UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 163 The Incredible Claims of the Thiaoouba Prophecy

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

Are you ready for this? Stephen Diener sits down with Samuel Chong, an attorney by trade, but also an expert on the explosive claims found within the "Thiaoouba Prophecy." Does this book written by a man who says he was taken to an alien planet for 10 days, really give us the answers to some of humanities most pressing questions? Enter into this conversation with an open mind...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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named Samuel Chung and it's not a name you might know offhand. But Samuel is an attorney by trade, but he's someone who finds this topic to be extremely fascinating in his own right. And so much so that's way back when he dug into a book called the Theuba Prophecy. And today, Samuel is coming on to the show to speak to us about this book. Now, if you've never heard of the Theuba Prophecy, it was written by a man, not Samuel, it was originally written by a man named Michelle, born in front. France lived in Australia and worked as a landscaper, just a normal person. And with a very unusual story, to say the least.

And Michelle, what it ends up happening is in the late 80s, he says he's abducted by these Nordic-type aliens taken to a planet named Theuba and was there for 10 days and shown everything about humanity and given all the secrets of humanity and world history and was told to put all the information down into a book for people. to be able to consume. Now, that said, I just want to put this out there to start off. As you know, with UAP, with the show here, it's always about making up your own mind. You listen and decide for yourself.

I had to take part in that myself today, admittedly, because with this subject, with this book, I, again, admittedly, had never heard of it before. And maybe that's on me. Maybe you're completely familiar with this. but I was not until this interview. So I was kind of learning along the way. My questions to Samuel actually came from genuine curiosity. I was really just reacting, as you'll hear in the interview,

I was really just reacting to what he was saying. I actually, it's funny, I'm holding it up now as I'm talking, but I had a piece of paper here, and it's blank. And what I planned on doing was writing down a bunch of questions to ask Samuel, and I'm looking at this piece of paper now as I speak to you, and this piece of paper is completely blank. There's nothing written on it. because what ended up happening was during this discussion,

I just became so naturally curious that it just became follow-up question after follow-up question, which led to one thing after another. So I really enjoyed it. I know Samuel did, but again, you really have to keep an open mind with this. Like I said, it's always about deciding for yourself. And some of the things that I heard along the way, admittedly, made me raise an eyebrow like, I'm not sure about that. Now, maybe that's my own bias.

you'll hear what I'm talking about as we get into it. But by all means, take it in, consider it, try to connect any dots that might make sense to you. Because if nothing else, it's information. And it's a story that might have implications on some different topics. And it's just extremely interesting to consider. So I think that kind of sets the table well enough to where you can take this in. But again, open mind, take it for what it's worth. You may not believe everything you hear in.

that is completely fine, but at least listen to the conversation and take it from there. So it's myself, Samuel Chong, who is a really just an investigator. He's a normal guy again, attorney by trade. He came across this book called The Theobo Prophecy, and it fascinated him so much that he actually tracked down the author and ended up having conversations with him in person. And he actually helped, and you'll hear us talk about this, get the book published in China and in Taiwan. So he's an expert on this book. expert on the topics and the conversations and the details that are presented in this book,

the Thuba Prophecy. So extremely fascinating conversation, quite frankly, and I don't think I'm exaggerating here. It's unlike one I've ever had here before on the show. So enough talk. Here's the interview. Myself, Samuel Chung, right here on UAP, and stick around for some afterthoughts. But for now, enjoy.

Well, I'm really excited for this conversation because it is personally, right up Mya Alley. We go into a lot of different things on the spiritual aspect and more with Samuel Chung here today. A researcher, a lawyer, a just all around intellectual when it comes to the UFO topic. Samuel, thanks so much for coming on to UAP here today. I'm excited to talk to you. Yeah, thanks for having me here. So there's a lot to get to. And it's based off of the book that you came across called the Thuba Prophecy. And you actually... actually got this book. Now, you didn't write the book, so I just want to make that clear for anybody listening or watching here. But it's a book that you came across that was originally

published in 1989 from an Australian author. Do I have that right? Yes, he wrote it until it published actually in 1993. Okay. And so you come across this book, the Theobo Prophecy, and it just completely fascinates you. It brings you into the UFO topic, and you actually ended up tracking down the author and got the book published in China and Taiwan. So So tell me a little bit about that and why this book, the Theobah Prophecy, fascinated you so much? And what is the Theobah Prophecy for anybody who's never heard of it? Why should we know about this? It's so fascinating because it connects all the mysteries of the paranormal together

and answers all the mysteries of the world. It actually is a story of the author, his personal experience, of being taken by the ETs to their planet for nine days and then came back. He was instructed by the E.T.s to write this book, and I consider this book to be the modern version of the book of Enoch. It's a very interesting book. It's a lot of answers to, for example, the Great Pyramid of Egypt, the Bermuda Triangle, the meaning of life, the stories in the Bible, and so as some of other warnings from the E.T.s to us. So with this author, and he had these experiences, when you did go to meet him, what did you find? Because you read the book, And then you go to actually find the author. When you got there, were you taken aback? Were you, like, what was your reaction when you actually got to meet the person who wrote this book?

Well, he was just a regular person. He was originally a landscaper in Australia, in Keynes, Queensland, Australia. He didn't have a lot of education. He really didn't know how to type on computer. A very, very regular person, but he was very cynical about how things were going. on earth in the world back then when I met him. And he wasn't really happy to see me because he wanted to keep everything by himself. He didn't want to be bothered.

