UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 167 Eric Burlison part 1 - 50 Whistleblowers and New Information

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Stephen Diener sits down with Congressman Eric Burlison for an exclusive interview as they discuss what has stuck with Eric since the UAP hearing in September, his plan to pass the "Disclosure Act" in Congress, and the shocking number of whistleblowers and witnesses who he has interviewed behind the scenes that have first hand knowledge of legacy programs. All of this and much more in a jam packed part 1 of this conversation...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to present to you a brand new interview with Congressman Eric Burleson. Of course, we've seen how instrumental and he's been in the UAP conversation, really within the past year or so. And now, especially since that previous hearing, back in mid-September. This is the first time I've been able to speak with Eric here on the show since that hearing. So I was happy to be able to schedule this with him and really have a nice long sit-down,

so much so that I thought I think this would be better served to break up into two parts because what I've noticed in my previous interviews with Eric is that there's so much that we cover in sometimes a relatively short amount of time that it's like, oh my gosh, it's overload. You have to like, let me go back and listen to that again, which is fine. by all means, if you want to go back and listen two or three or four times, that's completely up to you. But at the same token, I kind of wanted to split it up just for kind of ease of listening that way, kind of take some of these things in, some of these things that I had never heard before that Eric talks about. It's just kind of raw reaction here in this part one, his own reaction that we get for the first time from the hearing back in September.

What stood out to him? What kind of sticks with him now a couple of months later? So we talk about that. We talk about the importance of someone like Dylan Borland and how Grush was actually instrumental in getting Dylan onto the witness stand. So Eric opens up about that and the UAP Disclosure Act, the whistleblower protections. What are the future of those really important things when it comes to the UAP discussion within the government confines? What's the timeline of the UAP Disclosure Act?

When do they want to try to do this now that it's, he talks about, about being a standalone act that him and his team and Danny Sheehan are actually crafting. So we get into a lot of that and what that's going to look like when they're trying to put it out and what's kind of what are they trying to accomplish with it. We also talk about the age of disclosure and what he's looking forward to there with the release of that movie. Pretty interesting to hear about some of the things being spoken about in D.C. When it comes to the age of disclosure and Eric talks to us about that. Will we see any subpoenas?

I thought there was a pretty interesting answer there when I asked him about will James Homer, the head of the oversight committee, issue any subpoenas. And I actually was a little bit surprised by his answers. So that was just my take from it. And then what really shocked me here towards the end of part one is when I asked Eric about other witnesses. Because of course, we see these, you know, witnesses in front of the camera. They take the stand, the Jeff Nusatelli, the Chief Wiggins, you know, Dylan Borland, everybody like that. And even in the past hearings. And that's fantastic. In my eyes, these are a. all American heroes, not only for their service in the military, but for their willingness to

step out of the shadows and into the public spotlight, knowing that they're putting their own personal lives at great risk. And they still do that anyway. And I think that is at the highest of the high commendability for what these guys have done in the past and what they're doing now. And what was interesting to me is that I asked Eric about who else is out there. Who else have you been speaking to that people don't see in front of the camera. And I was really kind of taken aback and you'll hear that here towards the end of part one about the amount of people that they have spoken to behind the scenes, what these people have done, what the kind of programs they've worked on,

the information that they might have is really quite something. So all of that is in here kind of bunched into this first episode, this part one with myself and Eric Burleson and even a couple of more tidbits on top of that. So sit back, enjoy this. I think this was really constructive, and I think you're going to enjoy it for sure. Myself with Eric Burleson, part one here, and then stick around for some reaction

and a preview to part two. Right now, it's myself and Eric Burleson on UAP. Enjoy. Well, this is great. Happy to have him join the show here again today. Congressman Eric Burleson, thanks for coming back on to UAP. Happy to have you again.

Good to be back. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, the last time we spoke was in D.C. a couple of months ago. And now those two months have really flown by. And there's a lot I'd like to try to fit in here today in the time that we have to speak. But I want to start there and then move forward from there.

