UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 168 Eric Burlison part 2 - Accessing "The Goods" & The Future of DC Disclosure

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Join Stephen Diener as he concludes his exclusive conversation with Congressman Eric Burlison. What are some things that have shaken Eric during his time investigating the UFO phenomenon? And which big time power player is he trying to team up with in order to see "the goods" that currently remain closed off to him? All of this and so much more is discussed during this episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Happy to welcome me back here for another episode of the Unidentified Alien podcast. Stephen Dean are back with you, as always, for episode number 168. And this part two edition of my conversation with Congressman Eric Burleson. Really glad I was able to present this to you this week, and hopefully you were able to gain some new knowledge, perspective, ideas from part one there during our conversation. and I think part two will do even more of that. Here's what you can expect, because I do want kind of just get into this

so you can hear the rest. But it was really interesting, actually, at a couple of parts, and, well, I hope it was. But I asked Eric to start off, we kind of, we pick up right where we left off, and I ask Eric right away about what his past self would think about what his present-day self would tell him, such as, you know, 2025 Eric, talking to 2024, Eric,

and how he looks at things differently now, maybe even what has shaken him. So we start off right there, and that picks up where we left off to end part one as well. It goes into some different scenarios about threats that are out there. And he also interestingly mentions about looking for the evidence that he's still looking for, to be able to really come out and say, yeah, we have it, this is it. And I can say that I fully believe in this now. So it was a candid moment to hear that from Eric to kind of get that insight from him about what he's looking for specifically as evidence that he would perceive as the ultimate evidence. And what is that?

He wants to see, as he puts it, the goods. So we get into that and who he's actually trying to work with to make that happen. Pretty cool stuff there. And boy, if it came to pass, that would be, I mean, top headline stuff. if what he says here comes to pass and who he's trying to work with. So you'll hear that here coming up here in just a couple minutes.

And then I ask him, what about any more hearings? Is that your goal? Do you want more hearings? Would you find those useful or are you looking elsewhere now? So we get into a little bit of that. We talk about David Grush.

We talk about his thoughts on the Atlas object and on NASA. Is NASA trying to hide anything? You know, when Annapolina Luna put out that letter to then acting administrator, Sean Duffy about wanting to get the information. So just a little, I guess, preface on that, an asterisk, if you will. When we were talking, Jared Isaacman had yet to be named as the new head of NASA. When Eric and I did this interview just a few days ago, Sean Duffy was still the

acting head of NASA. Since then, in the past few days, that title has now officially be given to, or at least nominated towards Jared Isaacman. So we don't mention that because it hadn't happened yet. But just an update on that because I do ask him about Anna Polina Luna's letter to Sean Duffy. And I'll update a little bit of that also after this portion is done, after the actual interview is done. And we get into some UFOs and nuke and some, you know, underwater UFOs. You know, the normal stuff. So a lot here actually and even more with myself and Eric Burleson for this. Part two of the conversation. Really, really interesting stuff. I hope you enjoy. Sit back, relax, and I'll be back afterwards for some final thoughts and I'll look ahead on UAP. But for now, myself and Eric Burleson

right here on UAP to finish off with part two. Has there anything that's been kind of like shaking you a little bit, Eric? Because versus, let's say the Eric Burleson from 2024 to 2025. You have been a self-admitted skeptic when it comes to this topic. and other topics. You are not in a negative way, just in a way of like, you want to get to the bottom of it. You want to get, you have questions and you want to get your questions answered. Have there been things that if you had, if you got to speak to 2024, Eric, that you would tell him and be like, hey, you're not going to believe what you're going to hear like a year later? Yeah.

I mean, I would say, yeah, the conversations, there's some of the conversations and situations that I've been in are surreal. there are some in some cases it feels like I'm living a Tom Clancy novel but the but as far as real factual evidence or you know real physical material I would I have not been able to I feel like right now at this point have not been successful in coming up with anything that definitively proves non-human intelligence what when you ask the question what is shaken me I would say probably a couple of things. One is kind of a religious philosophical kind of journey through my my own faith to kind of challenge the like conventional paradigms of the Old Testament and the New Testament that I that I really never would have thought before and just kind of even if we don't

we're not being visited by non human intelligence in any way just really reading the Bible from a more scholarly perspective has been of great value for me. So the other thing that's really kind of changed me and shaking me a little bit is the multiple conversations that I've had with people who have warned about the physical negative potential ramifications. So threats to life, threats to your... your reputation, you know, whether it's a financial, they can mess with you financially. They can mess with your online presence.