But I wanted to know more about what else he knew that couldn't write in the book. So that kind of began our relationship. Okay. So is the author is still with us today? Do you guys still stay in contact? No, he passed away in 2018. Okay. But were you still in contact before then?

Yes, I actually met him twice the first time in 2016, the other time in 2018, in just a few months before he passed away. Okay, so we'll get into some of the discoveries that are in the book. But just from the personal aspects, what kind of relationship did you guys have? And what did you learn from him along the way? Well, he asked me to follow up with the publisher that gave him $2,000 to get him. a book published in China. I did, and the publisher decided not to have the book published in China for the fear of censorship there. He asked me to find a different publisher, and I found one successfully in China and a different one in Taiwan. It's just something that throughout the process,

he told me some of the things that he knew and learned from the ETs, but were instructed not writing the book. For example, the three chambers beneath the sphinx. that people will be able to uncover when we are ready, as well as the grace. For example, he told us that the grace really did put implants to some of the people on Earth just to observe us, but there's no harm from the implants because the other the humans have been watching the actions of the grace. So things like that. Wow. So as far as the Sphinx, the three chambers, because that's something like you said has been talked about for a while. Edgar Casey spoke about that and I know Chris Bloodsoe has

spoken about, you know, different discoveries in Egypt that might be coming about with the Sphinx, possibly next year. So what did you learn about? Did he tell you anything specifically about the three chambers that you found interesting or, you know, that you believed? I think he just told everyone, actually, he told me as well that when we are ready, we will be able to open up the three chambers. And once they're opened, then everything will be known. But we are not ready yet because even if we use explosives, the three chambers are not to be opened that way.

So we have to be able to realize that there is a unique way of opening up the three chambers. Who do you think was involved with the three chambers? Obviously the Egyptians, but there has to be something higher there, right? Like, who were they in contact with and, you know, as far as to make these chambers and why? Ancient civilizations such as Atlantis or Lemuria. It turned out that the Great Pyramids was actually built by people from Alentis. They had the knowledge to use anti-gravitational technologies and supersonic vibratory systems to cut the huge stones in a precise manner so that a pyramid was used such as energy center

to capture cosmic terrestrial energies. The pharaohs used a pyramid as a tool to communicate with people on different planets and also to make rain. So in Egyptian culture, I mean, people think that Thoth was a god-like figure, but actually that was a person, a worldwide and learned person originally from Atlantis. And he built a pyramid back 17,000 years ago. I think it's the same group of people who built the sphinx as well. Now Thoth, he had the Emerald tablets, right? Am I getting that right? If I remember correctly.

So how does that all connect when it comes? Because ancient Egypt has always been fascinating to me, as I'm sure, to many who listen here on UAP. So how do the Emerald tablets and the Sphinx and the pyramids? How does all that come together with Atlantis? I think Atlantis was a continent or had a civilization that disappeared almost overnight. A lot of the knowledge actually was passed on to. I mean, was written in the books kept in the library Alexandria in Egypt, but after the burning of the library, people lost the knowledge. But a small group of people was able to find the knowledge, and actually that the group of people turned out to be some of the members of the secret societies in Germany.

And actually, I was able to translate a book written by the highest degree chair of a secret society. that was founded in Germany that incorporated the text of the ancient Ameri tablets into their psychic learnings or psychic developments. And they were actually able to perform a lot of what we now consider to be magic, such as seeing the past and predicting the probabilities of the future, such as reading all the rest of people,

as well as doing a lot of mind control. Unfortunately, they used it in a way that actually was not very beneficial to the rest of the world. They created a lot of conflicts, caused a lot of divisions. But I do think that the ancient civilizations kept a lot of knowledge and didn't really teach other people, such as people in China or India, back a few thousand or tens of thousands of years ago. So let me ask you, Samuel, what made this? Because you weren't, you know, as far as into the UFO discussion, that's not something that you were trying to get into, right? I mean, you're a professional, you're an attorney, right?

I have all that correct? Yes. So what brought you into this? Was it just a natural curiosity that kind of got you into the topic and led you to this book? I think it's more like natural curiosity because I was a very curious person since I was born. I wanted to learn more about the world, and I wanted to learn from advanced beings or people who had far more knowledge than people on Earth. So in my subconscious mind, I always wanted to learn from the advanced ETs.

So I was paying much attention to the books written by E.T. Contactees, believing that we can just take the shortcut and learn from the ETs. I read so many books before I read this book Theobar Prophecy. but the other books were a little disappointing to me because it really didn't contain a lot of the specific verifiable information or facts contained in this book. So this book has been my kind of guide to uncovering the mysteries of life and the world.

So on that note, why? Now I do want to get into more of the contents of the book here that we've, I know we've spoken a little bit out of the sprinkle of it, but what made it so believable for you, Samuel, where people listening right now who might say, well, why should I believe any of this? It's fun. It's fun to think about. It's fun to theorize about. But you talk about it in such a way. Like, this is, this is fact. This is gospel.