Now that we are about two months removed from that hearing, how do you look back on that now? Did it kind of do what you were hoping it would do? And what has stuck with you? What kind of sticks in your head from a couple months ago from something that you heard or saw? To me, what stuck out was the quality of the witnesses, and there was a lot of stress that we had. I think that there's these expectations that the UAP community has, and it really kind of, which is why it probably took longer than it that it should have to have a hearing.

But, I mean, at the end of the day, we didn't want to just have a hearing for a hearing sake. We wanted to have quality witnesses that were respected and had a story to tell. And for the most part, had a firsthand encounter experience. And so I feel like these guys hit it out in the park. Their reputations are amazing. And they all had a very different, unique perspective. Yeah, you know, we've heard different stories from Jeff Nusatelli or Chief Wiggins, of course, George Knapp, who was there as well. someone though who really I think caught people by surprise was Dylan Borland how much interaction did you have with him before that hearing and were you were you kind of surprised or even impressed with what you ended up hearing from him in his testimony I think you're right he was probably the most he was probably the witness that got people's attention more than anyone I had to fight to get him on the panel

I didn't know. I'd never talked spoken with him before. I didn't know a whole lot about him other than what I was had read about it. But everything that I read indicated that he has a very compelling story. And he's somebody that we we should be that we should bring forward. They because he had some gaps in his history. The time that was, you know, understandable because there were times that he was working on classified programs that he couldn't. talk about it gave the oversight committee some pause because they they were worried that

he may not be able to talk about much but wow was he what did he deliver i mean he there was a lot there and so um and you could tell in his in the way in which he spoke that he was being honest that he felt compassionate and compelled and and so i was i was impressed by dylan yeah and and and and to your point, they were all great, obviously. But I think it was just something that we had never heard before from a witness that we had never seen before, at least in the public eye. And I could just say from my point of view, I was kind of sitting right behind him and I saw him like physically shaking.

So you could tell how, you know, adrenaline was pumping. He was nervous, you know, to be in a setting like that and really kind of talk publicly for the first time. I think it definitely got in effect for people who had never heard him speak. Was that somebody that, David Grush, kind of like personally recommended. Did he help you push for Dylan Borland? Yes.

David thought that Dylan was a credible witness and he was at the top of his list. And so I was glad that we were able to get him up there. Now, a couple of things that came up during that hearing, Eric, were the UAP Disclosure Act and whistleblower protection. Of course, the Disclosure Act is something that you've been, you know, championing for a while. trying to get that push through along with a few others in the Senate and the House. Tim Burchett has spoken about, you know, the Whistleblower Protection Act as well as you and other members. How close are we to either one of those? I know there was some roadblocks that you spoke about a couple months ago.

And, of course, with the government shutdown currently going on as you and I speak, I mean, are those things being spoken about at all as something to try to get done in the coming months? So when that happened, honestly, it was the night before the hearing. that the amendment, the UAP Disclosure Act amendment, was ruled to be not in order, quote unquote, not in order, because for whatever reason the staff didn't think that it fit on the National Defense Authorization Act. Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me because that same language was placed on the Indian National Defense Authorization Act in the Senate last year. So why would it have been germane a year ago, but it's not germane today? It seemed to be kind of one of those items that that committee felt like it was not a priority, and because there wasn't enough momentum and push behind it,

they really were trying to limit how many amendments could be made in order, because the more amendments, the longer it's going to take to pass the bill. So their goal is to make as many of these amendments not in order as possible. And that's where we're kind of we've ended up on the cutting room floor, if you will. So I made it clear when that happened that I was not okay with that. I went to House leadership, expressed my frustration at that time. And was, and, you know, for the most part, was told, you know, what if, you know, what if leadership pushed to get a standalone vote or to bring the bill forward to get a standalone vote? Now, I think that they will do that if I can get out of committee.