Suddenly, you know, your laptop has, you know, pornography on it that's criminal, things like that, right? I've heard of those kinds of things and that's highly concerning to me and has caused me to try to take extra steps to be cautious. Wow. Yeah, that's disturbing. state at least. Have you come across anything like that or like anything weird in your life where you said, oh, like, is this someone going after me or is just something you keep an eye out for? It's something to keep an eye out for. Absolutely. You've seen it happen to other people or just kind of heard the stories or?

Yes. Yes. And a couple of stories in particular that I don't want to go into. we've submitted a request to the FBI to investigate at least one at one event. Wow. Was this to a fellow Congress member or someone who's trying to speak up? Yeah, it was someone that was in, you know, from what we were told was a part of the legacy program that is that is no longer alive. Oh, okay. Wow. Okay.

So it went that far and you guys are looking into that. Wow. there was something that you said that that kind of piqued my interest too where you said you haven't found the I guess the the hard evidence right that you're searching for when it comes to the uap subject that one thing where you can come out and say here it is this answers the question yeah what would that be for you what would be that aha moment for you where you could come out and say I think I actually believe this now and here's the proof yeah to me it's like literally being in the same room with any kind of crashed material or biological material that have been spoken about. Right. So if we have, if there are bodies that people keep saying that we have, then I want to see the bodies.

And I want to take samples of them and gather samples, have scientists, you know, look at the DNA or whatever it is that's, that they're made of and invalidate that. Like I don't, you know, and so I truly want to make sure that we have got, that there's material that we've tested and validated before I jump to a conclusion. I went down to Mexico City, was able to, you know, meet with Jaime Massan and see the Buga sphere in person. I was highly skeptical of that sphere. Now, I don't know if it's been, how much has been released. But I believe it's been released that the sphere has been dated, at least the carbon dating for some components that you could sample, that those dated back 12,000 years. Now, that's fascinating.

Because at the end of the, whenever I looked at the sphere, it looked very, very old. It either was a modern creation that was designed to look old or it was, to me, it was something that could have been, I left the door open that it was, like, maybe this was an ancient form of technology that we're just kind of unearthing today. Right. and the fact that the carbon dating came back for at least 12,000 years old is pretty surprising. The skeptic in me wants to see that, you know, a second opinion on the carbon dating. Right. Just to ensure that it truly, you know, that we have, we're dealing with accurate information. Yeah.

And I'm curious, too, when you say, you know, you want to see, of course, we want to see the bodies, right? We want to see the craft. We want to have that physical proof for ourselves to show it. Have you been offered the opportunity? I mean, given, you know, with David Grush working on your team, and he's the one who said, right, under oath, there's biologics. We have biologics. So has he come to you at all and said, hey, I would love to get you into this room to see

this? Are you being blocked from seeing it? Or is it just kind of up in the air? Well, right now, the problem that we're facing is that unless we get the White House to kind of move in our direction, we're probably not going to get access to these locations. And so I've made a request to the White House to be able to go visit some of these locations and actually see the goods. I made a request that J.D. Vance go with, that we go together.

After some of these interviews that have occurred, it's clear that he does have an appetite to look into this. He's kind of like where Trump is. It's not the top of his priority list. but but hey I'll take it I'll take any kind of interest and and and then the kind of the doors that a JD vans can open and so I've I my staff are reaching out that they're they're repeatedly requesting that we work together on this and so that's kind of where I'm at wow so it's kind of like wait and see as far as getting access yeah okay because I'm not on the committees of jurisdiction for the Department of defense or for the intelligence community. So we have to kind of work within the purview of what oversight, what authority that we have in oversight. Right. Okay. Yeah, no, certainly fair enough. Hey, guys, so before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that