So why should people take what we're talking about here today and really seriously consider this as truth? What did you find that makes it so believable for you? So he wrote a book back in 1989 and got it published in 1983 years before the internet went to Australia. And he was a farmer. He didn't know how to type on computers. And he didn't have a lot of education. But a lot of facts in the book can be proven by the descriptions or details written there. For example, it talks about the tomb of Jesus in Shingo Village, Japan, that people can still visit. And I did some research. The descriptions that people find nowadays are really kind of exactly the same as the descriptions in the book. For example, it talks about there's another tomb next

the tomb of Jesus in Japan, which is a tomb of his brother, and the book talked about it, and he never traveled to Japan. And also in the book, it talks about how the ETs disinfected him after he went on their spacecraft using yellow light and blue light. However, medical school had a research paper on the antibacterial, antiviral effects of certain wavelengths of blue light, and also other scientists published peer-reviewed papers on the antibacterial effect of yellow light. And there are other facts such as the Project Westford in which in the 1960s, the U.S. government sent hundreds of millions of needles, copper needles, into space.

And actually, they were not very successful on that. And the ETs from the Bukh Thielba say that they intervened and collected the needles from space. And not many people know about such details. And I did some research. Yes, there's indeed a project like that called Project. Westford. And yes, indeed, two of the lunches failed. The book also tells about the stories in the Bible. Like, if you really think about it, who really parted the sea for Moses during Exodus? Who really destroyed the two cities, Southern Gomorrah? And according to a lot of the religious

people or the Catholic religion, God, the creator, doesn't have a faith. It's a pure spirit. And who are the angels of the Lord or God that came to visit us during the entire process of Exodus and also other events that happened or documented in the Bible? Who was really Jesus, who really resurrected after being crucified on the cross. So a lot of the things can add up from reading the details of the book. And also the book explains in a logical fashion that makes a logical fashion that make a lot of the book. everything reasonable about the missing people or ships or planes in the Bermuda Triangle, as well as the people who just can vanish in the national parks. And also the warnings to the people on Earth are really important as well. It says that there are four dangers on

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I want to go back to something you said though that might shock people it might kind of raise an eyebrow for people because it challenges obviously years of traditional teachings in Christianity which is the tomb of Jesus you mention it being in Japan written in in this book the Theuba prophecy that's you know the author says he got this information from ETs again challenge of course mainstream beliefs of it being in of course you know calvary in that area of the Middle East of Jerusalem so why how can people take this information about the tomb being in Japan away from Jerusalem and really think about okay maybe it is over there what what kind of

study can be shown to people that would say that's something to consider? Well, a lot of people say that Jesus went to India. Yes, he did went to India. He did go to India and died in Japan. But there's a different entity, a different person called Christ, who preached about spirituality and love, who was crucified, and then died on the cross, and then resurrected three days after. So there are actually two different entities during that time. The Jesus born out of Virgin Mary was actually born out of the embryo. implanted by the Theobans into the uterus of Virgin Mary. The young Jesus, even though he was highly spiritual,

he could not perform miracles. So this is why when you read the Bible, there's no record of Jesus performing any miracles before he began preaching. That's the Jesus who went to India, traveled through China and died in Japan, in the tomb of Jesus in Japan. But Christ was someone from theobo or Jehovah

who, they had to send one of their own to earth, two kind of body made by them that appear to be like the Jesus that went to Japan. So during the three-year period in which Christ began preaching, there were actually two entities that appeared to be like Jesus. And that Christ, in which I make the distinction, the Christ, who could perform miracles, did so just to really show people that he was somewhat special. Because, you know, people in the old times, as well as people nowadays, they're highly skeptical. Unless someone who could perform miracles, his teachings wouldn't have been believed.

So this is the reason why they had to send one of their own in order to preach about spirituality and love and compassion. And He, Christ, resurrected just to show people that there's life after death and there's reincarnation. And speaking of reincarnation, the concept was later removed by the people in church, the Catholic Church Council meetings. And the book actually talks at length about the meaning of life and the different cycles of reincarnation, indicating that the different reincarnations are just like different positions on will. What goes up has to calm down. We have to experience and learn the different spiritual lessons in each lifetime in order to advance our spiritual, awareness or spiritual lessons.

Intriguing to say the least, obviously. I mean, explosive claims for, you know, for people to consider for sure. And when we talk about the Theuba prophecy, the name of the book, are we actually talking about a prophecy? Or we just talking about information that was given to the author of the book? He says that, you know, once he was abducted, this is all the information that he was given. Well, it's a book in a sense. is a book of prophecy, but mostly is a book of warnings.

In the sense, it's a prophecy because a book was written back in 1989, got it published in 1993, and a lot of the information contained in the book were proven after the date of publication of the book. For example, the antibacterial effect of elodine blue light, and the fact that there are ET stations or bases on the far side of the moon, life on Mars, that existed, a plant, back than 1.35 million years ago, there were people who were living on Mars. And also some of the things that people later prove to be kind of corroborating evidence. For example, the subterranean structures in the Great Pyramid of Egypt,

and also the possibility of the chambers beneath the sphinx. So the book contains a lot of facts that can be proven or were proven after the publication of the book. It's really interesting. And so when we talk about the word theuba, I think it might be a word people aren't familiar with. Where does that come from? Why the Theuba prophecy?

Well, Theuba also pronounced as the Ova in French, is the name of the planet. And it sounds like Jehovah, if you really think about it. And there's a strong connection over there. So, okay, so that's the planet. that the author says he was actually taken to this planet called Theuba, inside the Milky Way or outside? Inside the our Milky Way, yes.