And so the question is, can I get it through committee? So I'm working with Danny Sheehan to craft a standalone bill and one that we can, hopefully get a committee to take up and pass. And so I need everybody in the UAP community, once we get this thing filed, to really start making the route phone calls to the committee chairman, to anybody and everyone that's on the committee to kind of encourage them to take this bill up. Yeah, that would be huge, of course. So it is interesting to get that perspective, though, where you talk about, was it more just in the sense than of like a cutting room floor where some of these people behind the scenes were like, okay, what's priority?

We want to get this through. So we're going to take X, Y, and Z out. And UAP Disclosure Act was just one of those things they didn't see as priority. Or was there more to it? We have actors behind the scenes who don't want that on the floor because of what it is and what it would reveal potentially. Yeah. And I tend to, you know, you can see conspiracies everywhere.

The more that I reflect on it, the more that I think that it was more of the former rather than the latter. I think that it's not, this topic is not a priority for many of the members. And it's just something that, and because of that, I think that people in the UAP community have to reach out to their elected official and make it clear that they do think this is a priority. Hey, guys. So before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us. And it's scary, starting something new, right?

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much in the same way that the JFK Disclosure Act did, where they can submit items for disclosure and then unless the White House takes action to stop it, then it ends up being disclosed. I found that that has been, you know, while I originally was skeptical, I've realized, I've realized. today that it's the JFK Disclosure Act has been pretty successful. And I say that because there's a lot of files recently that have been released that the CIA did not want released for for you know valid reasons or at least to them valid reasons because a lot of these files really put the CIA in a very dark light. And so the fact that they're forced to release this information, I think, is proof or evidence that the JFK Disclosure Act and that

language within that act works. And so why try to reinvent the wheel? Let's just take what was working and apply it towards the UAP topic. I am curious on the timeline with that, too, because there was some, I don't know, maybe, I don't want to say criticism, but maybe just some griping from people on the outside on the original disclosure act. I guess there was some word that it was only, I say only, but only going to go back 25 years. Is there a push to where a future disclosure act, maybe on a standalone bill, would allow for things that come out, say, in the past 80 years, past 50 years? What's the timeline you guys are trying to work on?

Well, if you think about it, 25 years is quite a bit of history, right? So everything up to the year 2000, that's a lot of reported events and activity. So I don't think that it's something to just completely dismiss. I'm happy to, if we can pass something that has a shorter time frame, I'm happy to take a look at that. But, you know, in just following with what the JFK Disclosure Act is, that's where it stands. I know that D&HN and my staff are looking at any kind of necessary changes that might have been a point of friction or or have held some of the JFK files from being released, that we're looking at improving that for this as well,

which is why we have not dropped the bill at this time. Okay. Any timeline, I don't want to hold your feet to the fire, but any timeline of when you guys are looking to try to put the, is it before the end of the year or are you just kind of going with the flow? Yeah, my goal was to have it released before the movie that's coming out. Right. And so that's my goal.

Then I'm hoping that that movie causes a catalyst of people, very much in the same way that the JFK movie, the Oliver Stone movie caused Congress to take action. It's my hope that this movie might spur some activity. It's funny you say that. I didn't want to ask you about that. But first, I wanted to just bring up one more thing that happened a couple months back, was the video that you had put out of the health fire missile hitting the object, seemingly curving it over, bouncing off or whatever was happening there.

And you and I both know we've spoken to different people who have seen the entire video and have been told that the object keeps going. It didn't fall into the water. Like some people would say a balloon, well, the balloon didn't fall into the water if it was a balloon. It kept moving. So since then, what kind of reaction did you get from that? video maybe inside and outside the halls of Congress. And were you, were you happy once it was out and you kind of got to see people react to it? Were you happy and satisfied with putting it out there? I think so. And look, I think I, you know, prefaced whenever I released it in the committee