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I would be remiss if I didn't get to ask you to, Eric. You know, we've gone through more hearings, of course, right, with that third one back a couple months ago. What's the goal now, of course, aside from the UAP Disclosure Act and some of the other things that we've spoken about here today, what's the goal for you now? Is it, I mean, is another hearing in 26 a priority for you guys to get more witnesses, more momentum behind this? Or is there something else that you're trying to do that would be, in your eyes, more benefits? beneficial than another hearing. Yeah. I mean, I'm not at this point, I think we've had quite a few hearings. It's not as much of a goal of mind to have, just to have a hearing, just to have one. Right now, I feel like we're at

kind of a new chapter where it's where we're, where we're saying, okay, what next? What, what can we? And so in some ways, I'm waiting for people to reach out to me. I'm waiting for new information for for new whistleblowers. And until we get people that are voluntarily going to come forward, that's where I kind of go back to, we have an effort to try to reach out to some of these people that we know at some point were at least adjacent to the legacy program. And so that's kind of the behind the scenes efforts that are occurring. Yeah.

There was something that David Grush had put out a while back that he was going to put out an op-ed. And I know some people bring it up once in a while, they say, whatever happened to the opet from David Grush. Do you have any information on that? Is that something that he still plans on trying to put out there? And if so, what's kind of the delay, just his own schedule? Well, that's an op-ed that he would do outside of my office, so we're not coordinating on that.

I don't, he can, he, whenever he came to work with me, I really gave no restrictions on his social media activity, which is highly unusual in Congress. I mean, most members of Congress, anyone that's on their staff basically can have no social media presence and cannot do any kind of interviews. Obviously, I've not been that way. I'm pretty transparent and actually have expected my staff are transparent as well. So we're not officially, we're not crafting that op-ed with David. That's something that he's doing on his own. Is he looking to get back out in front in the public or does he kind of feel like I did my stint in the public and now I'm happy behind the scenes working on this?

I think that David wants to be a part of the disclosure movement and effort and do it in a thoughtful way that keeps our true military secrets secret, but also reveals what the public deserves to know. And so he absolutely, I believe, wants to continue that process. Now, I got to ask you about this, because there is something that when I run into friends or family, and they come up to me and say, hey, you know, you got that show. What do you think about that asteroid that's coming towards us? Is that aliens?

I cannot tell you how many times I've gotten questions about 3i Atlas and what Avi Lobo has been talking about. it is the number one thing I get asked about personally in just a casual setting. So I got to ask you, I'm sure you've seen it, I'm sure you've followed it a little bit. And actually, before we spoke here, I just saw that Anna Polina Luna put out a request to acting administrator of NASA, Sean Duffy, to say, we want to know what's going on. Tell us what you know, because that hasn't happened yet. So I'm just curious to get your thoughts on what Anna's asking for and just your own personal thoughts. of following 3i Atlas and what you think might be going on there? You know, to me, I think that it's a fascinating object,

even if there's nothing about it that is, that it's being manipulated or controlled by some non-human intelligence, right? If it truly is just an object, you know, a big giant space rock, I still think that it's fascinating because it is, it's, you know, it's traveled to our solar system from somewhere else. And so that's kind of, that's very interesting. I mean, it's not part of the Orch Cloud. It means composition.

The one thing scientists seem to all agree upon is that it is not from our solar system. And so it is traveled here from somewhere else. And I think that that in and of itself is something that's pretty fascinating. and worth gathering as much information about that as possible, because the truth is that what started, you know, thank God it's not really going to hit our path. Right. It won't even come close to having an impact.

But, you know, what if there was some object that suddenly entered our solar system, and we realize that we have six months to figure out what to do with it, almost like a, it was the movie Armageddon, right? Sure. Where they, so that's the kind of thing that is, I think that we probably need to be paying attention to is that even if this is not some object that is being manipulated by some form of intelligence,

and it truly turns out to be a rock, it doesn't change the fact that we probably need to take note of this and start researching it and determine if there's something that more there that we need to be prepared for. Do you think it's weird that NASA hasn't put out their findings? I mean, I guess this might be conspiratorial, and it probably is, but I got to ask, do you think that something's being hidden there, or is it just really strictly because of the shutdown, and they're limited because of the government shutdown?