So when it comes to his experience, what did he describe in the book that really kind of caught your interest about his abduction and what he was seeing, what he experienced during his abduction? Well, he was taken by the ETS in 1987. He didn't know why, but he woke up suddenly in the middle of the night. He wrote a note indicating that he will be gone for 10 days, and there's no need to worry about him. And then he walked outside of his house, and he was lifted up to the middle of the air, where

he saw a very beautiful tall, like 9 or 10 foot tall, blonde Nord-Lukin-I-Ki wearing spacesuit. And he was told that they were going to have a journey together, and he will be back safely and in a very healthy way, they stopped what we would call a parallel universe, because the E.T used the parallel universe as a portal or warp to come into Earth and get out of Earth. So this is why you see a lot of people who observe the sky and the space, see that the UFOs, the UAPs frequently come in and out of a specific location in the sky. So they use the portals to come into Earth.

And then in the parallel universe, time stops. And then they departed. They got up the parallel universe and then went to deep space and then used teleportation to transport themselves into another location in deep space. And then continued their journey at the speed a few times faster than speed of light to their destination, the planet Theoba. And while approaching the planet Theoba, Michelle saw a golden mist surrounding the planet. So he also calls the planet Theoba the golden planet. On the planet, he saw a lot of bright lies and colors.

Actually, he had to wear a facial mask like sunglasses to filter out the strong lights and colors. And the gravity on the planet is lighter than that's on Earth. So he had to be careful when moving around. The people there are really loving and compassionate people. They communicated to him mostly through telepathy, because according to him, telepathy can cross all language barriers, all the different languages. And they can perform all the miracles that's performed by Christ, such as levitation, such as materializing objects, such as healing all the diseases or wounds that one might have.

They say to Michelle the author that the purpose of them taking him as to write a book, to send warnings to people on Earth because we are at a very critical moment of time. We have to change the ways of how we live. Otherwise, we are going to be heading a catastrophe. We have to develop our spirituality alongside this technology. If we just focus on technologies, then we are going to destroy ourselves in the future. And it's fascinating that it also explains a lot of things that we wonder about. For example, why the Hebrews were the chosen people, why Jewish people excel at everything

they do here. They only account for less than 0.3% of world population, yet they're like 22% of Nobel prize winners who are Jewish. So this book explains why everything that is the fact on earth nowadays, you know, very reasonable and believable manner. I suggest everyone who is interested in the subject matter to read into it. So when we talk about the planet too, was this a planet, according to Michelle, the author, was this a planet that was inhabited by Nordics specifically, or were there other beings? They're solely inhabited by the Nordic-Lukin-ETs, but the Nordic-Luking Ais are not

Nordic ETs that people frequently talk about. The ETs here on Theoba, they're actually hermaphrodite, meaning that they have both male and female sexual organs. So they appear to be like very beautiful and sexy women, but they're actually hermaphrodites. And according to them, there are different kinds of ETs. And this is why I think that we need to be paying much attention to this book, because people here on Earth, or recently they have been focusing more on the witness testimonies of the people who claim to have been involved in the crashed UFO

or UAP retrievals. The EETs whose spacecraft crash on Earth are not very advanced because their spacecraft crashed. The EETs on Theuba, their spacecraft will never crash on Earth and did not crash on Earth. And according to them, there are different kinds of civilizations or categories of planets in the universe. The planet Theuba is a category 9 planet, and the people on Earth are actually living on category one planet. The lowest category, just like elementary school students, learning the basics. Similar to the grades, the grades also live on category one planet.

And I think the crashed UFOs are the vehicles from the grades. So we shouldn't be learning from our peers. We should learn from the masters, the students. And this book is actually very similar. to the book of Inoch because Enoch was taken by God or gods. And after the book was written, 40 to 80 years later, his great grandson, Noah, was told to build an art. And Michelle Demerque was taken by the ETs back in 1987. And you can imagine what the parallels are going to be like.

We speak about chosen people, right? We were talking about it earlier. It sounds like Michelle was chosen. but did you ever get an indication? Why? Why him as far as just, and I don't mean that in a negative way. I mean it in a way of, like you said earlier, this is a normal person living in Australia. He's a landscaper.

Just, you know, essentially like you, like you're just, the average Joe, right? Just going about your life, doing your thing. But then he's taken on this journey for 10 days and given all this information that no one else has really received. for and is told to write it down for people to hear. So why him to do that? There are a few reasons. One reason was that he was a person who took actions immediately. He was a man of action. The second reason was that he didn't have any preconceived notions or presuppositions. He was just like a blank piece of paper to write down. If they took a politician or euphologist, and when they write a book after coming back,

they would add a lot of their own opinions, and the ETs didn't want that. And also, the most important reason is that Michelle had 80 past lives already before he went on the trip. Only people like him could survive for nine days on the planet Ziova. This is the main reason that they chose him because he was one of the few people who had that many past lives on Earth. How many past lives?

80 past lives. 80 past lives. 80. So it's funny you say that because I was going to ask as far as the talk of reincarnation, is it that, and that was actually one of the questions I had was, was he chosen because of some of the past lives that he said that he had? Was it something that he did specifically in a past life that was interesting to the Theubans or was it just the fact that he had so many past lives that they wanted him to be the one? the latter, the fact that he already had so many past lives. Only people like him, according to the ETs, can survive for 90 days on the planet. People like me or others may only survive for three or four days.