that I don't know exactly if this video is legit or, and I don't know what the object is. And so I was confronted with two options. Do I sit on this video and evaluate it, send it in it, which is to do what Washington, D.C. has done with every, all of this content. Or do I, you know, actually do what I'm, what I'm telling, what I'm asking for, which is to be transparent. And, and, and so that's why I was, that's why I chose to release it, knowing that it could be very, rosyic. It could be, it could have been generated by artificial intelligence. But rather than me sit on this, I'm going to let, let everybody else see it and decide for themselves. What did your fellow members of Congress think about it? Specifically, you know, those who were sitting with you on the panel,

like, like a Luna or Bichette or Amoskowitz, anybody like that. Did they come to you and say, wow, this is interesting or did they say, meh? No, I mean, it did, it got a lot, a lot of raised eyebrows from Congress. And as you can tell, the people and the witnesses as well were pretty shocked by the video itself. And I think it is a fascinating video. And I think for multiple reasons, obviously you have an unknown object that's being recorded, but the fact that you have the help fire missile seemingly miss it or bounce around it. And then for there's these three fragments that appear to be identical and that just that that that follow. along with it is somewhat interesting.

It could be easily explained. But at the end of the day, we also have not had the Pentagon or anyone come forward and say anything about the video. So they've not really acknowledged it. Interesting. You brought up the age of disclosure that's coming out in a few weeks. I know you mentioned, you hope that pushes the ball forward a little bit, but what do you excited about for that film to come out. You know, Marco Rubio was in there. I believe when it was

filmed, I believe he was still Senator Rubio now before becoming Secretary of State and so many others in there different cabinet members, different heads of agencies are in this. It looks like it's going to be pretty significant. What are your expectations and your hopes for that?

Yeah, I hope that it raises a lot of awareness. I'm looking forward to seeing the film myself. I know that Anna is working with the producer to do a release in Washington, D.C. I've got even, I just got a text today from some local friends that we're going to all go together to go see it in the theaters when it comes out.

And so that's exciting to me that there's people that are willing to buy a ticket and go to a movie to see this. So hopefully it momentum builds and it does gain. And I'm hoping that that really drives people to start. demanding more information from their elected members of Congress. Yeah, and I think it's, and now this is most likely a complete guess on your part, but just kind of feeling the temperature. Do you think this is something that reaches the president's eyes where he's going to be like, I kind of want to see this movie.

Like if more people are talking about it and people in Congress are watching it, people in the Senate are watching it, do you think this comes across his desk and he ends up wanting to see this as well? You know, I don't know. And I think that, yeah, I think if it becomes, a pop culture issue and something that, where he's constantly being reached out by people, I think his posture is disclosure to be fully transparent. The question is, is this a priority? Much like the other members of Congress, where it's not a priority. And look, he's got some pretty important issues that he's working on. He's trying to bring, you know, he's just completed

peace in the Middle East. He's got, he's got the war in Ukraine and Russia that he's trying to negotiate He's got all these trade deals that he's that he's negotiating. He's got a government shutdown that's happening. And so there's a lot going on. And I think, and so if you put yourself in his shoes, bringing up the UAP topic is not exactly on the front burner. So I think that it's going to take, it's going to take a massive amount of energy and eyeballs to, to like kind of pivot and move Congress and the president in the right direction. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world

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kind of just put it out there again to get your thoughts since since that date what is do you think the standings are for someone like representative Comer you know the the chairman of the oversight committee is there any type of movement that you could see where he would okay subpoenas for different people who were some people behind the scenes, you know, the heads of these different organizations or contractors where they would be coming in to answer questions under oath? You know, I think the chairman has made it clear that he would be willing to do that for Anna and for the arts committee if necessary.

I don't, I think that the goal is to make, to not get to that point. to not get to the point where we have to issue a subpoena and see if we can bring people in willingly and kind of interview them at that point. I'm curious, Eric, who have you, if you can say, but who have you kind of like spoken to behind the scenes? Obviously not everything is in front of the camera at a hearing. Who have you spoken to behind the scenes that some people would feel like

they might be shocked. They might be like, oh, wow, I never knew you were talking to that person about this subject. I'm off the top of my head. I really can't. I can't think of anybody that would publicly want me to say that I've been speaking with them behind the scenes. But I assume then. But I am.

