episode, NASA has said that they don't have the means to release those photos from the orbiter because of the shutdown. So that's where that stands.

Now, make of that what you will, but that's the word command of NASA. So sorry, we can't give you the pictures that everyone was hoping for and waiting for when it was supposed to pass by this area through October 3rd and 4th because of the government shutdown. That said, NASA wasn't the only game in town. The European Space Agency is also up there along with China. And I mentioned them specifically because I'll tell you why in just a second. But the European Space Agency, the ESA, published a couple of photos

that really caught the attention of observable. who are looking at this thing because as they slowed down and even a little bit of a video from the orbiter that was going around from the ESA and as people slowed that down again maybe this is just a distortion effect but you see Atlas the light of Atlas changing shapes in each frame it becomes like a star shape it becomes like this weird kind of hexagonal shape and then it goes into an orbish shape and so again maybe that's just the fluctuations the distortion of the camera it was 30 million kilometers away this uh ESA picture this video um this this quick look if you will at three eye atlas 30

million kilometers away which by the way I know that sounds super far but that was the closest look that we've gotten at three eye atlas was from this ESA look so they released that and that kind of got everybody talking because they're like well what is this weird you know shape changing going on. Now, is that the actual properties of Atlas? Or again, was it because of the distortion of the camera as it moves and we go frame by frame of this thing? And it just looks like it's changing shapes because of, you know, the way it's being filmed or the way the pictures are being taken. Now, for what it's worth, the ESA says that their look at 3i Atlas shows the hallmark signatures of a comet's halo showing gas and dust. So that's where they stand on it.

which is completely fair. So that's where things stand on the American and European front of those orbitors or rovers that were able to take pictures as Atlas approached the Mars area. But what about China? I mentioned them, and there was a reason why, because China also has a probe up there, and there's the Tianwen 1, which translates, by the way,

yes, I did the translation on this. That actually translates to Questions to Heaven. their TN1 operates independently of NASA or the ESA China has their own game right they do their own thing when it comes to how they work stuff

in space they don't have the same regulations that NASA and the ESA do they're doing their own thing up there now some have theorized that maybe this is just a theory but some have theorized that TN1 might have their own pictures

and if that's the case and if China was able to take pictures or video with their orbiter, with their probe, then why not release it? Now, this gets into the geopolitical discussion, okay, when we talk about China, U.S., and Europe, some have speculated that if China had the goods, and they're able to say, hey, we got the clearest photo, we beat out USA, we beat out Europe, we want to show it off.

That's speculation. But what some have found, strange is that China hasn't done that. They haven't released any photos or video or anything from their TN1 operation. Is that because maybe it didn't come out as clear as they were hoping? Maybe they missed it. Maybe it didn't work. Or is there something else to this?

Did they catch something that they agreed with other nations that they shouldn't release? Now, I know that might sound like I'm reaching and that's completely fine. I just want to put out the speculations and the theories that some people are saying for consideration. It's just kind of strange. Again, maybe they could absolutely have a prosaic explanation to it that maybe it just didn't work. And that that could absolutely be the case. Or it did work and they have agreed not to release what they caught for whatever reason that might be. So that's what we're looking at when it comes to the geopolitical environment.

in space and who captured what. But also, where is this thing going and where is it now? Now, as of now, we mentioned that Atlas was passing by Mars, which is why we're getting some of these images coming in. It's going to make its closest approach to the sun around Halloween time, October 30th and 31st. It's going to be just inside the orbit of Mars at that point and be closest to the sun. So hopefully we should be able to get maybe some different. images at that point because as it gets closer to the sun, then more of these gases and more

of these elements should be burning off like we would see from a normal comet. So I'm sure a lot is going to be looked at then once it makes that approach to the sun towards the end of October. Now, as it continues to make its way towards Earth, it's passing it away. And this is what I really wanted to get out here today as well, because I was always kind of under the impression that it's going to like, you know, go right by Earth. and we can see it with telescopes. That's not the case at all.

You're not going to be able to stand out there with your handheld telescope and look, unfortunately, because it's set to pass in such a way where it's going to be on the opposite side of the sun and the earth. So we won't see it until after it passes. Now, of course, that is where all the answers are going to come. Because if all of a sudden we come out on the other side of this thing and it's still there,

then that means it's slowed down and or it changed direction and it didn't follow on its prescribed path like any other comet would where it keeps going. That would give a pretty clear answer that this is not a normal everyday comet.