They want to maximize the time that he can stay on the planet to learn as much as possible and to write a book as detailed as possible. And the book is a very dense book. It's a lot of tremendous amount of information. And also, I just think that there are other people who, were taken by then, such as Enoch, and came back and wrote, I don't know if he came back, but there's a book of Enoch. Right.

And the E.T. is actually intervened from time to time to the activities on Earth. For example, the most recent one would be doing World War II in which they prevented Germany from being the first country to develop the atomic bomb. And I did some research. They turned out that Dr. Heisenberg, was a scientist in Germany. He was far more advanced than the American scientist in developing the atomic bomb. Yeah, he had a head start on Oppenheimer, right, by about six months to a year?

Yes, yes. But for some strange reason, very strange reason, he made a stupid mistake, miscalculation. And the report was read by Hitler and believing that Germany didn't have enough raw materials make the bomb. So Hitler gave up a plan and the Americans got ahead and deployed the bomb and then World War II than if there had been otherwise. That's cautious. So that's the, well, the interventions by the ETs talked about in the book. That's interesting.

So according to what Michelle wrote in the book, that the ETs thought it would be a better outcome for Earth to have Americans essentially win the war than have the Germans, in the war. Why? Now, from a human perspective, I think a lot of people agree with that, obviously, considering what Germany was doing at that time, it goes without saying. But why the theubans, why, or whichever ETs intervened according to the book, why did they feel it necessary to do that and have that outcome? Because they felt that the Americans at that time were more sincere in protecting individual liberties. So they chose, I mean, deploying the bombs in Japan is a bad thing.

I mean, a lot of people died, but they chose the lesser of the devil. So this is the reason giving the book, I find very interesting. Ending the war much earlier would save a lot of people's lives, but they have to kill a lot of Japanese. So they compare it. So everything is not strictly black and white. There are some gray areas too. Yeah, it's pretty wild. And speaking of gray, actually, you mentioned how they're a lesser advanced form of ET.

So if they're around our, like you said, planet one-ish in where we are, how can they have this technology that we're still trying to figure out? Why are they able to use some type of anti-gravated craft, presumably, to travel through space or travel through. you know, parallel universe or whatever it might be interdimensionally and we essentially, as far as we know, haven't been able to do that yet. Well, I mean, the book actually talks about the developments of civilizations

and there are civilizations that are more advanced technologically but not necessarily spiritually. And normally what happens is that when that happens, they're going to destroy themselves. But the Greece are a species that actually not going to survive for long because they're actually a dying species, according to the humans.

They put the implants on people on Earth about 150 or so by the year 1993 just to observe us and to see how we respond to, our increasingly decreased immune system because we have been losing our immune system since 1948 and the grays have similar problems or issues. They wanted to see how we cope with the situation so that they are observing and learning for us. So the grays are to a certain extent more advanced than us but not too much. So this is the information given by the few events. When we talk about the grays and the information given here in the book, there's been a lot that's said about the grays. Some people say they are evil.

Some people say that they don't mean any harm. Some people say that they're short. Some people say that they're tall. There's two different species of short and tall grays. What does it say in the Theuban prophecy that might shed some light on all that talk? The book Theobah Prophecy does not really talk about the grace, but Michelle, after he came back, received telepathic messages, allowing him to reveal the information not written in the book publicly. He actually gave a lecture in Atlanta back in the 90s after he came back and revealed the information. And also, according to what he experienced, he saw at least 147 different species of ETs during his journey there.

I mean, they displayed the corpse of the ETs on different planets. And actually, he, I don't want to spill it up, but he actually saw the body of Christ on the planet Ziova. Well, then. All right. That's, wow, there you go. So when we, that's why I was expecting to hear that. I'm sorry. But I also elaborate a little more. Yeah. What he saw that the body of Christ had injuries on the chest or the ribs from the weep from the weeping mark, one of the weepings that he had. And also he saw injury marks or the leftover from the nails on this, on the wrist, not on the palm. Right. So if you learn about human autonomy, like, if you put the nails on the palms, then the body weight would be too heavy and it wouldn't really support the whole body weight. And if you put the nails on the wrists in which Michelle Demerque saw the, and, and.

and it would be able to support the whole body weight. So this is a very interesting detail in the book. Yeah, no, and it is said that, you know, the Romans would crucify through the wrist, not through the hand as depicted in some, you know, art of seeing the Niels go through the hands of Jesus. Now, with all that, I did want to ask a little bit more about the graze because I know that's a subject that a lot of people are really interested in. Hey, guys, so before we get back into the conversation,

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is not something that we would need to concern about because there's no danger. And the humans are watching the activities of Grace as well, just to make sure that they don't cause any harm to the people on Earth. So there seem to be a universal law, according to this book, of non-interference unless they're obligated to elevate our spiritual development. And they would prevent people who have, or species that have malintentions to come in contact with people on Earth. So they would prevent ET species who want to invade us.

And it goes otherwise as well. They don't want us to really, unless we are ready spiritually, to explore outside of our universe or solar galaxy. And I think this is probably one of the reasons we haven't been back to the moon in the last 50 years or so because we're not from the moon. We are not ready yet. When it comes to, there's something that is debated a lot when it comes to this discussion, specifically with the graze and spirituality.