I mean, because for Annopalina Luna to put out that request to Sean Duffy, it seems like she feels like that there's something there to know, and NASA isn't really answering. I mean, so do you think there's something up there or is it just those things? Well, and I hope that Sean Duffy responds. And I know that whenever he came to speak to our Transportation Infrastructure Committee, I asked him about, you know, now that he's running NASA, can we get access or can he work with us to get private entity access to be able to evaluate whatever video records and archives that NASA has?

Because especially with artificial intelligence today, you can probably turn tens of thousands of hours of footage or more and have the AI at least look for some anomalies. And that's something that I think we should be doing. So I asked Secretary Duffy, he seemed that he would be willing to do that. So that's one of our to-do list items, at least from my team, is to follow up on that. Okay. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brook Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy-to-run email and social media campaigns. But what if you hit that wall and you get stuck somewhere? Well, no problem, because Shopify is always around to share advice with their award-winning 24-7. customer support. Tackle all those important tasks in one place, from inventory to payments,

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There's different reports of, you know, different radars and different tracking systems that are finding these undersea anomalies across the East Coast. They can't be explained. I mean, it kind of similar to what we've heard about with the drones last year and now even over Europe. I mean, there's been a lot of reports of these similar type of drones now flying over different parts of Europe, nuclear bases and airports. That's a whole different story in itself. But when we talk about these undersea anomalies, Tim Burchett has spoken about this before and saying that, you know, he believes that there could be something under the water. Where are you on that, Eric? I mean, what have you heard about anything under the water that kind of piques your interest that maybe this is an origin point?

or it's something that we just haven't been able to explore? There have been conversations that we've had behind closed doors about activity that we've picked up on sensors and that we cannot explain. All underwater. And so it is interesting. I don't have the hard evidence of anything. It's all hearsay. It's all, you know, what's being told to me. So I do think it's something that we should be looking into that we need to be, we need to improve our, we obviously need to improve our sensor technology. I believe the article that came out recently, and I posted it on my X account, the article also gives concession to the fact that these sensors can pick up things that it calls them ghosts. Well, it's kind of like in the same way artificial intelligence can hallucinate, right? And so it appears that that may be what's happening is that it's not necessarily that there truly is an object in there that that's do it.

That's underwater and performing these maneuvers. It's just it's some form of hallucination by the sensors. But it's worth evaluating. And I think that it's something that we do need to look at and try to and see exactly, we need to spend more. time on it. Somebody needs to spend more time on. Right. Like there is something there to at least investigate, right? Like this isn't a throwaway thing. Yeah. I'm curious too. You got to speak with Bob Salas a couple months back and he has of course a famous story in Malmstrom Air Force Base. The nukes get shut down. He's been speaking about it for decades and I've gotten the opportunity

thankfully to speak to him about it. Fascinating person, fascinating story. And those types of stories aren't unique to Bob Salas. What do you and some of the other members of Congress take away from stories like that when it comes to really just from a national security standpoint of our nukes being shut down? I mean, what kind of correlation do you see with that? And, you know, UFOs continuing to appear

over nuclear bases not only here, but also in Europe. There's something there, right? Yeah, there appears to be a lot of activity, you know, in and around sensitive nuclear sites. And I've also heard the conjecture, well, the reason why there's activities because people are monitoring, you know, we have so many more cameras and monitoring systems around those locations, which is why we're picking up UAP. But it does raise a lot of concerns, and I know that's what Arrow, one of their,

one of their items of concern is the activity that occurs. at these sites as well and making sure that you know kind of tracking down what these objects are. So it is something that is a priority. Interesting. I wanted to ask you this just because

it's something that I don't think you've been asked. Maybe you have. At least I haven't asked it. But what do you make of somebody like Bob Lazare? You know, I mentioned the 3A Atlas object. The other question I get the most just myself, you know, in casual conversation is, oh, what's that guy? What's his name? And I know right away who they're

talking about. I'm like Bob Lazar. And they're like, yeah, that guy. What has been your impression of Bob Lazar and his story? I've not met. I've never met him. I, you know, it's, I don't know when he's done, like his most recent interview is. It seems like it's been quite some time since he's come forward. Yeah, a long time. So, and I think that to, you know, as time goes by, your memory gets worse. So I think that, I mean, his story is very interesting and fascinating. It does, it's in many ways it's congruent with with stories that we hear today. And in some ways, it's not. I don't really have a strong opinion about Bob Lazar. That's fair. I'll get you out here on this, Eric. And I can talk to you about this stuff forever, but I appreciate you giving me all the time you have here today.