Now before then, Atlas is also going to be observed by the European Space Agency around Thanksgiving time here, around November 25th, the ESA is going to observe this thing with one of their Jupiter probes. So we're going to get different looks as we head through October and into November, late into November,

and then as it's supposed to come out on the other side, the closest it's going to get to Earth is on December 19th. So about a week before Christmas, give or take. It's going to be 167 million miles away. So according to the studies, that's the closest it's going to get to Earth is 167 million miles away. So not exactly, you know, light years, but it's also, you know, almost. almost double the distance of the sun at 93 million miles away. So a little bit less than double the distance of the sun is where this is how close Atlas is going to get to Earth around the area of December 19th toward the end of this year of 2025. So all the speculation about this thing about what it is, a lot of our questions are going to get answered as it gets closer to the sun and to Earth.

And as long as it follows on that path and keeps going, then we'll have an idea of, okay, this. thing really was a comet. It's just giving us, you know, observable properties that we've never seen in a comet or an interstellar object before. I know I sound like such a nerd, but this stuff really, it excites me, which is why I love talking about it with you here on UAP, on all the different subjects that we cover here. And the one last thing that I have to mention, and this can't be ignored, because when you talk about, you know, coincidences and things that are hard to explain and might be connected, you have to mention how this connects to the wow signal. Now, the wow signal was something that was discovered back in 1977 at the University of Ohio State.

And it was basically this burst of energy that gave off this really unique signal that had never been measured before. Usually, you know, they got like a lot of zeros and ones and twos that corresponded to different forms of energy. All of a sudden, they started to get fives and six and sevens and it lasted for 72 seconds. And this, again, was measured back in 1977. and it has never been measured again since then. And they called it the wow signal because the guys who were working there, when they looked at the measurements on the paper, the readout that was coming out, they exclaimed, wow.

So they kind of got the name the wow signal. And it was discovered coming from the area of the constellation of Sagittarius. Now, the reason why we bring that up is because the area of Sagittarius, is where it is said, yes, you probably guessed it, it's where it said that 3A Atlas was also coming from, where it was around the area where it was first discovered. Now, Avi Loweb actually spoke about this in a recent interview. I don't want to just play a little bit of what he said here

because he talks about the energy output from the wow signal and from 3i Atlas and how they might connect. Something interesting to consider here before we're done. Here's Avi. The amount of power that was needed to produce that signal is about a gigawatt, the output of a nuclear reactor that we have here on Earth. So it's quite possible to have such a nuclear reactor on a gadget that is the width of Manhattan Island. More than the width of Manhattan Island, as you heard him allude to there. But he's talking about the energy output from the wow signal, that it would correspond to one gigawatt,

which is what we see from nuclear reactors. So is it possible? Again, this is just a theory. It's just something to consider, but is it possible that we actually inadvertently discovered 3-I Atlas way back in 1977 with the wow signal? Is it possible that Atlas was actually the object that gave off that burst of energy

comparable to what we've seen a nuclear reactor with one gigawatt? And that's what we measured back. in 1977, since, again, Atlas was coming from that area of Sagittarius, as it made its way through its interstellar travels. Just something to consider. Maybe it's not connected, but just throwing this out there when it comes to probabilities. Avi also mentioned that there was a 0.6% chance that both of these things, the signal and Atlas, would both be around the same spot.

again just the probabilities there those are those those those are the facts so something to consider is it just coincidental or did we actually discover this thing back in 1977 and we just didn't know what it was until we could observe it with you know our telescopes here in 2025 it's really interesting and if it did give off that energy signal if it did get off that that gigawatt burst why why would he give off that burst why would he give off a burst comparable to what we see in a nuclear reactor. And it is obviously big enough to have something like that on there. But again, that would point to something that is guided.

That would point to something that is constructed. That is extraterrestrial. What are we going to find out? Again, most things point to this being a comet, which is what Avi Lobb has said and what many other scientists and astrophysicists have said. And what most people say that this is being, there is way too much made out of this. And everyone's going to look foolish. were saying it's not a comet because it's obviously a comet.

But I wanted to come on here, like I said at the start, to just give both sides of the story. Just give right there in the middle, not one way extreme or the other, and just let you know what's happening. Very interesting to consider. That's all. Because here's the fact, and this is the last thing I'll say, is that we are seeing something that we've never seen before. The unique composition and the course that we've, all these factors that we've spoken about

here today during this episode of UAP, all these unique factors, all these things that have either never been observed before or they can't explain why they're seeing them, whether it's the composition or the trajectory or all these things that, you know, made out of, whatever it might be, the lack of movement, all these highly unusual or unique things, the fact is those things are being observed. So at the very least, the very least, we're watching and never before seeing astronomical event. That's the very least. So just in that aspect,

this is something that is absolutely worthy of attention because we're looking at an astronomical improbability of the highest degree. And at the very most, it's something other than a comet. And that's why I love talking about these things, because we get to consider it all here on UAP.

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