Bob Lazare had said something back in, gosh, I don't even know, with the late 80s, early 90s, around the time we're talking. talking about actually when this book was written and he spoke about how he was told about how the grays look at us as containers containers for souls how much is the human soul uh waited in this discussion when it comes to etes well the human souls we do have souls we have our astro bodies uh one has to go through the processes of um um learning the different spiritual lessons in order to advance to the next level, the next category. So we have to really learn and learn again the different lessons.

And we do have to take account into the different reincarnations. And once we are ready, once the individual is ready to move up the ladder, then that person will be reincarnated into a different thing. category of planet, for example, category two or category three. So this goes on. Earth is just like a basic learning environment, like elementary school learning the basics. And the students are just like college professors, our mentors guiding us throughout history. So I think Earth is an environment for us to learn the basics. Are these angels in a sense, Samuel, just just just your opinion from what you've learned, from what you've read in this book and your studies that

you've done, are these, could some of these beings be considered? I know it's a topic that's been brought up a lot. Could some of these higher beings, like the Theubans, be considered angels, just not in the traditional sense because of their higher being, because, like you say, category nine planet that makes me think about the different levels of angels that have been talked about in scripture in heaven going from the seraphim and cherubim down to, they say, guardian angels would be a lower level according to the scriptures. Is that the kind of analogy that can be used here, do you think? Yes, it could be. And they are actually documented in the ancient scriptures, not only the biblical scriptures, but also they were, because they were also in contact with people in the ancient past,

in other parts of the world. For example, India, for example, Lemuria, a continent that existed in the Pacific Ocean. And they were actually documented in the ancient scriptures of other cultures of other cultures too. Why do you think we're so far behind, Samuel? I mean, just again, your opinion, your theory based on all this that we're talking about today, why do you think we're so far behind? And are we the only ones who think we're alone? Because it sounds like you talk about the other, you know,

137 species that Michelle says that he saw the information on. Are we like the only ones who think that we're the only game in town, so to speak? I think it's due to the media and also the four dangers on earth. I mean, if you think about it, the media tend to profit themselves out of something that can benefit the shareholders of the media companies. So they don't necessarily want to review. or it's not for their best interest to review a lot of the truthful information to the public. And so are the other industries such as the pharmaceutical industries and the energy industries. And I think it has a lot of to do with the modern society, the structure or the system of it.

So are the politicians and the journalists that want to create sensational news and to make money for the media companies. I think this is why commercialism or materialism is so dangerous to the people on earth. If it focus too much on the accumulation of wealth instead of accumulation of spiritual knowledge and experiences, we are going to keep ourselves into a container. I mean, I don't necessarily argue that. I mean, when it comes to, you know, kind of being distracted with worldly things and it takes us away from other forms of, you know, knowledge that we could be taking in or studies. I mean, I definitely see where you're coming from there. There's just incredible stuff here, Samuel, really, you know, things that I think, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just speaking for myself, but I think these are things that a lot of people haven't heard before, just some of the specifics, you know what I mean, that are you talking about here in the book as far as the Theubins themselves.

and all the different forms of warnings and information. It's new to me, and I'll admit that. So was it, when you came across the information, was it something that really took you back? Like, how did you take all this in? And how have you developed and evolved with it over the years? You know, to be really honest, when I was reading the book for the first time,

halfway through the book, I thought it's a science fiction. I didn't believe a lot of the things reading the book. until I read the chapter who was Christ. And then everything made sense because when I was reading the Bible, I had a lot of questions, like why Christ didn't perform miracles in the very beginning and things like that.

And also the concept of reincarnation is really not talked about the better questions. But I believe that a lot of people, including doctors, studied on it. For example, Dr. Ian Stevenson, Dr. Brian Weiss, Dr. Michael Newton, Dr. Raymond Moody. So I just think that reincarnation is true and happens to the people, and there is definitely causing, in fact, karma as well.

But the most important thing that I got out of it is actually the creation of everything. The book explains how everything was created. There is God, what we would call God, a pure spirit. that created the stars, the planets, animals, plants, and people on Earth, and the ETs on different planets. And when it created everything, when it created human beings, it inserted a tiny portion of itself to each of our astral bodies. So we are in constant connection to the creator directly through our higher selves. So there's no need for organized religions or intermediary agencies to stand. between we, the people, and the creator.

So we can pray or meditate to really seek for answers. So I think one of the most important sentences in the Bible is the kingdom of God is within you. So when you have challenges in life, you should look inside for answers and not rely on specific politician or the media or organized religion. because we actually, and this is why in the Old Testament, it actually tells us not to worship idols. Because we are the creations of the creator. We really shouldn't really worship other gods or idols.

Yeah, it's very interesting to consider that for sure. For Michelle, did he get abducted a second time, or was this a one 10-day deal that he spoke about in the book, Was this a recurring thing afterwards? This is just one-time abduction or imitation. After he came back, he really wanted to go back. And he didn't want to come back because the planet Theobah is just like a paradise.

Everything is so perfect, so beautiful. And remember, they don't die at all on the planet Theoba. They can regenerate their body cells and tissues. And they're forever young looking, always in their 30s. And they're always very happy. So Michelle, after staying there for a few days, he really didn't want to come back. But after he came back, he was extremely sad and depressed because everything on Earth is just so different, in a negative sense, from the other. Do you think, and I don't know if this was in the book or if you spoke about it with Michelle, maybe on a personal level, but we talk about the beginning of the Bible, right?

with the story of Adam and Eve, the creation story in Genesis. And of course, we all know the story. We all are new. Adam eats the apple. We get original sin and everything goes down the hill from there. When we talk about some of these other beings, and specifically where we talk about the theubans and the planets of Thubah, is that the original intention?