Yeah, absolutely. And at this point in the investigation, we've had the public hearing. We've had for the by and large, for the most part, everybody who's wanted to come forward has come forward. Sadly, Matt Brown was someone that was not able to be a part of the, as one of the witnesses, but his testimony is out there. He's had multiple interviews, and I think that his information is, you know, interesting. And I think that Matt Brown is being completely forthright. I don't see any deception in him as a person. So I think there's, you've got Jake Barber, who's,

come out. So there's quite a few people that have, if they, you know, who had who had something to say that wanted to come up publicly, I think have done so by and large. I think now my time is spent trying to reach out to people who are not willing to come out that don't really want to be in the spotlight, that don't want to be on podcasts or or interviews, but may, you know, have a compelling desire and interest to be, you know, to kind of keep the republic and keep this notion that the government belongs to those, to the people, and that the government should be accountable to the people. Is that a big number, Eric? I mean, just when you talk about people behind the scenes who don't really want to be made public, but are willing to have conversations,

at least in private meetings, is that, I mean, do we put that over five people, 10, 15? I mean, what kind of number are we looking at? We're all these people, they don't want to be made. public but they have something to say there's a long list and for me i've gathered a list of people from all the conversations that i've had with others people that i need to get to to to at least reach out to to it's a long list so it's in the probably four dozen um range wow would they feel more comfortable if something like a whistleblower protection act got through and past yeah yeah absolutely Absolutely. In fact, I think that, you know, one of the strategies that we have that may compel a lot of people to come forward is that we're giving the board or this commission that we're creating the ability to have some form of amnesty, to be able to grant people amnesty. Because what I'm told is that there's a lot of people in the private sector, maybe mid-level managers or people that truly are working these programs, but they inherited.

these programs. And some of this stuff that's that's been going on is either financially criminal or other, you know, other crimes that are occurring. And they don't want to be on the hook for this. So if you create a window of time where we say, if you come forward and tell us what you know, then you, then you'll be in the clear. I think that that will, that will cause a lot of people to come forward. Very interesting. I mean, really, that's kind of a staggering number. I was a little shocked, actually, at the amount. We were talking about close to 50 people that are behind the scenes that would, you know, possibly come forward if there were better protections for them.

So these are all people that have been in the private sector as far as contractors, military. Is that kind of what we're looking at with that number? Yeah, exactly. it's a mix between private sector and people that are actually serving the military or have served. Are a good number of these, what would you say, maybe like split as far as people who have seen something and can't explain it versus people who have actually worked on programs, kind of like a Dylan Borland who worked on programs and have firsthand experiences? So most of the names on this list are people that we know worked on programs that were that, that were identified as either part of the legacy program or adjacent to it.

Let me ask this, because I try to put it in ways where you can answer without, you know, upsetting the Apple Card, of course. Are these stories or are these testimonies that go along the lines of David Grush, meaning is he the only person saying that there's biologics and there's craft that have been recovered, or are other people telling you that behind the scenes? I've had someone that has spoken about a craft that they encountered, you know, in person in a small, you know, confined environment. So that to me suggested that it was something that was captured. So I've heard that kind of testimony.

I've also had, you know, we've spoken with an individual who has a great deal of knowledge about things that are happening in the oceans. And that was a very interesting, you know, witness that came forward that does not want to come forward publicly. So they're, they're, and that's just off the top of my head. But we repeatedly, you know, we've had quite a few conversations outside of the, from people that don't want to be in the spotlight. You know what happens when doctors listen? Patients are treated like people. At Keck Medicine of USC, our specialists listen to the. person who knows you best, you. And in turn, you get our boundless expertise and dedication.