I always enjoy having these discussions here with you. What's something that you're more inclined to believe now when it comes to this topic that you didn't believe before? Like we were talking earlier about, what would 25 Eric tell 2024, Eric? What's something that kind of is at the top of your mind now where you're like, huh? Yeah, that part could actually be true. And I thought there was no chance of that. I would say the underwater activity, I thought that there's no way that that is actually, that that's true.

But I'm open to that. I don't have any evidence that this is the case. But it is something that at one point in time, I would have never even entertained that as a thought. How can people help, Eric? How can people help push this forward with what you're trying to do and know what you're working with Danny Sheehan for the UAP Disclosure Act. How can people listening and who are passionate about this help push this mission of

disclosure and the end of secrecy forward? Yeah, I think we need an issue to kind of rally behind. And I think that witness protection and the UAP Disclosure Act are the things that we need, the community to rally behind and reach out to their lawmakers. It's very easy to pick up the phone and call. You'll probably get a hold of a staffer. It's very hard to get a hold of a member of Congress on the phone. But what I would encourage people to do is reach out, ask their member if they would be willing to go to lunch.

Get involved in whatever community activities that that member is. Try to get some FaceTime where you can have that conversation and kind of let them know that this is important to them. Ask the staff. if you can schedule, you know, a just even a phone call discussion with your member of Congress. I think that, and most members will take a phone call appointment, right? So that's what I would encourage people to do, is reach out, use every kind of tool that you can to draw attention to this, to this topic, if it's something that you truly care about. Yeah, that's great. Eric Burleson, thanks so much for doing this.

Always great talking to you. and I really appreciate all the time, and hopefully we get to talk again in the future about this wide-ranging topic. Appreciate it. Sounds good, Stephen. Thanks. Just fantastic stuff again from Eric. So thank you to him for continuing to come on here. Honestly, that's one thing that I walk away from or walk away from this interview with is that not only kind of digesting what we spoke about.

And definitely some main points to hit on there, but also just it's a privilege. You know, this is something that I don't take lightly, and I want to make that known, and I think you probably know that, but I don't take this lightly. I look at this as a responsibility, quite frankly. If I am able to speak to different congressional members or speak to different heads of industry or authors or experiencers, whoever it might be that I bring on to the show here, I look at that as a responsibility to try to bring you the best knowledge and perspective and information possible. in order to pile everything up that we've spoken about over the years and make up your own mind on things. And so when we get to bring on someone like an Eric Burleson who, again, is a huge privilege to be able to do that and bring him on here to the show for the amount of times we've done it now. I think that was his fourth appearance on here, I believe. And that's amazing. So, you know, I really appreciate him doing that for continuing to come back on here. And it's my pleasure to be able to bring that to you.

And again, it's something that I don't take lightly at all. And I'm glad that I can do it. and I'm honored that I've been able to earn his trust in others who've come on the show and continue to come back. So it really does mean a lot. And it's great. So hopefully you enjoyed it. That said, some of the things that really did stand out to me, how about Eric Burleson trying to see the goods, as he puts it, with J.D. Vance. I think that's smart because he's absolutely right.

In fact, I think I've spoken about it here a couple of times, maybe in passing, about J.D. Vance's public acknowledgement that this is a topic that he is interested. rested in. So it's a little bit different, right? When you talk about what Trump has said as president where it's not really an interest for him. And you heard Eric talk about that. It's obviously it's a backburner issue for the president. Maybe that's not what we like to hear, but that is the reality. And maybe it is more than back burner behind the scenes. Who knows? But at least that's the outward appearance that Eric is noticing that I'm sure that you notice as well. But, you know, when Trump has spoken about it in the past, whether it's whatever show,

whatever interview he's done, it's not something that you can tell. It's not something that he wants to dive into. If someone's going to tell him about it, then he might find it interesting, and he's going to listen, obviously, as the president. You know, he's going to know what he needs to know. But it's different with J.D. Vance.