Are we looking at the original, you know, Garden of Eden, if you will? And that's, you know, a planet like Thuban is kind of like, like what Earth was supposed to be, but they didn't eat the apple? Does that make sense? Not really. Because Cuba, even though it's a category nine planet, they're not the creators of everything. They can join and rejoin the great ether, the great spirit, but they are not the creators. Even though they can create an adult human being in 24 hours, they didn't create Earth.

There is a pure spirit, the great ether that created everything in the universe through the Big Bang. process. What I find these, some of the stories in the Bible, interesting is that the Bible has a lot of parables, because when you try to explain something to people in the past, it's just very similar to what we would explain to a caveman, the dangers of the atomic bomb. We would use illusions or illustrations or parables. I think the story of that is that, that when you tell someone not to eat an apple, it's a parable for the concept of free will. It's a free will that gets people into the deviation of what's supposed to be the best way to grow spiritually, what the Christian would call sin.

I think the concept of free will is very important in the ancient scriptures, and sometimes they use the parables to illustrate it. Yeah, I guess what I was maybe trying to get at is, you know, different planets, would they all have, and this is completely theoretical, so obviously maybe we don't have an answer to this, but would they have their own creation stories? And this is just something that I've thought about before in my own time, because, again, I find this subject very fascinating.

So would they have their own creation stories to where one planet succeeded, say Theuba and one planet didn't say Earth? Well, since the creation, they created different categories of planets. And actually the story, I mean the process of the creation is specifically detailed in the book. And also, I was very curious about when I was young how the chicken came about from an egg. And what about the egg? Right. Who came first?

The chicken or egg? And the answer given in the book is the cosmic race. And what happened was that there are four major forces in the universe during the creation process. And in terms of the animals or human beings on Earth, it started actually with cosmic egg or cosmic rays that projected into certain locations. And then from the cosmic race, it split into the chakras. of human beings. And the chakras expanded and turned to oras, or some people would call the human energy fields. And then from the oras, it became like the physical bodies of human beings. So we don't necessarily just have this physical body. We also have the astral body or oras,

or the human energy fields that are influenced by the chakras. If you do research, if you are interested, you can read the books by Barbara Brennan, a former NASA scientist who had this gift to see the different colors of chakras and oras. And she describes what she sees to the people. And I think this can be studied further because I know traditional Chinese medicine, when you boil the herbs into water, the different vibrational frequencies of the different herbs will go into the water and the water will become the carrier for the vibrational frequencies. When you drink the water, the herbal tea, it actually improves the different human energy fuels of the disease, of the people who are sick.

So from that, you improve the health of the person. So the human energy fuels are real, and there are people like Barbara Brennan and Judith Collins in Sydney, Australia, who can really see the chakras and oras. So I think if you really want to improve your health, you should focus on your mindset, which influences the chakras, which influence the auras, which influence the aura, which influence the physical body. And it has a lot to do with the creation of human beings. really interesting I know your time is limited here today Samuel and I appreciate all the time I've really enjoyed discussing this

considering all of this it's really been fascinating but before we go I want to ask you just on a I guess a societal geopolitical level when it comes to this book being published in China and Taiwan how is it taken there how is this the book yes

but also the overall discussion of ETs because we don't really hear, now we know there are sightings in China. We've seen things like that, but we don't hear a lot out of Chinese culture and Taiwanese culture when it comes to the UAP phenomenon. So how is this taken there and what kind of discussions do you know of that that are happening there about this topic? Well, there have been a lot of recent sightings in China, mostly in the coastal areas,

and also in Taiwan occasionally. the Chinese government was really strict in the past, and then it opened up in the early 90s and late 80s to a lot of discussions. And during that time, there were incidents of ET ablactions to the Chinese people. And actually the official media reported on the objections of the Chinese, such as Mr. Meng, MEN, G. But then in the 2000s, And recently, the government began to really censor a lot of the discussions on this area, the topics.

But there are a lot of sightings by the private citizens of China. The book, The Oba Prophecy, was published as a science fiction in China, but as a non-fiction in Taiwan. People, after reading the book, some of them believe everything is true. There are some people who think the book has very good messages. A small percentage of the people believe is pure science fiction. However, the people in Taiwan took it a little bit differently. And with the news from the U.S. congressional testimonies, people began to focus more on this area. But in the ancient past, there were folklore stories in the Chinese culture of contacts with different entities.