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At UA podcast on YouTube, by the way, as well. So, I mean, just on that last part alone, though, that stuck with me. We recorded this interview yesterday on November 3rd. And that is one of the parts, there's actually a few parts, but that is one of the parts that stuck with me since yesterday when I spoke to Eric and recorded this entire interview in one sitting was the fact that there are so many other, you know, for lack of a better term, Grush-like guys, you know, guys who are similar to David Grush who have these stories or like Dylan Borland or some of the other witnesses who have this information, who have this history, who have these experiences. whether it's in the legacy programs, whether it's as far as contractors or military members who have these similar stories. And we haven't heard those, you know, come out to the public. And I don't know if we will.

I hope we will. And, you know, Eric mentioned a couple of things there that would help push those things forward. One of them being the Whistleblower Protection Act. And hopefully that gains some steam at some point to allow these men and even women in the service or in these programs who may be part of these things that want to come out and talk about this stuff, but haven't been able to for fear of their own safety, fear of their own well-being, for themselves, for their family, and of their careers, right, the retirement, their pension might go away. We have seen what have happened to some of these guys, including David Grush.

You know, in some cases, their lives are ruined. They get blackballed. Jason Sands is another example. Jason Sands is someone who I know personally has had trouble finding work. I think he just now found work after coming out last year, a year and a half ago, about his own testimony and his own experiences in the legacy programs. So, you know, these things are real and these are real things that people go through. And like Dylan Borland, he spoke about it, you know, during his testimony that he has been blackballed. He cannot find work and he's running out of money.

So this is why you have 40 to 50 people who are not talking publicly, but are talking behind the scenes with Eric Burleson and his team and other congressional members, I'm sure, on the task force who are hearing these interviews. But that number really, to me, it really was staggering to hear about close to 50 people who are out there giving these testimonies behind the scenes. I mean, we're talking about, you know, grush-like stories. You heard Eric say it there. And it's not just grush saying it. It's not just these, you know, handful of guys on the stand saying it. There's many others who are having these experiences who know these things are happening behind the scenes. and we're only hearing just the tip of the iceberg.

I mean, there's a whole, I think it's actually Jeff Nusateli, who is sitting here on the show before where he says that the floodgates are going to open. Well, that's what's behind the floodgates. It's guys like that where you have almost 50 witnesses and whistleblowers who want to come out and speak, but don't feel comfortable enough to do it, but have these similar testimonies. It was really, for me, one of the most incredible moments of this entire interview. But that's not to say that there isn't more coming up in part two and that everything else there in part one was it really intriguing because there was some good stuff there that I really hope you enjoyed and town to be noteworthy. In part two, though, we are going to get into more about David Gresh actually. I wanted to ask him about the op-ed. You know, whatever happened to that op-ed that David Gresh wanted to write.

So I did bring that up. I did bring up 3-Ey Atlas as well, given that Annapolina Luna has been vocal about this. recently asking Sean Duffy for information. Sean Duffy, the acting head of NASA. And she wrote a letter and posted it on social media, asking for information on what NASA knows about 3-Ey Atlas. So I ask Eric about that specifically. We get into UFOs and nukes.

We get into underwater UFOs. And I ask him about what does he want to do in the future? Are we going to get more hearings? Does he want more hearings? What does he think is going to be the most useful next step now that we've had multiple hearings, what's going to happen next? What do they want to see happen next in the task force in Congress and for him personally? So really good stuff still coming up here in part two, this exclusive interview with Eric

Burleson, the first one since the hearing back in September. So really happy to have him on here so I can bring it all to you. But there were a lot of really great tidbits there in that part one. I was really intrigued to hear about just his own thoughts. You know, we hadn't heard that. How did he take all of that stuff that happened at the hearing? Especially with his own video that he put out. And pretty cool to hear that.

There is momentum in D.C. about the age of disclosure movie. You know, they want to get together and see it. You know, Annapolina Luna is trying to get that show in D.C. talking to the producers. So there was so much in here. I could keep going, but I don't want to continue to go too far here. So just glad that you got to listen to this. Glad that I was able to get Eric on the show here for us. And I hope you took away a few things.

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