At least I noticed this. And I think this is what Eric was kind of alluding to. And the different interviews that people have done with J.D. Vance as the vice president, it seems like he actually has. and this has been my observation. It seems like he actually has like a keen interest in this. It's something he actually really does want to dig into and find out more about on his own time

and as the vice president and having the authority of the vice president. So that to me is a big deal. And again, I don't do politics here on the show. I'm just talking about roles of the executive branch. So don't get on me. I'm not trying to up one or the other or whatever. I don't do politics here. This is all about the conversation of, you know, UAP.

So I'm talking about the executive role here. And it's, for me, it's a big deal that you have a vice president who really does seem to be interested in this. So where does that interest take him? You know, he's talked about that he wants to look into this later on in 2026. Will that include his office speaking with Eric Burleson's office and accepting an invitation, approving a request to go check out the goods, meaning the biologics, the recoveries, that Eric cannot get access to.

And other members of Congress cannot get access to. They're trying to get in to see it. And they haven't got that approval. I mean, so you heard it right there. He's waiting on that approval from the White House. And kudos to Eric for, you know, putting it out there, for reaching out to J.D. Vance's office to say, hey, can we make this happen together?

So that would be a game changer. I know that is a term that's throwing out a lot, especially in this field. But to me, anyway, my opinion is something like that to see the vice president working with someone like Eric Burleson to go and see the goods would be a game changer. Would we find out about it? Hopefully. Maybe Eric would tell us right here on UAP. That would be nice. So I will obviously keep in contact with him and we'll definitely bring him back on in

the future, at least that would be the plan. As this conversation, this topic continues to develop because there's always something new, as we know, there's always something new developing. Oh, and just to update the NASA situation as well, because I did mention it, I want to be fair here, I did mention that when Annapolina Luna did put out her letter to Sean Duffy asking for explanations from NASA, why haven't they seen anything as far as the data was concerned for the Atlas object, when are they going to see it? She did say, she got a response. So again, this happened after my interview with Eric.

And in that response, she said that she received from Sean Duffy or at least from NASA saying that it's because of the government shutdown. And once everything is brought back up, they'll be able to give her the information that she's looking for. So now she'll be working with Jared Isaacman to, I guess, get these answers. And hopefully once the shutdown is over, whenever that might be, again, I don't do politics here, but we'll see when that happens. Hopefully we get answers from NASA and the new head.

of the head administrator of NASA and now Jared Isaacman. And maybe we get those pictures that are just kind of stored away right now. We get the data. We get any video that is just kind of sitting there as Atlas went by Mars. What was that? A few weeks ago now, about a month ago almost. And we did get some of the pictures from different apparatuses, but not from the NASA apparatus.

That was because they're saying because of the government shutdown that started on October 1st. Just as Atlas was making that approach. towards Mars where we could get a nice clear picture of it. Go figure. So obviously we covered a lot of ground there and I hope you enjoyed whichever part you find interesting about the underwater UFOs. Eric's response about that I thought was pretty intriguing. You know, he finds that to be something that's very plausible and of course I do as well. And just so many different topics that we hit on. David Grush, what are his plans and all these different things? And how about he's not really looking for any more hearings? That stood out to me as well. And I kind of

kind of thought that's where he was going to go with it. That was my feeling just from speaking with him before, even off the air, that it seemed like that wasn't something that they're going to try to do right now. And that seems like the answer. So now that doesn't mean that they may not happen, but you heard it from Eric. It doesn't really feel like it's a goal right now of the task force of Congress to have another hearing, at least in the short term, because they feel like now more. needs to happen. And so if you were hoping for more hearings, it doesn't look like we're going to get

one anytime soon, but you never know how things can change. Maybe something develops and they feel like a new hearing with new witnesses could be beneficial. That's something that we have to wait and see on. But as of right now, it sounds like it's not a goal. So we'll see how this conversation continues to develop, at least on the Washington, D.C. side of things. And of course, that side of things is just one of the many facets of this conversation. And we always try to cover all the angles here on UAP so be sure to stick around i got much more coming up next week you know i always have something up my sleeve so stick around for next week on episode number 169 let you know what's going on there be sure to follow along on social media at ua podcast 850 on

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