And to a lot of Chinese people, this concept of having E.T.'s visiting Earth is not a new concept. Wow. So, and now this book is not published in America. Am I right on that? It's actually self-published in the U.S. right now. Yeah, it's starting to get more attention. Okay. Well, this is, again, super fascinating discussion, Samuel. I'm glad that we got to talk about this. I'm glad I got to have you on the show here today to discuss. at all. How can people find out more about you, about the book, and if they want to maybe, you know, even try to reach out to you with questions about this topic, how do people go by doing all that? Yeah, they can find me on Facebook and just search my name on the search

engines, Samuel Chong, C-H-O-N-G. And the book is on Amazon and also on Audible, Theobo Prophecy. If you want to learn more about the pyramid, how they build it, the perimeter triangle, and the mysteries of the paranormal, and also other things that we discussed here, and check out the book. Yeah, there's still so much we could have dug into here today, but it's a very deep discussion, very deep topic, obviously. Well, Samuel Chong, thank you so much for coming on here today. I'm glad we got to do this, and maybe we can bring you back on again to hit up some of the

things that we didn't get enough time to cover you here today. I really appreciate it. Great. Thank you. Thanks. Picture the two of you sitting side by side, a Mai Tai in your hands, and the sounds of Hawaii around you. You almost forget you're on a plane. And that's the point, because when you fly with Hawaiian Airlines, it's hard to tell where your flight ends and vacation begins. Hawaii starts here. Well, thank you again to Samuel for that. I think there was still a lot of meat left

on the bone there because like I said it to start off, it was just my natural curiosity to go over throughout the conversation. And obviously we ended up pinning on some topics that I was not expecting. I left in there just that was a raw conversation. I didn't take anything out at all. And those were just all my reactions. And you can see I was trying to kind of find my words a couple of times. But that was just the raw conversation there. And I hope you took something away from it. I hope you enjoyed it. Again, if nothing else, maybe just something to consider, something that you find interesting that where you can walk away from it and say, wow, I never, thought about some of those things before. So again, take it for what it's worth. Maybe you don't

believe some of those things, especially on the dogma side of different things. But that's, you know, that's completely up to you. But either way, I really do appreciate Samuel's time. Really fascinating conversation for me to have there. And I'm glad I was able to bring it to you here today on UAP. Outside of that, I would like to have him on again to cover some of those things we said we didn't get to cover there at the end like with the Bermuda triangle maybe go into ancient Egypt a little bit more and things like that but outside of that there was something that came out yesterday that I'm very excited for in case you didn't see the trailer for the movie Age of Disclosure came out this is making big waves I even saw people completely outside of the UFO

topic get excited about this on social media someone like Pat McAfee who is a sports commentator if you're not familiar with him. He's a sports commentator. And, I mean, that's his thing. He does sports. And he was excited about this. And he has a massive following, by the way. His show had a billion views with a B, a billion views on YouTube for the month of September.

So to see someone like that who has actually a very big name in, you know, social media and mass media, actually, was pretty cool. Again, someone outside of the topic. It's different if it's Joe Rogan. He's in this. He has, you know, obviously the massive follow. but to see someone like a Pat McAfee, even if you're not familiar with him, again, a massive name in social media and multimedia, really, get excited about this and retweeting the trailer for Age of Disclosure, that's awesome.

And that's what this is all about, even if it's going to, and I'm going to get preachy here, but even if it's going to give us information that we may know or give us information from people that maybe we're skeptical of who are actually giving the information in the documentary, maybe we're not fans of a certain person in there. the fact of the matter is it's getting people talking about it. Someone like Pat McAfee can put that trailer out to people in his sports audience who may never have even heard of most of this stuff before. So that's what a movie, a documentary like The Age of Disclosure is all about for me. Yes, hopefully we get further along in the actual disclosure discussion.

And hopefully this movie does kind of push the ball forward. But I'm excited to see it gain attention from the mainstream media. And I think it's just the beginning because the, according to the trailer, the movie comes out on Amazon Prime on November 21st right before Thanksgiving. And it is going to have a limited theatrical release in some big cities like L.A. and D.C. and New York. So really cool to see. Happy for guys like Jeff Nusatelli, who's a friend of the show here. And of course, just was at the congressional hearing as a witness. And I know that, you know, he was a part of that documentary. I saw Lou Elizondo in there and he's been on the show here before.

So really cool to see that this is finally going to come out. And we can all, just like this episode here of UAP and any episode of UAP, take it for what it's worth and make up our own minds on what we're going to see in here during the documentary once it comes out on Amazon Prime on November 21st. Or if you get one of the lucky ones who see it in theaters. But that is going to be something that I think amplifies the discussion inside mainstream circles. and that to me in itself is a win. So we'll see how this all pans out, but I was very excited to see the trailer for Age of Disclosure come out and to finally have a release date.

So congratulations to Dan Farah and everybody involved with that on getting this out there. I know it was a really big struggle to get this out there. So awesome, congrats, very happy to see it. Outside of that, what is coming up on UAP? Again, very excited for what's going to happen here now is a conversation with our good friend Jason Sands. Jason hasn't really been on many shows or interviews lately, probably really since the last time I interviewed him, which was maybe about six months ago, around the time he was going around with James Fox when it comes to James Fox's documentary.

He was on with a bunch of different shows like Joe Rogan and a few others. So I'm looking forward to having on our good friend Jason Sands back in the limelight, back on the state. here on this new episode of UAP coming up next week. And there's a lot that he has, that he hasn't really spoken about over the past six months and things that have developed in his life personally, professionally, and of course within the UFO topic that I'm really looking forward to getting with him on and presenting that to you next week. So Jason Sands coming back here on TWA for an exclusive interview.

Really appreciate him making time to do that next week. So with all that said here today, Thanks again for listening for taking part in this conversation, for considering everything that was said there today. Really, really fascinating stuff. Like I said, to start, that was unlike any conversation I think we've ever had here on UAP. So I'm glad that you can take part in it with me here today. Of course, don't forget to continue to download and subscribe to this show wherever you get your podcast. Just search out at UAP on all the major platforms as well as.

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